This F-16 Fights Mig-21s? What Is War Thunder Doing!

[@ATS_i_piss_on_G00gle]

Gaijin only thinks on how to frustrate people on reaching for their wallets.Nothing else matters for gaijin.And quite a few i...ts do exactky that,incouraging gaijin to keep this marketing strategy.

[@diprosla592]

also adding in a Rule of logic attackers not having unfair advantige by having all aspect IR missiles from 1980 facing flareles vietnam and korea era jetfighters like its now

[@diprosla592]

solution is very simple: add new max br of 15.0 and REBALANCE all planes from 6.0 up making sure Things like su 25 isnt at br where it can just snatch 2 free kils on planes from 1960... (making rule of if an aircraft has All aspect IR FOX 2, it will not be facing flareles planes on purpose to make up for it not being "Fighter jet... when it was designed to have these Missiles justfor SELF DEFENCE!!!

[@Spartans5499]

The SU-25 will change once they add the different BR for ground and Air. So it will stay at 10.0 for ground and in Air it might go to 10.7 or 11.0

[@diprosla592]

@@Spartans5499 hopefully 👍

[@gasparferrandisromero1075]

You don't mind 9L doing the same right?

[@CrispyMuffin2]

@@gasparferrandisromero1075 absolutely, the 9Ls are goofy as hell too and yes, i was a US main for about 2 years

[@diprosla592]

@@gasparferrandisromero1075 i mentioned just Su 25 as one Example... ofcourse this apllies to all atackers with similar status: A6e,a10, Amx(that new italian with 2x9L), both sea Harriers with 9Ls, then also all the suchois attack afterburning stuff, A5C also needs to get higher br... + mig21Smt+Mf needs to go Up just like F5E bcs they are in fact 21bis airframe, just withnout all aspect R60

[@SigfredBarfod]

It's very easy to balance the f16. Just give it a realistic flight performance, instead of the low speed UFO performance it has currently. That's what they did to the mig29 to the point it can't cobra anymore. - Sincerely, a sim f16 abuser.

[@charliedontsurf334]

Tell they Syrians. The first F-15 kill was on a MiG-21. We gotta be historically accurate you know! Soon, we'll be sending F-14's to fight A6M Zeros. I remember a documentary about that somewhere.

[@hemendraravi4787]

just waiting for mig21 bison

[@Silent_WT]

Don't forget that the houthis shot down a saudi f-15E with an R-27 from the ground xD

[@areyou0k98]

​@@Silent_WT I don't think that was ever confirmed

[@Silent_WT]

it was you can find it on youtube and you can see how the missile connected with the F15@@areyou0k98

[@areyou0k98]

@@Silent_WT yeah I've seen that video, hard to say anything for certain without official reports but just from the video itself it didn't seem like the plane was knocked from the sky.

[@milanvnuk]

And? Mig 21s can fight supersabres,and another 9,3. It is completly fine,russian vehicles are in range of BR when they are fighting outdated vehicles in multiple brackets. Have this opposite 1-2 times is ok.

[@norske_ow3440]

Hell mig 21s and f104, etc. can face WWII rocket planes

[@user-Xx0xxxxx]

ngl the problem isn't really the AJ's fault, the other block 10s in game are no where near like this, the issue is solely do to the matchmaker the 15J causes, the 15J is one of the best planes in the game period right now, so there's a lot of people playing it, to the point where i've had teams be 50/50 japan + US at top tier in it, due to this over abundance of japan players at that BR and basically none in the BRs below it due to it's very very poor aircraft selection, when you play in the AJ you're basically guaranteed a downtier, the issue isn't with the plane being 12.0, that fits it just fine, the issue is the entire rest of the JP tech tree just forces it to get good matches

[@HighRiskV]

Same situation with the F-16 mlu, you play against US teams mostly, and they are full of premium phantoms

[@ZeePanzer]

There is no discussion, these and the Mig 29 should ve moved to 12.3

[@yuanfurbax]

I agree and f15 to 12,7

[@dualie5466]

mans will see the Mig21Bis and be like "this is so stupid, the game is broken" >shoves all the F4s like the C and E models behind the curtain because they have to face way more advanced aircraft, and the C has to go against SU-25ks with no flares.

[@Russertlog]

at the beggining it bothered me thAT YOU DIDNTN= try a aim9l on the f14

[@wg4112]

he was obviously paying attention

[@Silent_WT]

🤨

[@stepanbartusek9726]

More like how are f4's and mig 21's fighting f15 they have twice as fast aclerelation than any other aircraft youcant even do anything in f4's. When I play F4J i imidietly die i cant do anything.

[@markveen9918]

Yea when i play my mig 21 br9.7 i face mig23 f5e and a phantoms. It is no fun anymore. Flying in such game with no flares and 10g missiles

[@Da-Real-Gigachad]

If gaijin doesn’t do some kind of br decompression i bet the game is going to loose most of the players who have played for over a year or two.

[@Silent_WT]

They don't know how to balance the game anymore...

[@Da-Real-Gigachad]

@@Silent_WTAnymore? they never knew. (not counting past like 3 years ago)

[@WHA2319]

But mig 23s wacked f5s a 10s and a 6s for a year and its alright i feel like everyone sticks to the popular vehicles and when something to challange the meta of the time happens they lose their minds

[@gamingcowboy7610]

Naw just get good I usually kill this variant in a mig 21 bis the ones I lose to are the f14s

[@atukun5666]

F-16 Fights Mig-21 huh? How about Mig-21 Fights F-86?

[@gasparferrandisromero1075]

American bias doesnt exi...

[@ursensitiveinagayway4016]

It’s sort of for air, US still gets shit on by r27Er. I grinded Russia air from rank 1 to su27 in 8 days and I love the Russian bias and that’s after completing the entire us tech tree besides a few lower ranks that I’ll never play.

[@gasparferrandisromero1075]

@@ursensitiveinagayway4016 i would not say there's a bias with Russia at all, neither with USA, im just parodying people claiming biases

[@zweigelt3606]

I think the Mig23 with R24R/ R24T can challenge all F-16A's and ADF. And the M2000C's are better then this F-16's, they have Magic 2's

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

I love flying the MIG21, i can see how it's unfair for someone that buys a premium but i've shredded many F16s in my SMT. It can hang with them quite well if you're good at the game but then again an F16 with someone really good at the game in a down tier is an absolute menace. At 9.0+ the up and down tier limit should be 0.7 instead of one whole BR, the difference in capability at top tier between 10.0 and 11.0 makes it unplayable at times

[@francogaray2649]

bro the smt us 10.3 there's no way u can face a f-16 in that thing..... maybe i mean the bis?

[@theperson5185]

@@francogaray2649the f16a and aj are 12.0

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

@@francogaray2649 I did mean Bis, it was late when i wrote this

[@williamh.372]

The mig21s that the f16 fights are more modern and also have all aspect IR missiles. Additionally the bis-sau can out turn the f16 ate varying speeds and has enough energy to fight the f16. Obviously the f16 is still superior which is why it’s 12.0 but it is for the love of god not a pimp stomp on the mig21

[@2BsWraith]

Oh and imagine how dominant a more maneuverable and capable f-16aj would be, cuz thats the F-2 and its terrorizing a local daycare near you.

[@ARI-ks1vj]

without a doubt you've lost it. 9ls are great

[@supre.4494]

aim9l does nothing but eat flares

[@ARI-ks1vj]

@@supre.4494 nah bro you crazy

[@Silent_WT]

Compared to Ms? Really?

[@peachyych3145]

@@Silent_WT anything compared to Ms is bad, but in 9Ls respective br they are good though they get eaten up by flares

[@williewilson2250]

​@@supre.4494it looks like that because people learned to flare them

[@FujisamaProductions]

Yeah this plane is wild. Was one of my first videos. Really enjoy it…even though it may not be where it belongs.

[@ashestodust2313]

"9l terrible" okay buddy

[@HighRiskV]

F-16a mopping the floor against a gripen? It's definitely the other way around

[@mateoriveros3693]

Not only the F16AJ, the F15J is in wrong BR too, with AAM3

[@spaace.938]

Give hmd then I’ll be ok with that

[@2BsWraith]

its literally the max tier rn, and there are crazier missiles than the AAM3s. Now when Japan eventually gets AAM4A/B then we should all cower in fear. The F-2 might be a hidden monster on its way.

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

@@spaace.938and being able to carry 8 AAM-3’s

[@snottytoe6957]

I am in the F4E fighting against and with mig-29s, F-14s, and F-16s. I have aim9-Js. What the fuck. Though it seems my biggest trouble ends up being the mig-23.

[@norske_ow3440]

More of them, plus the r-24r is insanely good

[@gustavofelix3433]

F16AJ and F15AJ they are ridiculous they should be 12.3 and 12.7 respectively. the f16 netz went up to 12.3 and f16 barak II up to 12 7, went up from BR for much less. That's why I'm not even going to go into the BR changes of the Mirage 2k and Mirage 4k, which are as absurd as the netz.

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

Wouldn't the F16AJ have the worst missiles at it's BR if it was at 12.3 with only 9Ls? It's flight performance is absurdly strong, but performance becomes less impactful when you're facing top tier missiles. (The other issue though is that if they gave it better missiles it might be too strong for even 12.7 so idk)

[@LordTomi2011]

@@TruthAndReconciliation Yep, and US mains would lose the "performance doesn't matter" excuse to keep their F-15A at 12.3. Sure, the F-16AJ has great performance, but only .3 br higher the F-15s also have great performance AND they have a much better kit too (9Ms and +2 Sparrows, which idk how US mains think are useless, I eat more Sparrows at tree-top levels thinking I'd be fine than any russian SARH).

[@tensor8804]

Bussian rias

[@DukeAgares538]

Either this or 104 fighting subsonics

[@Mysticmac007]

What about phantom with 60 flares facing f15 and 9M in 9 matches out of 10 😂

[@Silent_WT]

Oh yeah it's sad!

[@commanderkris93]

"BuT yOu HaVe PuLsE dOpPlEr AnD sParRoWs, I in My MiG-23 dOnT hAvE It, Us BiAs"

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

I felt the same way flying this thing. It's the most fun to fly jet imo, but so many games are either bullying downtiers or getting shit on in uptiers. I know it would never happen, but part of me wishes they'd give the AJ 9Ms (or AAM 3s) and just bump it up to 12.7 lol

[@2BsWraith]

Once the Mitsubishi F-2 drops it will be just that, but better flying, lighter, and possibly AAM4A's. Oh and a killer Radar too.

[@messoremvitae]

​​@2BsWraith The F-2 is heavier than the F16AJ, but the F-2 will be better for sustained turn fights because of the larger wingspan and stronger engines.

[@2BsWraith]

@@messoremvitae Ah yes, correct, I was comparing the f-2 to its closer counterpart, the f16c.

[@messoremvitae]

@@2BsWraith Ah fair, the full context of your comment was not fully said so i misunderstood. My bad.

[@generalming2809]

I love the content bro

[@Silent_WT]

thank you my man!

[@ayacu578]

The ki 200 fights mig 21‘s such a fair br

[@williewilson2250]

Ah yes, the worst mig21s

[@derritter3873]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@williewilson2250it’s still a supersonic plane that’s a staple of the Cold War vs a funny WW2 rocket.

[@williewilson2250]

@@derritter3873 and the is2 fights the Leo 1, what's your point?

[@derritter3873]

@@williewilson2250 my point is, a mig 21, despite being the earliest and worst variant, is still a mig 21, and the fact that it faces planes from WW2 really shows how bad the current state of BRs is. Also, why bring completely irrelevant vehicles into this? This is about planes, not tanks.

[@williewilson2250]

@@derritter3873 so you're saying the ki200 and me163 should be 7.7 or 8.0 where they'll still fight 1950's aircraft? Time period doesn't matter for shit and that's why I brought up ground, why do you think the maus is 7.7?