Never use Wire Nuts Again - Wago is Better Electrical Connector

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Silver Cymbal

Silver Cymbal

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Electrical work is hard enough & wirenuts suck. They are installed wrong, overloaded & outdated. See what a WAGO connector can do and why I love these & think you will too. If you want to learn how to make electrical work easier this is the video to see. NOT sponsored in any way.
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Are WAGOs code approved in USA? Yes, Wago connectors meet all of the NEC code requirements regarding splicing and terminating conductors.
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@SilverCymbal
@SilverCymbal 3 жыл бұрын
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@mattmclaughlin7338
@mattmclaughlin7338 3 жыл бұрын
greedy bastards bought all these
@aurktman1106
@aurktman1106 3 жыл бұрын
Unavailable.
@danlux4954
@danlux4954 3 жыл бұрын
Let’s see the inside of these things. I saw a nick in the wire, not sure if that is how it connects but that doesn’t give me confidence.
@aurktman1106
@aurktman1106 3 жыл бұрын
@@danlux4954 I bought a box of them, will let you know about the quality after they get here. I have some 110V and 220V wiring to do in the workshop.
@danlux4954
@danlux4954 3 жыл бұрын
@@aurktman1106 if you properly twist the wires together the wire nut just holds on with not much damage. Had the old marrettes that had the screw in them and because the wires weren’t twisted together they weren’t making a good connection and blowing the fuse.
@IAmKyleBrown
@IAmKyleBrown 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone who uses a pipe wrench on a wire nut should not be allowed near electrical wires.
@mauryd3444
@mauryd3444 3 жыл бұрын
Or plumbing.
@elijahbaird3950
@elijahbaird3950 3 жыл бұрын
I may be mistaken. But I believe that the comment was meant to be sarcastic. As in you can overkill any simple problem. Wago connectors are overkill for any electrical job. Just like "using a pipe wrench to tighten a wire nut" would be.
@IAmKyleBrown
@IAmKyleBrown 3 жыл бұрын
@@elijahbaird3950 it was somewhat sarcastic, but also serious. I'm not saying wago connectors are overkill, I think they are actually pretty cool and to each his own to use them. What I take issue is this guy is trying to pass on false electrical advice information to try to get someone to click on his affiliate link.
@IAmKyleBrown
@IAmKyleBrown 3 жыл бұрын
@@keithdouble1440 I hope you are neither of those!
@joecrachemontange4613
@joecrachemontange4613 3 жыл бұрын
I crank em down with the 1 inch impact gun.
@Magnum-bh5no
@Magnum-bh5no 3 жыл бұрын
Been an electrician for over 30 years and never had a problem re-using wire nuts WITHOUT cutting existing splice off, or adding another wire into the splice, I call b.s. 625 👍. 87 comments I'm a effin celebrity 🤣😂🤣
@awalden
@awalden 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Thank you!! Being a DIY homeowner for an equal amount of time, I also call BS on this! What nonsense! Wire nuts are NOT dangerous and they don't need to be cut off and they can most certainly be reused.
@BioMess
@BioMess 3 жыл бұрын
Calling B.S. Here. Wire Nuts For The Win.
@shawnshurtz9147
@shawnshurtz9147 3 жыл бұрын
I've been JW for 17 and I can't tell you how many times I've been ti a house call for something not working because some ass hat thought you needed to use a cheater pipe to put on a wire nut cut through one wire partially then let it arc to a pile of plastic.
@OGRE_HATES_NERDS
@OGRE_HATES_NERDS 3 жыл бұрын
@@shawnshurtz9147 thats so crazy why the f would someone do that lmao
@TheBrandon164
@TheBrandon164 3 жыл бұрын
I bought 1k for industrial applications. Even with exposure of water and heat they last at least 1 year
@codystewart9120
@codystewart9120 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone else just come here for the comment section? Great stuff 😂
@captain4508
@captain4508 3 жыл бұрын
Sure did. This is a joke.
@michelrea2403
@michelrea2403 3 жыл бұрын
This dude should be selling makeup 💄
@wormwoodfive398
@wormwoodfive398 3 жыл бұрын
I always use 1 hand ... other hand is only a 2nd friend
@vidard9863
@vidard9863 3 жыл бұрын
It's like watching people pretending that they don't know how to use a knife on late night tv...
@stoopidalmanac
@stoopidalmanac 3 жыл бұрын
What’s about a three way? I’m a green apprentice and know these things suck ass haha.
@7hefoxsin908
@7hefoxsin908 2 жыл бұрын
Another interesting feature about the clear plastic ones are that there’s a tiny opening at the back side you can insert meter leads into for testing
@SilverCymbal
@SilverCymbal 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. You never have to wonder if one of your wires is barely in there like wire nuts
@neplatnyudaj110
@neplatnyudaj110 2 жыл бұрын
@@SilverCymbal yaah and what about all the wirenuts previous guy installed... no, thanks.
@dllemm
@dllemm 2 жыл бұрын
You can easily put a lead under a wire nut collar to test. There is no one-fit solution, both of these have their place.
@7hefoxsin908
@7hefoxsin908 2 жыл бұрын
@@dllemm I personally don’t care which gets used, they’re both effective.
@joelinn7328
@joelinn7328 3 жыл бұрын
Never call electrical anything “idiot proof”
@AmericanBerean
@AmericanBerean 3 жыл бұрын
True words of wisdom.
@kethf4301
@kethf4301 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. When you say something is idiot proof, somebody else is saying "challenge accepted".
@geraldeh7291
@geraldeh7291 3 жыл бұрын
I have no worries (he says as he plugs in a black wire with a white wire).
@bullfrogg4119
@bullfrogg4119 3 жыл бұрын
@@geraldeh7291 That makes it go faster!
@justaoldman5419
@justaoldman5419 3 жыл бұрын
A white wire to black wire is actually written in the code for switch Loop
@GrayLensman51
@GrayLensman51 3 жыл бұрын
I was an electrician for Union Electric/Ameren Energy (St. Louis) for 35 years and problems with wire nuts were virtually non-existent., even when they were reused without cutting the wire back. This is a bullcrap video.
@JustinL614
@JustinL614 3 жыл бұрын
I've been an electrician for about 10 years. My father was for 42 years. Honestly for some reason most of the older guys tend to overdo everything and are behind on the times.. which usually wastes time and money. When I first got into the business older guys were very upset about not using galvanized conduit everywhere but it's totally overkill.
@travismcfalls8811
@travismcfalls8811 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomstdenis These new wire connectors do nothing to alleviate the problem with sloppy/lazy work. You still have to make sure they wired are seated in them properly and give them a tug to make sure.
@taylorbokshowan5713
@taylorbokshowan5713 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomstdenis it’s honestly pretty hard to fuck up a wire nut also
@RaddestDad
@RaddestDad 3 жыл бұрын
You’re old news boomer. You didn’t hear of any problems because the place burned down before the water wagon could show up with men and buckets.
@charlessansom4849
@charlessansom4849 3 жыл бұрын
Always some smart-ass kid these days to throw that “boomer” in there. Fucking grow up!
@lameassedgamecast
@lameassedgamecast 3 жыл бұрын
Moral of the story: Don't do electrical work if you have no idea what you are doing.
@sterayd
@sterayd 3 жыл бұрын
Never discourage the sense of adventure of those you don't know, most people are A holes just let the sparks flow.
@rjwiderman
@rjwiderman 3 жыл бұрын
No let them go...this will thin out the stupid.
@stroys7061
@stroys7061 3 жыл бұрын
Good safety tip.
@MMDesign1
@MMDesign1 3 жыл бұрын
@@RocafellaPlaza So how different would this video look if he just liked the product?
@lameassedgamecast
@lameassedgamecast 3 жыл бұрын
@Skylarkist Expert Your logic is flawless. Well done.
@CLipka2373
@CLipka2373 2 жыл бұрын
"Wirenuts [...] are the main way that most people connect two wires together" Um... actually, no. To my knowledge, only in the Americas has this type of wire connector ever been in widespread use. Across the pond, "Lüsterklemmen"-style connectors (sometimes translated as "screw terminals", but that's not entirely accurate) have been the most common form, in which the two wires are placed end-to-end into a small metal tube and fastened with one screw each; and multiple such connectors are encased together in a piece of insulating plastic. In the last decades, easier-to-install derivatives have become widespread, such as the WAGO connector you're demonstrating. By the way, the term "WAGO connector" is not quite accurate in this context; WAGO is a company that produces quite a lot of different connector types, possibly even wire nuts; and conversely, similar connectors are being produced by various companies over here; WAGO just seems to be the first company to successfully market this type of connector in the US.
@macdieter23558
@macdieter23558 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I am in the electrics sector in Germany for appr. 40 years now and never used wirenuts once in my life. Every professional with a little bit of pride would use the WAGO connectors, the cheaper ones would use "Luesterklemmen" (luster terminals) who are common, but it is more work and fiddling, but they are less secure. Even in the 80´s I used the WAGOs, only then there were no levers to loosen the connection, you had to shove a phase checker screwdriver into a tiny hole to open the connection. The only place I ever saw wirenuts was in some older cars where diyers had fiddled with the electric.
@Radonatos
@Radonatos 2 жыл бұрын
Just my thoughts, screw-terminals exist for decades and are pretty inexpensive. This "wago connector" is just a more expensive variation. And I've never seen wirenuts being used in anything else than a temporary hotfixing situation (or once by a colleague as a "protection cap" for wires soldered together).
@plonkster
@plonkster 2 жыл бұрын
Same in South Africa. We used those screw terminals, affectionately called "chocolate blocks", but it is now illegal to use those in junction boxes. Wago, or other variants of push in connectors are now recommended. I've only seen wire nuts once, in my grandfather's house from the 1950s, on the aluminium wiring. And even there the screw terminals were more common.
@TONHEAD7
@TONHEAD7 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to read a comment from Europe. Wirenuts can be seen quite often in old houses built in the USSR, they were widely used in the connection boxes in the condos, not inside appartments themselves
@onlineo2263
@onlineo2263 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I'm in the UK and have renovated enough houses (yes I hire in an electrician, but I always help out) and have never seen these wire nuts.
@alsnows6021
@alsnows6021 3 жыл бұрын
says you only need a single hand, while having to use both hands. lol
@garylantz3322
@garylantz3322 3 жыл бұрын
Do what I say, not what I do ;-p
@chucknorris277
@chucknorris277 3 жыл бұрын
Snowflakes
@chucknorris277
@chucknorris277 3 жыл бұрын
Do those look like working hands to you. Lmfaoo expert bahaha
@jakefloyd8035
@jakefloyd8035 3 жыл бұрын
You can use them with one hand though he's not lying
@alsnows6021
@alsnows6021 3 жыл бұрын
@@chucknorris277 Yuup, knew you had to be a 12 year old or a grown man baby.
@davoinshowerhandle3302
@davoinshowerhandle3302 3 жыл бұрын
Me using the same wirenut for 10 years
@itsmitch2162
@itsmitch2162 3 жыл бұрын
Literally changed out 2 furnaces today that were 23 years old and reused the original wire nuts, still good
@tomlee432
@tomlee432 3 жыл бұрын
Sir it's just fine to reuse a wire nut.they are not a one and done product. See my post to this guy's claims.
@danlux4954
@danlux4954 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve only had a handful of cheap wire nuts that crumbled. My 90 year old building still has the original wire nuts.
@dannycalley7777
@dannycalley7777 3 жыл бұрын
DSH...………….Put me down same thing !!!!!
@sideckerinc
@sideckerinc 3 жыл бұрын
I do construction in NYC for 30 years. Never waist old wire nuts. Always reuse it. So far so good!
@AndyDillbeck
@AndyDillbeck 3 жыл бұрын
"Wire nuts are not reusable" Say what now? Apparently I've been doing it wrong for a very long time.
@SilverCymbal
@SilverCymbal 3 жыл бұрын
Manufacturers do not recommend reusing them, with the exception of flexible spring style versions vs rigid springs. Would you know the difference, don't worry no one does since the flexible ones are a tiny % of the market and even then only designed to be resused under specific circumstances, all extremely unpractical to follow. Even if you don't buy Wagos, use new connectors at least.
@jbkibs
@jbkibs 3 жыл бұрын
@@SilverCymbal oh, well if the person who wants to sell you more of their products says you should reuse them, i guess you should listen. BAHHH BAHHH (where's the hay) ;)
@tannerbruce5434
@tannerbruce5434 3 жыл бұрын
“I don’t use wire nuts I only use wagos” “What’s a wago?” “It means he’s scared of power” “Whoa better watch out there’s 120 on that wire!”
@Syrnian
@Syrnian 3 жыл бұрын
@@SilverCymbal A physically sound wire nut can be reused with no issue.
@richhagenchicago
@richhagenchicago 3 жыл бұрын
​@@SilverCymbal I disagree with your assessment that no one knows the difference, you can see the difference in the design at a glance, but you should probably not be using wire nuts or any other connector if you do not know its ratings and you should not re-use wire nuts in general. That said I use new wire nuts for all permanent wiring, but a temporary construction light setup or other temporary low current application for my own use might get some used ones from my junk bucket for economic reasons.
@ronniekennedy9897
@ronniekennedy9897 2 жыл бұрын
These cool little things are fine for low voltage and low current applications. THEY ARE A FIRE HAZZARD for high voltage and high current!!! There isn't enough contact area for a real load!
@GrandmasFolly
@GrandmasFolly 2 жыл бұрын
I saw that very issue inside a panel earlier this year. A wago was used on a 20A small appliance kitchen circuit and completely melted the wago. That would never happen with a well twisted wire nut.
@slick-px4pq
@slick-px4pq 2 жыл бұрын
@@GrandmasFolly I tried these damn things many years ago when they first came out. Turned into a callback nightmare. The local supplier stopped selling them because of melted splices.
@GrandmasFolly
@GrandmasFolly 2 жыл бұрын
@@slick-px4pq They’re great for low voltage and I’ve never seen a problem inside of light fixtures but they should never be used for junctions. Unfortunately their use is gaining popularity in my area. Just this week I got a call to repair some exterior lighting on a medical building that was recently acquired by a property management company that I do work for. While investigating, I opened a gutter and found a couple hundred splices all using wagos. I’m sure I’ll be receiving a call to repair this in the future.
@heyitsme1534
@heyitsme1534 2 жыл бұрын
@@slick-px4pq yup! I do commercial work and we had a batch of 2x4 lights that kept failing and some even started smoking. Went there on a service call about and every connection with these failed after 6 months. My boss said never again. And our supplier stopped selling them because they kept getting complaints.
@ryankramer
@ryankramer 2 жыл бұрын
@@GrandmasFolly Something else must have also happened. These specific ones and brand have been stress tested to 60 constant amps for 15 minutes, getting the connector up to 270 degrees with no visible damage of any kind to the connector. EDIT ADD ON: Another test put a heat source 3 inches away from the connector and it withstood about a THOUSAND degrees before it melted. I have seen knock offs being sold on Amazon, so beware of those...
@jillianshoup854
@jillianshoup854 3 жыл бұрын
I've never had any probs with wire nuts. Reused plenty. You have to know how to properly use them and twist the wire.
@studdgage
@studdgage 3 жыл бұрын
Wire nuts are a pain in the ass to trouble shoot secondly wago are disconnect rated. Third the wago connectors can hold your meter for you while you push buttons. Fourth you can use them as terminal strips. My company has went straight wago we aren't allowed to use wire nuts anymore.
@kwmaris94
@kwmaris94 3 жыл бұрын
I would never use Wagus or whatever they are called!! Using them you don’t have full surface contact of the conductor where as twisting them together is more surface contact. If wires are twisted properly and then wire nut put on correctly they will unthread like a nut and bolt!!!
@JustinL614
@JustinL614 3 жыл бұрын
@@kwmaris94 They're rated. They did tests on them and the wire literally melts before the wago. You're making things up.
@kwmaris94
@kwmaris94 3 жыл бұрын
@@JustinL614 not making anything up!! Been using wire nuts for almost 40 years! Never had an issue with putting on or taking off! Not sure what you are talking about burning! That connector will burn before copper as well as a wire nut . Just by watching the video the conductor can move within the connector. Which goes back to my original point, not a 100% contact. You use what you want!
@sonsofliberty3081
@sonsofliberty3081 3 жыл бұрын
@@kwmaris94 wago is way better. They've been test by people wanting them to fail. Voltage is not a problem so contact isn't a problem. Wires do not move once they're in. When they were heat tested, the wire failed before the the wago did. You can look at it how you want, but these are far more superior than the old nuts from a heat standpoint, they're completely stupid proof, and a whole lot faster.
@mkkl1170
@mkkl1170 3 жыл бұрын
The wire nut is only as dangerous as the person installing it. Been an electrician for 25 years and have had VERY few problems with wire nuts.
@michaelangel6201
@michaelangel6201 3 жыл бұрын
Also notice how he blew pass the part in mentioning "More Expensive" also notice how he never mentioned using the proper colors of standard wire nuts is related to size and applications. All I'm saying, if you're gonna sale a product or represent a product, then talk about that product without using poor "Piss Poor" examples of what is currently 99% used, because you won't appears as credible but as cheap "Snake Oil" peddler.
@markfernandes2396
@markfernandes2396 3 жыл бұрын
@@cplcabs I agree, they also save time' and more time
@danap.235
@danap.235 3 жыл бұрын
Because electron flow occurs on the outside of the conductor there just doesn't seem to to be enough surface area contact with these splice devices with the conductor surface. Every one of these type splice devices I've removed had significant carbon build up on the conductor and the device contact point to the conductor. The splicing device has very minimal contact presence on the exterior of the conductor. I've always maintained that 5/8 inch of twist is minimum twist length to achieve sufficient surface contact to allow electron flow to under load without carbon build up. If these splicing devices came primed with some sort of carbon inhibiting grease it might work better. But I still wouldn't use them from the perspective of call backs and loss of customer confidence. Call me old fashion but electron flow is electron flow. Amen???
@marksheltonswork7848
@marksheltonswork7848 3 жыл бұрын
@@BarryPiper Remember aluminum type NM? One of the worst mistakes in electrical history.
@Trainwheel_Time
@Trainwheel_Time 3 жыл бұрын
Can't teach an old dog new tricks.
@markied2873
@markied2873 3 жыл бұрын
Never in my life have a seen such dramatic demonstrations of wire nuts.. they work just fine
@damonluvisi
@damonluvisi 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@carwashadamcooper1538
@carwashadamcooper1538 3 жыл бұрын
Not. Wire nuts are useful, but not In damp locations or when exposed to vibration. In the carwash industry, 99 out of 100 electrical problems are caused by wire nuts.
@markied2873
@markied2873 3 жыл бұрын
@@carwashadamcooper1538 ok, useful knowledge. Still doesn't take away his dramatic the demonstration is lol.
@dsloop3907
@dsloop3907 3 жыл бұрын
@@carwashadamcooper1538 They are available for damp/wet locations. Google them.
@williambritt5334
@williambritt5334 3 жыл бұрын
@@carwashadamcooper1538 problem with these the area of contact on the wire is very small. Twisting the wires together and then a wire nut is best way and they use tape to wrap everything up.
@srmofoable
@srmofoable 3 жыл бұрын
You also have to think of the universal nature of wire nuts. Basically 2 sizes will cover 99% of interior residential wire combinations. With a wago you need a different part for 2,3,4,5,,etc wire junctions or you are throwing money away. Where wago do shine and where I like to use them is inside custom equipment panels. They're great inside cnc boxes and make for a tidy setup if the DIN rail is already full
@rustusandroid
@rustusandroid 2 жыл бұрын
Plus Wago's are massively expensive compared to a single wire nut.
@fredrikfjeld1575
@fredrikfjeld1575 2 жыл бұрын
Wire nuts haven't been used here for 10 years or more. Wago all the way. You have to think about Troubleshooting or when the customer suddenly wants more stuff connected as well. We just threw out thousands of wirenuts thwt had been laying around unused
@fredrikfjeld1575
@fredrikfjeld1575 2 жыл бұрын
@@rustusandroid wago are probably 3 times as expensive, but also 3 times easier to use, 100 times easier to Troubleshoot if something is wrong and 6 times as easy to connect something new
@narmale
@narmale 2 жыл бұрын
And lights, they are blistering fast for can lights in housing
@narmale
@narmale 2 жыл бұрын
@@fredrikfjeld1575 nah, 10 times... 221 3 wire wagos here are, at the cheapest, .25 cents if you buy bulk... the absolute best wire nuts can be bulk purchased for about .017 cents... its not even close, and most places are charging 1.75 EACH for wagos.... outrageous
@poserwanabe
@poserwanabe 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen these but in decades of electrical work I've never seen a problem with a PROPERLY INSTALLED wire nut 👍
@ChristianRodriguez-ku5wk
@ChristianRodriguez-ku5wk 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think he was only talking to the pros he was talking to the regular consumer also... that’s why he was talking slow. I’ll buy
@poserwanabe
@poserwanabe 3 жыл бұрын
@@smokeskull 🤣😂😆
@aredditor4272
@aredditor4272 3 жыл бұрын
Push connectors are the preferred choice outside of the US. Wire nuts have several disadvantages over push in connectors.
@poserwanabe
@poserwanabe 3 жыл бұрын
@@aredditor4272 assuming the wire nut is properly installed, go ahead and list them...??
@aredditor4272
@aredditor4272 3 жыл бұрын
@@poserwanabe when you twist the wire, you're cold working it to make it brittle, and it should probably all be cut off for a lasting quality connection by the next guy who has to work with it. Again, it's now the top choice outside of the US, and many US firms are also switching to push. Twisted to solid under a wire nut is garbage.
@mattmclaughlin7338
@mattmclaughlin7338 3 жыл бұрын
thats your fault for cutting the wires shorter
@diegosuarez1563
@diegosuarez1563 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, was cutting off more than needed.
@AB-mx9gv
@AB-mx9gv 3 жыл бұрын
Wire nuts are just a compleatly idiotic
@mattmclaughlin7338
@mattmclaughlin7338 3 жыл бұрын
@@AB-mx9gv completed out dated, like so 1800's
@rob61aaz
@rob61aaz 3 жыл бұрын
I pig tail off going to the device so if the wire gets to short like in video just replace the piggy..
@AMD1
@AMD1 3 жыл бұрын
@@AB-mx9gv Have you ever make a connection with one?
@DarkDays4
@DarkDays4 3 жыл бұрын
If wire nuts are really that bad they wouldn't have stuck around for almost a 100 years.
@bobsagetpiss
@bobsagetpiss 3 жыл бұрын
Its not that theyre bad its the improper use of it.
@oddjobtriumph1635
@oddjobtriumph1635 3 жыл бұрын
Like Leaf springs on American cars e'h?
@bobsagetpiss
@bobsagetpiss 3 жыл бұрын
@@oddjobtriumph1635 lol
@tracer0017
@tracer0017 3 жыл бұрын
Good point Dark
@uarbor70
@uarbor70 3 жыл бұрын
Getting a good splice with a wire nut is a skill. This new device requires no such skill
@peternorman2563
@peternorman2563 2 жыл бұрын
These wirenuts are illegal here in the UK and should be banned also in the US along with the other out of date practices.
@John-e4p1x
@John-e4p1x 2 жыл бұрын
Why illegal
@SuperSpatman
@SuperSpatman 2 жыл бұрын
I was going to say that I've never seen these in the UK. We use screw in blocks, crimped connectors or solder.
@Nathaniel_Peterson
@Nathaniel_Peterson 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Not reliable at all. I've seen wires secured with wirenuts pop out several times. I'm never using them again.
@matthewlittler8387
@matthewlittler8387 3 жыл бұрын
The youtube algorithm never ceases to amaze me.
@blazinginfinity
@blazinginfinity 3 жыл бұрын
...so you mean it's working?
@4doorsmorewhors
@4doorsmorewhors 3 жыл бұрын
Loser
@4doorsmorewhors
@4doorsmorewhors 3 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain to me what would KZbin be without them showing you videos you didn't search for ? There's something like that and it's called google
@Openreality
@Openreality 3 жыл бұрын
The one thing I've been saying about the damn red and yellow wire connector things is actually true who would've thunk it?
@aceburgers8801
@aceburgers8801 3 жыл бұрын
Get over it
@okkrom
@okkrom 3 жыл бұрын
"Are you tired of burning down your house with those old wire nuts?" -Hi there I'm Billy Mays here with the brand new useless gadget for you!
@scullanbonecrusher
@scullanbonecrusher 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@james10739
@james10739 3 жыл бұрын
Ya I could see that but I think they have been widely adopted in europe and I like them they are easy but he made wire nuts look like they are not a just fine solution and in every house or building you have everything been in
@frankgonzalez24
@frankgonzalez24 3 жыл бұрын
But wait, there's more.
@momos2790
@momos2790 3 жыл бұрын
Billy May is dead...probably from fire from faulty wire nut...just sayin’
@scullanbonecrusher
@scullanbonecrusher 3 жыл бұрын
@@momos2790 maybe from a faulty wirenut installer
@ghosthunter152
@ghosthunter152 3 жыл бұрын
“With these, a single hand can make the connection”.... then proceeds with two hands and never shows one hand 😏
@sleeperknight
@sleeperknight 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. Looks like it would actually be harder than a wire nut to do one handed.
@taleoftruth
@taleoftruth 3 жыл бұрын
They actually are easier than wire nuts but usually more expensive. Awesome for working on hot wires
@DDracee
@DDracee 3 жыл бұрын
@@sleeperknight Seemed pretty obvious to me, how are you supposed to securely twist an object onto loose wires with 1 hand? The wago you can do it wire by wire with 1 hand very easily and know it's secure. Put it on the first wire, click it, then put the other wire in it, click it, repeat for however many wires.
@KitchenerLeslie2
@KitchenerLeslie2 3 жыл бұрын
@@taleoftruth if you do wagos hot with a load you will arc burn the wago ruining its integrity.
@dranik84
@dranik84 3 жыл бұрын
Lol I was about to comment this. 🤣
@Billybaum35
@Billybaum35 2 жыл бұрын
I was always taught that if it's solid wire. The wire nut should only be protecting your connection not making it
@wientz
@wientz 2 жыл бұрын
give it a little extra twist to lock it though .. its more than just a cap
@boeing757pilot
@boeing757pilot 2 жыл бұрын
That's not exactly correct. The twisted wires will form oxidation over time (increased resistance at splice) and might loosen based on expansion and contraction under load. The twist on connector addresses these problems: the conductors are placed into compression and remain so during expansion and contraction. And the square "spring" inside the connector cuts into the conductors and forms a gas tight connection, preventing oxidation at the contact points. The twist on connector is definitely part of a proper splice..
@goldwinger5434
@goldwinger5434 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I've been using wire nuts for 40 years and I never knew that they weren't reusable.
@Drewsky840
@Drewsky840 3 жыл бұрын
He's full of shit. They can absolutely be reused
@DDracee
@DDracee 3 жыл бұрын
The nut can be if need be, he was talking about the wire tips that were in the nut. They get weakened and damaged, you'll eventually break them off.
@jeffdiedrick9462
@jeffdiedrick9462 3 жыл бұрын
They are not especially after using a pipe wrench on them⚡⚡🔥🤕
@jakebergen1837
@jakebergen1837 2 жыл бұрын
@@Drewsky840 they shouldnt be reused if possible. wire nuts stretch and bulge out when tightened so will always be a looser connection when used more than once.
@jegr3398
@jegr3398 2 жыл бұрын
@@jakebergen1837 no they dont
@tidBITSofINFO
@tidBITSofINFO 3 жыл бұрын
The monkey wrench on a wire nut is like those cheesy infomercials where someone uses an ax to cut bread and can’t figure out why they can’t cut bread! 😂
@DickCheneyXX
@DickCheneyXX 3 жыл бұрын
You should be able to shave with an axe.
@a111z
@a111z 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you need to sharpen your bread axe, or swing harder.
@burnerjack01
@burnerjack01 3 жыл бұрын
"You still can't cook on a diamond..."
@HooverVilleify
@HooverVilleify 3 жыл бұрын
Wait, there's another way to cut bread?
@michaelszczys8316
@michaelszczys8316 3 жыл бұрын
" but I have four boxes of wire nuts " throw them all away, just like throwing away your box of tools for the miracle wrench
@kubectlgetpo
@kubectlgetpo 3 жыл бұрын
"They are incredibly dangerous". Completely false statement.
@incubusga
@incubusga 3 жыл бұрын
I was confused about that claim as well- I’m just a lay man handyman / home owner. I have never run into problems that I didn’t create myself.
@jordanadams6033
@jordanadams6033 3 жыл бұрын
Anything is dangerous with misproper application😂
@curiosity2314
@curiosity2314 3 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to validate your claim as just the statement alone does not help your case. Why do you believe "they are incredibly dangerous"? I have used both methods and the both perform well.
@jordanadams6033
@jordanadams6033 3 жыл бұрын
@@curiosity2314 wirenuts aren't dangerous, bad untrained electricians misproperly setting up wirenuts are dangerous. Just the same as bad untrained electricians setting up wago connecters can be dangerous. Wirenuts are in no way idiot proof. You can have too much excess wire when connecting and cause it to go through the end of the nut, people can leave excess wire exposed at the bottom, people can improperly pigtail or connect wire. Wirenuts aren't bad, bad electricians are bad
@The_Fictionist
@The_Fictionist 3 жыл бұрын
@@jordanadams6033 you’re spot on and I think that was the (albeit poorly articulated) point of this vid. In his opinion these connectors are easier to use and slightly more idiot proof. That doesn’t mean wirenuts can’t be used safely and that these connectors can’t be used improperly.
@general5104
@general5104 3 жыл бұрын
I was a journeyman electrician for over 35 years and retired a decade ago and this is the FIRST time I've EVER heard about these connectors. I'VE GOT TO FIND THESE CONNECTORS AND BUY SOME !!! THANK you for doing this video !
@lgninjalo
@lgninjalo 3 жыл бұрын
Wait until you see the quality of cordless tools we get today. I'm very grateful.
@ghostface1737
@ghostface1737 Жыл бұрын
How in the hell have you never heard of these?
@johnnieanddebbievazquez7408
@johnnieanddebbievazquez7408 7 ай бұрын
No malice intended, but that's probably why you'll remain a journeyman. Not a master is stuff like just Like these This would be something a backyard electrician. Would use because he hasn't been twisting And splicing long enough that it becomes a second nature
@Doomzdayxx
@Doomzdayxx 4 ай бұрын
@@ghostface1737 He has, he just wanted some sort of interaction with the author of this video.
@jeffdyrland2795
@jeffdyrland2795 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever I need a wire nut, I just look in the washing machine. Can’t do that with a wago!
@Teh_Random_Canadian
@Teh_Random_Canadian 3 жыл бұрын
I have a couple shoeboxes full marrettes from a decade of washing machine nuts lol
@AgentOffice
@AgentOffice 3 жыл бұрын
How do they get there
@Teh_Random_Canadian
@Teh_Random_Canadian 3 жыл бұрын
@@AgentOffice We use them pretty much everyday. A few stragglers end up in your pockets and they are so light you can't tell they are in there. That is until you do laundry and it sounds like a rock tumbler.
@hamburbers
@hamburbers 3 жыл бұрын
@Rd Ho holy shit 2 screw mc connectors and red heads just grow there sometimes.
@dubmob151
@dubmob151 3 жыл бұрын
I thought you meant you harvest them from the wiring of the washing machine 🙃
@ourtime-downhere6931
@ourtime-downhere6931 3 жыл бұрын
I've been an electrician for over 20 years, wire nuts are just fine. I've had more wagos fail than wire nuts but both cases are extremely rare. Both fail due to human error, not product error. Trying to discredit one product to sell your own is the oldest and sleaziest way to do business. Don't do electrical work if you don't know what you're doing.
@detcat312
@detcat312 3 жыл бұрын
just bought house where they did all kind of crazy stuff, electric put in to shop and used wrong wire and boxes, and then found out that they put wrong wire to trailer hook up and put a junction box with connections in them under ground the hard way the one plug stopped working. It just amazes me some times what I find when doing a flip or moving into a new house, I always call some one out to check my work over, before I close any thing up. I all make sure to pull my permits and all that. When I get called for a job and people as about permits I always tell them it has to be done, then what I hate when they say so and so said I dont need one for the job that is what is bad.
@danobelelement7828
@danobelelement7828 3 жыл бұрын
God bless you fot this comment i never had problems with wire nuts i used the same one more than once and never had and issue
@apexalaska
@apexalaska 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! There is a reason wire nuts are the standard! They work GREAT!
@tomtom7955
@tomtom7955 3 жыл бұрын
@@detcat312 depends on what the job is, honestly most of permitting is about government viggs and not safety at least in my experience. There are a lot of politics at play in that world. there is practical knowledge and theory , some of these guys want to argue about stupid shit like a curtsey loop thats never been an issue in any home I wired in 20 years , it cant be a curl it needs to be an L even though logic tell us a 90 degree pinch point is gonna make a worse hot spot which is the crux of their argument against a curl. I have tied romex in knots and ran lights and tools off of it for days to prove my point to some of these guys. I actually enjoy those county and state meetings get to watch my boss raise hell at somebody else for a change lol.
@waltersobchak7275
@waltersobchak7275 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomtom7955 you said a whole lot of nothing brother.
@olegs79
@olegs79 3 жыл бұрын
I've installed a gajillion wirenuts, haven't died yet.
@livenotonevil8279
@livenotonevil8279 3 жыл бұрын
Same, but I do wonder if I've left a ticking time bomb somewhere.
@davidsignor7931
@davidsignor7931 3 жыл бұрын
@@livenotonevil8279 don't know about you but according to this I have ticking time bombs everywhere
@livenotonevil8279
@livenotonevil8279 3 жыл бұрын
@Scott Jarry Aren't they a subsidiary of the world health organization?
@paulmaxwell8851
@paulmaxwell8851 3 жыл бұрын
Huh! That's nothing! I've installed 1.3 gajillion wire nuts. Still breathing!
@livenotonevil8279
@livenotonevil8279 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulmaxwell8851 I knew a guy who, after installing 1.3 gajillion of those seemingly harmless wirenuts, decided to twist 1 more on (yup, he just HAD to push his luck), and that was the end of him. He was electrocuted while being stung by a zillion hornets who had arrived to attack the fire ants that had suddenly been unleashed onto his body since they were oddly attracted to the sizzling flesh smell.
@nikkoBcool
@nikkoBcool 2 жыл бұрын
Also I trust a properly installed wire nut any day for pulling a heavy load vs the teensy metal strip you get inside the wego,.and believe me, they do come out sometimes, I see.wegos as a definite resistance point for 12 awg when youigbt have continuous loads and wire nuts offer near zero resistance when the wires are laid beside each other tight and twisted plus you will never ever be able to pull out a wire from a proper WN install whereas with wegos I've had them pop out quite easily with their flimsy clamp system, especially as the gauge becomes smaller
@Kommunisator
@Kommunisator 2 жыл бұрын
was that with the old style Wagos? The grey ones were very specific which diameters worked with them, and which didn't. The 221 have quite a broad range in that regard, and if you can pull the wire out, then you put too much stress on a connection that should be stress-free in the first place. After all, you wouldn't pull on a cable in a wire nut. That said, I had lights complete with their casings dangle from Wagos installed at the ceiling to the fixed cables - no problem whatsoever for them (don't do that, it was a test and it worked, but DON'T leave them like that.
@nikkoBcool
@nikkoBcool 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kommunisator they were solid, new, correct size per the box, foreman demanded we all use these wegos for a big FA job, after he worked a couple days in the field, got us wirenuts instead It's just flimsy build, the tiny little strip of metal that compresses is just not enough to create a solid bond from wire to wire and we are talking almost no load for the smoke heads and strobes granted they don't fall off when you are trying to for everything in the box. You can't compare a direct wire to wire overlay with a twist bond vs a small strip that touches a bit of each copper wire. While we still had the wegos I would actually pre twist the solid wires together about 2" length, then cut them short to 3/4" and I sent into one wego hole, that was a good install at that point.
@Kommunisator
@Kommunisator 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikkoBcool if twisted wires fit into a hole together, then you might be using too thing wire or a too large Wago clamp. The standardized household wire in Germany will fit into the Wago 221 perfectly, but not if you twist two of them together - only if you strip them from their insulation beyond the edge of the clamp (which you should NOT do).
@nikkoBcool
@nikkoBcool 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewq4b did not know that but I totally approve that.
@Kommunisator
@Kommunisator 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewq4b That only says to me that a decade old lobby seems to have won over common sense and dozens of years of problem-free installs all over Europe. Nothing more.
@drmodestoesq
@drmodestoesq 3 жыл бұрын
People are shocked when they find out I am not a very good electrician.
@MrBen527
@MrBen527 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@civildiscourse2000
@civildiscourse2000 3 жыл бұрын
Ba-dmp tish
@lizard944
@lizard944 3 жыл бұрын
@@civildiscourse2000 Ahh, I wanted to do that! LOL
@dersupra
@dersupra 3 жыл бұрын
good one
@kimberlyashcraft7841
@kimberlyashcraft7841 3 жыл бұрын
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@caseyhyland3581
@caseyhyland3581 3 жыл бұрын
I stopped caring what he said after he proved he can't measure at the beginning of the video
@brandonbeal525
@brandonbeal525 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@MarcoPolo-jg1em
@MarcoPolo-jg1em 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the samething
@ddegn
@ddegn 3 жыл бұрын
Do you mean at 0:55 ? I'm pretty sure that was just to give a rough idea of scale. I really doubt that was supposed to show he's measuring three inches. Is he wrong about VAGO connectors?
@jazar02
@jazar02 3 жыл бұрын
That reminded me of the guy on TV jamming a Q-tip in his ear.
@RipleySawzen
@RipleySawzen 3 жыл бұрын
That looks like about 3 inches of usable wire to me. Do YOU know how to measure?
@alcozerj
@alcozerj 3 жыл бұрын
This video reminds me of the 'As Seen On TV' ads! 😂
@AB-nb2ic
@AB-nb2ic 3 жыл бұрын
Was about to say the same. Absolute joke, making up problems that don't exist
@marvin3283
@marvin3283 3 жыл бұрын
One reason why the Americans are only allowed to have 110 volts in their houses😅🤔
@thespiceislife2082
@thespiceislife2082 3 жыл бұрын
Actually we have 220 volts. Primarily used by ac, electric stoves/ovens, clothes dryers & EVSE. Rest of the stuff in the house uses “110”.
@lumbtrolly6364
@lumbtrolly6364 2 жыл бұрын
Actually the 220 is just 2 110 outlets combined
@marvin3283
@marvin3283 2 жыл бұрын
@@lumbtrolly6364 wtf? please explain that to me how you get 220 volts out of two 110 volt outlets?
@lumbtrolly6364
@lumbtrolly6364 2 жыл бұрын
@@marvin3283 it's 2 110 lines that feed a 220. If you go to your breaker box it will also have a combo breaker witch is 2 110s put together
@bearlemke
@bearlemke 3 жыл бұрын
"I only have 3 inches of wire left..." well are you you going to replace that fixture or receptacle 10 more times? ...yeah didnt think so. Wire nuts win again.
@grouprocox
@grouprocox 3 жыл бұрын
@Terry Eugene yup! CEC states you should be able to remove a device without disconnecting downstream devices, pigtails ftw
@brianyoung8999
@brianyoung8999 3 жыл бұрын
@@grouprocox exactly
@MariaMaria-dw1sn
@MariaMaria-dw1sn 3 жыл бұрын
Precisely! How about having to squeeze in a LV dimmer with those connectors or the biggest home owner mess, a five gang box LV switches. I suppose the neutrals will still need a wire nut anyway. Back to Home Depot!
@the_kingdom
@the_kingdom 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing! How many times do you need to replace it - once - if you're lucky in a lifetime.
@asakayosapro
@asakayosapro 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh, if you have a receptacle failing that often, the wire and wire nuts should be the least of your problems...
@flexedout6650
@flexedout6650 3 жыл бұрын
First of all, if you’re changing out switches or receptacles that often, you have a bigger problem. Not to mention devices don’t connect via wire nut, they have terminal screws. Once a tap is made, majority of the time it’s going to stay just like it is until then building is demolished. Secondly, not reusable??? Okay fine, sometimes they just won’t bite again, but a new one will without any problems. We all love quick connects but just twist your conductors and put a wire nut on it. And third, if it’s done right and up to code, there won’t be any issues whatsoever. Electricians don’t just walk out after finishing a job and tell the owner “hey good luck, be careful when you flip that breaker on.” It all gets tested after being installed and once power is turned on. More likely than not, if something over heats and causes a fire. It’s either a faulty device, or some shoty diy.
@petermcguine8639
@petermcguine8639 3 жыл бұрын
I use pig taild for recepticals, so in that instance I would use a wire nut. But wagos are really annoying when you're tying in a 3 or 4 gang box bc nobody makes a wago that holds 10 ground wires. But I am hardcore team wire nut
@chrisjacobsen1659
@chrisjacobsen1659 3 жыл бұрын
@@petermcguine8639 Don't the pigtails go into the screw terminals on the switch or receptacle? That's the point. Don't replace the pigtails...
@petermcguine8639
@petermcguine8639 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisjacobsen1659 feed in and feed out go to a pigtail. The pig tail goes to the terminals. Makes its so you don't have to backstab 2 sets of 2 wire onto a single receptical in the instance of having to replace one
@BillLaBrie
@BillLaBrie 3 жыл бұрын
I change mine out at regular 50-year intervals.
@45Deere9500
@45Deere9500 3 жыл бұрын
Unless you’re living to well past 100, that means you’ll maybe change our devices two times in any one house, if you change them when you move in, and once more in 50 years.
@mikiemojo
@mikiemojo 3 жыл бұрын
The NEC seems to think they're perfectly fine. I've never had them fail, but then, I actually know how to use them. But seriously,,,,,,,,, the purple gloves.......
@MichaelClark-uw7ex
@MichaelClark-uw7ex 3 жыл бұрын
Installed properly wirenuts are the best method after solder.
@maxximumb
@maxximumb 3 жыл бұрын
We don't have wire nuts in the UK, or they aren't widely used. I think it's because we have 240v which can be a bit more dangerous than the 110v in the US. There was also an attempt to market ceramic wire nuts in the 1970s, but they were very poor quality and the ceramic cracked off leaving exposed metal. The Wago connectors are so much easier to use than the UK screw fastened terminal blocks. I'll agree they are not the cheapest, but when you calculate the time saved installing them as £s/hour compared to working with the tiny screws on a terminal block, they pay for themselves there and then.
@dougjones2296
@dougjones2296 3 жыл бұрын
Been in the heating and air business for decades. And I have seen technicians wear gloves, I think it's so they dont get shocked
@vladimirpolak5203
@vladimirpolak5203 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxximumb well we as electricians in canada, often in commercial applications above 240 like 277 and 347 and still use wirenuts without problems if properly installed.
@vladimirpolak5203
@vladimirpolak5203 3 жыл бұрын
@@dougjones2296 nope those are latex gloves, and you will def get shocked
@ZenHulk
@ZenHulk 2 жыл бұрын
In Utah, when we remodeled our house down to the studs in 2016 and used Wago connectors, the building inspector SAID NOPE, redo it, been an electrical engineer since 1989 mostly in the military and we used them for years, but Utah said no. Have a drawer full of these now.
@dansanger5340
@dansanger5340 10 ай бұрын
Should have appealed.
@OtisFlint
@OtisFlint 5 ай бұрын
Your inspector was a moron. Would have made him show me where in the code it says they can't be used and watched him bumble nonsense lol
@superdad2150
@superdad2150 3 жыл бұрын
I can tell you with absolute certainty that is never going to happen there was Wago type lock will never be used by career electricians too expensive too much of a pain in the ass to use I will never use them as amongst career electricians wagos are "fire starters" just as those are they are not good for carrying a load the only use they have is sin for light lighting circuits and that's about it other than that they're junk
@ryanhoward9823
@ryanhoward9823 3 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with you! I have been a licensed electrician for 15 years and only used wago style connectors for light fixture connections at the fixture. They don't provide enough surface area for sufficient current flow. I
@SilverCymbal
@SilverCymbal 3 жыл бұрын
Search burned wire nuts=1000 of results Search burned Wagos=None
@ryanhoward9823
@ryanhoward9823 3 жыл бұрын
I bet there are 1000s of issues with wire nuts, every light fixture sold at the big box stores comes with wire nuts. So there going to be more issues with them. That is also why the instructions on those fixtures say to consult a licensed electrician before installation. With wagos being less popular there are going to be less known issues. I completely agree that there are good uses for wagos. I think they can be used in light fixtures, with most new fixtures being led with a low current draw.
@SilverCymbal
@SilverCymbal 3 жыл бұрын
@Billy Mack, Texas Detective I bought three packages of connectors from Amazon at full price and researched the topic extensively along with 30 years of hands on knowledge. Check it out, reach out to them, I don't know them and they don't know me. Like all my videos what I show is the real deal and I show you how to and products that work. Buy them, if you hate them come back and tell me and return them. You won't send them back.
@jbortega1178
@jbortega1178 3 жыл бұрын
I never cut my wires when i could just untwist em...wth
@tomwelshshore
@tomwelshshore 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah if you dont leave a foot of wire what happens when he replaces an outlet 100 times
@Thunder978
@Thunder978 3 жыл бұрын
I wrap wires with aluminum foil or steel wool, then smash everything back into the box with a broken broomstick. I then check my work by spraying a bit of carb cleaner in the box and flip the circuit back on. No boom = Master Electrician. (For all the Neanderthals out there of course I’m kidding.)
@brianyoung8999
@brianyoung8999 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thunder978 sarcasm level 1000
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks
@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks 3 жыл бұрын
Makes more sense, but of course, people are going to be "oh my god your doing it wrong." your right in certain respects, if you want a perfect undamaged lead to be the most perfect little solder you can be, sure. but if you don't care, know whatever connection you are going to be making is going to be limited far below what would even cause an issue, your most likely fine just reconnecting the wires with existing wire nuts and not caring. This works if you are I don't know installing new light fixtures with LEDs that max out at 10-20 watts. if you are rewiring an entire house, it's probably better to go in an replace all the wires anyway, because chances are it's going to be wired in a way that makes no sense from a floor plan perspective. and when you replace all the wires, you might as well use proper connection techniques that are far more secure and far more reliable like soldering or wago connectors and other junction blocks and such. makes it far easier to manage cables too..
@Thunder978
@Thunder978 3 жыл бұрын
@@tellsitasitis Hell no. Double-Sided tape with staples and penny nails sprinkled all over it.
@RanDom-pl7fx
@RanDom-pl7fx 3 жыл бұрын
Germans be like, wirenuts? what are you, a dinosaur?
@xsardas1999
@xsardas1999 3 жыл бұрын
Not only Germans, probably whole EU. Greetings from Poland ;)
@xsardas1999
@xsardas1999 3 жыл бұрын
@@luukasviljanen8774 becouse they are simply bad. I have used once on LED lamps imported from USA after bearly touching it fell of the wires...
@TwoTall1988
@TwoTall1988 3 жыл бұрын
@@xsardas1999 then you did it wrong lol. They definitely aren't good, but they are pretty easy to make secure.
@xsardas1999
@xsardas1999 3 жыл бұрын
@@TwoTall1988 I didnt install them, they comed with the part. I threw them away and have instaleed wago on their place becouse LED wasnt working.
@jcpoiuy
@jcpoiuy 3 жыл бұрын
@@luukasviljanen8774 What do they use?
@killsalltires156
@killsalltires156 3 жыл бұрын
Lucky my Klein plyers allow me to redo a splice without cutting the wires. This is good for do it yourself or for lighting, but box splices should aways be spliced proper for 100 years of no issue! Signs of melted marrets are a sigh of overloaded wire and not a bad splice. I am a master electrical contractor of 29 years.
@Check7his
@Check7his 3 жыл бұрын
Yea wire nuts are the way to go. Expansion and contraction of the wire will cause loose connections in wagos.
@happyfamily7035
@happyfamily7035 3 жыл бұрын
There is so much misinformation in this video. It gave me a headache.
@JorgeAMG187
@JorgeAMG187 3 жыл бұрын
Wire Nuts is literally Stone Age Technology and so unsafe if used Wrong. Nothing can beat Wago and the argument that Wires get loose is just bullshit.
@Check7his
@Check7his 3 жыл бұрын
@@JorgeAMG187 I can pull wires out of wagos. I can't pull wires out of wire nuts. And yea heating and contraction of copper over time cause by load changes over time can cause a loose connection in a wago.
@JorgeAMG187
@JorgeAMG187 3 жыл бұрын
@@Check7hisWith enough Force i can Pull a wire out of a Wire Nut aswell. Thats not a Argument. It takes 10kg of force to push a wire out of the Wago which is alot
@tylerbonser7686
@tylerbonser7686 3 жыл бұрын
I use scotch tape for all my connections. Have only had a few house fires.
@michaelgonzalez2533
@michaelgonzalez2533 3 жыл бұрын
See should have used duct tape.
@pyrotech7210
@pyrotech7210 3 жыл бұрын
ROFLMAO
@swdbamboo
@swdbamboo 3 жыл бұрын
LOL
@kaimcloughlin8981
@kaimcloughlin8981 3 жыл бұрын
We don't use toothpaste lids for connectors in europe 😋
@SilverCymbal
@SilverCymbal 3 жыл бұрын
This one was very funny!
@patrickcleary1246
@patrickcleary1246 3 жыл бұрын
This guy doesn’t know what he is talking about.
@norbertfleck812
@norbertfleck812 3 жыл бұрын
I guess you never tried the WAGO or PHOENIX connectors.
@jetknight7562
@jetknight7562 3 жыл бұрын
Might be a Sale person try to sell a product..
@norbertfleck812
@norbertfleck812 3 жыл бұрын
@@jetknight7562 No he just tried the contemporary European standards in comparison to outdated US products.
@philprice5712
@philprice5712 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know your experience or craftsmanship level however these connectors that you are so fond of do not hold up well in hot environments such as can lights or above drop ceilings. Also, like the spring tension connectors on receptacles over time they fail causing overheating. This is why do-it-yourselfers and handymen should not do electrical work.
@igotafastcar
@igotafastcar 3 жыл бұрын
Just watch a test.
@LinkinParkVsDB
@LinkinParkVsDB 3 жыл бұрын
These Connectors are durable as Hell. In Germany, we used them for about the last 10 Years here. We used them In Walk in Coolers at -21 degrees Celsius (33.8 °F), in Lamps which are pretty hot, in the direct Sunlight. Basically everywhere and i´m in this Trade for the last 20Years and not one oft the Wago´s did brake or get loose on me. Preety Cool stuff.
@blazellin7626
@blazellin7626 3 жыл бұрын
This man is a salesman. Wirenuts work fine. I’m an electrician of 18 years
@samuelswettenham161
@samuelswettenham161 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, dumb product. Have fun trying to fit these things behind GFCI outlets, get yourself another box to stick in your bag to organize the 5 different sized connectors you gotta constantly restock. Also I highly doubt their efficacy on stranded wire. I'll stick with my tans thank you very much.
@FrannyWard
@FrannyWard 3 жыл бұрын
41 years here and yes, Wire Nuts work fine. I do have some Ideal brand connectors like these. Prefer the Wire Nuts and twist my wires first.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade 3 жыл бұрын
@@FrannyWard I'm curious why folks don't think they need to twist the wires first. I'm personally far more worried about stress fractures in the wires from bending the wires to fit them in the box than getting a good secure connection with a wire nut. I don't think I've ever had a problem with it.
@FrannyWard
@FrannyWard 3 жыл бұрын
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Well I was taught that way in 1979. And today at 59 years old and having my own business off and on for thirty, I don't trust the wire nuts alone. Besides, on some jobs I come across in offices, I have to change out a device and when removing the old receptacle, if the pig tail wires for it that go to the feed in and out are twisted, I can remove the nut without breaking the circuit. If the wire nut was just put on without a real twist, I could lose either the hot or neutral on the whole circuit, pissing off a lot of people who's desktop computers just shut down. I can twist up to four conductors with a pair of nines and trim to fit a wire nut blindfolded. But, hey. If these new fangled connectors do the job and are cost effective and UL listed? I'm all for them.
@TripleAstyle1
@TripleAstyle1 3 жыл бұрын
@@FrannyWard they are not cost effective
@bradrichards8122
@bradrichards8122 3 жыл бұрын
A: No competent electricians cut off wire nut connections B: 'Bite marks' are not an issue C: Reusing wirenuts is common and fine D: 5 times the cost per unit and double the install time is not going to happen E: Wagos ARE good if you often disconnect and reconnect something. Thats about it.
@yukin1990
@yukin1990 3 жыл бұрын
In former British colony Hong Kong we are using electrical connector that uses screw to secured the wiring........ That is why I feel wire nut is not secured enough for me.......
@brendanwood1540
@brendanwood1540 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't hire you.
@brendanwood1540
@brendanwood1540 3 жыл бұрын
Look up the legal definition of competent.
@brendanwood1540
@brendanwood1540 3 жыл бұрын
The unit price is roughly twice the cost; not 5 times. I would gladly pay the one time price to hire a competent contractor and spend an extra $10 for safety. Since 200 units is likely enough for the whole house; I would not bet on the cheap guy who cuts corners to save $10 on a one time cost. Any competent electrician would know that you do need to cut and strip an old connection due to oxidation of the metal and work hardening. Likewise, they would understand the importance of insulating wire connections securely, and why it is important to minimize resistance in those connections; because a competent person would understand how dangerous fire is and how quickly it kills thousands of people every year in their sleep.
@bradrichards8122
@bradrichards8122 3 жыл бұрын
@@brendanwood1540 How many wire connections do you think $10 in Wagos will make? Yeah. Not a lot. And 200 isn't even a 3rd enough unless you have a small house. Pigtailing outlets alone is 3 per. Wirenuts are about 5 cents each and Wagos are about 20 cents each so yeah, 5 times as much is slightly exaggerated. Customers with unqualified sanctimony are given enormous bids given the difficulty they inevitably add. Youre right, you wouldn't hire me.
@old-patriot4509
@old-patriot4509 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting... but, No Thanks! Saving time has never been the right reason to do something, especially when it comes to electricity! Case in point: I NEVER make up an outlet or switch using the holes you stick a wire into. I ALWAYS use the available screw connections!!! Why? Because a little metal tab contacting a tiny fraction of a wire's diameter cannot carry the same current that a wire wrapped around a screw can carry. Plain and simple. I don't care how much time I can save wiring my house if I use the poke-in connections. I care more about burning it down when a quick connection is incapable of carrying the 15 or 20 amps of current my wife's hairdryer draws. The bottom line is: If you don't know how to properly use a wire nut, you have no business wiring anything! Hire a professional. As a disclaimer - I am NOT a professional, but I have wired several houses and passed electrical inspections with flying colors every time.
@norbertfleck812
@norbertfleck812 3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronbrown7218 Wirenuts are prohibited in Germany for safety reasons and screw connectors get loose over time (I just replaced some which were heavily burnt). The WAGO connectors don't heat up because they don't get loose.
@proislam1447
@proislam1447 3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronbrown7218 Hahaha, a true idiot recommending bullshit. The contrary is correct: A screw with a nut without a spring lever or glue gets loose. Vibration and temperatur/current change loses the wire nuts, but not the WAGO.
@dimension85
@dimension85 3 жыл бұрын
Copper contracts and expands under load which will eventually loosen the contact point to the conductor. Wagos are fast and easy but a proper wire nut connection is a much more solid compression connection.
@ClosestNearUtopia
@ClosestNearUtopia 3 жыл бұрын
They are spring loaded and will compensate for that, the plastic itself will detoriate over time and then the housing pops open due to the springload.. then you have a real problem goin on. Noticed or unnoticed.
@Birdman_in_CLE
@Birdman_in_CLE 2 жыл бұрын
Wago made their name with, and have been used in, industrial applications, for several decades. They are used in household systems in Europe for the past 15 that I am aware of. This style is no more or less prone to failure than any other.
@montanawhite5699
@montanawhite5699 3 жыл бұрын
This is stupid. Obviously a paid promotion from a guy who doesn’t know how to properly wire a outlet. Who needs to change it all the time? You do it once.
@SilverCymbal
@SilverCymbal 3 жыл бұрын
Call them up, put it to the test, post it on their Facebook to see if they know me? The answer is no, if you ask them they can't lie and neither do I. The product is unique and amazing, don't buy it if you don't want to. Someday you will use one and be like....holy sh*t Come back to this video and let me know. amzn.to/3sMbl9E
@jenniferwhitewolf3784
@jenniferwhitewolf3784 3 жыл бұрын
I love how he cuts 2" off illustrating the trim loss with each modification. Last 300 or 600 times I changed an outlet or switch, I used the screw lugs on the outlet or switch, not opened up wire nuts. A solution for which no problem exists.
@AnUnapologeticApologist
@AnUnapologeticApologist 3 жыл бұрын
If you've changed 300-600 receptacles but never had to strip wire, that's very concerning. Please tell me you're not wiring burnt wires to new receptacles? Receptacles have a tendency to burn up wire over years of use depending on the load drawn. Vacuum cleaners, for example, have a tendency to burn up receptacle wires because they draw high amperage on start and pull a lot of power in general. If you're never touching connectors then this video is not for you. I'm in commercial refrigeration, I'm constantly cutting wires and reconfiguring electrical. Wagos are all I use.
@MisterMosfet
@MisterMosfet 3 жыл бұрын
Is it actually legal to use these on mains wiring where you guys are from? Seems very dangerous as a lot of other countries have outright banned the use of any friction-fit terminators.
@AnUnapologeticApologist
@AnUnapologeticApologist 3 жыл бұрын
@@MisterMosfet what do you mean by "mains"? Are you referring to supply from a breaker? These connectors can house up to 12awg maybe 10, but that'd be max for wire size. They're rated for 32 amps and 600 volts, but can handle over 100amps and stay cool, with the insulation of the wire burning off before the connector burns up. You'd never put them on anything that high amperage anyway though because the wire would never fit. I use them for control wiring, adding components to circuits, any low voltage application (120v, 208 single phase, 3phase 208). They're amazing for troubleshooting equipment because you can splice a wire and tie your meter lead into a 3 bay to monitor voltage. The have a ton of uses. I've seen people connect wire nuts poorly causing them to get burned up. Can't really do that with these, they're idiot proof. On R290 refrigeration systems it is illegal to put anything other than wagos on wires because wagos are anti-arc.
@awalden
@awalden 3 жыл бұрын
I know!! Isn't that ridiculous?? Totally absurd! And the comments here from the "defenders" and "fans" are comical!
@n8r8ts41
@n8r8ts41 3 жыл бұрын
@@AnUnapologeticApologist vacuum cleaners do not burn up receptacles unless the vacuum is messed up. Receptacles, conductors and overcurrent protection devices are all specd to perform at a specific amperage, so the only burning that can happen will be due to loose terminations raising the current, or bad motor in the vacuum drawing an overcurrent.
@JohnComeOnMan
@JohnComeOnMan 3 жыл бұрын
Typically, you don't need to undo the wire nuts when you're changing light switches.
@thefuturegamer9451
@thefuturegamer9451 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you do when your replacing a switch in a house that was built around 2000 in the United States, I’ve noticed that in 20 year old houses, they have a ground in the box but didn’t connect it to the switch
@djwillx2tnb819
@djwillx2tnb819 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefuturegamer9451 replacing switches in my house right now currently actually and that’s what is needing to happen, also you do if you are adding smart switches in as well.
@muskokamike127
@muskokamike127 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefuturegamer9451 In reality, the ground is connected to the box and the box is connected to the switch so it is grounded. BUT still, you could attach a length of wire to the box's grounding screw and then the switch....
@NikoBellaKhouf2
@NikoBellaKhouf2 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefuturegamer9451 my house was built in 1997 and the wiring is acting crazy. Lights flicker fast, lights that are turned on, turn off for several minutes and back on, etc.
@jcagy2
@jcagy2 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefuturegamer9451 No need to ground a switch!
@luispenalozaambriz3254
@luispenalozaambriz3254 2 жыл бұрын
If the argument is that you have to cut it every time you swap out a switch or outlet then you are doing it wrong. Most electricians will leave a pig tail and you will only cut that one wire to replace either electrical device mentioned. Also switches (not dimmers) are usually just tightened at the screws you do not need to cut anything when swapping out switches. Also how often do you really swap out a switch or outlet? They last 10+ years. You might own your house for decades without having to replace a switch. Also to replace the pig tail mentioned is very simple and you only really need to cut 1/4 of the wire, untwist the lead wires and add your pig tail back in. With a little bit of practice you can do this within in a few minutes. This just an ad.
@wingitwonders1225
@wingitwonders1225 3 жыл бұрын
So wire nuts have been being used since the early 1900s and it isn't until now that they are "bad connections"... If there is a better device, fantastic, I'm in, but don't demonize what's been working only to sell a new connector...
@SilverCymbal
@SilverCymbal 3 жыл бұрын
I am not selling you anything except offering you a better life, in a small way. Buy them, use them, if you hate them return them & you lose nothing, come back here and tell me I was wrong. I don't think that will happen. I show only products I own, use and love and know what works and what's crap. This is a winner every day.
@jcgw2
@jcgw2 3 жыл бұрын
Nuts are terrible in comparison. Specially if you’re testing connections. After you use one of this lever ones you won’t go back. It’s like sleeping in some straw vs a real mattress,
@JustHazardous
@JustHazardous 3 жыл бұрын
@@SilverCymbal Are you an electrician? or a band major drumming up interest in semi-useful items? Wagos are OK for some applications. Wire nuts are better for many appllications.
@SilverCymbal
@SilverCymbal 3 жыл бұрын
@@JustHazardous Electricians don't like change. They hated LED lights, smart technologies, and the list goes on but they all eventually made it. So you can insult me all you want, wouldn't it much easier to just buy a pack and prove me wrong? Read the comments from people USING these. All feel the same. Not wanna be Wago connectors, or backstabbed outlets, I get it other crap products exist These aren't. I could be rich making cell phone and digital camera videos instead I make videos about real projects and real things that work.
@bbui1990
@bbui1990 3 жыл бұрын
@@SilverCymbal over time your wago copper compression with the lever will fail under multiple load demands ie a switch going on and off. You will change those before a wire nut.
@Sawdust45205
@Sawdust45205 3 жыл бұрын
Been wiring for over 35 years the only problem I’ve had with wire nuts is having to buy the purple ones lol
@ProctorsGamble
@ProctorsGamble 3 жыл бұрын
I’m an electrician with 40 years in service. WAGO is a German brand. In Europe voltage is 220 volts to ground. These work great there but with our lower 115volts l am concerned with the limited contact surface area of these. That’s the reason I never once used “quick wire” devices in my career! I only use these for connection of fixtures and only if they come with the fixture because they save my precious Wingnuts for more important jobs lol.
@elbuggo
@elbuggo 3 жыл бұрын
@@ProctorsGamble What's the problem with the limited contact surface area? They are all identical. If it works for 1 (after extensiv testing) why shouldn't it work for the rest of them too? What specific problems have you found due to this the limited contact surface area? Why not solder the connection after twisting it with a pipe wrench, and then add a double wire nut for insulation? That would give you the best contact surface area, but do you rally need it?
@The_Conqueeftador
@The_Conqueeftador 3 жыл бұрын
@@elbuggo I can't tell if you are joking or are one of those paid bots with broken english. A pipe wrench?
@elbuggo
@elbuggo 3 жыл бұрын
@@The_Conqueeftador I added a question mark there - try again!
@angusmacgregor7217
@angusmacgregor7217 3 жыл бұрын
@@elbuggo Surface area has everything to do with it! Try pulling 200 amps through a piece of #18 gauge bell wire and ask that surface area question again!
@68camaro18
@68camaro18 2 жыл бұрын
I am a retired electrician and this is a highly skilled trade. Wagos are ok when installing them in a low current pass through device I.e. strip fixtures. If you use them in a junction box or device box that has higher current demands like kitchen counter tops as well as entertainment center receptacles, or commercial and industrial projects and the list goes on. WAGOS WILL melt down! They were the best thing since sliced bread at my large union shop until the problem with the melting down of the wago and the insulation on the conductors. I repaired many issues from these things. We went with the tried and true wire nuts!
@jimster1111
@jimster1111 2 жыл бұрын
can confirm. as a resi electrician we only use these for recess cans only because most recess cans come with them pre installed. videos like this keep me in business tho when some DIY homeowner tries to use these when wiring 20a receptacle circuits
@MichaeljRichter
@MichaeljRichter 2 жыл бұрын
I use the Wago's regularly in industrial wiring panels at 20 amps and never had an issue. Now, on the other hand, the knockoffs sold on the online flea market sites such as Amazon and EBay are a completely different product and many struggle at 5 amps or less.
@b.powell622
@b.powell622 3 жыл бұрын
I found that they are ok, but after talking with a few electricians, the wagon connector has only a point contact, used properly, wire nuts, aka, 'scotch locks ' offer a more mechanical surface contact.
@JustinL614
@JustinL614 3 жыл бұрын
I'm an electrician. As long as they are rated they perform the same as wirenuts. Electricians tend to be overly picky about weird details that don't matter.
@GnomesBeCool
@GnomesBeCool 3 жыл бұрын
@@JustinL614 agreed lol
@RaddestDad
@RaddestDad 3 жыл бұрын
A lever lock will always continuously apply pressure unlike a wirenut.
@helidude3502
@helidude3502 3 жыл бұрын
Tom They got a link?
@kevinsartin6059
@kevinsartin6059 3 жыл бұрын
Those wire nuts are not rated for motor connections, the wago connectors we use at work are rated for motor connections to 600v.
@ds29912
@ds29912 3 жыл бұрын
So basically another more expensive way to connect wires.
@robscheuerer1
@robscheuerer1 3 жыл бұрын
Nailed it
@RedfishInc
@RedfishInc 3 жыл бұрын
Only about 25 cents each for a 2 connection wago. Not too bad. They are about 75 cents each for a 3 connection model. A bit pricey but still reasonably cheap for the diy guy.
@RaddestDad
@RaddestDad 3 жыл бұрын
It’s quicker and easier than a regular wirenut. Plus branch isolation is easier, less down time + less labor = more money in the pocket.
@TripleAstyle1
@TripleAstyle1 3 жыл бұрын
@@RedfishInc but not for the professional, nor new construction .....
@arkuhl
@arkuhl 3 жыл бұрын
Been a electrician for 35 years any good electrician will twist wires together ,that the mechanical connection wire nut is for covering not to handle amperage so you are just peddling this crap and any electrician knows it
@RTRALLDAY
@RTRALLDAY 2 жыл бұрын
Found out about Wagos when I got hired on where I am now. We use em strictly in an industrial maintenance setting. I love em. They also make em to fit size 10 wire. What we do is put the line side under the left lever, L to L. Just in case you can’t turn that circuit off, just pop out the right wire and it won’t be energized, and the other machines can keep going
@AnythingOutdoorswithSteve
@AnythingOutdoorswithSteve 3 жыл бұрын
They are great for lighting loads, but 20 amp receps, I still twist and nut. Wego has a flat bar connection point, not ideal for heavy loads.
@nikoh4591
@nikoh4591 3 жыл бұрын
Wago released few years back connectors for thick wires, up to 10AWG/6mm². Rated for 42A. Even the normal ones are rated for 35A. In Finland use nothing but Wagos (or similar off-brand ones), I love them. Easy to install, easy to change If needed. Oh yea also, wire nuts are basically banned here.
@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney
@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney 3 жыл бұрын
As an IBEW journeyman inside wireman, I’ve used about a billion wire nuts and seen VERY few failures. I reuse them constantly, as does every other electrician in the world. You can absolutely connect stranded and solid wire with wire nuts. Wagos fail all the time, too many parts (potential points of failure) for something that cheap. They’re pretty good for low voltage, low current applications like inside LED light fixtures and such, but wire nuts totally kick their ass in every conceivable way for general use.
@JustinL614
@JustinL614 3 жыл бұрын
You've never had the spring pop out of a wirenut? The wago is just basically a tension clip. It is more than likely the people installing them were doing it incorrectly, which of course is a problem because a product should be easy to use by alot of people.
@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney
@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney 3 жыл бұрын
@@JustinL614 I have, and when it does it’s obvious and happens right there before your eyes where you can fix it. Wagos rattle apart with vibration and such. With a wrap of 33 around the base of a wirenut, they’re good enough for motor leads or anything. One thing I’ll give Wagos, they usually don’t cause fires when they fail. They just stop the connected equipment from working. Not exactly acceptable in powerhouses, chemical plants, hospitals, etc. where I work. A PROPERLY INSTALLED (most aren’t) wirenut will last 30 years or more with absolutely no issues whatsoever.
@kalpierson9728
@kalpierson9728 3 жыл бұрын
I've been doin this for 21 years I would rather use wire nutts over wagos every time
@MrHBSoftware
@MrHBSoftware 3 жыл бұрын
you and every other trained electrician...wagos are for kids
@chrisalmere20
@chrisalmere20 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrHBSoftware kinda weird arguement, "wagos are for kids". why not make your job easyer? or maybe you respond better to this, make your job easyer, spend less time per job, do more jobs, get more money! or, make your job easyer, spend less time per job, make same amount of money with fewer hours worked, spend more time with your kids.
@MrHBSoftware
@MrHBSoftware 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisalmere20 use cheaper wingnuts, make more reliable connections have less recalls, make more money, spend more time with your kids
@stevelamperta865
@stevelamperta865 2 жыл бұрын
Im sticking with wire nuts ! never had a problem with them and these new things are 4 times the cost.
@norwegiannationalist7678
@norwegiannationalist7678 2 жыл бұрын
LOL! Wagos are not very exspensive and are used everywhere in the world exept usa & canada They make alot better of a connection and they can handle more amps.
@adamdavis2788
@adamdavis2788 2 жыл бұрын
4 times the cost and about 50x better I’ll stick with my wagos personally
@meaghanhope5468
@meaghanhope5468 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been an electrician for 26 years and have to cut off the wire nuts less than 1% of the time. The wire in the nuts is just fine to reuse and this reuse meets electrical code. The little indentations on the wire does not reduce the efficiency of the connection. Also, the smaller versions are not removable. The wires must be cut each time.
@Auburn7543
@Auburn7543 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a journeyman electrician going on 10 years of experience and I completely agree.👍
@packinaglock
@packinaglock 3 жыл бұрын
36 years in the trade and I agree. 👍
@kaloosh2639
@kaloosh2639 3 жыл бұрын
Okay so you're right ? They can be reused correct ?and still pass code? Cause ive change some fixtures (d.i.y) and just reused them didnt look bad to need to toss the inside still looked threaded and the romix ends still looked fine, but always is best gotta keep extinguishers for safes in good spots👍
@ShadowVipers
@ShadowVipers 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaloosh2639 um no, when it comes to electrical stuff, you want to have it so you don't feel need to scatter fire extinguisher across the house... That is not safe!
@chancho00
@chancho00 3 жыл бұрын
He bring up the little indentations when the actual wires are twisted together when the wire nut is just making sure they keep tightly, meanwhile those wagos just use a little sharp edge that bite the wires and create such indentation that carry all the load cause the wires are actually separated inside, this video is just a paid advertisement or just a lazy wannabe electrician.
@moorefilmltd
@moorefilmltd 3 жыл бұрын
I rarely have a problem taking wire nuts back off to reuse them. Usually only on smaller 22 gauge thermostat wire that was nutted outside for 25 years
@gutfinski
@gutfinski 3 жыл бұрын
There are Wire Nuts and there are wire nuts, some much better than others.
@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney
@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney 3 жыл бұрын
@@nooneyouknowhere6148 Buchanan are awful. Ideal Twisters and Wing-Nuts are the toughest, most reversible, and most heavy-duty. Buchanan ‘B-Caps’ probably account for half the failed wire nuts I’ve ever dealt with. They don’t grab as hard, and the plastic must be softer or less chemical resistant or something, because they arc out the ends/sides more often.
@GoatZilla
@GoatZilla 3 жыл бұрын
huh huh u said "nutted"
@RaddestDad
@RaddestDad 3 жыл бұрын
3M scotchloks can’t be removed if installed correctly as the spring with just ratchet inside the insulated shell. Also if you resume wirenuts you’re insane because now you’re assuming responsibility for a 2¢ item that is by all intents and purposes listed as a 1 time use and discard item. Can tell you’re just another hired hand and not a business owner.
@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney
@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney 3 жыл бұрын
@@nooneyouknowhere6148 They arc through because they’re softer, cheaper, thinner plastic and they degrade due to heat/cold cycles and chemical environments. I work a lot in powerhouses, chemical plants, steel mills, that sort of thing, I can’t say whether I’ve seen one fail in a commercial building. I’ve noticed the spring’s a lot easier to spin in the plastic cap in them, too. I’m not old enough to have ever installed a Scotchlock (having started my career in around 2004-5), though I’ve cut a Godzillion of them off, and they do seem like a real asspain. The Ideals are big, I’ll give you that, but man, are they tough, and when they’re put on right you’ll break a wire before you pull it out of one. I might have different opinions if I did residential work or something.
@subiemon
@subiemon 3 жыл бұрын
i felt like i just watched a infomercial for a product that i really don't need, i have been using wire nuts for many years and never had any problems with reusing them ever...
@OttoByOgraffey
@OttoByOgraffey 3 жыл бұрын
I've reused them for years as well. But I have had some that weren't reusable.
@ronb6182
@ronb6182 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. It's just a sales pitch and if you don't know how to connect two or more wires together then you should not do electrical work. I been using them for years and never had a problem. I rather use gorilla nuts. That's what we use in our air machines where I work. He has the date wrong IDeal bought the patient in 1946. And called them wire nuts. Me and my father rewired a farmhouse and a lot of the junction boxes had wires soldered and wrapped with friction tape. The old black tape that was sticky on both sides.
@jonathansirmons7932
@jonathansirmons7932 3 жыл бұрын
You're not supposed to reuse them or the portion of wire that was scarred.
@OttoByOgraffey
@OttoByOgraffey 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathansirmons7932 I'll remember that the next time I re-use them and the portion of the wire that was scarred.
@ronb6182
@ronb6182 3 жыл бұрын
I must have missed something. I have a bunch of yellow wire nuts that I took off when I did the LED light conversion I probably won't use them. I used the orange ones when I installed the LED lights.
@Jakeutube22
@Jakeutube22 2 жыл бұрын
Ive been an industrial/residential electrician for over 15 years. Never once had an issue reusing wire nuts.This is the way I was taught in trade school.I have never had to cut wire down if I change something. Not one issue. These new style Connectors are nice but too expensive.
@kcjarembek
@kcjarembek 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, what a dumb video.......ive been an electrician for over 25 yrs and all those nice quick connects on new lighting fixtures are immediately cut off and discarded by our company, we have learned that they cause more problems than anything......those wago ones are a little different but wire nuts are still the best, fastest, and cheapest and we buy the more expensive ones........we must remember that a wire nut is actually connecting the WIRES together, its not relying on another piece of metal to jump the current......why add another variable if you dont have too. There is no question in my mind that a wire nut provides a superb wire to wire contact connection when done correctly.
@markrobert6817
@markrobert6817 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah never had to cut wire when reworking wire in a box. For whatever reason
@heyidiot
@heyidiot Жыл бұрын
Wirenuts are fine, if you know what you are doing. I might use a Wago if there wasn't enough length on the wire to do it right with a wirenut, I suppose. But it has never happened. I'm not made of money, so why would I buy something that is ten to fifty times the price?
@denomoable
@denomoable Жыл бұрын
@@kcjarembek because you’re using cheap chinese rubbish.
@peterlustig5545
@peterlustig5545 Жыл бұрын
New style? We use these in Germany for like 50 years or so. You can check rhe connection because they are transparent, the have small holes for testing and the time that you save using these saves you actually a lot of money. Using Wirenuts would be seen as unprofessional here.😅
@BcsDaBomb
@BcsDaBomb 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like I’m watching an infomercial. I just need all the wirenut clips to be in black and white.
@Father4ev3r
@Father4ev3r 3 жыл бұрын
But wait... There's more! Why buy one, when you could buy two for twice the price!
@itaintrocketscience
@itaintrocketscience 3 жыл бұрын
@@Father4ev3r If you call in the next 7 minutes, we’ll triple your offer! That’s 3 sets of Pushy Push Clamps for the price of one! Justpayseparateprocessingandhandling fee
@mitchjohnson4714
@mitchjohnson4714 3 жыл бұрын
I want to see people completely failing to use wire nuts.
@fivepointbaptist
@fivepointbaptist 3 жыл бұрын
I use split bolts. Then I spray them with gorilla glue. Wrap them with painters tape. Pour on some holy water. Give em a high 5. Boom! Done!
@tsadkiel2008
@tsadkiel2008 3 жыл бұрын
Best fix ever!
@davidswanson4437
@davidswanson4437 3 жыл бұрын
Please, if a person can NOT twist one wire around another, they should NEVER touch it in the first place..... Did silver cymbal get paid for this ad?
@coolbreezy2053
@coolbreezy2053 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it stinks like an infomercial.
@BlackEpyon
@BlackEpyon 3 жыл бұрын
@@titletownclowns1545 I always saw shake-weights as an excuse to work out the arm you don't jack off with. Relavant to the topic though, anybody who doesn't know how to properly use a wire nut has no business being inside an electrical box.
@michaelfodor6280
@michaelfodor6280 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bigfoots777 I find that you don't twist the stranded & solid together. You twist the insulation together to get a mechanical connection, then hold the two wires together in parallel with the ends at the same length. The wire nut should bite both wires at the same time and get a secure electrical connection.
@ivarmh
@ivarmh 2 жыл бұрын
I was using these for commercial work already back in 2009. Very handy and also nice for protecting prepared live wires before the end equipment is installed. Its also good to note that the older grey model has an indent on the back that’s meant as a guide for how long you should strip the wire to get a proper secure connection.
@ivarmh
@ivarmh 2 жыл бұрын
Hail Odin! The king of Åsgard. Chieftain of the gods. “Vanklok mann veit alt, han trur, der millom bergi han bur. Men når framandfolk honom finn, rådlaus røynest han då.» 26th verse of Håvamål
@Godwillsortyou
@Godwillsortyou 2 жыл бұрын
@BEWARE OF SEEKER FRIENDLY CHURCHES JESUS IS COMING Jesus gave up and went home long ago.
@benjamink8448
@benjamink8448 2 жыл бұрын
I also use them to protect against live wires, easily undone
@KravMike08
@KravMike08 3 жыл бұрын
I don't care what you think young man. I've been doing electricity longer than you have been alive and I'm here to tell you A) don't be so damn lazy and learn how to use wire nuts properly. B) your Wego is nothing more than a stab-wire connector and THAT'S a fire hazard I promise you that!!!!!! In my 40 years doing electrical work I've tried every way possible to connect wires and a wire nut is still the best way (IF you do it properly) unless you go with solder then you are doing the best that can be done..... Period
@JustinL614
@JustinL614 3 жыл бұрын
Before wirenuts they used other methods. It's only natural for wirenuts to be replaced eventually.
@allandulles7108
@allandulles7108 3 жыл бұрын
yes, and your horsedrawn carriage is great too because you dont need gas right?
@transfixit
@transfixit 3 жыл бұрын
I'll never understand why push in connectors are such a big word in North America while the one used in Europe are far more recent, less heat prone than nuts and globally Europe just has less electrical fires per inhabitants.
@KravMike08
@KravMike08 3 жыл бұрын
@@allandulles7108 no my F-250 diesel does just fine thank you very much.... I'm referring to your lack of basic electricity and simply chopping off wires because you are too simple-minded to learn how to do electrical work properly.... Like untwisting your wires.... OR simply reading the instructions on the container of wire nuts where it says to NOT twist the wires before putting the wire nut on!!!!!!! Open your mind and close your mouth those connectors suck and will burn down your customers house!!!! In another 35 years when you have some knowledge about your trade and have experienced as much as I have you will have learned how a less than proper installation effects the materials used and the flow of electrons through the system
@allandulles7108
@allandulles7108 3 жыл бұрын
@@KravMike08 and I was referring more to many blue collar americans as unwilling to adapt and adopt new technologies. they use these throughout europe.
@preformancemustang
@preformancemustang 3 жыл бұрын
Wago is against building codes in my state. They clam there not Secure enough properly properly hold wires together causing shorts that lead to electric ark starting a fire. So check you code book before using them.
@robertlaw4073
@robertlaw4073 3 жыл бұрын
I could imagine the problem would be a situation where the wires actually end up holding up a fixture, so imagine someone cross threaded the bracket screws, or the nut on the threaded post comes loose over time. A properly sized connection with wire nut will, in a pinch, hold up most flush fixtures, at least so you don't have it come crashing down on your head and have a chance to get up there and fix the problem before anyone gets hurt. I would not count on a thin wall plastic box to take that weight.
@brianleeper5737
@brianleeper5737 3 жыл бұрын
What state is that?
@JustinL614
@JustinL614 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertlaw4073 Don't do that unless it's the ground. I've seen guys pull wires out of the fixtures that way.
@imark7777777
@imark7777777 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertlaw4073 it seems like you're saying my hypothetical light fixture hanging from the ceiling shouldn't be hanging from the ceiling just by the wire alone? Sarcasm
@RaddestDad
@RaddestDad 3 жыл бұрын
Calling BS on that Permformenbuttstang
@jameslopez4222
@jameslopez4222 3 жыл бұрын
There's a reason why this design hasn't changed since 1929.....it works.
@proislam1447
@proislam1447 3 жыл бұрын
because many dumbs accepted the faults and think it worked
@computec1993
@computec1993 2 жыл бұрын
In Germany (the origin of the Wago Connector ;-) ) we usually don't use the "lever" type wago on solid copper wire. We use Wago type 2273 for that. The type 221 (lever) is used for stranded wire, or joining solid with stranded.
@petermuller4322
@petermuller4322 2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to ad that in Germany Wago is most commonly used-has been so for years.
@rfreaky4717
@rfreaky4717 2 жыл бұрын
Its really depending on what you do. I mostly carry around the 221 because they can do everything and are easier to remove but the 2273 are much cheaper
@TotallyNuss
@TotallyNuss 3 жыл бұрын
“Incredibly dangerous” yeah, that’s why we’ve been using them for 100 years. 😂
@SilverCymbal
@SilverCymbal 3 жыл бұрын
Yes right along with Asbestos, a miracle product.
@TotallyNuss
@TotallyNuss 3 жыл бұрын
@@SilverCymbal You’re comparing wire nuts to asbestos?! 😂
@utuberlars
@utuberlars 3 жыл бұрын
@Billy Mack, Texas Detective He get some Money from the German company Wago... So now you understand
@KravMike08
@KravMike08 3 жыл бұрын
@@SilverCymbal get a grip on reality man... Asbestos?!?!?! Really!?!?!?!? I hold an EPA Asbestos abatement worker certificate and you sound SO ridiculous with your analogies I almost pissed my self laughing!¡!¡!¡!
@KEWONZOR
@KEWONZOR 3 жыл бұрын
Sponsored but not really sponsored
@BadassAlen
@BadassAlen 3 жыл бұрын
I've only been an electrician for 5 years, but the beginning of the video was hilariously misinformed lmao
@waltersobchak7275
@waltersobchak7275 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been an IBEW member for 89 years and I can confirm what you are saying is true
@Openreality
@Openreality 3 жыл бұрын
No the old wing nuts are actually fire hazards and actually are anti customer because it forces the home owner to buy new wires regularly because they in fact damage the wires. You've just been poorly taught because these things have been available as long as you've been in school and you definitely need a refresher course for sure.
@waltersobchak7275
@waltersobchak7275 3 жыл бұрын
@@Openreality you must be from a third world country
@carsonconlee6277
@carsonconlee6277 3 жыл бұрын
Also in electrical field and agree... I’m sure these wagos with levers are pretty good but the stab in wagos are way more common and seem to fail and burn up a lot.
@waltersobchak7275
@waltersobchak7275 3 жыл бұрын
@@carsonconlee6277 thank you C
@slaikka633
@slaikka633 3 жыл бұрын
I've been electrician in Finland nearly 20years and never used these. Only seen when opening old junction boxes. So it's been rip here much longer 😂
@eliaswb4133
@eliaswb4133 3 жыл бұрын
+1 for here in The Netherlands.. Prehistoric wire nuts are not in use for a long time already here
@Broooski
@Broooski 3 жыл бұрын
@@eliaswb4133 Lul niet man voor fabrieken etc is het zelfs verplicht ze kunnen veel grotere vermogens verdragen dan steekwago
@laiskamies
@laiskamies 3 жыл бұрын
Yupp, whenever I see those shitty wirenuts I replace them with Wagos. And also there are Wagos for 8 wires, I would never trust wirenut to hold 8 wires.
@milankaloczi4547
@milankaloczi4547 3 жыл бұрын
It's really sad, because in Hungary we use Wago at least 5 years. Somehow, we don't use wire nuts, because if somebody doesn't had terminal block, he just twisted the cable, and put electrical tape on it.
@misterspinkick
@misterspinkick 3 жыл бұрын
I've never seen wirenutss in Germany and I think nobody is using this in Europe today. There is nothing better than Wago
@sigataros
@sigataros 6 ай бұрын
Here's why I will keep using wire nuts: - They are dirt cheap - Usually a red wire nut is good for most amounts of wire and sizes in home wiring - Wago has a current rating while a wire nut joins the wires themselves directly and doesn't have a current rating - 3:10 I'm still begging companies to make transparent wire nuts but I guess we don't have them yet however wago is still a good option Mistakes you made in your video: - 0:33 you can keep using wire with bite marks and it will be fine, it will in some cases provide better connection because the recently stripped copper is guaranteed to not be rusty, you can also twist enameled wire with a wire nut and it will make a connection due to it's sandpaper abilities - 0:42 you're wasting so much wire here by cutting the wire at the bottom of the wire nut, what you need to do is to remove the nut and cut the wire just where the copper stops being insulated (you can also use wire that is stripped, it's fine) - 1:10 yes you screw them on and you're all set, if you put them too loose then you will immediately know to use a smaller wire nut, and if it's too tight then i don't know what you are doing, pre twist if you have 3+ wires, because you probably can't hold all of them together while putting the wire on, but 2 wires is fine to not twist because the wire nut does that for you - 1:29 I can, i separate the wire then twist them back together with a linemen's pliers, not that hard - 2:16 use a smaller wire nut or solder them
@LoFiMofo
@LoFiMofo 3 жыл бұрын
Wire nuts, when installed correctly, can be used over and over again. An electrical circuit is only as reliable as its worst connection and the connectors shown here will also wear over time.
@rippen1982
@rippen1982 3 жыл бұрын
If you can't make a secure, safe connection with a wire nut, you have absolutely no business touching electrical.. I've seen these types of connectors cause issues with AFCI breakers/circuits. This dude probably thinks the stab-ins in the back of receps/switches is better than wrapping the screw and tightening down..😂 These connectors would be FAR more prone to failure or fire risk than a wire nut connection done correctly. But you do you bub.. lol
@kkarllwt
@kkarllwt 3 жыл бұрын
The stab ins suck. The screw down clamps are fine.
@DevinShillingtonSkateboarding
@DevinShillingtonSkateboarding 3 жыл бұрын
This just fixes a problem that doesn't exist. Plus the cost of these is guaranteed to be much higher.
@normalhuman428
@normalhuman428 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the negative claims in this video do not seem realistic. If you take time to make sure your connections are tight, they are insulated, and they are not subject to physical changes over time, they should last nearly forever. Plus, how many times do you really need to make changes to a wiring box connection? Frankly, if you need to cut the leads enough times to make new connections until they are too short to reconnect safely, you need to consider rerouting a new line from your power panel because you probably have too many loads on the circuit causing a different problem. Rule 1: If you daisy chain receptacles, nut the lines with pigtails to the receptacles. You can cut and replace the receptacle lines an infinitum until the pigtails are too short, then replace and retwist the nut connections once...and you are back in business. Rule 2: If you do not understand what you are doing, you should find someone who does.
@Alaskaguys
@Alaskaguys 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been doing this a long time, I definitely prefer wire nuts. But that’s just me.
@beenesgarage2055
@beenesgarage2055 3 жыл бұрын
Same here
@bigal1863
@bigal1863 3 жыл бұрын
Bet wire nuts cost a tenth of what this gizmoe does
@merciless972
@merciless972 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigal1863 yup, that's why he's not mentioning how much it costs in the video.
@PaulPaulsen
@PaulPaulsen 3 жыл бұрын
little tip for the older grey wago´s: if you want to know how long the insulation has to be cut, just turn the clamp around. there is a little shelf with a step which shows the correct length.
@knotbumper
@knotbumper 3 жыл бұрын
Only issue is the contact surface (which is the current carrying part of the conductor and connector) is substantially smaller that when two (or more) conductors are joined with a wirenut. They are fast, cheap and popular with contractors who do residential work and are paid piece work. Several customers of the contractor I work for prohibit in their specifications Wago and similar connectors due to failures. In 42 years or electrical construction, I have never seen a wire nut go bad unless it was installed incorrectly even then, of the hundreds of thousands of wire nuts I have handled, I bet there have been less than five that had failed. true, you should not reuse wirenuts. But, in the fine print, Wagos are a one time installation also.
@Morberis
@Morberis 2 жыл бұрын
Where these excel is in controls. They make testing for faults so much easier.
@streaky81
@streaky81 3 жыл бұрын
Wagos: test points and maintenance free. Constantly surprised by people just discovering them. Also they're *more* useful for commercial electricians, not less, because that test thing and the maintenance thing again. Wait until they find out about the wago-specific junction boxes..
@zaalnibu
@zaalnibu 3 жыл бұрын
Wait what, mind blown
@mountainxxxdew
@mountainxxxdew 3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the amount of time saved which for this profession is a massive deal and well worth the extra $
@zaalnibu
@zaalnibu 3 жыл бұрын
It’s almost ironic the day after I watched this vid I stumbled across one on the job site and I asked my foreman why we don’t use wagos more than wire nuts or even as much, simple answer is they are somewhat finicky and the slightest problem in connection causes arcs which destroy the connector completely, bottom line is wirenuts are much more reliable
@mountainxxxdew
@mountainxxxdew 3 жыл бұрын
@@zaalnibu ahh makes sense then. Still seems like a good option for a skilled diyer that knows what their doing and is more inclined to mind the details like that
@donreid6399
@donreid6399 2 жыл бұрын
Yup...recent convert here, streaky. Now I use them all the time!
@anders4u222
@anders4u222 3 жыл бұрын
Wire nuts just gives a better connection than those Wagos..
@proislam1447
@proislam1447 3 жыл бұрын
bullshit
@Travis141123
@Travis141123 3 жыл бұрын
I have a lifetime supply of wire nuts, left behind by a electrician neighbor.
@Recreationaltrespasser
@Recreationaltrespasser 3 жыл бұрын
@@RocafellaPlaza yeah. You pay for whatever I forgot to take out of my pocket lol.
@tomtom7955
@tomtom7955 3 жыл бұрын
@@Recreationaltrespasser I have a bowl on my coffe table full of random screws and wire nuts
@gerdberg4188
@gerdberg4188 3 жыл бұрын
Got any extra ????
@ramtek2702
@ramtek2702 3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I think that wire nuts are quite forgiving and the fact that they have been used ubiquitously for nearly 100 years supports that. Of course there's always a way to misuse anything.
@oceancon
@oceancon 3 жыл бұрын
sometimes new things can work better even though we are so used to doing things the 'regular' way. For instance I just did some new spigot connection in my house and used the shark-bite setup instead of sweating pipe. More expensive? yes but way the hell easier, safer and pleasurable. Just keep that in mind when new technologies present themselves !
@ramtek2702
@ramtek2702 3 жыл бұрын
@@oceancon You might LOVE the new fittings today but your opinion won't be valid until you know they last as long as the old method which is forever. I hope they don't leak in a year because they are not fun to replace.
@oceancon
@oceancon 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramtek2702 maybe so but they are easy to replace. If you make a mistake when installing its easy to take apart and redo. just saying dont ignore new tech just for the sake of it
@ramtek2702
@ramtek2702 3 жыл бұрын
@@oceancon I don't ignore anything but my experience with "NEW" is just some guy finding a way to show you some short term gain while concealing long term consequences that often become someone else's problem. I've heard they're very difficult to replace where sweat fittings only need to be heated. Sweat fittings are not difficult if you are patient and have the right tools & knowledge. These days people are always looking for ways to cut corners.
@chipsammich2078
@chipsammich2078 3 жыл бұрын
@@oceancon Shark bites are over priced junk
@itisjustacomment
@itisjustacomment 3 жыл бұрын
I like how he cuts a massive amount of wire to fit his narrative :)
@antoniocamacho4412
@antoniocamacho4412 3 жыл бұрын
All he needs to cut is the bite marks off😅
@billruss6704
@billruss6704 2 жыл бұрын
And then measures 3 inches "as the crow flies".
@Nathaniel_Peterson
@Nathaniel_Peterson 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed too, but the point remains.
@papabilby8855
@papabilby8855 3 жыл бұрын
Wire nuts are incredibly dangerous? 😂 News to me and I’m an HVAC tech who uses wire nuts everyday. Bad marketing ploy guys.
@proislam1447
@proislam1447 3 жыл бұрын
yes, many idiots out there thinking they are experts
@waynesimpson2040
@waynesimpson2040 3 жыл бұрын
And i forgot to mention...wire nuts are very reusable! Been reusing them without a problem forever lol
@johnbukowski9701
@johnbukowski9701 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Wayne, please check with UL Electrical Code. Wire Nuts are not approved to be reused.
@chevydmax1000
@chevydmax1000 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnbukowski9701 I have been a Electrician for 38 years and have never had a problem reusing them. You know from experience which ones will work again and which ones need to go into the trash. Most are reusable and work as good as new most of the time.
@xsardas1999
@xsardas1999 3 жыл бұрын
so is wago.
@tdjekins21
@tdjekins21 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnbukowski9701 UL and the NEC are two entirely different things. The manufacturers say one time use to avoid any liability. They are certainly able to be reused. The ones that can't should be obvious
@tdjekins21
@tdjekins21 3 жыл бұрын
@@xsardas1999 some are, some aren't.
@dhaggy1980
@dhaggy1980 3 жыл бұрын
Don''t use Wago's on branch circuit electrical work. They are not rated for the amperage to the next device. A wirenut is the best WHEN USED PROPERLY. A wago should be used to connect lighting fixtures. Branch circuit to fixture WAGO YES. Branch circuit to branch circuit WAGO NO. I have seen wagos used for branch circuits and they've melted and failed.
@HarmanatorNYC
@HarmanatorNYC 3 жыл бұрын
Ratings up to 32 A/450 V and 105°C maximum continuous operating temperature allow the 221 Series Splicing Connectors to be used at ambient temperatures up to 85°C (T85), making them ideal for small and large loads. Furthermore, approvals like ENEC or UL make the 221 Series ideally suited for use in worldwide applications.
@jimquantic
@jimquantic 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with the argument is that you hardly EVER need to "make a change", almost never. That said, these are cool, I like em.
@model-man7802
@model-man7802 2 жыл бұрын
You've never been to our house.Hardly ever doesn't apply here.
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