Simon Jordan EXPLAINS Why Manchester United's Share Prices Dipping is IRRELEVANT to the Glazers 😳

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With Manchester United's share prices dipping, Simon Jordan explains why this is irrelevant to their owners, the Glazer family.
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@johnmurray8428
@johnmurray8428 Жыл бұрын
Simon is a 100% realist. Only us fans believe the myths and stories around our clubs. It is a business and Simon is not wrong!
@funny573ff
@funny573ff Жыл бұрын
Speak for yourself. Ony YOU believed it.
@johnmurray8428
@johnmurray8428 Жыл бұрын
@@funny573ff what do we only believe?
@lewiscannon6126
@lewiscannon6126 Жыл бұрын
Jim is such a melt. Always playing the 'I'm one of you, the people' card
@Darth-Boner
@Darth-Boner Жыл бұрын
There all melts
@YouNeedToGetAJob
@YouNeedToGetAJob Жыл бұрын
@@Darth-Boner*they’re
@chrisconnor1312
@chrisconnor1312 Жыл бұрын
Jim knows all the facts. He’s just playing devils advocate to start a conversation
@lloydwaycott8178
@lloydwaycott8178 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisconnor1312 I really don't think he does. He should simply defer to Simon on any financial matters.
@BobbySpringer1
@BobbySpringer1 Жыл бұрын
It must be PAINFUL for Simon to have to explain this stuff to people with no clue. Manchester United are not an item in a shop with a fixed price. It’s a bit like buying a house. There’ll be a market guide but the value is decided by the buyer and seller
@cd83974sheirbrhej
@cd83974sheirbrhej Жыл бұрын
Jim and Danny do have a clue though, its why Danny Murphy doesnt speak, he gets what they're doing. Jim knows, but he is playing his role, his 'man of the people' role, its quite irritating the way Jim plays dumb but its so they can rehash this subject again and again, its been explained by Simon so many times now but its like he keeps saying, some Utd fans dont listen and keep on with the 'Glazers OUT NOW' screaming when its just not going to play out like that.
@TehApolloEleven
@TehApolloEleven Жыл бұрын
And share price is a vital indicator of value 😂
@tyroneraman6395
@tyroneraman6395 Жыл бұрын
It's nothing like buying a house ffs! So many different variables. Wow. Trying to be clever are we?
@MCFCTheMadHatter
@MCFCTheMadHatter Жыл бұрын
@@tyroneraman6395 Paradigmatically, it’s quite similar actually. The breadth & scope differ along which comes more variables to be valued, but at the end of the day, all those variable added up equate to a particular number from the seller’s position and the potential buyer’s. If they meet, sale is done if not, they either walk away or continued to go back and forth until an agreement is reached.
@wukongsun6223
@wukongsun6223 Жыл бұрын
​​@samwize28Imagine letting go of all the board. You'd have total chaos and you can't do that either way. There would be legal action Ed Woodward was replaced and this shows again that there is no guarantee that the next replacement will be much different because it simply doesn't work that way The glazers didn't hire those people btw. That's left to adminstration, shareholders and other interests
@Orillionn
@Orillionn Жыл бұрын
Simon spitting facts
@lfcspectre4335
@lfcspectre4335 Жыл бұрын
Sir Orillion = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
@adamscowcroft8248
@adamscowcroft8248 Жыл бұрын
A mortgage is nothing like 75% debt. Thick as pig muck.
@stretfordender11
@stretfordender11 Жыл бұрын
Apart from he’s lying about a 6BN bid for United. He’s right with the share price not mattering though.
@TehApolloEleven
@TehApolloEleven Жыл бұрын
@@stretfordender11share price does matter😂
@killerbee8892
@killerbee8892 Жыл бұрын
As a trader I can tell you Simon knows his stuff and given a small bit of knowledge, bringing up their stock price in this situation is very silly.
@rjb10101
@rjb10101 Жыл бұрын
100%...
@gusleonard9397
@gusleonard9397 Жыл бұрын
Facts. The way the stock is moving is just on short term speculation
@Gasser24769
@Gasser24769 Жыл бұрын
AHHHH RIGHT ,,, THIS VIDEO STILL WONT CONVINCE HIM THE GLAZERS ARE BELLENDS . SHARE PRICE IS INDICATIVE THOUGH sry for all caps I know
@thedreamer3454
@thedreamer3454 Жыл бұрын
That's true only If they don't fall off.... If they fall off as a brand and in the football sense they will become a Liverpool or Everton. So yes for the moment.... All rosey..... But they are falling behind MASSIVELY. All it takes is a few more poor decisions and boom. Mid table club and that stock price becomes worse.
@gaffs82
@gaffs82 Жыл бұрын
It’s irrelevant to those ppl who have bought stock in the hope to make a quick profit when The Glazers sell. It’s also irrelevant as the market now believes that the club is less likely to be sold that it was last week. What makes the stock price irrelevant though is the fact only a small portion of the club is floated on the NYSE.
@Emc2-n2t
@Emc2-n2t Жыл бұрын
Simon nailed it on the media narrative 😂
@jaedon7446
@jaedon7446 Жыл бұрын
Hate to agree with Simon, but yes right. If the glazers could get the management correct to run the club properly, no one would complain. They deserve blame, but if they don’t want to sell there’s nothing anyone can do.
@liammoore7111
@liammoore7111 Жыл бұрын
Let Simon square a circle
@triunf1
@triunf1 Жыл бұрын
People are tired of fans and pundits scapegoating the Glaziers every time Utd are not doing well. In the past few years Utd have spent a lot of money (apart from Chelsea) and the self entitled club think success is their daily bread. Did the Glazier suggest the buying of Evan ? Did the Glazier encourage the manager to call out Sancho publicly?? Crazy
@TokenishTrinket
@TokenishTrinket Жыл бұрын
@samwize28 Don't give up on your team, just don't buy their products until the ownership changes. The Glazers and other shareholders rely upon international fanbase that buys shirts and buy rights to play games on TV and streaming. If you want them to sell join the protests and don't buy their products, that will devalue their investment (by lagging product sales and lower brand attractiveness) and cause a sale. Unfortunately Man U are a global brand so your individual protest won't matter but over time the market stagnation of the brand and ROI can make the stakeholders start to sell. We did it at Arsenal, now Josh Kroenke had to move to a hands-on position in the co-chairman role and reform the club's structure to bring back the corporate box spenders and the long term season ticket holders. His changes meant that Arsenal now have a director of football (Edu) that invests in the playing staff and manager to provide success on the pitch which is driving brand deals and competition revenue higher than pre-2018. The addition of Champions League returns and subsiquent deals mean that high expenditure in the short term can be offset and eventually negated by latterly produced net income.
@adamgillaspy1
@adamgillaspy1 Жыл бұрын
has you seen the stadium? been to it in the last 10 years? if u had you would know why. that 1b taken out on intrested could of fixed the issue, training ground is outdated, the academy has no guidence anymore. i reacently worked with a guy who worked for my company part time and full time as united academy, was there for like 10 years, hes just left@@triunf1
@adamgillaspy1
@adamgillaspy1 Жыл бұрын
and gone to man city , says there set up is amazing.
@kurainaru
@kurainaru Жыл бұрын
Jim is so good at winding Simon up 🤣🤣🤣
@Veryverydrunk
@Veryverydrunk Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness for Simon. If Manchester united could be bought by ‘buying all the shares on the stock market’ then Qatar would have done it wouldn’t they for a few Billion less than they offered. You cannot by the class A controlling shares the glazers own. People should use their brains.
@housinauthority5258
@housinauthority5258 Жыл бұрын
It is because the Glazers are the majority shareholders.
@TehApolloEleven
@TehApolloEleven Жыл бұрын
All Manchester United shares on the stock market ≠ all Manchester United shares
@michaelohara49
@michaelohara49 Жыл бұрын
​@@TehApolloElevenExcept 100 percent of United is not on the stock market. They floated a percentage of their shares, so no, you are completely wrong.
@Reez_100oC
@Reez_100oC Жыл бұрын
Love Simon on this show at times😂
@whoami1654
@whoami1654 Жыл бұрын
Me too ❤
@RomansEight38-39
@RomansEight38-39 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely facts by Simon. It’s hard to accept but the truth
@kc8923
@kc8923 Жыл бұрын
Love to hear Simon talking about business!! He's totally clear in his understanding of the financial aspects of football.
@haimainjauo242
@haimainjauo242 Жыл бұрын
Not the only one who does though. He's just inflammatory when he's waxing lyricals
@whoknew2273
@whoknew2273 Жыл бұрын
Right sit down class here is lesson by Simon Jordan 😆
@AlanBourdillionTrehearne
@AlanBourdillionTrehearne Жыл бұрын
Jim being hysterical again without any understanding of how business works
@SimonOutdoors
@SimonOutdoors Жыл бұрын
It’s fine for there to be a difference between the share value and what someone is willing to pay. If someone was offering 6+bn the shares still weren’t worth that much even before the dip. Its only worth how much someone is willing to pay at a given point in time. And there are a ton of ways to value a business!
@terrymccan5891
@terrymccan5891 Жыл бұрын
Very few companies get sold for what their market cap position is worth, their will be a margin of goodwill which sits on the new owners balance sheet but Jim and Co dont understand that
@SimonOutdoors
@SimonOutdoors Жыл бұрын
@@terrymccan5891 indeed, goodwill was the key phrase missing
@thedreamer3454
@thedreamer3454 Жыл бұрын
Correct but nothing stays the same. So just as much as its worth 6 billion today tomorrow it could be worth 1 billion. If they keep up these poor results and their asset keep dropping In value so will the clubs selling price
@fubub3595
@fubub3595 Жыл бұрын
​@@thedreamer3454in case that they loses some sponsors
@housinauthority5258
@housinauthority5258 Жыл бұрын
​@@thedreamer3454Incorrect
@simonmenzies3142
@simonmenzies3142 Жыл бұрын
Utd ARE NOT the most icon club at all anymore😂😂😂 Honestly🤦🏻‍♂️ Things don’t stay the same for ever simon! Madrid, Barca, Liverpool, Man City, Bayern, Chelsea, United, Arsenal, AC Milan, Juventus, inter,
@simonmenzies3142
@simonmenzies3142 Жыл бұрын
@@zelig1799 so from your time scale and reasoning utd are what? Zero
@philanimagagula5458
@philanimagagula5458 Жыл бұрын
That redbull Ferrari analogy is so on point
@aaronhewitt3949
@aaronhewitt3949 Жыл бұрын
Danny Murphy looks bored to death 😂
@charlesbrown4941
@charlesbrown4941 Жыл бұрын
Doesn’t have a clue what’s going on.
@MRAPEXPREDATOR1
@MRAPEXPREDATOR1 Жыл бұрын
It’s very simple. Before the Glazers there wasn’t any debt! Now there is around 1billion of debt. What is wrong with fans being angry about that?
@jw20212
@jw20212 Жыл бұрын
Correct 🔰🔰🔰🔰🔰
@samsmyth-nh4ko
@samsmyth-nh4ko Жыл бұрын
Because the debt doesn't effect the fans or team for that matter.very simple
@Franglaiso
@Franglaiso Жыл бұрын
Yeah but why do you care. It's not like it stops the club from buying players. The only club to have spent more than united in the PL over the past five years is Chelsea. Debt is being lumped onto the club, but as far as you are concerned that doesn't stop you enjoying football.
@MRAPEXPREDATOR1
@MRAPEXPREDATOR1 Жыл бұрын
@@samsmyth-nh4ko everything about our club effects us fans. Win lose or draw.
@leemurf2322
@leemurf2322 Жыл бұрын
@@samsmyth-nh4koless to invest in the rotting stadium and training ground when you are paying massive interest payments on the loans. Having that level of debt is never good
@astrologiaeaudiobooks7278
@astrologiaeaudiobooks7278 Жыл бұрын
Man Utd is nowhere near the biggest european club here in Brazil or Latin America. Ronaldo, Romario, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Kaka never considered playing for them. Real Madrid and Barcelona are way bigger.
@samarpandas3260
@samarpandas3260 Жыл бұрын
Their are 6 continents in the world North America ,Africa specially sub Saharan Africa, Asia specially china ,India,Japan,korea, indoneshia, Australia which league dominate ... And man UTD play in which league......
@petershortland478
@petershortland478 Жыл бұрын
If Man United fans were so upset stop spending on season ticket, a full kit for your child, programme. You doing all doesnt go into the club it goes in glazers pockets
@Martin-kl1vk
@Martin-kl1vk Жыл бұрын
You can not say that abramovich did not love Chelsea
@porchathebulldogscottychan5182
@porchathebulldogscottychan5182 Жыл бұрын
Simon talking facts Danny hated it 😂😂
@martysmith2851
@martysmith2851 Жыл бұрын
Danny Liverpool Murphy cant stand to admit United might be the biggest brand name in football, he's desperate to say its Real Madrid
@juanperezpaniagua3601
@juanperezpaniagua3601 Жыл бұрын
Bec its not, real Madrid are way bigger not just a little bigger, way bigger club, way bigger brand, so as Bayern Liverpool and Barcelona. You utd fans are deluded, no one wants to play for utd nowdays
@livewireredb.9953
@livewireredb.9953 Жыл бұрын
Maybe someone can explain this, but how would a World Cup in US increase the value of a club in England? I don't get it.
@y2k8719
@y2k8719 Жыл бұрын
More/New eyes on the game. Maybe then US companies want to invest into United.
@AJ-xv7oh
@AJ-xv7oh Жыл бұрын
American eyes and media will be on the game. Stocks are fickle and will raise and fall based on anything but if there's attention on something, they will usually rise.
@gillie-monger3394
@gillie-monger3394 Жыл бұрын
Bigger share of a bigger financial package via advertising and sponsorship.
@jamiiiedee3196
@jamiiiedee3196 Жыл бұрын
Because they’re that disconnected from reality and thick they probably think United will play in it
@Alto53
@Alto53 Жыл бұрын
​@jamiiiedee3196 actually the revamped Club World Cup is in the US in 2025, so they might play in that.
@Rodney231
@Rodney231 Жыл бұрын
At No point in history have United been a bigger club than Real Madrid by any measure....Man United is not even bigger than Barcelona....There is a world outside the corridors of Britain....
@benellis9665
@benellis9665 Жыл бұрын
Other than drawing a picture in wax crayon, I don't know how much clearer Simon can make this for Jim!
@Swabes7
@Swabes7 Жыл бұрын
Danny hates hearing Simon say how big Man Utd are haha
@georgedavies-ball657
@georgedavies-ball657 Жыл бұрын
Truly the only way to force the Glazers out is to see it in business terms. Protests are about our opinions and feelings and they couldn’t two shits about either. Business is about money. At least 90% of fans NEED to stop going to games, unfollow all social media and not buy any merchandise and they’ll be gone within a month or two. As soon as their pockets are hit that hard they’ll flee like rats on a sinking ship.
@TechBytes2day
@TechBytes2day Жыл бұрын
MU fan, Simon sometimes gets under my skin but he's spitting facts here.
@Panjax
@Panjax Жыл бұрын
But they weren't sold for 6 Billion. Nobody was willing to bid that much. Simon saying 'they're not doing too badly are they, going for 6 billion' only if someone actually pays that. But not even the Saudi's who've been paying over the odds in multiple arenas for multiple ventures are even willing to match that.
@AAGGHH4
@AAGGHH4 Жыл бұрын
Current market cap is usually irrelevant. If the market cap is currently 3 billion. Every shareholder could sell to get there equivalent of that 3 billion. If a company expects itself to grow over the next few years. It requires the buyer to offer more than what they’ll be worth X amongst years down the line. If my business is worth 3 billion now. 5 years down the line I expect it to be worth 6 billion. I could just wait and sell my shares then, giving me the flexibility to choose when to deal with the capital gains tax. If the glazers think it’ll be worth 6 billion in 5 years. You need to pay a premium to warrant me to sell now. That’s a very basic explanation of the market cap argument
@Its_JustKai
@Its_JustKai Жыл бұрын
To me as a supporter and fan of United this is good news the Glazers have to sell!
@drep9028
@drep9028 Жыл бұрын
Many a Club would bite a hand off to have the success manU had under the Glazer's. If anyone thinks Glazer's selling ManU will immediately return them to dominance is in for a rude awakening
@drep9028
@drep9028 Жыл бұрын
@samwize28 I would prefer the Glazer's leave and be taken over by Everton's owners
@drep9028
@drep9028 Жыл бұрын
@samwize28 then my truest answer is that I really don't care and I don't think it will have that significant impact on Utd within the next 4 years anyway. I think Utd fans are more hoping and dreaming it will same as opposition fans are hoping and dreaming that the Glazer's are the biggest issue and will thus stay. I think both are wrong
@drep9028
@drep9028 Жыл бұрын
@samwize28 not likely....and if a year after the takeover ManU achieves roughly the same results. You'll know why. But...don't think of me or anything...I'd likely have forgotten and moved on anyway
@Keeptrucking-hq9ft
@Keeptrucking-hq9ft Жыл бұрын
English media twerking for oil money to take over United but complain when players leave to play for oil money 😅
@thelmaviaduct
@thelmaviaduct Жыл бұрын
Highest net spend over the past 10 years in the prem. But Glazers out.... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@marwenost
@marwenost Жыл бұрын
Simon Jordan He should be a professor in Sports business at big Universities
@chrissilvester5663
@chrissilvester5663 Жыл бұрын
As a Man United fan I hate saying this but Simon has made some very good factual points. Fact is when u buy a brand u aren't buying it 100% straight cash there will always be leveraged debt involved. The Glazers unfortunately aren't daft people they know what they want & unfortunately their shares are very well secure so they can hold out for far more than what the club is worth. I think the what us United fans are most pissed at is the debt they placed on us aswell as the amount of interest we've paid out regarding that debt over 900m which could've been used to upgrade Old Trafford aswell as Carrington. Also we haven't exactly had the right people running the club. If we had a proper DOF that knows what they're doing we wouldn't be as messed up we wouldn't of signed half the players we did on stupid wages etc.
@sonicworm8249
@sonicworm8249 Жыл бұрын
if share price was a true representation of value then why did twitter go for 3x the share price
@Batecatcher
@Batecatcher Жыл бұрын
Yes Simon, you work to pay off your mortgage to clear the debt, the Glazers are not paying the debt off!
@terryjames9535
@terryjames9535 Жыл бұрын
I love the glazers, probably because I'm a 51 year old city fan.. the glazers have zombified the fans that gloried in my misery when my team had no future 😂😂
@barbarohelm9697
@barbarohelm9697 Жыл бұрын
I love that man City get no credit for any of their success .. I love how every football fan talks about them as cheats 😂😂😂
@mhutchinson89
@mhutchinson89 Жыл бұрын
couldn't replace Fergie but they missed out on Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti
@craig1669
@craig1669 Жыл бұрын
United fan here. I'm not happy to say I told you so, but I'm a realist. I get a lot of stick from fellow reds for my opinions but heres how I see the situation. Ask yourself..... why would ANYBODY sell Manchester United? Especially when it's obvious that the club value will only increase with the Saudis Qataris etc starting to invest in football. Even when we're doing terrible for our standards, we STILL generate hundreds of millions of pounds a year. No amount of protests will change that. No boycott will work cos the ticket will get sold to a tourist who will spend hundreds in the shop and around the stadium. Then, factor in that the ONLY reason they would possibly sell is to please the fans. The same fans that celebrated their fathers death and now chant about killing them. Owning MUFC gives unlimited credit around the world and secures the future of every Glazer for generations to come. I believe the banks may have been asking for some assurances on the debt, this whole process would have reassured them comfortably. The debt will be restructured and nothing will change. Possibly a huge loan to pay for the training ground and stadium upgrades, heaping more debt on the club, which the glazers will never personally pay. It's genius business, you have to admit. Considering all this.... Again I ask.... Why would ANYBODY sell Manchester United???
@richardlefaive1944
@richardlefaive1944 Жыл бұрын
Any competent business owner should want their business run well ( E.G. appoints a proper CEO ). The Glazers have not. They've had buffoons ( from a football Ops perspective, not financial ) managing and having final say over player transfer and development INF decisions for 2 decades now. There is literally no excuse for that.
@jamesmaskell3743
@jamesmaskell3743 Жыл бұрын
Thankfully Simon explains why its not worth freaking out about. So many people talking out their butts on what the share price represents.
@pauljacobs8810
@pauljacobs8810 Жыл бұрын
Does Jim have any idea what he's talking about? One minute he's arguing if Man United have bigger expectations than Brighton then he's asking how much Real Madrid is worth. All over the place
@lloydwaycott8178
@lloydwaycott8178 Жыл бұрын
''Hey Jim, what's your opinion on such and such?'' ''I don't know, what do most fans think? I'll think that too.''
@TheNightMammoth
@TheNightMammoth Жыл бұрын
He's right on the business aspect bviously but continues to dodge the point that the goal of football is to win, and United have won almost nothing in the last 10 years because of the Glazers. Yes Boehly wants to see a return on investment, and yes petro states want to sports wash their reputations, but they all see winning as the way to do that.
@paulbright821
@paulbright821 Жыл бұрын
The real blame at man United was the previous owners to the Glazers. I have seen many businesses bought and sold, owners should have a responsibility to sell to someone that will do the right things for that business which may not always be the highest bidder. The financing for the club should have been looked at in that they should have said no to anyone who needed to buy something with credit in that way as clearly the business would be paying back the debt not the new owners so you are making the future of the business suffer. The club is more than just assets, their is a brand here and so the fans who love that club deserve to see it treated right. The sale should never have gone ahead, once the glazers had it of course they were going to suck money from it as they are commercial people and not real lovers of the club or even football
@thedreamer3454
@thedreamer3454 Жыл бұрын
One element simion is ignoring is they are banking on utd holding it's value. As we have seen businesses don't always do that. If Newcastle, Chelsea and spurs overtake them results and performance wise it's gonna be hard to maintain this icon status and value
@user-dq6se6er8j
@user-dq6se6er8j Жыл бұрын
Spurs?! LMAO
@OfficialINZ
@OfficialINZ Жыл бұрын
United has been rubbish on the field for over 10 years and their brand has grown exponentially in that period. If they start winning, it will be a problem for everyone. Their brand dwarves all other brands in football bar 1 or 2
@01mrlek
@01mrlek Жыл бұрын
What a load of tosh
@thedreamer3454
@thedreamer3454 Жыл бұрын
@@user-dq6se6er8j as much as spurs sometimes is a joke their structure and infrastructure is sustainable. If sold they are easily highly attractive and have a foundation for success. Utd need so much done due to the neglect it's literally living off its brand. Stadium, training facilities, youth academy, assets and recovery management all need rebuilding. It's a massive job.
@thedreamer3454
@thedreamer3454 Жыл бұрын
@@OfficialINZ agreed but what you are admitting is they are living off their brand. That will only last for so long. Attitudes and legacy gets forgotten QUICK. Especially in this era. Also their brand is in line with growth of the Premier league.
@laurenceobrien1402
@laurenceobrien1402 Жыл бұрын
How can he say that United are the biggest club in the world with 3 European cups to their name?? Real Madrid have 14 and have consistently attracted the greatest players in history to play for them Puskas, Di Stefano, Raul, Zidane, R9, CR7 the list goes on and on Barcelona the same....United are the biggest brand in the world
@twyscape
@twyscape Жыл бұрын
Simple economics. The value of something is what somebody is willing to pay for it.
@JohnDoe-zd9xq
@JohnDoe-zd9xq Жыл бұрын
Supply and demand. If noone wants to buy then your argument is irrelevant
@BringBackOle
@BringBackOle Жыл бұрын
"self entitled fans" 🤦‍♂ our own stadium is falling apart all we ask is a owner that will invest in fixing the club so the club can run it’s self.
@hippocritic
@hippocritic Жыл бұрын
Football has peaked. It's going to go the same way as the music industry and the film industry. Piracy will kill the revenue stream. It's coming down the track.
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 Жыл бұрын
People have been saying this for 39 years.
@aminebahlouli2060
@aminebahlouli2060 Жыл бұрын
in their pea in 2009, Cristiano Ronaldo left Manchester united to join Real madrid that did not cross 16 round of champions league for many years, there is no world in which Manchester united is compared to Real Madrid
@cronaldomufcfan7
@cronaldomufcfan7 Жыл бұрын
You clearly don’t know much about football.
@Pad13
@Pad13 Жыл бұрын
To compare house mortgages to buying Manchester United with huge debt is ludicrous. If someone else was paying my mortgage whilst I watched my house appreciate in value then I could begin to see Simon’s point of view. Some times he just loves to flap his gums.
@philthornton1382
@philthornton1382 Жыл бұрын
Never heard of buy to let?
@Primitive01
@Primitive01 Жыл бұрын
Why would someone else need to pay it for you? The debt is on the club, not the Glazers.. The club generates cash and pays it’s debt, you go to work, you generate cash and you pay your debt.. The club isn’t paying off a debt the Glazers have, it’s paying off a debt it has..
@biggy3rd
@biggy3rd Жыл бұрын
In simple terms, if United is put up for sale right now the share price will shoot up again.
@georgedavies-ball657
@georgedavies-ball657 Жыл бұрын
@@Primitive01 that’s exactly his point. United are paying off the debt for the Glazers, as opposed to you going to work to pay off your own debts i.e. a mortgage, which was Simon’s example.
@georgedavies-ball657
@georgedavies-ball657 Жыл бұрын
@@philthornton1382 I suppose the difference is the tenant isn’t forced to be there paying the debt. United fans and the club as a whole have no choice.
@tomrolph7184
@tomrolph7184 Жыл бұрын
Is the business not listed on the stock exchange for everyday people to buy and sell? If it is, then a drastic shift in the stock price does effect everyday people buying and selling shares. Simon is addressing the impact on the Glazers and not taking into account the large number of normal people who own shares
@fitnesstrainer9393
@fitnesstrainer9393 Жыл бұрын
It works on supply and demand though. Those other shareholders can just not sell their stock. You aren't forced to sell any stock even if you are a minority holder. The stock price dropped because that is what the market currently thinks its value is. As soon as the glazers consider selling, the market will think its going up. The price of the stock means nothing outside of an outsider estimate at what the club is worth at this moment of time
@apk4381
@apk4381 Жыл бұрын
The only people that matter are the majority shareholders. Not Bob and Deidre with their 4.5 shares for retirement.
@TomBerishaj
@TomBerishaj Жыл бұрын
No, the class B shares that the Glazers hold are not available on the stock exchange. This is why Sheik Jassim is negotiating with the Glazers and not just buying the club via the stock exchange.
@MRAPEXPREDATOR1
@MRAPEXPREDATOR1 Жыл бұрын
Simon doesn’t understand,the issue is they have put the club in a ridiculous amount of debt. You can’t just say that’s business. That’s the argument. Their wasn’t any debt until they turned up. Anybody would be angry that their club has been put in debt, and never any intention of paying it off.
@Obsessedbybeauty
@Obsessedbybeauty Жыл бұрын
If the business is worth 6billion, 500 million is nothing.
@MikeMUFC91
@MikeMUFC91 Жыл бұрын
Manchester United would sell for far more money than Real Madrid if they both went on sale tomorrow. Simply because of the commercial aspect of being in the Premier League. The share price is irrelevant.
@haamulubechooka6908
@haamulubechooka6908 Жыл бұрын
Danny Murphy looks lost, can't argue with Simon's sharp brainy arguments
@fadyNUFC
@fadyNUFC Жыл бұрын
Hes right but will effedt ffp and player bids
@PedroPorridge
@PedroPorridge Жыл бұрын
Greedy greedy Glazers stole our money and bankrupted the club
@mnemonija
@mnemonija Жыл бұрын
What money? The club is still there, and even if it goes bankrupt, you can always register another one with the same name and start again from the lower divisions…
@PedroPorridge
@PedroPorridge Жыл бұрын
Greedy greedy Glazers
@markcooper5595
@markcooper5595 Жыл бұрын
In hindsight I Bet Mike Ashley wished he’d have stuck a few zeros on the end of Newcastles asking price when he sold it
@johnm506
@johnm506 Жыл бұрын
How thick is Jim White 😂😂
@petermarshall9162
@petermarshall9162 Жыл бұрын
The previous owners would buy the best players and still make a profit. The glazers didn't spend any of their own money when buying players overall the buying increase the debt they put on the club, which we didn't have before the glazers the servicing of the debt has hindered our purchasing especially this year we have had to sell to buy never in all the years have we had to depend on selling player's to get player's in so much so we have missed out on player's such as Kim min jae, lavia, kane I have a supporter since 1986 Simon seems to be part of the owners union he would probably say the glazers are better owners than the previous owners
@9Fortu
@9Fortu Жыл бұрын
No, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Liverpool, Barcelona, Juventud, AC Milan are ahead of Man United by far.
@davidsmart494
@davidsmart494 Жыл бұрын
Glazers out.. Plunge the stock
@pauladavies7136
@pauladavies7136 Жыл бұрын
As a Utd fan, I agree with Simon's explanation. It's a business - but the Glazers have made football success a secondary issue
@gregoryiszchak9092
@gregoryiszchak9092 Жыл бұрын
"That's not the only reason. Hehe" Sounds like David Brent
@duckypresents
@duckypresents Жыл бұрын
Danny Murphy having a nice little draw around 6 minutes.
@MortenHjrnevik-ti6sg
@MortenHjrnevik-ti6sg Жыл бұрын
Simon is right….share price is simply a measurement a guide and not the true value. Things are worth what people are willing to pay
@bensouthwell1339
@bensouthwell1339 Жыл бұрын
the value of a company is the value of every share in said company on any given day i.e. the *market cap* People will buy shares if available at the lower price until the market reacts to substantial buying of said shares and then it becomes supply and demand. So keep nibbling away and you could buy a chunk of Man United on the cheap and if lucky enough to own seven percent or more of the *market cap* you can under USA law have a seat on the board now that would be interesting.
@tyroneraman6395
@tyroneraman6395 Жыл бұрын
Share price only matters to current investors. You can buy on a low price and capitalise on it but who the hell in their right mind will bank on Manure bouncing back.
@bodega1515
@bodega1515 Жыл бұрын
Football is a business. Why is it so hard for people to understand? It's no longer your club now it belongs to Middle Eastern sheikhs and US based investment groups. Might as well change the name of the club to McDonalds United. Might bring in some extra dividend.
@markc266
@markc266 Жыл бұрын
The share price has gone up and down every day since United were listed and its never had this much scrutiny before 🤣
@lagofala
@lagofala Жыл бұрын
Dont hate the player, hate the game.
@zaki9987
@zaki9987 Жыл бұрын
If anyone involved in simple trade he'll understand what Simon is saying, people already offered 6b so that's the standard now because people were actually willing to pay that amount (real value)
@TomsDinosaurOpinion
@TomsDinosaurOpinion Жыл бұрын
Danny is watching and learning from Simon. Smart! Whilst Jim only understands a paystub.
@spark556
@spark556 Жыл бұрын
Glad United won't get that filthy oil money 🙌
@thedreamer3454
@thedreamer3454 Жыл бұрын
Simion is missing out that their current price of 5 billion is on the premise of them actually being successful again and their brand. That is the ceiling.... If it wasn't they would have pulled the plug already. I think it's them postering...
@matthancock260
@matthancock260 Жыл бұрын
It’s because they always find someone to blame. A scapegoat. It’s not like they haven’t spend loads of money. Their fans need to stop living under the Fergie era and know their place now. Most of this generation only sees Man Utd as a club battling for top 4
@cronaldomufcfan7
@cronaldomufcfan7 Жыл бұрын
United is suppose to be challenging for the biggest trophies every season. It’s not some midtable club. This family has destroyed the club from top to bottom. They have put a billion pound of debt on the club and they take the revenue out. Leaving the stadium, training facilities etc in a very poor state. United should be up there with clubs like Real Madrid and Bayern. How are we spoiled if we want a decent owner that won’t bleed the club dry and someone that has respect for the club.
@brechmandj476
@brechmandj476 Жыл бұрын
We spend our own money not their money. Also your opinion is irrelevant if you are not a fan @matthancock260
@qg1235
@qg1235 Жыл бұрын
So what?? Since 2014, you have the highest net spend in world football of all clubs. Ten Hag's net spend in one year is more than what Klopp's is in eight years ffs. If you were winning titles and challenging every season at the top, you wouldn't care less about the training ground being in bad shape or it needing a better cafe. Stop complaining, your problem is awful recruitment (thanks to the managers mostly) and nothing else. The Glazers aren't sitting there deciding to sign dross like Antony for £82m, that was Ten Hag! @@brechmandj476
@jamiiiedee3196
@jamiiiedee3196 Жыл бұрын
This comment is always the most uneducated surface level opinion leveraged against the fans and it’s starting to get boring
@thewatcher08
@thewatcher08 Жыл бұрын
Already from your argument.. You don't understand why United fans are protesting against the Glazers.. It's not Scapegoatism... There is a fundamental issue with how they are running the club it's more than just transfer fees.. Your being lazy with your logic.
@jamiecummings9666
@jamiecummings9666 Жыл бұрын
Stupid prices for a football club 2.5 billion for Chelsea why.
@PharmacyAve
@PharmacyAve Жыл бұрын
United is NOT in the conversation with Real Madrid (14 cl titles)
@diddyxl
@diddyxl Жыл бұрын
It's about brand, global reach, financial juggernauts. If there were a crown with jewels, United would be center right of Madrid.
@juanperezpaniagua3601
@juanperezpaniagua3601 Жыл бұрын
@@diddyxl Madrid is way above them in that matter too. Bayern Liverpool Barcelona are also bigger, and I'd say some other clubs are bigger than man utd
@cosmicbaggy9637
@cosmicbaggy9637 Жыл бұрын
when was the last time ferrari won a f1 constructors championship?
@ConstantinoHaza
@ConstantinoHaza Жыл бұрын
Barcelona fans don't protest because the club is fan owned, and the presidents that ran it into debt are gone. It's a different ball game to Man Utd
@adamgillaspy1
@adamgillaspy1 Жыл бұрын
So Simon bought Crystal palace as a fan he has always said, but basically he bought it as a business mind set to make money, why else would you buy a business/football team??
@nungiceman
@nungiceman Жыл бұрын
To say the share price is irrelevant is absolutely stupid. There's always a discount on what the company is worth and the price of the share. Even if the company is worth 100 billion pounds, the share price will never reflect that. The share price reflects what the general public thinks it's worth and is willing to invest in. It's irrelevant only in the sense that the owner isn't selling, but the share price is a reflection of how the company is performing at the moment and how it will perform in the future. To say Man United is Ferrari is a bit of a stretch. They definitely were, but they're fast becoming Maserati. Huge name, but no one can get it right or run it properly. Man United not being able to find the right manager, is absolutely down to the owner and the board. They're not hiring the right person for the job, so of course, the results would reflect that. A company's success is always directly related to the people up top. No company in the history of mankind has succeeded with an incompetent owner and board. The fact that, after Fergie, almost every manager that was hired played a different brand of football. You never see Ajax, Barcelona play or teach a different type of football, even Arsenal always sticks to a particular brand of football.
@BruvvaUK
@BruvvaUK Жыл бұрын
I wont lie I had no idea wtf they were talking about hahahahahahahahahaha
@Ukman-england
@Ukman-england Жыл бұрын
Poor Danny I should of rang in sick today I only studied how to kick a ball this is to stressful 😅
@atifmirza696
@atifmirza696 Жыл бұрын
The share price could go down to $1 it means nothing. Man Utd will be sold more than its worth on paper end of. The only way the glazers may be pressured to sell is if there was literally a riot at old trafford and the offices/stadium/carrington are damaged and destroyed to a huge extent. Then and only then sponsors may distance themselves and maybe some pressure to sell. However man utd has so many fans that will just fill the seats.
@d-law868
@d-law868 Жыл бұрын
Usually we fans get to hear ex players speak and having a former owner is so much more refreshing, what a gem he is mr Jordan ✅
@RIP_Milhouse
@RIP_Milhouse Жыл бұрын
Market value has no impact upon intrinsic value.
@gaziibabaa
@gaziibabaa Жыл бұрын
People are selling stock because they aren’t confident of the Glazers. Simon Jordan was a shite owner.
@Cratisthense
@Cratisthense Жыл бұрын
Real Madrid are a bigger club than united not even a question
@TheGeneralMod
@TheGeneralMod Жыл бұрын
The reason Man United are the biggest club in the world (IN MY OPINION!), is because despite being mediocore for so long and doing nothing in Europe's Top competition for a decade plus now.... They still make so much damn money and bring in top players.
@jamiecummings9666
@jamiecummings9666 Жыл бұрын
The most iconic bed sheet writer's.
@tartantam1927
@tartantam1927 Жыл бұрын
Danny so sick realising a Man Utd is a giant 😂😂😂
@magpies77
@magpies77 Жыл бұрын
Glazers out board the windows up on the dump instead
@AndrewBerryman101
@AndrewBerryman101 Жыл бұрын
Possibly one of the most frustrating conversations to listen to. You essentially have 11 mins of Jim completely failing to grasp how business works.
@derred723
@derred723 Жыл бұрын
Fact is the stock was inflated due to speculators so it fell back to what it was before. And the Share price is not the value of a company. Football people don't get business.
@vantheman1238
@vantheman1238 Жыл бұрын
Simon Jordan at his best. Jordan knows business and he is extremely clever and knowledgeable when discussing football. When it comes to boxing my opinion changes; however, on football and the business of football clubs the man is very good and extremely interesting to listen too.
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