I've always thought the same thing about Simon. When he throws 400' it looks like the same amount of effort as when I throw 150'.
@discgolfgage3 жыл бұрын
Now this is incredible. I don't think any other channel has given this many examples of professional disc golf form from so many different angles. Really really great for the community and the growth of the sport.
@67Usswede3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful photography, Simons fluid motion is so smooth he makes it look so easy and graceful. If this was ballet, Simon would be Mikhail Baryshnikov and I am the bull in the china store :)
@ShallShallShall3 жыл бұрын
You guys are the BOMB!!! I was waiting for a video like that for a very long time. Wealths of info just by observing! Thanks so much for sharing and glad Simon was on board with this.
@catchingcabbage50563 жыл бұрын
I feel I'm going to learn quite a bit from this channel! What I'd love to see is Calvin Heimburg putting form in slow mo.
@hascupbrayden3091 Жыл бұрын
I heard they are doing a Nikko one. But they are still waiting for him to finish putting.
@awwitsHurts Жыл бұрын
@@hascupbrayden3091 ok man best comment u won
@austinrmoser3 жыл бұрын
Main thing I noticed which I never did before is how he doesnt change the pattern of his steps from distance to distance, he just takes faster and longer strides when throwing further and shorter, slower strides when throwing shorter. But the actual pattern of the runup is consistent throughout, at least until he throws max distance at which point he adds 2 extra momentum building steps, but then the rest is the same
@smegge1003 жыл бұрын
Also the planting of the last step is different in power shots
@bobbysaldana1808 Жыл бұрын
It kinda looks like he changes the angle of his run up. HyZer he runs straight at the disc. Flat he comes in at a little angle to the disc and anhyzer he comes in more of a angle to the disc.
@jakobwest48113 жыл бұрын
I've watched every Simon form video that exists. Im so glad to see a super detail and high quality one to just use for a reference now. Thanks to Simon I'm at the point where I can throw about 450, but man it does not look so clean. This is definitely going to help me study to squeeze out that extra distance!
@tumyli303 жыл бұрын
Playing this next time on repeat in the background at a dinner party 🎶
@CodiTheJedi3 жыл бұрын
This post and the one from drew are helping me clean up my form immensely. It really is much appreciated that you guys are pushing out this kind of content in a more consumable way. These have helped me stop reaching back early and now I allow my left arm drive/rotate before the right arm hits peak reachback to continue the pedulum of momentum.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure
@JustaDudeTryinToLearnPiano3 жыл бұрын
Jeeeeeez Louise so if you slow it down to 1/2 speed @2:08 - 2:10 he holds his disc on an anhyzer angle for so long during his pull through, then when it’s already almost in front of his body, his wrist snaps it down into a hyzer angle basically when he’s already extending his arm. That’s mind blowing to me, that’s gotta take some serious time/effort/natural ability to master something like that
@brettbuttars27923 жыл бұрын
From watching this video I really need to keep my eye on the target 90% of the time through my throw and pay more attention to my walk up angle and make sure it’s correct for the throw I want to make. Great stuff!!!! The slow mo helped me get a better mental picture of correct form.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Mission accomplished
@Postermaestro2 жыл бұрын
good takeaway
@hiddenleaf414 Жыл бұрын
Well keep in mind this is mainly for throws where he is not full extending back. If you keep your head looking forward during a full extension it will prevent your shoulders from being able to fully rotate with your hips.
@baldjustice3933 жыл бұрын
There is no other Simon lizotte style throw in DISCGOLF!!! You can tell this man has burned how to throw a disc into his brain and muscle memory! Thank you very much for this I've always wanted to see what he does in slow motion because I think he has one of the best Styles disc golf!
@jasonphillips38172 жыл бұрын
Man, that 350 ft. flat throw is my dream form. Going to try for the next year to mimic that exactly.
@Moon-x863 жыл бұрын
Absolutely effortless form. It is crazy how he makes my bombs (350 feet) look like casually tossing a frisbee in the park. Great content, thanks guys!
@alvindalida62403 жыл бұрын
The putting form is an awesome addition! Keep up the awesome work. Need to get Drew back in so we can all learn how to hit 70' bangers!
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
We've got Drew's putts in the compilation
@alvindalida62403 жыл бұрын
Shoot you’re right! I even rewatched it am still missed it. The [chapters] are a great addition! 😅😅
@lwswong13 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. It would also be nice to see putts from different distances similar to the field shots. Would be cool to understand differences between their 25 footer Vs 50 footer for example where I think Simon still isn't jump putting but generating a lot more power and spin on his putt than the 25.
@emersonsteinke25503 жыл бұрын
@@lwswong1 watch simon’s 10’ putter challenge on his channel to watch his form develop from 10’- 120’ and beyond.
@paytenholcombe2723 жыл бұрын
Josh, this video is great!! I love the different views - it gives a nice overall picture of what Simon is doing. So smooth!!!
@golflife26923 жыл бұрын
Wow, Simon throws so effortlessly. It is quite amazing, thanks Simon. Now to you guys at OT Disc Golf, such vivid clear images and coving all the angles, you guys do great work, so hats off to you. Always looking forward to your next post.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@5th-Season2 жыл бұрын
this video is awesome. I was looking for this exact type of video, and somehow you guys already made it! great work!
@michaelhoyle32663 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your form breakdown video that I soon hope follows this. Simon makes all of this look so smooth and effortless.
@milesmaner3 жыл бұрын
Top notch content. Form as smooth as the tunes.
@sceneitallwithjeffandjon6984 Жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for all the angles and the throw variety! I'll have to open this video side by side with itself to study the release angles relative to each other. Can't wait!
@outandabout2592 жыл бұрын
Simon looks ao effortless that I am trying to copy his form at the moment, I am glad to find this video! It's cool how the length of his reachback depends on the speed of his run-up, faster run-up = longer steps = longer reachback.
@mightypensword2 жыл бұрын
I don't have the right words for how good this video is. Thanks.
@FrisbeeFeverRovereto3 жыл бұрын
Awesome content, for both the filming and throws! Thanks for sharing.
@jibbs07703 жыл бұрын
You guys are killing it !! So rewarding to watch this channel blow up!
@smegge1003 жыл бұрын
Love this! Its all in the subtle details that you can't see in real speed 😃 Thanks
@Javaman922 жыл бұрын
This is almost perfect! I say almost because it would take having the full speed throws to compare that aspect of the throw to make them perfect.
@Yelbomsirhc13 жыл бұрын
The motion is so smooth and integrated that it is for me the Platonic ideal form. No wasted, excess motion. Look at how the shoulders/hips move. Never tilting in weird ways that don't help the throw, etc. Also there is a lot of wrist pop/snap/fore-arm acceleration, like cracking a whip, right at the end of the throw motion. When I look at videos of myself I see all kinds of ways that I am making body movements that really make no sense. Also note that at shorter distances he intentionally throws nose up for a softer shot that comes in gently to the target.
@ZealousPawn2 жыл бұрын
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Stuck around 350-375 and making it look way harder than Simon :D
@broheme89223 жыл бұрын
Overhead view is great - it shows a few details easily missed in the other views.
@_Joy_Unleashed3 жыл бұрын
If I had to choose between watching Simon or Drew on OTDG it'd be a tough call. Solution - loop em both on separate devices as constant background and just soak in their near perfect forms, sling after sling....it really is all about the feel..well, coupled with precise instruction by Josh of course 😜
@theOcean413 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this series... Great work and keep it up!!!
@stoneybrookjoe3 жыл бұрын
I love how Simon uses his left hand to make sure the disc stays aligned with the center of his body till the left leg crosses behind the right leg on the cross over step. If you are taking suggestions for who you would do next I would love to see Paige Pearce. Great job guys.
@justmike15willdo3 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic content. Get as many pros as you can to do this, I'd watch all of them.
@buddharmt3 жыл бұрын
I almost got sad cause I wasn't sure you'd do the 360° then there it was thanks for the awesomeness folks. Much love from canada
@frankdouglas81462 жыл бұрын
These are brilliant. Great job.
@CentralOSurvival3 жыл бұрын
Sooo dope! Thanks guys!! Simon is by far my fav!
@wilfredoriverajr. Жыл бұрын
this was such a great watch.
@missle1253 жыл бұрын
One thing I find interesting and also would like more analysis on is the angles from the top down view. Angle of run up, angle of "pull through", angle of flight line verses those two, etc. Is there a best practice we can get from this or some rough form rules we can develop from this? Like when he is throwing a power flat line, draw a line on the top of his head from start to finish for the run up. Then do the same for the "pull through" angle and the same for the flight angle from leaving his hand to as it leave the frame. Its interesting to see the lines all of these make and the angle differences between them. The top down view on these throws are rare and underrated in the form world imo. It really makes you realize how complex the disc golf drive is.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
I plan on diving into all of these topics! Just have to have the time to sit down and record
@nicholasboucher40713 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I really hope to see a right arm study on his footage like we saw with Gibson. They look equally effortless and so exact and consistent, but there are some interesting differences that I'd love to hear about.
@mad851233 жыл бұрын
Simon looks more effortless than Gibson.
@nicholasboucher40713 жыл бұрын
@@mad85123 yeah it almost looks a little more.. casual? Or wide? Drew has this really tight compression before the pull through and Simon's is different. There is a little more space.
@harrisc20933 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasboucher4071 yeah, casual is the word. Drew looks like a karate master and simon looks like a dancer. Both with equally awesome results.
@nicholasboucher40713 жыл бұрын
@@harrisc2093 well said!
@austinrmoser3 жыл бұрын
Like Harrison said, Drew is very precise and extremely explosive, Simon is more loose and momentum driven. It also helps that Simon is freakishly tall at 6ft 7
@derfox7773 жыл бұрын
The angle at which he approaches each shot is wild. I've always tried to approach a shot mostly straight, and that's obviously wrong now. Great video.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
He’s approaching each line straight. Since he is throwing to the same target he has to adjust the angle of his walk up to take flight path into consideration.
@chuckcole3 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I noticed this as well 'cause it's something that I'm struggling with (and thanks for putting the discs on the ground to really get this perspective). I seemed to be pulling my throws to the right, so I adjusted my run-up to be more of an angle. What I'd prefer to do though is fix the pulling 'cause it just seems as though adjusting the run-up angle was putting a band-aid on bad form. That said, I believe Drew's run-up was more at an angle than Simon's, although I'd probably have to go back and review to confirm.
@JazzInATinCan3 жыл бұрын
1: Really good content, thanks a bunch again. 2: One thing I would find interesting is to have different players spread their hand out and see if the difference in length of fingers on their hand has an influence on how they grip - an where their pivot-point is. If there is a pattern to fe found. It took me forever to find out that my index finger messes up my pitov & release.
@billyfairbank3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Very informative but chill. 👏🏻
@Vanbulance893 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love it! You guys are the best!
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ethantucker62393 жыл бұрын
His form is effortless. I love the multiple angles we get to see. Side note...at 450ft you have the 'Anhyzer' graphic for the flat release :).
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
Oh no. Lol my bad. Probably not worth fixing that one thing but that may end up being annoying lol 😆
@shawnkimball50193 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I saw this, too. Thought "huh, his run up isn't as angled as I expected. oh, he shanked that anny...wait, no he didn't, that was a flat shot. Never mind. He's perfect." Haha.
@sacawiid62813 жыл бұрын
Awesome been waiting for this one, thanks guys!
@brandong45763 жыл бұрын
I watched this video and I went from throwing about 320 to effortlessly getting over 500 feet on a standstill, thank u
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
Yesss
@RockCh4lk2 жыл бұрын
His backswing on the 350' flat shot is eye-opening. 350' is my golf distance, requiring a full backswing. I probably need to focus on shortening my backswing while I work on my off-arm and weight transfer.
@TheCookiechris3 жыл бұрын
Totally awesome footage!!!
@jakewilliams7363 жыл бұрын
Amazing content. So satisfying to watch.....Whippity whip. Snappity snap.
@samibberg1053 жыл бұрын
Smooth thrower on a smooth talker channel! 😀
@MarkOates23 жыл бұрын
great clips, man thank you
@ryanmorgan67183 жыл бұрын
Ok, so maybe this is a question for Simon, but what is that little thing his right hand does right at the start of the pull-through? Maybe we all do that...? eg: 2:40 exactly
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
My opinion is that happens because his left shoulder drives forward and yoinks his arm forward while the wrist is loose. Like how your head goes back when press the gas pedal in your car.
@ryanmorgan67183 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thanks for the explanation! Here's to future yoinking.
@albertoquagliaroli42303 жыл бұрын
Great, really great series! A lot of stuff also for players like me: poor eternal beginner.👍 Thanks, even I, had noticed that 'anhyzer'😁
@reesemanikowski91823 жыл бұрын
Good stuff 👍. Ever plan to do something similar with a forehand dominant player? Seems like technique discussion around forehands is fairly limited compared to backhand and would be an interesting deep dive
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
For sure! We've just got to find one that is FH dominant and wants to work with us
@harrisc20933 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I feel like Big Jerm would be the obvious choice.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
@@harrisc2093 That would be sick
@vcocciolone3 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Scott Stokely has very good FH. Seemingly effortless over 500'... and not injured from it after many years ;-)
@harrisc20933 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf yeah for sure. Hit him up on instagram, he seems pretty active there. Maybe ask Drew or Simon to put in a good word?
@austinrmoser3 жыл бұрын
His putt just opened my eyes in a whole new way, he doesnt pre curl his wrist and then try to snap it out, his wrist is relatively straight, but relaxed and then as he putts it curls and snaps all on it's own because of the momentum, exactly like a backhand or forehand. It's about being loose and letting the movement of the other body parts create the whip
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
I went frame by frame noticing the same thing. My putt needs help lol
@austinrmoser3 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf so does mine, I took, and this isnt an exaggeration, 21 extra strokes in the last sanctioned tourny I played because of missed circle 1 putts, nerves plus already poor putting is not a good combo lmao
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
@@austinrmoser oh I believe it because I’ve lived it
@austinrmoser3 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf it's a struggle out here 😔, worst part is the rest of my game was on, but that dang putting 😂
@jakobwest48113 жыл бұрын
This is something I actually just realized 2 days ago in my backyard. I was practicing and just not being consistent and I thought about *why* I moved my arm and hand down and then up and something instantly clicked in my brain "its a whip just like your back hand". Man, I haven't really figured it out yet, but there is a lot more spin on my putts now. Hope you stop missing those C1 putts bud!
@Sethyfisher2 жыл бұрын
lovin it guys
@tuomasrytilahti2473 жыл бұрын
For more seasoned players that doesn't have problem with distance but accuracy, note how his head turns in which throws! I've tried to learn this exact the past year and right now hyzers have been dialed and score lowered by alot
@OkieTradez2 жыл бұрын
i feel like i owe you $100 bucks for doing this.. Thanks big time man!
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 жыл бұрын
Haha. Keep your money. Unless you want to buy stuff from our Shopify.
@dwmichaels3 жыл бұрын
insane how easy it looks!
@bustatron Жыл бұрын
Masterful
@nickshinsou3 жыл бұрын
Another great video, thanks! Is there any chance of another upload with full frame views of the individual throws? I'd love to be able to full screen zoom in on the side views
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
Yep! We plan on it
@newsYk Жыл бұрын
@Overthrow Disc Golf how much have you slowed original video (times x?) ? I would love to compare to my form, but it is hard to get the videos to the same speed. Would really appreciate :)
@OverthrowDiscGolf Жыл бұрын
From 120 to 23.98fps
@yggyking10 Жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Do you mean from 120 to 30 fps? If I right click on the video and select "Stats for nerds" it indicates that this is a 30 fps video. Thanks!
@seabas223 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@laceylaw77452 жыл бұрын
Would love to see the difference between him or any pro hyzer flipping versus throwing a spike hyzer. Feels like the release point would look different.
@discgolfallday86433 жыл бұрын
INSTANT classic!
@DeterPinklage2 жыл бұрын
450 anhyzer text was in there twice. Once for the flat throw
@themusketeer94582 жыл бұрын
Question. For shorter throws he doesnt reach out as far. Would it also work to reach out as normal, but just do a slower movement? Like slow the rotation down? This way, having the same movement everytime just varying the speed of it. Or do you lose the snap this way?
@thebeckerm3 жыл бұрын
That's great content. Productionwise i would probably not float the 'Putt' and 'Jump putt' texts on top of your logo in the future. White text on a white logo makes it unreadable, but i'm guessing that was missed during editing. Still production quality was top notch, much appreciated!
@jacobmcgeediscgolf51752 жыл бұрын
What’s the song you use?
@TheRealAbrahamLincoln3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff.
@HammerFitness13 жыл бұрын
The left arm is what is getting me. It is obviously an active mover in the torso rotation/transfer of weight from left-right leg, but I just cannot seem to find the ROM of that left arm. I can push it through all day long, it always *feels* awkward while acknowledging that there will be some non-awkward ROM that the left arm can go through. Idk, tips on the left arm would be helpful Here's an idea; let's find sports where the left arm is involved in some way like it is with disc golf.
@DJ-Equations3 жыл бұрын
So freaking fluid
@sandywells84193 жыл бұрын
Fantastic producton!!!! Would love to see a Paige equivalent.
@Beeray113 жыл бұрын
That's it. OTDG is Goated.
@armandocharles9020 Жыл бұрын
Can you please make a video about him not running up from left to right on his hyzer shots?🙏🥺
@carloslandoltmarticorena6933 жыл бұрын
super content.
@whoispetesake3 жыл бұрын
As always great video! Just wondering what the music credits were?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
The outro music is a song by Sunny Fruit he made specifically for us.
@whoispetesake3 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf did they make the music that was playing while Simon was throwing?
@tillman403 жыл бұрын
And it seems Simon has a different tight woods tee throw also
@toddkauk60993 жыл бұрын
My favourite form
@futurekine.3 жыл бұрын
Ahhhhh das nice. Safety meeting at 4:20. Chee!
@videosverigenu46213 жыл бұрын
I think it's so hard to get the clean pullthrough when throwing anhyzer 😔 feels too herky jerky
@markhumphrey8894 Жыл бұрын
His shoulder turn is so subtly. Kind of like a baseball swing shoulder turn. In baseball you don't turn 90* with your back to the incoming ball. I've been trying to do a 90* with every shot regardless of distance and I'm not as smooth as the 45* shoulder turn. Hmm. He's showing us something here. Nice and compact. Kind of like Sepo Paju.
@trip2fan8453 жыл бұрын
Suggestion: I think the bottom left is the most useful angle. Consider moving that one to the right side so it's larger.
@AlwaysDunnRight3 жыл бұрын
Woops, 3:54 typo says anhyzer when its flat
@wildcat317723 жыл бұрын
you didn't by chance ask him about his thumb/first finger pinch pint and pressure?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
I wish I did! I was kicking myself for neglecting that part
@wildcat317723 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf fiddlesticks. Should get a t-shirt for each one of these that just says 'show me how you pinch'
@mikeshevock24952 жыл бұрын
Do you plan to have more of these videos with different pros? I would like to see the form of some of the comparatively smaller pros on tour that throw big distance. Emerson Keith, Mason Ford, etc.
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 жыл бұрын
Yep
@mikeshevock24952 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf awesome!
@yaboi56542 жыл бұрын
4:35 for replays
@ChristopherLoverich3 жыл бұрын
Its amazing that his 450 ft throw clearly looks like he's not using full power. There's pro's who max at that distance.
@stephen533703 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!!
@JazzInATinCan3 жыл бұрын
Are there side-arm form videos coming up as well ? And maybe over-the-trees-grenade-roller-to-the-pin ? (this one was no serious, just something a saw in a tournament yesterday and was like what)
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
It just so happens that the two people we had don’t throw sidearm. If we get someone who throws sidearm then we will for sure get it.
@JazzInATinCan3 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf That makes a lot of sense. Very grateful!
@Ares33-333 жыл бұрын
I’m only upset that I can’t like this video more than once!
@wilfredoriverajr. Жыл бұрын
the thing that really pops out at me is the way he uses his left arm and shoulder as a post
@Rydal13 жыл бұрын
can you do this with PMB?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
That would be sweet
@outandabout2592 жыл бұрын
Simon seems to always throw at an angle to the right. Hyzer, straight runup, disc goes right. Straight, angled runup, disc goes straight. Anhyzer, really angled runup, disc goes left (but still right of the direction of runup)
@cmlasley3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I did enjoy the quantent. Thank you furry mush.
@smileyboy27003 жыл бұрын
Nice smooth form along with Gibson's. Question: Can I use these form clips to review my form and upload my form review for to KZbin? I don't want any troubles so just asking in case if there's a possibility for it. Just crediting you in the description or adding your logo to form clip to act as a watermark wouldn't work would it? I'm curious :))
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for asking. Email us! It's against KZbin's TOS to download so you'd get whacked just for that.
@smileyboy27003 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I emailed you. Looking forward to your reply :]
@j_t_yang3 жыл бұрын
Is his grip more loose like how you teach or is it firm?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
Wish I had asked. I did ask drew though and he said loose.
@j_t_yang3 жыл бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I'm interested if other pros have a firm grip. Good to know Drew has a loose grip.