Simon Lizotte | Slow Motion Form

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We done messed up... At 3:54 it is obviously a flat shot. Not the anhyzer we have it labeled as. Our fault! We trust you will enjoy it nevertheless.

[@elusivelectron]

Just getting ready to comment that.

[@patrickflanigan951]

Unacceptable man, unacceptable lol

[@anahlyze6406]

Nope, disliking for this reason only. I expect more. :)

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@anahlyze6406 understandable

[@eeor]

how DARE you

[@joeluhlmeyer8626]

Friggin mind boggling how he never has to fully extend his right arm until he's throwing max distance. Most effortless distance out there imo.

[@leevikv]

You really never have to reachback for max distance

[@joonaskuusisto2767]

Seppo Paju and Severi Savinemi have also almost non-existent reachout.

[@vetskunhotelli4193]

@@joonaskuusisto2767 savimäki vai saviniemi?

[@joonaskuusisto2767]

@@vetskunhotelli4193 Menipäs pieleen, kiitti korjauksesta!

[@broheme8922]

I've always thought the same thing about Simon. When he throws 400' it looks like the same amount of effort as when I throw 150'.

[@67Usswede]

Beautiful photography, Simons fluid motion is so smooth he makes it look so easy and graceful. If this was ballet, Simon would be Mikhail Baryshnikov and I am the bull in the china store :)

[@brickuz]

The leafs falling in slow motion adds a very soothing, mellow tone to the clips 🍂🍁

[@harrisc2093]

Effortless. He doesn’t even have a full backswing throwing 350….

[@michaelbarber8388]

Bro like HOW

[@discgolfwes]

it's all in the hips

[@catchingcabbage5056]

I feel I'm going to learn quite a bit from this channel! What I'd love to see is Calvin Heimburg putting form in slow mo.

[@hascupbrayden3091]

I heard they are doing a Nikko one. But they are still waiting for him to finish putting.

[@awwitsHurts]

@@hascupbrayden3091 ok man best comment u won

[@MoonDaGoon-y2j]

Absolutely effortless form. It is crazy how he makes my bombs (350 feet) look like casually tossing a frisbee in the park. Great content, thanks guys!

[@balance_dg]

Playing this next time on repeat in the background at a dinner party 🎶

[@ShallShallShall]

You guys are the BOMB!!! I was waiting for a video like that for a very long time. Wealths of info just by observing! Thanks so much for sharing and glad Simon was on board with this.

[@austinmoser5056]

Main thing I noticed which I never did before is how he doesnt change the pattern of his steps from distance to distance, he just takes faster and longer strides when throwing further and shorter, slower strides when throwing shorter. But the actual pattern of the runup is consistent throughout, at least until he throws max distance at which point he adds 2 extra momentum building steps, but then the rest is the same

[@smegge100]

Also the planting of the last step is different in power shots

[@bobbysaldana1808]

It kinda looks like he changes the angle of his run up. HyZer he runs straight at the disc. Flat he comes in at a little angle to the disc and anhyzer he comes in more of a angle to the disc.

[@jakobwest4811]

I've watched every Simon form video that exists. Im so glad to see a super detail and high quality one to just use for a reference now. Thanks to Simon I'm at the point where I can throw about 450, but man it does not look so clean. This is definitely going to help me study to squeeze out that extra distance!

[@brettbuttars2792]

From watching this video I really need to keep my eye on the target 90% of the time through my throw and pay more attention to my walk up angle and make sure it’s correct for the throw I want to make. Great stuff!!!! The slow mo helped me get a better mental picture of correct form.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yes! Mission accomplished

[@Postermaestro]

good takeaway

[@hiddenleaf414]

Well keep in mind this is mainly for throws where he is not full extending back. If you keep your head looking forward during a full extension it will prevent your shoulders from being able to fully rotate with your hips.

[@JustaDudeTryinToLearnPiano]

Jeeeeeez Louise so if you slow it down to 1/2 speed @2:08 - 2:10 he holds his disc on an anhyzer angle for so long during his pull through, then when it’s already almost in front of his body, his wrist snaps it down into a hyzer angle basically when he’s already extending his arm. That’s mind blowing to me, that’s gotta take some serious time/effort/natural ability to master something like that

[@discgolfgage]

Now this is incredible. I don't think any other channel has given this many examples of professional disc golf form from so many different angles. Really really great for the community and the growth of the sport.

[@wildcat31772]

you didn't by chance ask him about his thumb/first finger pinch pint and pressure?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I wish I did! I was kicking myself for neglecting that part

[@wildcat31772]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf fiddlesticks. Should get a t-shirt for each one of these that just says 'show me how you pinch'

[@_Joy_Unleashed]

If I had to choose between watching Simon or Drew on OTDG it'd be a tough call. Solution - loop em both on separate devices as constant background and just soak in their near perfect forms, sling after sling....it really is all about the feel..well, coupled with precise instruction by Josh of course 😜

[@alvindalida6240]

The putting form is an awesome addition! Keep up the awesome work. Need to get Drew back in so we can all learn how to hit 70' bangers!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We've got Drew's putts in the compilation

[@alvindalida6240]

Shoot you’re right! I even rewatched it am still missed it. The [chapters] are a great addition! 😅😅

[@lwswong1]

This is awesome. It would also be nice to see putts from different distances similar to the field shots. Would be cool to understand differences between their 25 footer Vs 50 footer for example where I think Simon still isn't jump putting but generating a lot more power and spin on his putt than the 25.

[@emersonsteinke2550]

@@lwswong1 watch simon’s 10’ putter challenge on his channel to watch his form develop from 10’- 120’ and beyond.

[@ToddsDiscGolf]

I’m copying Simon but my shots are only going half the distance. Doesn’t make any sense.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yeah. I don’t get it. They should be going just as far

[@mogusaurelius4541]

I know he's been dialing back the speed a bit recently but this is ridiculous

[@jasonphillips3817]

Man, that 350 ft. flat throw is my dream form. Going to try for the next year to mimic that exactly.

[@FrisbeeFeverRovereto]

Awesome content, for both the filming and throws! Thanks for sharing.

[@CodiTheJedi]

This post and the one from drew are helping me clean up my form immensely. It really is much appreciated that you guys are pushing out this kind of content in a more consumable way. These have helped me stop reaching back early and now I allow my left arm drive/rotate before the right arm hits peak reachback to continue the pedulum of momentum.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Our pleasure

[@golflife2692]

Wow, Simon throws so effortlessly. It is quite amazing, thanks Simon. Now to you guys at OT Disc Golf, such vivid clear images and coving all the angles, you guys do great work, so hats off to you. Always looking forward to your next post.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thank you!

[@milesmaner]

Top notch content. Form as smooth as the tunes.

[@5th-Season]

this video is awesome. I was looking for this exact type of video, and somehow you guys already made it! great work!

[@newsYk]

@Overthrow Disc Golf how much have you slowed original video (times x?) ? I would love to compare to my form, but it is hard to get the videos to the same speed. Would really appreciate :)

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

From 120 to 23.98fps

[@yggyking10]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Do you mean from 120 to 30 fps? If I right click on the video and select "Stats for nerds" it indicates that this is a 30 fps video. Thanks!

[@baldjustice393]

There is no other Simon lizotte style throw in DISCGOLF!!! You can tell this man has burned how to throw a disc into his brain and muscle memory! Thank you very much for this I've always wanted to see what he does in slow motion because I think he has one of the best Styles disc golf!

[@stoneybrookjoe]

I love how Simon uses his left hand to make sure the disc stays aligned with the center of his body till the left leg crosses behind the right leg on the cross over step. If you are taking suggestions for who you would do next I would love to see Paige Pearce. Great job guys.

[@JazzInATinCan]

1: Really good content, thanks a bunch again. 2: One thing I would find interesting is to have different players spread their hand out and see if the difference in length of fingers on their hand has an influence on how they grip - an where their pivot-point is. If there is a pattern to fe found. It took me forever to find out that my index finger messes up my pitov & release.

[@seabas22]

Nice!

[@ryanmorgan6718]

Ok, so maybe this is a question for Simon, but what is that little thing his right hand does right at the start of the pull-through? Maybe we all do that...? eg: 2:40 exactly

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

My opinion is that happens because his left shoulder drives forward and yoinks his arm forward while the wrist is loose. Like how your head goes back when press the gas pedal in your car.

[@ryanmorgan6718]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thanks for the explanation! Here's to future yoinking.

[@paytenholcombe272]

Josh, this video is great!! I love the different views - it gives a nice overall picture of what Simon is doing. So smooth!!!

[@markhumphrey8894]

His shoulder turn is so subtly. Kind of like a baseball swing shoulder turn. In baseball you don't turn 90* with your back to the incoming ball. I've been trying to do a 90* with every shot regardless of distance and I'm not as smooth as the 45* shoulder turn. Hmm. He's showing us something here. Nice and compact. Kind of like Sepo Paju.

[@jamesevans7537]

All the videos I watch on form from pros leaves me with a big question I can't figure out... How in the world do these guys generate so much spin on the disc. I get the whole 'snap' idea, but in all the videos I've seen on this legendary 'snap' they have yet to explain it in a way that I can figure out how to do it. I've tried every tip I could find on the matter, but it has me wondering if all the pros get together to laugh at us simple folks for looking for this mythical event.... I am missing something for sure, cause I feel like I should be throwing so much farther than I am..... Some days 300' is not possible, while other times 340' is my average... Personal best on flat ground is up to 413 with no wind, but if I throw every day of the week, 400 is accomplished maybe once in said week. I do field work very often, and just can't get it....

[@hoodrich4375]

Hey OverThrow. Do you, by chance, have this footage in normal speed so I can see Simon's real time tempo moving through his form? I'll pay you for it because I need to use it for training/practice. You can watermark it with Josh's face if you're worried about reposting/content thievery.

[@sandywells8419]

Fantastic producton!!!! Would love to see a Paige equivalent.

[@michaelhoyle3266]

Looking forward to your form breakdown video that I soon hope follows this. Simon makes all of this look so smooth and effortless.

[@davidhios5468]

Something I noticed watching this video;350 foot shots and shorter. Simon starts with his left foot;over350 feet he starts with his right foot.🤔

[@missle125]

One thing I find interesting and also would like more analysis on is the angles from the top down view. Angle of run up, angle of "pull through", angle of flight line verses those two, etc. Is there a best practice we can get from this or some rough form rules we can develop from this? Like when he is throwing a power flat line, draw a line on the top of his head from start to finish for the run up. Then do the same for the "pull through" angle and the same for the flight angle from leaving his hand to as it leave the frame. Its interesting to see the lines all of these make and the angle differences between them. The top down view on these throws are rare and underrated in the form world imo. It really makes you realize how complex the disc golf drive is.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I plan on diving into all of these topics! Just have to have the time to sit down and record

[@broheme8922]

Overhead view is great - it shows a few details easily missed in the other views.

[@armandocharles9020]

Can you please make a video about him not running up from left to right on his hyzer shots?🙏🥺

[@yawn1025]

slowing this down to .25 speed makes the music hella spooky

[@FilipGoc]

How does this have only 87k views. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@jaxonpickett6372]

This is disc golf pornography. And I love it.

[@reesemanikowski9182]

Good stuff 👍. Ever plan to do something similar with a forehand dominant player? Seems like technique discussion around forehands is fairly limited compared to backhand and would be an interesting deep dive

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

For sure! We've just got to find one that is FH dominant and wants to work with us

[@harrisc2093]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I feel like Big Jerm would be the obvious choice.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@harrisc2093 That would be sick

[@vcocciolone]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Scott Stokely has very good FH. Seemingly effortless over 500'... and not injured from it after many years ;-)

[@harrisc2093]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf yeah for sure. Hit him up on instagram, he seems pretty active there. Maybe ask Drew or Simon to put in a good word?

[@RojerLockless]

Oof the repetitive slow motion music got to me lol.

[@themusketeer9458]

Question. For shorter throws he doesnt reach out as far. Would it also work to reach out as normal, but just do a slower movement? Like slow the rotation down? This way, having the same movement everytime just varying the speed of it. Or do you lose the snap this way?

[@DeterPinklage]

450 anhyzer text was in there twice. Once for the flat throw

[@wilfredoriverajr.]

the thing that really pops out at me is the way he uses his left arm and shoulder as a post

[@nicholasboucher4071]

Awesome! I really hope to see a right arm study on his footage like we saw with Gibson. They look equally effortless and so exact and consistent, but there are some interesting differences that I'd love to hear about.

[@mad85123]

Simon looks more effortless than Gibson.

[@nicholasboucher4071]

@@mad85123 yeah it almost looks a little more.. casual? Or wide? Drew has this really tight compression before the pull through and Simon's is different. There is a little more space.

[@harrisc2093]

@@nicholasboucher4071 yeah, casual is the word. Drew looks like a karate master and simon looks like a dancer. Both with equally awesome results.

[@nicholasboucher4071]

@@harrisc2093 well said!

[@austinmoser5056]

Like Harrison said, Drew is very precise and extremely explosive, Simon is more loose and momentum driven. It also helps that Simon is freakishly tall at 6ft 7

[@RockCh4lk]

His backswing on the 350' flat shot is eye-opening. 350' is my golf distance, requiring a full backswing. I probably need to focus on shortening my backswing while I work on my off-arm and weight transfer.

[@outandabout259]

Simon seems to always throw at an angle to the right. Hyzer, straight runup, disc goes right. Straight, angled runup, disc goes straight. Anhyzer, really angled runup, disc goes left (but still right of the direction of runup)

[@HammerFitness1]

The left arm is what is getting me. It is obviously an active mover in the torso rotation/transfer of weight from left-right leg, but I just cannot seem to find the ROM of that left arm. I can push it through all day long, it always *feels* awkward while acknowledging that there will be some non-awkward ROM that the left arm can go through. Idk, tips on the left arm would be helpful Here's an idea; let's find sports where the left arm is involved in some way like it is with disc golf.

[@thebeckerm]

That's great content. Productionwise i would probably not float the 'Putt' and 'Jump putt' texts on top of your logo in the future. White text on a white logo makes it unreadable, but i'm guessing that was missed during editing. Still production quality was top notch, much appreciated!

[@discgolfallday8643]

INSTANT classic!

[@ZealousPawn]

This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Stuck around 350-375 and making it look way harder than Simon :D

[@outandabout259]

Simon looks ao effortless that I am trying to copy his form at the moment, I am glad to find this video! It's cool how the length of his reachback depends on the speed of his run-up, faster run-up = longer steps = longer reachback.

[@Yelbomsirhc1]

The motion is so smooth and integrated that it is for me the Platonic ideal form. No wasted, excess motion. Look at how the shoulders/hips move. Never tilting in weird ways that don't help the throw, etc. Also there is a lot of wrist pop/snap/fore-arm acceleration, like cracking a whip, right at the end of the throw motion. When I look at videos of myself I see all kinds of ways that I am making body movements that really make no sense. Also note that at shorter distances he intentionally throws nose up for a softer shot that comes in gently to the target.

[@aneskymoe2415]

I have about 1/4 of the views on this video by myself. Thanks boys

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Absolutely

[@ChristopherLoverich]

Its amazing that his 450 ft throw clearly looks like he's not using full power. There's pro's who max at that distance.

[@laceylaw7745]

Would love to see the difference between him or any pro hyzer flipping versus throwing a spike hyzer. Feels like the release point would look different.

[@albertoquagliaroli4230]

Great, really great series! A lot of stuff also for players like me: poor eternal beginner.👍 Thanks, even I, had noticed that 'anhyzer'😁

[@tuomasrytilahti247]

For more seasoned players that doesn't have problem with distance but accuracy, note how his head turns in which throws! I've tried to learn this exact the past year and right now hyzers have been dialed and score lowered by alot

[@buddharmt]

I almost got sad cause I wasn't sure you'd do the 360° then there it was thanks for the awesomeness folks. Much love from canada

[@sceneitallwithjeffandjon6984]

Wow, thanks for all the angles and the throw variety! I'll have to open this video side by side with itself to study the release angles relative to each other. Can't wait!

[@Javaman92]

This is almost perfect! I say almost because it would take having the full speed throws to compare that aspect of the throw to make them perfect.

[@NathanMitre]

Comfort-driven. That could be why these were backhand and not sidearm 😏

[@videosverigenu4621]

I think it's so hard to get the clean pullthrough when throwing anhyzer 😔 feels too herky jerky

[@jakewilliams736]

Amazing content. So satisfying to watch.....Whippity whip. Snappity snap.

[@trip2fan845]

Suggestion: I think the bottom left is the most useful angle. Consider moving that one to the right side so it's larger.

[@Precisionmagert]

Notice he slow footwork

[@tillman40]

And it seems Simon has a different tight woods tee throw also

[@austinmoser5056]

His putt just opened my eyes in a whole new way, he doesnt pre curl his wrist and then try to snap it out, his wrist is relatively straight, but relaxed and then as he putts it curls and snaps all on it's own because of the momentum, exactly like a backhand or forehand. It's about being loose and letting the movement of the other body parts create the whip

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I went frame by frame noticing the same thing. My putt needs help lol

[@austinmoser5056]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf so does mine, I took, and this isnt an exaggeration, 21 extra strokes in the last sanctioned tourny I played because of missed circle 1 putts, nerves plus already poor putting is not a good combo lmao

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@austinmoser5056 oh I believe it because I’ve lived it

[@austinmoser5056]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf it's a struggle out here 😔, worst part is the rest of my game was on, but that dang putting 😂

[@jakobwest4811]

This is something I actually just realized 2 days ago in my backyard. I was practicing and just not being consistent and I thought about *why* I moved my arm and hand down and then up and something instantly clicked in my brain "its a whip just like your back hand". Man, I haven't really figured it out yet, but there is a lot more spin on my putts now. Hope you stop missing those C1 putts bud!

[@cmlasley]

Yes, I did enjoy the quantent. Thank you furry mush.

[@dabig77]

Limp wrist before the whip

[@justmike15willdo]

This is fantastic content. Get as many pros as you can to do this, I'd watch all of them.

[@Ares33-33]

I’m only upset that I can’t like this video more than once!

[@wilfredoriverajr.]

this was such a great watch.

[@jacobmcgeediscgolf5175]

What’s the song you use?

[@billyfairbank]

Fantastic video! Very informative but chill. 👏🏻

[@futurekine.]

Ahhhhh das nice. Safety meeting at 4:20. Chee!

[@mightypensword]

I don't have the right words for how good this video is. Thanks.

[@smegge100]

Love this! Its all in the subtle details that you can't see in real speed 😃 Thanks

[@jibbs0770]

You guys are killing it !! So rewarding to watch this channel blow up!

[@videosverigenu4621]

Please do this with more professional players if possible 😃

[@OkieTradez]

i feel like i owe you $100 bucks for doing this.. Thanks big time man!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Haha. Keep your money. Unless you want to buy stuff from our Shopify.

[@colbyschefers9172]

You guys have to do Ezra Aderhold next

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

That’d be sick!

[@theOcean41]

I LOVE this series... Great work and keep it up!!!

[@josueestrada8688]

I know you mention to keep the feet sideways during the x step but it looks like Simon has his foot backwards. Maybe my perspective is off or it’s probably something he got used too.

[@Maniaphobia]

He touched on that in his deep roots disc golf video with one of the guys, in that example he uses eagle but the principle is the same. With higher than normal hip mobility the x step foot being heel forward isn't a problem and adds more hip engagement but for the average disc golfer its more beneficial to keep them in line

[@nickshinsou]

Another great video, thanks! Is there any chance of another upload with full frame views of the individual throws? I'd love to be able to full screen zoom in on the side views

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yep! We plan on it

[@brandong4576]

I watched this video and I went from throwing about 320 to effortlessly getting over 500 feet on a standstill, thank u

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yesss

[@CentralOSurvival]

Sooo dope! Thanks guys!! Simon is by far my fav!

[@AlwaysDunnRight]

Woops, 3:54 typo says anhyzer when its flat

[@MarkOates2]

great clips, man thank you

[@yaboi5654]

4:35 for replays

[@Rydal1]

can you do this with PMB?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

That would be sweet

[@samibberg105]

Smooth thrower on a smooth talker channel! 😀

[@nathanbrinson]

I notice he's keeping his lead hip and shoulder directed up, anyone wanna touch on the biomechanics here?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It helps keep the weight loaded back into his left leg so he can unload it into the brace

[@sacawiid6281]

Awesome been waiting for this one, thanks guys!

[@smileyboy2700]

Nice smooth form along with Gibson's. Question: Can I use these form clips to review my form and upload my form review for to KZbin? I don't want any troubles so just asking in case if there's a possibility for it. Just crediting you in the description or adding your logo to form clip to act as a watermark wouldn't work would it? I'm curious :))

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thanks for asking. Email us! It's against KZbin's TOS to download so you'd get whacked just for that.

[@smileyboy2700]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I emailed you. Looking forward to your reply :]