Simon Says, Do THIS To Throw MASSIVE BACKHAND DRIVES | Ep. 1

[@leifclark6235]

600+ foot thrower here. You have to shorten the last step by maybe a foot or so. Over-stepping doesn't let your hips snap through and it leaves your back foot behind way too far and you can see it just sliding off the ground rather than using it to propel your front hip back. If you really feel the front foot land THEN rip the front hip back in combination with the upper-body work you were attempting to implement in the video. I feel you can add like 5-7 mph on your throw if you really iron out the hip action. You're really close!! Keep it up.

[@gyronation9303]

I have some questions for you. You're not the first one to talk about getting the front hip back. When I try that, it feels like I'm trying to throw as I'm sitting back into a chair. Is that how it's supposed to be? I feel like it's a weird feeling to build forward momentum and then pull my body back at the last second

[@samuelhager928]

I do not throw 600 ft but Tristan Tanner recently posted a video stating that ​your legs should be bent like sitting in a chair to yes I would say your right on track go watch his vid it might make more sense @@gyronation9303

[@JTNugget]

You know what, I actually believe that you're a 600 ft thrower.

[@leifclark6235]

@@gyronation9303 it sounds like your legs are too bent. There’s a sweet spot where you aren’t standing too tall, or too short with the legs. It’s like you’re sitting at shortstop ready to field a ground ball, like Drew Gibson said in that form video with Brodie 2 years ago. It’s impossible for me to know what the issue is without seeing your throw but I do believe it’s having the legs too bent. A remedy to try to fix that is to copy Corey Ellis’s backhand form, it’s short and compact leaving very little room to add extra and unnecessary motion in both the legs and the upper body.

[@leifclark6235]

@@gyronation9303 Also, pulling the right hip “back” is relative to the direction of your body. If you’re throwing North, you should try to smack your hip directly East. It’s like a rotational motion rather than gaining or losing any directional momentum. There’s a young European player who has an excellent form video on the hip activation topic.

[@cps102]

I think a lot of people do the elbow drop/swoop because they straighten their arm on the reach back and when they go forward, they don't get back into the power pocket with their elbow up. If you try a reach back with your arm at a slight bend (never fully straight), you'll see how much easier it is to bring the disc into the power pocket with the elbow up. I think Ricky's form is a good example of this. And I'm not actually suggesting this as a form implement, but maybe just a training thing to be able to feel getting into the pocket with the elbow up.

[@josephwonsetler4981]

I'm 72 so I was well past my formative years before the game got on my radar in rural Ohio. I was a multi-sport athlete and coach but sadly never disc sports. I was mostly self taught meaning I stunk. But in the discussion regarding your off arm, on my own self taught journey I made a comparison between figure skaters and throwing a disc with your fastest arm/hand(?) speed. I noticed when skaters began a spin with their arms out they would spin slowly. But their velocity increased exponentially as they brought their arms in close to their body. That seemed relevant in throwing a disc. Obviously at the end of your throw your release arm is away from the body but that is your last act when your need your top velocity. Dillon, your point about clearing your off arm to facilitate getting your back shoulder away to open the power pocket is spot on necessary. I however wonder if your suggestion that the position of that arm not as important once you start pulling into the power pocket might need to be reconsidered. Look at a really old video from Bike Adventures Okanagan channel on KZbin of McBeth, Schusterick, Koling and Feldberg's slow motion drives. I would suggest they are clearing with the left shoulder but all 4 are getting the off arm low and close to their back thigh as they move through the power pocket prior to creating their max speed just as skaters with both arms/hands close their body before the obvious extension and snap of the release for those pros or any disc golfer. I would agree that mastering the elbow up, opening up to "clear" the path for accessing the power pocket "cleanly" adding Simon's leading foot position much like a closed stance by a baseball power hitter must be done but last and not least keeping the off arm close and low to maintain acceleration through the power pocket and "snap" your release is essential since at the very least it maintains if not completes the maximation of your "acceleration " move. Just a thought by a fading old athlete. :)

[@SimonSomething]

As a fellow go-out-and-film-myself-throwing-shots-er, my biggest helping tip to you my friend is you need to slow it down a lot. Don't try to implement drastic changes to your throwing technique with full power shots. You have to go from 1% speed just going through the motions the way you know you need to hit it and slowly ramp up as you allow your muscle memory to start adapting these changes. Another thing that really has helped me is to completely over exaggerate a change that I'm trying to make. I'll do that for maybe 20-30 throws and then I dial it down and suddenly I feel that the change I'm trying feels much more natural.

[@t.stegall5270]

Definitely going to tuck/curl the disc more. You did a good job of curling the wrist. Most of your throws that went far right appear to have happened because your brace step went back to being more straight on those throws and you were trying to pull through your body, producing that later release.

[@brandongreen9381]

If you tilt the disc down a little when its in your hand it helps keep your elbow up.

[@doublethomas8415]

I remember Joel Freeman's window drill from his video and tried to implement it in my game. It made me use my hips and lower body more or at least made me more cognizant that I should. Interesting stuff.

[@gregp1985]

Does stepping like that apply to all backhands or just the max distance kind?

[@IceBergTV]

@@gregp1985 I'm not sure yet but I think always

[@jamesfarabaugh6669]

I hope you come back and do an update on this after you work on it a bit more.

[@IceBergTV]

Will do!

[@dram4king]

Keep working on it, I love watching people make good changes and then grow into the changes they make. =-)

[@maawdawg]

A simple way to try to start the habit of keeping your off arm down and tight to your body is take a disc or a towel and hold it under your arm against your ribs. It at least lets you know your arm is down while you are focusing on other parts of your throw, like the forward step or lead arm elbow position. I have been doing it during field work and it seems to be building a bit of muscle memory to hold that arm in close, when I had little idea where it was before. I am only a year and a bit into disc golf and I am still quite a work in progress but as I work on my issues with my front arm it is letting me build good habits with my off hand so I have one less thing to try to fix later (I hope).

[@marion1600]

Definitely gotta try it out

[@Discsforbaskets]

Staggered final step is for distance and power shots. For accuracy you still want to step in line with your runup/throw.

[@IceBergTV]

You think? I need to look into this more...

[@Discsforbaskets]

​@IceBergTV what I've always seen and been told. Philo was the first person I heard mention it, one time when he was commenting on a shot Cole was trying to throw through a gap and he pointed out he did a staggered step instead of stepping in line to hit the gap. Cole shanked it and he pointed out that the staggered step causes more variation in the release point essentially.

[@ZacAndoe]

@@IceBergTV Simon even plants a little open when throwing touch shots

[@coreycalamity1395]

yes commented the same thing before seeing this. im strictly woods golfer and watch people try this step and hit gaps and they all think they are early releasing. its just the step making them miss their gaps not an early release.

[@coreycalamity1395]

cole redlan does an excellent video about this and he throws very far with probably less effort than anyone besides eagle

[@ryansuter4424]

Good video

[@IceBergTV]

Thank you!

[@ZacAndoe]

I have found I get more ¨swoop¨ when my reach back is a little too high, it makes the angle to be down into the power pocket which seems to make it go down and then up at the end causing the swooping motion. I have been messing around with this and I found trying to throwing like around 70% power and getting almost same as Normal max power. I had the same accuracy issues when trying this with max power

[@marion1600]

Have you done any other training to increase your strength and explosiveness? I'm just wondering how you're able to rip it so hard and the meantime seemingly effortlessly. I've been playing about a year now and I'm starting to get to the point where I can throw 330ft hyzer lines and 370-380ft straight lines hyzer flipping understable fairway but not consistently yet

[@kushstreams4260]

I tried the window drill in my front yard and accidentally yeeted a disc into a window and broke it. My wife was pissed for days, but I unlocked something in that moment that helped my game!

[@TheMakki]

For the elbow up issue. Reach out and not back. Really over emphasizing out. A pump fake helps quite a bit. Or the Nikkalas baby cradles.

[@IceBergTV]

Maybe the isaac robinson pump fake is the cheat code i need

[@Quixote56]

I think of the pump fakes as fixing timing issues - ie preventing reaching back too early.

[@IceBergTV]

@@Quixote56 i definitely have that problem. Good idea!

[@brinaldi81]

​@Quixote56 what is the pump fake u speak of

[@TheMakki]

@@IceBergTV Isaac or McBeast. Don't do the Hunter pump fake.. that thing is wild.

[@ZAM2552YT]

I’m a swooper. Commonly air bounce my shots. Anyone who sees me throw for the first time sees it and I haven’t been able to take it out of my throw…. 2 years of bad habits are hard to break

[@IceBergTV]

DUDE I KNOW. It's rewarding to work on it though

[@Mawae602]

4:53 are we all gonna just ignore the giant bug that landed on his shirt?😳

[@IceBergTV]

Leaf lol

[@coreycalamity1395]

I will say that step does help power but i promise you it is a lot easier to hit gaps running up straight to your aiming point.

[@brinaldi81]

300 ft thrower here.. I suk thats all lol

[@garnerthecube]

Keep practicing!

[@mstoochn]

You've countered your foot placement by reaching 'behind' yourself, you need to adjust your arm out as a consequence of your new foot placement. A straight pull-through generates A LOT more power versus trying to go around your body as you currently are your path is a bit like a left bracket now ( reach out a bit and pull with elbow over arm for the deep pocket. Willing to bet with a smoother pull through your off axis torque will go away and that bolt will go the furthest by a good 40-50ft

[@footfaultdiscgolf]

If Simon says

[@IceBergTV]

We do

[@discjunkiesDGT]

front foot was planting forward and notto the left as intended, looked like you were slightly on a hill could be why you pushed right

[@DYLANStumor]

My name is Dylan too! I didn't know for years we shared the same name but I'm into it! hopefully they are spelled the same :s

[@NickCarroll]

You're rounding a slight bit. Your throwing arm is too rigid and extended when you reach back, so the arm-to-shoulder angle is less than 90 degrees. The elbow should bend in more, to prevent that horizontal collapse. Do the , and . from the moment you reach the peak backswing, and watch what happens to your throwing arm. It never curls to a 90 degree angle, and it being so straight, it lags behind the shoulder movement, so you end up rounding, and losing some potential energy. That said, it shows you have room for improvement, and will be able to throw even farther when you get that nailed down. 🙂

[@brinaldi81]

I swoop sooooo often

[@trailbirds4693]

Hey Dillon have you noticed that you always look at the target?

[@trailbirds4693]

I mean before the release.

[@tillman40]

What a disappoint year for MVP. The new Discmania took the keys and never looked back. Gannon alone had 8 wins

[@IceBergTV]

Whoever had gannon would have all those wins :) he's built different

[@CliveMunz]

I don't think MVP is crying when you compare on the sales side. They're winning by a mile where it counts for them.

[@IceBergTV]

@CliveMunz that's probably true

[@Mdjagg]

Couldnt even pull the trigger on the DM30% off. Their lineup is pretty limited and doesn't have anything unique to just them like a lot of other companies have figured out. The new Function may be something, but not sure if anything else is novel.

[@tillman40]

MVP is selling product to their leisure class of players, not the competitive ones then using your logic. I had affectionately called the MVP squad earlier in the year the Leisure Boys. Discmania has the best competitive players now.

[@4dwyn]

bruh what took you so long? This video might as well be in black and white