What We Really Think About Fan Accounts - SimplyPodLogical #31

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On this episode of SimplyPodLogical, Cristine and Ben give the floor to fan accounts and answer questions about internet fandoms, VidCon, KZbinr merch, hate accounts, video editing, the term holosexual, trademarks, and tea.
0:00 - Hey what’s up holo everyone
3:29 - What Cristine thinks about her fan accounts
11:33 - Hate accounts
15:41 - Responding to fans
20:18 - Why we stopped selling Simply Nailogical merch
25:21 - How Cristine and Safiya met
30:20 - What we really think about VidCon
40:08 - How Cristine learned to edit videos
48:29 - The term “holosexual”
52:50 - Trademark infringement
56:52 - When did Cristine starting liking tea?
1:01:41 - Why Cristine won’t do a house tour
1:03:44 - Does Cristine still have a holographic will?
1:05:51 - Future plans for Holo Taco
Cristine's secret oat fan account: / simplyoats
Quarantine polish mountain IG account: / perfectly.pinky
Videos referenced:
Luna’s Holo-Themed birthday party: • HOLO 13th Birthday Par...
VidCon 2019: • I worked at my Holo Ta...
bit.ly/HolographicWill
bit.ly/PrideNailsRedo
Videos with Safiya Nygaard:
2017:
bit.ly/130kNailPolish
Head-To-Toe Holo: • We Got A Head-To-Toe H...
2018:
bit.ly/NailsOnTheSubway
Trying Edible Eyeshadow: • We Tried Edible Eyesha...
2019:
bit.ly/WeddingNails1
Making Custom Nail Polish: • Making Custom Nail Pol...
Safiya & Tyler's Wedding (Simply Vlog): • Simply’s Safiya & Tyle...
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[@petermartin3006]

use me as an “i want a podcast on the time they had a legal battle against bath & body works” button (minute 56:23)

[@gracem7165]

y e s !

[@cholec9230]

yes!!

[@alezzasayshey2754]

Y E S !

[@lifewasawillow]

a copyright law podcast? HELL yeah, fascinating.

[@personneinexistante8413]

Omg yesssss!

[@gigidodson]

Cristine should make SOCKS! Socks with holo and cats or cat ears on socks. Socks would be on brand. A sock making socks.

[@catherineholland2305]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaas

[@vasundhra4086]

I cracked up on the last line 😂😂😂

[@elleb751]

A sock, making socks, for a community of socks haha

[@sen_ying]

yes yes yes!

[@Cindeeshu]

Yess! Fuzzy socks for the winter!

[@thatsort]

I would totally love a whole podcast on trademark, copyright, and other legal issues that crop up from being on KZbin!

[@chawndel8279]

I would too!

[@adamarysmontoya8658]

Me too

[@MrSunnytime]

Adamarys Montoya l

[@alyssah6922]

Agreed.

[@jonahbelarmino8567]

agreed!!

[@TinyMessyKitchen]

My favorite part of every podcast is Ben’s fake apology to the KZbinr who got shafted bc they talked too long

[@tayozborne]

Ben- "I'm a fan of you, I'm Cristine's #1, I'm your ONLYFAN"

[@laurenlambie5213]

I can’t believe that went over Cristine’s head it was so funny 😂😂

[@Stettafire]

You win best comment

[@samaira3495]

Cristine*

[@pery0012]

That was kind of creepy at the end though...hahahaha

[@tayozborne]

@@samaira3495 Oh no I WROTE CRISTINE and auto correct betrayed me 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I feel so ashamed

[@erikalacelle4927]

I would die for like, a "Black Magic" collection, where it's just a bunch of different types of black holographic polishes

[@Harri_Jay_Kay]

Oooh I wonder if something like this is coming for Holoween?

[@dylanpainterisexistential]

@@Harri_Jay_Kay if they can manage to release another collection by halloween I'd be so impressed but that's a crazy quick timescale

[@Harri_Jay_Kay]

@@dylanpainterisexistential She suggests here there might be something for her birthday and that's on the 17th of October which is even sooner. But yeah I doubt they'd do something for her birthday and then also something for Halloween.

[@artsybry]

YESSSS! I have been wanting this since HT started because Black Holo Witch is one of my fave polishes. and a black iridescent polish would be incredible.

[@teener3426]

@@Harri_Jay_Kay i think considering it's already october it's realistic to expect just one more collection this year, because i remember cristine mentioning that she's working on a holiday collection 🎄

[@hedgyverona100]

I had a lifesized poster of justin bieber on my bedroom door so I could kiss him goodbye when I left for primary school. I’m literally not allowed to judge anyone.

[@ellad2397]

Uhh..... I’m so confused lol

[@katie18976]

No one is allowed to judge anyone. People are different and they all have different interests, hobbies and personalities. Love yourself and others ❤️

[@shayjohnson8491]

i had a 1.5metre poster of eminem for some reason and my cousin made out with it so much that she broke a hole in his mouth so i feel u

[@lexieford5708]

@@shayjohnson8491 LMFAO

[@thatsuspiciouswhalenut]

Hey Cristine and Ben I know you guys care about education so I just wanted to let you guys know I graduated today! I completed my three years of school and became a certified lab tech. I'm starting my new job in October and I wanted to thank you for creating fun and encouraging content. in these last two months I did my finals your videos really helped me keep a level head and not go insane. Love you guys ♡

[@fhdjhss837]

CONGRATULATIONS!!! Happy for you!

[@ZilaidaK]

Congrats!! That's a huge accomplishment 😁🎉🎉🎉

[@ClaudiaCarranza1]

🎉🎊🎉🎊🎉🎊🎉🎊

[@ellabellaswe]

Congrats!! What an amazing accomplishment! Wishing you all the best of luck in your new job! :)

[@thatsuspiciouswhalenut]

Ah thank you guys ♡ I'm starting this week shit's gonna be nuts because of covid19. Hope y'all stay nice and safe

[@ciaociara]

Merch I would buy: mug, fanny pack, socks, holo straw, tea steeper...

[@abbypayne4496]

Especially the mug and tea steeper!

[@lollylula6399]

Ooo tea steeper, yes please!

[@ivynehring8970]

HOLO TACO SOCKS!!!

[@mindyb3560]

Mug and tea steeper yes! Or a tea pot

[@lizalove91]

I would definitely buy a mug and tea steeper

[@mortenhansen4742]

At one point could you talk about the "fails" nail polishes - like color that were horrible or formulas that just didn't work . Like if the first not milky white , was just milky grey xD or maybe just the first and final product , where we can see the development . Maybe some of Christine's insane notes for product ideas.

[@carmenweber8587]

I would love a fails podcast!

[@ambitiously_]

Speaking of fails... it’s Cristine. Not Christine. 🤦‍♀️

[@franloiacono9306]

After “cat” invasion I wanna hear more about rejected nail polish names

[@mortenhansen4742]

Sorry for the misspelling of Cristine, it autocorrected :/

[@alyssacakesniffer4126]

"I'm CEO of saying whatever I want" should be on a Holo Taco mug

[@erikalacelle4927]

that would be amazing!!!

[@kays_nook]

It's not a problem anymore should be a mug saying

[@WiccanMutti]

I would love a dark holo set for like fall or my everyday honestly. Like a black with holo, burgundy holo, hunter green holo, gold holo etc. Along with more base solid colors.

[@sillykinz1661]

Maybe for Holo Taco you could look into tea/coffee cups. That would align with your love of tea and give people something Holo Taco that they could use. They could be themed with the collection boxes (if possible) as well.

[@Katielovegood44]

I thought of travel cups too, and I love the idea of matching with the collection boxes! The new chrome collection with the raindrop effect is beautiful!

[@sillykinz1661]

@@Katielovegood44 I didn't even think of travel cups but that is a wonderful idea! There is so much that could be done with this idea!

[@avocado8137]

KateMiles44 omg yea!

[@ZakBaganslover4ever9]

Ooh yes, I love mugs! Or travel mugs too!

[@kittyleafdraws9602]

That's a brilliant idea actually! For me personally, having lived through that era of merch t-shirts, I find that I dont really have a need for more of those (also mixed with the fact that I'm looking into other clothing options) but I've recently been experimenting with coffee and have found that I'm short on mugs lol, so that'd be something I could really get good use out of!

[@elenaravenwood9851]

Hey, I would like to hear more about your trademarked "Holo it's me" issue with B&BW. Some people aren't informed on how to protect their brand, especially against larger companies that have more experience in legal aspect of business. Maybe by sharing your story, it will help many small businesses protect themselves from being taken advantage of, and raise awareness on how important it is to trademark your catchphrase in case things like this do happen. And do you get anything from the settlement since they made a profit out of it? :D

[@Anna-wo9gb]

Same here! I think these discussions are rarely had and they give a window to a new world for a lot of us.

[@nil3552]

i love hearing about legal shit coz i feel smarter after

[@bubblingbubztheklown5902]

I don't think she should have any legal stance on that. People have been making that joke since before she started a company/brand.

[@VaylaRyan]

I don’t plan on ever starting a business but would love to hear about this side of the business world!

[@Moonlight_Shad0w]

@@bubblingbubztheklown5902 Trademark rights go alot deeper than that. Inform yourself.

[@emilyfogerty6438]

I really admire Cristine because she is genuinely a good person. She doesn't have an ego and she really values the wellbeing of her audience, especially as many of them are young girls. She donates to charities, never takes sponsorships if she doesn't agree with their values, and she even gave away a semester of college tuition! She is who I aspire to be, but not in the way you might think. I aspire to be as strong in my values and as kind and caring as she is. I aspire to be selfless and honest and to maintain my integrity and not give in to greed. The fact that she was never even remotely lured into these deals and that she really takes the time to create products that she's proud of instead of making cheap products for easy money just shows that her heart is in the right place. She speaks openly about important topics and will stand up for what she believes is right. Cristine is a good person because she upholds her values and her integrity through her fame. I can't even express how much I wish I was as strong minded as her. Thank you so much, Cristine, for being such an amazing person and for teaching me what being a good person really is. I think we need more people like you in the world.

[@katie18976]

You took all my words. I completely agree with everything you wrote so eloquently. She is a good role model for all young women everywhere. ❤️

[@snowfire8436]

Raise your hand if you would buy Holo cat ears, mugs, earrings, lanyards, and more?

[@ranniesd]

A mug for tea would be perfect!

[@britishventi7907]

🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️

[@carmuranO3O]

Yes to all of this!! Especially the cat ears and earrings (great idea btw, I didn't think of that)

[@maggianderson8944]

mugs would be amazing&!

[@Harmhere]

What they need to do is make a mug we’re when it is cold or hot it turns holo

[@frenchy1224]

Shout out to the boys!! Cristine made me feel so confident and worth it to paint my nails. I was always so nervous to do so especially at my place of work. But now doing it since she launched Holo Taco I get compliments nearly daily on my nails and it makes me feel so confident, happy, and comfortable with myself. :)

[@Jdudj373y]

This made me so happy!

[@AJ-zv6rc]

YES

[@ImaFreakinUnicorn]

Yesss!!! More boys wearing polish!

[@peachxtaehyung]

Aw hun I'm happy for you! Don't be afraid to be yourself!

[@queerulantin6431]

❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🌈✨

[@TheLeoano]

I love how cristine categorizes every section of the podcast

[@hazelxd4329]

Yesss her meticulousness makes me really happy! It’s so convenient!

[@haillls]

I think it's pretty unfair to suggest that the Green Brothers (the people who founded Vidcon) sold Vidcon only to get the money for selfish reasons. They donate millions of dollars to charity and they are still involved in Vidcon. Selling it took a lot of the stress off of them and allowed them to work on other projects.

[@sushi_cat__]

+ literally paused the audio only version to go on youtube to find this comment

[@viviancheng6302]

She seemed genuinely sorry for the whole “holosexual “ thing and the coming out jokes. That’s why I love her so much, she let other ppl educate her, and did her own research to learn from her mistakes

[@HattyBee]

the fact that simply tealogical wasn’t in the thumbnail is shocking

[@Soli167]

Guess that's some tea right there lol

[@cuddlingteddybears]

😂😂😂

[@Devika-wk9hu]

Ikr! I was thinking the same thing 😂

[@mscookie3613]

Because conspiracies think that tealogical is Ben. Ever wondered why he always seems to pick their questions/multiple & the prof pic IS Ben? There’s a strong circumstantial case 🧐

[@ericak5624]

It's there.. last question

[@mym297]

As a lawyer I would LOVE a copyright and trademark podcast!!!

[@KT-oi7hs]

Holo Taco wish list: - nail tools!! I see those teasers!! - tea mugs - socks :)))) - shirts ofc - pins!!! Holo Taco polish inspired enamel pins!!

[@sierranevadavideos7151]

Ben low-key throwing shade at Hank and John Green for selling Vidcon to Viacom was pretty funny. A little disheartening, because it's terrible that the event changed after they brought Viacom into the mix, but the Vidcon company needed more help to continue to make the convention better than what people expected. Here is Hank's video if you want to learn more about the situation, it was just a little more than two KZbinrs selling out to a corporation, which I'm sure isn't what Ben meant, but it was a little implied. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWeVcoiIf99ppaM

[@jennivee5621]

You sound like a PR person lol it’s crazy how KZbinrs have their fans running around defending their honor

[@clara-yp3se]

@@jennivee5621 ? this whole episode WAS about fans so i wouldn't call it 'crazy,' but i definitely think ben painted the vidcon situation in a negative light. while i do understand that it felt like the youtubers were being commercialized in the later years, it's also understandable that they would have sold vidcon! the criticism because of the fact that they sold it for so much was unwarranted because they simply just couldn't handle it any longer and they have put portions of it back towards the community and that's why people will defend them because ultimately they didn't do it for monetary intentions!

[@lulusinner]

@@jennivee5621 vlogbrothers have created a huge community. bigger than just loving the brothers. their work in charity and education has inspired many. so it is hard hearing Ben say that because it lacked all the context of their work which has made them be one of the few people many trust on KZbin to not just do money grabs

[@parryyotter]

@@lulusinner you all are still just way too dedicated to real human beings who are flawed and not perfect and that you don’t actually know. They don’t need your defense; Hank and John are millionaires many times over. That’s not how they started (and I was there when it started), but it’s where they are now. And it’s still frustrating for other content creators to see the amount of money made off them when they were just using it as a way to meet fans and network but weren’t being paid at all. Like the criticism is not invalid and trying to invalidate it by going BUT CHARITY just makes people want to push back harder. It’s not relevant. Yes Hank and John do good things AND they also made a lot of money. And that couldn’t have been a downside for them. Accept it.

[@lulusinner]

@@parryyotter I do understand the criticism of the selling of vidcon and the profit making from it. I'm not disregarding it and Im sorry it came across that way. 'you all' I am one person. I was also there when it started (actually I wasn't I watched their backlog but started watching 11 1/2 years ago when i was 12). I stand by what I said, and think in the context what i was trying to say mentioning charity work was incredibly relevant. Best Wishes.

[@mrsawesomesause6265]

Who's gonna tell Ben that Emma Chamberlain has an editor? ☕👀

[@chloegibbons2066]

Mrs awesomesause I was looking for this comment 😂

[@Sonia-5555]

Was about to write that and say that she's actually a great example of finding an editor that totally gets your brand 👌

[@valeriavagapova]

Whaat? I only heard about her from Dr Mike's channel, and I'm pretty sure she mentioned editing her own video in that interview?..

[@noemichaw]

Valeria Vagapova It was a recent thing - she had been editing her own videos for years; but she got one lately and said it made a world of difference to not be bogged down by editing obligations.

[@sierrajaquelynvincent2236]

she used to edit her own videos, but during her recent james charles collaboration she talked about getting an editor/ how hard it is to find a good one and how much it has helped her mental health.

[@jorjahockley]

the fact that simplytealogical was not in the thumbnail is a scandal

[@kayleepoitras491]

My thoughts exactly

[@lizalove91]

Safiya is someone who comes to mind in terms of her videos being so well edited and produced. Especially now that she’s showing all the steps in Instagram stories of them doing the audio and editing and laying the voiceovers it’s crazy. They work SO hard it’s frustrating that people get annoyed with her for taking too long. The amount of research and pre-planning they do alone before even beginning the filming and editing really shows

[@Ella-gb7no]

agreed

[@hasyimahibrahim4506]

I followed Cristine because of Safiya and the collab videos that they did. This is way after the polish mountain. Wasn't interested at first because I don't wear nail polish and call me shallow but yes, I thought Cristine was the typical youtuber. Obviously, I was wrong. Now I am here for the intellectual conversation and insights from this couple on various issues. So yes, it will be nice to have merch other than nail polish. Plus, I know it will be a great quality and reasonable price. And you should consider a tour to meet & greet fans after this pandemic dies down. Mayb Cristine could organise AA meeting for fans and makes us tell stories of our obsession about her. Or they could do a live podcast. So we could interact with Cristine. I am seriously considering to join twitter so I can follow Cristine.

[@maxine1333]

Love everything you wrote and I agree with the Twitter thing

[@siddheshgandhi7668]

SAME

[@koolangel2005]

Holo Taco temperature colour changing mugs and tumblers

[@trishalynn8042]

by bf told me that if i stopped biting my nails, he would buy me some products from holotaco!!! havent bitten my nails in months now and i cant wait to get my peely base

[@emelycava]

That's a good motivation 🤣

[@JamisonS15]

This is wholesome

[@agnethebirch-jensen9261]

This is the kin did relationship i want... 😍

[@slytherinsky]

Lol great motivation for you, for me I buy my own things so no one can tell me no. 😂🤣 that’s good and bad.

[@osllq9355]

Discovering Cristine's channel back in 2016 is how I stopped biting my nails. I would bite my nails to the quick every time they had enough nail for me to bite my whole life until that point. At 20, upon seeing the video Cristine had back then with nail growth tips, I stopped biting my nails and started FILING!!! Get a glass file and a protective case so you can keep it with you (or just get a bunch) and it makes all the difference!

[@sentientbubblegum31]

I don’t wear nail polish and would get merch, or a nail kit. like with the oil, some oil spill nail stuff (like cuticle pushers or whatever) and the files you already released. hope that’s in the works 👀

[@DDinisGirl]

THIS! YES!

[@cuddlingteddybears]

Me too! I don't wear nail polish often but I would love the stuff to keep up with my nails and stuff !

[@mutantfroggy]

Genius!

[@love4allpplz1]

I can't wear it on my nails, as I am a chef😭😭😭 so that way I could still support her brand and actually use the products

[@katie18976]

Brilliant idea! 💡 ❤️ 😊

[@Izzy-mh4ui]

I’m dying for a sunset type collection - a bunch of dusky pinks and terracottas in a mix of cremes and holo would be **chef’s kiss**

[@KristinStuthard]

That would be perfect 😍😍

[@rachelelizabeth9904]

this is an interesting topic that i think a lot of youtubers are scared to discuss

[@aldana_5727]

I think celebrities in General

[@rachelelizabeth9904]

Aldana_5 true

[@Katielovegood44]

They make any topic interesting tbh. I didn’t expect I enjoy their personality tests or political bias videos :)

[@mirsey93]

Tbh I don't think they care about it that much. Because as we all know, the internet and especially fan accounts can get really nasty because they say whatever they want. And maybe some youtubers don't want to be held accountable.

[@lolamarie3555]

To be fair about Hank and John Green selling Vidcon for so much money, they do a TON of work with charities and donate a lot of money. I don't know if this is the case with the money they made from this sale, but I imagine a good amount of it went that way. They also run a video production company with many employees. I just think this context matters, it's not just two dudes who got millions of dollars, it's two business owners and philanthropists.

[@michelleblank2199]

I think it’s the fact that, the problematic creators get to. Whereas when it first started it seemed kinda hush hush, if that makes sense

[@lolamarie3555]

@@michelleblank2199 No, I totally get the critique! It definitely seems to have changed a lot since the beginning. I just wanted to add some more context to the sale specifically. I've been following the vlogbrothers for a long time so I have a bias towards them, but I also know how much they care about giving back and their commitment to charity. Critiquing the event is totally valid and even how much it's rumoured to have been sold for is worth discussing, I just feel like leaving this out misrepresented the situation (again, only of the sale) a little bit.

[@maryread2447]

@@lolamarie3555 I agree. I've followed them for some years now and I know they are genuinely good people. I think they want to focus on their jobs and charity work. This sale was a way to do that. They started Vidcom as a way to meet their viewers, and viewers meeting other viewers, but it just became too big and too much trouble. They are doing a lot to decrease infance mortality in Africa, lets think about how important that is compared to a convention...

[@ShivaniSingh-dl3pe]

Thank you for adding this comment, really admire the way you've offered a counter-argument(you really didn't forget to be awesome!)

[@dulcibrisk671]

Can we get a “It’s not a problem anymore” hoodie, sweatpants, and pjs? 🤣 I’d definitely pay for that lmao

[@Jrs6iu]

Ben:I’m Cristines number 1, I’m your only-fan 👁👄👁

[@coltjames9159]

You're on her OnlyFans, aren't you? lmao

[@SabH27]

The Vidcon segment was pretty interesting. Did Ben and Cristine never meet John and/or Hank? I would think if there was ever a (pair of) KZbinr(s) they would like based on their platform use it's the Green brothers. They do essentially all the same things they do with their platform, just that they've been doing it for a longer time as a pair of "legacy KZbinrs". They value education, they give a bunch of money to charity, their communities are positive and supportive, and they make content that's thought-provoking and kind. They also hold jobs outside of YT, don't live in L.A. and have been pretty transparent about the sell of Vidcon, Hank even just talked about it semi-recently (3 months ago now) on Phil's podcast. Just an interesting take from the creator's viewpoint, as it seems to vary depending on the creator.

[@haleygilmour9393]

It was interesting to hear Ben have a negative-leaning take on Hank Green because I have heard almost exclusively good things about him. I knew he sold vidcon, but as a guy with a modest house and a 2010-ish volt, I doubt he spent that money on himself. It must've all gone back into Complexly or their charitable endeavors. But ya, I think Ben would like the Green brothers

[@cupcakewithouttheicing]

Exactly my thoughts @ both of the comments on this thread

[@leenibeeni861]

Perhaps he was basing commentary on info he's heard around. Not based on something he fully investigated. Regardless, a very interesting take

[@Enchanted_Owl]

@Sabrina H I've come across that part of the podcast right now and immediately scrolled down to see if anyone was talking about it. Thank you for saying it. DFTBA!

[@maggiebassendale102]

@@Enchanted_Owl me too!! No Green brothers slander allowed 😡 LOL dftba

[@angrygrandma2004]

Me: *wonders why Cristine uploads at 1:00am and on a Wednesday...* Also me: *realises that I live in Australia and in a different time zone* Again me: *writes this comment at 1:00 am...*

[@miss_jess]

Hello fellow Aussie who should be asleep 👋

[@tarabattersby8129]

Greetings from Melbourne 👋🏻

[@miso331]

Omggg another Australian here 😂 it’s like 2 am here right now

[@dennisoreo]

you're in the FUTURE???

[@angrygrandma2004]

Ikr lol

[@DecodingBurningQs]

im gay, i obviously can't speak for everyone in the community but i agree with everything Ben said. Theres nothing wrong with holosexual or talking about the attraction to holo. but using the term "coming out" is a bit insensitive as you said it's a very difficult thing that shoudl not be joked about. in addition i beilve it was in an old unboxing video ? or perhaps a Q&A someone asked if you were bisexual and you responded "no im holosexual" that did rub me wrong a bit. but that fact that you addressed this today is great.

[@fhdjhss837]

Absolutely agree

[@dees3179]

I always thought it was a way of highlighting the oddness that is the need to come out. Why should anyone? Surely the issue is with the assumptions made about people that require them to come out? If everyone just dated who they liked there would be no need.

[@tiffanyroberson9773]

@@dees3179 Sexuality *shouldn’t* be a big deal and people shouldn’t need to “come out”, but because LGBTQ+ people are discriminated against simply because we exist and because others MAKE it a big deal, it’s necessary. I hope that makes sense. It’s like the “all lives matter” thing. Yes, all lives *should* matter and that’s how it *should* be, but that’s not reality. BIPOC are being discriminated against and their lives aren’t valued like they should be. Being gay *should* be normalized, but that’s just not the case right now. It’s still illegal in many places to be LGBTQ+, the Gay Panic Defense still exists as a valid legal argument, we’re still fighting for our rights, so our identities are still a big deal because we keep having to fight to just exist.

[@losemyhead419]

i feel kind of weird piling my own explanation after two others @@dees3179 but i felt like adding that coming out brings about a sense of comfort and closure. living in the dark, unknowing whether your family members or even your best friends would drop you the second they knew you were lgbt, is incredibly suffocating. coming out relieves that tension, though you have to be prepared for the consequences. you might even discover that the person who took care of you all your life can't look at you anymore without being disgusted! fun! having cut out the unsupportive slices of your social circle before entering an lgbt relationship (example) is a far better situation, anyway, compared to entering one and _then_ experiencing the ensuing fallout. of course, it _is_ a little theatrical to make a big deal of coming out if you're already 100% sure that everyone knows and supports you, but that kind of situation hardly pops up in real life.

[@kclo]

I would love an episode on trademark law. My favorite moments of this podcast are probably when you talk about business nuances. No one ever talks about that, and as a freelancer, it's very valuable. I'm not really into merch, but I am waiting patiently for nail tools and a travel tumbler for tea!

[@juliareste]

to be fair, hank and john green sold vidcon because they have so much on their plates already, they're both full time novelists, video makers, they run one of the biggest merch companies for KZbinrs, they run charities with partners in health and sponsor sports teams in England, it's reasonable for them to sell it. i think hank is coming back to the team, but im not sure. i think its just important to note, idk

[@sofiagolpe2224]

Yea that criticism was way too harsh, (loved that Wembley was part of your reasoning 😂)

[@lizalove91]

I could definitely see that but after hearing what Ben said I see their side too. Like why would they choose Viacom such a huge company to make money off youtubers meeting their fans? Yes those events are very expensive to put on and require paying lots of employees to pull it all together but maybe they should pay the youtubers since they bring in so much money to them. I feel like these companies just see youtubers as cash cows, the same way managers, merch companies and other take advantage of creators.

[@hpdftba]

I feel that John and Hank did a good job of starting Vidcon and making it for the community. I have no issue with them selling it. I think that they are using the money to do more good in the world

[@keytonglover5140]

Yeah also, I know they generally don't like to name names, but not acknowledging John and Hank made it sooo much more weird and harsh. I don't know if anyone else felt like that

[@weirdnesprevails]

I think I remember Hank talking a lot about how vidcon had just exploded into its own thing and they weren't like fully equipped to handle all of the issues. I think it's a little unfair of Ben to not also give more background since the green brothers also do a lot of donation and community outreach. Also you forgot to add crash course, scishow and like 3 podcasts

[@sailormf]

When Cristine said she got addicted to coffee at 15 I immediately thought of her scientific study to see how many cigarettes it would take for her to be addicted 😂 I like to imagine that’s what happened with coffee as well. E X P E R I M E N T S

[@KristyRadio]

Same 😂

[@MishlerFurramily]

I think the thing with house tours (or at least why I love them so much) is I just love seeing different layouts of houses. Like sometimes when driving through a neighborhood I'm like "The outside of that house is really nice, I wonder what the layout is like on the inside and what it looks like on the inside." I just personally enjoy seeing that. And it's not so much about "bragging" or showing off things, I just love to see the layout and to see how people have decorated their space (whether they did it themselves or hired a decorator). That's just super interesting to me. But that's also coming from me, a girl who lives in Texas and has no intention of finding anyones house and driving to it or causing harm in any way. I honestly hadn't considered the reason you mentioned for not wanting to do one, and those are really good points. Just because I'm not going to go try and rob you doesn't mean someone else wouldn't. So I get it. Well hey, maybe if you ever move from that house you can do a house tour before you move lol.

[@caitlinhanks9670]

Ben leaving little messages for Cristine in the pre-cut video footage is super adorable.

[@kulsoomjawaid6411]

I don't think it was wrong for John and Hank to sell vidcon, considering how much time and effort they put into creating it and how intensive the management and the teams behind it are.

[@Andresfin]

I just want to put this out there John and Hank Green give so so much of the money they make to charity. I get why selling it for a lot seems weird but they keep so little of the money.

[@cosmick.cowgirl]

When Cristine followed up with "5'4" after saying she was so short..... beech I WIIIIISSSHHH! I'm 4'10" and its the kind of height that people point out sometimes... I'd love to be 5'4

[@miss_jess]

Haha yup same... I'm 4' 11"

[@dorianvaughnigma]

@@miss_jess Me too ✋

[@caesar98]

Holo taco merch that suits your brand: - Tea mugs with holo logo - Holo thermos / reusable coffee/tea mug -

[@cupcakewithouttheicing]

I will admit I have a biased opinion because I love John and Hank Green but, from my understanding, large amounts of the money Complexly makes goes back into the company to fund content like Crash Course, SciShow, etc. or is donated. So, while it is a fair assesment that KZbinrs attending VidCon could have been compensated better, I also don't feel bad about the money made from it going to fund educational content and charities Edit: Not to say John and Hank haven't made a lot of money. They most certainly lead a comfortable life, but also, they are not your stereotypical rich KZbinrs and I think that's evident from their content

[@ComicReliefDurr]

Think about all the Green Brothers do for the community. The money they made off of Vidcon likely went back into the community. Educational videos and podcasts. DFTBA. Running those businesses ain’t cheap. I can’t say it justifies it, but just something else to think about.

[@recoil53]

Eh, people choose to spend the money in the end. So I'm find with it.

[@charlottehollingsworth9125]

Also, by 2018, Complexly was incapable of running a convention that had become so much bigger than they ever imagined, and it was seriously taking away from their ability to do what had always been their intention. Once they didn't recognize the youtubers people were begging to attend, they realized they needed to hand it off.

[@bn1142]

I'm glad there are some comments here about this - not that it seemed like Ben was criticising the brothers exactly, but just the mention of them in something that sounded a little money-grabby made me worry that others who don't know them will think poorly in that regard still. I mean I don't doubt at all that they're rich AF compared to most people still, but they are also soooo certainly two of the most ethical YT-ers that I can imagine besides Cristine. Their Partners in Health collaboration and everything that is done with learning opportunities in mind just make the world feel a little wamer to me.

[@ananyasahay]

old safiya fans would know after she announced her resignation in 2017, one of her friends posted a video of saifya freaking out as cristine had DMed her 😂❤ it's amazing to see how their friendship has progressed over the years

[@gretagre2579]

The next simplymailogical will be cristine opening a bunch of catstreet boys shirts 😂😂

[@AadenKDragon]

I would love to see HoloTaco cat ears or earmuffs. It's getting into winter weather so I got warm things on my mind.. When it comes to HoloTaco, we all know everything is going to be tested but only the best will be produced so we don't mind waiting on products. And tbh, we all know Cristine's favorite things so we all know what's on the Wish List. Cristine isn't really giving anything away during the podcasts.

[@myrandabennewith160]

Ben is so invested in Holo Taco, I love it. He even has a favorite polish "Cat Evasion i think" lol

[@recoil53]

Originally "Tax Evasion" until marketing got to them.

[@estagiariaa8146]

seeing Hank and John Green referenced as "the KZbinrs" who founded vidcon really called into perspective the fact that not everyone is absurdly obsessed with them

[@GallifrAngel]

I would love hearing about trademark and copyright issues. I always go back and forth between saying that I get it because I respect people protecting their property, but then a lot of the time I'm just like "holy shit why does this matter??" and I think you're right that it's sort of an antiquated thing that needs an update to continue to work in today's age.

[@TheLeoano]

dOeS cRiStInE sTiLl HaVe A hOlO wIlL?!?!

[@Fayetality91]

Yes, it is still in her possession as of her snapchat on Sunday xD

[@littleponcho4375]

FLORIDA BITCH

[@dinahrosesteele]

While I agree it feels gross to have gone to Vidcon unpaid, and then have the company sold for millions of dollars, the founders are philanthropists and donate the money to charitable projects they are actively involved and invested in. Like Partners in Health. I feel like that changes things.

[@nooperspism]

Hm. What if Cristine let’s Ben edit a video? I think that’d be fun to watch.

[@Emariec93]

If vidcon was going to keep going it had to be sold. Hank can't run the whole thing on his own and it was out of control just like how you describe the quick KZbin rise of your channel or Safia.

[@parryyotter]

They’re still allowed to criticize the way it was handled and the way it has changed.

[@RestlessParadise]

Honestly, I'm here for the "boring" topics. It's fascinating hearing about business dealings. And I don't know anyone irl who has to talk to a lawyer on the regular.

[@camchaunguyen]

Beyyn likes Cat's Evasion cause the original was Tax Evasion, and Beyyn likes taxes 👀👀

[@randomharts]

Am I the only 40 something person who listens to this podcast while making dinner?...tonight it was chili and cornbread! It’s typically a perfect amount of time to prep and make dinner. Thanks Cristine and Ben for providing quality entertainment for my “taco Tuesday’s” or chili Sunday’s😉

[@Luke_Robbins]

I’m a 15 year old boy and too scared to wear nail polish (at the moment). I would love to wear clothing with your brand on it. I really would. Haha

[@cassieflores3844]

If you want to get into polish but feel the need to work up to having it on your fingernails, then you could start with your toes!!! But a holo taco hoodie sounds like heaven 😇

[@Luke_Robbins]

Cassie Flores ha, yea a hoodie sounds real nice. Good idea with the toes but I think it would still be too obvious. Haha even when I grow out my nails my dad and mom constantly urge me to cut them. And I’m thinking I just wanna be like Cristine, hahahaha.

[@cloud34]

Opened youtube and this was uploaded 31 seconds ago, *I have been blessed by the menchie god*

[@nimitasiju4723]

when its one am and u realise u have made bad life choices for staying up this late but its fine bc u got to be early for cristines podcast

[@miss_jess]

Yeeeah I'm gonna be hell tired tomorrow

[@Stettafire]

Greetings from the UK, it's 7pm here :)

[@VictoriaMeira7]

Yoo in a fifteen minutes its going to be one am over here(India)!

[@Stettafire]

@@VictoriaMeira7 If i get past 11 without sleep that's too much for me! Old lady here :P

[@nandofink9221]

I think they should make their own Holo slippers!!!

[@angeladunnangiedraws]

I'm pretty sure it was Safiya's video on you two dressing up in all holo together that introduced me to your videos in the first place! 🤩💖

[@briannafage3801]

Ben:I'm Cristines ONLY fan me:👀👀 pun or nah?

[@avocado8137]

Breezy SFX Beyyyyyyyyn*

[@briannafage3801]

@@avocado8137 oops my bad lol

[@apollo_rj_]

Oh I would LOVE to hear about the whole copyright scene! Idk why but its just really fascinating to me, please also talk about copyright on KZbin if you do make a podcast on it

[@destiny_rain_7560]

Merch ideas I would 100% purchase: Socks, sweatpants, anything involving tea, beanies, and of course the general t- shirts and such.

[@cassandraburns9073]

Cristine:"That's why I'm so short!" Me:"Oh, maybe we're the same height, cool!" Cristine:"That's why I'm 5'4"!" Me, 5'2":

[@veellia]

I'm 4'11

[@pantomimegoose]

You should do a Ben (glitters) vs Christine (shimmers) debate collection of nail polishes. Whichever side sells the best, wins!

[@coltjames9159]

Nobody asked but... Cristine* XD

[@renunit1503]

I'm glad you guys are still together after last week lmao 🤣🤣

[@AxelStar]

I would love to see CD Holo earrings (studs/dangling) it would be hella cute.

[@batsandlipsticks6664]

I just love how 'polish mountain' became this sort of established time stamp that you can use as a reference for literally anything😅

[@fancypapercutz]

I’m actually really interested in a podcast about copyright and stuff, I think that’s so interesting!

[@jkz8565]

Me too! Stuff like that is really interesting to me also. I would love a podcast about laws and cases and stuff.

[@pavanaatawale3464]

46:53 that should be a video idea - Ben edits a simply Nailogical video!!

[@shaunacorrigan9372]

Wait, BEN is telling CRISTINE to stop? What kind of bizzaro world is this?!?

[@radrachael]

I love how Cristine was explaining how everything in the Holo Taco line was fundamental and staples of H💿L📀

[@ArsonBeanTanks]

I wanted Missed Shift but the single version sold out. So I bought the collection 😂

[@bethanymann9137]

"Why would you drink all that sugar??" *sips caramel latte nervously*

[@GingerLadies]

I would like to see some neutrals actually: brown, gray, peach, etc. in creme or linear holo. Also David's Tea collab?

[@godspeedie]

why am i jealous of ben's eyebrows, they're on fleek today

[@colin_strom]

It would be cool if we got a simply video edited by Ben. I could even be a really short 5 minute video. I’m just really curious to see what he would do and it would be fun. Maybe he will be the host and it will be called like “simplynailogical hacked by Beyyynn” or something like that

[@pariskelch4092]

I can’t imagine being eye level with Cristine. She just looks so much taller.

[@guardgirlie1818]

Black holo made like the rainbow collection would be my dream. Or even like a gray scale version of the rainbow collection!

[@perfectlypinky6226]

Thank you guys so much for that incredible shout out! It means so much that you are enjoying my content!💗

[@daisychain6967]

I look forward to this podcast every week!

[@pageorpeggy]

me too! truly changed my mood to get the notification!

[@itsGabrielaCristina]

Same!!!

[@Katielovegood44]

I love how Cristine just went on and on about tea and Ben after was like “wow..... didn’t expect that long answer” lol 😂

[@bubuus49]

I would buy any type of Holo Taco branded nail polish storage solutions, like boxes or or fabric pouches or anything that keeps my Holo Taco polishes in order 😍 i don't have space for the shelving you have 😩🥰

[@Snowydays003]

yes ! would love a trademark episode !

[@supperfuntime36]

Cristine dropped cat’s evasion the day before the times dropped trumps tax returns, coincidence? I think not!

[@ferratovic]

3:26 OMG thats me Also congrats to all other fps for being included

[@meghan879]

I would LOVE to see socks as merch!! Or cat ears! I can’t paint my nails, but I get so tempted to buy Holo Taco polishes because they’re SO pretty and I want to support Cristine.

[@melaniemahaffey4459]

You liked my tweet this morning and it was so cool to get that notification!

[@sarahhelmer6559]

I would actually love a podcast on copy right infringement and trademarks, I learned a lot about it in my business degree and would love to hear about it from your company’s stance as sorta a case study!

[@recoil53]

Law & Order: Copyright Infringement duh-DUH!

[@A_ree_ta]

I work at an after school program. And the kids always comment on my nails. And yesterday I told them what it was and one of them goes: “OH! Simplynailogical!!!” Shes 8.

[@madefromadamsrib]

i appreciate these podcasts so much 💘💘

[@HannaKate2000]

In middle school someone made an account on Instagram specifically hating me. I still have no idea who but someone accused me of making it myself and i just sobbed. It was the end of my 12 year old world