Ask Us Anything - Cancel Culture, Fan Encounters & Quarantine Update - SimplyPodLogical #21

On this episode of SimplyPodLogical, Cristine and Ben answer random questions for Ask Me Anything. We talk about cancel culture, celebrity crushes, the beauty community, our worst fan encounters, staying sane in quarantine, and which guests we would like to have on the podcast.
0:00 - Hey what’s up holo everyone
2:32 - Celebrities we've met
5:05 - How we're doing in quarantine
9:19 - What we think about the USA's response to the coronavirus
12:37 - Are our cats acting differently since we’re home all the time?
13:54 - Are we still going into the office to work?
15:12 - If we had to live in a social bubble with other KZbinrs, who would we pick?
16:58 - Our favourite part about doing the podcast
20:18 - Common misconception people have about us
23:30 - Is the beauty community on KZbin toxic?
28:56 - Our thoughts on Jenna Marbles leaving KZbin
34:03 - What do we think about “cancel culture”?
44:49 - Why does Ben like hummus so much?
46:37 - Canadian celebrity crushes
46:59 - When Cristine started KZbin, were her friends and family supportive?
48:17 - TV shows we've been watching in quarantine
49:40 - Our favourite movie as kids
52:47 - Guests on SimplyPodLogical
55:53 - What is the most amount of money we've spent on a video?
57:47 - Does Cristine like camping?
1:00:58 - Worst fan encounters
1:04:13 - How would Ben and Cristine style each other?
1:05:38 - Is Cristine going to start a TikTok?
1:06:30 - How does having such a large audience affect your mental health?
1:07:46 - Any vacation plans when quarantine is over?
1:09:03 - Holo Taco next collection hint👀
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[@simplypodlogical]

Hey there, it’s Ben. I’ve seen a few comments about my argument that makeup is "superficial" so I just wanted to clarify that I don’t think that the people who are interested in makeup are necessarily shallow or superficial. I can appreciate Cristine’s perspective that for many people makeup is primarily about artistic expression. At the same time, I do think there is something uniquely negative, dramatic, and superficial about the online beauty community and I was just reaching for a possible explanation. It was ignorant of me not to consider that many women have a complex relationship with makeup and societal expectations/standards of beauty. I think that is a conversation worth having and maybe one we can spend more time on in the future.

[@ladynegomez6182]

Thanks, Ben! I understand what you were trying to say in the podcast and I agree, but I’ve realized that we’re taught early on the societal and cultural norms that create the circumstances where that superficial aspect is infused into our everyday lives, at least for women,and in order to break away from that I find that people try to channel their creative side or to push those boundaries because it’s the only way we can. Like it took me a bit to accept that Cristine’s nails would be different on each hand, and I would just sit here like why does it bother me? They always look awesome, but in my head I was just like oh...that’s the whole idea that I’ve been indoctrinated with oh how you’re nails are “supposed to look”.

[@clarabarreiros446]

It's okay, Ben! And we thank you for coming forward and being so thoughtful. Yet, we (the subscribers) know you had no ill intent. Sometimes we say things but do not word them the best way. It happens! I'm sorry for some of the disrespectful comments here... 💙 Stay safe, simply mom logical and dad

[@Kakashii26]

Agreed 👍❤️

[@Kakashii26]

We know u didn't mean anything bad, completely understood that. but I guess for those who posted those comments took it in a wrong way maybe and expected u to voice/word it better. Love you! ❤️

[@recoil53]

Well it's true that the cooking channels or Gear community don't seem to have any drama, outside of what happened at Conde Nast.

[@TheLibraLibrarian]

Men in the beauty community is similar to men in any gendered career. Male nurses, librarians, teachers, are often praised for being involved in a heavily female space and rewarded for it. And in male spaces, women are still looked down on and undervalued

[@Halflinging]

But that is just not true. Men in trationally feminine jobs get a lot of shit both from men and women.

[@lbwnova6654]

Halflinging I would say that it depends on the field. Male nurses are more likely to be looked down on than male teachers, who generally raise through the ranks and become principals a lot easier than women.

[@Halflinging]

@@lbwnova6654 True! It honestly is just disheartening that people talk about experiences they don't know anything about. Male nurses get harassed so much because they are seen as less masculine. Male nannies are not trusted and they are seen as suspicious. Comments like these invalidate male experiences of sexism. Of which there are many.

[@JOOOHNYPS]

And many women are the ones rewarding those men.

[@kaleidoscopekayley]

We actually talked about this in one of my library science classes. While the library field is largely female, most leadership positions are held by men. Thankfully, our community is working on creating a more diverse, female-driven workforce.

[@madixmassacre]

Ben is so upset that people focus on his love of bananas because they turn a blind eye to his love of hummus

[@sophiacrom3457]

Yesssss, it all makes sense now

[@clairer342]

Have you seen the banana surprise toy?? Cristine should make a hummus surprise banana for Ben 🥳😂

[@alexia3552]

Holy shit, I didn’t know know we needed a criminologist to comment on cancel culture until just now. I hope the concept of “what are we hoping for” becomes widespread

[@VagabondLadybug]

Yes! This was such a great question. Sometimes I feel like people are satisfied with a death sentence at some point. The whole mob reacting to people that "should" be cancelled reminds me of witchhunts and the gory glee of watching people being publicly killed.

[@MimiUsagichan]

i mean you dont need to be a criminologist to realize that cancel culture has changed to something like a witch hunt compared to how it started

[@cobaltblu4196]

I think it depends on if a influancer is abusing their platform. Shane abused his platform and put his audience in danger. what i'm hoping for with shane is for him to own up to EVERYTHING. not to just delete the content. but to hold himself completely accountable. he mentioned the clip with his cousin. but has not brought up swapping gum with a 12 year old. or making out with dogs. that shit I believe is worth deplatforming him.

[@krikumss]

ASMR artists wouldn't talk behind backs, they would *whisper* 😁

[@barborapetlakova]

Krista, that's exactly what I said as well! 😂🤣😁

[@johku7638]

BUT one asmr artist DID actually bate for another asmr artist to get harassed. They did talk it out eventually, but there is drama everywhere..

[@LadyOcon]

the mukbang drama with nikavocado is as huge as james charles and also the fitness comunity is very dramatic yet sooo smol. and lets not mention yandere simulator and minecraft comunity.... beauty is nothing at all with that level of saltyness

[@emilygrace2439]

For someone with an incredibly short attention span I am surprised how much I love these😍😍

[@CJ-df7gf]

Same!! I always listen to the very last bit! And I can't focus on a 3 min video

[@kavyac9437]

I'm stuck to my screen when I watch this, really great commentary.

[@fabian6514.cr3]

Same!

[@almepm2345]

Same!

[@samaira3495]

IKR

[@Thehappytapdancer]

Ben and Cristine: “This is a chill, relaxing podcast” Also Ben and Cristine: *Goes into a deep conversation about cancel culture and the beauty community” Also, I hope Ben never stops doing the outro where he apologizes to a random celebrity/KZbinr. It is one of my favorite things about this podcast.

[@Natalie-101]

"just wanted to apologize to meryl streep, we wanted her on the podcast, didnt get to it this week"

[@KCallia]

If I'm not mistaken, it's a nod to when Jimmy Kimmel started his talk show, except he apologizes to Matt Damon every time!

[@haleygilmour9393]

I think a large part of why the fans grasped so hard onto bananas and taxes was because we knew so little about Ben in the early days. Thus, every little fact we learned (or assumed) became a fundamental pillar of Ben That's less true these days, but you guys both keep a private life which means that the parts of your lives that y'all share publicly are going to be zeroed in on and amplified. That's just my theory tho

[@andreil1313]

Haley Gilmour that’s an interesting way of seeing it! I didn’t think about it

[@littlebodybigheart888]

I didn't think of this :o

[@elvirayee2060]

Like the other repliers, I too didn't think of it this way and was trying to make sense of it. The only thought I could think of is that the 'bananas' and 'taxes' are a way people build their branding on them, like having a niche, by keep repeating one matter over and over. That way, people associate you with what you keep repeating because you planted that in their head so much. I'm definitely not saying that those were the intentions of Cristine and Ben, but that was the only theory in my head.

[@Aila8]

I agree. They should add a 3ed neon light of hummus for Bens side now. XD

[@Scrofar]

That is an interesting and valid theory. I'd like to add on that there's nothing wrong with having a private life and not sharing every detail about oneself publicly. There's nothing to blame there, and the only problem I would see is someone not accepting that, or insisting what's "canon" to the person.

[@amolpreetkaur3443]

Ben talks about banana being a recurrent and drawn out joke with a bright lit banana over his shoulder 😂

[@braingoop]

😂

[@grammarjedi]

On the beauty guru commentary: I would like to note that makeup is a primarily female hobby. And in many cases, female hobbies have to justify themselves much more than male hobbies on the internet. Heck, look at the recent scandals in video game streaming like the Yogscast, where they had to throw out members for sexual harassment and outright pedophilia! But somehow it's the female driven makeup community on KZbin that is seen as the toxic one. I say this not to condone bad behavior on the part of bad actors in the beauty community, but to point out the double standard and how much of the criticism comes from people not even involved in the hobby.

[@TheBerylfly]

Preach

[@hoangtranduchuy370]

Dang

[@supperfuntime36]

This is so eloquently stated!

[@kefkiroth42]

Thank you for putting in words what I had in my mind. Some things said in the podcast just rub me the wrong way.

[@poonywooon]

So true. makeup is seen as shallow but football is cool? Smh

[@gabiwasabi2249]

Real quick, I wanted to talk about the glass escalator in regards to the beauty community. The glass escalator is when men rise to the top easily in women dominanated fields, for example: men becoming principals quicker and easier than women in schools. I feel like we generally treat men and women differently but especially when it's in these kinds of situations which is why I think the men in the beauty community rise so fast and get away with so much. Unfortunately, I think there's not much we can do individually but just recognize what is happening Anyways, I love the podcast! Thanks for making my Tuesdays a little brighter :)

[@wolfgangshuman]

Totally agree

[@carolin2544]

This! I played a lot of "Name a popular female fashion designer or brand founder" with people I meet because fashion is sooo dominated by women. And yeah, people struggle, eventually remember Coco Chanel, and then say "Well maybe they should just work harder". Smh

[@RachaelTheRed]

As someone with a dance background (another female dominated industry) I feel like I can kind of explain this phenomenon. In my experience men are elevated in female dominated industries in an attempt to encourage MORE men to go into the field to create diversity. This leads to a type of favoritism of men in the industries, thus propelling them into the upper level positions. Ex: we want to see more boys in beauty so we all subscribe to and support every male that enters the field to encourage them to keep going and other boys to join. This quickly pushes them to the top over females that may be more skilled or "qualified". The kicker is that male dominated industries don't do the same thing. They make women claw their way to the top and prove that they have the skills and qualifications to be there. Therefore we end up with men at the top of every field whether it's male or female dominated.

[@tiakivla]

Samantha Ravndahl made a video about the outside perception of the beauty community’s toxicity (as a response to Shane), and talked at length about the elevation of men within the industry and how even though it’s demographically massively female, the majority of execs are white straight men. Highly recommend her vid!

[@lakia-chan]

@@RachaelTheRed i think this is super valid! never thought about it that way. it is interesting too how female dominated communities emphasise a lot on diversity and inclusivity. maybe there isn't a problem with the community but other communities instead? it does take two hands to clap after all

[@RapidObsessor]

ok I"m realizing how unhealthy my life is after watching how ben and cristine have such respectful disagreements and discussions together?? imagine a couple talking and learning and educating each other so calmly??

[@clairer342]

I definitely feel like I have learned a lot more about compassion and empathy and learning from different opinions after their podcasts and especially the AITA ones 😂 And I feel like I know how to ask questions that are touchy without being confrontational so that I can actually learn! I wonder if they know how much they truly impact people for the better 💖

[@steph.b7904]

Ben: asmr community dont talk about each other behind they're backs. What if they do. It's just W h i s p e r e d

[@daisydropper]

W h I s p e r c a m p a I g n

[@alexia3552]

Steph. B lmaoo

[@christineloader1835]

damn i was just about to make this joke lol you're way ahead of me

[@mann6742]

Omg you've cracked the code!

[@madziin]

Not actually there was a scandal a while ago

[@Micmichellelaw]

You guys can play "Never have I ever"(maybe like school edition, work edition, or just all random), but replace the alcohol with TEAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@Micmichellelaw]

so that you guys still have some chatting time or like storytime, after you answer a question

[@tvgubber]

Yessss

[@Deanna417]

Or Ben would have to take a sip of tea and Cristine would have to take a bite of hummus

[@wendylocs]

Deanna Reed she hates coffee so maybe sip coffee 😝

[@sarahelizabethh3]

I would thoroughly enjoy a video of Ben reviewing different types/brands of hummus 😂

[@josevenegas7799]

For sure! I

[@Crazee108]

Like rank King by Eugene?

[@sarahelizabethh3]

@@Crazee108 yes lol

[@animemangachan101]

Felicia108 CROSSOVER!

[@greggales]

Yes!!!!

[@A_ree_ta]

Ben: “Maybe I should be a little more careful” Ben: “I don’t wanna get deposed by Tati’s lawsuit.” Me: 😵😵

[@bubblingbubztheklown5902]

Ben constantly trying to act nice, but throwing shade.

[@mmathulosejake]

Ben is the best😂😂😂😂

[@clairer342]

When he’s “throwing shade” it feels like he is just actually saying what everyone is thinking and being honest 👀😂

[@arinatkachenko9926]

the ‘hey what’s up holo everyone’ always makes me smile

[@joeyjoey5393]

I am I am replying because then you will see a suprise (sorry if I spelt it wrong)

[@alexandrahuemer9145]

Ben's comments about Jenna were spot on, concise, and more sensitive in wording than anyone else I heard talk about it so far. Well done.

[@fwogboy]

"he did not disappoint. he was so nasty."

[@goofy_gooberism]

How nasty was he? *so so nasty*

[@kaleidoscopekayley]

I grew up with Jenna Marbles. I started watching her when I was 14. Now I'm in my early 20s. She kept me laughing during some incredibly difficult times, and I will forever be thankful for every single smile she ever gave me. I hope that now, with everything said and now, she can finally exhale. I hope she can be happy again.

[@PlugInKali]

I agree with absolutely everything Ben said about Jenna. I'd just like to add that although I applaud and respect that she wants to take responsibility for what she did wrong, you can't be so obsessed and affected by what people say on the internet. She said that she doesn't want to offend anyone but there are millions of people who watch her videos. It's impossible to please everyone. You can be the sweetest and juiciest peach in the world, but you'll always find someone who doesn't like peaches. It's great to take people's opinions into account, but it comes a time when you have to do your own thing, trust your audience and ignore the trolls.

[@Wexory]

@@frobb7232 you're right both right, but still I miss her :c 🤷‍♀️

[@cyberpersephone]

I respect Jenna a lot, but we need to acknowledge that not having bad intentions doesn't excuse racist comments and actions. Taking responsibility for racism isn't giving in to the trolls, it's being a responsible adult.

[@sha9392]

Laura Enriquez I agree and a lot of people forget she is still friends with Jeffree and Shane.

[@crunchyoats1862]

@@sha9392 I don't understand how being friends with Jeffree and Shane relates to Jenna's apology? You judge people by the people they hang out with? Jenna's not terrible just because Shane is.

[@lio6502]

@@crunchyoats1862 are you part of the oppressed groups they've insulted and grew a platform making fun of with? it is completely valid for people to feel hurt or unsafe with others who associate with people like that. i know we cant speak on their friendship, if there even is one anymore, but you can't just tell people who were affected by them how to feel.

[@arinatkachenko9926]

9:56 “middle-aged women” it’s ok ben, you can say karens

[@aliviablue9085]

I thought that too 😂

[@benallen5301]

They need to like this!

[@megaroo1983]

You saw the pause of "should I say this"?

[@ausernameisuseless]

Your profile picture is *wonderful*

[@aliciaclaire81]

Their male counterparts are just as bad. Have people decided on a name for them? And, I gotta point out, the antimaskers come in all ages, races, and genders. Just wear a mask!

[@MathPiHanan]

I think the male beauty youtubers conflict parallels the conflict Tyra Banks and Naomi Campbell had. As a minority in the same industry, rather than being empowered by each other, each feels threatened by the existence of the other.

[@whos_astoria]

This is a very good point

[@georgia6373]

Haven’t heard the podcast yet but I don’t even know if I’d say males in the beauty industry are minorities (probs will delete the comment after watching haha)

[@flamingofab8678]

that moment at 21:40 when Menchie STARED DIRECTLY INTO MY SOUL

[@SH-wk6po]

*Ben:* “I might have separation anxiety too”. *Simply:* “From me?” I know it’s been a while Cristine, but you do remember that y’all work on the same floor, and could see each other from your desks right lol. 😅😂

[@recoil53]

I thought they said they work in different departments and areas?

[@geode786]

recoil53 I think they work on different teams, but they’ve said they can pop up and wave at each other from their desks

[@patricianicole3753]

I think to say in the kindest way possible to explain Ben’s question about brown and black outrage with past racism/bigoted behavior (me as a black woman), it might help to consider a mixture of a bigger picture/community and individual experience. Even though I came from a privileged black family, I have a college degree, and whatever, it is hard to explain that some/many black & brown people experience racism on a daily basis while others may experience it is a collection of events over a long period of time. Especially in school environments and some work environments, there is no system/support to confront or change how regular bigotry can be in those places. Most normal people agree that cancel culture has gotten out of hand and lost meaning. But, I think people who aren’t black & brown struggle to imagine how often we may hear that kind of language & that it can be overwhelming & like Cristine seemed to imply, there are rarely outlets to safely express any emotion about it. I was called the n word repeatedly at my rich white Catholic schools from 2nd grade to 12th. I’m not a ‘quiet’ person in order to make myself seem ‘better’ than other black people, but because I don’t feel safe expressing any emotion in certain spaces. Yes, cancel culture is getting out of hand and hits the strangest situations hardest. But, maybe Ben can understand the intensity as a bottle exploding after building pressure. Also, a lot of ppl in black & brown spaces are discussing healthier ways of expressing this kind of disappointment and anger, but in our own spaces. I think at the end of the day, it would hurt anyone if someone who disrespects a core aspect of their identity is deemed an aspiration for all of society/or just one industry to value. The solution? Who knows, there will probably just be waves of time mob mentality is more or less intense. Ironically, sometimes the loudest voices during ‘cancelling’ isn’t always the group of those offended, but those who consider themselves allies

[@gabiwasabi2249]

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[@recoil53]

I think it's interesting that none of the current outrage has spilled over on Mark Wahlberg, who assaulted an old Chinese man back when Mark may have been juiced, or Mel Gibson whose drunken misogyny is well known. These things are materially worse than anything Jenna Marbles has done.

[@emmav3833]

Your observation in the last sentence is on point. So many times I've seen people jumping on the bandwagon before listening and amplifying the voice of the people who were the prime victims. I thought that ben refered to those people when he said that people participate in those "cancel parties" just for the excitement it procures them.

[@Fixtheproblemwithgoodpolicy]

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[@manuelazapata8984]

All your points were very well made and I agree with all of them. I am Colombian and my Husband is Dominican. We’ve always heard of these scenarios where people are racist. However, we have never really experienced anything because we lived in Miami. Miami is a very Hispanic-centric area and is highly populated by middle class Hispanics, so we felt relatively comfortable. It wasn’t until we moved higher north in Florida that we REALLY experienced racism. My Husband worked at a bank where the lobby was closed due to C19, so he had to use the teller camera to communicate with customers. The primary population in the area were white (slightly supremacist) customers. On many occasions, my husband would turn the camera on to help customers and would get cussed out by these white men, without provocation. He described it as very irrational hatred towards him. I would ask if maybe they had a difficult day and maybe were taking it out on him. However, his coworker (white, blonde, blue eyes, “all American” man) would take care of these SAME customers, and it was like they were completely different people. With his coworker, they would be polite and even CRACK jokes and smile. When these things happen in such a diverse state as FLORIDA, I can’t imagine others states/places.

[@juicelina537]

As someone from the book community, there is a lot of book drama. Like a lot. So I feel other communities are just much smaller so the drama isn't as well known or talked about outside of the community. But with beauty being so mainstream and just the amount of people involved in beauty inside and outside the internet, it becomes more talked about.

[@Jannyl13]

And the amount of money involved also probably leads to some drama.

[@valeriacastano1647]

It also doesn’t help that people assume they’re really unproblematic because they’re “just books” but it’s really competitive. And the amount of people that use it as a gateway to get published can make it really problematic.

[@juicelina537]

@@Jannyl13 oh yeah definitely. The beauty industry is worth so much. Power and money is a huge factor.

[@juicelina537]

@@valeriacastano1647 Yes! It should really just be books and fun, but I feel like every month there's something. and so many aspiring authors which isn't inherently an issue, but when shitty books by larger booktubers get published and heavily promoted over better written novels by marginalized creators it become an issue. I also feel like it doesn't matter what niche part of the internet you're from the way black and brown content creators are treated is always an issue. Booktube tries to hide it with all the "diverse" tbrs and recommendations but it's still very much there.

[@hollysmith7828]

Regarding cancel culture: I can highly recommend the book “so you‘be been publicly shamed” by Jon Ronson which explores this very thoroughly.

[@lisamagro]

Sounds interesting!

[@lucieirl]

Yeah it’s an interesting read! However (and maybe because I’m only 19) it already feels a little dated to me with how fast social media has grown again in the last 2/3 years- there’s very established online presences now such as Jeffree Star or (until recently) Jenna Marbles and I feel like Twitter culture has bridged the gap between ‘us’ and ‘them’ when it comes to famous people thus you can rally hundreds of thousands to shut down someone who’s entire career started and ended online, compared to being cancelled online but having no pre existing fame as such? Does that make sense, it’s 1am as I type this haha

[@hollysmith7828]

lucieirl you make a very good point, I read it a few years ago and things have definitely evolved since then.

[@josefkarny9]

If I remember correctly, he also did some Ted talks on that subject.

[@katerinazieglerova4243]

It’s interesting that even when you guys think the main channel are “the entertainment” videos and these “real videos that show us who you are” but I’ve never gave a shit about nails yet here I’ve been for the past 4 or so years. That’s because you managed to put “mini real talks” in your main channel videos that made me a fan. This podcast is a blessing so thank you.

[@AubreyMobley]

The first time Cristine showed up as a recommendation, I watched a few videos and thought 'nah' but then I caught a couple more thoughtful bits, and it made me feel like I was back in college talking to really thoughtful people, and I was hooked.

[@cristaljoseph290]

I can’t agree more. I paint my nails black and dark red and that’s it and don’t really care for nail art and I’ve been following Christine since 2015? I also feel whenever they say something serious it just comes from a very knowledgeable person who actually spends time researching topics and stuff. Id be thrilled to have a conversation with either Christine or Ben, not only because of the intellectual part but because they do really seem like nice people and they’re funny!

[@kellysueballard7654]

For me, the "entertainment channel" was more like a slumber party: quirky, funny, and moments of depth. Like how me and my friends would be twenty plus years ago.

[@luciana.9945]

Ben: I don't like being known as the guy who says mean things about beauty gurus Ben, moments later: "Some of the biggest male influencer youtubers aren't particularly talented"

[@siaparekh5769]

Lol 😂 so true

[@hayleywilliams8938]

god rest your soul if Beyyyn shades you....

[@regisatlas]

he just can't help himself from being catty and conceited

[@sha9392]

Also brags about being blocked by James Charles on Twitter like a teenage girl

[@claasjeverdeijen5435]

Don't forget that he also said the beauty community is toxic because changing your appearance is shallow.....

[@elainerawlinson9382]

Play "Never Have I Ever," only instead of taking a shot, you have to put a layer of nail polish on (holo, please).

[@clairer342]

This would be so funny, we need more likes 😂😂 They can do silly questions if they want to keep it upbeat 👍

[@briiana510]

I couldn’t stop looking at menchie omg shes soooo cute. She just wants some looooveee . Omg look at her

[@elvirayee2060]

Ikr. 90% of the video was me staring at Menchie while listening to them

[@1Pineapple]

The moment when she stared seriously into the camera while Cristine said something serious was the most adorable moment 😂 wish I remembered the timestamp x3

[@afsasimpson2802]

Ben assuming Americans would take the vaccine when they make it 😂

[@kalirice7875]

Like America is going to force a vaccine on anyone. Not like we get free Healthcare, haha. 😂

[@perlahernandez5584]

Kali Rice imbedding a chip into a body. They’re already doing it.

[@beapat500]

that’s the real joke here😂

[@demonstrablyfine690]

Americans aren’t stupid, you only need 60% to reach heard immunity, and I guarantee you more than 60% of Americans aren’t conspiracy theorists or anti-vaxxers

[@coltjames9159]

@@demonstrablyfine690 It might be closer to 70-80% of the population for herd immunity. But yeah, not everyone in the US is an idiot. You know, coming from an American. I'm still shocked all these years later, that some people are anti-vaxxers.

[@Kamila-ey5vi]

I love how, when choosing a bubble to quarantine with, Cristine goes to her friends and Ben goes directly to hummus

[@ashleah5458]

Something I've been thinking about since watching this yesterday, the knee-jerk reaction of thinking the beauty space is about vanity, and the fact that male influencers are at the top of the pyramid of it are both sides of the same misogynistic coin. Compare it to my other passion, genre fiction - there's a strong cultural bias that romance fiction is a big joke, because it's by and for women, but no one denigrates mystery/thriller pop fiction the same way despite being written at the same level. Pick any equally "fluffy" male-driven interest (I don't know, car detailing maybe? model building?) and see if you immediately think about it the same way.

[@fhdjhss837]

Perfectly explained, exactly what I thought too

[@_Muser23]

On how the US has handled the pandemic: I agree! I am embarrassed at how politicized this pandemic has become and the idiots who refuse to wear a mask.

[@pennyrose6839]

I think that the fact that america continues to emphasize "freedom" as a core value and yet it's always in the context of either idiocy, hate, or both really says something

[@Wutevs4]

Other countries have there own problems.

[@ghoultiful]

If the superficiality of the beauty community is making it toxic then what is the reason for the online gaming community being a cesspool of sexism, racism, and other terrible behavior?

[@DewSocks]

The common notion of "video games are for boys," over-sexualization of female gamers(often, they can't get popular without sexualizing themselves, especially on twitch), and the ever popular stereotype of the 35 year old gamer who lives in his mom's basement. There's more, but I think these are the most prominent reasons.

[@LadyOcon]

that is soooo salty

[@gumshake689]

the fact that its mostly young boys

[@aleisthebest]

List of People we need on the Podcast: (not in order) 1. Jen 2. Cristine's dad 3. Ben's Brother 4. Cristine's Grandmas 5. And any other simplyfam! Btw i always watch the podcast with my 10 year old sister and we both really enjoy it.

[@queengeorgia8594]

Something tells me some of these would make this a less calming podcast

[@shawnhannah1924]

4 merry Christmas

[@celloafterdark4173]

The thought of a stranger without a mask trying to hug me right now is honestly terrifying. I mean, moreso than usual...

[@nishaprakash2592]

I would like to add something the beauty community talk.. I agree the beauty community is pretty toxic, although I would say, a huge part of toxicity comes from not the ongoing drama that we witness, but moreso by the general idea of beauty that the beauty gurus like to portray, subconsciously. Like for example, literally every beauty influencer lining their lips making it look thicker, contouring to give definition to their face, making it look more chiseled,etc. As a 16 year old girl these remarks of influencers make me question my face and body..." Are my lips too thin? Is my face too chubby?"

[@Jannyl13]

I think another aspect is that there is so much money involved in beauty and make up. These people often are not friends or collegues but rather competitors! (At least the really big ones who make most of their money theough their own products)

[@sav3337]

Cristine - I would want to spend time with our friends, a select group to be safe, of course Ben - *gourmet hummus*

[@mann6742]

Me: **sees the description box with time tags to soooo many questions** **Tries not to dance out of happiness**

[@zookie24]

Manny Wannabe. You can dance if you want to

[@lyricnoel7745]

@@zookie24 you can leave your friends behind

[@hunterkarns3774]

L N1234 what?

[@mann6742]

@@zookie24 ✨✨

[@eadkins6204]

when Ben said "some of the biggest male beauty gurus aren't even that talented" the tea is scalding

[@vyzelliaveryllia8376]

Ben: "and I might have a separation anxiety too" Cristine: "from me?" Ben: "No. The cats" Ouch. LOL

[@lia_art5021]

I like how the intro is a combination between Cristine's and Ben's styles of greeting people

[@erickas.939]

Am I the only one who noticed menchie staring directly into the camera for a very long time?????

[@andreajasso9487]

I was looking for someone to mention it:)

[@SmilesAllRound01]

Do you have a timestamp pls?

[@elliechow9375]

@@SmilesAllRound01 21:37

[@samlt_]

She can sense us.

[@kbowler9266]

Menchie is very interested in what Ben is saying, she's a daddies girl.

[@sophiechiewtrakoon]

"Some of the biggest male influencers aren't particularly talented" it's okay you can say Jeffree Star

[@lauralanthalasa7]

Jeffree isn't talented? He made millions out of nothing, I think that's a real talent.

[@Kat_C95]

I think he was talking about James „still doesn’t know his foundation shade or undertone“ Charles... *dramatically whips head around for extremely uneven bronzer application*

[@sophiechiewtrakoon]

lauralanthalasa7 he’s very entertaining (but let’s not ignore the racism) but his makeup skills are subpar compared to others in the industry. Notice how Lipsticknick does all of his promotional pictures.

[@chickennuggets7092]

I agree with you on JS not being particularly talented, but he does have experience in using hundreds of products and in that he understands what makes or break a product. I definitely thinks he takes advantage of this by making reviews or 'vs' vids

[@makkachinsmamma7785]

@@Kat_C95 That reminded me of one of the reaction videos Robert Welsh did of James Charles 😂😂

[@eightopossums167]

I love how they can disagree without arguing about it

[@victoriaramirez5743]

I think the toxicity in the beauty community doesn’t come from makeup being inherently superficial. Marketing can be dishonest, so it takes a certain kind of person to be super successful in marketing their product in such an over saturated market. I’ve noticed the “least problematic people” tend to just focus being authentic with their audience, rather than constructing a sellable narrative to their audience.

[@whoopsies6432]

I like seeing adult Cristine... but I also love watching “fun” (lack of a better word) Cristine in the other videos. I like that you have both!

[@smarcher1653]

21:35 Menchie: *looks into the camera like she's on The Office*

[@annawagnerr]

I think something that is important to notice about the beauty community is that a lot of the drama and scandals are due to the fact that the beauty gurus have makeup brands of their own, therefore, some of them see eachother as “competitors”, which could be an incentive to try and destroy someone’s image maybe.

[@samanthacostanza4137]

Cristine is hiding her hands so we can’t catch the next collection 😭😭

[@alana.dyer.author]

This is true...I want to see her new polish

[@samaira3495]

I think it will be coloured holo taco toppers maybe........

[@BussyQueen]

Ben: “I regret talking about the beauty community”. Also Ben: 10 more minutes of critical analysis on the beauty community. 😂😂😂

[@nadyaali2295]

I wish you’d open captions! So that people can translate your podcasts to different languages if they wish so :)

[@RLenaers89]

I agree! I'd definitely translate to Dutch for them

[@carmenbecker9183]

I wish they would too!

[@kitbracadabra]

The ability to freely caption videos is sadly gone :( KZbin removed it

[@carmenbecker9183]

@@kitbracadabra really? That’s so lame. They should’ve just made it an option for creators so they could decide whether or not they wanted people to caption the videos

[@kitbracadabra]

@@carmenbecker9183 yeah, it's super terrible and abilist that they removed it

[@sheejaysaradi1221]

i just love how comfy menchie is in the middle of the table. i keep getting distracted by her cuteness

[@chanle5989]

The moment I heard Ben saying "Claire Brad Leone Sohla from the BA Test Kitchen" I had a mini heart attack because somehow my two worlds have collide 🙈 but sadly ain't BATK no more

[@christinag7971]

I love the 'real' simply. As someone in their mid to end twenties it is refreshing to listen to something so close to everyday conversations i would have with friends. It feels like I have a companion by my side.

[@lizzybee16]

As someone a similar age, I feel the same way. Even more so because Ben and my husband are so similar.

[@christinag7971]

@@lizzybee16 same here.

[@melonaise]

So you guys focused on the impact of cancel culture on the person being cancelled, but as a "average joe" I see it impacting society around that person more. Like they may still have plenty of fans and are making a living, but the people who are fans of their work now feel like they can't be open about their admiration. It's not just the cancelled person who gets the public shaming, it's anyone who says, "I like Harry Potter" after JKRowling gets cancelled -- they also get shamed by whatever group has done the cancelling.

[@Vootodef]

No, people where hating on Harry Potter & fans waaay before she got cancelled. It's mostly because of the cringe they post, Jk Rowling using token characters & hating on things that are popular lol. (I'm not against hp)

[@emmamooney3820]

@@Vootodef Right, that's definitely true, but I think they were using that as an example of people who feel the need to hide their love for something just because the person they're interacting with may not like the creator. People assume that if you like Harry Potter, you're automatically transphobic because JK Rowling is, which is not true. Its possible to like something the person created while still being able to criticize their actions.

[@margett__]

I really enjoy this podcast and appreciate the level of your concern about putting things in words the best way possible. Your conversations are very intelligent and educational and honest. However, sometimes I get frustrated with and concerned by this type of kinda-joke-kinda-serious lines Ben allows himself to add to discussion that are quite controversial and need to be properly elaborated and explained. This happened with me a few times already. I remember Ben’s line about him not having a very high opinion of religious people. This time he made a very strong and taking-into-account-one-perspective-only statement about people getting into makeup out of superficial standards. I am not by any means personally offended by those types of statements and not trying to shame Ben or Cristine for being wrong or narrow-minded people (they are definitely not). I just want to point to these types of phrases that I believe Ben could find a better wording for and I ask for more attention, on his part especially. You both have been successfully demonstrating us your skill to take different points of view into account but sometimes I feel something is being missed. It’s inevitable in any serious topic of course but I mean situations when it seems to happen out of insensitivity and not out of lack of knowledge. I mostly agree with Ben’s and Cristine’s ways of approaching the topics, but these little things can be confusing. Again, I have a huge respect for both of you and do really enjoy this podcast! Just want to make sure that our discussion between mature people doesn’t turn into something less rationally based and more emotionally driven.

[@davedeluca6457]

This was the most well written constructive criticism I have ever read, and I completely agree!

[@kitbracadabra]

I completely agree with this! I'd like to see him address it

[@camip7589]

Cristine: Does an eye for an eye make the world go blind? Ben: Okay GHANDI

[@mayamenon9124]

Its Gandhi

[@sehar7904]

@@mayamenon9124 idk why but the way the person yelled GHANDI in caps and the way you replied calmly in lower case cracked me up so hard 🤣

[@the_dino_clan1899]

@@mayamenon9124 actually it's Gahdee

[@mayamenon9124]

@@sehar7904 🤣🤣🤣 thnks

[@mayamenon9124]

@@the_dino_clan1899 his full name is Mahatma Gandhi. He is the father of our Nation (India).

[@aditikarthikeyan5609]

At this point my life revolves around simply nailogical and it’s franchises😜🙈♥️

[@kavyac9437]

samee🙃

[@swipeswifejess3234]

Thanks for touching on Jenna. She's an empath and so incredibly kind. She's the person, i imagine, who tries to include everyone and makes the loneliest person feel important. Shes SO incredibly personable, and so intentional with what she put out in the world.. i feel that she's burnt out. On top of this. 10 years is a LONG time. I was, and still am upset about it, but she deserves a walk in the sunset. Happily. Shes so different from 10-12 years ago. She deserves this break and she handled it the BEST way possible.

[@Anemone_Productions]

I dunno about the work/home separation, I'm 22 and I work as a data entry clerk. I've been working from home since late March and I am so much more comfortable working from home than I have ever working on site. I'm definitely an introvert and don't always need that social interaction, not to mention I have more control over the overall environment in my house (like the lighting, my computer, my chair, the temperature, etc). I think the work/home divide starts to blur when you don't have a designated space for work. I have my work desk in the dining room, and I hardly exist in the dining room in my home life. The real issue with people that have a hard time dividing work and home life working from home is that not a lot of people have the space to have a designated work area. Which of course isn't always their fault.

[@laralaoise72]

I literally forgot it was Tuesday. Thank you 😊

[@emilykolodney1691]

Same lol

[@dianaherbst2335]

Haha, youtube upload schedules are how I keep track of what day it is right now. Days just keep bleeding together.

[@poniesandlife]

I appreciate Menchie staring into my soul at 21:37

[@PatThisGal]

There's a whole thread now on r/BeautyGuruChatter about how minimizing Ben's comments are to the beauty community. It's wild.

[@RurouniIdoru]

I gotta say, I was not expecting Ben to say he'd like to have ContraPoints on, but I'm so here for it. Whether an intense discussion about important social issues, or just an hour of glitter enthusiasm.

[@sammanthaestrada1162]

Ben should do a hummus bath! That is the only way I can think of for hummus to be a deductible business expense.

[@idocraftythings395]

I was just about to say this!

[@Theatrechik51]

And to be clear on the issue of "cancel culture" in relation to certain social media stars, for POC, the issue has ALWAYS been there. But no one cares if it's not en vogue to care. And it's not one incident "10 years ago" if it's the very foundation of someone's career. So many issues affecting POC essentially do not matter unless persons with lighter complexions en masse care. IMO, the only people truly cancelled are the viral 30 second Twitter normies. Those in positions of power rarely have had that truly occur.

[@rebeccas2813]

yep, and the people who have been proper cancelled have either been women (of all races but primarily POC women) and MOC. White creators are rarely, if ever, actually cancelled. They just think they are when they're held accountable bc it's uncomfortable.

[@dejdej6769]

"I don't want to get deposed in Tati's lawsuit" aha Ben😂

[@prettyfuldancingirl]

Watching Ben cautiously avoid saying "Karens" in favor of "middle-aged women" was a highlight for sure.

[@lizalove91]

Do you remember when Morgan Adams talked about that beauty guru trip and how they bullied her for being different and the rule about how you only talk to people who have so much percent less followers than you? And that it was like hs? It’s definitely a problem. There’s some beauty gurus I love that aren’t like that but it’s definitely pervasive within that community. Cristine talking about cancel culture as it relates to criminology is so fascinating and brilliant and level-headed

[@demonstrablyfine690]

They actually talked about this on their sponsorship podcast, I don’t remember when though

[@lizalove91]

ゴミげんよう yes! I think I remember that!

[@user-xc5vt3ny4f]

you should really have Joanna ceddia on the show, would love to hear you'll talk about the importance of education, how the education system has changed since you'll have been on school

[@jdenchii__]

Yes! This would be amazing

[@jazzedaboutcheese]

It's sad that Cristine is gonna be one of few wholesome mainstream KZbinrs left on the platform. I wish there were more like her and Jenna.

[@samanthalong1517]

The fact that both Cristine's grandmas are still living says a whole lot about Canadian health care. I can hardly think of anyone I know in their 30's whose grandparents are still alive...

[@WatermelonLover]

Samantha Long One of her grandmothers lives in Florida I believe.

[@kellysueballard7654]

It's been mentioned that she is a snow bird. So winters in Florida and winter in Canada

[@SpaceWhale5451]

Us lads over at r/malepolish also like Holo Taco!

[@tiamorton1927]

To see the nail art in this subreddit would be the only reason I'd make an account tbh

[@SpaceWhale5451]

It's mostly a lot of people exploring nail polish and gender expression, but sometimes you see some pretty cool stuff! I did a cat-inspired nail art there not that long ago.

[@staceyvickers]

Saf and Tyler seem so lovely. They are so respectful of one another as a couple. I would love them to be on the podcast. Threadbanger too. Jen and Matt would be fun as well. I love this podcast so much. I look forward to it every week.

[@splorgan5696]

I've been thinking about this, I think ben does have a point that the beauty community is inherently superficial, but I think all genres of content are superficial to a degree. The people who have large followings in beauty, vlogging, gaming, etc. almost always have a large audience who's there to see how pretty they are, how much money they have, how skilled they are. To show off a skill online is kinda vain in itself, because you sort of have to think that you're good at what you do. I genuinely don't think being "superficial" is necessarily negative though, sometimes things are just surface-level deep, nothing really wrong about that. Sometimes a beauty guru just wants to show how well their makeup turned out. Vain? Kinda, but not harmful until it turns into something way too serious. Also, I feel like saying the beauty community is the most toxic is not true at all. The gaming community is on fire rn cuz there's so many people being accused of being s3xua1 pr3dat0rs

[@emmacat04]

21:44 me and Menchie connected on a spiritual level

[@Cubs-Den-Reactions]

I feel like when someone is “cancelled” it’s more of a temporary boycott of their content, rather than a complete removal of their notoriety leaving them penniless and destitute. Just my feelings based on what I’ve seen.

[@demonstrablyfine690]

Yeah but it also involves intense shaming not only the person but anyone who doesn’t agree with the cancel/is a fan of them still as terrible people

[@leonecarter9882]

Yes, it’s gross too. Like they start attacking their looks and tons of other things. for example Shane Dawson. Yes, the jokes he made were awful but people are now bashing him on his body and looks, Shane has said before that comments have almost made him go throw up (to purge) agin when it was just a handful of people commenting. Yet everyone is attacking him knowing he has bad body issues and has had a eating disorder in the past, it’s gross... :/. What he did was bad, but, Two wrongs don’t make a right and I hope he isn’t getting back in this mindset now that everyone is completely bashing him on his body and such.

[@rapl7ne74]

stormcloud44 Shane Dawson didn’t just “make jokes” he’s literally racist

[@Cubs-Den-Reactions]

I'llholdthisl racist or not he doesn’t deserve to be triggered into unhealthy relapses of an eating disorder. At some point people need to be bigger people and realize that human beings make mistakes, and do things they’re not supposed to, because it’s a part of human nature... and that’s not a good enough reason to vilify and cause those people pain and suffering... fighting fire with fire leaves everyone in ashes.

[@flansolo94]

I believe that going for someone's appearance or things they can't control when they're being called out for their behaviour is wrong because it could very well send the wrong message to others who look similar or are concious about similar traits of theirs. Yes, absolutely call someone out for being racist, but don't call them fat or like make fun of their nose or whatever while you're doing it because it reinforces the idea that we have to be thin or meet eurocentric beauty standards to be perfect

[@thegoogs]

As a person of color, I appreciate that Jenna apologized for her past. Half of the apology is not mine to accept, but I love her and think her net impact was absolutely positive. I hope she comes back if she feels up to it.

[@missmartin9517]

Ben is so eloquent when he spoke about Jenna Marbles I became emotional.

[@ReigneWolvenshire]

In regards to Ben on the "jokes" people have done and been a part of; definitely start looking into and engaging with content creators who are affected by these topics and discuss them. Look into black history. they aren't "jokes" - putting it that way undermines the situation. They're ways of dehumanizing and mocking an entire group of people, at their expense, to put it simply. It's not okay. I urge Ben, Cristine, and anyone else reading this, to please learn about these topics, especially from the people they are affecting. Thank you for reading. PS: Cristine commented about "does the punishment fit the crime" and the concepts in her work about preventing things from happening again- yes, thank you, that's excellent to point out. Well put, good share.

[@kitbracadabra]

Thank you, exactly! It's not "one joke" and no, these things do not take away attention from major issues affecting up: they are equally as important.

[@SausageNuggets]

I have a question: when will you film a will it watermarble with Ben's brother? Please I need it so bad!!!!!!!!!😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭

[@heidiwalsh596]

Ben’s brother gets to pick the items to water marble.

[@sarahstevens4931]

Water marble a calculator

[@Mehlsuppe]

Ben vs. Matt

[@emily.g.929]

Considering there’s a pandemic happening and these are responsible adults, they’re probably not meeting up with any extended family or having guests over.

[@lifeinprogress3921]

@@emily.g.929 I thought I've seen him on Instagram stories? Plus Ottawa (which I'm pretty sure is where they live) is in phase 2 now.

[@ShadowLynx516]

Ben wanting to quarantine with Claire, Brad and Sohlah just made my day! I miss Bon Appétit!

[@EdmundSetsu]

same! I miss Sohla and Claire so much...

[@johku7638]

For real tho I would watch just Ben and Julien trying hummus recipes.

[@pinkikumar5625]

Someone: how are u guys doing? How has your mental health and physical health affected since qurantine has started? ........... Me: watching Cristine's videos, painting my nails and sleeping 😂

[@glendalikesapples]

In the asmr community we are all asleep, that’s why we’re so calm

[@lovelisali]

Lol 😂😂😂😂

[@Stettafire]

Good point, the point of ASMR is relaxation, so it seems strange to have major dramas. In saying that, there is 100% drama in the gardening community.

[@alixnight5318]

I was watching drama videos on the mukbang community and one of the people involved is a mukbang asmr KZbinr. That was... Interestingly

[@lovelisali]

@@Stettafire I follow a few "gurus" in the spiritual community and you would think that it's all "love and light" and no drama, but there is petty drama in the spiritual community too 🙄.

[@tzipihausvater2066]

Cristine: ben wakes up late Ben: I wake up at nine, thats barely sleeping Me: *sleeps until two pm*

[@Uniquely-Unoriginal]

If I remember correctly, Safiya dressed like Tyler on her channel and Tyler dressed as Safiya on his channel. Looking forward to the next Holo Taco Collection :)

[@karinasmith1507]

thank you so much for how you addressed Jenna’s situation, I’m one of the people who’s grown up with Jenna as my role model and I’m selfishly struggling to come to terms with it all, so I honestly think that reminding everyone that this is her decision and we need to respect it is so important

[@eilleenplante5452]

It's hard to listen to y'all talk about the pandemic sometimes. I would give anything to live in a place where my government is concerned about protecting me and my loved ones from the virus. It is embarrassing how this situation has been handled, and it's frustrating that I can't do anything about it. I'm returning to my college campus in the fall, and I'm worried about other students partying in large groups and having to go to class with them. There aren't many people talking about how individuals are being affected on a daily basis- I feel like I have no options and no protection. This isn't even mentioning the how self- isolation is affecting my mental health. It's easy to talk about the bigger picture and how embarrassing and ridiculous it is, but it is so scary to be in the middle of it with no way out.

[@vrianawashington2599]

Eilleen Plante I feel for you so much, I’m entering my last year of university, luckily they are offering mostly online classes and no one is forced to be on campus but it’s still hard to settle with the reality of everything that’s going on. Internships are basically cancelled and that’s very important especially right now when jobs are so sparse.

[@eilleenplante5452]

Vriana Washington I’m a senior as well... I’m so worried about finding a job after school. I don’t mean to be such a downer. I have a lot to be grateful for. I just worry for my future, and I worry about my family members who are at risk. I hope things go well for you, and that’s so awesome that online is optional! Good luck this year and stay safe:)

[@brooke1660]

I'm with y'all... I'm supposed to be student teaching in Jan and I have no idea how that's going to work 😥

[@0tterMom]

Right! I'm from Florida and we're just letting the virus go wild, it seems. My workplace has been open for a couple of months and has zero plans for reclosing. I just keep hoping my mom doesn't get sick from me.

[@waxxasdf]

I love how they let the cats do whatever they want. And I love how menchie decided to lay in front of the laptop

[@Cowjuice2712]

Although I love funny simplynailogical videos, my favorite parts of those videos are Cristine and Ben just talking about more serious things, so this is just my fave

[@hannahking8665]

I want to say thank you for putting the question stamps along the video. Sometimes I have to stop listening and it makes it so much easier for me to find the spot where I left off.

[@lilahayes5880]

Cristine: "Is that what people think when they meet me?" Ben: "Probably..."

[@EdmundSetsu]

The moment Ben mentioned Claire and other BA test kitchen staffs' names I literally lifted my face from my phone to the video. I have to say I'm so happy that Ben and Cristine also watch BA test kitchen videos. But it is quite a shame that currently there won't be any videos from them due to the controversies going on there.

[@comewithalice8880]

It makes me sad thinking about ba now 😞

[@kfadock]

I saw on Binging with Babish's instagram this week that he was working on a collab with Sohla.. (not sure for which channel)... so maybe some new content is in the works!

[@EdmundSetsu]

@@comewithalice8880 right? and they are damn silent for like a month now, still no actions taken

[@EdmundSetsu]

@@kfadock ah yeah, saw that from a Twitter post days ago would consider check Babish's channel up later

[@leanneweird9714]

“Progressive orthodoxy” - never said on KZbin before 😂 A great conversation about cancel culture. Would love to hear you talk about ‘intellectual’ topics. And yes get bens brother to talk about math - would be fab!

[@wildador]

I agree with Cristine, it doesn’t take anything away, at that it amplifies the message. Bad behavior is bad behavior, and “exposing” people you see all the time in the front spot of media, and them acknowledging this brings attention to their audience who might not have noticed the nuances. Just because it isn’t on a bigger societal scale, that make it misplaced effort?