Sin's Mysterious Food Buff Mechanic Explained! - Guilty Gear Strive

[@rooflemonger]

Hey two videos today! So Sin has launched, and while he's mostly straightforward the thing is the Food Buffs. Before launch, they didn't explain it, and here we are at launch and... they don't explain it. So I banged my head against the wall for a while figuring out what exactly does what, and now let me tell you how it all works in this fine video which you can like and subscribe and all that stuff. Honestly its probably gonna wind up being a minor gimmick mechanic but who knows, could be that Evo 2023 is won by Sin Fish speed combos.

[@ImarBenIsrael]

Roof is this as great or as bad a trait as wonder woman or enchantress in injustice 2? If you remember they both had a trait that gave various buffs or debuffs but it was completely random and you couldn't control it playing them . Hell with enchantress your opponent didn't know either . It was silly smh 😔

[@rooflemonger]

@@ImarBenIsrael both those have much more actual impact on the match despite being random, this is more a for fun thing honestly far as I can tell

[@iliakatster]

There's a twitter post going around that's quantified all the numbers. it seems that when you get a stronger effect for meat, lobster, and fish you also get an increase in the time they last, going between 2 and 6 seconds.

[@Liteyears11]

This move both literally and figuratively exists only for flavor purposes.

[@RedstoneRailroadRR]

I kinda wish the food could recover some stamina, kinda reward his combo plays if he takes a second to refill it. Similar to how chaos will reload bullets.

[@fissilewhistle]

They’re probably trying to avoid any gameplay similarities to Chaos, for obvious reasons.

[@maxcar7298]

I mean that's xrd sin

[@ATOMICGOPHAH13]

he did this last game so it’s a good thing xrd is getting rollback

[@miamiboy305th]

Now that ive gotten a hang of his set play im starting to get a hang of the eating. Now I try to make sure im always buffed so I eat after every combo. I also use it to bait the opponent into thinking im open so they always jump in and attack. Then I just cancel it into a D.P And once they respect it I eat as much as I can so I have all buffs. The top speed and tension buffs can really be game changers.

[@spicyluvsyou]

I get the feeling this would be cooler if it was a taunt. A taunt that just randomly buffs your character if you go through it.

[@ggplyr1262]

Dunno, eating in the middle of raging fight is kinda taunting to me..

[@Elivanse]

A taunt would make it much worse

[@auditoryproductions1831]

Thats basically what this is, a taunt with a subtle reward attached. But it's a good idea to frame it that, you could even extend that to all characters

[@16Vessel]

Skullgirls be like

[@Jate7]

Can’t wait to see someone in tourney weasel a win because Lizard buff gave them enough HP to survive than if they didn’t eat a Lizard.

[@Ramsey276one]

Get him a Minecraft gift card! XD

[@gokufromfortnite867]

Imagine somebody baiting out a move eating ice cream then doing R.T.L from the tension

[@m0002856]

Well… I’m glad I was kinda right. I called: “a damage buff either on par with positive bonus or less. A defense buff on par with positive bonus or less. A tension meter filling one.” But 5 effects that can roll on random ranges of how strong they actually are… geez. I honestly kinda wonder why they bothered to give him this ability at all honestly. They felt okay dramatically changing some other characters (Elphelt has to manually reload her bullets and she keeps calling herself “Happy Chaos” now), BUT SIN STILL GOTTA EAT THO.

[@charnor2727]

Being a gear seems to consume a ton of calories

[@ckorp666]

makes me wonder if it was majorly nerfed relatively late in his dev time and they just kept it in for fun

[@rachetmarvel931]

Except that Elphelt had to manually reload her shotgun and sniper in xrd, so i don't know where you are going with this.

[@Ramsey276one]

That last paragraph XD

[@cafequente8252]

Honestly, I think they only did it so Sin players wouldn't complain that they can't eat lol

[@rooflemonger]

So this is a video just to give you a day 1 taste of how Sin works, gonna get some rest and then start working on the Combo Guide. HOPEFULLY, live tomorrow, but if not tomorrow than the next day. After that the usual big Tips and Tricks guide you come to expect, that will be either end of this weekend or very early next week. Bridget was like, 3? months ago, so its been a hot minute since we had some new GG strive characters to work with!

[@Crimsontears83]

Finally! Tired of them being all coy about it Yeah, they're probably gonna need to buff this. I'm not seeing too many people wasting time to eat mid match when it doesn't fill your stamina and the boosts they do give could be negligible.

[@peepopogchamp]

i dont think they want this move to be very good mostly just a nod to how he is very hungry

[@junipetta1595]

it’s a silly move, it’s ok if it’s not great it doesn’t have to be. he doesn’t need it they just added it as like a half reference

[@NickJJU]

It honestly seems like a glorified taunt. I don't think they want it to be useful at all.

[@Viitoldie1]

A lizard heal at the end of an easy f.S>6H could definitely add up and make a difference, especially since he plays around the midscreen where poking with a life lead is an essential part of gameplay.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

It's a shame they took his most interesting mechanic and made it into something minor at best.

[@Zeroakafreddyiscool]

Food buffs on thanksgiving how fitting haha

[@TheBriguy1998]

I'm not one that usually gets on Strive's ass for simplifying things, as usually it means things are just more streamlined or changed around to fit the game's more grounded playstyle, even though a bit of nuanced might be lost, but this seems significantly too far for the simplification. At least Baiken got a regular counter to maintain aspects of her defensive playstyle in place of what she had before (as well as the tether mechanic) but eating food doesn't seem to be important to Sin at all this time around. The move is still there, but they've deleted its functionality. Taking that away and giving him passive stamina regen just makes him more like Nago, which they clearly wanted to differentiate Sin from by changing his special-to-special cancels into canned follow-ups and making the initial special moves cost nothing (which I'm fine with), so I see this as a clear failure of design on the part of Arcsys.

[@NickJJU]

Except that Nago's blood gauge goes down pretty slowly on its own, and requires you to use sword normals or command grab or super in order to bring it back down. Sin's meter just requires you to wait and not use special follow-ups for a bit. There's so little decision making required in managing Sin's meter in this game. Far less than with Nago.

[@onehitwonders7729]

I don’t think the problems is that they *simplified* it, rather the opposite. They complicated it with no real benefit. Still growing in Xrd had one goal and one goal only that was to fill his calories gauge to a fix Point which was a great drawback from making Sin too strong and oppressive. Here, they got him numerous of food, that does different things from little to ACTUALLY no benefit. They turned Still growing into a RNG fest and the worst part about it is that it can fit in his normal game plan. Sin want to play to get in your face after a knockdown or put you in a situation was it hard to punish him, which is shown by his Gazelle step and his air buttons. It doesn’t help that he can’t use this on someone while they’re knockdown near him, so they want you to use it fullscreen probably. either way, Arc basically telling you if you have to go out of your way to make it work

[@TheBriguy1998]

@@onehitwonders7729 I think, even though the mechanic has more variables, its simplified in practice, because you're barely ever going to use it, at least when compared to the Xrd version. Your overall gameplan is simplified, even if the mechanic itself is more complicated if you're actually trying to make good use of it.

[@onehitwonders7729]

@@TheBriguy1998ironically they want you to use all the moves

[@pikachuattack542]

I really, really hope they buff this... well, his buffs, to either make the moderate buffs way more consistent, or make the randomness vary even more, so he can get like a third of his health back or twice the speed, etc. Maybe not that extreme, but enough to where it actually matters to even have the move anymore.

[@sheepertheclassical6597]

Honestly, maybe they could make it not random, but like the longer you wait inbetween uses, the better it is?

[@overaveragepotato5159]

@@sheepertheclassical6597 or maybe if you hold the button longer he takes more bites and thus the effect gets stronger.

[@mmangalisomasinga432]

@@overaveragepotato5159 Honestly, that sounds like a great idea

[@wisdomcjs250]

The move seems about as useful as the coy explanation lol. I think this might affect 1 round out of every 500? Really liking the character though otherwise. Simple enough but there's a ton to master

[@LeFisheboi]

It affects every round it's used via sin losing neutral and or his turn depending when it's used

[@FuzionOki]

The eat seriously needs a buff it was such a dope mechanic in xrd but now its practically useless they either need to buff the buffs it give currently significantly or make is so it restores his meter or increases the speed he regains it

[@juufa]

I was literally looking for an explanation and you posted. Thank you, you're an actual savior 🙏

[@theofficialpaladyn1148]

I'm surprised that there is not a buff that restores a part of his stamina meter. I understand that this would be closer to his Xrd game plan but you think that they would consider it at least. Ngl I was expecting more from the buffs.

[@AndysBackpack]

Make it cycle, or have to run through all 5 before getting the same one again, and always provide it with the highest stat and it'll literally still be underpowered lmao This is just a yummy taunt

[@volcanicviper5984]

there is something terrifying about how sin eats the lobster

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD

[@OccuredJakub12]

I wish you could use the food as a followup to his specials and for it to still recover stamina. The buffs on their own don't seem strong enough to be worth it but also since they're random, I wouldn't want them being stronger on their own either.

[@luckyme750]

Sin is like Sol and Ky fuse together or thier child...

[@hakunam.r.8880]

"Max level fish combos" This is a sentence i didn't know existed

[@taco_sensei]

Thank you, I was looking for a video like this

[@radar4104]

Yeah, this is basically a joke tier reference move. It's like they planned for it to work the same way as Xrd, finished the animation, then changed their mind and didn't want to throw it away lmao

[@Dozer22334]

Exactly my thoughts

[@Ramsey276one]

You’d rather it be Happy Chaos-tier on Day 1, or buffed next patch?

[@radar4104]

@@Ramsey276one I'd rather it not be in the game at all when the only purpose it serves is referencing a mechanic that doesn't exist anymore lol "hey guys, remember how Sin used to have an eating mechanic?"

[@beanjuice54]

Thanks for the clarification 👍🏾

[@Aetohatir]

I was just asking myself what does the food do after trying him for a bit, and just as I opened KZbin there thus Video was on my homepage. Great timing.

[@maxwell2194]

Thank you for doing this research so I didn't have to. I was convinced there was no rhyme or reason to them

[@sinacide11]

I definitely thought he had a big glass of red wine in that thumbnail haha

[@scottnotpilgrim]

Thank you finding out what the hungry boy buff does

[@sa1gon1]

It's thanksgiving, and it's time to feast!

[@Dizintegrator]

Two layers of randomness = unused mechanic. They should either let him select what he eats and keep random effectiveness (or maybe the more you hold the button the better it becomes?) or keep what procs random but always have the same effectiveness. They should also indicate which buff is active on the character (slightly glowing aura maybe?). Personally I'd take both: same motion but different buttons to select a meal as well as holding it to increase effect strength or duration. As it stands right now this mechanic feels undercooked (hur huurrr)

[@magillagorilla57]

The buff amount should always be on the high end since it's random what you get. Even the high end buffs don't look game changing as is

[@skiks3562]

"Max level fish combos" is the kind of impenetrable word salad that makes me love ArchSys.

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD

[@2centstudios]

I think everybody was planning to go into the lab on food thanks to their incredibly detailed description, but I didn't get a chance with Thanksgiving stuff going on. Thanks for putting in the leg work for everybody Roof.

[@phdbot4483]

That's pretty wild that Sin's food now provides random buffs. Idk how useful it'll be, but it will certainly be funny. XD

[@KhunShawn]

2:58 AYO

[@randomd00d19]

I like the idea of random buffs, but it's stupid to have varying levels. If they wanted to balance it, make it so that he can only get one of each per round at the highest level of each. Then he has a real option of either setting up oki or buffing himself when knocking down opponents. The way the move is right now... why even bother?

[@blacknerdtalks7921]

Typical Japan, not explicitly stating what the food buffs are. Makes me think back to Guilty Gear XX, and how FRC's were randomly discovered, by accident, back in the day😂 Anyways, thanks for lobbing this one out for us rooflemonger🙌🏿

[@jayosonic]

Dang you banged you head against the game don’t you mean you did Goldlewis’s grab

[@colonelpopcorn7702]

Judging from his bags, Sin’s a big rooflemonger intro fan

[@Yakuo]

Thanks RM!

[@fallonrishiva7841]

It just seems like the random element means this will never compete with the oki or screen presence you give up to use this.

[@joeljackson4228]

Again thank you roof

[@null-wq5cp]

I always felt sol’s scaling didn’t feel that accurate because Ky was taller than him but Sin makes this very apparent lol. Isn’t he suppose to be 6ft?? This is very similar to the RYU situation in sfv (Like sakura was taller than him lol).

[@trippersigs2248]

Hungry Hungry Himbo.

[@Kfo221]

Seems like they only kept this mechanic in just so he can keep his identity

[@Ramsey276one]

Better than seeing articles like “Lobster wins World Finals!” XD

[@hihigocat]

"something good happens" 😊

[@Yuieatspaint]

dude i thought it recovers stamina like in xrd, i really liked that mechanic in him because it forces you to manage your resources, strive is such a baby game :((

[@Dizintegrator]

Strange... They had training room options for RNG procs like Faust's What Could It Be why not have one for this proc too? Edit: are you sure the buff intensity is random, cuz it might be tied to timing when you release the button? (since some of his specials have this mechanic)

[@rooflemonger]

very sure the buffs are random in intensity, nothing to do with timing.

[@TheSinquisitor]

More fluff than anything else, but it's definitely the "seasoning" that gives Sin his "flavor." Jokes aside, he just wouldn't be Sin without the move.

[@Cezkarma]

Wow, the food went from Sin's core mechanic in Xrd to something that's basically irrelevant in Strive. There's no way anyone would ever eat instead of going for damage/pressure/oki, etc. As much as I want to love Strive, they keep gutting my favourite characters. I really want Xrd rollback back.

[@Dark_Tesla]

"Max level fish combos"

[@d.manowdxngw.s.n7823]

Summary of the story: this move suck, never use it...

[@stako6440]

THANK YOU

[@Kemdirim22]

basically they brought back the food eating from xrd but its no longer tied to his core gameplay mechanic anymore now we have the flag stamina gauge that depletes with the follow-ups

[@arandomguyontheinternet2308]

Yes

[@Cassapphic]

Compared to xrd where making space and windows to eat was a huge part of his character, this is laughably weak and very disappointing.

[@Asura_ig]

Rooflemonger please for the love of god make a vid about perfectly tuning his Tyrant Barrel. I broke all of my fingers and my brain is fried

[@rooflemonger]

itll be covered in the big tips and tricks guide at the bare minimum

[@Asura_ig]

@@rooflemonger thank god, my hands can’t take any more

[@Maedawg0001]

I think the move would be really useful if it was ONLY lizards. all of the other foods seem so extremely minor and useless.

[@gregorsamsat]

HES FUCKING THAT SHIT UP!! EAT EAT EAT!!

[@joaquincoronel342]

It’s obvious to me at least that they didn’t want this character to be too busted out the gate, maybe in the future they’ll start giving more utility to this once he finds his place in the meta

[@no_nameyouknow]

I agree most of the bonuses are just a novelty, but HP and meter for free aren't bad, especially HP. That could come into play in a match for sure. If it was HP all the time it would be downright OP in my opinion.

[@Uooooooooooooh]

you give up your offense to eat and strive has explosive damage, it might save you but probably wouldn't be OP

[@HonkHonkGoose776]

it seems that food was just an easter, and its likely the character was design without it in mind

[@idkwhatimdoin2298]

thx a lot for this guide, ngl i would've expected the fish buff to restore a bit of the flag meter, or burst meter, speed doesn't seem that important for Sin tbh

[@n1hondude]

I wish SFV added more RNG besides Oro and his Tengu Stones, I have at least 4 great examples of such RNG usages: - Cody's VT1: regular knife, combat knife, tanto VT2: the pipe, barbedwire bat, crowbar different speeds and power - Abigail's VS2: normal tire, monster truck tire, stonewheel - Menat's VT1 and VT2 and Rose's VS2: just like the tengu stones, have a small % to have a different orb with glowing a different colour with other ailments (burn, freeze, stun, poison)

[@Ramsey276one]

STONE WHEEL???

[@n1hondude]

@@Ramsey276one Yes, go watch The Flinstones lol

[@sergiok6660]

They honestly should just cut it down a bit. Maybe 2-3 possibel strengths for each buff. I honestly say just have it be the max strength for every buff and just keep the rng. I'd even go as far as to say they should do the "tetris" effect like SFV Rose, and just show you what food is next so you can plan around it.

[@dangerousdays2052]

They should have made Sin obese and struggling with diabetes.

[@hoboryan3455]

Man...Just always nailing it with A+ info vids.

[@fallonrishiva7841]

It would be more uaeable if you could select the buff and cancel it into a follow up,then he could eat meat in the middle of a combo with RC.

[@Nicokun632]

I think the food is totally not worth giving up an oki chance. You would argue the health bonus is great, but all the rest of the buffs feel like a "Try again next time to get health. Te he~". Kinda wish the different reward the food would give you force a certain type of play. Like, idk, counter hit property on your next special (1 time use) like Xrd Slayer's Succ

[@lnazumaKanon]

Called DANGO ice cream ..

[@VileLasagna]

After a quick training session I feel like people will want to eat a lot looking for tension because this boy has so many paths to good Roman Cancels. His overdrives felt hard to combo into, tho, at least from a fuller combo that has one of his specials in. I'm guessing it'll mostly either be from a wall slump or maybe Tyrant Barrel in the corner to try and combo from the bounce (though I didn't test to see if he recovers fast enough)

[@egebamyasi2929]

I also had a feeling that max tension is the only real worthwhile dice roll. But compared to Faust meteor it's rather tame.

[@VileLasagna]

@@egebamyasi2929 Yeah, but I don't think the two are very comparable. Food seems to be quite safe, it's part of your oki flow. They get blasted out or knocked down, you eat. You're always getting a something and Sin is good at closing distances again so I think this will be very safely spammable. With Faust the difference is that it's an offensive option and some of the other options are quite dangerous as well. Plus, tossing items feels way more core to his gameplan. We'll see how it goes, this may get buffed in the future (at least patch the bloody description, lol) I think, but because of the randomness, it'll be tricky

[@nh2565]

His overdrives are pretty nice to combo into imo can Kara from any special (apart from food) if you got a stamina!

[@VileLasagna]

@@nh2565 I didn't try karas during my one brief session, though it did cross my mind. THAT could be indeed scary

[@NickJJU]

I highly doubt this move will be part of his gameplan. It's not worth giving up okizeme for.

[@tylercafe1260]

Healing and Meter seem pretty good but the other buffs and the timer differences are mad random

[@EvaristoMoreira86]

This move is not worth giving up pressure

[@xeddiealchemistx1178]

The eating mechanic should've just worked like Happy Chao's concentration meter or like older games cause this is something you are never gonna see in an actual fight like at all also the fact that it's random and may or may not be beneficial and the outcome is so small makes this move completely worthless just have it increase the regeneration of your stamina meter since that's sin's main gimmick or have it give you 1 stamina bar after eating why can happy chaos have that mechanic in the game already but give sin this oddly RNG eating mechanic

[@cylondorado4582]

I’m seeing this as a good sign. I could be wrong, but maybe they didn’t want it to be that good since Sin is already strong without it. As opposed to him being mediocre and needing the buff to be strong.

[@parisatkins32]

Ugh hopefully this move gets a lil buff I kinda like playing the dice roll game but I want it to be worth something at least kinda like faust

[@pian-0g445]

I wish it was possible to choose what to eat by pressing different buttons. I don’t know how they would balance it though. Or maybe have made it so he can eat while moving. It’s not that long of a move but still, for Oki and combos, there’s not really any reason to sue it in a real match. Or maybe make it so it rotates between the 5. It always has the same order, but what does is incentives you to use it often as you know you’ll be getting next, with the doing all of them being the last one.

[@mrfatmancory]

You'd think today's games would just on a basis included information like this. For crap’s sake, frame data is a standard thing to know now. Thankfully, we have guys like you that will go out of their way to figure it out so the rest of us can quickly learn.

[@ZenithPotentia]

They should’ve just made each buff be a set amount instead of being random. Like 10% across the board would’ve been fine.

[@gemgaman]

Yo that's kinda crazy, how you randomized the randomness !

[@Houldey]

Seems like they included it out of some sorta feeling of obligation, its so minor and difficult to even tell whats happened - why bother? Seems like a waste of dev time tbh, if they were that desperate to include food in his gameplan they could have done it in any number of ways, this just is just undercooked.

[@Konami2k]

"Something good happens when he eats"? Really!??? It is not user friendly at all. You have to check videos on KZbin to know what's the properties of every food. It is not cool for beginners. Thank you rooflemonger for the explainations.

[@xidjav1836]

My guess for why the giant nerf from Xrd is that this was supposed to be meant for his meters (health, stamina, RISC, Burst,Tension), they figured it was too strong too late and nerf the shit out of them. The moveset has been reduced so a lot of these should be strong utility and purpose, this is one of the bad ones that I feel they did.

[@Ramsey276one]

New caterer by next patch? XD

[@freischutz898]

I am just very happy of not having another Nago in the game

[@antonsimmons8519]

I'm glad you did this one, because honestly...he's damn near interesting enough to buy, but I'm pretty much waiting on the last two to see whether I buy the pass... Flag-boi looks fun, but I admit to primarily being a waifu-fighter by trade XD

[@zerocharisma573]

Your voice reminds me of the Dark souls carving stones

[@rooflemonger]

i dont know what that means

[@zerocharisma573]

@@rooflemonger they're items that you can throw and they speak, simple messages like "Hello" or "Very good!" but it's a deep voice that sounds like the start of this video

[@longfall_]

TL:DW: good things happen

[@lukek.5773]

2:24 p sure it's 5% missing health or something

[@wickthetrickster461]

this looks like a load of silly garbage to phase out Sin's need to food, and honestly let's be thankful for it. No one likes being subjected to the whims if fate so the fact that the buffs are so inconsequential and your so unlikely to get anything you want when you want it... is honestly somewhat comforting. I don't want my boy to be the new villain of this game.

[@OnyxeBlade]

While I have no intentions of playing Sin. I sincerely appreciate you for breaking this information down for us

[@HsgMat]

Did you mention if it stacks?

[@gavo7911]

Sin was my main Xrd, granted I only played that game for about 10 hours, but I was so excited for him in Strive. And he’s great, probably gonna be my new main, but I have to ask what was the point in turning one of his main mechanics into a glorified taunt?

[@streetfighte6]

why would player sacrifice the oki chance for this trivial boost

[@blueperseverance3912]

I don't like how this time this gives you in game buffs especially how insignificant those are in game. You legit have no reason to do it or time for that matter to even count. They could have nerfed the stamina recovery speed and make the food actually recharge the stamina bar.

[@dice9270]

Does it stack? Actually no the time limit would prevent that

[@joecoolmccall]

I have trouble believing that the buff is truly "random". There must be a way to trigger a particular buff or percentage of buff.

[@fissilewhistle]

What’s so hard to believe about it? RNG is a thing in fighting games, for better or worse.

[@rooflemonger]

its truly random, try it for yourself if you doubt it

[@woooyeahfunkytime4088]

anyone know if the stat buffs stack? im very new to gg and am loving sin

[@fowlowl6236]

The amount the buff gives you on top of the type of buff being random is kind of cringe lmao. Maybe there is some tech where you are able to safe eat food that makes it totally free.

[@deddrz2549]

I'll say pretty dissappointing, I mean it's already random which thing you get, and on top of this it may not do basically anything at all?

[@Z3R01d]

Comment for algorithm, thanks for making this video.

[@SaveTheContent]

Do they stack tho 🤔

[@RaheemRollair]

This is one hell of a way to balance out his food buffs.

[@Ramsey276one]

Better than Day 1 broken?

[@RaheemRollair]

@@Ramsey276one Obviously if the benefits weren’t randomized and would always guarantee mad stat buffs it would make him nuts.