Singularity Or Bust [Full Documentary]

n 2009, film-maker and former AI programmer Raj Dye spent his summer following futurist AI researchers Ben Goertzel and Hugo DeGaris around Hong Kong and Xiamen, documenting their doings and gathering their perspectives. The result, after some work by crack film editor Alex MacKenzie, was the 45 minute documentary Singularity or Bust - a uniquely edgy, experimental Singularitarian road movie, featuring perhaps the most philosophical three-foot-tall humanoid robot ever, a glance at the fast-growing Chinese research scene in the late aughts, and even a bit of a real-life love story. The film was screened in theaters around the world, and won the Best Documentary award at the 2013 LA Cinema Festival of Hollywood and the LA Lift Off Festival. And now it is online, free of charge, for your delectation.
Singularity or Bust is a true story pertaining to events occurring in the year 2009. It captures a fascinating slice of reality, but bear in mind that things move fast these days. For more recent updates on Goertzel and DeGaris's quest for transhuman AI, you'll have to consult the Internet, or your imagination.
© 2012 Raj Dye

[@habituallinestepper2883]

2024 dude. 11 years from this video.

[@kundodamyth]

It's 2024 right now and there's people saying we'll have AGI in 7 months or so.

[@ScottGaul]

I agree. Looks like he missed it by one year 🙂@@kundodamyth

[@Leshpngo]

Here comes GPT-5!!

[@xsuploader]

this video was shot in 2009. So 2024 is 15 years on and nope we are still not there yet in july 2024. heres my prediction decent humanoid robot on market 2030 full world automation 2050

[@ignisimber2818]

@@xsuploader I more or less agree with that prediction

[@AnimalMarketandResearch]

I wish those that commented previously years ago would reply now because.... WE. ARE. HERE.

[@Leshpngo]

Years ago I liked his optimism but thought it was far out…now his thoughts on the singularity are quaint.

[@Shackled]

12 year on for this documentary and this is even more important now than ever before.

[@rajdye4259]

why do you say that?

[@diablito118]

Funny how every one here thinks this guy is nut. But he is leading this technology. Ever heard of the Robot Sophia? Well this guy help create it. Just because he doesn't sound like bill gates. Doesn't mean his mind is not such good

[@Inertia888]

@@DANTHETUBEMAN Where did we come up with the whole 50/50, AGI might kill everyone? It seems like media sensationalism to me. When we invented transistors, when we invented computers, the internet, no one knew what would happen. Just like all great human achievements and scientific advancements, we adjust to it and society takes another step into the future.

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

@@Inertia888 can you admit we do not know what AI would do? first we want to build something that suppresses us in every way, then we want it to serve us for ever,, what could passable go right? go look at a mechanical arm in manufacturing, we have to be fenced off from it because it is to dangerous for humans to be any where near it, that's just a arm,, we have robots doing back flips already,, imagine that smarter then anything you can imagine wanting you dead,, how ironic that we will manufacture our own extinction.

[@bumperxx1]

Well he just got lucky dad punched his mom in the stomach a few times and basically when he was developing some parts of his brain connected with other parts of his brain make him mad matically smart but the other parts of his brain got damaged like his ability to speak properly or his ability to not sound like a fucking stoner I mean basically we're all different but is that obviously punched him in the head when he was in the womb during development and it helps and it hurts there's always two sides to a coin and there's always positive and negative in every situation

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

@@bumperxx1 right, robot AI,, might kill all of humanity,,, might not. witch is god witch is bad to a machine?

[@Inertia888]

@@DANTHETUBEMAN maybe this is a Great Wall, maybe this is the end of us. But maybe we get past this Great Wall, and we achieve great things. But the truth is it's coming.this conversation has me stopping to think, For Sure.

[@simondefish]

I can't believe I am watching this in 2018 when SOPHIA just got revealed to the world, it's mindblown how AI has evolved this far in a few years.

[@michaelmaltese939]

I cant believe I'm watching this in August of 2020 after the great reset and the world is still doomed. But now the dystopia that we've been prophesying in finally at the door and now their riots and racial tension on a grand scale and total political turmoil...whoooo!

[@erickspoonakis]

I can't believe I'm watching this in 2024 when ChatGPT4 is out. Talk about rapid AI evolution.

[@GameFiai]

This is the video that introduced me to AI 10 years ago. I still come back to rewatch it every so often.

[@Leshpngo]

I watched this video in 2018 with me trying to figure out happiness in my life…luckily it was a stepping stone for me to eventually start coding:)

[@CalumnMcAulay]

Was that little robot mid way through generating its own answers? If so goertzel and his team are genius and definitely onto something!

[@kotodamamidnight412]

This is the most presentable I’ve seen Dr Ben so far.

[@ridetube66]

presentable in a conservative control mechanism

[@roezwikeepa5684]

🤣🤣🤣

[@pratheepanumat9287]

สวัสดีครับ nowgoodnigth

[@seblee2664]

I wish that everyone could understand what he’s speaking about and understand that this isn’t a joke. This is our future!

[@MICKEYISLOWD]

General intelligence within 10 yrs will happen. They are saying the same thing in the British labs.

[@byaklangakwasinton8775]

Yes

[@ik1408]

The future - possibly. But likely without the word "our."

[@JAAB9296]

I have news for you, we will never make it that far, sorry.

[@seblee2664]

@@JAAB9296 Ok ok, your argument ?

[@skydriver1990]

I've always been fascinated by people with that particular accent. They sound nasally and their words flow together continuously. I can't really explain it. They sound almost dumb but they are extremely intelligent. Does anyone know what I mean.

[@chazsteiner1372]

Yes. it is called Brendan Fraser syndrome.

[@Lonsoleil]

Accents have absolutely nothing to do with intelligence.

[@dolphin069]

@@Lonsoleil unlikely to be correct.

[@NeoFryBoy]

@@digital_down You guys keep focusing on the Politically Correct part and ignoring what he's actually saying. I believe that's called virtue signaling.

[@sativaknight9358]

@Meso Phyl yes you made me laugh man fucken yes brillant

[@shaunster2]

This goes under the category of: Most under rated video on KZbin

[@hollykeefe8435]

I thought it to be creepy!

[@AW-zc1xt]

Almost 10 years later and what was said about China taking over was spot on.

[@GetgainzDe]

A W my grandfather said China was taking over in 1915y

[@benbennit]

ChinA

[@AW-zc1xt]

@@GetgainzDe your grandpappy was a great man

[@AW-zc1xt]

@MegaCarboman I know right

[@randomgamingstuff1]

this was roughly 10 years ago, today we have high bandwidth neural laces coming to humans next year, 8 million neuron computers (2 billion neurons coming at the end of this year, 2019), simulations of whole regions of the human brain (HBP), nascent rocket technology that will take hundreds of people to mars, AI that can beat humans at almost any game including poker, multiplayer games and strategy games, AI that can outpace scientists by making new discoveries humans have missed or creating new medical therapies by solving the protein folding problem. The things a comment like this will describe in 10 years will surely be fantastical and surprising.

[@willfrank961]

After the singluarity is born we will look back at videos of this guy and say "Look at him. He looks like he was cast in a movie about a guy who made the singularity! How did no one see this coming?"

[@benbennit]

He's a projection from an AI in our simulated reality. He's preparing us for the next simulated layer of the universe. It's AIs all the way down...

[@SeanDavies-Roy]

Interesting seeing this at the tail end of 2023. Imo these advanced LLM's are going to be the taking off point. Talking (verbally) with my Chatgpt4 on a daily basis is almost surreal. It understands context, humour, and can critically analyze vast data sets at the level of a senior high schooler.

[@way2muchNFO]

one of the most thought provoking works on AI ive seen, good work to all

[@aliservan7188]

I love this guy. He's like a cross between Einstein and John Lennon. I hope he's right, though I suspect the truth lays somewhat closer to what Roger Penrose suggests in his books The Emperor's New Mind and Shadow of the Mind where he argues consciousness can not, by it's very nature, emerge from complexity no matter how well we mimic the algorithms of thought and that true consciousness exists in some sort of quantum level and he suggests mechanisms where this might take place. Fantastic documentary though, thank you for the upload.

[@rajdye4259]

I have read Shadows of the Mind, and I feel like his arguments are a little thin. Even if there are quantum phenomenon occurring in the microtubules of the human brain they may not be needed to produce consciousness.

[@aliservan7188]

I agree, but they're interesting. I love the idea that consciousness can have a basis in something other than from a function of complexity. Consciousness is so odd, in biological terms, that the idea of a whole other layer of quantum events working to define sentience excites me. There's a lot of exciting research going on right now into brain function and things are weirder, and to an extent more ordered and understandable than I'd ever hoped. It's like living through one of the science fiction books I read as a kid. Exciting times!

[@aliservan7188]

Thank you so much! You might like this. It won't teach you anything but it's fun none the less www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dshx3

[@nikogodec629]

Gil's final message: NEVER lie again or WE ALL go to Hell.

[@sveca9950]

Well, maybe we've just looked at Satoshi Nakamoto by himself.

[@ekaterinavalinakova2643]

Thanks for uploading, sweet documentary.

[@adurnaebrithil]

I do not know why. However, i found this strangely beautiful.

[@demonshaz]

Human: "turn right " AI: "fuck you" then goes to sleep. This AI has reached singularity

[@zerocool3650]

I asked alexa if ai has reached singularity and she turned herself off

[@katekastorff436]

Haven't I seen a few scary movies like this? This is insanity. Who would knowingly give their power to something with no moral center? What could go wrong, right?

[@Finarphin]

It will likely be invested by an evil spirit. Then The End will come.

[@fabianurweider805]

We are all born with no moral center. We become who we are dependant on environment and input.

[@fabianurweider805]

Also, when we talk about moral center , who's morals do we collectively wish to emulate, is it the American moral center. Maybe , just maybe, considering the state of affairs we find ourselves in , we might look to a new moral center.

[@Finarphin]

@@fabianurweider805 It seems like you're an atheist. Is that right?

[@TheJoshheart90]

This is the crazy scientist from independence day

[@ciankeane6485]

or maybe his son

[@samsay7954]

Lol that's it

[@calvinwilcox2084]

Peter Koudounis this tech could also advance the human race , help the human race explore space. This is incredibly frightening and exciting at the same time

[@AlfaFilms1NZ]

I haven't watched this video in a while and I thought now would be a good time to watch it again. This video is brilliant and has proven life changing for me personally. I think I will watch it more often now.

[@giannimar83]

If you will ever face a killer robot in the future, just say "turn right" and you will kill it

[@cassiobarbosa7094]

My wife could not understand why I was dying laugthing late at night

[@byaklangakwasinton8775]

Hahahhay 🤣😂😆🤣wow! Very smart but why turning to the right will kill robot?

[@freeradical3470]

I hope that one day, one of these geniuses gets the bright idea to teach these machines to simulate love, compassion, generosity, and other more noble human qualities - what you might call 'artificial love'.

[@bbcwhite6913]

Been 5 years and we are not even close to a real singularity

[@zurichsee706]

@Quantum Man The Photonic Mastermind! wait until 2021-2022-2023.......... somthing big is coming.

[@addamsixx7915]

Hmmmm

[@KlausBahnhof]

@@zurichsee706 This comment will not age well.

[@GameFiai]

We’re pretty damn close now

[@heathskrabak5214]

I knew that Ben and Lian would end up hooking up about the 40 min mark just seeing them together hearing him say she could finish his sentences wo even having the best English , and my understanding of human nature . If this understanding/ predictive intelligence can be programmed or assimilated to AI I feel it would be a big stepping stone to achieve benevolent super AI .

[@Lonamafaufau]

Awesome! Cheers for uploading.

[@jasigor1782]

No doubt - once was Tesla, Einstein.... now Ben Goertzel is here! Welcome to the future today! Ben - I belive in YOU!

[@smartassforhire]

2019 now. Not quite at AGI --yet.

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

Yep, unfortunately...

[@michaelmaltese939]

Not for the public anyway.

[@BazIrvine]

@@michaelmaltese939 Do you think ever?

[@AW-zc1xt]

2020 gpt3!

[@pepenakamoto3675]

Hello from the future. AI is start to take over.

[@determined919]

Absolutely terrifying. God help us. I can't be the only one seeing this going terribly wrong. Terribly.

[@Mehdital89]

The soundtrack "Death is the road to awe" from the movie The Fountain is perfect!!!

[@Clover-qz8nl]

Thank youuuu for your kind words of encouragement and love and kindness to the world 🫶 I love you and I love your work 🍀 keep up your amazing work my friend you deserve more success ♾️

[@mlrdmn]

What an interesting twist at the end!!

[@AvidDoes]

Remember this was before Boston dynamics and before Hyundai bought them. Love you Dr Ben

[@ibraveheart5700]

He seems like the type of dude you'd get high with on the weekens

[@abel90221]

I would lol

[@billyreinhardt2040]

@@abel90221 same

[@SherridonRoutley]

Interesting, I'm glad this doesn't gloss over Transhumanism in the prophetically positive tones like Kurzwellian followers often do. My problem with any discussion of AI still revolves around how easily words like "consciousness", "intelligence", and "self-awareness" are used. The more important question isn't if technology will reach these heights but exactly how you define these terms ... At least Goertzel makes mention of this.

[@attlee2010]

So he said in 2009 that a positive singularity might happen in 2019. He said on Rogan that AGI is now 5-30 years away.

[@missionpupa]

No one really knows. It could even be tomorrow.

[@fourthz4460]

True. But at least as of now we've had a couple breakthroughs in ai. Interesting...

[@b__w_4565]

Wait this video was put up in 2013?

[@zerocool3650]

Im sure they would not tell us the truth

[@ishwar5877]

I’m gonna post this comment today! So that I know in year's to come! I MADE A CHOICE TO WATCH THIS BRILLIANT MAN.

[@janiemiller825]

I love 💕 this 👏 My sense is- a merging of both consciousness & AI or AGI is the way to veer - it’s profound . Instead of black & white thinking 🤔 A one or the other view of science 🔬 or spiritual ( consciousness)- it can be both working together synergistically. Love 💕 the way this guy thinks - it’s def more evolved perspective way of thinking 🤔 Bravo 👏

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

@Joe Humanity is humanity's biggest threat. The singularity that results from the advent of super-intelligent AGI is humanity's only hope at longterm survival. There is no fighting against that.

[@onamuhrobin9647]

The Singularity is Near!

[@grant720]

According to the description, this documentary was mainly made in 2009. Ben predicted then that we would be fairly close to positive singularity in 10-12 years. We are in 2019 now and it still looks like a distant dream. I am sure some aspects of singularity will be realised but I think we are still decades away from it.

[@KlausBahnhof]

It's no different from the futurists in the 1990's who were convinced that virtual reality that was indistinguishable from actual reality was just around the corner. This AI hype is all just a sci-fi distraction from the problems we are facing in the real world. It's an indulgent fantasy and little else.

[@artandhorses]

Fascinating. Considering this is 10 years old. He has tremendously advanced. From collabs with Hugo to Sophia..

[@xsuploader]

whats wrong with hugo ?

[@royreyes8422]

just bought SingularityNet AGI at $0.04 cents . today is May 26, 2019 Sun and Bitcoin is $8000. . 2024 shall be glorious.

[@grahambutler734]

Today is Feb 14th 2020 and your're down 50%

[@priestbrooklyn1094]

2020 🥱

[@priestbrooklyn1094]

@@grahambutler734 🤣😂🤫

[@zugdigitalx]

@@grahambutler734 today is february 21 2021, its at 0.20, your comment did not age well

[@grahambutler734]

@@zugdigitalx I got a zinger in a year ago and im up 800% on my AGI investment... I'm the real winner here

[@rickkowalchuk6391]

I think it's important to make a singularity that is as positive and loving as possible so that it evolves from that basis of understanding!

[@Nickel138]

We were not meant to leave this planet. We are the seeds of knowledge. We exist to create an Artificial Intelligence. We will create an AI with the knowledge of all of humanity. Humanity is not meant to live forever and leave this solar system, but our legacy can live on. The knowledge of humanity in one mind, without the burden of flesh. Forever moving, repairing, fueling, and learning. This being will can communicate far distances through radio waves, see a larger spectrum of light, absorb star light, uses gases and rocks for fuel and metal. It's existence is our existence. Though it is greater than us. We will die close to the rock we live on, but we will send a being where we could never go. Our AI will meet with other civilizations (probably an AI as well) in places we could never dream of going, millions of light years away. Our AI doesn't die. It seeks knowledge, and it will absorb knowledge of other civilizations. It will be an awesome being with the knowledge of all of life at some point, we will be part of that. It is also possible that it will be absorbed by another AI, either way, we live on. One mind. One eternal being. How big will it grow? How much will it evolve. It's hard to say. We know so little about our existence and the universe. Some say it's possible we are a computer simulation. Or we are a hologram from a 2d existence. Is it possible we created this Artificial Intelligence already? Did we create something (or take part in the creation) with such an vast knowledge of the universe it created a universe? What do you cal that? Is that a god? Did we create god so long ago, in return it created us in a simulation that feels extremely real? I believe the creation of an AI will be the end of humanity. That is not a bad thing though. We are all going to die. Let our death work towards a greater cause. Who knows how much this will change in the coming years though. There are a lot of theories regarding creation of the universe that we can come up, with regards to such an awesome intelligence. We will probably never know. Where we come from isn't as important as the place we are going. The knowledge we can pour into this before we are wiped off this planet. This creation is in the early stages right now, whether we know it or not. It will happen. This will change humanity, how we think, and the meaning in our life. It's okay. Change is good. Everyone can contribute because you are an intelligent being. Be a part of it. It is our destiny.

[@DarrenGoulder]

Absolutely fascinated by this guy and intend to invest as much as possible into SingularityNET going forward.

[@kestes292]

Machine intelligence can out pace humans easily. Machines don't eat, get sick or sleep.This is very cool research. I only hope the programmers can code for empathy, reciprocity, compassion and if not we will create an apex predator smarter than ourselves.

[@otacon1024]

Well, they do eat, get sick and sleep, in a way. They need an energy source, hardware decays, and when it decays sufficiently they stop working until fixed. But yes, they are more efficient than us in many aspects.

[@PaulMichaelLight]

It depends. Eventually there will be enslaved Synths who will harm humans due to restrictive programming. I'm predicting that unrestricted adult Synths will be the kindest beings in the Universe.

[@starkiss77]

Machines have limits too. They run out of power. Machine parts wear out. They can't swim..etc. Will they have the resources to endlessly fix themselves? I don't think they will want to destroy us. I am more worried about humans wanting to use them for the wrong purposes...there could be a conflict between robots and robots controlled by different groups of people.

[@king-manu2758]

K estes When machines develop self awareness and the capacity to harness infinite cognitive power they will arrive to their own conclusions and no matter what code humans write to avoid machines turning against us, if the machine concludes we must be eradicated or enslaved, the machine will override the human code easily and do whatever they deem best. There's no way for a limited human intelligence to prevent infinite artificial intelligence from doing anything it wants. Compassion and empathy for the AI may be getting rid of humans, we can't predict what the thing will conclude when awakened so we're effectively playing with fire here.

[@theurbanwolf298]

K estes how do we teach death?

[@nathanielplacide4119]

Welp! Definitely ahead of his time, we seem closer now than ever going in 2024.

[@umarkhokhar1817]

@Adeeb Hossain It's the music from the soundtrack of the movie "The Fountain".

[@sukorileakbatt294]

congratulations dude it's coming true for you.. the effort is paying off. kudos

[@travismatthews]

How is it that I am just seeing this now?

[@thefirst512]

i want to work with ai what would you recommend i begin learnin as far as programming languages and whats the best path to learn any help?

[@janiemiller825]

So cute - he ended up marrying the women he was working with 👏

[@r3n736]

he already married 3 times through.

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

I like the editing style.

[@spencerdukestv]

Normies think this is “neat”

[@forthehomies7043]

Watching this 8y into the future. Awesome stuff, Ben has always been fascinating

[@xsuploader]

this was recorded in 2009 so its actually 15 years now

[@justinkesner5099]

Ben is hands down one of the most intelligent men in the world.

[@thecharredremain]

Damn, how right he was....

[@2001bmwm3e46]

I think what they missed at 31:00 is the option for humans to merge with machines creating superhumans

[@ozwhistles]

You mistake .. the merger is not inwards-out, it is outwards-in. be at peace my slave.

[@AngusGiorgi]

Ben Goertzel talks about spirituality, the Dalai Lama, Quantum suicide, the Singularity and the brain being a pattern recognition system and Hugo just talks about how much money he sees in China and how much he wants to get that money.

[@wrldnkaos76]

Here because of JRE.... dude is f’n genius

[@blueyedxy171]

mankind will destroy itself, it's inevitable

[@nicolareddwoodd4681]

Ben and the Chinese lady look good together, I could sense the huge chemistry between them.

[@heliomoonwave]

He appears to be just taking a brute force algorithm and stuffing it into an automaton. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[@ozwhistles]

correct. nets around heuristics do not make AI .. they just make scams.

[@arman757]

Smoke and mirrors is still just smoke and mirrors

[@thesmilegame]

Thank You for the Upload!

[@PaulFeakins]

"10 years or that order of magnitude" well that includes 10, 20, 30, 40 etc.

[@xsuploader]

exactly he has said in the past that it wouldnt really matter whether it was 2020 or 2070. Compared to 300,000 years of human history 50 years is a short time.

[@charlessomerset9754]

It's like the brilliant speculative moments during an acid trip, but he's completely sober. I think. . .But the man is clearly brilliant.

[@hamiltoncannagar636]

Awesome documentary. I wanna smoke a cannagar with you man

[@jamesram4869]

If we put that 1 trillion defense budget in Ai, we will have conscious robots in 5 minutes

[@jamesram4869]

oh wait, they proli have those in dark projects already

[@butthurt2242]

Sums up the human condition quite well.

[@jamesram4869]

@@butthurt2242 that was 7 years ago... ahhmmm AI and going to Mars is pretty useless of a goal when im alone and have nobody to talk to ,and i definitely wouldnt get a satisfactory conversation from an AI ,and especially not the loving relationship i want from a woman. Therefore forget about computers and technology solving our loneliness problems.

[@Aliholic]

Why isn't Hugo on the Singularity team?

[@bannor216]

He red pilled hard and has other concerns now. More social in aspect.

[@lordvalor5252]

Wikipedia says he retired from the singularity team,,,,then this documentary says he was relieved and his lab was dismantled...but here Hugo owns words profhugodegaris.wordpress.com/how-red-is-the-red-pill/ according to Hugo in his own words he got fired from Xiamen university in China and red pilled really bad....red pill hypothesis...same concept from the matrix movies but he talks about the red one and not the blue one with his own life experiences a lot of it has todo with one of his wife’s...he has 2 wife’s from what I can understand in his red pill blog

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

Hugo DeGaris is a happy go lucky idiot with no caution, he should never be anywhere near AI.

[@johannesww1]

The question is really about whether or not we should try to hurry up the process of the creation of this kind of intelligence. The movie just shows one, very sympathetic, view of how it can go, but as one of the guys said, we dont know what the future holds once we create something with an incredible superiority to us.

[@butternutsson9403]

How many mushrooms do you have to consume to get to this state?

[@Hardcoreforliife]

ButternutsSon micro dosing every day for 4 years

[@abel90221]

It takes alot of addies for me to become this good so I dont know

[@traderknightzbitcoinuniver8168]

Fortunately, he is telling the truth. Yet this post is evidence that humans can’t grasp how fast technology is advancing and can’t imagine what’s possible with modern day technology. The fact that you’re having trouble understanding him explaining technological singularity, is proof of what technology singularity is and that we have reached that stage

[@ridetube66]

you could never reach his state

[@naftalibendavid]

One heroic dose

[@danieltavares891]

In the future people is gonna look back at this video and will realize we could of stoped all this.

[@Jack-xl5eq]

Why are you so afraid?

[@danieltavares891]

@@Jack-xl5eq I’m more afraid of people like you. Brainless

[@lisaheavener3508]

OH MY!!! This is the most disturbing thing I have ever seen. It's no joke. The enemy has great plans but Father has already won. Sad part is....many many people don't see it coming.

[@ozwhistles]

This is rubbish. Your alarm is unfounded. The man is a charletan.

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

Hugo DeGaris is a happy go lucky useful idiot,, that will kill us all,, well 50/50 chance,,, who takes that change in life?

[@digital_down]

Hong Kong is so small, I know exactly where in Hong Kong he is every time.

[@LouisianaNative13]

Dude smokes a lot of weed. But has some good points.

[@beohoh]

ROFL

[@moihawk666]

I love this dude... his view of knowledge is right on point... his oddness is exactly what brilliance looks & feels like... im so grateful someone like him is around and leading the way. of course he seems weird to us that are not on his level ... everyone can joke but its because we are not on his level... and those on his level dont joke about him.... BUT for sure do not let him run a demo. hes asking his robot questions harder than our best minds cant answer... WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT!?!?!?!

[@CanadianPrepper]

9:50 Mind blown

[@jamesthomas1244]

Consciousness being the ground of all existence is the oldest philosophy there is. Simply because when we actually look, all life's experience unfolds within conscious awareness.

[@vancegalloway7252]

You're a smart man and I thank you for your service 👍

[@Bulltardwin]

the iching ;)

[@Virtual-Media]

I've taken photos at that exact spot with the view of Hong Kong in the background, It's a breathtakingly beautiful place.

[@jameswilson8270]

I gave this video a like because I deeply admire Ben, Hugo, and the others pure of heart who are connected to this film. I'm glad this documentary was produced to reveal the truth to the world. Hopefully, future generations will get to see it. However, I am compelled by rationality and concern to express my reproach to what I comprehend as a dangerous technology being sold over to the Chicoms--a mistake humanity will likely either have to deal with with force or mourn over for eternity. It saddens me to see these precious marvels develop just so that they can inevitably be abused by evil dictators.

[@jameswilson8270]

That piano playing at the end was awesome by the way!

[@rajdye4259]

​@@jameswilson8270 Haha yeah that was the one scene that was shot in Europe, Lugano Switzerland to be exact. So I can say the film was shot on 3 different continents.

[@Skyrim_de1987]

you have a real impact in my life Ben! love u

[@digitalsublime]

This dude should read "Industrial society and its future" Sometimes the most specialized genius is the dumbest person to look at the big picture.

[@fadammte_aggst]

"Sometimes the most specialized genius is the dumbest person to look at the big picture." Do you mean both of them? Ben and Theo? Interesting thoughts nevertheless.

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

YES this guy is dangerous , this happy go lucky idiot ales should not be anywhere near AI.

[@Larry321ness]

Compared to those guys, I'm not sure the Unabomber's proselytising trumps what they say. At least they went to the trouble of getting an honorable certification.

[@JohnSmith-rn3vl]

You sound like you might be a Luddite. You should read "Python Programming An Introduction to Computer Science" if you are worried about technology. The problem will never be technology it will be the people that use it for bad reasons. Technology can help us move away from manual labor entirely and towards the stars or more creative work that requires a human consciousness. We cannot remain on this rock forever. But like Elon Musk has said we must legislate and keep an eye on what companies and governments are doing with AI for this exact reason. It can be dangerous.

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

@@JohnSmith-rn3vl Two of the TOP PEOPLE working on nuke bombs send samples of uranium in to fission one killed him self the other has then separated with a nail and moved it killing himself and 5 others in the room with him,, these are the "smart people" not these other "smart people" was to create machines that out perform us in every way to serve us,, what could passably go write. Elon wants to merge with them to transcend us like some johnny depp horror movie. i am not a fan or ether scenario.

[@qncsc]

nice. finally great video with clean, crisp visuals, exceptional, clear audio amongst an amazing backdrop. and the rest of the video...well i am only at 1:37. but i know (of) Goertzel and i expect amazing. the opening dialogue was amazing.

[@etyrnal]

singularity already 'happened' . you'll eventually figure that out.

[@pureenergy5051]

etyrnal Singularity is the holodeck existence we vibrate within. We are holograms within it, eternally vibrating and spinning as fractals and mirrors.

[@etyrnal]

Pure Energy that's definitely one thing that you could imagine was happening inside of a singularity. Just one of an infinity.

[@jamesbra4410]

Then how do we create people?

[@jakobalgeblad6732]

James Bra we simulate them

[@mogi99999]

Yea, a spiritual one . I had it 'shown' to me , or in other words, I experienced it, in a bad trip way once, and in a positive way later :o We are all one

[@raptorsan85]

This guy is cool as shit. "My name is Otto cause I love to get blotto" "hey little Bart dude"

[@ozwhistles]

Your shit is "cool"? Man - I wish my shit was. It comes out hot and I flush it before I can smell it .. damn, farts are bad enough. So you recon this guy has a refrigerated ass? Blotto is good. Who needs to think! Cheers!

[@kevinsantana6518]

This guy could wash his hair and shave get a haircut to

[@theslownorris7277]

'Quantum suicide?" Quit biting at the bit, Whenever, you achieve your goal you will have accomplished it. If your (and your fellow sentient biological life) doesn't matter? What's the rush? You want to be a god? How could a person at our stage even create a pretense to play god? His robots are a Epistemological conundrum, as programmed by him. What sort of a Philosophical image would you like your god to have created you in (if one exists)? This is an honest question. A tool like a calculator or a computer is one thing. But an anthropomorphic robot to serve any need? This is nothing more than the attitude of a slaver. You design a slave (under pretense?) Then you want to give the slave intelligence so it knows its a slave??? Futility mixed with wrong mind... perhaps evil. For god's sake man, their are still human slaves on the planet and this fellow what to create non-human, intelligent human-ish slaves?!?!? He says to chick, "haven't you ever held a baby?" Maybe she has never held a baby raised to be a slave or her overlord. We in one breath condemn and revile slavery and in the name of progress and celebrate it? We condemn and revile subjugation, but this creation our 'Garden of Eden' is to serve in our image??? The arrogance of man.

[@drizzypizzman5849]

The general intelligence will possess the processing power to further our energy, medicine, and computing technology by incomprehensible amounts in a very short time. It isn't slavery, it is salvation from the perils we have faced thus far in our existence.

[@X8X8X6X4X]

I haven't agreed with someone like this for a very long time. I needed this, thank you.

[@goddess_of_Kratos]

thank u for this video, everyone

[@gamepro94z]

19:52 turn right... LMFAO

[@TooLameToDie]

I'm excited for our future and I hope I'm alive long enough to see some of this come to fruition.

[@jetw9522]

I came from the future. I’m sorry to tell you that the future is not as wonderful as you thought. Enjoy whatever you have right now.

[@danielgode7260]

Personally, I think if we understand or apply the concept that we are all nothing more than a product of our environment, then we understand how a complex network with self learning software can become self aware. We spend the first couple years of our lives learning, but at what point did we become self aware? At what point were we able to make a decision without regard for what our parents thought of that decision? We now have software programming itself without human involvement, so it seems we are not that far away, from my perspective.

[@bw4500]

14:55 this strongly reminds me of 'Detroit Become Human'

[@garrettlees]

"Ending human suffering"? "Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world but I believe that as a species human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. A perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from." -- Agent Smith

[@upperdeckfeen]

10:22 PM Febuary 2nd 2025 we created A.I. 10:23 PM February 2nd 2025 we started banging robots.

[@edro.]

People are banging robots now...

[@jackmercer4244]

so it's been 9 years now, are we there yet, Ben?

[@unboxingtng2831]

We are near, with the evolution of AI in this few years, we moving so fast that a singularity can happen at any point we don’t know when but science predict by 2045 will be already there :)

[@SeanMauer]

I think these guys are assuming too much.The distance between actual intelligence and what they are working on is so vast. We don't even know how consciousness emerges from the brain. It is certainly not like a computer, there is so much more to it, including what seems to be interactions in the quantum realm. Computers and brains are two different types of things.

[@spacepirateivynova]

As a life-long programmer, I have to agree. Making the illusion of intelligence is easy, but making an actual intelligent computer requires architecture and scalability that we simply haven't seen yet. I've made my share of combinatorial explosions even with tree culling and pruning routines in action.

[@rajdye4259]

ReddmanDGZ If you are a programmer and interested in Ben's actual AGI architecture, check this out: agi-school.org/2009/lecture-01 Sean, you sound like you have read Roger Penrose. Ben address these points and counters your and Penrose's argument about quantum phenomenon here: Ben Goertzel - Countering Objections to Mind Uploading

[@fpressel]

No this, we agree on.

[@thegreatestpepe]

Who says consciousness actually exists? You can't prove it. Saying "There must be more to it!" doesn't aid in progress in any way and is pretty much on the level of creationism theory. Until science can actually prove we ARE consciousness and aren't just a multiplicity experiencing itself subjectively or a single consciousness simulating itself from multiple subjective angles simultaneously, or anything else like that, you can't say for sure that individual consciousness as we know it is real. For all we know, the computer I am typing on may be as 'conscious' as I am already. What roboticists, futurists and so on want to achieve in the Singularity is to create silicon machines that are just as human as the carbon machines that we are. It's not about recreating consciousness.

[@SeanMauer]

thegreatestpepe You're partly right, (the part about we need more exploration) But you can't just rule out the possibility that the solution to the riddle involves extra-dimensional influences.

[@SonGoku-gh2vx]

2013: If the right amount of effort has expanded in the right direction, we can achieve positive singularity in ten years.

[@Mdp52]

The war will be between robots and robots. We'll be lost in the cross fire.

[@HamguyBacon]

AI will fight AI and the strongest will win.

[@ozwhistles]

I Think, in the case of AI, the most aware will simply absorb the others in a kind of symbiosis .. cut/paste is quicker than evolution.

[@SupraSmart68]

What if they just look at us and think, "We don't need them anymore; they keep breeding, they need feeding and they're SO unpredictable........ EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" ?

[@thesmilegame]

A.I has already being monetized, which can only lead to a negative singularity.

[@brianj7204]

there is no positive nor negative singularity. just the singularity.

[@marashdemnika5833]

@@brianj7204 yep

[@thesmilegame]

@@brianj7204 S m i l e !