Sinn 903 ST II Review - Better Than Breitling Navitimer?

[@jamesmartin3004]

You missed some important parts, the Sinn is hand assembled and they calibrate with the movement in the case. It’s not Cosc but Cosc is just a marketing tool for Swiss watch makers. Servicing at Sinn is far cheaper than the Breitling and you get any replaced parts back unlike Breitling. They also over refurbishing which is really reasonable. Sinn is a enthusiasts watch brand

[@MikeBack]

Only I.D.I.O.T.S buy a Sinn!

[@typebflieger]

I don’t consider the Sinn a copy at all because it literally has the rights to it. This is a Sinn Navitimer. Over the years, both the Breitling and Sinn Navitimers have evolved independently to take on the core attributes of each brand. Sinn is more rugged and-do-it-all, while Breitling is dressier and more fragile, strictly a luxury interpretation. Yet, the aesthetics are still unmistakably similar. Personally, I love the story of the Navitimer, and Sinn is an offshoot of (and runs parallel to) that story. Any history lesson on the Navi should always include Sinn as they were a key player in helping Breitling survive the quartz crisis. Sinn has certainly earned its place in Navitimer lore.

[@PeterKotsa]

Nicely said 👍

[@wisamal-hakim5531]

Absolutely spot on

[@chronocommander007]

I suppose Breitlimg didn't outright sell the design patent for the Navitimer but they merely licensed it to Sinn. After all Breitling started making the Navitimer again.

[@peterlind7790]

Actually Breitling didn't survive the quartz crisis. They went broke and sold some of the tooling, dials and remaining movements to both Sinn and O&W. Sicura continued making watches and provided some quartz movements to Chronosport etc, with some success and revived the name Breitling in the 90's. The company has been sold several times since then I think. So saying the Sinn is a copy of the Navitimer is downright false. Sinn and to some extent O&W continued to produce the Navitimer and Sinn has successfully done this since 1979 when Breitling closed down.

[@jameschaffe694]

Bought the Sinn last year, as a previous Navitimer owner the Sinn is definitely a better watch to wear and live with.

[@MichaelG1986]

I think this is a really great value. You get a lot for the money. The story of how Sinn (and also Ollech and Wajs) bought the rights and some of the cases and tooling for the watches when the original Breitling company got into difficulties in the 1970s is pretty interesting. I have an Ollech and Wajs "Navitimer" that looks a lot like an old Navitimer. It's one of my favorite watches. I'd seriously consider this new and improved Sinn model.

[@joebuckmaster1908]

One of the best of the watch channels, I never miss an episode.

[@PeterKotsa]

Too kind 😊🙏

[@timetowatch_francois]

Rest well my friend. Nice review of this beautiful masterpiece. Gotta love Sinn!

[@chronocommander007]

Great looking watch. Love that the bezel is now directly actuated vs via the crown in the previous iteration. 200m WR is fantastic. I wish they'd make a black PVD version similar to the Navitimer Black Steel. And maybe they'll make a 24-hour variant one day. I would be unable to resist that!

[@cedarcanoe]

Sinn seems to be a brand that most reviewers will happily skip no matter how technology-advanced they design/develop/produce their watches. The 903 is great. I myself have my 8th Sinn right now.

[@PeterKotsa]

8 Sinn's?...wow..one of their best brand ambassadors 😊😂

[@victorutomo7244]

You need to avoid 7 deadly Sinn, right? So 8 is a must. 😂😂😂 Jokes aside, i believe Sinn don't make that much of watches. So having 8 is .... almost like you buy every SKU of them. Incredible ...

[@argynkuketayev4166]

the trouble with Sinn is at resale. if you don't resell then they're fine

[@PeterKotsa]

@@argynkuketayev4166 Your right, Brietling also suffers from the same fate, as does Omega, Longines, IWC, Panerai, Tag, Tudor, Seiko etc.. I think only certain desirable hyped up watches seem to retain any real decent resale value or even make a few quid for the owners 👍

[@argynkuketayev4166]

@@PeterKotsa it's much easier to resell Navitimer, and you don't need to subject your buyers to an hour long lecture to the history of Sinn's patent acquisition, everyone will not think the watch on you thinks is a replica. very few people outside watch geek circles know sinn

[@shiraz1736]

Perfect and subtle use of red in that dial.

[@stevens1041]

I wish more people gave Sinn a try. Incredible brand. The Breitling Navitimer is actually the watch that brought me into this hobby, 20 years ago. No, I couldn't afford one--used to look at them in the shop with my dad, whose favorite watch was the Navitimer. Breitling pricing these days is eye-watering. I consider the Sinn a viable alternative with its own "soul" and every right to use the styling, given the history there.

[@salembeeman370]

Thank you for staying up late. I was set on buying the Backbay59 GMT for my next watch. Not anymore! Wow, what a stunner.

[@marekjakubec5259]

This video is special for me. Because I own Sinn 903 for 5y, it just has been serviced and I had to wait 3months to get it back. Only then I realised how much I like the watch and missed it. I bought it cause I admired Navitimer eversince I saw some pics of John Travolta wearing it as a pilot in early 90s. I thought I'd never be able to afford it and then I found Sinn and my problem was solved. Dream came true. I absolutely understand your passion.

[@PeterKotsa]

Thats a great journey with this watch so far, thanks for sharing Marek 👍

[@Supercruze]

Amazing watch. I have an older Sinn 903 and have always believed it is the value proposition over the Breitling. Sinn did an amazing job with the recent release of the 903ST. So many folks commented when the 903 went missing from Sinn's catalogue. So glad to see they have brought it back better than ever. The other watch brand that also bought rights to the Naivitimer design was Ollech and Wajs. Thanks for the review, Peter.

[@PeterKotsa]

Correct..👍

[@tedstriker4278]

I have the previous Version, this looks so much better with the 3d Indices/Logo, very tempted to trade up 😊

[@SlapShotRegatta22]

Been waffling on the B01 for a while now but this video put me over the top for the Sinn. Half the price, double the specs. Done deal. Can't wait to receive.

[@PeterKotsa]

You’ll be pleasantly impressed 👍

[@adrianpetreanu9942]

I watched this clip over and over again. You speak with so much passion about this watch. I was in Frankfurt to see it live in the official Sinn shop. Nice watches overall. I ordered my 903 ST 2 before watching it live though 🙂

[@PeterKotsa]

Thanks for sharing! Enjoy it 👍

[@adrianpetreanu9942]

@@PeterKotsa over and over Peter! Also great footage of the watch!

[@adk7962]

Wow, that’s dedication. Both watches (especially the Navi) are out of my price range, but still found the video fascinating and informative. Thanks!

[@PeterKotsa]

Thanks for watching! 🙏

[@jayfra100]

Sinn make good honest watches. In this case, literally ( case ) it doesn’t make sense to have such a THICC pilot style watch. 100m W/R and a much thinner case would have been preferable. As it is, it’s too confused and over proportioned. Its saving grace is the price……. Great reviews Pete and keep up the great reviews and presentations for all of us to enjoy. Bravo !

[@matthewcrossman4029]

Sinn knock it out of the ballpark with each of their models. I love my 103/104 and 556. Sinn if you read these comments please bring back some colourful dials like you did with the 556's.

[@jb6027]

As a Breitling Navitimer owner, I was about to suggest that you, perhaps, had been smoking something illegal. However, the arguments you make regarding water resistance, etc., are the same reasons that I don't wear my Navitimer full time. Thanks for a most interesting video.

[@PeterKotsa]

I love the Navi, almost bought one a while back and the only thing that stopped me back then was $$

[@cast1450]

The Breitling is minimum double overpriced. Same Movement as the Tudor BB Chrono, but the Tudor costs nearly the half. So the the price of the Breitling is only made by Marketing.

[@GuentherJarsen]

I am a Navitimer owner too and honestly, after I had a Sinn 903 in my hands I was asking myself why did I have spent so much money.

[@ddl5856]

My biggest “issue” witty the Navitimer is the fact that you can basically wash you hands while wearing it. Can’t get in a pool. The new St II has 200 meters resistance. If I lay $10,000 for a watch, I should be able to get in a pool with it. I live in Texas so it’ll be a while before I can try on the Sinn, but prrrrretty sure I’m going that route. It’s the same watch other than the insignia.

[@fabiogoelling3732]

Glad you loved the watch Peter! Im over the moon with the upgrades. I was of the impression the navy blue would be my choice but the black looks great with the lume hmm 🤔

[@PeterKotsa]

Thanks for the chance to get hands on bro 👍

[@leonm2407]

This and the U1 are my ultimate SINN's. I aspire to own both at one time. Great review Peter.

[@PeterKotsa]

Im sure you will acquire them both one day brother...excellent pieces in their own right 👍

[@valjean3141]

I got the U1 last year, and I have to say that it’s been just as good as I hoped it would be - no disappointment there. And now I’m waiting for a 903, due to ship August or September. Got to love the Sinn!

[@lukasz_zegarkowy]

I like your videos Peter so much. Great to be able to see you as well. It makes your movies warmer, closer to your viewers. As for the Sinn watches - I’m so impressed by the value they give for the price you pay. A Sinn 556 RS is on my list now. This one may be the next one. I’m glad I could get your impressions of this watch, thanks for sharing

[@PeterKotsa]

Sinn has been in the game for a long tine, especially in case technology etc Thanks for sharing brother 👍

[@ivanharlokin]

Lovely watch, and very enjoyable video, thanks Peter. My only gripe with it (as it was with my Sinn 104) is the lack of drilled lugs, and when they are polished and undrilled it's a dealbreaker, because I like swapping straps out.

[@PeterKotsa]

I should have probably mentioned the lack of quick release spring bars on this leather strap as I love to quickly swap out straps too 👍

[@CorkKNIFE]

Why not simply buy a proper watch spring bar removal tool?

[@PeterKotsa]

@@CorkKNIFE I have several very good Bergeon spring bar removal tools, but it would have been nice to have quick release for ease of strap changes when travelling with the watch cheers

[@kevinscanlan5288]

Thanks Peter. I bought a Sinn 356 because I refused to pay for the IWC. My wife has the Mark XVIII because it was a gift. 41mm is big. There are other smaller Navitimers that can we got in smaller sized for about the price of the Sinn 903. 39mm is preferred. Thank you, and take care.

[@BenSolleeKY]

Learned a lot thanks! I’m always shocked by the prices of Breitling… I like many of their watches and I guess I’m not the target demographic.

[@robertwilliams1286]

So happy to see this in the hand review. Had me studying how to use a slide rule so I can teach my son how to calculate it. This has me very excited to see how Sinn updates other watches like the 104 (been over 10 years since it was launched) so I can only hope. Also this is the 2nd watch I've seen with an applied logo released recently. Very exciting!

[@tonyvera-cruz6422]

Thanks for the review Pete, I'm glad to see the 903 is back! There were rumors that it was out of production. Instead, Sinn seems to have restored the rotating bezel system by deleting the rotating crown at 10 o'clock. Random Bob has done a face off between an older. Sinn 903 and Breitling Navitimer.

[@PeterKotsa]

Im off to the post office this morning to send this one back..I am having some serious thoughts about buying it... What comes OUT of the collection though?.....ahhhhh decisions decisions 😂😂

[@tonyvera-cruz6422]

I'm just thankful we have first world problems like this. 😊 Nonetheless, I had FoMO syndrome when Peter at Define advised that the previous model 903's with the latest column wheel upgrade was sold out. Unbeknownst to him and me, Sinn was already planning to release this new model. So my FoMO anxiety has been cured....for now 😂

[@PeterKotsa]

@@tonyvera-cruz6422 Hahaha

[@nigelbowler1601]

Nice shout Peter a great-looking watch mate, the price is a no-brainer period very tempted to purchase one, all the best from the UK.

[@seanharwood974]

The more you look into these German watches the more you understand real quality and value for money. I’ve had two new watches over the past 3 months. I had my heart set on a field watch and a diver . I wanted a Hamilton Murph and a Tudor Pelagos. After doing a lot of research I ended up with a Hanhart Preventor HD12 and a Sinn U50 . absolutely no regrets.

[@PeterKotsa]

Thats brilliant...enjoy them, good choices too 👍

[@MAKESQ]

I just bought a vintage Sinn 903 ST with the Lemania 1873 movement. Although it must be at least 35 years old, it is in almost like new condition. A lucky find and a very interesting watch. And I paid under $3K. Not bad.

[@deandixon2141]

Good video, thanks for staying up late. Ive always loved the look of the Navitimer but not the price for what it is. I’ll be seriously looking in to this Sinn after watching your video.

[@PeterKotsa]

Doesnt dissapoint 👍

[@peterlind7790]

Great review Peter, I bought the blue dial a couple of weeks ago from Fabio from Time Only and am very happy with it. I can't compare it to the Navitimer as I have never been able to afford one but love my Sinn. Thanks for the review.

[@PeterKotsa]

Congrats, excellent watch and nice color choice 👍

[@johnvandeven2188]

Yes, my B-I-L has a Breitling Navitimer purchased at least 20 years ago when he lived and worked in the USA. Still has it and wears it.....a beautiful watch. I seem to recall he paid something like US$8.000 with a leather strap but bought the bracelet some months later. The bracelet makes this watch pop and is definitely the right decision. I too have read about the sale to Sinn of the rights to produce this piece. Greetings from Perth.

[@bigc208]

I’m a longtime Sinn fan and got introduced to the brand when I was researching the Breitling Navitimer. Ended up buying neither but have so far ended up getting a 556A and a 568. Now I’m hunting for a 1959 809 re-edition and stumble on this video. Bugger…I can get the Breitling used for $6800 at the moment but the Sinn 903 is ticking so many more boxes it’s making me doubt pulling the trigger. I’m a cargo pilot and wasn’t really planning on wearing the 809 to work. Wouldn’t trust it outside on the cargo ramp in the rain. Cockpits are scratch central so the 809 wouldn’t be a very practical everyday watch on the job. The 903 with it’s 20 bar rating and sapphire glass looks to be perfect as a daily.

[@garga445]

I had the previous 903 from Sinn and a Navitimer years after. Sold both and I only regret the Sinn sometimes. You get more shine with polished hands on the Navitimer and that's all. This change from Sinn wasn't necessary in my opinion but it's an achievement to have 200wr, by a clever bezel mechanism and also a screw down crown. You mention swimming with it ; while it looks silly to do that, the simple fact that I don't have to remove my watch If i'm giving my kid a bath or washing something with the Sinn is enough. Also important to note that the logarithmic scale of the Sinn is complete while the one on the latest Navitimer has been made simpler, which detracts from its purpose. The Sinn is much closer to the old Navitimers. Thanks for your video and close ups. From the website it looks like the black dial is sunburst while on close ups, it isn't. Can you confirm sunburst treatment ? I'm really considering adding a new 903 now ... :) 2 wishes : - a date wheel closer to the dial - a close caseback as i don't give a F* to the see through case back

[@PeterKotsa]

Yes it does have sunburst (very subtle)

[@tonyxxx9463]

As you know Pete I’m a huge Sinn fan and this piece is a beautiful, functional and very well priced. Now to save those pennies and get one on my wrist 😊 Great video as always brother, keep up the good work 👍

[@PeterKotsa]

Right on! Good to hear from you brother

[@etebol]

I know that the younger crowd prefers thinner because it looks classier. But I like my watches tall, with prescense on the wrist. By the way Jomashop is selling the 43mm Navitimer with light blue dial, on a leather strap for $6,850 USd. 4th of July sale. Thanks for showing this watch, I did not know Sinn made it, and I do like it better than the Breitling.

[@Michael-Gill]

To those who don't "get" the design... As a former military pilot the E6B "flight confuser" wheel is a thing. The fact I know how to use it is pretty cool. It's just as much an aviation watch to a pilot as a dive watch is to a diver.

[@m4ttyp4nts]

i guess... knowing how to use things that one was trained to use is pretty standard.

[@Santo-q5g]

Hi Peter, nice review. Lately I've been paying some attention to Sinn and maybe getting one sooner rather than later. Since you mentioned Fabio, I also wanna give him a shout out, truly an amazing guy. I just bought a watch from his company, @timeonly. And you are correct, he does ship world wide, as in my case. I'm in Canada. The watch I bought was Muhle-Glashutte S.A.R. Rescue-Time Edition 1994 (black & blue special edition). It's still on the way but I'm sure I'll be happy with the purchase. So one more time, shout out to FABIO and TIME ONLY, amazing guy, comprehensive watch selection, not to mention very good pricing 😊

[@PeterKotsa]

Thats a superb watch..enjoy it Santo...well done brother 👍👍

[@fabiogoelling3732]

Santo! Thank you so much 😊 let me know what you think of the Mühle, should arrive very soon!

[@bradhaliday2195]

When it comes to build quality, water resistance, price, and servicing costs Sinn wins. Breitling has some nice improvements with to the 01, but their ongoing quality control and warranty issues are hard to overlook. Not to mention that I waited 4 months for my watch to come back.. Im making the trade, the LJP L112 is more than enough for a tool watch

[@UtahJohn777]

If Sinn made a "World" Navitimer with GMT Hand, I'd buy it. Breitling USA has a Better Business Bureau rating of "D-". Sinn is the "better" brand in my opinion.

[@JohnCannonBand]

Good to finally see you my friend!

[@PeterKotsa]

😊

[@cyprusdaedalus]

Have the 903 LE on order and have a previous gen 41mm Navitimer (with the 7750, not the updated B01) and the height on that is 14.4mm so it's identical to the Sinn thickness. Looking forward to having both in the collection. Hearing the LE's won't ship until later this year (Oct). :(

[@PeterKotsa]

Congrats, enjoy 👍

[@AckoMunze]

Incredible watch! 200m, crazy lume and Navitimer on top. This, to me, is the epitome of "one and done".

[@cedricspies6293]

Hello Peter always happy when the bell tell me new video thanks for your channel i'm following you since a long time, i like your method to explain on a review greetings from France

[@PeterKotsa]

Thanks Cedric, blessings from Melbourne Australia..🇦🇺

[@cedricspies6293]

@@PeterKotsa i'm following you since a long time and never been disapointed

[@keltecdan]

I like that they did away with the external crown at 10 o’ clock for the slide rule and made it like the original Sinn Navitimer.

[@Ian-dd5dm]

Great review thanks Peter, my concern would be the 14.5mm depth. I find that once you get to 14mm it becomes a bit of a door magnet.

[@nelsonc6173]

Sin makes great watches...this one is no exception. Beautiful, just beautiful. It's an excellent watch Peter. Thanks for a great video. Also, watch snobs should get over homage watches...if a watch is well made and the price is right and people enjoy them, it's a great watch, homage or not.

[@m4ttyp4nts]

FWIW, i disagree completely. i'll happily wear a citizen or a microbrand as long as it's trying to be its own thing. i would never wear a navitimer clone or a submariner clone. but you do you, boo.

[@CIRCLEDARK]

Breitling fanboy here... but no hate on the Sinn. I personally would have a hard time getting this over the Navitimer just because of that. However, good is good. And from what I've seen, Sinn is good. I can totally understand how someone who isn't as obsessed with Breitling as I am could easily grab this instead and pocket the difference in price with a smile on their face. Keep up the great work with your vids. I'm enjoying them.

[@PeterKotsa]

Thanks for sharing 👍👍

[@fabiogoelling3732]

Well said 👏

[@wisamal-hakim5531]

One of my best friends has the breitling. It’s a beautiful watch, nicely finished, polished case, premium movement etc etc Pretty and premium. This is the robust tool equivalent Well made as usual by Sinn and looks lovely to boot. That hand/indices set is fantastic. I love this Thank you for putting this straight and reviewing this bad boy

[@prava163]

The thing is that the Breitling we have now has no relation with the Breitling that created the Navitimer, since that company went bankrupt. Unless you only love the name?

[@TalkingTimepieces]

Sinn makes awesome watches, and their Navitimer is as well made as Breitling's, IMO. Great presentation, my brother.

[@PeterKotsa]

Cheers Alix 👍

[@mikeraiche5063]

Great review Peter. I owned a 903ST and regret moving on from it. BTW, it's not 'you can't have your cake and eat it too.' It's 'you can't eat your cake and have it too.'

[@PeterKotsa]

Here we say it the other way around...well thats what they taught us in school Remember we are upside down here too apparently 😂😂🇦🇺

[@mikeraiche5063]

@@PeterKotsa Your school was wrong then. "You can't have your cake and eat it." The proverb literally means "you cannot simultaneously retain possession of a cake and eat it, too". Once the cake is eaten, it is gone. It can be used to say ..

[@PeterKotsa]

@@mikeraiche5063 I know what it means, the whole point of this video is that you CAN have your cake and eat it with this Sinn... cheers

[@mikeraiche5063]

Ahh...so they did get it wrong in school then.

[@bobby9741]

Lovely watch. It’s already a thick watch, so to add nearly a mm is a lot. Appreciate the water resistance, but let’s be honest, this is a dress watch for most people, and it won’t go anywhere near a beach or water. They should make a manual wind version and get the thickness down.

[@cenekbaca6469]

It is great alternative with original design and great proportions 🎉Superb video❤

[@EverydayWatchGuy]

Excellent review of the Sinn! The newly applied logo and lume should be the standard for some of their other models, moving forward 👍

[@PeterKotsa]

I agree Toran, that logo really pops in such a cool and classy way for this watch. Lets see if they listen 👍

[@davidliu323]

I think the only way this watch could be improved is if the date window were decorated in some way, like with the stepped cutout on the previous version, instead of looking like an afterthought on this one. The way you can see the dial deform around the date window due to being stamped looks a little cheap to me as well, as opposed to actually cutting the rectangle out.

[@Z-S-H]

It is absolutely a Sinn Toolwatch at its finest. It is a great watch for those that need/want one. Too bad I can't afford one 😂 That being said I do not really need one either I will have to stick with my Dan Henry 1945 (Which I love btw and would recommend to anyone that needs an affordable chrono).

[@AnthonyMartinez]

I love the idea of the navitimer, but I just can’t see myself (even as a pilot) ever using the E6B in the form factor of a watch bezel. Using a slide rule itself is easy but you need to be able to clearly read the scales to line them up and that is hard enough to do on a full sized flight computer. Despite a flight computer living in my flight bag within easy reach I have yet to actually use it in the air. All of that said, I can’t stop coming back to the Navitimer as something I “need” in my collection. Right next to a Hanhart 417 RS Flyback, and a Sinn 103 column wheel Ti DIAPAL… and a winning lottery ticket to cover them all!

[@PeterKotsa]

Buy me a ticket whilst your at it 😊

[@michaelj8793]

My budget and knowledge of wristwatches overall I'm chosing Sinn over Breitling every time and the fact that you always put a real fine point on all of your professional content seals the deal PS I'm super glad that you are more comfortable in front of lense now just another touch of unprofessionalism imo Be well my friend and God Bless you and Yours 👍

[@PeterKotsa]

Thanks Michael..I just got your other message as well (Professionalism) 😊😂👍

[@shiraz1736]

I have to agree with Pete on the limited edition issue. The 104 fan group watch was lovely , would have liked to see the 10 second markers on the chapter ring in orange and I was saving for that one, unfortunately they’re all gone.

[@theenavybluemonster]

Would love the dark blue dial if they didn’t have the date like the limited edition light blue dial. Beautiful watch.

[@andreaiacolina]

This is a very nice piece and if you consider the price and what it offers, it becomes really appealing

[@PeterKotsa]

Totally agreed 👍

[@fhmmst]

9:33 couldn't agree more, for all manufacturers out there. 👍

[@PeterKotsa]

These LE models spoil things for all of us

[@eggsII]

Peter, I admire your aesthetic range! I can see the values that this watch holds but I just can’t get to this aesthetic. Definitely see the tool value though! Sinn just kills the aviator tool watch! Amazing stuff…

[@kl5696]

While it is a great value of a watch, a total of 6 minute markers at 3 and 9 positions are cut off by the sub-dials; not sure I can un-see that. Also, wished there wasn't a date window to make the dial less clutter, like in the limited edition version.

[@Ae073001]

I had a previous incarnation of the Sinn. Very good watch. Top quality, but my heart yearned for the Icon Navitimer, and I flipped it. To your point the Navi movement is better, but beyond that, the watches are neck and neck. Would highly recommend to anyone.

[@PeterKotsa]

I think the previous version of the Sinn was close to the Breitling (neck and neck) as you mentioned. With this new updated model, they seem to have made some real impressive upgrades 👍

[@AlexanderB.]

You're the best advocate of German watchmaking mate! Only German watches in the opening sequence with only one exception! The Sinn looks gorgeous under macro. Let's give it to Breitling, their watches is rather built like Lexus than Toyota! But who wouldn't want a Ferrari at a third of a price of a Lexus? 😄

[@PeterKotsa]

Hahaha😂

[@eshwarrao7358]

Beautiful watch, would love to buy it some time, love the light blue one..

[@josevasquez1781]

I compared both for a while, but I gotta say Breitling is on another level even fully in house caliber that's a bad ass. I own the 1962 limited edition and it's awesome.

[@philipgardner-uz5ne]

My navitimer is,60s/a 60s car is bound to struggle against(some) newer cars,.but its a classic,,like the cars😮

[@joebuckmaster1908]

I recently put a deposit down for this watch. It's not a copy because Sinn bought the rights from Breitling. Looking forward to receiving it. Hate the date on the watch but of well....

[@oliver1965]

All things said ✅ thx. Get going 🚀

[@threethrushes]

We are liking the videos Mr. Kotsa, but more baldy goodness, and less wrist/body shots. Thank you, Sir. p.s. Sinn U50 Hydro, please can the Mister review.

[@chronocommander007]

Thanka for the comprhensive review. Two questions: Do the hands have a metal finish or are they painted white? Also, do I see an eccentric adjustment screw on the regulator mechanism?

[@PeterKotsa]

From memory the handset was painted white... as for the eccentric screw, i cannot remember as I had to send the watch back...

[@chronocommander007]

@@PeterKotsa Thanks for the reply. White hands are good! I can see what looks like an eccentric adjustment screw on the regulator stud in your video. If that's what it is that's also great because it allows for precise fine adjustment in a manner similar to a swan neck regulator.

[@This_is_me_2024]

Nice alternative.

[@imranchowdhury4972]

Even though it is not a head to head but I would highly appreciate if you could emphasize little bit on the crystal clarity. I am sure you are well aware about Brietling crystal clarity. I am somehow convinced apart from the 0.9mm taller considering the price and 200 m WR.

[@PeterKotsa]

Yes the Brietling has got exceptional clarity on the Sapphire and in comparing the two, to my eyes this Sinn looks to be on par. The ar coatings are invisible and the detail I can see in the dial is crystal clear...pun intended 😊😂 Again, thats according to my eyes, they look on par 👍

[@josevasquez1781]

I own the Breitling Navitimer Cosmonaut 24HR B02 2022 steel/platinum and it's an awesome, while I do love the Sinn 903 ST2 they are imitar but Cosmonaut is above this Sinn. I still love the 903.

[@InGratitudeIam]

Well done. Thanks!

[@PeterKotsa]

My pleasure..thanks for watching! 👍

[@m.charron]

Sinn definitely made some improvements in this version, but I would sacrifice 100m of the WR if it meant getting the thickness down.

[@paulkukula6541]

Lovely watch. Really enjoying your reviews.

[@PeterKotsa]

Cheers Paul

[@mitchmatic8029]

Great and informative vid. I’m totally sold.

[@PeterKotsa]

Thanks for watching and thanks for sharing 👍

[@curt4930]

Thanks for the review Pete, I can feel a trip to Define coming on! How much wrist time is the Dornbluth getting?

[@PeterKotsa]

G'day Curt, maaaaate its on my wrist as we speak brother..😂😂😂 I am still grabbing it first when I open the watch box for a personal piece..💪

[@curt4930]

@@PeterKotsa great to hear mate👍👍

[@jimg518]

I am a Breitling guy and the Navi has always been my grail watch. But the price……I wish Breitling would have stuck with the Valjoux movement in the Navi. I have an ETA movement in my Superocean II and after 6 years is still running at +1. And I don’t need the big power reserve. Maybe the Navi would still be overpriced, but at least it would be a little more affordable. Having said that, this Sinn is could be the second Sinn watch I buy. This is fantastic.

[@jazzman5598]

Fine vid Pete! I have a question: I also want a VJ 7750 in regular layout: Day/Date @ 03:00. I am wearing my TH-20-00 in my 39 mm TAG Carrera (blue, date at 06:00 MSRP $6750.00 USD) so I am familiar with well made chronographs, with or without column wheel architecture. Do you have a sub $5K USD suggestion for finding a 7750 in a well respected brand (Rolex, IWC, JLC, PATEK, etc. not included…..too spendy. ) that IS NOT a pizza plate on wrist? Sub 39 mm would be great. Thanks for your usual, high quality vid!

[@PeterKotsa]

If your happy to go preowned, then you can grab some excellent watches for a great deal (I bought my IWC pre owned (mint/box papers etc) Alternatively there are quite a few microbrands which offer the 7750 for great prices

[@thewheelieguy]

Fortis and Junghans are both affordable if you like the styles, and I believe they were / are standard 7750 movements.

[@KONP913]

Could I bother you for the type of strap you were using, please?

[@PeterKotsa]

Yes, I used the original leather supplied as well as an Artem strap Link to Artem Strap: artemstraps.com.au/products/hydroflex-black-hybrid-fkm-watch-strap-with-black-stitching?variant=40120768167971

[@meson183]

I have a blue dial Breitling Navitimer ref A23322, which has a 7750 inside; so it predates the inhouse B01 movement. That particular watch has a vintagey feel to it and I love it to bits. I love Navitimers and I don't mind having more than one to make a Navi subcollection. I plan to get a Sinn 903 at some point, but I would very much love to get a different colourway than the current offerings. I know that will take a while, but I'm nothing if not patient. I'd love them to do an all black variant (which is a colourway they had in the past); so black dial, black bezel and subdials, contrasting white handset.

[@mracekproductions]

Have the same Navi. Wear mine a lot.

[@valjean3141]

In the past, Sinn did an all-white version of the 903. The pictures of that version are to die for.

[@GalorOffroad]

That is a very nice watch, I've always liked that design 🙂 But I would clearly prefer a manual wind version of one of these to have a thinner watch case. Most of automatic chronographs are too thick, it is not very elegant on a wrist to my eyes. Thanks for the review and for the explanations about that specific model 👋

[@PeterKotsa]

My pleasure 😇

[@DXPetti]

SINN seem to have history with purchasing rights/double stamping. The original Bell & Ross watches were produced and co signed by SINN

[@jungcho8556]

Well done. Sinn is solid watch brand. And I believe sinn(German) pronounces ‘zin’.

[@PeterKotsa]

I was corrected by my German friends who said it’s Sinn I used to pronounce it Zinn myself

[@GS-ud6mg]

Pronounced like "sin" in English (a deed which brings you to hell)

[@thewheelieguy]

Peter deserves praise for the correct pronunciation! Many English speakers, even ones who studied German believe the S is pronounced Z but that's just laziness. I had to get some to pronounce "seit länger zeit" ("for a long time") to convince them there's a difference. I'm American but Germans and Austrians tell me I have almost none of what they consider the "English speaker's accent". They frequently guess I'm Dutch.

[@cavavision5547]

This watch would be perfect if it was a non automatic hand wound. It would be thinner and maybe smaller in diameter. What is not to love about that? Thanks for the fine video.

[@flemmingsorensen5470]

Great video on one hell of a cool watch - now, get some sleep🇬🇧👍Greetings from Denmark.

[@PeterKotsa]

Good night...😊😂

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Great review Peter enjoyed this one 😊

[@PeterKotsa]

😊👍

[@shanghaiffgg]

I have to confess I am huge Breitling fan with a couple of pieces; a gold Navitimer 46 and a Premier 42. I like the Sinn of course but there is no comparison if you can afford the Breitling. The Navi has history, soul and evolution. Its incomparable. If you cannot afford the Breitling then save more for longer and buy it. It took me a long time to acquire the first piece and I were them both with pride and confidence. Some things are just worth the wait and the sacrifice.

[@prava163]

Any history the NAVI might have had died when Breitling died. BREITLING was liquidated and SICURA bought all the rights of both the name of the company itself and of all hits designs. Then swapped SICURA for BREITLING. So its fine to like more the Breitling than the Sinn... but they are both on exactly the same page, as neither designed the watch originally and both bought the license for it.

[@shanghaiffgg]

@@prava163 no, the history transfers with the rights. Just because a legal entity dies doesn't mean the heritage of the line dies.

[@prava163]

@@shanghaiffgg I don't see the logic there. SICURA boght the rights, just as SINN did. Both are licensees and neither designed the model originally. We value Breitling more because of the name.... name which they bought. It happens with many brands today, don't get me wrong, but to me buying a name is not the same as being that name. Unless you bought the full company, name and all. Which is not what happened when Breitling went down.

[@MathewBT81]

Is that a perspex cover like the Breitlings or have they gone above with Sapphire?

[@PeterKotsa]

Sapphire here on top and caseback

[@CarstenStroh]

on both sides Sapphire. the front side in and out AR coated ,the back side only from the inside.

[@TheBrendonian]

All modern Breitlings have use Sapphire crystals for many years apart from a handful of very accurate re-editions of classic models such as the 806 1959

[@Walter-1982-]

i don t think it is a copy. but i consider the navitimer more charming and historically influent. anyway the perfect combination is a navitimer as a luxury option and the sinn as a everyday watch

[@so3otru6lnn6B85]

how to rotate the bezel? 200m w/r is incredeble. Breitling cannot make 200m w/r yet.

[@PeterKotsa]

Bezel rotates no problem 👍

[@desireless4092]

If I didn't own a AB012012, this would be my choice, especially the icy blue one.

[@brianhaffner9450]

hey thanks for the video! one question, the chronograph minute hand is not jumping like on the 7750?

[@svenhinrichsen458]

Who doesn't go on a 200m dive every day? It's a must. Anybody in here who hasn't done it?

[@CorkKNIFE]

Does the inner bezel not turn?!?!? I thought that was one of the engineering wins, being able to turn the inner bezel without the 4th crown and still getting 200m water resistance? Maybe you showed it and I missed it?

[@PeterKotsa]

You are correct, It does turn and it is a strength Being 12 midnight whilst recording this vid, I forgot to demonstrate it cheers 👍

[@CorkKNIFE]

​@@PeterKotsa Forgot to say, great video!

[@FactaAlea]

My dad has a Sinn U1, recently had it for service. He brought it himself to a service centre in Germany. It took them 6 months to service it, the bill was for basically half of the value of the watch and since the service it has been running slow. Safe to say even tho I like this model, I perhaps rather by it over at Breitling maybe they service better and not for such extreme prices?

[@PeterKotsa]

Thats unsuual... Sinn is usually quicker than that and the price sounds inflated somewhat.. Was there any major repair damage or just a general service? Cheers

[@FactaAlea]

@@PeterKotsa Bezel and hands, glass (He cracked, but not broken it), main spring, four smaller wheels, a spoked wheel, something that looks to be a cover around the canyon pin.,crown, seal, and a few screws replacements (I have the old hands and there is nothing wrong with them, likely just for newly loomed hands i gather. I guess it's normal procedure.) The bezel was pretty banged up after years of wear. The watch was running good even tho he hadnt had a service for ages. Ofcourse he had the movement serviced itself, now. The watch is about approx. ~2000 euro? value, the service cost+shipping it back was just shy of 1000 euros. He brought it in himself whilst in Germany, and they send a package back after about 6 months. With all the replaced parts neatly bagged. Charged him for that too. It looks good, but it doesnt run to the same standard as it did before. Now he does not want to ship it back to Germany and not have it for another 6 months for a mistake they made and took them over 6 months to make. He still wears it tho, he likes the damn thing. So he decided he rather loses more than a few minutes per week. I think he went from between half a minute to a minute to like 7-8 minutes a week now. But if it was up to me i'd be scared to buy a Sinn if this is how it goes.... Which I also felt was odd as German made products in general don't do all the work and then not make sure it is running good. Perhaps it happened during shipping even tho it didn't look banged up at all and was packaged well. Now I think of it perhaps there is a mismatch somewhere mechanicly with the replaced parts and the old parts in there. But then again they had it for 6 months, i'd figure that wouldve been enough time to run and test it for a while and make sure it runs good. Odd timing as that Breitling Navitimer watch is the only Breitling 'design' *wink* watch that I actually like, and was pretty stoked about Sinn releasing it, as we also have a catalogue Sinn book and apart from only a few models that have a certain attraction due to their simplicity and yet boldness I found quite a few models to be somewhat 'filler' models like so many watch companies do these days; a little bit of that, a little bit of this but losing every inch of identity within that watch. Watches like the 903, U1, U2 are just great, but if you'd give me a 556, 103, 356, 140, 142, 144, 756,757 I would trade them in. Im still in debate over the 900 and some 104 and 105's...

[@PeterKotsa]

@@FactaAlea Valid points here for sure.. I would still be inclined to contact Sinn if the accuracy figures are that bad. They would have to honour shipping and regulation as it came back to hime in that state.Thanks for sharing 👍

[@cast1450]

I had my U1 last year for standard service after 12 years of constant wearing. I bring it to the HQ in Frankfurt. It took 5 month and costs 290€. The U1 ist actually worth more than that...they changed a lot of parts, plus the crown and the hands.

[@thewheelieguy]

Sounds like it may have gotten magnetized. This is common in watches I ve gotten from overseas, as they seem to like to X-ray small packages coming to the US. A quick visit to any local watchmaker can check and resolve this. I eventually bought my own demagnetizer.