SOO Close To Being Great - Corsair M65 Ultra Review

[@m3rkinfiniteofwgkta]

i wonder if it would be possible to get the weights custom made that are made of more heavier metals. also i love heavy mouses. they feel great. i just wish it was heavier

[@ThomasMuehler]

Man, you crazy. lol

[@lucmen]

offcourse you can, if you find someone who can make them

[@m3rkinfiniteofwgkta]

@@ThomasMuehler ok i am back. i found someone and we made it happen. it feels like im slide a brick on my desk. couldnt be happier.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@m3rkinfiniteofwgkta Legendary. While I fully disagree with your mouse life decisions lol. I fully support and respect your dedication to finding as heavy of a mouse as possible. This is an awesome comment. Well done!

[@skrongo]

I have an M65 with all the weights and I am so addicted to the heavy mouse feel I cannot use a light one. For FPS I prefer a heavy mouse because it makes aiming better.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Hey, if it works for you then that is all that matters. I'm glad you've found something that works for you. Even if it is a brick. lol.

[@ax1236]

I own this mouse and i feel like the primary buttons are loose and wobbly, is that normal or do i have to do something with it?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I have quite a bit of wobble on both of the models that I have. Which makes me think it is semi-common on this. Also, had other comments with similar. Granted that is a small sample size. With that said, I do think this is a defect, that even though I see it regularly it shouldn't be considered acceptable. I would try and RMA it. None of my other gaming mice have similar clicks.

[@ax1236]

@@ThomasMuehler oh alr thanks!

[@Thee_Jadex]

Sorry if someone already said this but you can always just increase the scroll amount per step in your windows settings (assuming you use windows)

[@ThomasMuehler]

You are correct. However, if you also use different mice on a regular basis then it also throws those off. So for me, as someone who is fortunate enough to have multiple mice, that wouldn't work.

[@Thee_Jadex]

@@ThomasMuehler Ahh gotcha that makes sense

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@Thee_Jadex But definitely a great idea and solution to the problem.

[@DJaquithFL]

I used to play quite a bit with the Corsair M65, their switches are a mixed bag and I have literally broken into to pieces three or four M65's. What I used to love was the left side design and the scroll wheel was second to none for my purposes for a long time.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I wish they would improve the QA on this mouse and make it Ultralight. As I truly believe this could be an S Tier mouse if they did that. I too really enjoy their scroll wheel. They nailed that aspect. But the weight and terrible primary clicks really hold it back.

[@DJaquithFL]

@@ThomasMuehler .. Well they do have a wireless M65 but at a whopping weight of 110g and at a cost of $130 Best Buy ($110+ Corsair direct; $160+ Amazon) .. it's one that I can't even bring myself to purchase. However, If they ever made an ultralight M65 wireless version that was say 60g to maybe 70g at that price I'd buy it. Now that the latency is fixed in Wireless I basically refuse to buy any wired mouse .. that is long as I can easily purchase and solder new switches, encoder and replace the battery.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@DJaquithFL Yeah that is the one I am reviewing in this video. Not worth it as too many QA issues. And the weight is way too high. Especially, since they advertise this as an FPS mouse. And I was having the same thought the other day when I was going through my mice (doing some cleaning). I was like I'm done buying wired mice. As at this point unless if they are at higher Hz (like the Razer Viper 8K) or something else unique it just isn't worth it as the performance is the same

[@DJaquithFL]

@@ThomasMuehler .. However, I haven't brought myself to use a wireless headset. Don't get me wrong, I've purchased plenty and with the exception of one (Astro A50) that I gave to my daughter I refuse to use them at this point because of the poor sound fidelity. Instead, I've been using only USB or USB DAC corded headsets. Currently the Sennheiser HD58X from Drop and EPOS | GSX 1000 DAC along with Windows Dolby Atmos driver that you have to purchase from Microsoft. I may do something more radical at some point but I really like the GSX 1000 so I'd have to have an add-on Amp. I originally purchased the Sennheiser HD 58X because of the BS that people said about the GSX 1000 limitations with higher impedance headphones. However, I'm running at level 34 and it's plenty loud. Turning up to level 100 and getting off the FPS curve will blow out your ears.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@DJaquithFL I don't blame you on wireless headsets. As I've found similar results. I think they have made significant progress but we still aren't quite there yet. GSX 1000 DAC and HD58X are solid choices. I think audiophiles tend to over exaggerate how much impact high impedance headphones have and think you need some ridiculous AMP. I have several high impedance headphones and all of them can run off my iPhone just fine. Do they sound ever so slightly better with my dedicated AMP/DAC setup... undecided. I want to say by a smidge but that could definitely be placebo.

[@The.JZA.]

I’ve been using the Corsair Harpoon wireless for a couple of years. That’s 99 grams and I have no issue playing FPS. I have heard that Corsair had some issues with early units but after the first batch they sorted them out. Pretty keen on this mouse.

[@ThomasMuehler]

If you end up getting it I'd love to hear your thoughts and if the issues that I had and others were or weren't found on your unit. Weight definitely is subjective. It's not an end all be all thing. But I have found lighter makes things easier but doesn't necessarily improve performance by a lot and is highly dependent on what you're doing.

[@River_Miles]

You balanced quick cuts and natural presentation very well, likely saving yourself and your viewers time in the grand scheme. The uncut shake weight take was very well done Sir. The M65 has always been one of the nicest looking mice but I continue to pass it by for other mice due to the weight and main button failure reviews. The build quality with sleek aluminum chassis seems very nice for the price of the wired version but comparable wireless mice, like the MM831, retail for $90 and are really only missing the adjustable weight feature and > 1000Hz polling rate. A peer reviewed study may be necessary to determine which offers greater benefits to the strength of one's wrist, a shake weight or constant use of a heavier mouse.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Appreciate the constructive criticism. Definitely think a peer reviewed study needs to be done. lol. And I totally agree. I swear if they fixed the primary clicks and made an "ultralight" version it would be a mainstream mouse. Haven't heard of the MM831. I'll check it out!

[@karmaceutical3963]

ive been trying to figure out whether the left click being stiffer or requiring more force is a feature or an issue, im about to take it apart and see if i can fix it, would love it if the left click felt like the right click

[@ThomasMuehler]

I think that it is a "feature". As both of mine had significant variance. I think my first one was actually defective. But still don't think my second one is even with the dramatic difference. And out of all the mice I've tried (which at this point is a lot) I've never seen anything that blatant. Which is why I think they do that on purpose as surely that would not make it through the QA process if it were unintentional. Especially, since the Corsair Sabre RGB Pro has the same tech but feels dramatically better. If you fix it, and/or if you come to your own conclusion I'd love to hear your thoughts.

[@karmaceutical3963]

@@ThomasMuehler hmm seems common enough of an occurance I have no idea which it is haha, I ended up returning it, guy at the store said he has the same one and it doesn't have different clicks, and they had put a display model out that had the same feel on both buttons, before I took it in I opened it up to see if I could fix it, the actual omron switch for lmb was stiffer, wasn't anything to do with the frame or build, I'm leaning towards corsair using a batch of really inconsistent switches, who knows tho, it is a shame I really liked the mouse otherwise

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@karmaceutical3963 Fascinating. I'm completely lost. Maybe this is why I'm just not a fan of Corsair Mice. Love their keyboards though. Did you go with another mouse?

[@karmaceutical3963]

@@ThomasMuehler tbf, had mine felt like the demo, I've be all about the m65, think there was just that switch issue, but ended up going with a logi superlight, very different from the m65 and Naga which was my other previous but I'm super happy with it, wish it had more buttons but it's a trade off for the weight, time will tell but it's been a great mouse so far

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@karmaceutical3963 If Corsair could get the clicks worked out it would dramatically improve the mouse. But going with the Logitech G Pro X Superlight is an excellent choice. I still rank that the best/second best mouse on the market. It's just superb all the way around. Except for as you say not having as many buttons. So, I'm glad you are enjoying it.

[@slob5041]

The original with the cord was a massive steal for what it was and I think they recognized that. Sure it was ugly, but it got the job done. I think they tried to spruce it up to get a way higher price, you just kind of end up with a mid range mouse with a couple amazing things diluted by other weird "premium" offerings like the click.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I think you nailed it. I completely agree.

[@kbasemuzik]

Bought two m65 both had double clicking issues so I switched to razer been good so far

[@ThomasMuehler]

Sounds like it is a common problem then. That's not good. I haven't had any issues with Razer clicks for a long time now. Definitely one of my favorite brands currently as they continue to push the envelope. And this year they are supposed to be dropping some pretty awesome things.

[@kbasemuzik]

@@ThomasMuehler I have 2 viper mini's for over a yr now no problems and I picked up the viper ultimate wireless a week ago

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@kbasemuzik Yeah, I've had two Viper Mini's, two Viper Ultimate's, Deathadder V2 Pro, Orochi V2, Viper 8K, and back in the day Naga. I had a sensor problem with one of the Viper Mini's and I had an original Viper Ultimate with Gen 1 switches that became crunchy after about 8 - 10 months. The replacement is pristine. The rest of them I have had ZERO problems with and they feel great. Looking forward to a likely Razer Viper Mini Ultimate, maybe a refresh (lower weight) Viper Ultimate later this year? Among whatever else they have planned. Also have tried a lot of their keyboards which are also excellent.

[@Thee_Jadex]

Wait this one exactly has double clicking still? Or do you mean before they went optical

[@anthraxccs]

I leaving Corsair, had 3 mouses with click issue's, never happened with Logithech and now trying Asus ROG mice

[@ThomasMuehler]

I have never been a huge fan of Corsair's mice. I am a fan of their keyboards and other peripherals though. This mouse in particular has horrific QA from what I'm gathering. I went through 2 of them and had a lot of other people say the same. So this one is definitely a dud. Logitech in general tends to be excellent. Especially, their mouse. I haven't tried Asus ROG mice. But have enjoyed their brand. I'd love to hear your thoughts on whatever mouse you choose and how it compares.

[@Thee_Jadex]

@@ThomasMuehler My favorite mouse iv used is actually from corsair is its their ironclaw it just feels so natural for my hand, unfortunatly its probably their worse built mouse too and will die on you within 3-6 months. If they ever revised it to the same quality as this one (and changed that scrollwheel) i would be all on that. at the same time who knows this might be my new favorite when it gets here but i sorta doubt it due to its smaller size

[@2_Sleazy]

idk when this was made or if it was after they changed the switches but my clicks feel okay, tho I do wish it gave a little more feedback.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I got this right at launch and made the video shortly thereafter. So, if they've changed up the switches since that time I haven't tried them.

[@Angus_McWangus]

Bought the wired version of this mouse from bestbuy, had a loud pinging when using the back side button. Clicks where nice and quiet, tho I ended up returning it and getting a replacement, to see if that just how they are. 2nd has similar issue little quieter on the ping, but its still there. But now the 2nd one has a much louder left click, so im gonna try for a third before I give up. Both where the new batch with NA2 at the end

[@ThomasMuehler]

I'd love to hear if third time is a charm. I'm kind of convinced that this mouse is just a flop. As the QA is just simply awful. I've had a lot of problems myself and my comment section is full of it. Which are never good signs. Which is a shame as I think it has the potential to be great.

[@Angus_McWangus]

@@ThomasMuehler Yeah it's unfortunate, to many nagging issues. So for now I just ended up returning the thing. It's not like the mice don't work, i'm just not sure how many mice I need to get, to find a perfect one. Went back to the m65pro for now, might try again if they go on sale. Also I made a YT short of the pinging noise, its on my channel if your interested in hearing it.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@Angus_McWangus I checked out that video. Very interesting. I have no idea what would be causing that pinging. That's not something I've really run into. But yeah you could definitely get a nice one eventually. But sometimes going through that hassle can be a bit too much. Out of curiosity, if it were flawless how much better would you like it over the Pro? Like do you see it as a good upgrade or just nice to have it wireless?

[@Angus_McWangus]

​@@ThomasMuehler Yeah it's strange, the side buttons appear to be the same as the elites, but mine never did that. So not sure what changed. Also I only used the wired versions of both mice. I think the ultra's left click is definitely better, especially for fps gaming. Feels more responsive/quieter/ more clicky. The pro is still good, but it's left click feels slightly stiffer. I do like the extra weight of the pro tho, didn't realize that till I played with both. But if they fixed some of the Quality control and gave us some heavier weights, I'd use the ultra for dat left click.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@Angus_McWangus Loved the run down, thanks. Also, find that to be interesting. Especially, that you prefer the heavier weights. Usually hear the opposite. But clicks can make a big difference in feel.

[@AnthonyButtigieg]

Hi I was thinking of getting this mouse but wanted to know if this has that silcone soft touch material on it. I want to avoid it because it always gums up and turns into a mess for me.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Yes, it is rubber silicone soft touch material.

[@AnthonyButtigieg]

@@ThomasMuehler thanks for letting me know.

[@Shooter_Mcgavin93]

Got the Wired version for 50 bucks at Best Buy it works great

[@ThomasMuehler]

Heck yeah! I’m glad you are enjoying it. And I’m excited for you!

[@MyouKyuubi]

i have the wired version of this mouse it has 2 flaws, well actually 4 flaws. 1. Middle Mouse click ghosts A LOT, so when i open links, i open two of them per click, lol... happens roughly 40% of the time, which is A LOT. 2. Sniper button is programmed very jankily, it feels like when you push the button, the whole mouse loads a new DPI and overwrites the default DPI, causing microstutter, in-game, whenever i click, or release the sniper button... This never happened with other mice i've used that had sniper buttons, who change between sniper button DPI and default DPI seamlessly. 3. The sniper button is not positioned correctly, AT ALL, it genuinely gets in the way of your mouse-grip, and the button is far too big, corsair should take notes from the razer basilisk ultimate on how to properly implement sniper buttons. 4. Last flaw is basically a software issue, iCUE, the software that lets you change the mouse's settings and parameters, doesn't seem to save settings properly, and/or seems glitchy... I've set my mouse to do a rainbow transition effect on the RGB lights, but the lights frequently cut out to a default white, just randomly. >_> (Bonus, minor gripe: 5.) I wish mouse gestures worked without having iCUE open. xD

[@ThomasMuehler]

Appreciate the rundown! It sounds like you've got a defective mouse. As the double click for middle mouse click shouldn't be happening. Micro studder is very odd. Could be argued to be some setting that isn't correct or another defect. RGB issues are also super odd and also seem like a defect. I'd either exchange it out if still in the return window, RMA it, or if you don't like it just return it.

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@ThomasMuehler "Micro studder is very odd. Could be argued to be some setting that isn't correct or another defect." I realized after i wrote this, that the reason the microstutter happens, is because iCUE was running in the background... So apparently iCUE interferes with the sniper button somehow, that's another glitch to note... if you want to use mouse-gestures, you're gonna have to give up the sniper button, AND normal RBG functionality, lmao. xD Middle Mouse button click is definitely defective though, no other way to explain it... Same shit happens with or without iCUE running in the background. So seems to me like the software is in dire need of a fix, at the very least.

[@ThomasMuehler]

​@@MyouKyuubi ICUE shouldn't be causing micro stutters or effect RGB negatively. So, either the download of ICUE is partially corrupted or more likely your mouse is defective. Seeing as you have multiple things that aren't going right with it. As I don't have any of those problems with mine.

[@BlueStarBRS]

I buyed the65 ultra because im sick of replace every year my m65 Pro rgb because shitty omron machanic switches suck and fail (the ultra have optical )

[@ThomasMuehler]

I'm with you there. I do love me my optical switches. How do yours feel? Mine had a good amount of variability.

[@sebastianromero113]

RGB can be set to show battery status or dpi settings?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I haven't used this mouse in a log time and don't know where it is. I don't know if that is a feature or not. But from my previous experience with a bunch of products. Usually, when the mouse is low it will flash red (which is the case here). And sometimes (depending on the product and how much RGB) if you press the DPI it will show different light settings. But I've never seen (or maybe never selected) it to go from a green RGB to yellow to red for battery. Although that is a good idea.

[@sebastianromero113]

@@ThomasMuehler Zowie used to use RGB on wheel to show DPI, Roccat got setting to show battery status on top of normal rainbows.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@sebastianromero113 Yeah it depends on the mouse and if they have a specific RGB for that.

[@Joshua-1986]

Well I prefer a heavy mouse I got a Logitech pro that I paid 180$ awhile back and feels like it should have been 5 bucks

[@ThomasMuehler]

Logitech Pro? The Logitech G Pro Wireless? Logitech G Pro X Superlight? Or is there like a business class Logitech Pro? As depending on which mouse that can wildly vary in weight and I could see how that could give you an incorrect impression that it is cheap because it is light. lol Unless if you are talking about other things that make it feel cheap which I would be interested in hearing.

[@JaxonRs]

B definitely sounds better and i like the clean thumbnail. keep it up!

[@ThomasMuehler]

Thanks for coming back and checking out another one of my videos! I took your advice to heart! I think I like B a lot better as well. Thanks for the feedback. Always appreciated.

[@BlueStarBRS]

M65 ultra can use hz up to 8000 (wired Version)

[@ThomasMuehler]

Appreciate the multiple comments. You are absolutely correct. I'm glad you enjoy the M65 so much!

[@BlowinLoud8799]

Does the wheel tilt left and right,

[@ThomasMuehler]

No, disappointingly most mice do not have that function built in.

[@Thee_Jadex]

Aw was kinda hoping to hear your opinion on the gyro feature, is it any good?

[@ThomasMuehler]

Honestly, I never really tried it out. I think that would mess me up and would take quit a bit of getting used to (for me).

[@Thee_Jadex]

@@ThomasMuehler Same im ordering one and really skeptical ill find a good use for it. I think ill bind at least one of the directions to T so i have a neat way to flick on the flash light in games that have one =P other than that ill have to figure out what i could manage with it as i got no clue

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@Thee_Jadex Don't get me wrong, I definitely think it is a neat feature. But since I use relatively low look sensitivity I feel like I pick my mouse up a lot and think I'd accidentally activate it too often.

[@Thee_Jadex]

@@ThomasMuehler Totes!

[@Chiefhao]

I'll take my brick now thank you lol!

[@ThomasMuehler]

I see you have chosen death by carpal tunnel. Enjoy. Lol.

[@jasonboss8586]

my wirelss mouse keeps skipping lagging, any advice?

[@ThomasMuehler]

1. Move the transmitter. Either away from 3.0 usb devices or ideally away and close to your mouse. 2. Check for a firmware update. 3. If possible try to pair it again. That’s all I can think of with 1 being the only real one I think would work. Firmware possibly. But if all of that does work I’d think it may be defective.

[@diegosdangelo]

I'm looking for a silent wireless mouse with rgb...does it exist?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I’m not aware of any click that is actually silent. Quiet, I can only think of a few. Tend to not be Gaming Mice or have RGB. Such as the Logitech MX Master 3x (whatever the newest version is) has the quietest (nearly silent) clicks that I’ve ever tried. But I think the sensor in it is dog trash. And no RGB. Razer Deathadder V2 Pro (Not the V3 as that has some of the loudest clicks I’ve ever tried) has pretty quiet clicks. To the point I feel okay using it at work. Probably one of the quietest clicks that I’ve tried. Also, has RGB. Depending on sale you can get it for quite cheap ($80ish over $130). Logitech G Pro Wireless also has quiet clicks along with RGB. But again, not silent. I don’t remember where I put it so I can’t test. But I thought the Corsair Sabre RGB Pro may also have quieter clicks with RGB. Xtrfy MZ1 had pretty quiet clicks with RGB. I haven’t tried the wireless version though. And that is all I can think of that I’ve tried. Again, nothing that has “silent” clicks. All of those are on the quieter side. With the Deathadder V2 Pro and G Pro Wireless probably having the quietest. The only mouse that I would say have silent clicks truly is the Logitech MX Master 3x (I think that is the name but whatever the latest version is. It will also be listed under the marketing material. The clicks really are something else as they feel great but are so so quiet. Shape is good. Personally, I hate the weight as it is too heavy and not well balanced and the sensor is god awful. Feels terrible to use). So all that to say I’m not aware of the combination of silent click and RGB. But it could be out there.

[@diegosdangelo]

@@ThomasMuehler thank you a lot to share your experiences! May be I should try the sabre rgb pro wireless (all my setup is corsair) 😅

[@__LC__]

I'm getting this mouse for 54$ is it a good deal?

[@ThomasMuehler]

Eh. I think they’re better mice you can get for around the same price. Especially this time of year with all the sales going on.

[@__LC__]

@@ThomasMuehler Yeah but I also wanted the 8000Hz Hyper-Polling but no mouse at that price range has it. btw I’ve used the wrong currency I live in Europe so it’s gonna be 54€

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@__LC__ That is up to you. My issue is the weight is so high that you may not notice 8000 Hz. As you want to be able to manipulate the mouse, easily and very fine movements are incredibly important at that polling rate. It is difficult to do this with heavy mice, which is why mice that have higher pulling rates tend to be lighter. Additionally, the clicks seem to be very hit or miss, which doesn’t make the mouse all that enjoyable. I think the build quality from a shell perspective is good/great. I think the scroll wheel is fine. And I think it has a fine shape. I’m also not convinced that corsair has good firmware to lower latency. As I tend to not be on any of the charts, and I’ve never felt them to be very good in comparison to what I would classify as a good gaming mouse. For 8000 Hz to be noticeable, you tend to need to have a high tier set up with high tier aim in a mouse that is sensitive enough sensor with low weight with low enough latency to fully utilize the technology. I’m not convinced the corsair has that. I’m not necessarily saying they don’t have that either as I don’t have any real evidence outside of my subjective opinion. And the fact that I never hear anybody talking about corsair in the mice community or on charts. Plus for the price. I also wonder about the performance at that level as mice that are three times as expensive have difficulty doing that well I have a hard time thinking that something that is a lot less expensive is going to do it well. With all that said, I’m also a firm believer with going with what you think is best and trying it out for yourself to see if it performs to the level that you find to be adequate. Personally, I would not pay that money for this product. As in 2023 there are a lot of better choices. That may not have 8000 Hz but will perform better in multiple different categories that will give me better performance and game. 8000 Hz is not completely changing by itself. For example, if I have a Ferrari engine and a piece of crap car, I can tell people that I have a Ferrari engine, but I won’t be able to use it to its full extent because the aerodynamics of the body of the car, the wheels, transmission, suspension, and other aspects of the car won’t be able to handle that well which makes it kind of useless. I would look into the razor viper, 8K wired gaming mouse. You should be able to find it for around the same price. And it’s going to be significantly better in every category. Except for maybe shape which is personal preference. You can also look into the deathadder V3 wired also comes with 8K and is even better than the viper due to internals. And is going to be larger but more of a similar shape to this for palm grip.

[@__LC__]

@@ThomasMuehler Ok, thank you for your advice! I'll try the mouse out if I don't like it I'll just return it and buy a better one maybe the DeathAdder V3.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this one. @@__LC__

[@mf1936]

You can't just yell with frustration that it weighs 128 g when you can easily remove some of them so it's 110. Dramatic child

[@ThomasMuehler]

Oh, but I can, and I will. lol. Especially, now when most FPS mice are 40 - 60 grams. Right now one of them is 38 grams, has dramatically better specs, and is larger (Finalmosue Ultralight X). This is nearly 100 grams heavier. That's insane. But with that said, some people like heavier mice and this guy can take care of that demographic.

[@diagorecords9878]

4:23

[@project.jericho]

Your pacing is off, slow down.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Appreciate the constructive criticism.

[@rarityd]

Many peep preferred heavier mouse

[@ThomasMuehler]

Serious question... is that because they've never tried a quality light mouse? Also, what makes you prefer a heavy mouse over a lightweight one? What benefits do you gain?

[@rarityd]

@@ThomasMuehler I also have the model O wirleless, razor ultimate and the G pro superlight but I often game with the heavier M65 because I feel more in control while using it.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@rarityd Gotcha, that makes sense. I don't mind heavy mice. But think lighter mice are easier to perform better with more consistently (not that you can't with a heavier mouse).

[@ivanespinosa6223]

Haha “it weights a ton!!!” Me still using my g700s mouse…152 grams

[@ThomasMuehler]

JEEZ, do you have Popeye Forearms?! lol Color me impressed. If you got a hold of the new Razer Deathadder V3 Pro, Razer Viper V2 Pro, Logitech G Pro X Superlight, or especially the Starlight-12 you'd probably accidently throw them across the room. Granted, the Starlight-12 with its magnesium alloy would probably survive. lol. It would be fascinating to catch your reaction when first testing out those "superlight mice" that are at most 60 grams with the Starlight 12 being around 43 - 45 grams.

[@ivanespinosa6223]

@@ThomasMuehler I just bought the m65 rgb ultra wireless and another one called glorious d model wireless. 110+ grams vs 69g…….

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@ivanespinosa6223 And what are you thoughts on the 69 gram one? Do you prefer lighter weight mice or still a fan of heavier ones?

[@ivanespinosa6223]

@@ThomasMuehler haven’t got them yet. I’m not in the US so I have to won’t for them to ship to my country. I’ll let you know. I’m retiring my g700s mouse and my g19s keyboard

[@ivanespinosa6223]

I have to wait for them* sry I typed wrong

[@MrPandemicalert]

Lolol umm take out the weights then? Idk yo heavy mouse=better feedback. Just gotta get use to things.

[@ThomasMuehler]

You can't always take the weights out. Also, not everybody wants to open up their mouse to do so. I can see where you're coming from with a heavier mouse can provide better feedback. But I think the opposite could be said as well. Acclimating is always a solid option as well. But just interesting to see an FPS mouse that is heavy in 2022. As that is not the norm.

[@MrPandemicalert]

@@ThomasMuehler oh didnt know there was weights you couldnt take out. Just ordered this mouse, transfering from the night sword which has some weight. Didnt even put all the weights in either. Thanks for the review!

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@MrPandemicalert Well... yes and no. Like it comes with weights you can add or remove. But then they still add some others to make it what it is. Along with just general structure. I was more relating to lightweight mice (which are engineered to be lightweight) where this one is more engineered to be heavy (and therefore structurally has areas that aren't made to be lightweight). But I would love to hear your opinion of it once you get it in and try it out.

[@katherynet1424]

The weights are optional you got to have installed them to take them out anyway! LOL

[@DamianS2624]

for me its not avaible

[@ThomasMuehler]

What's not available?

[@DamianS2624]

@@ThomasMuehler to buy that mouse, evey where its out stock in my place it is

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@DamianS2624 I want to say that they had some shipping delays. I'd just keep an eye out. Should become available here soon.

[@DamianS2624]

@@ThomasMuehler Oke, and may it delay because of the issues with buttons probarly.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@DamianS2624 Yeah, I'm not sure. But certainly hope that is the reason.

[@eunkyung8775]

B atw

[@ThomasMuehler]

Oh heck yeah! Thanks for letting me know that is very helpful.

[@BlueStarBRS]

Dont judge a mouse on the weight people Like me need heavy Mouse for good aim deal with it.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I completely respect your opinion. Know a lot of people prefer heavier mice. But will continue to judge mice on their weight. As I still have yet to find someone who doesn't prefer a lighter mouse once they try it out.