Sitting Bull Tells of Fanny Kelly and Brings Plenty, Her Oglala Sioux Husband (ep. 17)

In this video, we read a section from "Sitting Bull, Champion of the Sioux," by Raymond Vestal, the pen name of Walter Campbell, and University of Oklahoma English professor who wrote several books on the southwest. In this episode, we hear an account of Fanny Kelly's captivity from the perspective of Sitting Bull and some of his relatives.
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[@danielcombs3048]

Wow, just incredible. 1st. Sitting Bull was a much more incredible leader than I had realized. And the wisdom and foresight to recognize the future of many Indian tribes. 2nd Bear 🐻 Heart ❤️. Unbelievable.

[@johnlea8519]

Very enlightening, the different ways that captive women were treated is amazing but even for those women who were treated well it still must have been hell.

[@terriaustill2211]

A lot like being a foster child….

[@jeannerogers7085]

Some refused to return, declaring they were satisfied with life and their families amongst the indigenes.

[@johnlea8519]

@@jeannerogers7085 yes that makes sense when you think about their lives on the frontier, life was hard on women in those days.

[@rt3box6tx74]

@jeannerogers7085 Today the phenomenon of submitting to captors is known as Stockholm Syndrome.

[@petermcculloch4933]

Many of the white women who refused to return were mother's and did not want to leave their children.

[@grannyfisher3863]

I appreciate the fact that you read first-hand accounts from both sides of the conflicts going on in this land in the past. They are much more reliable than what we read in history books written decades after all concerned parties are dead, or see in movies that glamorize the stories.

[@BrianJohnson-bb2vi]

Couldn't agree more, this guy is working his passion. Like the longer format.

[@Quincy_Morris]

Hey many stories should be glamorized. Grittiness is the lie more than glamorization

[@afellowamericanafellowamer5317]

Granny fisher- We can't believe what we read about what goes on today, so how can we believe what was written years ago. Look here at these comments, people talking about liberals and 'likes'. I read a publication last week, an old magazine in 1890. It had the daily news from each state. It mentioned briefly that Dec 29, a military officer, several soldiers and several Indians were killed in a battle at Pine Ridge.

[@captainaxle438]

It's interesting to see this man's account but it has absolutely no impact on what Fanny Kelly went through or the way she interpreted the experience. This man was also trying to sell books. Fanny Kelly earned the right to tell the story anyway she wanted. The horror and savagery she experienced was real and her story should not be dismissed

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

Exactly. Very well said.

[@billbearback2591]

i so agree , the hide of campbell ,who the hell is he to ridicule or criticise her version , she lived it not him , she wasn't on holiday ,it wasn't a fun adventure she chose

[@JesusRunsMyHouse]

Her account of what happened could have been nothing more than a story to get the population to feel sorry for her. So since none of us were there we can't say if she lied or not but more than likely she twisted the truth to fit her narrative! The Sioux were more likely to adopt her into the tribe if she hadn't killed anyone.

[@lanawaldron6819]

Interesting how accounts differ. Fanny tells what happened to her, from her stand point and the Indians give their accounts, from what happened to them. Vestal gives his account taken from Indians who were not necessarily involved in the events and were only told verbal histories of events. I tend to go along with Fanny who lived it instead of a man who had second and third accounts. History is multi faceted and I prefer to hear the first hand accounts and make up my own mind. I don't need someone else to do that for me.

[@kibblenbits]

I too, would go with Fanny's account. Her captivity was long term, which is far different than a one time blitz attack, where shock alone, could alter somone's memory of an event.

[@julieclayton-west624]

Agree

[@LQOTW]

I agree to a point. But as Mrs. Kelly didn't know the difference between tribal traditions, attitudes, or intentions nor understood well the language she could have easily misinterpreted the intentions of those who returned her. Trauma may have colored everything said and done by others as negative.

[@glendabarton1914]

History reminds me of the old "Blind Men and the Elephant" trope. Each man describes the part of the elephant he could feel with his hands. Each man believes the portion he feels is the whole of the animal rather than a portion. Reporting history is like that too. Then there's the trope of "history is written by the victors, the winners". From all this, it's a challenge to write an actual, truthful history. The human race should do the best they can to report history accurately. I'm not disparaging anything that is written here, but the current rightwing project of literally whitewashing history, censoring any accounts of history, like slavery and genocide, that might hurt their children's self-esteem, is self-defeating.. Because, of course, these children have such fragile Egos they would feel blamed for the cruelties of the past. I'm being sarcastic. That seems to me an insult to those children, who are likely a much better judge of reality than their elders, that is, once they know it. I know people of my generation were willing and ready to know the truth, as teenagers. It's a disservice to our youth to always insist on the exceptionalism of white or American people, and conversely, the barbarity of the Native Americans and foreigners of other nations. There was good and the light on both sides. There was evil and ugliness on both sides as well. From the knowledge of a holistic embrace of the good, the bad and the ugly we can build an even greater nation and society and strive for world peace. The more real and more accurate we can make the retelling of history for young people, the better prepared they will be to lead this country, this democracy. The old saying that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it has never seemed so appropriate when we are treated to an in-your-face repeat project by a man of German descent who is following almost to the "t" the playbook of Der Fuehrer and 1/3 of American citizens are copying the Goebbels-style propaganda with which they are inundated.

[@alicel3992]

Amen. First hand information.

[@ritamorton2186]

Recognizing the era, Fanny’s account was likely romanticized. However, there is absolutely no reason that she be discredited. No doubt she was permanently scarred from her horrible experiences. It is a miracle she lived to tell what happened.

[@arlenem6659]

Really? A miracle. By that do you mean all native American s were savages? So, the native American were savages, but it was okay to hang peaceable natives, is that right?

[@Sarita-ci9wc]

What I heard from this story was that the Native Americans were at peace having no desire for war. But the Europeans came and installed a.military to take all land and murder all natives. Karma is real painful and is upon us. The country is being over run by natives of other countries who eventually will set up amilitary to take America over. Perhaps Joe Biden is reincarnation of one of those evil Generals from back then trying to right the wrongs of then by giving the land away.

[@tecumsehcristero]

I believe Fanny Kelly everyone else can kick rocks

[@deemcc7784]

Me, too!

[@elliewall7621]

Considering the deaths of many civilians up to and including the attack that resulted in Kelly's capture, I'm more inclined to side with her account than Vestal's.

[@terriejohnston8801]

Sitting Bull will ALWAYS BE A LEGEND. New to.ur channel..& SO VERY EXCITED to learn more about American history. HOWEVER...I AM ONE GIRL WHO TOTALLY respect ALL peoples.

[@deana8202]

I love hearing the real stories.

[@GrannyV29]

This is one of my favorite history channels.

[@user-cj4qn8qm3p]

Campbell seems to have motives to discredit Fanny Kelly. Fanny Kelly would have picked up enough of the language to not mistake the many sources that the Blackfeet and other tribes intended to attack soldiers and also to wipe out the fort. This was a time when they were attacking settlers and soldier patrols and a stone age people had no clue how many whites were going to come. They believed they could win in a war against the whites. Red Cloud took a train back east which opened his eyes when he saw the numbers of whites and the technology. He was very pro war prior to that trip but wanted peace after the trip.

[@rt3box6tx74]

... "stone age people"? Meh...

[@user-cj4qn8qm3p]

@@rt3box6tx74 Yes, those would be people who made all their tools and weapons from wood, stone and bone. When they had access to traders, they were able trade pelts for steel arrowheads, steal lance heads, steal tomahawks, guns, ammo and in the early days gun powder. With a little research you shouldn't have too much trouble confirming that. They also liked such things as copper cooking pots and the like. The horse they had only had access to for about 150 years prior and they came from the Spanish. I hope you don't think they mined ore and manufactured these things.

[@rt3box6tx74]

@user-cj4qn8qm3p Fannie Kelly's captivity was well within the 150 yrs indigenous people had horses and access to burned out homesteads of the people they slaughtered to acquire metal tools. Staying within the timeline of events discussed in the videos helps eliminate necessity for encyclopedic comments. I live in a region where indigenous people were still turning up after leaving the OK reservations to travel SW and "hunt" my ranching family's cattle during late winter and spring when their food ran short. My grandfather learned to meet them and help pick out which steers he wished to "donate". He was a bull breeder. He needed to keep the animals with best confirmation for sale to customers. The alternative was having his largest beeves slaughtered on his prairie pasture where any meat that didn't fit on the pack animal was left behind on the prairie to rot. He learned through experience they wanted a beef to kill immediately for celebration purposes, and enough excess to pack back to OK for their families. He adopted a practice of gifting them two beeves. If they found the same level of charity for the trek from the reservation across 100+ miles to my grandfather's land they could have accumulated quite a sizeable amount of beef on their "hunting" trip. At that time public roads were scarce. Neighbors and travelers used private property wagon roads to make cross country trips. After barbed wire fences were common each landowner whose property was crossed carefully scrutinized traveler(s). The info was exchanged at weekly church services and general stores where ranchers met while picking up supies. They shared among community members as to the route taken and any other info thought to be pertinent. NM was a haven for train robbers, horse thieves and outlaws before statehood. Encounters with many suspected outlaws were common in my area of TX. The rule was bachelor cow camps welcomed any traveler who approached near or after nightfall. Leftover food and beverage was customarily offered. Questioning travelers as to their destination or where their journey began were considered rude and were commonly answered evasively. Lone travelers frequently announced they were headed to a town to the east, but the tracks showed after two miles they rode south. These gossip networks were a vital component of law enforcement in the years before publicly traveled roads allowed travelers to easily remain anonymous.

[@user-cj4qn8qm3p]

@@rt3box6tx74 Interesting family history. For sure it was within the 150 years and it may even have been up to 200 years back depending on the area. Spanish horses were escaped or taken from Spanish from Mexico and Texas and it took a long time for they to mass breed to the numbers found on the plains so for northern areas the Sioux occupied it may have been only a 100 years back.Only point I was making was the changes to a warrior horse tribe was pretty recent in their history but they were still a stone age people as they couldn't produce the better weapons themselves. It sounds like your grandfather was donating to limit the loss of the best of the cattle herd. If left to themselves the Indians would probably have picked many of the better animals as there is a difference in meat quality usually.

[@cecileroy557]

@@rt3box6tx74 Rather ironic that you criticize someone's insightful comment as "being unnecessary" - then you leave a comment 2x as long as theirs!!!!!!!!!!?

[@lynnriggs4244]

When will people ever learn to respond in mercy, not anger and vengeance. ❤️

[@melblackall6323]

Thank you! I’ve been really enjoy this series so much so that we’re going to study this in our homeschool. Many blessings to you!

[@hyacinthlady]

Enjoy the stories so much. Thank you.

[@billbearback2591]

old campbell sounds like a bit of a monday morning quarter back to me , i wonder if he was in kelly's body and shoes if he may have had a bit more compassion for her , i mean after all the cheek of the woman enjoying such a fun filled adventure and then giving her own version

[@TinaFivesten]

Yes, the men in history have a way of always deminishing women and not telling the world how intelligent, strong and brave they have been. It must always be looked upon as rare. Very much so in modern day (I, myself have been in the news for being 'the first'/unique woman to do boxing, work as a security guard and such, but I'm NOT the first and it's not fair to the women before me, or the young ones, whom always are fooled into believing the lies)!

[@markpalmer6760]

Another fascinating story, enjoyed

[@TinaFivesten]

Cambell (as most men do; slander women), wanted to take away the heroic stamp of Fanny Kelly. No woman is hailed by the men, whom wants to change history!

[@tonyhammer3588]

I see you have an agenda. Feminist ?

[@gwenshin]

@@tonyhammer3588 Pot calling kettle black. Women have always been hated and sometimes killed if they were able to outdo men in anything. You can tell by the way this guy even had to make a juvenile dig at Fanny Kelly's name. As if that had anything to do with it.

[@TrueMcSunshine]

IKR, horrible, sexism is still very much alive today, I've witnessed countless times men of different ethnicities have each others back covering sexual harassment

[@billytrevathan6405]

He seemed more concerned with portraying the Sioux and natives in general as peaceful and horribly mistreated by the white Americans. He got his information from Sioux and other natives and he grew up with Cheyenne and Arapaho boys. He is obviously and blatantly biased in his account.

[@madarab37]

You could just as easily say that women, as most women do, slander men. You clearly have a bias. Feminist has entered the chat.

[@bigkings.8804]

Thank you. I thoroughly enjoy. I wasn't that good of a student of history back in the 1970s. But I sure am now. I can't get enough. Thank you. Thank you. Scott Seattle WA

[@lambastepirate]

Great story as always. Thanks

[@bobbyadkins885]

Wow, just found this channel about a week ago and just finished the whole Fanny Kelly playlist, amazing story thank you for putting this out there, great channel

[@01Varda]

I'm from the UK (England) and I have always had much admiration for the Native American Indians, I call them the real Human Beings, and the West could still learn so much from their culture. I have just found your channel and subscribed.

[@biggusdickus9148]

Your crazy lol

[@maxinefreeman8858]

Many women that were returned wouldn't treated right especially if they had lived with a Native American as a wife.

[@anthonytroisi6682]

There was prurient interest in how captive women were treated in relationship to Native American men. White women who were involved in any way with Native American men were ostracized when they returned to White society. Unrealistically, Victorians believed that the interaction between White woman and Native American men was "a fate worse than death". When some White captives returned to their families, they were careful not to discuss certain aspects of their captivity .

[@freeto9139]

Your coverage of all the sides was as good as I've ever heard considering the available records. I've listened to you several times, now. This was your best work, so far! IMO Appreciate your perspective on tying many loose ends together ❤️

[@darrenmcg97]

Very good Daryl' apart from the Little Bighorn not heard much about Sitting Bull' thank you regards Darren

[@rt3box6tx74]

Agree. More about Sitting Bull is welcome.

[@marymcdonagh-ql4sx]

I have alot of respect for sitting bull and his nephew, they didn't want war, but they were two very brave indians , two very brave warriors who ,just wanted to protect their people and their land, and wanted their people to be left alone! Sad 🥺

[@user-in2ru8cs1g]

Thank you for telling this story! I've been to the Killdeer area in North Dakota many times.

[@dal8963]

He says her Indian friends but she was not friends with them she was their captive prisoner, this was interesting tho

[@cecileroy557]

It's human nature to make friends when living with "others", even if you've been captured.

[@philipcollins5440]

Keep up the great work 👍 I do enjoy the history you bring 😅

[@nyckolaus]

Thank you!

[@cynthiamcgee4829]

I personally agree with you and I think that all the schools in the United States ought to have this book in their library. As well as all the other books that tell of the correct history maybe then the children of this country will get the truth.

[@cynthiamcgee4829]

Sitting Bull was not only a great Chief he was a great Warrior and he was a great tactician. In Lakota his name is tatanka iyotake❤

[@stephaniemarie2074]

I mean..why would Fanny Kelly lie? I’m sure the truth lies somewhere between the two accounts.

[@Thecorgially]

I just received the book she wrote about her capativy with the Sioux with Fanny Kelly.

[@staciesidloski2481]

I believe Fanny!

[@TinaFivesten]

Metoo

[@stephansmith3570]

She probably wrote the account the way she did, that of being married to a very old chief with many wives and mostly for menial service, to conceal from her family and the public that she was forced into marriage and sex with one of the younger men. It's very understandable if this was the case.

[@marymcdonagh-ql4sx]

I'm gaining more knowledge by reading the comment section, some very intelligent and knowl edgable people in here! Very interesting story , would love to read Mrs Kelly's book...

[@deadhorse1391]

Another great video! With different accounts of an event is hard to tell what is the real truth, usually I imagine it is somewhere in the middle

[@TracyD2]

I would tend to lean towards the person who experienced this and less of a motivation to lie.

[@karawilliamson106]

Fascinating

[@annestep3895]

Makes me so sad.

[@lonamarymueller]

Thank you! At last Sitting Bull is the true hero! My Great Uncle, & Irish immigrant John Meagher m. Mt. Man Thomas Fitzpatrick's half Arapaho daughter Thomasine, giving me an authentic Indian heritage!

[@tonyhammer3588]

So, you don’t the fake Indian Elizabeth Warren?

[@billballbuster7186]

I am sure that the Raymond Vestal accounts of the Sioux and Fanny Kelly are correct. I do feel sorry for Mrs Kelly, no matter how well treated the stress and fear must have been overwhelming for her.

[@theheartoftexas]

I can’t listen to anymore of the Vestal/Campbell drivel. He writes from such an extreme bias. So much of this just doesn’t make sense or ring true. So many of these “vanity books “ were published back then, and I’ve never read one that was more than 20% truthful.

[@arnoldmurphy8912]

Love this channel. When keeping it real go's right ✅️

[@sherricoffman]

ThankYou 4 Sharing about Sitting Bull (LazyBullYShitter) LOL 😆 😂 🤣 😄 ❤🎉MuchLove

[@Cynthia-vw9ov]

Thee was a moment when Eddie was dying and he was crying bitter tears and I could not console him and now I understand why.

[@cissiepierce664]

For 100 years the Native Americans have told a very different story of the Battle of the Little Bighorn. A forensic analysis of the site was carried out in the mid 2000’s and verified the Native account. It’s impressive and I suggest anyone interested should watch the video. Our government had a vested interested in supporting the “Official Account”of the time as did Libby Custer. Considering the culture of the time, I can understand that Fanny Kelly probably had a similar interest in her version of her own captivity. For that reason I would not completely discount Sitting Bull’s version!

[@BrianJohnson-bb2vi]

My thoughts are Thanks for Your Work.

[@shawnwaller8687]

His account of sand creek shows his bias the Cheyenne were not unarmed and many soldiers did die not justifying what happened but wrong was done on both sides. I tend ro believe Kelly's account the soldiers back her story with the letter she sent warning them .

[@daveboise_2222]

I think it's so interesting how people want to take sides here. I don't think Fanny Kelly was lying, she just didn't understand what was really happening behind the scenes. The stories aren't all that different. I thought her return story seemed a little odd, but this new narrative ties it all together and makes more sense than her version. Whites and Indians were equally cruel, but it was the Indian way of life that was being destroyed to benefit the whites, so clearly their grievance is justified. Telling both sides is important. Truth dies in darkness.

[@TinaFivesten]

The truth has indeed died.

[@rt3box6tx74]

They were not "equally cruel". Indians were barbaric. US Cavalry was retaliatory, but European pioneers? Nope. The land they crossed or used was raw and empty of civilization. There were no settlements on it. The nomadic tribes only passed through if the buffalo led them there. Otherwise there were no signs of ownership until brutal sneak attacks occurred. European settlers didn't raise cavalries and randomly attack the nearest indigenous encampment based on race, ethnicity, language. Where are the accounts of indigenous tribe's children being enslaved and used as beasts of burden or babies being used for target practice because they cried? Any maltreatment of indigenous people was done by the US Gov't, a wholly owned and fully sponsored arm of Imperialistic British colonialism to this very day. Everyone fretting about Chinese investments in U.S. farmland seem unfazed by British ownership. You might want to research some numbers. Before international real estate transactions could be done over the web, agents practicing in my region of Texas traveled to the UK to complete sales quite regularly. Texas traded a block of ten Panhandle counties to multiple Brit consortiums for the cash to build our spectacular pink granite capitol. That's just one of thousands of examples of British having their hands in our pie. There's a British finance co operating in the south. If my laptop hadnt crashed I'd give you the name. I barely scratched the surface, but I know it exists because of an encounter with one of their brokers who resides in TN. Does he believe his foreign employer is the epitome of evil? I doubt it. He's just an ambitious guy making a real good living off of salary + commissions. I wonder if he was invited to the coronation?

[@cecileroy557]

⁠@@rt3box6tx74 You are so wrong about the land belonging to Native Americans. I'm actually shocked... Each tribe had their own territory. Your way of reasoning is exactly what white settlers said/believed at that time. Just because a people don't have permanent buildings - which wasn't possible for the plains Indians because of their hunting culture - doesn't mean they didn't have a culture. Seems like you were born in the 1880s due to your uninformed opinion. I noticed that & didn't bother to read the rest of your looong diatribe.

[@SuperBC10]

You’re right. In fact, if you think of it, mostly everything can be traced back to the greed of the British. Especially in more recent times ie since the British Empire.

[@phoebeandem8015]

"Long Dog had a charm, he was with a ghost and no one could kill him." Anyone know any more about this interesting statement? I'd love to know more.

[@Blackadder153]

Give or take, In many Native beliefs Men would essentially meditate or pray to the Creator through song and bring offerings to a place of sacred significance. There they would stay until they see visions, future events or receive a special blessing that they believe would make them powerful usually keeping a memento of the event which was worn around the neck or in a leather bag as a charm.

[@TRHARTAmericanArtist]

After following your wonderful account of Fanny Kelly's abduction and the horror she witnessed I am more likely to believe her first hand account despite any errors she may have had not knowing the language. It is always more likely that her written account is more truthful than the "oral history" of those older Indians who were not present. Given the similarities of testimony given by other abductees fortunate enough to have lived through their ordeal I am more inclined to believe Fanny rather than Campbell whose research is scanty at best many years after the event. It still sickens me to think of little Mary Kelly's murder at the hands of those monsters who killed her. There is no justification whatsoever for this malicious act.

[@washingtondale]

Hunter-gathering means opportunistic predation; Can’t fault the natives nor their harsh comeuppance.

[@Weesunflower]

Disgusting comment. Look at the true history of your country. Whose land was it? Absolutely disgusting. Anyone different and nothing has changed

[@TRHARTAmericanArtist]

Can't praise them either, but that's what the revisionists historians have been doing for years. Their tech was weaker. Assimilate or be destroyed.@@washingtondale

[@TrueMcSunshine]

You call them "monsters!" For a handful of captive incidents, but the truth is Euro men since 1492 have taken thousands of Native women captive countless times, that's even evident before 1492 with Norsemen having a Native woman as captive and as a result there's a population of Icelandic women with a North American indigenous mtdna. Your racist reasoning justifies taking Native women captive such as Sacajawea who was around 14, when she was given to a perverted French trader probably at least 30 yrs older than her,La Malinche or Marina who helped Hernan Cortes take down the Aztec empire taken captive and passed around to several Spanish conquistadors including Cortes,Pocahontas was about 12, when she was taken. There's countless Native women who didn't have a choice, or captives to Euro men. It seems you're just racist, you made that obvious by justifying what happened to millions of Native women, because of a few captive women that probably share the same ethnicity with you. Shame on you, for pushing racism and justifying the rape and Native Women

[@jimd8008]

I always enjoy your narration of our 'forgotten' past.

[@deana8202]

Her native husband was a handsome man. Would have been interesting to see his DNA results.

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

Amen to that.😊

[@TinaFivesten]

Maybe an ancestor of the singer Steve Perry...

[@Raelven]

He is a doppelganger to a friend who is adopted, knows only that he was born on a reservation in 1960, but is unsure of his exact tribal lineage. I will show this to him. Brings Plenty could be his clone, they look so much alike. Maybe it will help him untangle his ancestry.

[@pamelia59]

i believe that photo was not Brings Plenty

[@victoraa8682]

100% native no doubt

[@Lynne76]

Just found this Channel and its brilliant, I have subscribed and will be starting from the beginning. 😊

[@sherricoffman]

No offenses against the Good Indians ❤🎉 But there's Always 2 the Good, Bad n Ugly n The EVIL in whatever race, culture, religion etc. ❤🎉 We should know each other better n real Truth In history By The SPIRIT of TRUTH n LIFE in every Race, Culture, N GOD has NOT given US a Spirit of fear But of POWER, LOVE N A SOUND MIND!!! ❤🎉GOD ALLMIGHTYS PEACE N JOY Not As This world gives !!!❤🎉GOD is NOT the Author of Confusion But of PEACE!!! ❤🎉Where there Is ENVY n Strife N Division, Theres Every Other Evil WORK!!!❤🎉 LordJESUS HelpUS ALL!!!❤🎉 ThankYOU ❤🎉MuchLove

[@ludwigderzanker9767]

Yes Daryl! Ludwig

[@danielhawkins6141]

Do you have podcasts? Your stuff is awesome!

[@andreweden9405]

I'm not even a dog person, but I feel so bad for all of the animals drawn into warfare that they didn't even have, or want anything to do with! The killing of the animals, even cats and dogs, which was apparently done by both American Indians and Whites, is just unconscionable! I can't stop thinking about the whimpering "puppies in their miniature teepees"!!!😲😢

[@katiedotson704]

That kind of behavior has always bothered me since childhood. I have loved animals as far back as I can remember. This disgust of the wonton destruction of innocent animals goes back to the story of the Great Flood and when the Israelites took over Canaan. This slaughter was commanded by God. This was among the first cracks of doubt for me about the professed goodness of the Abrahamic God. By the time I was 12 years old, I still believed God existed but I could not worship or pray to Him. I still spent my life afraid to admit I didn’t believe in any deity. I was 60 when I finally come to terms with this total lack of belief. It was like a great weight had been lifted. My love for animals continues as I enter into my 70’s. They have given me more love, honesty, and loyalty than I ever got from between the covers of any Holy Book.

[@andreweden9405]

@@katiedotson704 , Well, we definitely disagree when it comes to belief in God. As a gay person, it would be incredibly easy for me to use the fact that I was born/created that way as a basis to dismiss Christianity. However, I know that God and the universe are much more complex than that! I'm also a professional classical musician, and the mere EXISTENCE of music stands as its own, powerful witness to the existence of the Divine. Not that there aren't others, but music is a particularly potent manifestation of God for me. And I would be careful using episodes from the Old Testament as a reason to disbelieve Christianity. Much of the Old Testament was basically negated with the New Covenant with Christ in the New Testament. However, even from the Old Testament, you have this commandment: "The righteous care for the needs of their animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel." Proverbs 12:10

[@gwenshin]

@@katiedotson704 Agree it makes me wonder why an all powerful supreme being would have any want or need at all for a slaughtered lamb.

[@ragnapodewski4694]

If you have sympathy for the Ukrainian people, you must have for the Sioux too. They lived there first.

[@marilyncalvert4143]

My mother read native history to us every night because she knew our schools didn’t teach us each culture. At home we learned slave history and Native American history. If it wasn’t for her we’d grow up naive.

[@joseybrown105]

When does Fanny Kelly tell her story on this video? I have listened to half of it and…….nothing by Fanny.

[@cunderw12]

It’s sad the the military didn’t care to recognize the difference in tribes. One tribe in one state would do something, and the army would attack a completely different and innocent tribe killing all their women, children, and elders.

[@SuperBC10]

I don’t know who to believe really. I’ve read the Narrative of Fanny Kelly and I do thing that a lot of more personal stuff was definitely left out. There would be no doubt in my mind that some kind of sexual encounter(s) took place with her, forced or unforced. The white prize that her captors had wasn’t just for looking at.

[@CastleMc]

Nobody says "Sioux" anymore. These people were Lakotas

[@debbylou5729]

They clearly do. Especially when reading 1st hand accounts

[@deemcc7784]

Sioux do. I HV Sioux friends.

[@Khatoon170]

How are you doing sir. Thank you for your wonderful cultural documentary channel. I gathered main information about topic you mentioned as always . First of all Sioux tribe means ( little snakes ) which spiteful nickname given them by Ojibwa, their long time foe . Fur traders abbreviated this name to Sioux and now commonly used . Sioux was powerful tribe Lakota , also called Teton dwellers on prairies . Western Sioux known for their hunting and warriors culture. With arrival of horse in 1600s , Lakota would became most powerful tribe on plains by 1850s . Sitting bull was champion of Sioux , political and spiritual leader of Sioux warriors who destroyed General George Armstrong Custer force in famous battle “ little big horn “.

[@Khatoon170]

Last part of my research sitting bull ( born in 1831 near grand river , Dakota territory now in South Dakota- died in 1890 on grand river South Dakota) . Teton Dakota Indian chief under whom Sioux people united in their struggle for survival on North American Great Plains . He considered most famous Indian chief in American history . He spent fours years as refugee in Canada. His famous quote (if we must die we die defending our rights ). He was supreme leader in Lakota Sioux . Sitting bull was expected to move every one in his village impossible 240 Milles on bitter cold . Sitting bull refused to back down he must red force that included Arapaho, Cheyenne and Sioux and faced against General crook in 1876 , winning victory in battle of rose bud . He is known for hunk papa Lakota ( holy man and leader ). He was killed by Indian agency police on standing rock Indian reservation , during attempt to arrest him , at that time when authorities feared that he would join ghost dance movement. I hope you like my research. Good luck to you your dearest ones .

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

Thanks for sharing your research. I always enjoy added info and personal stories.😊 As for destroying Custer, I think you could add he also destroyed the Indian nations. (From that day forward life as they knew it was over.)😔

[@terriaustill2211]

The truth of Custer was he made his own arrogant choices because he wanted position and powers To one day be President. I grew up from 9 yrs old near Custers last stand. Getting gas at the only gas station in town, the Elder Native men would sit on the pouch at the Laundermat. They were kind, (I’m mostly white”), they would talk about the battle of the Little Big Horn. This was in the late sixties. Look up history/ THEY EXPERIENCED IT. They would tell everyone the truth about the war. In the late 80’s Kenny Rogers traveled there, learned many truths and produced THE REAL TRUTH IN A MOVIE

[@nonyabiz550]

​@@terriaustill2211Custer was set up by Sherman though

[@rosiesrandomtreasures1014]

AYYYE AND I BE A MIGHTY SALTY CAPTAIN ... ARRRGH! 💙🏴‍☠️🦯😎⚓️☠️💀

[@masterchieflouie-ko7wo]

we grew up on the prairie in SD & there were Indian kids in our school classes. very amazing people & very different. their version of reality is strange sometimes & yet they survive & thrive out there on the prairie with the crazy wild weather.

[@lhl9010]

do get informed native americans are everywhere and in most schools all across the nation. this isn't the 1800's

[@SuperBC10]

It might as well be, for all the petty squabbling going on here.

[@dianeoliver7613]

Feel so heartbroken when I think of how the Indians were treated back then…

[@roslynbyers5415]

I believe sitting bull, why ? Because he had nothing to lose telling the truth but fanny kelly had everything

[@2012escapee1]

So did Brings Plenty and Fanny Kelly consumate this "marriage"?

[@azlong4596]

Walter Campbell needed to live as a captive, as a women, who continually faced death, torture or the threat of many other forms of cruelty that could be inflicted without warning. Fanny in her narrative, if Campbell had even read it, stated she heard her captors plot the fort massacrer not those that came to take her away. In her situation, having witnessed the horrible atrocities performed on the day she was taken, I don't feel she could think any other way. She had no idea if one band of Indians was any different than those who held her for 5 months. The same can be said of the Indians, they too had no idea that one group of Whites were peaceful or evil. John Chivington was a butcher as were those who rode with him.

[@victoraa8682]

we all know which ones were the true savages.

[@Ellen-hs7zb]

Brings Plenty looks like Michael Landon.

[@silverbackV]

I tend to believe Fanny’s side, she lived it and I don’t care if she misspelled or mangled some names. Obsessing over grammatical discrepancies is a liberals way of discrediting.

[@silverbackV]

@@washingtondale the other guy didn’t live it, he got his information third person .

[@washingtondale]

@@silverbackV I decided to delete it on balance. Fanny’s is 1st person & consistent w/ other eyewitness accounts.

[@loril.mangold8160]

Yeah If this was a woman's depiction, I would tend to Agree with the Woman who is telling her Own story, Also you have to Remember woman were NOT valued then, and treated like some possession that they owned a little like today

[@silverbackV]

@@loril.mangold8160 yet women seem to have survived and thrived. Must have been a man that did that for them because they lack in ability and determination. You know.

[@judyroberds9622]

Gra

[@ultramagahoosierhermit2767]

It's just like when people say a lot of slaves were treated well

[@luciennetaylor4608]

Sitting Bull was Lacota.

[@richardfolkman]

I can't glamorize Fanny Kelly in any way. She should just be glad and thankful to God Almighty she wasn't killed. How many others didn't get the treatment she received. The Comanche would have cut her in pieces.

[@sandrathompson1277]

First Nation people had their country taken away from them…we do not hear much about that..

[@Maria1000G]

@0:15 Sitting Bull is wearing a crucifix.

[@afellowamericanafellowamer5317]

The same actions were refered to as battles or massacres, depending on who's telling the story

[@Taocat1]

Sitting Bull lied about her.

[@amazinggrace5692]

I know it was another time, but I hate that we invade others lands and then call the defenders hostile. New subscriber here.

[@terriaustill2211]

I get that/ HOWEVER- YOU ARE HERE NOW

[@markgarrett3647]

It's fine because they invaded that land as well.

[@ohsweetmystery]

It did not belong to them. Even the natives did not think they owned the land. They were settlers, the same as anyone else.

[@rt3box6tx74]

I advise you watch some previous episodes, those about the early Texas efforts might be a good place to start - but they're somewhat complicated because the western half of TX wasn't exactly a good environment for indigenous people or pioneer settlers in the days before Texians were forced to revolt against our Mexican gov't which failed to stick to the contracts they signed with European settlers to populate the area along the El Camino Real trade route.

[@amazinggrace5692]

@@ohsweetmystery I didn’t say it belonged to them, that would be opposite of what they believed. However they were living on the land and so how is it OK to just say you go. That was my point.

[@APHill-ip8qt]

Campbell does not have a dog in the fight, I believe his account. Kelly wanted to sell books & remain dignified.

[@Karatandstone]

Campbell didn’t know Jack shit.

[@APHill-ip8qt]

@@Karatandstone You are right. He did not know Jack. But he did know Sitting Bull.

[@Karatandstone]

@@APHill-ip8qt that’s your dumb reply??!! He did not know anything of the reality of Fannie Kelly’s kidnap, rape, and incarceration against her will. Jack. Shit. The words of a man whom did not walk in her shoes. Now go cry.

[@sherricoffman]

Long dog 🐕 with magic hmm 🤔

[@andrewdinkel5900]

Nothing about killing and scalping her young niece, then showing Fanny the scalp. Nothing about what she saw them do to men that they captured.

[@rosesilveira344]

Native Americans got a rare deal. Fanny Kelly will be remembered as an opportunist & activist. She caused the spilt of blood on both sides.

[@daviddigital6887]

According to her, she overheard all their conversations and learned their language in the matter of weeks and months. I couldn't learn a new language or remember all these indian names so quickly. Just like people today, cashing in on her misfortune with a book. The Indians had nothing to gain by lying. They were lucky if they got a stick of buffalo jerky for trading her in.

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

Point? Are you lamenting the fact you’re not bright enough to learn another language? (It’s ok I can’t either.😅). Why shouldn’t she write a book?

[@trygveskogsholm5963]

I'm not saying her account is infallible but this is some serious "immersion program" stuff. I'd be paying very close attention.

[@afellowamericanafellowamer5317]

I've read different accounts of, and by, white women captured by the Sioux. Details vary. Most captives seem to have had assistance in writing the books. I don’t know what to believe.

[@KANSASIOUX]

I knew that was propaganda!!!! My ppl are human beings w honor.

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

I have yet to find “any” people that aren’t human beings, or by their measure, without honor.😉

[@brittanyhayes1043]

So is everyone else, racist.

[@terriaustill2211]

Me to Sir- I look white, my parents” lived white, but at 5 years old they always told me the truth. They gave us much respect for many different tribes- as individual people, as family members and as communities lifestyles. I had much respect for people of all nationalities by the time I was 5 years old. Except for German people- that took me longer to get through. I am not Jewish- and my wonderful Father some would call step Father was known as Norwegian. But His Dear Mother was not all but much- German. My Father learned love from his mother- even though he was only 5, when she passed away . Leaving him to care for his little sister whom he had to tie by the waist to the trackter steering wheel as he and his Father plowed the field. Do that she would not fall and be injured. I’m not bragging I’m pointing out that My parents were just a few out of Millions and millions of people happy to come to s land where they could have freedom of Christian faith and have a chance to eat well and raise future generations. 7 years ago an eight yr old Apache- Puma little girl said to me- some kids at school tell me because I’m native that my people were tried to be wiped out by whites. I asked her if she thought God is good. She said yes. I told her I had been treated very badly as a child in school at her age. When they try to make you feel bad for living- You can tell them- LOOK ME IN THE EYE, I AM DTILL HERE. The next day she came from school elated with happiness dancing and excited. She said/ I TOLD THAT GIRL GOD IS GOOD LOOK ME IN THE EYE, I AM STILL HERE! Lol Then she told the girl and a native boy likes me we are friends ,but you have no boys that are your friend. That little girl and I enjoyed the love grace of God in all His wisdom and thanked God- for our lives.

[@terriaustill2211]

I was responding to Kansas Sioux. Danny Sioux is a friend of mine. His Father spoke at many meetings of the elders and Pow-wows. His Father said, all native Americans should be an example that we can live in peace and not fight among ourselves. As you know, Sioux and Cheyenne people were not friends. Danny’s Father, being a Cheyenne Native- changed his last name, legally, to, Sioux. I thank God for that man that lived by example.

[@selah4719]

It was a different time and a different place. The people had a right to protect their lands, their homes from invaders . This was their land and their culture . What our government did to them was horrible and what was done to native American women was brutal.

[@biggusdickus9148]

There was definitely brutality on both sides and tbh the natives twnd to be the ones to start the chaos

[@gcnewd]

Nice info but it would be nice you pause once in a while. Your non stop talking becomes confusing

[@Awhi]

Can the narrator breath between sentences please. Makes the story monotone.

[@dappledcam6154]

I agree. I find it exhausting to listen to with no pause for breath.

[@drmel37]

Good contrast, the Sioux area just rugged, the story true in both sides It is the primal smell of white women, Pine that her Sioux husband was attracted too.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@thefockn3831]

Your dedication to this history has made you way more honorable and creditable than the History channel. If I was dictator of America I would offer you the opportunity to be in charge of the History channl but alas I am not so all I can do is sing your praises forward a link to another person and thank you.

[@sherricoffman]

Sitting Bull Lad withCow 🐄 Wow lol 😆 😂 🤣 😅

[@jacksnyder7318]

The facts and only the facts: She was kidnapped, tortured, raped and enslaved. Nothing a savage (even a chief) says matters. The facts are: she was abducted and did what she had to and survived. What ever happened during her captivity is inconsequential to the fact: she was stolen, abused, sold, traded and survived. Her time in captivity is only important her survival story. She was enslaved, period.

[@cristenklein6647]

Pierre is pronounced "Peer".

[@deemcc7784]

Pee air

[@deemcc7784]

Blk foot

[@eileensullivan4924]

If this version is true, it is certainly regrettable. Terrible and regrettable.

[@Linz-vp7qb]

I do not respect Kelly. I think she's full of it.