Fanny Kelly Tells of the Sioux Sun Dance and Her Treatment During Captivity (ep. 13)

Fanny Kelly tells of another escape attempt, of being lost in the Sioux village, and of a man who had "looked at the sun" in the Sun Dance
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[@Ridendrty]

I am part Indian. If anyone believes Indians did not at times war with and pillage from one another are uninformed. If anyone thinks Indians were not at times cruel to immigrants they are uninformed. I don’t say this to justify evil done to the Indian by immigrants. I say this to encourage a realistic and truthful review of our Nations history including our harsh treatment of one another. Go in peace.

[@Eris1701]

Every ethnicity has at one time or another been taken in slavery, waged war upon, been treated unfairly/cruelly/evilly by another. This is the dark side of humanity, no matter what your race, creed, or color. This is what we are constantly striving to rise above.

[@juliecarne7706]

We all need to face the truth that colour of your skin doesn’t make you cruel just being human does. But we all didn’t act human

[@Ridendrty]

@@juliecarne7706 agree

[@roseamberzine5846]

They weren't cruel but we're fighting expulsion and genocide. They had every right to destroy the interlopers who would enslave and deport at least five million First People around the world.

[@soblue315]

Yeah but there's a point where you lay off your opponent. The colonizers were worse.

[@user-zy3zd3sx2d]

As history shows, potentially horrible behavior is pathologically inherent in all human beings.

[@jackieann5494]

EXACTLY . It's not race or ethnicity . It's individuals . Some good , some evil .

[@Ridendrty]

I have heard it said that most humans are 3 days of no food from becoming savages.

[@jaunabeeks3572]

Do you understand the suffering the native people suffered and some still suffering since the first Europeans came to the US? This story dosent even touch that kind of suffering! Research the first Thanksgiving, the real Thanksgiving. Research how Columbus treated the native people. Just start there.

[@Ridendrty]

@@jaunabeeks3572 while sad and horrific it is unfortunately not unique. Humans have done evil to other humans all over the world and it continues to this day. Sexual enslavement, intentionally converting people to addicts, beheadings for “religious” reasons, funding wars for profit that kill, starve and injure millions and creating virus that can cause people to suffocate and die, forcing people into labor camps are all modern day realties. Evil men do evil shit all the time.

[@jackieann5494]

@@jaunabeeks3572 Blah blah blah ... Research indian raids on rival tribes . Research indian treatment of their slaves , enemies and the tribes they conquered. People are people . There are no saint or demon races or ethnicities . People are people.

[@sue330]

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men create hard times”…. We all living thru tail end of that quote I would say .. God be with us

[@dawood121derful]

Fortune cookie wisdom

[@BbBb-sd2bs]

So fucking basic..

[@miapdx503]

Best comment, thank you 🌹

[@mr.b3168]

Easy for a woman to say.

[@Shineon83]

…I couldn’t agree more.

[@johndaugherty4127]

I am so glad your channel is finally starting to take off. History is vital to the present.

[@Sionnach1601]

Excellent post.

[@johndaugherty4127]

@@bourbon_sketcher exactly.

[@lynne-du9ql]

History can be summed up in one sentence... mankind NEVER learns.

[@Vmaxfodder]

Few do , most don't ever

[@frankmlchaelglasscock6539]

Amen to that

[@cydkriletich6538]

I just finished reading this book last week. Her narrative was so detailed I felt as if I were right there with her. I have read many other books about white women in captivity of the Native American tribes. They seemed to have had different experiences based on the tribe(s) they were with. Cynthia Ann Parker’s story is quite well-known because not only was her son Quannah the last chief of the Comanches and a very well known man in his time, but once Cynthia was “rescued” (many years after she was taken captive at the age of 9), she did not want to go with or stay with her white family. She died shortly thereafter of heartbreak and disease. If anyone is interested in further reading, I highly recommend the book “Comanche Moon” which tells the story of Cynthia Ann’s abduction and the story of her famous son Quannah Parker.

[@jonathanborchardt891]

Quannah was a chief , not the chief. He had opposition in the nation.

[@cydkriletich6538]

@@jonathanborchardt891 By that time in their history, he was considered the chief by whoever it mattered to. Of course he had opposition, especially what with his mom being white. The book didn’t mention too much about opposition to his standing. I imagine the people and their society being so sadly fragmented, there were probably a lot of chiefs. His story, however, is hands down the most fascinating, and the book focused primarily on what happened to his mother, and his life in Oklahoma. It’s a great read. If you haven’t read it, I highly recommend it. I think you’d enjoy it. 🙋🏻‍♀️

[@jonathanborchardt891]

@@cydkriletich6538 I know the author. My son is a Wild Horse descendant.

[@cydkriletich6538]

@@jonathanborchardt891 very cool!

[@chieftain5391]

From what I have read she died of a broken heart when her girl child died. The soldiers had already killed Nocono, her husband whom she loved a lot.

[@oldspiritart]

Love seeing all the old artwork, great job

[@LIZZIE-lizzie]

I bought a book in the Salvation Army written in the early 1920s. It is all about Daniel Boone, his crossing our Eastern Mountains with settlers, their many encounters with the Indians, his kidnapping by the Indians and his sons' kidnapping. The book is totally fascinating and everything described so vividly imagined, like the Indians walking through the impossible mountains without a sound... It's simply titled, DANIEL BOON. A MAN CALLED HORSE, starring RICHARD HARRIS, graphically depicts the ceremony of chest piercing, described here. These books are an unique part of American history, thoroughly captivating! Thank you for the upload!

[@happytoday333]

How on earth did fanny master the language of the Souix people in five months? Let alone remember every conversation from day one, it surely was perceived as miraculous that upon the very day of her kidnap she not only understands whole groups of people talking at her but also in-depth personal conversations. I am not American and just read of her after listening to this. Is she actually considered a good source? I can't get over the language barrier, seemingly being overcome in a matter of a moment.

[@samuelinayat-chisti4176]

@@happytoday333 Wow - among a variety of other thoughts, this one plagued me as well throughout the story. I completely agree with you. It was the same question running constantly through my mind.

[@LIZZIE-lizzie]

@ Emily Borlase On the internet, writing is horrific. People don't read their works, they don't know what they're saying and don't care if it's totally false. Exaggeration for emphasis is the title I'd put that under even though it's giving the writer credit where credit isn't due 😅

[@happytoday333]

@LIZZIE SANGI Sangi I agree about the internet. My own comments can be barely sensible when I am tired, but the woman, fanny Kelly, she wrote her book in 1870 or something like that. It was written in the yesteryear.

[@LIZZIE-lizzie]

@@sjb3460 The story of Daniel Boones' son is fascinating and a good few chapters were written on his life. I don't remember reading he was tortured to "death", which is something the author wouldn't leave lightly, especially considering the very rich and vivid imagery in the manner of which this Biography was written. That would be a huge topic of interest within the Biography. He did learn their ways, which he admired and lived with them for years as one of their "brothers". He attempted at least three escapes. The last of which he made it to a huge river with swift current and somehow made it across. From there the Indians let that be in peace. This is not implying you're statement is false - only that that I don't remember reading Boones' son was tortured to "death" and the last escape so highly detailed and vivid.

[@IrishAnnie]

Read, “Captives of Abs Valley”. My family is buried in the same cemetery as her son who wrote the book. Incredible.

[@paulbriggs3072]

Full title is The Captives of Abb's Valley The Massacre and Captivity of Settlers in Virginia by Indians 1786 by James Moore

[@jakemcnamee9417]

I find these videos very insightful on human nature, I am very interested in how people navigate themselves in these scenarios. I found it amusing when she slandered that woman back to protect herself

[@uptonogood1893]

I work with a high number of women. Some of whom are jockeying for favor with the management. I found the account of the Indian woman trying to trick Fanny, very familiar. I immediately thought "Yup. People behave the same in any culture."

[@InaEsin]

I thought for sure the squaw was trying to get rid of whitey over some guy. "Nothing is different." hahaha

[@anneloving8405]

Human nature is the same everywhere.

[@brianwatland5383]

There is a book written by a Sioux captive and massacre survivor called History of the Spirit Lake Massacre and Captivity of Miss Abbie Gardner. It is her account of the brutal slaughter of her entire family and her time in captivity of a band of renegade Sioux led by chief Ink Patuda. The book is available free online.

[@brianwatland5383]

@caelachyt I will check that out. I find this stuff fascinating.

[@albertmiller3082]

If one examines objective truth, Europeans invaded the sovereign continent of North America. North America was already inhabited from coast to coast by humans who had lived there for millennia. “North America” was what this “New Country” was called by the invaders. The land was “new” only to humans born on another continent. It wasn’t new to the lifelong residents. What was “new” were the European invaders. Whatever the existing people here did to total strangers who swarmed in out of nowhere is not “savage.” Look what Ukraine did when Russians marched in and the Ukrainians KNEW who the Russians were. The Ukrainians fought to defend their homeland. Is that defense “savage” to you? Natives here who did whatever they could to well-armed foreign people who showed up to take over is well within the normal human community response to invasion. Invasions happen throughout history. Genghis Khan. Alexander the Great. Napoleon. Cortez. Hitler. The local inhabitants fought back every time. Invaders are not the honorable peacekeepers. Invaders are murdering opportunists. Whatever the Lakota people did to strangers who moved into the Lakota homeland without invitation or permission is well within their rights. If North Koreans swarmed your house and claimed it for Pyongyang would YOU be a “savage” to fight back? Please, your honest thoughts. 🤷‍♂️🙏🏼

[@caelachyt]

@@albertmiller3082 Just stop with the lying stupidity. Lakota came from Minnesota and murdered and stole the land from other Indians in the plains. "Fighting back" is one thing, setting innocent women and children on fire, shoving sticks down someone's throat, kidnapping or mutilating the dead are not fighting back, they're savagery. Some 50K Indians wandered like nomads over the greater part of what is now 3 huge western states, claiming it was their land. Absurd. They constantly raided and murdered innocents, both white and Indian. Some tribes were better than others. Sick and tired of BS lies.

[@serenawilliams6138]

@@caelachyt The settlers not only cruelly and viciously massacred and starved the Native people,they wiped out their culture and permanently took their land and livelihoods away from them. They even took their children and placed them in institutions to ensure that they would lose their culture, and forget their language. What do you call that? We were the ones who felt that Manifest Destiny was justifiable. That they put up a good fight with whatever they had only means that they were defending what was their’s to begin with. There is nothing that they did that could compare to what the white people in America did to them and in some ways, continue to do.

[@caelachyt]

@@serenawilliams6138 Nonsense and lies. Democrats pushed the Manifest Destiny belief and were largely opposed in that endeavor, by white people, Republicans specifically. There were attempts to assimilate Indians into the culture. If there wasn't, lefty trash would surely be moaning that they were not allowed to partake. "Their land" was land usually stolen from other Indians. The Indians were murdering each other in droves for many centuries before whitey showed up. You have a warped perspective if you think mutilating the dead, murdering or kidnapping countless settlers or torturing captives was "putting up a fight". Okay, inform me.... how are the white people "continuing to do" such things to the Indians? Naming a baseball team, The Braves?

[@GenXstacker]

This is raw history, telling it like it was. No pc woke narratives, just the real life experiences of those who were there. Love it.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

Very refreshing

[@sheilagoos645]

PC? Woke? Um, it's a biography.

[@Terry_1111]

What does "pc woke narratives" mean? Can you please give an example? Thanks.

[@mikemulligan5731]

@@Terry_1111 "WHAA, WHAA!"

[@Terry_1111]

@@mikemulligan5731 ???

[@yildendelta6761]

Her story has quite a few loopholes, for instance she was only with them for 5 months, so the story of the little girl with Black Bear is not something she knew of first hand. To me the story comes across as if she spent years with them not just months, like how did she know what they were saying, did they speak english to her. I'm not implying it didn't happen, just that it sounds exaggerated. Maybe I missed something.

[@user-cz2ih5rj1t]

She was kidnapped by people who could by any metric be considered savages, I’m sure it was hard to considered their side of the story.

[@yildendelta6761]

@@user-cz2ih5rj1t By Any metric? Sure if you judge everything by today's standards but they did not live by today's rules and the world was very very different then. Don't believe everything you read in what were once dimestore novels now converted to history. How would you react if people came in and claimed your stuff as theirs and demanded you live their way while lying to you and breaking treaties constantly and treating you like you didn't deserve to exist?

[@brianobrain8985]

Yes, her story is a little confusing at times. Me too, I thought she had spent years and years with them and then it turns out it was only 5 months.

[@susanc8241]

5 month's to long....

[@ginadoyle4089]

@@yildendelta6761thank you

[@gordonwells1626]

The human heart is deceptively wicked…no matter what race you are or your allegiances

[@barbarakauppi9915]

"... much like children in this respect, very easily offended but very difficult to please." Oy.. could that statement be any more painfully relevant today.

[@Lily-678]

Thank you for sharing 😌 🙏

[@patriotUSA2007]

fascinating!! thank you.

[@kobalt77]

Thank you so much for making and sharing this !!

[@TennesseeTrio]

Amazing video, as always!

[@archeewaters]

this was very interesting. thank you

[@Jason-vm3lz]

Appreciate the content!

[@marypat7196]

Thank you. Unbelievably interesting.

[@SCHULTZEH]

Very interesting show. Thank you

[@Nadia..J]

That was really good. Thank you.

[@Montanasummerfun]

I love love love the rich vocabulary of the past!! My father-in-law, Dr. Thomas Moylan gifted our young family with the thickest dictionary I ever saw! First opening my eyes to the enjoyable feast of actively pursuing and memorizing the definitions of every word. This has increased my pleasure and expanded my experience of life so as to be filled with endless hope for all situations knowing that most people (no matter their culture, race or religion) like to be impressed and can be swayed and even captivated with another’s ability to be playful, smart and cunning in order to live and to tell of their harrowing experiences so that we may continue the human race in the most responsible fashion.

[@ManannanmacLir69]

So much for the myth of them not knowing how to lie 😂

[@mynameislisa2281]

I was thinking that as well.

[@Pantherking916]

"They made us many promises. More than I can remember. They broke them all but one. They promised to take our land and they took it." Chief Red Cloud, Oglala Lakota Sioux, December, 1890.

[@bellinghammond]

"oh well"

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

Boo Hoo

[@Pantherking916]

@@jenniferlloyd9574 Love to see how you'd feel if someone just came and took everything you ever had.

[@victoraa8682]

Those non-natives who broke their promises and attempted genocide on the natives have been judged by the a higher power and are now paying for their wrongdoings by eternal suffering in hell.

[@bellinghammond]

not even close... @@victoraa8682

[@Sgtklark]

Thanks!

[@francocasentieri932]

I was pleased to listen to this story.

[@APHill-ip8qt]

Great content Bro!

[@marcydrake9159]

Thank you for this opportunity to make something that makes me feel connected to my family ❤

[@maguffintop2596]

This… was… amazing!!

[@theopinionisthighqualityopinio]

Today must be my day for all kinds of channels I've never heard of showing up in my reccomended feed! I'm really glad this one did though, because I watched the video and it was fascinating. I've also looked over the list of other videos on the channel and can't wait to watch them! Thanks very much, from a new sub!! 🙂

[@cynthiafritze7418]

That day is today for me

[@gpp5655]

Thanks again Unworthy History for some real History.

[@Sionnach1601]

Extremely enjoyable tales Sir. I absolutely commend you. These are as important as descriptions of great battles, as they describe the psychology and the culture of the people involved. They also give us glimpses into human nature, and how humans behave under completely different sets of circumstances from what we know of our present cultures, and those of our parents and grandparents. So very well done. You are providing the World with very important, and very worthy material. Very honestly earned money. Sláinte.

[@mauijonny]

Just a note: As a narrator, I think it's important that your use of language needs to be correct. That said, it's CAVALRY, not CALVARY. Calvary is the hill Jesus was crucified on.

[@ambernichols8603]

😂my mother has always said, "The calvary are coming"...of course, she always made me "samwiches" too, so there you go...

[@FirePirate099]

This is correct

[@bonnielucas3244]

I read a Lewis and Clark book a few years ago. It was an excellent volume. I learned that Lewis and Clark did not like the Indians they encountered except for Mandans. They did what they had to, to negotiate at various times with several groups, but they did not want to remain involved with most of them.

[@fleadoggreen9062]

Wow, I’d like to read that

[@granmabern5283]

@@fleadoggreen9062 I just read the life of Father de Smet , missionary. Different regions had different cultures and different languages. Some of the tribes were still Stone Age brutes, such as the Snake tribe. Others had good morals and customs. And everything in between. If white traders got them hooked on whiskey, things degraded fast. The European settlers were welcomed at first, but then they gradually pushed out the Natives. It was a long tragedy but also a triumph for humanity in general. Here in Quebec most of the natives intermarried and integrated.

[@fleadoggreen9062]

@@granmabern5283 thanks, I always wondered why there wasn’t more info on the canadian tribes!!! I know about the eastern tribes a little, Huron Oneida Ottawa, but nothing of the plains and Rocky Mountains in Canada, I’ve seen photos once a long time ago, the natives were dirt poor, no men in sight, just women n children, never found that article again, it was a while ago Interesting! Thanks

[@thechiefwildhorse4651]

@@granmabern5283 Actually most Tribal Nations were too far advanced for the Europeans to understand. Indigenous were only recorded After disease and genocide was brought onto them -COMANCHE NATION

[@thechiefwildhorse4651]

@@fleadoggreen9062 It's because the propaganda written about Indigenous People is based on hatred for Indigenous People -COMANCHE NATION

[@markpalmer6760]

Enjoy your narrations

[@veronicawood9134]

Great paintings.

[@robertvose7310]

cool story...Thanks

[@ericsmith8996]

This is a captivating story I hope there are more I love to learn about the rugged times and affairs white people of that Time and earlier had to endure in this new world ,it must have been very surprising to some to see how the natives people from from one end of this new continent to the other were so adapted to such a harsh existence as to be healthy , Strong,creative, versatile, and brave in such primitive conditions It is nice to hear comments made in these old stories about that part of the native Americans because so much has been written about there savage ways it is often forgotten how white people were first greeted upon the many first encounters arriving in this foreign land and many were welcoming and curious from what little I know, and as being a sad trait maybe in all humans ,we took well advantage of this genrosity and plotted to plunder for our benefit I realize the natives had there own animosities with other tribes from before recorded history and fought between each other at times barbarically but I believe the in fighting seen in much later years that is the most reported on mid 1700s - early 1900s most of this waring amouge tribes was by white man's design of divide and conquers technic but I feel the first to arrive at different parts of this new land may have acted out in evil ways that word of spread quickly even to enemy neighbors all along the coast of the entire continent news could travel fast back then also if they had known what was to come and what would happen to there people and land early on that may have had a chance to beat the newcomers back for a little longer by 1000s of tribes banding together as guardians of the shores but that's just stories of speculation but I believe we set a president from time we arrived of mistrust and it spread into a mess , there seem to be many that were able to see the native as an amazingly resilient human being what ever color they may have been and I would like to hear more stories from around first contact time of written about that aspect of natives ...I am sorry to go on and on my first time here I listen to the story you read you have good voice for these story's I will check back to hear more I love these I pick up Beat up books in thrift stores about any native stories when ever in see them though I have read a lot of them are pure fiction told as truth that was very popular in the 1800s I don't yet know which is which so wi come to hear more stories thank you

[@nicholas3354]

LOL. Unworthy because it's actual history. I'll subscribe for that.

[@jamesalanstephensmith7930]

Very interesting

[@krzysztofciuba271]

It is proof that savagery@deceit (white and non-white) cannot be explained just naturally (not only at that time and territory).What a brave@brilliant woman

[@wojapi7538]

LOL u believe this bullshit?😂

[@jessicahay9305]

I took it the exact opposite way.

[@carolynkingsley4421]

I'm in the process of reading this book. I'm nearing the end now. Pretty interesting. I don't know how the woman survived, but she did.

[@edhill8341]

Extremely interesting.

[@thomasbrown5366]

I accidentally found this and love it

[@NightmareSounds]

According to several books, Fanny did not live with the aged Ottawa. Despite her claim that "I had never suffered from any of [the Oglallas] the slightest personal or unchaste insult",[2] by other accounts, she was sold to a Hunkpapa Sioux named Brings Plenty to be his wife.[7][8] So pleased was he with her docile demeanor, especially compared to Sioux women, that he named her "Real Woman", and it was only with great difficulty that Fanny was prised away from him by no less than Sitting Bull.[8] In this version of events, Fanny was returned safely to Fort Sully under Sitting Bull's protection.

[@Shineon83]

Yes (see my comments above)….In truth, there was hardly a female captive who wasn’t raped by her captors (at the same time, she knew that such knowledge would make her “soiled goods” in the eyes of fellow Whites after repatriation - especially considering the fact that her ravishers were considered “savages”)…. …Enormous pressure, both internally-and externally, by shamed family members-must have been brought to bear on these women never to divulge what “really” happened during their captivity….Such self-enforced silence (esp. considering their extreme trauma) must have been mentally almost unbearable….

[@kellharris2491]

​@@Shineon83 Like these women weren't sold into marriage and raped by their future husbands at the time anyway. Women were property back then. It may be a tough pill to swallow but maybe some of these women prefered a native to a white man? Native culture was much more equal between men and women. Many of these women were ravaged and abused sure. But what is consent at this time for a woman? There was no such thing as marital rape back in the day. For a lot of these women they were considered unique,exotic, and a prize. It was a status symbol to take one as their 'wife'. Some of these girls where practically worshiped by their 'husbands'. They even kept their property in marriage. Many of the women adapted. Especially if they were taken as children and they had time to adapt to the culture and language. For many of them they were treated the same as the rest of the tribe after awhile.

[@markhepworth]

@@Shineon83 👈Trump voter 🤡

[@barbarakauppi9915]

@@kellharris2491 Delusional poppycock, dear. It would behoove you to recognize the chasmic difference between fiction in novels and historical fact, as well as the inherent deceit of selective rhetoric, anecdotes, and/or data. Your willful bias betrays you.

[@Chris-dt5td]

​@Kell Harris I think you compare Western women with Muslim ones. In the West, women had far more rights than in other cultures. The more 'equal' Native culture is basically a stone age culture in which raw physical force prevailed.

[@bambii9620]

What a story!

[@Thecorgially]

I've ordered Fanny Kelly's book and am waiting for its arrival.

[@scotashton766]

Wow!

[@lynncarden]

I suggest reading about the Coble(Koble) Massacre at the hands of the Delaware in Pennsyvannia mid 1700's.

[@macmachine]

This is why I roll my eyes at the Left's lazy attitude that Al Red Indians were 'noble savages'.

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

Exactly.

[@marlajacques6947]

I’ve been immersed in this revised leftist history my whole life in small coastal communities in British Columbia on paper but what I’ve experienced/seen with First Nations and in my own family has been horrific…and colonialism didn’t NOT directly impact their actions

[@othernamesweretaken1871]

This channel dissolves the Nobel Savage theory

[@torbenzenth5615]

I enjoy listen to this channel a lot, greetings from Copenhagen 🇩🇰

[@unworthyhistory]

Good to hear!

[@fwdolphin]

I think the ritual of hanging the person is what was done in the movie a man called horse with Richard Harris

[@rockymntdan1]

What always stands out to me is how articulate the writings were then. Media lies that people in that age were ignorant and stupid. We are ignorant and stupid now compared to them. example: "build back better", seriously? REBUILD duh.... and the use of the words got, gotten, back, etc..... We all sound like Forest Gump now.

[@CFITOMAHAWK]

Demoncrats..

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

@@CFITOMAHAWK Demoncrat = Commie

[@waltermorris5786]

She spoke at the level of a well educated woman...eloguent.

[@marisamartin3664]

People were more educated in a few years of school back then, than many college educated people now. There knew how to THINK and observe, also had morals and ethics.

[@danasekely3797]

This was an amazing story thankyou for sharing. Its crazy because even back then we were divided based on our skin. Its kind of scary. Our history is very similar to our today.

[@MissHeird]

The book "A Fate Worse Than Death" is an excellent read, highly recommended.

[@ludwigderzanker9767]

Hi Daryl,your'e doin still good! It's interesting how the tribes were handling their mystery men! The Comanche were often afraid of them and give a sh't about older men. The Lakota at the fort were the Laramie dawdlers ,Brulè under Spotted Tail. Thank you for history. Ludwig

[@ludwigderzanker9767]

@@thechiefwildhorse4651 four

[@tribequest9]

I find it interesting that the chief did not take the squaws word over Fannys

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

He would not have valued any woman's word. Also the squaw girl would be a young child and just trying out how to be a vicious gossip.

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

Because the squaw didn't stand her ground.

[@HalkerVeil]

I think channels like this shine a light on selective history.

[@blucheer8743]

Teen girls and mean girls are same the world over!!

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

First I thought Black Bear was great dude for raising the girl despite her not being his own... Until he married her.

[@mitzibutler6415]

🙏🏻

[@lulurosenkrantz3720]

She wrote very well .

[@caelachyt]

Most people in those days wrote far better than today. Read some Civil War diaries and see the sheer eloquence from the average writer.

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

There were many, many situations of captivity. Some resolved in a better way than others. Many were horrid and brutal tortures and grisly murders, gang rapes, and infanticide for effect or just because a baby cried too much. Cherry-picking one case or another can lead to distorted views of the conditions and reality of the time. The award-winning Westen Historian Gregory Michno produced an encyclopedia of captive narratives that stick to facts and historical reports. "A Fate Worse than Death," is a good historical source that no one interested in the history of the Old West and the Indian Wars should have as part of their library and knowledge source.

[@firebyrd437]

I have heard accounts where white women were treated with kindness and were happy, so much so that they didn't want to go back. The times were very different, and since the colonists were cruel just as much as the perceived cruelty of the natives it's ironic to say the least, that they thought they were better than the natives. The natives lost their way of living and were penned into reservations and thrown off if the white man needed them, such as when gold was discovered. The natives don't celebrate thanksgiving, it's just a day for them to be filled with sorrow at the loss they had in they endure in their own native land

[@thejohnbeck]

Don't you mean "anyone interested" instead of "no one interested"?

[@kellharris2491]

And how did the Natives get treated when they were captured? Oh wait....lets just ignore that.

[@spiralrose]

Thanksgiving aside…. Native folks didn’t HAVE to slaughter women and children or cook men alive. White folk have a racist belief that Natives were wholey peaceful and only tortured settlers for retaliation. It’s racist against natives because it takes away their humanity and autonomy. Yes, some women and children didn’t get tortured or raped and some lived happy lives with their adoptive families that they wouldn’t have had otherwise. That doesn’t negate the facts. Natives were just as violent against other tribes as they were towards settlers, especially in their practice of owning slaves. Stop treating all tribes and cultures as if they were no more than reactionary children and let them own their history… all of it.

[@spiralrose]

No, Kell… let’s just have that conversation where it’s appropriate. The captured natives were treated like they treated captured settlers and captives of neighboring tribes…. …they were sold into slavery, ransomed, and often shot or hanged.

[@arydant]

Good storyteller. While I am intellectually stimulated by the material, at the same time I imagine i am sitting up and listening in my playpen.

[@josephboyce4522]

I like his narration style.

[@christianpaje9445]

Yes, the nature of history is something child like. It's a comprehension.

[@steadyeddie7]

I've always been very fond of fanny

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

Fanny is the diminutive for Francine.

[@loganus9114]

She was a very intelligent

[@sandiscales1963]

I actually painted that picture of the Native American tied from his chest to a pole. It is a ritual of passage.

[@user-pz7og8ik1t]

This woman was treated NO WORSE by the Natives, than captive Native women were treated by whites. I also wonder if her story is 100% truthful. We also need to remember that we have NO stories from Indigenous women to tell how THEY were treated by WHITES when taken captive. I'm white, and fully believe that whites were, AND ARE, PREJUDICE against ALL INDIGENOUS people across the country (I've witnessed it first hand in ND). In fact, compared to the treatment of Indigenous people by whites, BOTH THEN AND NOW, blacks have NOTHING to complain about, but you don't hear Native Americans whining, screaming, and protesting about it. This world could learn a TREMENDOUS amount about how to treat each other, and simply how to live as one with nature instead of destroying it, if we just took the time to listen to the Natives. May The Creator Bless each one of them.

[@2WOLFS]

Sun dance is for many reasons and it not as likely but women can also be approved to be in the sun dance. But woman are not tied in the chest but the upper part of the arms just below the shoulders. Yes, it is still done on rez and for each of the people who take part in the sun dance it must be approved for the reasons they wish to do this. And yes i know women who have been allowed to do the sun dance and proudly except the scars on their upper arms. It is a spiritual experience

[@KalonOrdona2]

gross

[@twintailsanimations4973]

Women are also pierced in the back.

[@2WOLFS]

@@twintailsanimations4973 yes they are, but most choice the upper arms.

[@2WOLFS]

@@KalonOrdona2 well it's not for everyone,because you have to control your breathing and mind centered on the reason you are doing it. That way you don't notice the pain. You do it as a higher level of spiritual growth and personal reasons. It's given of yourself.

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

You can obtain spiritual growth without bloodletting and physical abuse. It's actually better to train the mind without artificial intervention because it creates discipline and mental control. It also teaches one to have heightened awareness using their own personal abilities with no other intervention. This is what the Tibetan Monks learned through centuries of practice.

[@anotheryoutubechannel4809]

i have some great rare books on the California gold rush and the American West from the 1850’s thru the early 1900s. It might be fun to read them i chapters and have someone put good images / brill on top of the audio.

[@laidman2007]

Who did the paintings?

[@nicholas3354]

Haha. When she says "as a joke", I imagine the way she said it was rather humorous, and really just made the point that the native girl was making things up, and based on the "grim smile" that the chief responded with, it seems like she got the point across rather clearly. That's funny. Maybe it's gonna get less funny as I listen on.

[@The-Ward]

We will always have people who vehemently disagree with accounts of history. That doesn't mean either view is fully correct. It may be that through their own perceptions taint their view of the accounts of narratives. Read all the accounts and make up your own mind.

[@mysikind8076]

You're correct. A person has to do a lot of reading and other research and then decide what to believe. Even then you won't have all the information. One or two books won't tell much. It takes years of continuous research to come to a fair understanding of what happened. Everytime I think I know enough, something pops up from old journals or others research. History isn't really pretty is it? It's ugly and cruel. Perception and reality are always different.

[@masterchieflouie-ko7wo]

the ceremonies are depicted on the giant murals on the walls of the municipal auditorium in Mobridge, SD. they were painted by an American Indian. Some of the ceremonies were outlawed eventually.

[@outdoorloser4340]

Sounds like a bad time.

[@Mprator]

She was almost certainly raped and didn't want to talk about it.

[@AboveAvgMan]

Agreed. Doubt if she put up much resistance either. She had enough sense to know that describing her time with good looking , .muscular, fierce , young Indian men wouldn't go over to well with conservative white men. So she only talks about meeting old dilapidated Indian men or the lazy, but cunning non virile types.

[@chubsteriffic]

I have been reading on this subject. The tribes of this continent did not keep “captives.” They kept “slaves” …which they bought and sold.

[@ITSONLYMEWATCHING]

Why don't you do a series on the Loyal Mdewakanton?? My great great grandmother was Lucy Otherday and her and the Otherday's were instrumental in protecting the settlers during the Dakota War of 1862.

[@lynncarden]

From family search I believe the Oneida Indians probably mostly peaceful and friendly towards the Mennonite and warned them about the Delaware Tribe near them ...even though The immigrants bought land to farm and build on. .and shared with the indians...many still were massacred..By the way...my kids have Indian ancestry on both sides of my family and late husband same...one of his grandfathers I believe was possibly full blood ( but how much in for sure don't know.

[@wisconsinfarmer4742]

It appears Larimer did steal from Kelly. There is no way Larimer could have witnessed the events reported by Kelly.

[@judithcampbell1705]

Thank you 💛 for your excellent work. My father was born in 1891. He died in 1993. Healthy all his life and the things he did places he traveled to was a gift to me. He lived for over a century. I miss him. If this is about 2 tribes warring I can understand why. If it were up to me, I'd give the Indians back the whole country. Yes, the entire country we are all living in, is stolen land from the Indians. I'd give it all back because they will know how to heal the environment and govern our country in capable hands. 😊

[@eneeland]

What utter nonsense.

[@PRH123]

Something about this text suggests that Fanny's text was heavily edited... or she knew what people wanted to hear....

[@ronnieingle1447]

When I was a kid I overheard my grandpa and a relative of his talk about how the Indian kids would lie calling themselves Mexicans since they were ashamed of being Indians.

[@Jason-hg1pc]

When I was a kid I overheard my friends that shaved their heads talk about how they "conquered" the West, until they realized they'd only heard about the Indian Removal Act and the minority of "hostile" Natives used as an excuse to gloss over the attempt at genocide by the same generations of immigrants that bought slaves and forced them to breed for profit, then knelt down in prayer on Sunday saying it was God's will.

[@CFITOMAHAWK]

I think now is not that bad. Or..

[@francesdonnelly1146]

@@CFITOMAHAWK I don't think the native children were ashamed of natives they would be scared in case they were attacked after all they were only children

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

@@francesdonnelly1146 No they weren't scared. They were ashamed. I live in Oklahoma and am part Choctaw and Cherokee. We have an oral tradition. It was shame because we knew what really happened. Now the left tells lies to erase our sins while making white people out to be the bad guys. Except we're all part white so we don't buy it.

[@Ericat257]

God they were both awful to each other. Evil begets more evil. 😢

[@thomastanner336]

My father was almost 100% lakota, yellow hand. And he was absolutely ashamed of his people. He slways said if hypocrisy and whining had a name, it would be called the american indian. Followed by , we not very good at being the victum, but we're really good at playing one. My grandmother wouldn't even come out to meet us. But that's ok. My dad became a Dr. And he was much loved and respected everywhere he went.

[@caelachyt]

Your dad sounds like a great man. Today, anti-whiteism is the fashion, but the Indians were often brutal beyond description. Good and bad in all people.

[@dougdownunder5622]

Wow.

[@hannajean8204]

Yeah, okay, Thomas Tanner. Sure you're father was almost 100% Lakota

[@cornishmaid9138]

Yeah sure, Native American Indians had nothing to whine about. Nor were they ever treated badly in any way or form. Pfft….THE REALITY IS QUITE THE CONTRARY. Your comment is akin to saying the Jews were whining about nothing, and that they love playing the victim. I doubt you are of native blood at all.

[@dcjway]

@@hannajean8204troll.

[@itkapatanka]

Thanks for the upload but perhaps you could do more research next time and show Sioux/Lakota images? there are plenty out there.

[@kevinerose]

It is better to spread True History than Fantasy History. If we know True history, we can understand and move forward. If we only know fantasy history, we will never know truth or understand each other as different peoples.

[@JTheTeach]

did anyone ever think to verify her stories? A lot of this sounds like she wrote what her audience would want to hear.

[@blank557]

Her experiences coincide with other accounts. There is no possibility of collusion between others captured by indians. So yes, for the most part, Indians were temperamental, chauvinistic, cruel, and employed torture as a means of entertainment. They warred with other tribes, murdered women and children, whether they were white or Indian, and enslave others. Some tribes were peaceful, but the Plains Indians, like the Blackfeet, Lakotas, Sioux, Pawnee, and others were terribly cruel.

[@ec9833]

@@blank557 sounds like a country not to invade, do worse to and then complain about.

[@JTheTeach]

@@blank557 I think that overlooks that they all had the same audience they were trying to appeal to and were all aware of these other stories and general opinion of Natives at the time. No need for collusion when everyone's on the same page.

[@blank557]

@@JTheTeach The burden of proof is for you to show the survivors were "appealing" to the public's stereotype perceptions. Many of these accounts span over a century by survivors living in different parts of the country. Also, would you apply that same theory to Jews or Blacks accounts their mistreatment? Why can't you accept their accounts at face value? You really need to study the life and history of native Americans. They by and large were a warrior culture that thrived on killing, torture, stealing, and enslaving each other long before the Europeans arrived. That they were conquered and lied to unjustly doesn't remove that hard truth.

[@rns7426]

@@blank557 well put. Humanity is humanity, regardless of the flavor.

[@milascave2]

They still do those sun dances.

[@mickymike6865]

Ijust finished reading held captive by indiens ,selected narratives such a quik read.ihighly recommend

[@gentrynewsom2080]

Her and the Chief had an afair she couldn't reveal so she talked a great story.

[@customsongmaker]

Maybe she revoked her consent afterwards

[@rapier1954]

I doubt there was any consent on her part because if she disobeyed she could be killed.

[@AboveAvgMan]

That chief wore that young girl out !

[@surfdocer103]

Most girls and women were not treated so well.

[@diankreczmer6595]

I do have Cherokee ancestors but do appreciate hearing these stories regarding white settlers😮

[@AdaraDevitt]

Are there any accounts of her captivity held by another witness? Because I'm listening to contradictory claims seperate by only 1 period.

[@donniedotzler7387]

Total fiction aka Bull Shiout! She did not know their language nor they hers. No doubt the book made the best selling list, in it's day.