"Skeleton Crew" and its problems | Are YouTubers to blame for the state of Star Wars Fandom?

[@jasonreynolds6643]

Disney has lost the benefit of the doubt at this point.

[@captainlinebacker8894]

Exactly. Disney is a soulless mega corporation. They’re not entitled to our loyalty, and especially not to our money. It’s not the fans job to consume everything with a Star Wars label attached unquestionably. It’s Disney’s job to prove their shows are worth watching in the first place.

[@Chris_Thorndyke]

Disney is officially bad

[@storyseeker6028]

They lost that on TLJ for me, my older sister was wiser. She saw through it in TFA.

[@Talleyhoooo]

It’s fun to watch fans lose their franchise, all of the whining and complaining go you here.

[@Ihavethetouch]

But I thought that people disliking Disney Star Wars were a minority? If so, how can KZbinrs be such a threat to a multi-billion dollar company?

[@saberiandream316]

That's what Disney fans claim, at least, lol. But they don't live in reality.

[@superomegaprimemk2]

That is why they are failing !!​@saberiandream316

[@nadtz]

Been through this same playbook when comics went 'woke', first they blame it on a 'small but vocal' minority then fans more generally (while calling them whatever ist or phobe) when they start losing money. Can't ever admit the content they are putting out is crap and that the people they are making this stuff for don't consume their media.

[@Krystalmyth]

@@saberiandream316 Well they've tied their virtue to liking the brand. If everyone who doesn't like these shows are racists, or sexists... their egos literally cannot allow them to NOT like it. Because if even a semblance of "I don't... think this is very good..." enters their psyche, it gets rebutted immediately by the "No, but I'm not like THOSE PEOPLE..." That's why Disney has weaponized division. It's a form of compartmentalizing, people as "others" and radicalizes them.

[@Blisterdude123]

Just make something good and people will watch it, it won't matter a damn what a bunch of KZbinrs say. Just make something good, that's all.

[@Ptaaruonn]

Pippin : Is there any hope? Gandalf: There never was much hope. Just a fool's hope.

[@han__cholo]

Fool of a took!

[@muskatDR]

Gandalf after watching recent star wars: Nah, shits fucked

[@egonne2316]

gandalf the wise... gandalf the fool.

[@dantooine4279]

This could also be applied to KK!! (they did eventually destroy the dark lord!)

[@alienclay2]

What! The idea of Disney spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a Star Wars project without starting out with a strong plan? No way! It's not like something like that has happened...... before...........

[@Ihavethetouch]

And it went so well last time!

[@saberiandream316]

For an absolutely miniscule portion of the fanbase, mind you. High Republic sells very little books, only between 10 to 20,000, and the subreddit has 17K active users. That is TINY, EU fans outnumber them, and yet High Republic fans get a streaming show worth $180,000,000 while EU fans still only get token reprints. You can't make this shit up!

[@superomegaprimemk2]

(Coughs) Sequel trilogy !!

[@Krystalmyth]

Honestly often enough I think it's because they DID have a strong plan but had to alter it to water it down or add something. Like with Rogue One, which Gareth Edwards had a much darker more interesting vision of. Or even with Rise of Skywalker, which had a much better script before the rewrite.

[@CantankerousDave]

@@IhavethetouchThat’s why they have to so the exact same thing again. It’s SURE to work this time! /s

[@solarbear7229]

Just because KZbinrrs call it out. Doesn't mean it's their fault.

[@theogking8309]

If I went off of just clips alone of the acolyte without anyone else's opinion laid over it, I'd still say the show isn't good.

[@acesw6124]

@@theogking8309 I compared the Acolyte trailer to the High Republic launch trailer (technically its still the same period and I dont know why Disney keeps ignoring and separating books from tv series and movies or uses books and comics to cover up for mistakes made in TV shows and movies its a complete waste. The Acolyte trailer first half could have been like the High Republic launch trailer drawn as art with a slight camera movement and narrated and then halfway through show the scene between the planet asteroid ring and switch to the live action style and make it switch to a character POV....

[@theogking8309]

@acesw6124 I agree. And as for the second half of your statement, that would've made the Acolyte feel like Star Wars. The original 6 films would build us up with excitement, then proceed to deliver and leave us wanting more.

[@Decoto87]

I agree. But they wouldn’t call it out if they weren’t getting paid.

[@storyseeker6028]

@@Decoto87 , "They wouldn't call it out if they weren't getting paid." WTF is that? Dude, a lot of people made their channels in response to Disney making this slop; they came at this because they wanted to vent. Now, yes, currently, a lot of them say they wouldn't be watching this stuff if they weren't being paid, but that's only a further damnation because they have to get money to even work up the will to watch one of these shows. And judging from the Neilson ratings, the people who aren't getting paid are leaving on their own. And BTW, mainstream Journalists have admitted to playing ball to support these shows, so how does that make them any better? Finally, I ain't getting any money from saying F*** Disney, yet I'm still calling them out. I'm just some dude who's sitting at a computer, typing out thoughts on the internet. Did I miss some paycheck from I job I don't have or something?

[@YodaSmokes]

I’ve moved on from Disney Star Wars all together. I remember watching the force awakens trailer for the first time, so much excitement and joy. Now, just nothing. I don’t care even a little bit anymore, just praying for the day someone can come along and make Star Wars great again.

[@cozyaboutbooks]

I went to Supernaturals. I never watched it so it is plenty to watch for me.

[@acesw6124]

["I’ve moved on from Disney Star Wars all together. I remember watching the force awakens trailer for the first time, so much excitement and joy."] Same here and completly agree, I was hyped for TFA the first trailer looked promising and I remember thinking of a different story than what we got as a product.

[@saberiandream316]

I left with the original EU ten years ago.

[@rawnchydeard4669]

Star Wars will never be good again. It just won’t. Let it go.

[@Decoto87]

All due respect but what do you get out of watching KZbinr’s covering the new stuff if you’re done with it?

[@jaredlocke4300]

I have no interest in Skeleton Crew at all, and I have zero faith it will be any good. Acolyte was the last straw.

[@Trevor_Schindler]

Well said friend, well said...

[@JPShadow47]

They said online that The Acolyte's story was so bad they had to make retcons to make the comics for it

[@jaredlocke4300]

@@JPShadow47 oof. Almost curious to know what those changes are. But ain't putting money down to find out

[@Ihavethetouch]

​@@jaredlocke4300Most Disney products have required at least one book that tried to fix all the plot holes

[@jaredlocke4300]

@@Ihavethetouch dude, facts. I actually cracked open Rise of the Resistance (it was a gift). It was such an obvious mop up attempt. Couldn't finish it.

[@khal7702]

which person said state of star wars is KZbinrs fault!? It's Disney's fault: no direction, disregard to lore n what came before, DEI bs, hiring people that aren't competent at the job...much much more

[@Ihavethetouch]

In any other job the people behind Sequel Trilogy and Acolyte would have been fired and get a black mark to their resume. But this is Hollywood.

[@alternative915]

If the product failed, you get complains, if the product is successful, you get praise, you get both? you get both, it's that simple... it's like that falling down bicycle meme all over again..

[@Deuteromis]

@@alternative915 Yeah but now it's the new trend to blame the fans instead of owning up to your screw-ups.

[@Decoto87]

I totally agree with you but KZbinrs do add fuel to the fire. Like a video about “10 facts about George Lucas’ Star Wars” won’t do as good as a video about how bad the Acolyte is. It’s disappointing that what some fans what now.

[@Ihavethetouch]

​@@Decoto87But which one happened first, bad Star Wars or negative KZbinrs?

[@gorgonbert]

Yeay! Another StarWars series where the Protagonist needs to look after a kid… just like Mandalorian and Obi Wan… imaginative 👍

[@futureprimitivepast3044]

It’s weird the TLJ/Acolyte fans can’t handle any criticism. I mean ANY.

[@Ihavethetouch]

Because they have staked their personal political ideologies into those works. If they admitted they were bad, it would mean they were wrong

[@Deuteromis]

There are fans who are just glad we are getting Star Wars content, but are lying to themselves that Disney can't make bad content.

[@Decoto87]

It goes both ways.

[@futureprimitivepast3044]

@@Deuteromis yep. I don’t know why. Acolyte is bad. It’s okay to admit that. We are never going to get good content if we don’t identify the bad.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

It’s because deep down they know it is trash.

[@monsieurcommissaire1628]

Ok, let's say you like, no, love a certain restaurant and have gone there since you were a kid, and have had wonderful food and good times there for years. Maybe you're even bringing your own kids there now, and they love it, too. Then, sadly, the original owners want to retire and so they sell it, trying their best to find new owners that will carry on the great tradition that so many love. The new owners seem enthusiastic and promise that they will keep it going and maintain the high standards that have kept people coming back for years. Your first visit under the new ownership goes ok, but you notice that some things have changed, but not so much that you find it unrecognisable. Then the next time you go, you find that the place has been revamped and the menu altered extensively. You don't want to give up on it, of course- it's been your favourite restaurant for years. So you bravely order and await your food. It arrives, and you get a sinking feeling that something isn't quite right. You take a bite though and...ugh! What the hell? It's disgusting. You look around the table, and your dining companions seem to be having the same reaction. You realise that your old standby has changed beyond recognition. You voice your concerns to the management, and they tell you that the problem is that you just don't appreciate fine cuisine, and that maybe this restaurant just isn't for you. You leave in disgust, and when you get home, you call people you know who also loved the place and tell them the bad news. You leave a scathing review on a popular forum. The restaurant loses business over time as more become disgusted at the changes. Now, is the decline in business your fault, or the fault of the ding-dongs who bought it and then proceeded to ruin it? Should long time customers just have choked down the substandard food and pretended it was good? The truth hurts sometimes, but lies don't fix anything. They only make matters worse. You, Thor, speak the truth without malice or any kind of agenda. I can tell that it's painful for you to have to say something Star Wars is bad or mediocre. Pretending everything is ok when it's not just isn't how you roll, and that's one of the things I and many others like so much about you. Keep it up, my good man.

[@davemac9563]

Think about it. Why was everyone not excited for The Rise Of Skywalker? Because the Last Jedi happened. And why are the very few people who stuck around even through Boba Fett and Kenobi no longer excited for what comes next? Because the Acolyte failed. When you consistently disappoint, the people who worked on it not only suffer, but so do the fans

[@acesw6124]

I did not watch TROS at all 1 because of TLJ and 2 because of all those trailers/teasers spoilers and leaks that should not happen to such a big company any other company would have pushed for severe consequences

[@BugRib]

Ahsoka started out okay, but its ending--particularly its depiction of Thrawn...and Sabine's sudden, Jedi-master-level powers--was amazingly inept. 😐 Would like to see Disney respect the intelligence and taste of SW fans a bit more. Absolutely loved Andor!

[@zetester98]

@Clems1 No kidding, I forgot that show existed.

[@irena4545]

@@BugRib I _really_ liked Sabine in Rebels. Learning how she was handled in Ahsoka, I refused to watch, even though I had been looking forwards to the show initially. It just didn't make sense. As for the Acolyte, it might have been a decent show, had they cut out the space witches and Amandla Stenberg :D

[@briscocreighton3376]

@@irena4545 They should have cast Tiya Sircar(charismatic, confident, funny) from Rebels to play Sabine, it's a no-brainer. They could have easily leaned on Sabine's strength's, she doesn't need the force to beat a a force user, demolitions(did she even blow anything up in Ahsoka?) , and her passionate drive. Great character, but, prototypically, the worst candidate for jedi training.

[@steveeaster6701]

Haven't watched the full video yet but do you remember the high we were all on at the end of season 2 Mando? When Star Wars puts out good shit, we all eat it up and promote the hell out of it. Star Wars puts out garbage and we let them know it stinks.

[@Decoto87]

Very true. But for a franchise that’s about right and wrong, good vs evil. Fans can go a little too far.

[@achaudhari101]

Problem is that you guys overreact and condemn even the things that are fine.

[@Ihavethetouch]

​@@achaudhari101Problem is people like you who don't have standards

[@daneg]

iunno. did you really think The Mandolorian was this great thing? I liked Rogue One and subsequently Andor. Mando was always kinda...silly and written/acted for morons/children. which i guess is ok. everything cannot be made for a 40-something. but it hurts my brain to listen to the dialog in the mandalorian. the action sequences are meh (most of the time). I like the spaghetti western aesthetic though. baby yoda was a huge negative, imo. obvious doll/macguffin that ended up overshadowing the series. I would say I enjoyed Rebels, Bad Batch, and Tales more than Mandalorian. iunno. they're not necessarily better (with respect to dialog), but I can take that level of plot/dialog better in animation. stupid shit like (RIP) Carl Weathers' character speaking like he has brain damage or Cara Dune punching a Mandolorian's armor with her naked fist is just so mindnumbingly dumb in live action.

[@achaudhari101]

@@Ihavethetouch What standards? You act like there is no middle ground let alone that no one has treated SW like LOTR Trilogy in God knows forever.

[@GeorgeChacon2112]

KZbinrs are not to blame at all! Bad WRITING PERIOD!

[@BugRib]

Not a lot of top-notch SW writing under Disney (save for Andor, and to a lesser extent Rogue One). But worse than 90% of every sci-fi/fantasy genre live-action thing out there? I don't think so. Pretty much on par. I get the criticism, but a lot of the hate is a bit unhinged, and not based on the _actual content,_ IMHO.

[@steve93pa]

@@BugRib that's where you're wrong. The hate is absolutely justified given how disney and their bootlickers try to gaslight people who don't blindly like everything they do, IMHO.

[@kingbooomer9231]

@@BugRibthe actual content we receive hinges on said writing, something Disney can afford compared to the other 90% of the genre. Disney absolutely deserves the criticism they receive because at this point it's commercial malpractice

[@saloz9483]

​@@BugRib with the stuff they have been putting out and how it hurts the legacy there is nothing unhinged about it. This is not a new IP. these people are screwing up something that may be older than they are and has a big fanbase.

[@FreebirthBoccara]

As if star wars was well written before Disney? Ffs.. y'all clutching at pearls because star wars remained status quo.

[@sofaking1627]

The majority of people, don't engage with Starwars reviews on youtube. Disney just has to blame anybody but themselves for putting out low quality content. Disney purposely antagonized a bunch of reactionary types and then claimed they didn't start it. Now they're still putting out garbage saying if you don't like it you're the problem.

[@achaudhari101]

Well those reactionary types are a threat to this franchise.

[@Takwygladapilaw]

​@@achaudhari101 If youtubers are a threat to Disney Star Wars, then Disney really messed up and you just confirmed it with this comment. Even you cannot deny it.

[@sofaking1627]

@@achaudhari101 Room temperature IQ take

[@Krystalmyth]

@@achaudhari101 Brother, if they make bad material and keep saying "If you don't like it don't watch it" then nobody watches it... who is at fault here?

[@mytwosense9135]

​@@achaudhari101If youtubers can threaten the most profitable franchise of all time then Disney is the most incompetent entertainment company in history.

[@DusanSostaric]

So, the people who thought that Acolyte is good think that Skeleton Crew is bad? It will be a masterpiece!

[@comentariopolitico1014]

Indeed! A masterpiece of Mary Sue Girl Boss that needs no man! Yaaasss, yaaassss!

[@GoreyBits]

KZbinrs are most definitely NOT the problem

[@TexasSlim13]

"I always root for Star Wars, I always want it to be good" seems to be sentiment that people that blindly love anything with the name Star Wars slapped on it can't understand. They seem to think any criticism of the product means you were out to hate it from the start. I wanted TLJ to be good, I want the shows on Disney+ to be good, and I even wanted the Star Wars hotel to be good. But the things Disney is making usually aren't good, so I listen to people like you, Thor, and other channels to see if the new show/series is worth watching before going to the theater or paying for Disney+. This isn't a new phenomenon, product reviews have been a thing for years.

[@astrolord4325]

So basically: Super 8: The star wars story. (For those who don't know, super 8 is movie where bunch of kids find something supernatural in their hometown)

[@mytwosense9135]

It's also a great movie.

[@cowlicker72]

@@mytwosense9135 thought it was average

[@AJRAR1979]

@@mytwosense9135 probably the only "original" movie JJ Abrams did... his Star trek is Star Wars in the Trek Universe... his star wars is a remake of the original trilogy with steroids (visual speaking...)

[@NeonSamurai72]

I've stopped watching Star Wars, and most franchised tbh. But Godzilla Minus 1, Top Gun: Maverick, Picard S3, Cobra Kai, Scavengers Reign and Squid Game are all things I've watched on the recommendations of reviewers I trust, and was not let down. If you recommend another Star Wars series or movie, I will watch it. Otherwise, I'm here to see how bad things get to my once-loved franchise.

[@achaudhari101]

I say that’s messed up and a form of brain damage to want SW to fail and not want it to be redeemed.

[@ct-1177]

So you will give the bad batch a shot?

[@NeonSamurai72]

@@ct-1177 I've watched some of the first season, but I'm not really into the animation style of BB or the Clone Wars. Maybe I'll go back to it.

[@3Overhaus]

The only SW stuff I watch now is KZbin channels that cover it.

[@howard7073]

There’s not an an awful amount of evidence that Disney will suddenly come to their senses and produce anything half decent (Andor aside)

[@acesw6124]

Andor is an interesting case; I was first deciding to not watch it but the positive reviews kept summing up so I waited for all episodes to be out and watched it in one go and I do not regret watching it although I still wish that Disney had first given us Andor then a show about the Organa family then the original script of Kenobi and then Rogue One as a crossover Avengers like product just set in Star Wars.

[@zetester98]

@@acesw6124 That would've been cool. They were going for some sort of Avengers thing with the Mandoverse but I think they overdid it. Part of the appeal of the first season of Mando was that it had more personal stakes. In an ideal world, we would've gotten a second season that simply continued Mando's story instead of introducing new players at any turn and then we would've gotten Andor to test the waters for a different kind of show.

[@BugRib]

@zetester98 - I love Mando, but it is straightforwardly lowbrow entertainment, full of character actions and motivations, and attack plans that make zero sense (would an advanced, interstellar Empire not think to install a few sensors/cameras in the f**king sewer/drainage system? Not once, but over and over and over? 😂). Horrible acting and line deliveries (sorry Gina Carano), etc. It's basically a 1950s, 3rd-tier comic book. I get some of the criticism of The Acolyte, but they could just as easily be made against the stuff fans like...even including Andor. I don't think the hate is really towards the show itself, but mostly the (supposed) politics behind it. And, no, I don't think the show is remotely "woke", unless simply depicting _implicitly_ non-hetro characters who aren't white equals f**king "woke". Yeah, the show isn't a masterpiece of cinema, but it's an interesting, entertaining show with acting and plot logic mostly better than anything we've ever gotten from The Mandalorian. Why is it so hard for so many to look past the _behind-the-scenes_ politics and just judge the show on its own merits?

[@mazkeraid4039]

​@BugRib And you forget that it was supposed to be made at the end of The High Republic Era, but even that fell apart because of inconsistencies in regards to character motivation and elements.

[@zetester98]

@@BugRib As you said, people generally liked Andor. You don't really hear many complaining about it being woke, and it's by far the "wokest" think to come out of Star Wars. It's 12 episodes of anti-fascist propaganda, with a lesbian couple and loads of non-white characters. People loved it anyway because it was well-made. Don't let a few bad apples fool you into thinking all criticism directed to Disney Star Wars is devoid of substance. I personally didn't find the Acolyte to be as bad as Kenobi or Boba Fett, and there was certainly a sentiment of bias against it in the fandom (undestandably, considering the amount of oxshit we've been served so far). You could especially notice it in things like the fire in space scene, that was made out to be a big deal when the exact same thing happened in Phantom Menace and not even RLM pointed it out in their all-out war on the movie. However, a lot of criticism against the Acolyte is very much valid. My personal grudge with it is how inconsistent the characters were. I agree that Mando has a lot of issues too, though.

[@nadtz]

I checked out of Disney SW after TLJ. I have some friends who stuck with it, at least 2 of them gave up after The Acolyte and a couple others who were looking forward to Outlaws were extremely disappointed with the gameplay reveal. KZbinrs didn't do any of that, Lucasfilms did. It seems like the recurring problem with Disney Star Wars has been not having a plan, combine that with the whole "The Force is Female" thing and well here we are. If anything all the criticism from KZbinrs has kept me better entertained than Lucasfilms has, if the whole 'Fandom Menace' were a 'small' part of the fandom like we kept hearing it shouldn't be a problem. The fact that now MSM is attacking some of these KZbinrs is all you need to know, if they didn't see it as damaging they wouldn't be attacking them.

[@crossfire34]

Yikes, I keep forgetting Skeleton Crew is a thing. This show won't even reach a Book of Boba, Kenobi, or Acolyte reaction. It's just going to die with a whimper.

[@neodigremo]

This video is literally the first I have heard of it.

[@BugRib]

And your evidence for this, given Disney+'s 50/50 or so track record is...what, exactly?

[@crossfire34]

@@BugRib The fact they aren't promoting it at all? Do you think people will tune in for a show they never heard of?

[@CantankerousDave]

It sounds like a SW version of kid sci-fi shows like Space Cases or Hypernauts. Or Jason of Star Command or Space Academy if you’re my age.

[@BittermanAndy]

@@BugRib Disney's 50/50 track record? 🤣🤣🤣 Success: Andor, Mando S1 and S2. Failure: literally everything else. Not quite 50/50. 🤣🤣

[@gryce9077]

Every cent Disney has made from Star Wars came from the fan’s good will. They had a free pass for years.

[@cszodiac]

Hey Thor, Longtime follower here. 15:22 I’m one of your followers who only gave Andor a chance because of your recommendations. I’m grateful that I listened because it ended up being really good. I also wanted to thank you for being so level headed and fair in your assessments of Star Wars. I come to this channel for that exact reason. I fully trust that when something Star Wars is good, you’ll call it good and if it’s bad, you’ll call it bad.

[@Star4wars1]

I honestly forgot about skeleton crew i only remember it now is because of u and my lego guy reviewing the ship for skeleton crew thats going to come out.

[@The_Map_Room]

There was a rumour I read the other day that Disney/Lucasfilm were unhappy with Skeleton Crew because it wasn’t the kind of content they were looking for. They loved the Acolyte and thought this one was more of that old Lucas Star Wars they wanted to get away from. Wouldn’t it be nice if it indeed turned out Skeleton Crew really was just a fun, Star Wars series with an 80s vibe like Return of the Jedi? Also, Jude Law would make an awesome former or hiding Jedi. It would not suck for them to have other survivors in live action. To be clear, I have very little hope of this being the case, but it’s nice to imagine for a moment.

[@tobik2627]

After acolyte I canceled Disney plus. I’m gonna wait for the reviews this time.

[@StefSis]

Me too. I'm not supporting Disney. That way, hopefully, they will have to sell some of their franchises so keep going and we might get good movies from Hollywood again.

[@thephantomfanboy]

Me too.

[@kamotrof]

Fantastically said…especially that last half. Very rationally and respectfully put.

[@EagleLeader1]

OMG, I've been watching this channel for ages and never knew the reason it always starts with "Now"!

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Hey Thor, I've been wondering about droid sentience lately and why Star Wars rarely takes it seriously. I even think that people applauding clone sentience and individuality is a bit of a double standard when those same people dismiss droids as merely extensions of their creators. Even though Rex famously denies this, the fact is that clones are programmed to obey orders without question and are manufactured. Most clones only have limited independent thinking and a clone being able to live outside a military is incredibly rare. The only reason they develop individuality is because of experience. But the funny thing is, droids develop individuality for the same reason. The only difference is that droids regularly have their memories wiped specifically to prevent them from developing individuality and potentially rebelling. There's a moment in Heir to the Empire where Luke is asked why he has never wiped C-3PO's memories in all the years he's known him, and Luke reveals that he's uncomfortable with the idea of stripping his friend of individuality. And I don't know if you have played KOTOR 2 yet, but there's a mission where HK-47 argues with HK-50, who dismisses him as obsolete. But HK-47 argues that he is superior because he has developed individuality and has given himself a higher purpose and meaning because he has never had his mind wiped. These examples show that droid sentience should not be played for laughs so much in the franchise. In fact, I think the galaxy is overdue for a galaxy-wide droid revolution just to show people that sentient droids deserve equal treatment. This is actually addressed in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Measure of a Man" where Lt. Data's rights are debated because he's an android and I wish Star Wars had something similar. What do you think?

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

For most human cultures throughout almost all of human history slavery existed, and by and large everyone’s reaction was, “Yeah and?” If you had bad luck or were a criminal you could end up a slave. No one necessarily thought you weren’t a person by and large just because you were a slave they just didn’t care. In SW keeping your toaster from growing a soul is just a matter of regular maintenance, but even if it did most people wouldn’t care about it remaining in the same legal status of any other machine.

[@BugRib]

Awesome comment/question! Ever heard of the "Hard Problem of Consciousness", or the "Explanatory Gap" in the philosophy of mind? How could we ever know, scientifically, _even in principle,_ whether any other "thing" has conscious experience? How could one scientifically prove that your phone or computer, or even another organism's brain, has conscious experience? _Even in principle?_ There's literally no other scientific problem (other than maybe the reason for existence itself) that even approaches the mystery of conscious experience. Seriously, think about it!

[@shiptj01]

90s Star Wars was peak Star Wars. Fans who only watched the films were happy and the fans who wanted more stories were happy.

[@BittermanAndy]

As it should be!

[@FreebirthBoccara]

You weren't around in the 90s where you?

[@katoracle]

Having watched all the shows up to, and including Ahsoka, I'd say Star Wars is to blame for the state of Star Wars fandom.

[@superomegaprimemk2]

Disney's MO for when something goes horribly wrong is not to accept the blame and move on but lash out like a spoilt child and blame others for their own mistakes or find some kind of shield to defect from the bad writing and that is apart of the problem because they just double down on stupid!!

[@chronicguardian9684]

I'm actually willing to give Skeleton Crew a try. Wasn't with Acolyte, but that one was just soaked in Darkside from the jump. A well meaning but messy production is easier for me to stomach than a malicious or ideologically possessed one.

[@Kriszt007]

Recent Disney Star Wars shows have not been memorable. Legendary characters aren’t done justice. My interest has taken a nosedive since TLJ. It is more about personal projects instead of creating a good story and giving fans what they like. They would need to reset the Disney Star Wars to get me invested again, but that would be the same as admitting failure for the people at Disney. If this goes on, my guess is that there will be no new Star Wars in 10 years. Pissing off your oldschool fans isn’t a good way to make money, and would be surprised if new fans are spending like crazy on merc.

[@cbs1992]

“Now…” Thanks for explaining this. I love it!

[@GoronMerchant]

Other sides argument: “Don’t think, just buy” 😂

[@Robocrap]

Pretty much this. Or if you don't like it you're a ist or phobe..

[@GM-gb1eu]

Why just do not make something that seems interesting / was interesting in the past? Why are we getting some no-names, without any major event in the timeline, because of the action being too close of George's 6 movies? Why Disney can't hire someone that actually knows the job (outside Andor crew)? I didn't want to think this way, but I think there is no more hope for Disney Star Wars than removing 90% of Lucasfilm management, and 90% of Disney projects, and create the new timeline.

[@acesw6124]

Create a new timeline from Start to finish and not present a story and have the newest episodes be prequels to the first one.

[@superomegaprimemk2]

Disney leadership is an echo chamber !!

[@sparking023]

The reasons are twofold, if summarized. One: just like Thor said, Disney bought not only a franchise, but also all the fans that were attached to it. So the fans will want to see more of the universe they grew up with, ergo you can't really do away with what has been established. Two: the astonishing lack of creativity, competence, and care for this franchise is a major barrier against anything of quality, or anything truly Star Wars from coming out of Disney. I can't stress this enough, Katheleen Kennedy has to have a beef with George Lucas, because she spites the work with a passion that I haven't seen elsewhere. What she wants to do is ultimately transform the Star Wars universe made by George Lucas into her own universe, with her agenda and her own views. And because said view conflicts with the established story, she has to uproot what has been there before, or pave over it. That's why we see flagrant disrespect for the classic characters, that's they don't give a damn about breaking the lore, that's why they go the extra mile to blame you, the old school fan. Because you don't just love what they make. Their definition of a "fan" is a mindless drone who just consumes without questioning. And they need this because anyone with a minimum of critical thinking will notice something is off in their productions.

[@vinnydiaz6959]

Hey Thor, people saying Star Wars writing was always bad is true. Lucas’s DIALOGUE isn’t always the best but the characters, story, story structure, and themes run circles around the Disney slop.

[@CantankerousDave]

The dialogue in the OT was fine. It became laughably terrible during the PT, and that, unfortunately, is what everyone has decided to emulate.

[@BittermanAndy]

@@CantankerousDave you may not be aware of some of the lines that George wrote but didn't make it into the OT. Like this one, which Mark Hamill successfully begged George Lucas not to make him say: "But we can’t turn back, fear is their greatest defense, I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust and what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault." Google it to hear Hamill explain in an interview. And that's not the only one. The problems came in the PT, when people stopped telling George "no" (or maybe he stopped listening, I'm not sure). His dialogue was always bad.

[@BroadMeadow-d9s]

Is it the customers' fault if a restaurant makes bad food? I'd say "Maybe" if that is what the customers actually want. But if they don't...

[@RobertMalachowski]

Compelling argument. Include the fact that it used to serve the best food anywhere no question but now is under new management and serves a certain kind of poorly conceived, yes steaming yet not heated all the way through, reheated leftovers of what they found when they bought out the restaurant from the loving owners, garnished with the NUTS idea that it could possibly be the customers fault. And the building is on fire

[@limonsoda]

I, personally, don't think you are at all one of those toxic fans that get mad about anything that is different, or that is too similar or too woke or too *whatever triggers you*. I've seen lots of your videos and you are always very honest and polite. And even when i do believe a lot of people comment on shows and media only based on creator's opinions and not having even watched the show, i don't think is fair to put you in that same bag. To call bad writting when there's actually bad writting is just a show of professionalism as a reviewer. So props to you. Keep up the good work.

[@otakubullfrog1665]

I'm not sure that the writer's nostalgia for a world where you could easily avoid being tainted by anyone else's opinion of a new movie reflects a reality that never was. I remember that, even back in the eighties and nineties, every new movie would have a review in the newspaper on the day it came out. Even if you intentionally decided not to read it, you would often pick up the star rating just by accidentally glancing at it. Not only that, but if a movie was any sort of a big deal, the kids who saw it opening weekend would all talk about it in school on Monday, the box office numbers would be read on the evening TV news, etc. I feel like it's been normal to know what other people think about movies since long before KZbin existed.

[@sparking023]

reviews have always existed. Bro just never heard of a little option on YT called "Don't Recommend"

[@ericnorway77]

I can't remember anyone besides me in my school still being interested in Star Wars when the Thrawn trilogy came out.

[@SgtAJ218]

Hey Thor, I just want to say in response to the second comment you responded to, your opinion doesn't affect my decision to watch Star Wars shows and movies or not. I do enjoy watching your videos and getting an idea of what other people think about these shows or movies, but I ultimately decide if I want to watch them myself or not, because I think the only way to really judge if a show or movie is bad or good is to actually watch it. To be clear, I don't have anything against people who don't watch the show, especially if they are not interested or may not watch because of who's working on it. I just wanted to say that I mainly watch your videos for entertainment or to maybe learn something that I didn't know about Star Wars, not to decide whether to watch a show or not. Side note: I may not agree with you on everything, but I do respect your opinion, and I really love your content.

[@michaellane5381]

I agree from the opposite camp... I didn't stop watching shows because of youtubers, I stopped watching because continuing to watch without being selective seemed to reward my viewership complaints like an abused spouse. If I don't like what I am consuming I do no-one any favors if Disney isn't changing due to input. They are spending billions on market research and getting flooded with data and making poor decisions anyways. I don't listen to Thor's "opinion" to decide on whether to watch I listen to strictly the facts of what content looked like to the KZbinr, then I decide if anything in that description was worth watching. For example a really stupid fun movie released a long time ago: "...a man punches a hole in a cow..." I see things like this and I ask myself "is there any way this could be funny/good/interesting?" If the answer is "yes" I will give it a watch regardless of reviewer opinions, then stop watching if their opinions are all validated where I disagreed looking at given facts if they disliked it. In other words, I don't look at these reviewers for opinions on if I should watch, I look at them for REASONS to watch... If Disney can't provide those in advertising, or to the KZbinr's who I can see WAS a fan of the original works, that's on Disney for making inferior products the market doesn't want, because again they spend millions to billions on market research. I am not unreasonable as a fan either, I would love nothing more than to see a show about a star Wars diner in a galaxy far far away, making cheap grub and supplying space truckers/tourists, intersecting with the occasional high stakes narrative or cameo from more action oriented series, but Disney has to make the effort and show creative courage and IP loyalty for their consumer to make stuff like that.

[@SgtAJ218]

@@michaellane5381 Well said.

[@fusionwing4208]

I watch youtubers to get an idea of what the show is about, if i am interested enough, whether the show is good or bad, i watch it (via pirate sites first, i dont want to subscribe to a streaming site to watch something unless i know for sure itll offer up some damn good content) or at least watch parts of it. For the acolyte only watched two episodes, i already got the overall plot synopsis up to episode 6, so i watched episode 4 cause i wanted to see the jedi fight smylo, that battle felt way to damn flashy and poorly choreographed to me, then i watched the final episode with a friend when that released. I pretty much knew exactly how the story would end, and from the plot synopsis alone i could tell i wouldnt be able to watch the whole thing through honestly.

[@seancrowley3142]

I have little interest in Skeleton Crew. However, to be fair, I also had zero interest in Andor but I did give it a chance and it turned out to be outstanding. So, I’ll probably watch the first few episodes of Skeleton Crew and take it from there…

[@jibril2473]

The Acolyte delivered a fatal blow to the Disney-Lucasfilm franchise. I’m just happy the EU is still with us.

[@GrechStudios]

Thor, you never fail to be a rational well spoken voice above all the noise. Thank you sir.

[@Mgauge]

It's been over a decade and Disney still seems determined to never have a coherent plan for this expensive franchise. I understand corporate suits not caring about creative visions, but this is shockingly bad project management.

[@mattheweppley]

Great video, Thor! I'm not optimistic about the show if they don't even know what it's about. One may *NOT* make a multi-million dollar show willy-nilly without a clear plan. These people are so inept!

[@Aetoski]

I have loved Star Wars since before I was 5, so about 30 years now. I don't know that I'll ever be done. It means so much to me. But honestly, not a single product Disney Star Wars has done has actually been what I wanted as a fan, aside from some of the animation and that's legacy GL stuff. Sequels were just plain bad, Mando is knockoff Boba, Boba was a joke, Kenobi insulted our intelligence, Andor hinged on an advanced space faring society using human labor on top secret projects, Ahsoka made Thrawn a shadow of his former self, and Acolyte had the power of many bad decisions all working in unison.... I think its time to take a break.

[@acesw6124]

Around 2014 I read the Thrawn trilogy from Timothy Zahn and in Ahsoka and Rebels I kept comparing the Thrawn from Legends to Disney Thrawn who is a shadow totally agree. Andor could have worked better if Andor was a movie first released before Rogue One then the original Kenobi script as a second movie and a third movie about Luthen and Organa/Alderaan and then as a finale Rogue One as a mini Avengers style movie.

[@achaudhari101]

@Aeotski Some of your complaints either make no sense or are nitpicks? Like your rant on Andor is weird.

[@Aetoski]

@@achaudhari101 yeah... either that or you just disagree....

[@steve93pa]

@@achaudhari101 it's not, though. The whole premise of Andor is based on rebellion and systemic evil.

[@achaudhari101]

@@steve93pa Okay and?

[@biostemm]

They should have made it kind of like star tours - a group of people witnessing iconic events from the periphery - they don't have any major impact on events, but maybe save a few survivors or take down the odd tie fighter ..

[@keegobricks9734]

@5:30 That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. No, genius, BAD WRITING is the biggest problem with star wars. People generally approve of the visuals, and the fight scenes. It's the dialogue, plot, and characters that are the problem- that and of course their desire to exclude certain demographics in favor of others.

[@NobleMCO]

To be fair, it really does make a difference. Because like you said, people’s perspectives may change after they hear what you have to say. For example, I watched rogue one when it was released and thought it was meh and did not pay much attention to detail and completely forgot about the plot. But when I saw your video praising rogue one, solo, and Andor, I thought it might be a good idea to watch it again, and it was! After watching your video something in my mind clicked and I watched Rogue One with the perspective that it’s a really great movie and I ended up paying attention and liking it a lot more. Perhaps the downward spiral Star Wars has been in recently may have swayed that opinion, but I really believe that what you and other creators such as Star Wars theory can have an influence on what I think about certain aspects of Star Wars, it’s like having a second opinion. And same with the acolyte but reversed, I did enjoy the first 2 episodes but then I started digging and realized the writhing and plot have no place in the story! And I couldn’t enjoy it anymore, even though it looked really cool 😂

[@slicerneons3300]

I wish there was a chance it would be good. But it sounds like, at best, it will be better than the Acolyte. Which is the lowest of bars.

[@achaudhari101]

I have faith Watts can deliver on this project after Spiderman.

[@slicerneons3300]

@@achaudhari101 But I have faith KK can Botch this like everything else she does.

[@achaudhari101]

@@slicerneons3300 Maybe not with this because Favreau and Filoni are involved.

[@slicerneons3300]

@achaudhari101 That becomes a toss-up. Filoni has disapounted.me recently. Cares more about throwing Witches and Wolves into everything than making Star Wars feel authentic to itself. Favreau has done great but is clearly hampered by the rest of the company.

[@achaudhari101]

@@slicerneons3300 Well Filoni putting in those things shouldn’t be a problem for Star Wars. Ahsoka he can improve on as live action is still a new thing for him. I mean Clone Wars wasn’t praised in the beginning and people wanted that show to be cancelled and Filoni gone, but they learned and improved on it. He can do it with this show and even then I argue it was overhated. Favreau is still good and we can chalk up with Mando S3 as something he was rushed into doing but still serviceable at best and I do think his movie will be a good rentry for the movie side of SW.

[@lostsoldier212]

Good video Thor. I dont agree with the commenter but I admire that you gave this person a voice and can have some respectful dialog about it. This is probably one of the most even keeled channels on this topic, and this topic seems to mirror rl politics as opposed to just being escapism. I admire that you have done such a good job keeping this discussion positive and safe and respectful...I'm not 100% sure I'd have been cool with someone starting off with saying I was the problem. Good on you amigo.

[@RextheRebel]

We went from Star Wars a New Hope to having no hope in Star Wars.

[@mudman619]

my adult son (whom I raised on SW) takes the viewpoint that SW shows/movies he doesn't like or isn't interested in, are not only not-canon, but they don't exist at all. In this light, the Sequels don't exist, and the Acolyte as well. And he's quite happy & content in that. I wish I could make such an adjustment at my age, lol. Alas, I can't quite make that leap, but shows like the Acolyte have pushed me farther along that path & made it easier, LOL

[@zufalllx]

There is no mandoverse. There is only Star wars

[@saberiandream316]

It's Disney Star Wars.

[@andrewlim9345]

I felt burned by the Acolyte and the infighting within the fandom. What keeps me going is writing plot summaries on Wookieepedia for new Star Wars TV shows, films, novels, comics and other stories. I hope Skeleton Key turns out well but won't be too surprised if it has problems.

[@theartofpqh]

If that is the official poster for skeleton crew, then yeah this show is doomed. That looks like trash

[@jony_b774]

Has kathleen Kennedy written all over it

[@achaudhari101]

How? You two are saying stupid things for attention.

[@JohnLawrence-jn3bt]

This is one of the few star wars content based channels I watch, reason being I find Thor very balanced in his views aswell as objective and he's just easy to listen to.

[@RoxasTheUnknown1]

Imagine being branded a mindless sheep for not giving disney star wars another chance after being burned god knows how many times. I dont get these people that genuinely believe that theres no way it can be sonething so simple as disney is putting out garbage. Couldnt be that nope.

[@saberiandream316]

That's why they have to tear down all that came before, the six movies and the EU, in order to defend Disney Star Wars, because of how much better we _used_ to have it.

[@achaudhari101]

Imagine pretending to like a brand but wanting it dead.

[@Deuteromis]

@@achaudhari101 Imagine wanting good stories and movies to a brand, but the owners fail to deliver.

[@achaudhari101]

@@Deuteromis No one’s perfect yet you kinda expect perfection.

[@Deuteromis]

@@achaudhari101 Quote me where I said I wanted perfection. LOL

[@kenbrockfarm8656]

I feel like youtube has definitely made it easier to find opinions about shows and movies, but I for certain read reviews in the newspaper back in the 90s. Roger and Ebert would certainly been critical of gaping plot holes and character inconsistencies

[@rawnchydeard4669]

I don’t care if Skeleton Crew is the best thing since sliced bread. I don’t care about Star Wars or the people who make it. They don’t make things for me anymore.

[@achaudhari101]

What makes you special?

[@Ihavethetouch]

​@@achaudhari101He is a customer. If you're a business, you want to have customers to spend money.

[@achaudhari101]

@@Ihavethetouch When people say “They don’t make things for me”, it comes off as not even knowing what they want. It’s as pedantic as saying “It doesn’t look or feel like Star Wars”. You’re not fooling me with the pseudo 4D chess mind games here. Besides OP here hasn’t even mentioned what he wants for Star Wars.

[@Ihavethetouch]

@@achaudhari101 If the product doesn't make you want to buy it, isn't the product bad?

[@achaudhari101]

@@Ihavethetouch You should at least be allowed to be wrong if proven otherwise.

[@andrewpalmer1873]

You're the reason why I gave Bad Batch another chance, and I was very happy I did.

[@RobertMalachowski]

I don’t know how but the animated shows have stayed very enjoyable throughout the whole decline of everything else

[@Padtedesco]

Next show is Andor, isnt it?

[@superomegaprimemk2]

Season 2 is coming along with Askoa, but they are unlikely to move the needle in the correct direction

[@Deuteromis]

As I heard after Skeleton Crew, Andor S2, and Ashoka S2 Disney will be taking a break from live action shows.

[@superomegaprimemk2]

@Deuteromis By then, Kennedy should have retired from Lucasfilm and a new CEO appointed to replace her, but they'll have a hard time because Lucasfilm would be in shambles after Kennedy era of disasters and failures, all they'll have is trash and a dwindling audience!!

[@Deuteromis]

@@superomegaprimemk2 Still boggles the mind how she hasn't been fired yet.

[@superomegaprimemk2]

@@Deuteromis Kennedy should of been fired or exited as everything began falling apart in the wake of the Last Jedi when the attacks on fans began ramping up!

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

I just watched Deadpool & Wolverine and that did the whole ‘terrible error’ better than The Acolyte did.

[@BouttaGoToBed]

What is Darthfader on about? I think he thought he was cookin. He just made himself look like a fool 😂 turn off your brain and enjoy I guess? Sorry that’s not how I want my Star Wars.

[@johnscott6984]

I watched the original movie as a high school sophomore way back when and couldn't believe what we saw in the theater! As a fan of science fiction I knew SW wasn't strictly SF but it didn't matter - as space opera it easily fit under the then big tent of SF. Then it came out in the newspaper (yikes I'm old!) that there were 2 more movies coming - incredible! But now, decades later, after the disappointment of the prequels and the train wreck that Disney SW has become I've canceled our D+ and pretty much checked out of new "visual" SW content - but because of Thor and other YT folks who talk SW I've discovered the Zahn books - what a relief to enjoy actual Star Wars stories, themes and characters! Thanks Thor keep talking SW!

[@jasonreynolds6643]

Hey Thor KZbinrs aren’t the problem. Disney has poisoned the brand. They have set the expectation that new content will be garbage. The reason for the success of bashing Star Wars on KZbin is because people like to hear feeling la we already had articulated by others. I could never watch a KZbin video talking about Star Wars and it won’t make me think of Disney Star Wars in a positive light. People are still allowed to like it but they are unlikely to be the majority.

[@achaudhari101]

That’s a you problem and yes KZbinrs are just as much of a threat to SW as the people in charge at LucasFilm. We know you’re part of the problem since you admitted to having long given up on this franchise yet you’re still here.

[@mazkeraid4039]

​@@achaudhari101 Where did you hear that from, Nowhere landscape?

[@jasonreynolds6643]

@@achaudhari101 Star Wars is a dead franchise and it is never coming back. It can never be saved. I am just ahead of the curve on realizing it. And honestly it isn't even for the reasons you assume. All great stories need to end. Return Of The Jedi was a great ending for the story. If we have to keep dragging characters through further "adventures" because we can't let go of them we are just torturing them for our amusement. By extending the story their big accomplishment in ROTJ was just a small hurdle in a never ending obstacle course that means nothing. Every attempt to extend the story past that ending is redundant. This includes the Expanded Universe just as much as Disney's content. On the flip side trying to create new ideas and slapping a Star Wars name on it is bait and switch marketing to capitalize on brand loyalty. These products don't deserve the loyalty they are getting by riding on George's accomplishments. They will continue to crank out content and it will continue to water the brand down into meaninglessness until finally the market is no existent enough to not make it worth their while to try milking the dead cow. As for why I am here it's not your concern. I am here to watch it die.

[@achaudhari101]

@@jasonreynolds6643 Well you’re hoping for the wrong thing because it just comes off as hate watching on your end. You know it’s not going to ever die and honestly you just don’t want to be proven wrong. This is just you using your apathy as an excuse to act more like a petulant child rather than a disgruntled ex fan that wants the franchise to be better.

[@jasonreynolds6643]

​@@achaudhari101 I don't watch any of Disney Star Wars content so I can't hate watch it. I watch Thor's content because sometimes KZbin puts it in my feed. I wish Thor the best of luck so I give him a listen. I presented a rational argument for why the franchise is dead. Flash Gordon was a big thing when George Lucas was a kid and it's largely forgotten today. Gone With The Wind used to be the most successful movie of all time until it wasn't. That is how time works. We will both be dead in 100 years and Star Wars will be irrelevant. In 100 years nobody will remember you or I existed. As far as acting like a petulant child YOU are the one doing that. You chose to have a tantrum on my comment to Thor because my words hurt your feelings. I didn't come searching you out. You are butt hurt for one of thwo reasons: 1. You love what Disney is doing with the franchise and are mad that I think it is shit 2. You are naive enough to think Disney gives a shit about you, and are willing to fix it for you, and you refuse to have that belief challenged As I proved above there is no question IF Star Wars will die. It's only a matter of WHEN it will die. I don't expect Star Wars to be erased from our minds. We will remember it until the day we die. But it will never be what it once was. Future generations aren't going to care about it. It will be forgotten just like us. I understand your position. I used to think Star Wars could be saved too. But then I took some time to actually think it through and I realized the inevitability of time. Save yourself endless frustration and let go of your attachments.

[@originaldarkwater]

This is the same thing they've been saying about the MCU D+ shows, now, that they were started without a clear idea of where they were going or how they were going to end up. How does this even happen with such a large, supposedly experienced and successful company like Disney? How does it continue to go on for a decade?

[@_olli_9485]

100% current corporate thinking: just do SOMETHING, just get STARTED, then manage the enterprise in flight. madness. my company, too. madness everywhere.

[@achannell362]

This franchise needs to take a break and come back in 2 years with something big.

[@Starwarslegorob]

Thor, I actually gave up on live action, Animated Star Wars has been giving me exactly what I needed!

[@scripturalcontexts]

I noticed that you always would say "now"at the beginning of your videos, but I never knew that there was any deep lore associated with it. Thanks for sharing this! To be honest with you, this series sounds almost like a rip-off of the Galaxy of fear series from back in the 90s which itself was a rip-off of Goosebumps but with a Star Wars veneer. Hopefully Disney will do better than that, but given their track record I'm not holding out much hope that will be the case

[@IvanGarcia-cx5jm]

I disagree with the comment at 9:15. At least I started watching channels like this (e.g., Overlord DVD) after the Last Jedi. That movie really left me a bad taste, and in short time I realized that this happened to almost every Star Wars fan. You can see in Rotten Tomatoes that the Star Wars audience went south after the Last Jedi, that was the point when they lost the fans. Disney's actions helped to create channels like this. Without them, we would be voiceless. It is not that we are sheep. It is that there is more democracy in these channels than Disney. They have a better intuition of what the fans want than Disney.

[@JohnSheppard1]

There's a certain sect of terminally online, bad Disney Star Wars apologists out there that simply try to silence opinions that don't fall in line with their own, by taking the moral highground and painting the dissenters out to be the devil, essentially. It's classic deflection tactics. The most prominent voices with the largest audiences just happen to be KZbinrs, and these apologists cannot stand to see so many people agreeing with these abominably evil critics. The same people will gladly, and hypocritically push forced positivity KZbinrs on you. The ones that robotically regurgitate DK compendium books or Wookieepedia articles, or make fake "first time" reaction videos to something they've already seen four times before filming them, like Star Wars Explained or Kyle Katarn, among many others, sadly. Anyway, yeah, Disney/Lucasfilm produce the movies and shows, we just watch and talk about them, and everybody else not involved in those productions aren't remotely responsible for the outcome. Not now, not ever.

[@roguetaco5487]

I just think we all have to remember we are human with biases, incentives, and other personal factors impacting our opinions. Taking a step-back and realizing this and still not seeking out other opinions is like someone doing a research paper in school and using Wiki as their only reference. If you truly wish to formulate your own opinion and do not wish to watch the original content yourself, than I would suggest following or at least watching videos of YT who have an opposing opinion on the show(s). Give yourself a more balanced view of things. But then again, some people like Thor said, don't want to. They chose to migrate toward those with similar opinions "like draws to like" sort a deal. They want other people to reinforce thoughts they already had so if that's the case then influencers aren't doing anything but confirm opinions already set in place by a large number of people. As that posting commented about "back in the day" people watched the content than talked about it. They most likely talked about it to people with like opinions. Again most people do not form friendships with people with opposing viewpoints to their own. People are naturally drawn to those with similar points of view.

[@Deuteromis]

As I heard from test screenings apparently it's wasn't well received and Disney might be taking a break from live action shows for a while. Which is probably a good thing since they really need to get their prioritizes straight. And get rid of Kathleen Kennedy.

[@Multiklaaas]

Hey Thor, finally subbed to your excellent channel. I have been enjoying your discourse surrounding the Avolyte and other recent Star Wars shows. Question: have you ever played any Star Wars (tabletop) RPGs? And if so, which one(s) do you find most enjoyable and why?

[@goufr3540]

As far as I can tell, Skeleton Crew seems like a Disney Star Wars version of the Nickelodeon 90s classic Space Cases. Although I doubt Skeleton Crew has the charm that Space Cases to. Hearing about its production issues, I have no doubt that the show will be vastly over budget and its potential merch will collect dust at Ollie's like every other Disney Star Wars series/movie.

[@BeOurGeist]

Just got back from San Diego Comic Con and I cannot remember seeing a single thing marketing Skeleton Crew - now, it could be they’re waiting for D23 but it still seems odd.

[@jendaar]

Any star wars movie show has a starting point based off of what came before it. It may start ahead based off of the good will of fans but it could be bad. Or likewise, it may start with bad will of previous stuff but be amazing (ie, Andor). The bad will is so terrible any new stuff has to work extra hard just to make it to mediocre.

[@saveritas731]

Hey Thor, Regarding the second comment you addressed in this video: I agree that your specific channel doesn't just hate on any content. Whether or not I agree on specific takes, there is an overall effort to be fair and give credit where credit is due. Where I think DarthFader has a point, albeit phrased a bit imprecisely, is that the Star Wars criticism cottage industry as a whole does indeed have a significant role in prejudicing people against new content well before it comes out, which causes that content to not do well upon release, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. I know you disagree with this, but we do have screenshots of The Acolyte's review score online being abysmal before the first two episode aired. Often you have (politely) spoken out against fans who love everything put out by LucasFilms against Disney. While I don't have that specific mentality myself, I often find myself sympathetic towards those people because there is something to be said about the negative atmosphere that Disney-opposing channels (especially the ones that lack your nuance) create in the fandom, and wanting to like the content purely as an act of rebellion against other fans. IMO, we're in an environment where LucasFilms is being perpetually punished for the Sequel Trilogy and/or being held up against the fandom's preference on what the messaging of Star Wars should be, as opposed to experiencing each piece of content with a truly open mind. Yes, you yourself do your best to be open-minded. Yes, we collectively pay to access it and have the right to our opinions about it. Yes, LucasFilms needs to do better on average with its content. None of this changes the fact that the Disney-opposing portion of the fandom generally makes it miserable through comments of ridicule for those that are Disney-sympathetic to just be part of the fandom. It doesn't need to be this way. There is room for criticism of Disney-run LucasFilms without a self-reinforcing loop of negativity.

[@Monkey9518]

The Acolyte was the first Star Wars content I completely skipped. When I knew about the actors and crews personal lives/feelings then I did about the show, I just lost interest. Sadly the quality of the last few shows...... Aside from R. Stevenson...... I just find the love I had for SW going away. Between games and KZbin content I find myself less active in all these areas. I wasn't expecting anything from Andor and it became my favorite Disney SW release. So hopefully Skeleton Crew can bring me back, though I don't know if I'll even watch it either.

[@TheManInBlueFlames]

People want to hear the other side...until they scream in their face and call them racists.

[@dozyproductionss]

I successfully didn't watch acolyte, kenobi and bobba fett. Got suckered in with Ahsoka though. KZbinrs pointing out how horrible it is is better than watching the horrible.

[@christophmahler]

It's quite possible that the ACOLYTE wouldn't even having been produced if it couldn't strike a divisive tone in a polarized audience - it is likely part of the marketing - even the hate-watching and veritable cottage industry of counter-activism or media criticism creates a buzz that everyone has heard off. Flat out ignoring all Disney products until the intellectual property rights are again sold off to a traditionalist foreign culture would be less of a 'spectacle' and will hurt a 'culture industry' more.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I completely forgot that was even supposed to be a thing.

[@justinparker7712]

EVERY narrative that dismisses why people don't watch Acolyte as any other reason other than its an awful show fails when you apply it to HotD, every single one.

[@Scorkey333]

Maybe they are also trying to get Skeleton Crew further away from Star Trek Prodigy's airing. I haven't watched that show either. But they probably want to avoid claims of copying. Second thought, movie/tv/play critics have been around for centuries. The barrier for entry to be one is way lower with the internet. They should be having less effect now unless the argument it makes it harder to buy off a few people.

[@mrfloosak]

Yoda was basically a muppet fighting with R2/D2

[@charles52able1]

I wouldn't mind an Ahsoka season 2 or even Acolyte season 2 if they drastically improve the writing and pacing. As it currently stands I am not looking forward to any current Star Wars projects, including Andor season 2. Mando's, Boba's, and Kenobi's show have nothing left to tell and unless major improvements are made I can be content with not getting answers to the open ended series. Andor is wrapped up by Rouge One neatly enough for me and Im pretty nuetral on the Acolyte. Ahsoka is the only show that clearly needs a follow up, but a imperial remanent war movie could tie it up easily enough.

[@LordZolric]

That dude is wrong, I lived those days as well and it took anywhere from 6 months to a year for movies to reach home video. As time went on it got quicker but it never took 2-5 years. The only movie I remember taking years to release on home video was E.T. Anyone who lived through that time should know this.

[@JohanMsWorld]

I rather think they have a great idea that ate torn apart by those trying to push it into the formula without being made for it and then is tossed around the tumbler until everyone lost track of what it is. And the second comment is right in its conclusion- The Acolyte really showed us the power of the internet storm when it at its worst. And you described it perfect when you talked about everyone finding theyre own bubble and thinking everyone else is ”the enemy” to the point where it hurted channels viewership thats not following the negative guys. Social media storms can be extreamly hurtfull to those who think differently (still remember the little Mermaid storm) and I had to stop listenkbg to channels that where to different from my opinion - Even thou I mostly can accept everyones different opinion and discuss it in a civilised manner. I dint know how to fix this but I wish everyone could start with respecting everyones different opinion and sit down and watch a show before tearing it apart.

[@ThePlecoPal]

Maybe there's a reason why the KZbinrs have been giving negative opinions🤷

[@atlasdesnyder4747]

It sometimes frustrates me how obtuse certain people are about the way fanbases and general audiences react to media -- it is entirely natural and proper that one would seek to express opinions, positive or negative, on a product they purchased, especially media of some sort. Stating that most people just become mindless sheep when they choose to go online, choose to search up reviews on a show or movie or book they've watched, and choose to click on a particular review which in many cases is obviously less than positive on its face, and choose to watch it through, sometimes liking and/or commenting is deluded or just a disingenuous argument. It is mostly the quality of the media that dictates popular responses in reviews, conversation, and viewership numbers. The commenter in this case also appealed to a mythologized past where everyone just enjoyed Star Wars and such in a silo, and was all the better for it. While I'm sure some people had this experience mor or less, even before the internet there were certainly plenty of people talking about Star Wars in an equally contentious and impassioned manner, either in their own circle of friends, fan clubs, via letters to magazines, newspapers, or even directly to the creators for whatever that was worth, and so on. Humans are nothing if not social, andjust because that sort of social environment and extraneous media is more accessible than ever doesn't mean the same or similar degree of passion, again, positive and negative both, did not exist previously. Even if more people are engaged with it directly than before, that doesn't mean their experiences aren't genuine, just that they were better able, with less effort, to find an outlet to understand and test their own feelings and opinions on the subject.

[@MandelbrotMetalhead]

My hope is that Skeleton Crew will have those Goonies vibes they talked about, mixed with some Galaxy of Fear type stories. But I'm certainly not confident in it