I do not recommend: Gotham Knights

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Death by a thousand bat-cuts, Gotham Knights wore me down despite my desperately trying to enjoy it. A great cast, iconic villains and solid writing are undermined at every turn by lacklustre combat, terrible enemy design, a redundant gear/crafting system and an open world structure that is constantly grinding your enjoyment to a halt.
Gotham Knights launches tomorrow on PS5, Xbox Series consoles and PC. Review code provided by publisher.
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[@TheSwampDonkey]

The Knighthood status really turned me off.

[@exalted_space9224]

Cool

[@OHMASIA1]

Don't these companies hire people in like yourself during development ? You breakdown all the pros and cons so well and know what the gaming public want.

[@sugreev2001]

Knew this game was gonna be crap the moment the synopsis dropped. Looked like utter shit when the first trailer released, proving me right.

[@pldanis7968]

No review on your 4090 and no mention of it ? I wonder why 🤣🤣🤣

[@CriticalNobody]

When this game was first revealed, I saw the levels floating above enemy hands and groaned. When an open world game has them, it usually means there’s going to be some kind of forced artificial grind and it would seem my fears were warranted.

[@akmal94ibrahim]

My first time watching the gameplay demo, I thought it was another live-service game. It just seems to have all the elements for another Marvel's Avengers type game. And I was proven right, sorta. 100% they pivot when Avengers received heavy backlash but was too deep in development that they can't throw away all the live-service mechanics of the game.

[@jamesverhoeven8769]

Love ur videos ima still play this game 💀 just realized u posed a new vid to that’s hype I’ll drop a like

[@GradietPanda12345]

Not really lmao

[@Miriam_J_]

@@GradietPanda12345 But like, real RPGs don't even do this? It's mostly just these games that have no business being an RPG. Honestly, games like Gotham Knights, Assassins Creed Valhalla and God of War now using extremely underdeveloped RPG systems for no real reason other than there would be no other reason to grind.

[@Ceece20]

Yep, if it was a JRPG, that’s fine. MMO? Go for it. But this is just grinding without understanding why the grind.

[@fugoo8912]

This was 1000% a live service that had to pivot. I’ve assumed this since the first gameplay reveal.

[@e2rqey]

Yup they saw what happened to Avengers but were too deep in to completely change at that point

[@mr.smithgnrsmith7808]

Exactly what I thought…it has that certain look of a bad game

[@The_PaleRider]

@@e2rqey they were working on a new arkham game but they canceled it

[@dr.loomis4221]

Lets hope the Suicide Squad game gets it right

[@DV-ou1yu]

@@dr.loomis4221 That was definitely live service junk too, I have no hope in that either

[@TheReviewGhost]

I honestly coulda SWORN they said this game was live service when they first started showing off stuff like a year or two ago. Something like "Every few months we'll deliver a new plot with a new villain that you can take on with your friends." I think you're right that they saw Avengers crash and hurriedly ripped out live service stuff to try and stand out in the saturated looter market.

[@mrbobo86]

It definitely started as a live service development. And then they changed it because of avengers failure

[@SammEater]

Too bad they forgot to patch this gameplay loop out. I can forgive the performance issues because I know those will definitelly be fixed. But the core gameplay is basically impossible to patch out without redoing the entire game from scratch.

[@dnl_mp4]

WB Montreal sucks. They are just a studio lucky enough to receive the Arkham series and delivered two mediocre games filled with micro transactions. You want REAL Batman games? Get the real Arkhams ones from Rocksteady. WB Montreal is just cash grab

[@randeli7785]

@@dnl_mp4 Arkham Origins is great.

[@joaoassumpcao3347]

@@dnl_mp4 Don't diss Arkham Origins like that. It's not on the level of Rocksteady's Arkham games, but it's still really good and has some of the best moments in the series.

[@darthrevan2081]

My issue is these companies want to argue the $70 price point then release broken or incomplete games.

[@locks3711]

Bro they were doing at $60 and $50 price points 2-5 years ago. Every generation expect a rise in prices.

[@darthrevan2081]

@@locks3711 what first off $50 games went out with PS2 that was over 15 years ago 😳 second my argument was trying to solidify $70 price points when you can't even properly finish a game. GG bro keep up.

[@raymiller934]

I remember when N64 games were going for 70-90$. I was very glad to see them stabilize around 40-50$. I really can’t see paying full retail for any game anymore when most of them really aren’t finished at launch. Wait a few months for the patches and stabilizations and inevitable price drops.

[@SM4SH3R]

@@locks3711 if there gonna raide the price those Fuckers better improve quality... obviously not happening

[@HolyApplebutter]

@@locks3711 A) Half the time when games release it's an unfinished product, and extremely buggy. B) With everything going digital, it has gotten much, much cheaper to distribute games. The money that used to go into the manufacturing of disks and cases, not to mention transport, has lessened substantially over the last decade or so, which saves them a lot. C) We are continually getting different forms of microtransactions on top of the the $60 price tag, some of which are extremely predatory and are borderline (if not completely) gambling. Some games these days make a vast majority of their money not on initial sales, but microtransactions. D) We already are seeing price hikes through the various versions of "Deluxe Editions," some of which go up to even $100. I by no means mean any of this to you personally, but anyone who defends games' standard price going to $70 can fuck right off.

[@Darkflo23]

It sounds like the best experience you can have with this game is watching the cutscenes on KZbin and never playing the horrible grindy game itself.

[@InternetMouse]

Yeah, it seems most likely

[@aurancrash4654]

that's what I was thinking as well. enjoy the story and leave the rest

[@superalatreon1]

Yup same. Be keeping an eye out for that cutscene "movie" whoever decides to upload it...

[@SpaceO2]

MKIceandFire should have played through all this already I’m sure.

[@sylents8005]

@@superalatreon1 gamers playground is way ahead of you

[@EatSumMorChkin]

The bat family relying on grinding random currencies to get different armor gear etc is so absurd lmao. Bruce leaving his legacy to his proteges but none of his massive fortune.

[@TayRich93]

Lmao

[@D0NU75]

we die in a society

[@RonhozZ]

Society 🤡

[@johndodo2062]

​@@D0NU75 only the ones that are guilty of wrong think. all the others can do whatever they want and get away with all of it

[@riquestrong9496]

Bro I was thinking the same exact thing! Why do we need resources from bad guys when we have our batdad inheritance. This game is soooo soooo stupid bro!

[@AdenNak]

There is absolutely no way this wasn't designed as a live service.

[@thouartseraph]

Can’t wait to hear about the behind the scenes for this game. Definitely had to be a live service that was changed at some point. Literally has ALL the elements of one.

[@thouartseraph]

@@aloblis a live service RPG, yes.

[@Sujad]

There's a troon director behind the game. It was a write-off before it even had a chance.

[@EmperorPylades]

@@Sujad Yeah, sure. Blame a minority director rather than the fact that its coming from WB: a publisher who chase trends and milk their players as hard as 2K and Electronic Arts. Keep that /v/ flag flying.

[@Sujad]

@@EmperorPylades Every time a troon gets involved in anything the project worsens.

[@whitephillip6997]

@@Sujad so what's a "troon"?

[@spork5678]

Watching this game’s lead up to launch was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. So sad it went this way. Hope we can get a true successor to the Arkham series at some point.

[@RevJ7]

Except it literally wasnt because it looked great. Still does. Arkham series is overrated af.

[@latro5002]

Hopefully Suicide Squad hits it out of the park

[@marcuskane1040]

@@RevJ7 Never looked great or fun. Looks even worse now. Stop being delusional

[@Slavic_Snake]

@@RevJ7 cope

[@danielbattle7620]

@@RevJ7 never looked great, looked clunky and awkward with unoriginal combat until release

[@ACE-ej4fu]

its crazy how arkham knight still looks good despite being 7 years old

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

Hard work and passion

[@frosty2182]

for real, i just played through it for the first time 2 years ago, and i was in literal awe of how good it looked

[@wampatan9]

Peak RockSteady is hard to match

[@emulation2369]

Looked better

[@Shocknfunk]

The RE remake on GameCube still looks good to this day and that’s 20 years old

[@michaelmonstar4276]

You know, when they ANNOUNCED this game, I was actually fairy excited for it, in that it would be like an "Arkham follow-up" in which you play through a story "after Batman" with characters that like "carry the legacy" and so on. But I was thinking way too much 2010s or even earlier, in terms of what the game would be like. It's just not those times anymore... It COULD've been what I thought, easily, but it just didn't go that direction, even with WB Games Montreal might have wanted to go there.

[@buddaflyfx]

yea im in the same boat. i was a little excited when i heard the game was in development. too bad it's so disappointing in execution.

[@mckenanbundy3578]

What do you mean “thinking too much 2010s?”

[@kakyointhemilfhunter4273]

@@mckenanbundy3578 As in a fun singleplayer 3rd person action game in the vein of the Arkham games.

[@flyingplantwhale545]

Well it's not an Arkham follow-up and they didn't try to make one. You tying in a completely different franchise and getting upset that this isn't it, is your own fault.

[@thephoenixxm4160]

@@flyingplantwhale545 Well, hard to blame him giving that the last we had of the Arkham series Bruce/Batman DIED at the end and this Gotham Knights game is all about Batman's sidekicks taking over after Bruce died.

[@NevanSlone]

14:41 I just got bad flashbacks to Star Wars episode 9 “They fly now??!”… “They Fly now..”

[@myeruow7988]

Remember batmans insanely cool detective mode in Arkham Origins? Where he would essentially reconstruct a crime scene and replay said crime to find out what happened? 10:23 this is what we get almost a decade later?? That shit is horrendous

[@fsglimaable]

Couldn't agree more. This is so below the Arkaham franchise. How come they worsen up everything single thing on this game? Even the very first game Arkaham Asylum, is way better than this trash. Also it poorly performance on my i9 12900k + 4090 RTX. This game is a complete disaster. It almost feels like they wanted to make this bad. I mean almost a decade later and this is what they deliver to us? You got to be kidding me.

[@sergiomendoza4850]

Is this part of the Arkham franchise? I don’t think rocksteady made this game, it was WB games wasnt it?

[@santhoshsridhar5887]

@@sergiomendoza4850 It isn't. But Arkham Origins was also made by WB Montreal.

[@fsglimaable]

@@sergiomendoza4850 the very first one (arkaham Asylum) which is way better than this one, apparently it was. Even if it is not from the same company, and you are trying to make a similar game. They had all ingredients to make a successful game. I love this style of game. Like shadow of War or, Spider-Man remastered. I don't understand how come they could mess up the combat mode so much. This game is beyond any repair. NOT with updates or patches. It makes me really sad, because I was literally counting the years for this to be launched. Then comes this disappointment. As I start to play I couldn't believe it was that bad, after almost like a decade later, how could be that bad? Were the hell the game tester were thinking when they were playing this to think this is ok? Don't even get me started as this game poorly performance on my computer. Literally every game that I had on my 3090 got almost like 100fps more ! Battlefield 2042, Modern warfare, Fifa23, Need for speed, F1 2022, all these games maxed out with RAY TRACING ON, and all filters on, jump almost Like 100 fps more. This game on an open view and full of enemies during combat mode goes down to 60fps, and never goes over 150fps. The drops on fps are insanily high. Makes my graphic card looks like a 1080.

[@flubbell1676]

I know it’s a small part of it but one of my biggest pet peeves is every game has to have enemy levels and health bars now. It’s so annoying

[@SystemBD]

The enemy levels I understand (because they are an artificial way to increase the difficulty of an enemy without even swapping their colors, like in the old days), but the health bars... I believe that they are necessary to certain extent to visually indicate how much damage you are doing and be able to switch strategies. if you are not displaying that bar the alternatives are embedding that information in the enemy movements/behaviours (like in Monster Hunter) or to make the enemies weak enough that it doesn't really matter (like in old shoot-em-ups).

[@christopherlyndsay8611]

Fr. Was kinda disappointed when I saw it in starfield

[@utisti4976]

@@christopherlyndsay8611 Bethesda always had enemy healthbars though? Even in Daggerfall they used healthbars. :/

[@jsrocker248]

@@SystemBD You could make the argument that all of the previous Arkham series didn't have heath bars or from what I remember. Only indication you had was not slow down, keep you toes light while swinging to every other enemy until you heard that big spwoosh of them getting knocked down, and if you were patient enough and on the right ledge or corner, could easily do silent takedowns without the trouble. Having a health bar now a days has become a necessity while games back then it was a privilege.

[@blalockgnosis]

You can take them ofg

[@hurstod533]

Played for 30 min and returned it. It takes A LOT for me to do this, but it felt like a mobile game or a remastered game. So much potential too.

[@patientmental875]

Where do you return opened games at?

[@12_eyes41]

@@patientmental875 he bought it on the psn store and returned it. Why would u buy disc version

[@masterImac]

@@patientmental875 probably steam. Their policy allows you to refund the game after having max 1-2 h gameplay (don’t know for sure) There are even a speedrun community, where they try to rush any% and refund the game in the given time limit

[@JJS595]

@@12_eyes41 U know how strict Sony is when returning digital games u already played? Lmao

[@zelohendricks51]

@@12_eyes41 Because some people actually like to own their games

[@Hans-andersen]

Just to say, the side mission where you investigate a body does have a follow up. It's the one where people are hiding. I usually get one of those after finishing investigating the dead body. Or it might just be random thing that pops up and it's just how bad my RNG is that they always show up after an investigation

[@echoleaderone6743]

Yeah I don't think he paid attention to his map to notice it updated after solving the clues of the investigation.. the investigation missions could be a bit more interactive though so I'll give him that.

[@demon794]

This is one of the only games I can think of where watching the gameplay footage a few months ago actually made me not want to buy the game.

[@Pfunkybear]

Saints row

[@jakemcgowan5686]

Exaclty if they never released any game footage I would’ve probably bought it

[@b1bbscraz3y]

then you've been fooled by a lot of games

[@sonofsparta3858]

Avengers

[@EGH666]

forspoken

[@mightyowl3160]

I totally agree about the hard pivot after avengers disaster.

[@razvanzamfir1545]

and just like Avengers, I'll play it when on PS plus

[@lordofdarkness4204]

Yeah it would make so much sense for this game to have originally been a live service game that they scrapped because of Avengers.

[@jaysemple751]

Give it couple of months they will be selling skin packs and xp booster to help the grind.

[@XarkoCZ]

Sad this is... Avengers is somehow still better game than this.

[@DsgSleazy]

@@lordofdarkness4204 100%, this is what I was thinking. There's no way this trainwreck wasn't a cash grab at some point in its life cycle.

[@DeathsPit00]

If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that this was originally going to be a live service game that WB eventually pulled the plug on, but still needed to release so they just made it single player instead. Idk what the logistics behind such a decision would be though.

[@Sev3nn20]

Except it's not single player only

[@dr.loomis4221]

Gotham Knights feels like you're cruising around a big empty studio backlot

[@senecauk8363]

I love how at 11:47 Nightwing slides towards an unaware enemy, baton outstretched, as if to take the guy's legs out...oh, no, hang on- sliding is clearly just a basic movement tool as we've seen in so many other games. Nightwing finishes the slides, and stands up into a basic combat strike. Applause.

[@nousername2942]

The movement looks so so bad

[@UnBR0k3enAngel]

This is why I love Rocksteady. They would be one of the few devs who would animated it exactly as you described it. Sad to see WB greenlit an Arkham game without them at the helm

[@lastmanstanding7155]

@@UnBR0k3enAngel it's not an arkham game tho. It is it's own thing. Just sayin.

[@jjankrom4398]

@@UnBR0k3enAngel different universe

[@l3R0K3N8BIT]

@@lastmanstanding7155 they worked on arkham origins and had help from rocksteady during that development. Its not like this developer has no experience working on batman combat and animations

[@spidercat2841]

If you look at the source code you'll see files made for live service like features such as xp boosters, skins, multiple in game currencies, ....etc

[@jaysemple751]

Explains alot

[@Nero_PR]

We knew from the get go this game was supossed to be a live service game but Warner backtracked hard after everyone's cries about how shit Avengers was. No matter how many times they said this wasn't the case, no one believed them (rightfully so).

[@calvinwilson3617]

Anything about a store ui? Im betting one gets added

[@SolidSnake240]

That means they'll probably add them in later lol

[@dr.loomis4221]

@@SolidSnake240 Wouldn't make much sense at that point. That would further tarnish WB Montreal's image.

[@Gamma_FGC]

I’ve gotten good at knowing which games are gonna be awful. I could tell from day 1 of this one

[@falkenfluegel]

We all could with this one. It was too obvious.

[@NavySharkz]

Too right. Yet, when people like us tried to point this out we were told to "STFU, the games still has time to improve" by all of the Bat simps.

[@maxmaxy7542]

@NavySharkz you can't reason with those people . They are like a cult and blinded by their own delusions the same as how those TLOU simps actually thought it was a remake from the ground up when it was just a glorified remaster

[@baki484]

​​​@@NavySharkzI can relate to that and this is coming from a hardcore batman and DC fan since the reveal I knew I wouldn't buy this.

[@NavySharkz]

@@maxmaxy7542 Yes, this right here.

[@jvd3339]

The first 30 mins I played I ended up getting frozen on some barrels as I was trying to sneak up on enemies. The enemies spotted me and continued to throw fire bombs on me until I died. Couldn't move at all.

[@LOL-ro9ef]

Aint that a bitch

[@jvd3339]

@@LOL-ro9ef - Yea, and I found that I was playing on hard. So I was getting no health packs from killing enemies. Turned it down to Normal, and it's been fun

[@MrTmm97]

Damage sponge enemies are literally one of the biggest pet peeves of mine in games focusing on combat. It’s a lazy, fun stealing, frustrating and unnecessary choice by the developers. Many games that feature damage sponge enemies are using it as a way to artificially create difficulty. Rather than spending time developing unique, fun combat mechanics to increase difficulty, while simultaneously making it more interesting… they instead just amp up all the enemies health to unreasonable levels which wastes the players time and bores them. Normal enemies shouldn’t need to have huge health pools to unnecessarily drag out combat with them…. Games are more fun when the player feels like games value their time and value them improving their skill and efficiency in combat, rather than a game forcing them to repeat the same attack combo multiple times per enemy. Talk about lessening immersion and completely stripping any power fantasy or satisfaction for clearing levels quickly and efficiently. One of the biggest reasons I’ll pass on a game is the rampant inclusion on damage sponge enemies.

[@JustinZode]

To be honest I have to give Destiny 2 credit for how it handles this. Rather than damage sponge enemies, you fight bosses who make you engage with unique mechanics and mini bosses or champions where your choice of abilities and weapons against their vulnerabilities and use of terrain determines success rather than raw damage.

[@thedude8128]

Yup. It's a lazy and cheap way for Devs to create difficulty by just adding a multiplier to their health as you move up. I mean why would you want to waste time making dynamic changes to combat as you progress? Like come on, that takes work, this is MUCH easier. Like making it a non fixed 30fps for consoles. Why would you want to do all that hard work? Like honestly, doing all that JUST so the gamers can actually enjoy the game is a weak response. Bare minimum is so much better.

[@EternalNightingale]

Ya same issue I had with avengers had to put the game on easy difficulty like hulk barley does damage

[@SuperSly1337]

That's why Sifu is my favorite game of the year so far. No spongey enemies or annoying, pointless busy work filling up the playtime. Just a short, tight experience that forces you to learn and become skilled with the gameplay, and makes you feel like a badass when you do.

[@dandewizzle2479]

Agree 100%. Especially in games like this where the heroes are supposed to be leagues above street criminals when it comes to physicality and fighting skills, and yet you still have to pound the thugs for 15 seconds straight just to get their health whittled down. The Arkham games did a way better job of making the player FEEL powerful as Batman because 3 or 4 strikes downed most enemies, instead of the 20 it takes in this game

[@mirfalltnixein.1]

14:42 Someone really heard „They can fly now?“ „They can fly now!“ in Star Wars and thought to themselves „That sounds like great writing which I should rip off!“

[@dunstonlion1342]

The fact that this game has levels pretty well tells me it was DEFINITELY going to be more like Avengers. Developers need to stop putting levelling and gearing in single player games, especially if they're not going to properly balance it. If I'm playing a superhero I want to feel powerful. And if I'm fighting the SAME thugs the whole time and they always take a bunch of hits because their levels keep rising to match mine, then I feel like I'm not making any progress.

[@Doctorgeo7]

Your guess that Gotham Knights pivoted from a live-service model and then to an open-world action-RPG makes sense. The way it looks, the way it plays. It all makes much more sense if you view the game as a live-service skinner box like so many games that infest the AAA market.

[@RomnysGonzalez]

It makes sense that the Live services was the original direction. You can see it and feel it on every aspect of it. Also explained why this game got delay on the era of Avengers being destroyed

[@handgun559]

I really do hope we all stop buying and supporting live service games. Last one I participated in was Metal Gear Solid V after it left such a bitter taste in my mouth. Fucking micro transactions in a Metal Gear game... I'm STILL annoyed!

[@The_MarTyNi]

From what you mention, this was 100% supposed to be a live service game like Avengers...

[@Vman_95]

11:45 "Main missions are gated behind Openworld grinding" So mafia 3 all over again, great, just great WB Montreal 😓

[@voooduvooodu6032]

I've been playing for 3 day, put in over 20 hours. Not once did i ever have to grind anything for missions. Apparently skill up thinks stopping street crime is grinding in a game about heros that fight street crimes.

[@SammEater]

All the game mechanics I hate the most, grinding and crafting, you can tell this was a mechanic made to pad the game time (and probably to sell EXP packages before the devs decided to drop the live service of the game). Performance issues I can easily see being patched out, but the gameplay loop cannot be 'fixed'.

[@Montesama314]

Back two years ago, I remember saying a flat no because it looked like it was going to be a live service game. I'm glad it didn't turn out that way, but it's clear from all the menus and gear reminiscent of a mobile game that the publishers WANTED it to be one at some point. It's no wonder that the game needed more months to cook when the publishers made the developers change design philosophies mid-development.

[@DsgSleazy]

Facts

[@italianspiderman5012]

@@DsgSleazy the thing is it is a live service just without the “service”,it functions like it,looks like it and smells like it.

[@redlightning0001]

@@italianspiderman5012 they can still put out an update to make it a complete live service.

[@italianspiderman5012]

@@redlightning0001 oh that in game store update is coming for sure,unless the game completely flops,which is likely.

[@DV-ou1yu]

@@italianspiderman5012 lmao we all know that crap is coming.

[@EmperorPocky396]

Crazy how Arkham Knight came out in 2015 and is still one of the best looking city’s in a game ever. It feels like there’s no more passion in the games industry.

[@thegadflygang5381]

It really is fantastic all around, sans the Riddler racing and puzzles which i always hated. Origins holds up quite well also, I played it last and loved the Christmas aesthetic and plot

[@EmperorPocky396]

@@thegadflygang5381 it’s my head cannon that after saving cat woman, Batman just locked riddler in his basement and just ignores him lol. Riddler thinks that Batman is having a super hard time solving all his puzzles. When In reality everyone just kinda forgets about him.

[@BasementBubbatunde]

Yea I've been playing it on the game pass and even all these years later I thoroughly enjoy it both visually and gameplay etc wise. There's things I don't like (some of the riddler stuff for example) but I don't know if that's common or just a me issue lol

[@thegadflygang5381]

@@EmperorPocky396 That is hysterical although it sucks donkeynuts that I couldnt get the end game 2 cut scene because after sinking in a 100+ really enjoyable hours I was not going to ruin my experience doing dozens of awful races and puzzles I am not a completionist by nature. I will sink weeks into Days Gone or RDR2 because I enjoy just doing my thing and not worrying about something like "kill a perfect woodpecker carcass".. but just by the game style I am at 99% on Arkham Knight.

[@DonPasquale_]

You're just playing the wrong games if you feel that way, plenty of excellent and "passionate" single player games released since 2015

[@Sujad]

>Mr Freeze makes weather now? >Solidly written... Pick one.

[@lilboat223]

Dumbest shit was having to complete a challenge just so I can glide

[@wrathava]

I think your theory on Gotham knights being an abandoned live service game like Avengers is full on point. the mission structure, pointless repetitive open world activities, and their grindy nature screams 'live service'. Also the bullet/punch sponge enemies look so exhausting. I am kinda glad batman not there lol, he would have felt so weak. I was kinda planning to buy this but thanks for saving me $99. I am not really against live service games, I love games like ffxiv but they are worth my money instead of games like these.

[@Flameville]

I remember them being ambiguous on what the game was meant to be when it was questioned for having live service like elements.

[@rebellious_red7123]

It was pseudo-marketed as one for sure early on

[@BLUEKOMMEH]

I mean the fact that there are 4 heroes is practically proof of that it was meant to be a squad based live service game

[@NaviRyan]

Considering wb saw the disaster that was the avengers game they have no excuses. they could have gotten rid of their grinding bs, but chose not too.

[@nicknasty14]

@@NaviRyan It’s nothing like that godawful avengers. I got it early today and put some hours into it. So far it’s very good! Reminds me of Arkham knight. Game is getting split reviews. Graphics are damn good on PS5, near god of war quality. So glad I didn’t cling on to the negative reviews. It’s like Arkham knight.

[@darraghtate440]

Also, why are the Talons standard enemies? I really assumed they'd each be a boss, as in the comics they could 1v1 every member of the Bat family.

[@prestonphillips473]

Not all of the talons were as skilled as a few of the major ones in the first story. At one point in the first two arcs a ton of them swarm the Batcave and Bruce gets in that suit to fight off a lot. As well as other people have to fight them in tie-in issues etc. Also it looks like some of them are just the more average people with the owl mask and not trained "talons."

[@deschain1910]

@@prestonphillips473 Yeah, this seems like the most likely explanation. I mean, all talons can't be as good as the ones who could 1v1 any member of the Bat family. It just wouldn't be possible to have that many people who are that talented AND well-trained AND willing to give their lives to the Court, even with cryo storage involved...

[@joelou]

I LOVED how you provided a very specific example of the controls not working. Prepping up the scene, explaining your expectations and then showing us the execution. SUPER helpful for a review. Great job!

[@michaelfranke8622]

Comparing this game to the the arkham series is fair I think since WB Montreal did an Arkham game and it was really good. The Gotham map in Arkham Origins is one of my favorites, and even though I’m sure the team is completely different the studio has done better work on Batman before, even if they were working off the blueprint set by another studio

[@agent_hex]

I remember liking Marvel's Avengers combat when you get to fight a few "normal" enemies too. Then you get spammed by a thousand ranged attacks and a heavy health sponger and it falls apart. Can't believe the devs can't notice/fix this sort of issue in games.

[@rowanfarmer9029]

Yeah that's what makes a video game fun if it's challenging

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

@@rowanfarmer9029 there's the right type of challenge and a wrong type of challenge. Damage sponge enemies is the wrong type of challenge, it always has been the case.

[@rudeboyjohn3483]

@@rowanfarmer9029 "No! There's only one way to like games, and that's MY way. Get gud no0bz lulz" Seriously, dude....its a game. You ain't the DM

[@rowanfarmer9029]

@@Pedro_Le_Chef I'll agree with you there hate damage sponse enemies maybe I spoke to soon by this time I have seen enough reviews

[@9OsLatina]

People are just ass at video games and they want their hand held throughout the whole game.

[@Reznor440]

Just looking at the menus I can see the live service elements all over this game

[@zjmstrash7181]

There's no live service tho?

[@stevebob240]

@@zjmstrash7181 Most likely, due to backlash to other recent LS titles they hastily removed those elements without changing much on a game design front to compensate.

[@startrekmike]

@@zjmstrash7181 Not having a cash shop is just about the only live service aspect it doesn't have.

[@Reznor440]

@@zjmstrash7181 did you watch the review? He said it feels like it was made as a live action and then last minute they changed it but left most elements in there

[@bigger9282]

Seems like a prime game to wait for it to come out on Gamepass when they need the sales in the few months

[@xXMairusuXx]

Insane to hear that one cant jump when playing out a fantasy of being a highly dexterous, acrobatic, skilled combatant....each character should be busting out different flips at will

[@chase_9752]

feel like putting this on gamepass would put a lot of value into this game

[@mrsherbetsniff]

not just gamepass, I reckon PS plus too. it needs it

[@amogus1479]

Not really since Arkham knight is also on gamepass

[@dr.loomis4221]

I really wish it was

[@kindred3147]

Give it 6 months

[@vintagemonte]

great point

[@MarcusA20]

I'm always skeptical about these types of games becasue the pointless grind aspect of them. It seems as if developers get lost in making sure there is a game at all and not asking themselves "Is this fun?" The drones are a perfect example of this as you mentioned.

[@darrenfleming7901]

corporate game development is exactly that. Everyone is busy making sure their own tasks are completed so they won't get yelled at or fired, and often no one is busy making sure the game is cohesive or fun. That's why the overwhelming majority of AAA games are simply mediocre. Some still do well, but to do so they need one person that the top that will obsessively approve or disapprove everything produced until it fits his vision. Otherwise you get shit games that give you plenty of reasons to buy them and zero reasons to actually play them.

[@JoelsMedia]

Yes exactly.

[@Flarios55]

Gotham knights feels like a betrayal. I waited for years until the next batman game to release and they just abandoned the ps4 and xbox one consoles, I barely had the money to buy the game and now I can only get it if I save up over $500 I don't have that kind of money to just spend.

[@CalvinChikelue]

Lol That Salvage Currency Crafting icon set reminds me so much of the similar one I hate in No Man’s Sky; a bunch of barely readable icon squares that muddle more that they inform. Hell at least in NMS they had names on the icons…names that sometimes didn’t fit even at the tiny font size but names all the same.

[@userunknown4331]

The main thing that's throwing me off, and it is small, is grappling. In this game you're just grappling in a straight line no matter the direction you're going. In all the other Arkham games, you had weight and gravity tied into the grappling. I don't know, I've been saving up for this game, but seeing all the gameplay makes me rethink if I actually want it

[@arandomguy2311]

Not an arkham game

[@cainyourkids]

@@arandomguy2311 It's not - what OP meant was that the Arkham games had more depth to their mechanics than this one, and it's particularly sad because the Arkham games are definitely older and thus the producers were aware of it and could have added it to GK, but went the generic mid-2010s Ubisoft-esque route of making it all mindlessly dull.

[@arandomguy2311]

@@cainyourkids most players are placing it at 7 or 8 and some big companies it's just some big companies giving it bad reviews the games just divisive because people compare it to arkham whenever it tried to be nothing like it most bad reviews are hating it for not being arkham when it's not meant to be arkham 🤣 the 2 lowest reviews I've see are from people who gave release day cyberpunk a 9 and are known for being petty and shit and gave alien isolation a 6 and marvels avengers a 6. We never trusted them before now why would we the players are giving it good reviews so I'll play it myself I trust the people like us not the people paided to rush out a script since there are a lots of games coming out rn. Only a few of players aren't liking it compared to the rest

[@cainyourkids]

@@arandomguy2311 I get what you're saying and see where you're at, but I'm more optimistic for SS than this definitely. This reeks of Marvel's Avengers and that game deserved the flak it got. I almost passed up on GOTG because of it, and was surprised with how fun and enjoyable GOTG was. As for Cp2077, I was also very critical of it - and this coming from someone who pre-ordered the game!

[@arandomguy2311]

@@cainyourkids I played Guardians of the galaxy too loved it despite not liking the movies at all. But most of what this game is getting is unwarranted some people have spec or performance issues, main story length and that shitty UI that is fair and then combat is just personal thoughts but comparing everything it does to arkham isn't fair and saying its not arkham so dogshit instead of living in its universes not arkham universe while playing it. Like I said most players like it and place it at 7 so I'll play it myself not because a handful of companies say its bad whenever most of those companies have displayed salt or some type of toxic behavior with other games they reviewed in the past when the games were good. Lots of people can't get over the cancelling of the Damien Wayne arkham game with the Courts of Owls and are sad they didn't get arkham so much of the gaming community is toxic and feel they are entitled to an arkham game so they hate on what isn't arkham in hopes of getting rocksteady to make another arkham game but thats not happening anytime soon so I don't understand this bullshit that's been happening since this game was revealed. At the end of the day arkhams my no.1 franchise but I'm going to give other things a chance think of it this way lots of people hate the game for not being arkham so that means they don't want anyone to make any other interpretations in gaming unless it follows that formula that is literally the best way to creatively bankrupt a character

[@lowerclassbrats77]

Seems like this game would have benefited from being more a linear story driven 3d beat'em up with online co-op and meticulously designed fight sequences.

[@grandmascreampie5372]

such a missed opportunity

[@darrenfleming7901]

can't do that, the trailers aren't gonna have all those juicy marketing buzz words.

[@zrevan4262]

Batman arkham series , asylum city origins and knight are my jam. I love those and was not even looking forward to this one... city and knight are my fave

[@TMoore123]

It seemed something changed from the original gameplay premiere to what we got now. It looks different and I think there were pivots in the direction.

[@tasjalo1411]

Nope. The game play in the demos, showed a mission you can do later, Mr. Freeze's Arc. Skill Up got a lot wrong, but I'm glad many more reviews are coming out now saying the reviews lied.

[@TMoore123]

@@tasjalo1411 okay it doesn't look terrible to me I think group think is in my play. Looks like a solid 7/10 tbh but not terrible. I just felt when I first saw the game something was different

[@dillpickle1394]

@@tasjalo1411 game is straight garbage

[@tasjalo1411]

@@dillpickle1394 Aww.. is someone upset they can't afford a proper gaming PC?

[@oraclejmt]

@@tasjalo1411 Even on PC it can't hold a steady frame rate. It's a overall bummer. Lack of optimization. Has nothing on hardware.

[@Inogat]

I know the Batman Arkham games never looked realistic but all of this makes it less and less possible to just be immersed and truly FEEL like you're a gotham vigilante. Writing was on the wall from the first moment we saw a gameplay trailer though. Really sad cause Nightwing is in my top 5 favorite characters of all things ever.

[@shinbakihanma2749]

Arkham Knight looked very realistic.

[@handgun559]

Not being able to glide feels so bad. And I'm just watching it.

[@Zeouterlimits]

Another game where I really want to read what it was like to develop, what decisions had to be made, be a fly on the wall etc.

[@jacobsabastian3871]

Absolutely agree. This was their first game in nearly ten years. Would love to see the canceled Arkham knight sequel/suicide squad games. How did this happen?

[@ToaGresh300]

Pre-production actually started 10 years ago

[@deet917]

Just waiting on the “what happened” from Matt mcmuscle at this point.

[@route77productions]

@@jacobsabastian3871 This is pure speculation on my part, but if I had to guess. They got tired on always getting the short end of the stick with every Arkham game they were making. They were doing the Arkham Verse Suicide Squad first and it got cancelled which funnily enough, Rocksteady chose as their next game after their Superman pitch failed. Arkham Legacy was going to be their first full reign Arkham game with no constraints, except Rocksteady wanted WBMontreal to change things according to what they were going to be doing with Suicide Squad. Forcing them to once again basically be Rocksteady's B team. Now no one knows why it got cancelled, whether WB cancelled another Montreal game or WB Montreal said "fuck it, we will do our own game universe then." Or the evil tinfoil hat theory which I don't believe it's true. Rocksteady got Arkham Legacy shut down.

[@yudhveer99]

If they showed me both this and Arkham Knight and didn’t tell me which year they came out in, I would say Arkham Knight came out in 2022 and this trash in 2012 lol

[@JJS595]

Facts

[@SomeUnkindledAsh]

The most hilarious thing abt this review, is that you have 35,000 of that resource and it costs 250 to craft. For some reason that one really got me.

[@TheCheng101]

It definately feel like the left overs of a live service game, the environments feel way to big for single or two player co-op, missions were probably story gated raids. The loot for crafting definately gives it away

[@maineman5757]

The missions are still story gated raids.

[@D0NU75]

It reminds me a lot of Agents of Mayhem as i already commented. AoM also has this horrible unbalanced grind and you expect everything to have real life currency cost but it never comes, it's all a borefest of repetition because it was meant to be a live service akin to Warframe but instead they steered it up with full driving wheel swing into a single player experience and mp at best. I never finished the thing because high level enemies only meant more armor and health and the game is so badly balanced around that that some heroes simply become unviable mid to late game.

[@leramar]

I have to agree with your theory that WB did a hard 180 away from this being a live service game. All the skins, colour variations, gear rarity/load-outs, and excessive currencies just screams live service to me.

[@route77productions]

I have some issues with some points here. 1. I never would've thought someone would complain about having too many crafting materials in a gear based game, I'd rather have more than have to grind 3 hours just to craft a suit. 2. It is not a grind to obtain Knighthood with one character. I got Batgirl's knighthood unlocked before I did the Harley Quinn Mission which is the fourth main mission in the game or Case 01 Mission 4 to be exact. On night 2 if you just do all the premeditated crimes which will take an hour or two and make sure to interrogate enemies so you'll have more the next night. It will be only 8 crimes stopped, you'll need 10. The following night you will have unlocked Knighthood. It is not a grind. I agree about eveything else tho.

[@panamakira]

I wanted to play this game because of the story and it’s Batman related but some of the gameplay stuff you mentioned about unlocking abilities for each character definitely sounds like something I would hate. That sucks 😢

[@BradyHargettOffical]

This game feels like it could and should have been an Arkham like game that we would all be praising, but somewhere someone high up said it had to be a different game and now we have whatever this is.

[@nicholasrodriguez4990]

It’s almost like they’ve never heard of the phrase if it ain’t broke don’t fix it could’ve just made another Arkham game set after the events of Arkham knight such as a Batman beyond game or after the events of origins

[@Macapta]

This review being right next to one in my sub box with a thumbnail "WAY better than you think" is just beautiful.

[@Trepanation21]

Yeah, and getting kicked in the nuts is way better than cartwheeling into razorwire, but it's still terrible.

[@OsmanHasan98]

@@Trepanation21 LOL I'm gonna have to use that one some time 😂

[@MentokTheMindTaker]

Reviews are just opinions. Skill Up recommended Scorn meanwhile most other KZbin critics were dunking on it

[@00HoODBoy]

@@MentokTheMindTaker scorn is less gamey and more artsy though which makes it even more about opinions and less about things you can actually point your finger at and critise. context is always important

[@firefly56embers33]

Had the same thing happened kinda chuckled at that.

[@AdreanStyles09]

This is so accurate, when I got to the Harley Quinn bomb part on hard mode the controls and combat was so frustrating. I like some aspects of the game but man it has problems.

[@robovader7625]

Just those bright flashes when hitting enemies makes this game completely off-limits for me.

[@soulechelon2643]

This really does sound like it was indeed going to be some sort of live service. That "Knighthood" thing, both in its execution and the fact that you gotta do it with every single character, seals it for me. While it's good that they pivoted away from that after seeing so many others fail, they shouldn't have gone down this route in the first place. Edit: Wait, 12:54 so nearly everything else is shared between characters? So...why is Knighthood not? That makes no sense. Glad to hear the writers were on point though. A really good story, at least for me personally, can make a game I normally wouldn't play into something I'd enjoy. But that said, I doubt I'll be getting this one any time soon. 21:35 Literally laughed out loud right here.

[@lixxe3223]

nik how tf is that funny 💀

[@TehNumberOneBigBoss]

The story is as shitty as the rest. Not even that will save this game.

[@GAMINGBLAZE]

Batman not dead he got revived just to get die again in finale . Total joke

[@soulechelon2643]

@@GAMINGBLAZE Dude whether anyone here wants to play the game or not, don't post spoilers.

[@whysoserious4274]

@@TehNumberOneBigBoss the va just killed it for me At this point I'm only here to see court of owls

[@shagaru1234]

health bars and rpg mechanics killed it

[@nokturnallex2160]

Yea apparently the highest difficulty doesn't fix the terrible enemy AI, it just makes them bullet sponges. Might as well just play it on the easiest difficulty at that point to get through it faster.

[@blessanabey8386]

Ubisofts Assassin Creed mentality is fking weird and it's spreading like cancer. Why change your game to the point of not being recognizable by your own fans that made those games popular I don't get it.

[@dr.loomis4221]

I get bummed whenever I see a number pop up over an enemies in a gameplay reveal.

[@akmal94ibrahim]

@@nokturnallex2160 I almost always do this when I realize upping the difficulty only makes them bullet sponges. Playing on easy reduces the amount of slog.

[@shagaru1234]

@@nokturnallex2160 the worst offender is probably takedowns not being instakills like previous games

[@joeysucks102]

Wow kind of surprised skill up didn't mention that pop in at 8:44 I don't doubt that's prevalent throughout the game 👀

[@Shabazza84]

7:50 Does this game not have neutral NPCs in the streets? It looks like a ghost town in the most scenes of your footage.

[@ILostMyKeys]

Congratulations Gotham Knights, you have made me reinstall Arkham City. It's been a while since my last playthrough so it's going to be a good weekend!

[@russian_pwn_u]

currently replaying arkham knight, but city is still my favorite out of the trilogy :^)

[@grahamwade5932]

Jealous! I need to start over with asylum at some point. What a trilogy

[@sxerwin]

@@russian_pwn_u I dont understand the love for arkham city. The graphics are ew and arkham knight was much prettier (obviously) and more interesting for me

[@soaringspoon]

@@sxerwin I'm one of the people who hates the hell out of Knight. Can't stand the car it ruined the entire game for me sadly. Love city and love Asylum feel like the graphics hold up in the sense of style and art direction.

[@Jozombies115]

@@soaringspoon Do you upgrade the car? I usually max it out and have no problems with the car combat.

[@wwemusicfanC]

And people are defending this and the new Saints Row, saying the controls, combat and story are "great" and "amazing". Like what you like, but at least be honest that most of these modern AAA games can barely hold a candle to games of the 2010's or even the early 2000's

[@zacharynyberg7007]

Remember when they keep saying reason games need to go up in price is because it helps with development..... I’m not seeing it. In fact. Gaming is getting EVEN worse. Oh and edit here: Warner bros has this thing with either adding micros later or trying to be sneaky about it. So Mabye it’ll come to this game later

[@ricgus3]

I hope there are a "rework" patch that tones down the grind and spammy enemies so people can enjoy the story, in 6-10 month I would guess

[@theguywhowentthere3346]

exactly, i have every game in the rocksteady series and just got origins and it's... okay? But 5 bucks means I got a steal and can't wait for the epic boss fights I heard it has. This is easily a steam sale for me next year or later.

[@teenxtcy]

@@theguywhowentthere3346 origins wasn't made by rocksteady it was made by wb montreal the same people that made this game gotham knights

[@PlusOne2Crit]

@@teenxtcy I don't think they were saying Origins is made by Rocksteady. Their wording just wasn't great.

[@SilverKen15]

lmao no bro this game cant just patch itself into quality.

[@oximine]

Can’t wait to buy a deluxe edition in a few years on sale when they’ll have everything unlocked! Hopefully the devs will listen to reviews and fix things

[@ItsZim0]

Hopefully by then the devs overhauled the grinding mechanics. They have good story going on here to an otherwise shitty loot and progression system.

[@MattVSin]

14:42 THEY FLY NOW? THEY FLY NOW!

[@unfortunatecircumstances8870]

Oh dear god no

[@qu1253]

I had a feeling this would happen with the new consoles. All the backwards compatible games would be 60 fps and it'd be awesome; then the new gen exclusive games would start coming and it'd be right back to 30 fps. Sadly I don't see this ever changing because pretty graphics are way more marketable than high frame rates.

[@jespelibyr]

Gotham Knights isn't really a good example for this kind of speculation. This game doesn't even have pretty graphics or anything to justify the performance. It's just absolutely horribly optimized.

[@stevebreslin4347]

​@@jespelibyr

[@jonathankhan7184]

They definitely saw what happened to avengers and were too deep in development to change most things

[@yaboimohaimin2079]

We totally didn't see this coming Not in a million years Definitely.

[@Beyondthebat89]

Idk people are always upset with something nowadays. People are going to hate it without even playing it. It sucks thats the landscape we live in today. Im so glad we're getting something thats not Batman focused. As a huge Batman fan this is for the fans of the characters. While I do have my gripes like why does Jason look like someone from Jarhead and you could eat dinner on Dicks chin overall I think it sets out what it strives to achieve. I love the Arkham games but one big problem I had was the bulkiness of every damn character in that game. Theres def some good ideas here it just needs to be refined a little more.

[@ytubeanon]

my gripes: - I did loathe the "interrogation" mechanic, I'd scan enemies, none of them reported as being 'interrogable', I'd grab enemies mashing 'interrogate', giving up and resign to smashing their brains in... I still have early level interrogation quests while late in the game - I hadn't thought about the lack of jump or "snap-to" nature of traversal lol - while driving, if I tilted the camera slightly upward it was infinitely easier to see the ground direction markers, but the game will always force the camera back down - there was one driving part, which I'm sure everyone experienced, where you follow markers and drive out of some narrow structure area directly into the corner of building, which is completely unavoidable, wtf designed that however, after seeing such a backlash and so many negative reviews I've sort of wanted to defend this underdog of a game which has some good qualities (I enjoyed the story elements), but out of the critical feedback I've seen this video was probably among the more fair

[@adamhradil7923]

I wish there were more reviewers as good as skill up. Watching other reviewers struggle to put together a coherent sentence, unable to explain even such basic things like why they like or dislike something about a game makes me appreciate this channel so much.

[@MrEL91N]

I love Shills writing cus it feels so natural and fluid. He clearly explains his thoughts on a game and does so in a way that doesn’t feel forced or stiff.

[@Wisppp_]

Is ACG a joke to you? 😂

[@jacen8425]

What reviewers struggle to form coherent sentences?

[@DREADDWELLER]

He and ACG are the GOATs. Straight to the point, informative, actual performance metrics on PC, never forget to talk about audio, test on different rigs. I particularly like how structured ACG's reviews are, Skill Up is also better at this than most reviewers but not quite as concise as ACG.

[@YourBlackLocal]

I always hate vague comments like this. Put others down to praise someone while also being vague, to the point of not actually saying anything meaningful.

[@CriseExistentielleGaming]

I love that you include a technical review in your videos, it seems essential to me but its rare

[@Globodyne]

They really are mandatory at this point.

[@flyingplantwhale545]

Been playing it for about 10 hours and, honestly, I find it a really good game to chill out to. The city is beautifully lit, with tons of nice landmarks, beautiful reflections, sharp and detailed textures. There's a strong mood to the environment that, in several districts, evokes images of "The Batman" movie. The boss battles, in many instances, are quite uninspired health sponges and some of the dialogue feels a bit lame. That said, going out on patrol, stopping random crimes (which there is a decent variety of), and hitting a story mission or two is a damn good time. Another thing is, how awesome and varied the different suits are for each character. Crafting a new one and getting to change the design of the various pieces is a really nice addition. I feel like, for those who may not be as tired from the open world formula (like myself) and want to get immersed in the world of Gotham, it's a pretty good time! I've only tried Red Hood so far and the delayed heavy punches are really satisfying once you get into his flow of combat. I got the game on a deep sale and find myself really happy with the purchase. Performance-wise, playing it on my Series S, the 30fps is extremely stable, with near-perfect frame pacing and almost no drops, ever. It's a smooth, stable experience as of now and looks super sharp to boot. Is it the next Batman Masterpiec?. Surely not. But if you separate it from the Arkham franchise and take it for what it is, a superhero Open world action game, it's certainly not the worst thing ever, as so many attention-hungry youtubers would like to suggest, basically regurgitating each other's audience-tested narrative.

[@casuallyspelic9145]

I feel like having to use DLSS performance mode, mid/high setting, and 1440p and barely getting 60 is pretty rough.

[@EdwardKenway-lr5tl]

Aw man, I wanted this to be good as Origins was pretty underrated and WB Montreal is a good studio, they should've just continued that story

[@blessanabey8386]

Origins was great but not as good as the rocksteady made games but atleast the core gameplay mechanics was there but here it is feels like an unrecognizable inferior bastard child of a Noble House lol.

[@shawnaniganz9808]

>WB Montreal is a good studio lol

[@NoxaClimaxX]

WB Montreal knows how to craft good stories, but as Arkham Origins indicated, they haven’t figured out how to create balanced experiences.

[@blessanabey8386]

@@shawnaniganz9808 Eh the older dev people are gone probably, and I'm not sure of the Rocksteadys new game either Suicide Squad killing the justice league or whatever it's called.

[@DannsProductions]

@@NoxaClimaxX I still found ORIGINS to be a bit shaky at times. They borrowed the Arkham formula (mechanics) by Rocksteady to make ORIGINS and they had help from them. They never made a game on their own so this is basically the first one they do without any help.

[@wile123456]

The controls is so sad. Arkham Knight had such amazing controls when it comes to dropping down and moving stealthy

[@Jza-GZa]

Made by a different studio

[@CerpinTxt87]

@@Jza-GZa 🤷‍♀

[@Igor19485]

@@Jza-GZa Yea it's made by the studio that made Arkham Origins which is way more polished and made with much more love than this boring live service ass game.

[@MrPerfect2000Z]

@@Igor19485 Most of Arkham Origins is copy and pasted from Arkham City though

[@erykaldo2l270]

@@MrPerfect2000Z Arkham origins is the worst game in the whole arkham series

[@bergaros]

No controller vibration in combat? Not even the slightest vibration? Not even when using abilities? Why would they make such a choice?

[@richardduska1558]

12:45 Yeah you are correct. This reaks from the Marvel Avangers game formula. You can practicly smell the microtransaction that supposed to be there (for 5$ unlock flight early on). Also the drone thing is...odd. Since we had collectables in the ARkham games but no restrictions to them. It was ether a puzzle that needed to be solved or you just destroyed it. No waiting for it to land BS. Why couldn't they just do that? I just don't get it.

[@caret_shell]

5:27 Shoutout to the Test Team and the business leaders who apparently allocated enough time and resources to make a relatively bug-free game at launch. That's impressive in this day and age, regardless of the game's other issues.

[@nousername2942]

Easy to do when the entire gameplay loop is doing handsprings and smacking people with sticks

[@caret_shell]

@@nousername2942 I have to disagree - when the gameplay loop is that simple, it's easy for management to cut the testing time down even more so that it STILL has bugs on launch.

[@nousername2942]

@@caret_shell Exactly. Doing the absolute bare minimum and testing your game isn't a congratulatory achievement.

[@thedude8128]

Framerate doesn't even stay at 30fps on console. Terrible frame pacing as well makes it very unplayable. Check digital Foundrys break down. It's pretty sad what the Devs did. Their arrogance is what brought them here. Actually thinking they are good and not the world's budget devs due to tax breaks and subsidy by the local government. Who wouldve thought the game would be this bad? Almost everybody did. Lols

[@tjandhuri]

don't praise the bare minimum

[@TheSwampDonkey]

I had a feeling something seemed off with this game. Glad I waited. Man, this is one of the cleanest Gotham games I have ever seen and by clean, I mean no trash flying around the city. Go back and play the other games and you will see what I am referring to. Even Origins. : )

[@andrewvazquez9557]

Origins was just the Best honestly, people who trash it are not fans of the Batman games

[@granatengeorg]

@@andrewvazquez9557 That is a highly reductive statement for no reason. „Guess since I didn’t like it the most I was not a fan of the series afterall, sad to learn that but at least now I know.“

[@Skikopl]

@@andrewvazquez9557 your thesis is right but your argument is bad. I think Origins is my personal favorite after Knight. Origins is just more City, but I feel like it expanded upon City enough to be called a great game. Origins has the second best story in the arkham series. It's a great game.

[@TheAntsh]

Calculating and rendering lying/flying junk negatively affected already low fps so they decided to scrap it

[@bill9068]

@@TheAntsh maybe If the game wasn't locked at 30 fps they wouldn't have to.

[@LukeNineK]

The gear/loot system (atleast let me customize the transmogs so I dont have to look like a pirate) and the later spongey enemies are my only real gripes with the game.

[@MrMozkoZrout]

What about the coop that this game was supposed to be also a lot about, how does that work ? is it at least a bit more fun with friends ?

[@nono-ch8oy]

Aren't Batgirl and Nightwing supposed to be fast and nimble? They look so sluggish.

[@cainyourkids]

I wanted to see more acrobatic stuff from Nightwing especially

[@TheDRBC]

Those character menus look like they were ripped straight from a mobile game 🤯 Great review as always!!

[@UltraFlea]

Reminds me a lot of DCU Online game in looks and function with some singleplayer mechanics

[@danrose9726]

This was definitely meant to be live service All the issues unfortunately makes sense in a live service

[@ALL_that_ENDS]

Now besides Gameranx, I absolutely take skill up recommendations to heart.. If he says skip it, I skip it. That's a level of honesty I respect.

[@4TheWinQuinn]

Gameranx is good but they are so SOY.

[@superalatreon1]

Sad how so many modern game devs don't understand the importance of making sure the core gameplay loop is FUN. We play games to enjoy PLAYING them, but somehow gameplay often takes a backseat in terms of priority... Then they wonder why people don't enjoy their game 🙄

[@Youngblaise2]

Might just play it as Batgirl only. Is that possible? Or will they force you to swap to characters I haven't used at certain times?

[@GusbusGaming]

You can use just a single character and the game is the most 7 of 7s possible. Also I'd mess with the settings and make the hud look a little cleaner which is very easy and simple to do in the settings menu.The game is pretty fun you'll probably enjoy it.

[@Youngblaise2]

@@GusbusGaming thanks for the useful reply

[@michaelsakells169]

I'll for a steam sale. I have an rtx 3070 and a ryzen 5 5600x so I don't know how that is going to run if this game not well optimized, though I do appreciate it not being buggy at launch.