SKTAR 3 - Mew2King (Sheik, Marth) Vs. Mango (Fox, Falco) - Losers Finals

[@ThatISFalco]

"He definitely looked like an amphibian." -D1 on Mango getting "dissected"

[@BassAsLeaders]

Best commentaters ever

[@MixJunkie360]

really? because I thought shut the fuck up D1. what are you talking about?!!! lol

[@vantablack7512]

MixJunkie360 yeah and here he wasn't contributing to the conversation. He was just saying random stuff.

[@xD1x]

MixJunkie360 I apologize, but I was alluding to frogs that usually get dissected. Frogs are amphibians.

[@BassAsLeaders]

i found it pretty entertaing actually

[@comatthew6]

Remember when Mango used to not be fat?

[@ElSeimer]

Its all on the beard

[@michaelrubino5897]

It comes with being a dad

[@MrShadow1995.]

Plus the dude drinks I doubt he exercises lol. He's coo tho

[@archivelibrarian6818]

i got good news for you 8 years later

[@comatthew6]

@@archivelibrarian6818 peloton stocks going up baby

[@iAMnatnyle]

6:25 legendary

[@green3487]

6:26 M2K was so fast it looked like it was sped up

[@ElSeimer]

No frame to lose

[@Casual_Sloth]

Major respect for both Mew2King and Mango. Two incredibly skilled players going head and head... outstanding fight.

[@FlynnLeese]

Mew2King's Marth seems slightly different in this set. I like it.

[@briantubbs4192]

I think its because Mango was different, way more predictable in this set than usual.

[@ERGTDK]

Brian Tubbs He wasn't being more predictable, M2K was just playing better than him during this set

[@clarencefalcon5451]

9:18 "he definitely looked like an amphibian" lolol I was faded when I read this

[@kimcheeseller]

What a throwback. I felt like I was seeing the M2K of old here. And I fucking loved it. He needs to have more confidence in his Marth.

[@clem5419]

Now this set is a throwback

[@OmarKingBolt17]

12:23 " will he go super saiyan, is he jaylen" lol lost it

[@WesleyImboden]

I actually didn't get it till i read this comment for some reason lol

[@DirEnRefused]

Wow, I just realised Mew2king doesn't get touched for Mango's last two stocks in Game 2.

[@TylerC_]

10:30 There was no benefit to nair. Reverse Dolphin Slash would've been better AND cooler. It was simply a wrong decision.

[@davidcampos2615]

+Chunskuru I see you too have watched the Smash Summit Commentary Highlights ;)

[@Dankyjrthethird]

+Chunskuru looool

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

Mango would have been able to shine in that particular spot. Or he would have gotten a weak hit, or none because he reversed.

[@Dlord1PlayStation]

He was probably worried that Mang0 would get out of hitstun before he could land a sweet-spotted dolphin splash.

[@danielsmith5032]

6:28 is what separates Mew2King from all other Marths and why I believe he's the best (at least vs spacies). That is an absolutely brutal ending to a stock

[@trevordollinger6569]

I don't think the first 2-3 matches commentary were hype enough, I mean i love frog and d1 but I felt it was a bit "too" analytic for Mango vs M2K losers finals

[@trevordollinger6569]

***** I know lol that's the joke

[@xD1x]

I'm all about the hype, but we've heard from numerous players that gameplay analysis was lacking in the past. I think at this point I've come to the realization that no matter if I try to be too hype, or too analytical...I'll never please everyone. I'm still trying to find that right balance though. #KeepsTruckin

[@trevordollinger6569]

xD1x Honestly I really do appreciate your analytic commentary but that is better used on matches in winners and loser quarters between two high skill players, but not two top five players in losers finals or grand finals. Honestly I don't think anyone cares about analysis in grand finals or losers finals between these two because they have seen them play so many times that you've already analysed what they do, and it seems everyone already knows this. I just feel as if grand finals and losers finals are time to let loose and have a little fun, we had the rest of the streamed bracket matches to listen to analytic commentary. Don't take it hard, I mean you guys weren't able to even see feedback if the viewers were liking what you were doing because of shitty mlgtv. I think mlgtv should be a no-go next time and every time after, it'd look bad if you admitted it I understand D1 but I know you're reading this and you agree, hahahaha.

[@Prodigial]

xD1x You're one of the best commentators for a reason. You, Prog, Wife, and Scar are my favs (need to see HMW take the mic again too for crazy hype). I would say be analytical in the neutral game and then when some awesome combo happens get hyped. I love your commentary regardless and you should know you do a great job. Can you guys get Twitch or some other service to stream next time though? I couldn't watch the games live and have had to look everything up on KZbin (which sucks b/c I can see in the videos who's in grand finals and know who's gonna win before the match starts).

[@nakodares5982]

xD1x Appreciate you're trying to find the right balance, it definitely does exist though. I think the main issue here was you and Prog seemed to be lacking a bit of chemistry... I think that's the main thing that helps getting an analytic commentary to sound hype and enjoyable. It's why I like watching you and TK, you get a mix of hype and formality (as long as TK doesn't get a bit too hype lol)

[@manLiMarth]

I think this tandem works best when D1 is doing the play-by-play and Prog does the colour commentary (no pun/racism intended). Many professional announcers use this strategy, especially in hockey, and it works very well. I think they do this naturally, but if they were to do this quite consciously I think it would be even better.

[@RidingLines]

Can anyone explain what D1 was talking about at 4:55 regarding "port priority" when mang0 ledge hogged M2K? I assume he must mean controller ports, but does your port placement influence your priority in such situations during the match?

[@heatherdurrans1784]

Gavin McMillan it does if things happen on the same frame, such as if two characters were grabbing each other on the same frame. The player with the lowest port receives the grab. It's unfair, but that's how it is.

[@RidingLines]

Heather Durrans I guess it has to be decided somehow. That's interesting, thanks.

[@YourNeighborTotor0]

"He definitely looked like an amphibian" right on

[@Moxin667]

"Cut right through falco's innards..." Damn, D1. Getting pretty metal with your commentary there.

[@subsanityy]

Prog and D1 are so intelligent in their speech. A little disappointed to not get the analysis we're all used to seeing from prog.

[@karkatvantas3351]

Does anyone else get hype for gourmet race?

[@Ferntendo]

+Karkat Vantas o/

[@Oromia64]

Always

[@alannamceachin8777]

Clap

[@choknater]

Dair it is? lmao

[@broski981]

Mew2king played better in this tournament than i've ever seen

[@favourites4]

What does sktar stand for?

[@Dharokness]

Adam Smith Super Keitaro, Keitaro is the host of these events.

[@mannyblaine5577]

Mango looking like a vampire without his beard.

[@ItMustBeFate1]

I guess M2k finally remember that his Dair is a spike after that heartbreaking loss a few weeks back at F4P

[@nakodares5982]

Man what was wrong with Prog at this tourney...

[@Trance_Kitsune]

I noticed the same thing and would like to know myself. He seemed very irritated/unfriendly about D1's commentary. It slightly reminded me of some of Papa Paint's remarks during the commentary at Civil War 6.. Not very professional..

[@MaestroCasts]

He's a pretty annoying commentator.

[@iTelluWHHOT]

This was the end of a 2 day tourney, and they both put mad hours into commentary so he's obviously tired. Prog is a great commentator and really compliments D1's style

[@0omitcho0]

***** Johning for commentary, only in smash lol. I honestly don't think prog is very good, but D1 is great. Prog has a weird habit of trying to make eye contact with the person he's commentating with, instead of looking at the camera or at least near it to emulate talking to the audience. Don't take this as an insult to him or anything. I just think that if we're going for professionalism in smash streams, we should try and be similar to other professional commentators. It also seems a little bit awkward. Staring into your fellow commentators eyes while you're both trying to commentate a match. I also don't like that prog kind of expects d1 to finish his sentences, it just seems a bit too in the moment and not d1 seems to be kind of phased by it a lot of the time.

[@MaestroCasts]

Prog is a little pretentious, a little cheesy, not very natural, and doesn't have a very good voice. D1 I don't think of as particularly special, but he at least comes off as just letting his personality flow naturally.

[@trobertw]

How did these 2 end up in 'losers finals'

[@StarTard8]

Hey wait a sec, did I see MilkTea in the audience!?

[@RedX753]

Yup representing for smash 4 as well :D

[@foamer4068]

where?

[@Killopotamus]

Those Marth fundamentals are too strong. Chain grabs, throw off stage down tilt, ken combo. All in just a few seconds.

[@matthewgrant8483]

anyone else notice that guy yawn at 0:15?

[@PinkShoesAreSnazzy]

+Matthew Grant it's.................... a yawn. a true kodak moment

[@bratkartoffeln123456]

9:46 dat aint 2pac

[@Vastspartan]

God damn, look at PPMD's face at the end of the second set.

[@iSpeakTheTruthish]

i feel like the crowd is the same in every smash video lol

[@michaelk9080]

Has Mango ever mentioned why he never goes for Puff anymore?

[@SJtheMFZB]

Because his Puff is no longer top level.

[@michaelk9080]

Thanks guys :)

[@ds4433]

m2k's marth finally returning to form

[@TheCanon66]

We should have PAL Fox. NTSC Fox's up-B is just a tad too ridiculous.

[@ERGTDK]

TheCanon66 Oh yeah. It's the UP-B that makes him good Kappa

[@deandix5654]

ERGTDK It's not the Up-B that makes him good, but it's what puts him above Falco. Sure, shine is ridiculous and so are U-Smash/U-Air kills, but then again Falco can get even easier, longer, and more reliable kills off of shine, and Falco doesn't get hurt by counterpicks as much as Fox, being able to take more advantage of FD against Marth than Fox. The only thing that is really terrible about Falco is his recovery.

[@deandix5654]

Dean Dix I'm aware that that's the PM approach to things: nerf the good things, don't buff the less good ones lol. We should really just give Falco Fox's NTSC Up-B

[@abcdefghijk890989098]

Dean Dix Recovery is not what puts Fox above falco....

[@ERGTDK]

abcdefghijk890989098 Also falco has a better recovery because his SIde B starts up faster

[@trevorgruden6932]

so..... who put them in losers?!?!?!

[@MrWingzeroo]

Ppmd who at early 2014 was looking super sharp

[@asellape9270]

PPMD did

[@BassAsLeaders]

''where was the DI? is this smash 64?'' dont get me wrong there is DI in SSB64

[@hyugatakagi3307]

What the commentators meant was that there is no "normal melee" DI in SSB64. The only type of DI present in SSB64 is smash DI.

[@xD1x]

Hyuga Takagi Exactly.

[@BassAsLeaders]

Hyuga Takagi oh okay I didn't knew that

[@trevordollinger6569]

Hyuga Takagi You sure about it being only SDI? I thought it was not sdi but you just had to continuously flick the control stick instead of holding it down, I didn't think it was sdi tho

[@Airking090]

trevor dollinger that's sdi

[@NoBigDealMedia]

D1, I'm sorry but a drill shine to nair is not an "amazing" combo

[@QuisPiss]

m2k super on point this set

[@lucazdelion]

wow, M2K lost a thousand edge guards at game 1

[@iSpeakTheTruthish]

i always see duck in the background and the girl in the red

[@samuelvibritannia4831]

"dair it is"

[@GrandAbolisher]

Yo, those Street FIghter Alpha and Capcom vs SNK 2 references. Good shit homie. Also, Mew2King, shave that nasty neck beard.

[@il100374]

It ain't nasty haha

[@souljaboytellem4474]

Mew2King is fairly handsome.

[@kirjian]

dair? DAIR IT IS

[@dextros6229]

DAIR IT IS!

[@michaeldinh2449]

Mew2king will prob never be this good again.

[@BrickNGames]

+Michael Dinh He beat Mango at The Big House 5... 3-0

[@michaeldinh2449]

At this tourny he beat Armada also but lost to him at the Big House 5 also along with hungrybox. This mew2king could prob beat hungry box 60% of the time our current one would beat him 30-40 percent of the time.

[@abcdefghijk890989098]

+Michael Dinh Mew2king is definitely better now than ever

[@michaeldinh2449]

Better in comparison I should say

[@asellape9270]

+Michael Dinh right now?

[@wudduplele]

Mango is not half dominant as he used to be. He is so bad now.

[@flyingpotato3]

people have just gotten hip to his spacing tricks. take note how "mango pressure" is now industry standard. he just can't go dumb against the other gods anymore because in this case he'll just get lamed out.

[@chis5050]

"so bad now" LOL. He had won like 4 tourneys with m2k straight before sktar

[@Madbutcher305]

***** Yeah, Mango is good, he just actually has to think about how he plays now against the gods, especially Armada. His more patient style at MLG was definitely the right kind of adaptation.

[@villevallo5222]

Yeah, he's so bad. =( Only won the MLG Anaheim and Evo 2014. Bad.

[@chis5050]

Yeah this post is just funny now LOL

[@ThePharphis]

As a Marth fan, 8:18 and 11:10 made me wet

[@robertj8062]

This gets boring after a while :/

[@Athesies]

What does?

[@SexyFace]

so does everything.

[@cafehimalaya]

Mango is so bad