'No question' France ‘let Australia down’ on $90 billion submarine program

Independent Senator Rex Patrick says there is no question the French “let Australia down” when it comes to the $90 billion submarine program which was scrapped.
“The French are probably rightfully disturbed that they didn’t get given notice,” he told Sky News host Peta Credlin.
“But there's no question that the French have let Australia down in relation to this program.
“It went from $50 billion to a $90 billion program. It was delayed - the last two milestones were 10 and eight months respectively late.
“We weren't meeting expectations in relation to Australian industry content and it’s not clear we were going to get a regionally superior submarine, which is what we contacted for.”

[@ernestbywater411]

Funny how the French failure to meet agreed performance milestones is OK but the activation of an exit option due to those failures is a 'stab in the back.'

[@superancientmariner1394]

France is probably more miffed because the new deal involves the UK.

[@bhow3262]

Yep they literally hate the UK, the fact that the UK were the 'go to' country for the US and discussed all this in total privacy, really really hurts them.

[@MrKarlyboy]

Besides that the UK has just achieved Quantum Encryption and Communications, and that causes a HUGE headache for China and Russia. Morrison made a slight reference to that. British are world class on surveillance and monitoring, even the Americans know that.

[@Veritas-invenitur]

I will give credit to the British concerning their surveillance and monitoring technologies. They are one of the bests in the world. I still think that the USA surpasses everyone in the field. But I don’t know that for a fact.

[@Biosynchro]

Very interesting. I must do some research here. Once again, the British lead in cryptography, it seems!

[@weeguy52]

I would say there always on par with eachother when it comes to most tech

[@S.P.A.R.K.Y.]

Think you Auzies best listen to your ancestors this time, up on that "tiny island"!

[@trevorhart545]

@@S.P.A.R.K.Y. From UK with 3 family groups as Australians. Work together within the Commonwealth but as equals. We all can learn from each other.

[@stevebridges5828]

The French don’t know what a days work is. Had the Australians continued with the contract its highly unlikely anything would ever have been delivered.

[@Ezekiel903]

you are puppets from the US!! they say you what you have to buy! don't expect any help from France in case of a dramatic evolution!!

[@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935]

@@Ezekiel903 it was a shit deal on our part mate, 40-90 billion for diesel subs? We should've gotten nuclear powered subs top of the line instead of these subs that would've be out dated by time we got them.

[@charlesfrogg1]

The French were able to turn their car industry on its head and come up with a line of new cars that no one else in the world except the French will buy. Given time and the whole of the Australian annual budget who knows what the French could have come up with ??? Even a 2050 version of the old "K" class submarine might have come out of the Normandy shipyards. Either way the Subs are a waste of money and will be outdated within a decade when they will only serve as targets for totally autonomous robotic hunter killer submarines without a crew.

[@americanmade6996]

@@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935 Don't bother with creepy joe--he's a Chinese troll. "dramatic evolution" is one of those telltale Chinese mis-translations.

[@haldorasgirson9463]

They were working overtime (36 hours a week) on the project. Who could ask for anything more?

[@tinkertailor7385]

Should've been ditched years ago actually. The moment the Chinese built the Nuclear Yin class SSBN's actually.

[@totorvdr5994]

You should've member of the gouvernment at that time ! All would have been so simple.

[@coconuciferanuts339]

It was Turnbull who built the French sub.contract!Say no more.

[@oldman2800]

Turdball and pissweak pine

[@capitainebonhomme1609]

Send Turnbull the $3b cost to cancel

[@ItortIsawapuddycat]

It was a liberal government that did it . Another stuff up fir the ages .

[@samhunt9380]

A nice little earner for him, under the counter.....

[@linmal2242]

@@samhunt9380 I bet he and Mrs supped well at lots of fine dining in Gay Paris on the tax dollar!

[@weebee6922]

Well, as an ex- LA class submarine-r, I must admit that Diesel Boats are really good in green water. But for blue water sailing and being effective for long range deployment, nuke is the real deal. Put in with that that the French were dragging along the deal to milk the land of Oz for extra billions, it is a good thing that your gov switched supplier. Having said that I believe you should have just cut the deal first and awaited a couple months or a year to announce a new one. That way you could have told Macron to bugger off, if he is still around.

[@Doggieman1111]

Not enough time, the Chinese economy is taking a long shit and the CCP wants to militarize its populace so that said populace doesn't turn against the CCP.

[@jamesdouglaswhittaker1811]

@Snow Flakes Agree except in my view we turned our backs more than slightly Good. and right we can get back together again. All power to all elbows

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

The French nearly doubled the price before they'd even laid a keel. The worst part is - Even the Communist Chinese are smarter businessmen than the French! They might sell you garbage, but at least you'll get something for your money before they try & double the price...

[@hokitika4888]

The French sub deal should have been dumped as soon as Turnbullshit was dumped as PM ,nothing show's his gross incompetance like the sub deal

[@zisssssou]

I wonder how all trolls around will react when Morrison will lose the next elections... With a possible new pm potentially scrapping the aukus deal and trying to rebuild confidence with the EU and France. Who will u blame.. China, France, the lefties, Russia, Martians? Lol

[@blardymunggas6884]

Forget FR, who wanna take a bet that this whole nuclear powered subs deal will end up in a dustbin. Aus lost everything and the tax payers will make Morrison filthy rich.

[@harryeisermann2784]

N subs are outdated technology, simple as thst. Subs are outated, can be detected from space, under water, its crazy

[@blardymunggas6884]

@@harryeisermann2784 Nuclear subs leaves a trail. Apparently Sky News journalist did not know that🤣🤣

[@harryeisermann2784]

@@blardymunggas6884 outdated technology, can be seen from space, new technogy drone subs

[@pomaze1]

We didn’t like the sound of FAUKUS, so we dropped the F. 🤣🤣🤣🦘🦘🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@r33gts]

😂😂😂😂👍

[@totorvdr5994]

Already read elsewhere. Change your jokes.

[@axle.australian.patriot]

That's why we got the F out of the sub deal..

[@RTmadnesstoo]

@m n As if the rest of the World cares what it sounds like 'in french'.

[@RTmadnesstoo]

@m n What a pathetic Moron. Throwing 'racist' in there makes you sound desperate.

[@jaytheman9271]

I worked in Cherbourg. I am French, as well as Australian, citizen. I worked there for less than 3 months before being sacked. That's awful. But lots of people there were just awful, horrible people.

[@totorvdr5994]

Which people were awful ? Naval Group ?

[@garethwigglesworth8187]

@@totorvdr5994 the French

[@arnaudsurribas2963]

Liar

[@zisssssou]

I don't believe one word about what u're saying and i bet your only french is googletranslate one. Get your like from trolls bye.

[@totorvdr5994]

Don't understand . You write you're French ... what were your problems ? I guess that if you were sacked, your opinion must be relativised ?

[@bluestar2253]

Back in the 1980s, during my trip to Southampton, England, I remember a British veteran told me he rather face the Germans in front than have the French in the back!

[@elfpimp1]

My grandfather said the same!! 😁👍

[@philipwood9526]

No need to worry the French wont be there.

[@adorablyadorable5665]

There are Right Leaning Freedom loving non-socialist French.

[@sebyseby7995]

he didnt mention that was a 3somes?

[@theSFCchannel]

My dad said similar except he would rather face Germans at the front but NEVER have the Americans as back up=======FRIENDLY FIRE

[@barriewilliams4526]

The English longbow was always superior to the French crossbow anyhow...😁

[@et1249]

The French owe Australia compensation for wasting our time.

[@capitainebonhomme1609]

And Turnbull owes Australia $3b for signing the contract

[@totorvdr5994]

Just BS

[@hylimm]

Maybe you want to incorporate everything which weren’t there in the original contract

[@zisssssou]

The problem is not the end of the France-Australia contract, the problem is the way Australia ended their contract with France. Australia simply didn't inform France, playing a double-game with the USA and making lose money and time to Australia and France. So, yes, there will be an expensive compensation and not in Australia favor my friend.

[@midgetydeath]

And driving up costs. Probably artificially to milk more money.

[@0cgw]

The UK and US currently share nuclear sub technology. I suspect that developments by one country cannot be transferred to another nation without the agreement of the country that developed the technology (e.g., I understand that US subs use British technology in their propulsion systems). I expect that means that the agreement to transfer nuclear sub technology to Australia needed to include both the UK and US for any technology transfer in this area to go ahead.

[@linmal2242]

And fair enuf !

[@raysubsonic]

True. Definitely a Tripartate Agreement.

[@TheBooban]

UK bits are minimal and just need an “ok”. US part is the reactor which is the most important. I agree with the senator, you wouldn’t need the UK for this sub deal. A UK sub is more suitable for Australia. But it won’t be Astute.

[@MrFlatage]

@Arthur Humphreys Nice fantasy. Shame there is no proof.

[@MrFlatage]

@Arthur Humphreys Sorry my facist 'friend' but? You cannot make me look up anything. Else I go to Gulag? Your words, your claim so your Burden of Proof. Part of every democratic constitution on this planet. Proof your innocent else the State will re-educated you. Not in my lands of the free you commie! My red, white and blue prevents your lies. Your lie:'US uses no technology from the UK in its nuclear sub fleet'. CRS Report RL32418 proves you wrong and now posted? We can all read how the US submarine fleet does in fact uses UK technology. Or we can proof read the SIPRI database? Under Freedom of Information ofcourse. So anyone who has freedom can freely now proof read from the official sources. Classical proven fact propaganda stated in the FY20 NSA report to US Congress. Ofcourse a UK program doesn't prove anything the US submarines use! Really thought people would fall for that disinformation? Facts always win comrade.

[@JL-cx3sr]

France didn’t let Australia down - they were trying to stitch you up……..

[@philipwood9526]

France didnt want this contract or they would have cracked on with it,

[@trevermcdonald2402]

Philip. The French did want the contract but didn’t want Australian involvement in the manufacture other than the cash.

[@DavesShed]

@@trevermcdonald2402 So they wanted a differfent contract. Not the one the client wanted.

[@dominicc3521]

As a Briton, I would say… Bugger the frogs.

[@lungha9827]

Totally concur…

[@ScoobyKong]

just playing the role they play best... being petulant at the un-frenchiness of others..

[@miyahtallulah]

Why? I mean, why?

[@dominicc3521]

@@miyahtallulah I’ll give you one word. Eurofighter. Do some research if you want.

[@independent5564]

As an American I know Australia has our back just as we do theirs and they should have the best subs to do the job of defending the free world.

[@ronaldestrada649]

Getting less & less free by the month

[@arroeducarlion4990]

america never has anyones back lets be brutally honest america just uses australians as cannon fodder in its endless wars of terror

[@vaibhavkulkarni5456]

Free world.. for whom? And - "Arming the Talib@ni Terr0rists" and running from Afghanistan, is this the free world definition of yours?

[@yfelwulf]

America is Australia's worst enemy. What shite AUS had the option to buy the French Nuclear Sub and turned it down as TOO EXPENSIVE, *Australia did not have the facilities to handle them including refuelling* And lacked the technical expertise to operate them. America does not even have a child's drawing to offer. This means a new Class BOUGHT OFF PAPER that led to the Collins Class underperforming. This is simply Israelistan 🇺🇲 exercising it's authority over its Vassal Australia. 290 billion borrowed for Covid at least 100 years to pay it back 270 billion in Weapon purchases and now this Fiasco. America has not made a successful anything in 20 years all its current vessels are total disasters. Your grand children's grand children will be paying America into the 23 century. This is why they don't want AUS to trade with CHINA if we can make money elsewhere we won't need them.

[@jorgemanso521]

@@yfelwulf Human history... a life full of problems...why do we do this? Is there a problem before we are born?…why bring people into this existence then? Ecclesiastes 4:2- And I declared that the dead, are happier than the living… But better is to never have been born… kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJnGYnpnYtqMb68

[@artistjoh]

The French bit off more than they could chew. Unfortunately for them, their incompetence is the worst possible PR for possibilities of future large submarine export orders. Australia using the excuse of dumping them for a better submarine is the best outcome for them because had they been fired for incompetence and missing deadlines that would have been an even bigger PR disaster, and we all know that their submarine planning for Australia was more like Inspector Clouseau than a realistic defense project.

[@Ezekiel903]

Australia is a US puppet like the Brit's, and the French have already Nuclear Subs, it's one of the largest Nuke states in the World, what shit are you talking about??

[@ThatsMrPencilneck2U]

@@Ezekiel903 India makes descent atomic boats, too. The difference is that the US/UK reactors do not need to be refueled for the 33 year lifespan of the ship. French reactors have to be refueled every 5-7 years. Australia does not have a nuclear industry. This is why the French had to redesign their ship to run on diesel and battery, and probably why the French ships are still not under construction after all these years. To sell Australia an American or British atomic boat, both the US and UK have to sign off on the deal. The US and UK nuclear programs have been connected since the Manhattan Project.

[@Evermoregreen23451]

@@Ezekiel903 the under performance of the French to deliver. What don’t you understand?

[@Ezekiel903]

@@ThatsMrPencilneck2U Australia has no Industry at all, compare it with Swiss!! doesn't matter, Australia has broken a contract, only because of the US lobby, the Italian frigate won the US trials, the US did everything to stop it, but they had no success, now their next frigate will be italian, AIRBUS won the trail for a Tanker plane, Boeing with the help from the Lobby was able to stop the contract, like they did in Australia! they have not the best technology, only the best lobbyist.

[@stephen10.]

@@ThatsMrPencilneck2U Frenchnuclear sub is refuelled every 10 years because they use uranium low grade for security in case of explosion. US sub uses military grade uranium very radioactiv in case of explosion. Don't say that it 's a problem of technology

[@dadmadforgot4050]

Good on the Ozzies! Great decision.

[@fersuremaybek756]

90 billion...it was meant to be a 39 billion deal can already see why they backed out of it. unless it is an australian tradition to get ripped off.

[@Veritas-invenitur]

Military projects almost always far exceeds the original estimate. It’s just how it works.

[@fersuremaybek756]

@@Veritas-invenitur yeah that is normally the military spending it on stup!d sh!t, this on the other hand is the french increasing the price as well as not delivering anything in that time frame as well as LEAKING the subs manuals etc online. so yeah siding with the french on this is siding on the dodgy repair man who doesn't even do the job.

[@vessluvsyou52]

Since 2016 till the start of 2021, they NEVER even started a design… nuclear subs were always the better option

[@vessluvsyou52]

Footnote. The uk have the trident class nuke sub. As far as efficiency goes the uk have the advantage over the outdated US subs not for long though

[@scaramanga7587]

@@vessluvsyou52 in what kind of deluded world do you live in ?

[@michaelcorbidge7914]

The French nuclear subs are 2nd only to the top rated no expense spared yank submarine. Maybe safer also if lower enriched fuel rods are used .However they have weapon systems not interoperable with USA/UK system. But much specs on the subs is classified, not much is really revealed.

[@krispirtsios8654]

Well... except that Australia historically has had a non nuclear proliferation policy which is why they bought diesel subs in the first place. This has obviously changed overnight.

[@johnnyrvf]

Possibly, if you have the rescources, in infrastructure, technology, personelle and finance to be able to run a fleet of nuclear boats. Australia can’t easily find crews for it’s conventional subs, that doesn’t bode well for the nukes, if they ever arrive. Meanwhile, by breaking the nuclear arms propagation treaty, Australia becomes a target for nuclear missiles, not only from China. Not a smart move.

[@Qingeaton]

The Aussies were very patient with this failed try of France in trying to build them some subs. They were never going to see any water at the rate they were going.

[@catherinegrimes2308]

Are you implying that global warning would dry out the oceans before the submarines were built?

[@richardboote2370]

@@catherinegrimes2308 No, he was implying that the french subs would be safer if they did not see any water!

[@Qingeaton]

@m n Guess someone will have to write a book, because no one ever tells the truth anymore. Your account could be 100% true, and there is no way a person could verify it.

[@Qingeaton]

@@catherinegrimes2308 No, but that's a good one. lol

[@Qingeaton]

@m n again, one would have to know these things, and where would a person hear them reported? No doubt there are truths and lies from all sides.

[@trplankowner3323]

I'm a veteran of the US Navy's nuclear propulsion program. The Australian government would be well advised to put Senator Patrick on an advisory and steering panel. From what I've seen, no one in the Australian government has a clue as to what sort of undertaking is ahead of them. The demands that will be placed on the RAN are tremendous. I'm certain that the patriotic and diligence sailors of the RAN will raise to the challenge. However, there is no excuse for the government and people of Australia not to do their best to support those fine sailors. If the Australian government is actually serious about doing this, it's not just another 90 billion dollar program that will end up producing nothing for the Australian people, then the RAN must send a prospective crew to the US to begin training now. China is becoming progressively more destabilized. Australia doesn't want to be in the situation the UK was in 1982.

[@andrewwelbourne8514]

The French got a lot of money to stuff things up and blow out the budget. Then they have a whine that we went with a better Sub.

[@adorablyadorable5665]

France trying to sell crap to Australia and complaining about it? GMAB, a Diesel over Atomic is ludicrous.

[@ron9320]

What I understood is that Australia demanded diesel subs! Am I wrong?

[@sebyseby7995]

@@ron9320 You are right Australian aasked for Diesel and France Propose nuclear frame with posibility to change in Nuke in the futur. Australia demands it and also a new battery that only Japan can make atm>so it took France more R&D and time to make this. It is only propaganda and BS that Scomo telling us.

[@theoneandonlybluesky]

You may wish to review the definition of contract.

[@daveh9753]

He's right, Australia should have terminated and sued for breach of contract. We are likely seeing the same thing happening in UK with the Hinkley Point nuclear power station fiasco.

[@yfelwulf]

What shite AUS had the option to buy the French Nuclear Sub and turned it down as TOO EXPENSIVE, *Australia did not have the facilities to handle them including refuelling* And lacked the technical expertise to operate them. America does not even have a child's drawing to offer. This means a new Class BOUGHT OFF PAPER that led to the Collins Class underperforming. This is simply Israelistan 🇺🇲 exercising it's authority over its Vassal Australia. 290 billion borrowed for Covid at least 100 years to pay it back 270 billion in Weapon purchases and now this Fiasco. America has not made a successful anything in 20 years all its current vessels are total disasters. Your grand children's grand children will be paying America into the 23 century. This is why they don't want AUS to trade with CHINA if we can make money elsewhere we won't need them.So why isn't SKY pushing DITCH the B35 KamaKhazi a tatal disaster and worth far more than the Sub Deal that's right we pay America for Aircraft riddled with faults that will never be combat ready and are already 10 years past their delivery date.

[@yfelwulf]

Another Aussie genius with an IQ the same shape as his arsehole 🕳️

[@DavesShed]

@@yfelwulf You are not appreciating Australian politics. A previous administration ruled out nuclear subs. That was a huge mistake. The current administraiton is now switching to nuclear subs. This is why Australia are cancelling the contract. If Australia wanted to, it could have headed down the path of claiming Naval Group was in default. Instead the government accepted that the fundamental problem was the incorrect decision by a previous government to rule out nuclear subs right at the start. France's theatrics is failing to consider that they are getting a better deal by the way this was cancelled than having a years long battle over their poor performance under the contract.

[@yfelwulf]

@@DavesShed No it was ruled out on 1 COST 2 we did not have the facility to handle Nuclear Subs or their fueling and servicing and 3 we lacked the technical expertise. France has the Suffren Class operationl and ready to sell. This farce as Fmr Malcom Turnbull put is is a statement of intent with nothing to back it up neither the US or UK even have a concept drawing were talking a totally new class not a full size Nuclear Sub they're extremely limited in what they can do literally they just float around carrying nuclear missiles. It means at best speed there won't be anything for 30 years long after the Collins class retires. It's main problem is it was bought off paper none exited an untried design with its follow on problems. This is simply America showing how it dominates Australia and our servitude. SCOMO with his 290 billion Covid bail out and promise to buy 270 billion worth of failed US weapons has us in debt to America into the 23 century your children's grand children's grand children will be debt slaves to America. That's what this is all about not China if we develop trade and have revenue sources other than America they lose control over AUS that's what it's really about SCOMO is their JWO Boy his family and those of our politicians will be looked after to ensure loyalty to America that means their kids will get scholarships to US Universities handed Jobs at US owned companies get the best share deals. As for you the loyal Pesants who thinks America is the best too dull to realise you're their plantation slave. Remember the B35 KamaKhazi 10 years past its delivery date a total failure and AUS still won't bail the UK has cut its order by 50% Germany bailed Canada is still undecided. Our Death Hawks that are riddled with faults and only fly when America releases parts. The Abram's tank totally useless in Australia during the wet and declared useless anywhere in Asia. Time to realise all these wars we get involved in are America's doing simply to topple countries to steal their resources.

[@yfelwulf]

@@DavesShed Have you heard any comments from Labor they're still frightened from the Coup that toppled Whitlam for trying to break the US strangle hold on AUS. We were forced into Vietnam under threats of America would with old 5 Billion in loans big money in the 60's. Or when we asked the US for assistance in East Timor and were told DO IT YOURSELF. America has no friends they control you or your their enemy they have us in a trade war with CHINA we started on their orders and they're rushing to replace all the trade we threw away. A 200 Billion trade surplus in our favour gone under orders from America it was months ago we had CIA Operatives running around our streets. And Good Friday our real PM the US Ambassador ✡️ announced Australia will go to war with CHINA for America SCOMO absolutely silent. Time to wake up to who owns you. He US owns almost everything in Australia our Media business they even crashed our car industry so they could import their own.

[@neilc4544]

$50B to $90B, delay and not to mention 20 pages of Sub design was leaked

[@niederrheiner8468]

Nonsense. If the specification changes, Australia could just inform France. They also build nuclear subs.

[@brucewayne3633]

Both UK and US are currently designing their next subs. UK soon to finish its Astute construction program and will have engineers and facilities free. Australia's small number could be a good test-bed for prototyping new advancements. Whilst the crew and engineers required are in training, may get the next design with the first few initially built in the UK. Maybe the US more spacious sub, next generation modular reactor, and an upgrade on the UK advanced electronics system. The US and UK then can build an even better design after this small batch of 6-8. The better they are the less other nations may want to purchase French/Chinese or Russian severely out-classed models.

[@scaramanga7587]

can you demonstrate that US & UK designs for nuclear subs are better than russian/french/chinse ones please ?

[@chulopapi812]

It's easy. They don't speak English so they suck at everything.

[@totorvdr5994]

Mais bien sûr ...

[@ffrederickskitty214]

UK workers will be tooling up for the Dreadnaught-class subs after Astute

[@ligmasack9038]

@@scaramanga7587 Or you could do some Research on your own because the info/proof is all over the Interwebs; instead of being a lazy Twat.

[@capitainebonhomme1609]

Blame Turnbull for signing the contract. Send him the invoice for termination compensation that will be paid to France.

[@graemesydney38]

As said in the vid, there is blame enough to go around. We should have got out earlier and with less PR fuss. But Scomo was big noting himself - and that will cost us millions.

[@alanwest546]

Aus is still paying for the bad deal. Not including lost time

[@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm]

TURNBULLSHIT = Malcom = robo debt - french sub`s - port of darwin lease to china ! main evil deads by this capital scumbag !

[@justjohn9067]

You’re both missing the point on this announcement and in how it was done. Cmon. Take a step back snd have a think about AUKUS. It’s not just about submarines.

[@Doggieman1111]

Please elaborate and enlighten us

[@milopepper2559]

I understand French submarines have an advanced defense system that activates automatically. When it detects an enemy threat, the submarine, without any participation from the crew blows its ballasts and rockets to the surface, and pops a huge white flag.

[@radicalface4026]

Lmao

[@leonpiotrowski8067]

Lol.

[@philipwood9526]

yeah and the four reverse and One forward gear.

[@woombie9287]

Lmao

[@alliswell2114]

Foreign Legion model is not for export

[@TheChickenLine]

Throughout this debacle, I’ve been questioning why Oz didn’t use BAE Australia? It’s an absolute No-Brainer, in all aspects!

[@ReinventingTheSteve]

i worked for BaE, theyre not competitive enough, dont have the system or skills for submarines and are generally too busy maintaining frigates

[@rushpuppy2]

Ok, so the French didn’t do you right. Now you’re dealing with Biden. God help you.

[@yfelwulf]

What shite AUS had the option to buy the French Nuclear Sub and turned it down as TOO EXPENSIVE, *Australia did not have the facilities to handle them including refuelling* And lacked the technical expertise to operate them. America does not even have a child's drawing to offer. This means a new Class BOUGHT OFF PAPER that led to the Collins Class underperforming. This is simply Israelistan 🇺🇲 exercising it's authority over its Vassal Australia. 290 billion borrowed for Covid at least 100 years to pay it back 270 billion in Weapon purchases and now this Fiasco. America has not made a successful anything in 20 years all its current vessels are total disasters. Your grand children's grand children will be paying America into the 23 century. This is why they don't want AUS to trade with CHINA if we can make money elsewhere we won't need them.So why isn't SKY pushing DITCH the B35 KamaKhazi a tatal disaster and worth far more than the Sub Deal that's right we pay America for Aircraft riddled with faults that will never be combat ready and are already 10 years past their delivery date.

[@paulmorgan8254]

@@yfelwulf stop shouting ffs

[@yfelwulf]

@@paulmorgan8254 Some things need a little highlighting the average person has the reading comprehension of a gnat

[@astonmcleod5344]

Danny Andrews would still pay for the sub, like he did for the road that was never built

[@yfelwulf]

What shite AUS had the option to buy the French Nuclear Sub and turned it down as TOO EXPENSIVE, *Australia did not have the facilities to handle them including refuelling* And lacked the technical expertise to operate them. America does not even have a child's drawing to offer. This means a new Class BOUGHT OFF PAPER that led to the Collins Class underperforming. This is simply Israelistan 🇺🇲 exercising it's authority over its Vassal Australia. 290 billion borrowed for Covid at least 100 years to pay it back 270 billion in Weapon purchases and now this Fiasco. America has not made a successful anything in 20 years all its current vessels are total disasters. Your grand children's grand children will be paying America into the 23 century. This is why they don't want AUS to trade with CHINA if we can make money elsewhere we won't need them.

[@yfelwulf]

So why isn't SKY pushing DITCH the B35 KamaKhazi a tatal disaster and worth far more than the Sub Deal that's right we pay America for Aircraft riddled with faults that will never be combat ready and are already 10 years past their delivery date.

[@yfelwulf]

When your dead you don't know you're dead its only difficult for others it's the same when your stupid. Don't vote don't breed stupidity is hereditary your kids won't have a chance in life.

[@paga12621]

The question I have, who in their right mind would order diesel powered subs in this day and age? They obviously have absolutely no idea of the needs of the Armed forces.

[@stevenmassey7586]

Diesel boats (subs) running on battery are the quitest subs in the ocean.

[@midgetydeath]

Diesel subs and nuclear subs fit different niches. Diesel subs are much cheaper even over long periods of time. Nuclear subs, however, are far better for long term deployments or long distances. This is critical to the US due to being flanked by oceans to deal with any foreign enemies and so nuclear vessels are very important for us. Most nations only need subs for patrolling territorial waters or for being part of a task force or battlegroup and so will always be easily supplied with fuel. Which means diesel subs are all that’s needed for most nations. Especially since the US handles the bulk of international trade lane security. Australia considering nuclear subs is because their sub fleet will need to counter Chinese aggression and so will benefit from often operating long term away from other ships and so could not refuel. This means nuclear subs would be much better for the current needs of Australian defense.

[@samhunt9380]

Should have gone nuclear decades ago and with it, nuclear power stations too....Over all the greenie BS. They don't have our interests at heart. They are Marxists anyway so align themselves with China so fk them......

[@yfelwulf]

Simple they can go in Shallow water and close to the coast the reason America has been paying the operating costs of our Subs. They're talking a new class of small Nuclear Sub they don't even have a sketch of let alone plans We could have had a French Nuclear powered Sub turned down as too expensive we did not have the facilities to handle them including refuelling and lacked the technical expertise to operate them. Our Collins Class have achieved KILLS on Americas best Nuclear Subs. And the Russian Black Hole chased Britains best Nuclear Sub away from Syria. Glad we have your expertise drop kick.

[@yfelwulf]

What shite AUS had the option to buy the French Nuclear Sub and turned it down as TOO EXPENSIVE, *Australia did not have the facilities to handle them including refuelling* And lacked the technical expertise to operate them. America does not even have a child's drawing to offer. This means a new Class BOUGHT OFF PAPER that led to the Collins Class underperforming. This is simply Israelistan 🇺🇲 exercising it's authority over its Vassal Australia. 290 billion borrowed for Covid at least 100 years to pay it back 270 billion in Weapon purchases and now this Fiasco. America has not made a successful anything in 20 years all its current vessels are total disasters. Your grand children's grand children will be paying America into the 23 century. This is why they don't want AUS to trade with CHINA if we can make money elsewhere we won't need them.So why isn't SKY pushing DITCH the B35 KamaKhazi a tatal disaster and worth far more than the Sub Deal that's right we pay America for Aircraft riddled with faults that will never be combat ready and are already 10 years past their delivery date.

[@BadlandsVideos]

Any French bakery will sell a 4 day old baguette to a tourist..... But never to a local.....

[@linmal2242]

Spot on. We the tourists?

[@theoneandonlybluesky]

There is no doubt that Australia shouldn't have signed anything for diesel subs. Australia did, bottom line. It's how it's been done that's upset the French. Morrison visited France while negotiating a deal with the UK & US, both with leaders who won't be there forever, that would see France cut off the deal. The bottom line is that this change of direction has put doubts as to Australia's trustworthyness, internationally, and added years to the delivery of any sub. Australia was the first to call out China, now has upset a NATO ally, and a G5 (or G4 who knows) nation, as well as the EU, and raised eyebrows around the world. That's courage from a 26 million citizens country with a small army, and few subs. I think I should learn Chinese ASAP.

[@stephen10.]

france will pardon australia soon but we are not in this new deal , that 's the problem , we don't deserve that after 5 years , it was a strategic partnership france australia and all is finished with an humilation international

[@theoneandonlybluesky]

@@stephen10. Non, c'est vrai. Mais c'est pas la France qui est humilié. Personne ne peux humilier la France. Cocorico!

[@peterdixon7705]

No county should ever ever go into contracts with France. Nth Korean sub launches ballistic missile today from under water. Australian sub launches torpedo. Wake up Australia from dream time.

[@trevermcdonald2402]

Why is it always up the Anglo Saxon Nations to defend the free world. The Brits were the world policeman for 200 years, then the Americans for the past 70 years snd now AUKUS who provide the greatest deterrent to those nations who would seek to dominate the world.

[@15458434]

Yes, the French didn't have a design for submarine on the shelve. So they needed to design them first. That stuff takes time. In the mean time the US has these designs on the shelve and they can just build one with the requested features. And that's why the French needed 5 years to still have not a physical U-boat.

[@KIM-JONG-UN-84]

France was taking Australia for Fools, treating you like a basic country who they had over a barrell. Good job you have the Anglosphere to help you

[@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm]

FRANCE new world order money thieves and total scumbags !

[@neutronalchemist3241]

Let's see... Australia will now pay for the submarines they didn't get from France and the one they are going to get from the US. Someone in the "Anglosphere" is going to help them?

[@KIM-JONG-UN-84]

@@neutronalchemist3241 Nice try troll

[@neutronalchemist3241]

@@KIM-JONG-UN-84 It's exactly what's going to happen.

[@KIM-JONG-UN-84]

@@neutronalchemist3241 They dont pay for the full price on submarines they dont get dummy. They were not even laid down. Also its called the 5 Eyes - US UK AUS CAN NZEALAND - They have a serious alliance not some EU - Australian Bilateral relations. It will be at least 10 years before Australia gets a Submarine but the USA and UK offered much more than submarines alot of which will come very soon.

[@johnsanders2266]

I doubt that there are many people around the world who have been satisfied with the outcome of ANY French Defence Contracts over many years!

[@johnnyb1368]

The reason we didn't cancel the French contact any earlier is because the Aukus deal of the century did not present itself until a few months ago, end of story, geez

[@yfelwulf]

What shite AUS had the option to buy the French Nuclear Sub and turned it down as TOO EXPENSIVE, *Australia did not have the facilities to handle them including refuelling* And lacked the technical expertise to operate them. America does not even have a child's drawing to offer. This means a new Class BOUGHT OFF PAPER that led to the Collins Class underperforming. This is simply Israelistan 🇺🇲 exercising it's authority over its Vassal Australia. 290 billion borrowed for Covid at least 100 years to pay it back 270 billion in Weapon purchases and now this Fiasco. America has not made a successful anything in 20 years all its current vessels are total disasters. Your grand children's grand children will be paying America into the 23 century. This is why they don't want AUS to trade with CHINA if we can make money elsewhere we won't need them.So why isn't SKY pushing DITCH the B35 KamaKhazi a tatal disaster and worth far more than the Sub Deal that's right we pay America for Aircraft riddled with faults that will never be combat ready and are already 10 years past their delivery date.

[@stephen10.]

HAve you seen the reactions anti french here ? It 's totally insane. The anglosphere hates completly france . They are totally crazy ! ( i m french ) . I have never seen the US , UK , Australia so crazy vs France ! I didn't imagine that in all my life . This world anglo is completly mad ...

[@autumnrryan8453]

I’m an American. I don’t hate France.

[@malehumanperson7901]

I'm British and don't hate France. The French reaction seems bizarre.

[@jasandros]

Underlying problems dealing with the Submarine Agreement between France and Australia led to the contract cancelation. The situation is not as it seems at first take.

[@clivehoskin7254]

Well for a start off the"Contract"nearly doubled before it even got off the table.The subs were obsolete before they even got off the drawing board.

[@matthewtraynor2011]

It's a no brainer

[@danielhiett5939]

The French we're ripping you off if they made a deal for a price that should have been the price they should not have been any possible reason why there was additional cost they raise the price because the French didn't do their job!

[@justice1902]

France let themselves down, I agree this deal should have been torn up long ago.

[@stuartthornton3027]

Australia were being shafted by France who now want compo despite having already paid $2.4bn. The subs would have been obsolete by the time they'd been delivered and would also be a fraction of the use of a nuclear boat.

[@warrenklein7817]

Even the attack nuclear powered submarines are past their use by date. They have to move around to find targets and so are vulnerable before and after action. The nuclear armed ones hide in the 70% of the world 🌎 which is ocean stealthily waiting for their one time order. We should get remote controlled submersibles, no crew, cheaper, expendable and the remote crew can take risks just like the remote pilot of a drone.

[@stuartthornton3027]

@@warrenklein7817 you do realise I meant attack subs and not nuclear ballistic missile boats. Completely different platforms with very different roles.

[@theoneandonlybluesky]

@@warrenklein7817 hum, Oz is not buying nuclear subs, they will only be powered by nuclear. If they ever get them.

[@stephen10.]

We have let nobody down. France has proposed the all new nulcear sub class Suffren in 2016. The contract was to build the diesel /electric sub in 2023 to 2032. Ask to the 80 australians engineers working in france , they saw the research and developement about their subs. This new design was complicated to do because based on a nuclear sub transformed in diesel sub .

[@wetblacklab7174]

reminds me of Canadas purchase of clunker Brit diesel subs, in the 1990s .

[@robertmitchell3493]

I don't think you need to worry Virginia or astute will do the job. Better than ww2 technology.

[@HD46409]

It's going to be 10+ years before you get a domestic nuclear boat. In the interim put RAN personnel on 688s asap and then take delivery of them on lease as they are retired early. This will keep the number of allied boats in the Indo-Pacific up.

[@linmal2242]

That's a plan.

[@DavesShed]

You would think that would have to be a possibility they are considering. Probably also deploying as trainees/observers on British nuclear subs.

[@rls5938]

I would never buy anything from France. Not even a toy. For sure would not buy a high tech Sub from those winos.

[@markvandeventer2411]

Even their mustard sucks!

[@georgemorrison9280]

@@markvandeventer2411 ….their water pumps suck as well .

[@tonyrichmond4015]

Having had over four years of bad design experience with the French in the past, I'm glad to see our Aussie mates are out of this.

[@samhunt9380]

Twice in one century France showed they aren't a military nation. Why on earth did our politicians and "expert" bureaucrats choose diesel AND France too? Maybe the kickbacks were worth it.

[@linmal2242]

Visit Gay Paree !

[@thedropbear574]

Brah it was basically $90b for some old Camry’s

[@andhewonders]

Let them eat cake.

[@dboogeman2002]

Your number one error was that you made a deal with France.

[@shaynem8603]

Credlin has no credability

[@mentorofarisia371]

I have no opinion of whether Australia will be better served with the US subs than the French. Diesels have some advantages over nuclear power. But I think Biden owed it to the French to discuss the deal with them before finishing the deal with Australia. Not to get their permission, but to keep them in the loop. That's just being a good ally.

[@rogelioecheverri3366]

France was tryin to sucker the Aussies and are pissed cause it didnt work out. Lmao!

[@jennifermiles5841]

90blln.and 6years not a single bolt produced.. beggars belief..

[@robertcarter9350]

“It would be smart to ask you”. There’s the glaring mistake right there. Most politicians will veer away from what ordinary people consider to be smart. SMS = Small Man Syndrome.

[@haldorasgirson9463]

Oooh, a common USA, UK and Australian sub. That sound interesting. Any chance Australia would be willing to field a fully nuclear boat (armed as well as powered by)? China's nuclear threats would make me incredibly nervous if I was Australia. You can't expect the USA or UK to engage in nuclear war with China on Australia's behalf.

[@trevermcdonald2402]

Why take 18 months to discuss what kind of nuclear powered sub to buy when both the UK Astute class and the American equivalent are already in production. The Astute class is recognized as the quietest sub and takes a smaller crew to operate, the American is larger with a larger crew. Whichever sub Australia chooses they are likely to want the British Sonar suite which is again recognized as by far the best available. If the Government gets its finger out the Brits are likely to double their production of the Astute class which is bang up to date and comes with the Best sonar as well; as being the quietest.

[@DavesShed]

Even if we buy them off the shelf, Australia needs all the infrastructure, equipment and expertise to maintain them locally. We need partners that can help us set all that up. Then there are the operational aspects. There is a lot to gear up for. And in all probability they wont be exactly off the shelf.

[@thecraggrat]

@@DavesShed They likely would be, as they are still building Astute boats, but have finished most of them and slots are opening up that Aussie boats could fit into. Also as they are being built it is an ideal time to bring over Aussie personnel to learn techniques & systems to build most of the boats in Aus, while the Facilities for doing in Aus get sorted out whilst they are training. It is ideal as long as the Aus & UK get their fingers out, the tripartite agreement is to do with the nuclear reactors that are used, so the US will be onboard, and the reactor fuel will have to come from America anyway.

[@alliswell2114]

Australia lets down France on antique subs ..LOL LOL

[@sebyseby7995]

Because Australia Ask for it

[@pkd6369]

can you imagine dealing with our boomerang throwing POLITICIANS, and now have a world wide reputation of telling lies!

[@nigelmorgan3449]

Thank you Turncoat you think we owe the French something we should of told the French to shove it 30 years time those subs would been better at the tip

[@jeffjohnson1302]

Who is this moderator? She is beautiful!

[@54000biker]

I used to work for a multi national company and one time I was tasked with translating technical specifications from English into different European languages. Germany, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, no problem, all sorted in 3 weeks. The French section took 6 months!

[@totorvdr5994]

and so ?

[@richardboote2370]

@@totorvdr5994 So it took 6 months.

[@johnsrinivasan4507]

How much of Australia is owned by Chinese,

[@rogelioecheverri3366]

The Frech have great tech and they will get a break payment but, the US/UK pick is better. The Virginia boat is the best in class.

[@spartanconscience2693]

The Virginia boat is best in its class? Who states this? a credible source? anyone can say something is the best. It does not mean it is true. They said the same about the latest American fighters as being the best. Plagued with quality and reliability problems and overpriced with the worst delivery times. They are not even as good as they say they are being equivalent with the latest Russian and Chinese versions built at a fraction of the cost.

[@lokibird2546]

It’s time PETA Credlin ran for the Prime ministry or maybe a good candidate for our first president

[@dartharpy9404]

Peta rocks🙏

[@felitawilliams3126]

I read in the news France will send Australia $66 billion bill

[@sterrissar]

French as usual ripping folk off if the agreement is delayed substanly then the agreement is void in my view. Also my brother served on hunter/killer subs and he doesn't glow in the dark

[@markvandeventer2411]

So why should we pay for a bag of chips when we could get a steak for a little bit extra?

[@josephcallan3430]

In 1957 the NUCLEAR POWERED submarine USS Nautilus sailed under the Polar ice cap...64 years ago!!! i imagine nuclear technology/safety etc have advanced a lot since then!

[@michaelhoward5333]

Of course they let Australia down, you would have been lucky to even get one with the French making the sub. l'ennui.

[@terryquarton2523]

Should we look at the LNP they the ones writing the contract for Australia and the French. It always someone else fault with the LNP.

[@totorvdr5994]

l'ennui, l'ennui, l'ennui : what does that mean ? You know ?

[@philliphall8792]

Why would Australia buy a Citroen when it could have an Aston Martin?....

[@briankaitschuck125]

France is all talk and no action and have always been like this. They need to stop drinking so much wine.

[@humphrey4976]

Aussies need the best subs possible to secure their country against aggression. Love a POM

[@dsinghr]

May be we need someone like Dan Andrews to manage things in Canberra ?

[@linmal2242]

Help !

[@nigelliam153]

They make the worlds best atomic power stations. Maybe we should throw them an olive branch and order a couple of those instead.

[@swdev245]

I hate to think what would happen if Germany backed out of the FCAS (future combat air system) project now. France might go ballistic.

[@MP-mh1tu]

Do some Australian still believe this BS? Or do they want to face reality and real politics? The reason French submarines were getting more expensive and longer to finish is that Australians didn't want nuclear engines in them and required complex changes. They are still the best submarines out there. The only one reason why Australians canceled their orders is that Biden told them to to get some cash for US companies and give a small tip to the UK. The US could not pass an order like that to Australians without tipping the British, since Australia is theirs. That's it. No practical reason for all this. Also, building complex submarines in 3 countries on 3 different continents is not a job that will ever be finished. Bureaucracy and logistics. It's ridiculous and the Chinese are laughing, if they are even minimally concerned about this mess at all.

[@chrisyoungdesign1342]

Naval group took Australia for a ride over-promised and under-delivered. Also, Macron is up for election; looking strong makes him look good even tho he's very unpopular at this time. Also, the reason we the UK were brought in is a lot of technology on the US subs is developed by UK companies also with Australia going in this direction both the UK and the US do training exchanges programs to train crews on new technology and procedures we have done for decades. And it makes sense for Uk to be involved in training current and next-generation submariners in operating and maintaining a nuclear power submarine. In terms of what Australia would do well, that's for them to decide in regards to would be a good fit; well, on paper, the Virginia class is the bells and whistles of submarines, but it needs a crew of 130-140 to operate it the Astute class carries similar ordinance and is quieter than the US version but more importantly it requires a crew less than 100 to operate it. Australia would be best served going with either one as a off the shelf program to meet its needs and then develop a future design later with a maturing domestic industry. The boats would still need to be built domestically, which is important to Australian interests and both the USA and UK have or are doing this with Australia anyway

[@nonoahhh]

Shame to see Australia the way it is Foreigners and liberals took the spine out of the country

[@rossbuchanan3016]

France should be compensating Australia for the massive blowout

[@andrewrose6536]

They carnt build cars, and Australia want them to build subs ?

[@defaultdamager7639]

They can’t build a car never mind a lead class nuclear sub 😂👍

[@capitainebonhomme1609]

French make airbus and they are very good. Airbus is a consortium but the CEO is French and the Airbus planes are assembled in Toulouse, France.

[@totorvdr5994]

@@capitainebonhomme1609 Airbus is not only french, just european cooperation including British.

[@totorvdr5994]

Who is ''they'' ? Australians ? I'm OK. If not, not serious.

[@capitainebonhomme1609]

@@totorvdr5994 Poms are not in airbus consortium Airbus planes are assembled in France Airbus CEO is French

[@gringologie9302]

@@capitainebonhomme1609 et le groupe a entièrement été avalé par les allemands, comme le démontre la relocalisation du siège d'Airbus défense en Allemagne. Voilà voilà les coopérations foireuses à l'étrangers. Prochaine étape, Dassault y passera.

[@a.mackrous7664]

Is anyone surprised that the French let anyone down. Have they already surrendered?

[@danielfronc4304]

The reason France was left out of the liasson is simply that they bring nothing to the table. Australia gives the U.S. much needed port facilities for subs and ships beyond Guam, strategically pinning down the South China sea and keeping China from dictating military transit through it. It also allows Australia, a proven tough fighting ally, to sleep more soundly at night. As for the nuclear powered subs not being nuclear armed, since they'll be configured to U.S. specs all that's needed to make them nuclear armed is the transfer of nuclear tipped torpedoes and tomahawk missiles.

[@deswillis3490]

How can the Australian government be blamed after the French had been warned about the French letting the Aussies down in all ways. Over selling an obsolete and wildly out of date equipment

[@stephen10.]

We have let nobody down. France has proposed the all new nulcear sub class Suffren in 2016. The contract was to build the diesel /electric sub in 2023 to 2032. Ask to the 80 australians engineers working in france , they saw the research and developement about their subs. This new design was complicated to do because based on a nuclear sub transformed in diesel sub .

[@peterhenson4048]

The French bit off more than they could chew, they had too many delays and setbacks. Anyhow Australia need newclear engines because of our isolation and distances to travel what is wrong with that,.

[@brucewoods9377]

I didn’t know that Australia needed New Clear Engines, I thought we were now wanting nuclear powered submarines 🤣🤣🤣

[@Doggieman1111]

Australia has had it easy for generations because it is its own continent and distant from most threats. Those days are over. Now its time for the Aussies to put their big-boy pants on and become a world power.

[@robertlangley399]

To busy eating lunch to crack on with the deal

[@klardfarkus3891]

When do Australians think they will get thes USA British subs?

[@totorvdr5994]

Too late to be on time for the Chinese ; 2040 is very far ...

[@gregorydoran2777]

Well before the frog date of 2050 for the delivery of their outdated bone shakers.

[@tareetodd]

Just before Christmas

[@totorvdr5994]

@@gregorydoran2777 What are your sources ? This date is probably correct for the commission of the fifth conventionnal sub ...

[@totorvdr5994]

@Brett Mitchell What source of information ?