Skyrim - SECRETS of the Snow Elves AKA The Falmer - Elder Scrolls Lore

[@paine_inflicta]

The existence of the Forgotten Vale makes me think (hope?) there may be other hidden pockets where Snow Elf survivors may have hidden, undisturbed. Maybe one day they will appear again.

[@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935]

Since we only find 1 snow elf male even if there are other holdouts it would be almost impossible for the snow elves as a species to bounce back from. They would need to relocate to the Forgotten Vale(FV for short) unnoticed, destroy anyway into the FV (but one), stay hidden and repopulate until these a few hundred of them when they couch decide weither to open relations with the outside world. And thats IF anymore snow elves survived.

[@TitanSubZero15]

@@The_Eskime There probably won't be any female snow elves left. They would probably have to re-populate with Altmer or maybe even humans. Sort of like what the Akaviri did with the Imperials during Remman's rule.

[@hunterwpayne1]

My head canon is that there must be some who escaped the fate of the falmer. For example, I'm playing as a snow elf in skyrim now, with the backstory of his family sensing great magical power in him and hiding him away from the dwemer. Obviously that's not canon but I feel it's definitely possible something similar could've happened

[@steakinbacon8593]

Gelebor actually states that there were 100 of his pupils with him and it was only fairly recent that the betrayed stumbled upon the forgotten vale and killed all 100 of his pupils leaving only him and vurther so it's not impossible for other large groups of snow elves to go in noticed on other parts of tamriel

[@1helluvaguy738]

@@steakinbacon8593 Did he ever say he was that old?

[@wiibrockster]

The Falmer's lore truly is a tragic tale. They go from being a peaceful and rather intelligent race of Mer to being horrible monsters that live in Dwemer ruins and caves.

[@birdiepitchfeather63]

Indeed. They didn’t just fall from grace, but everything that made them who they were was taken from them

[@MrSeals1000]

I do like that there was a glimpse of hope for them in the game. Not that they'd be able to return to the glory of their past, but that they can rise up and become something different altogether.

[@thunderbird7020]

Tarlo The Boar i don’t know if “peaceful” is the right word. They were civilized and relatively good, but they weren’t innocent, they attacked the Atmorans for no real reason other than greed (wanting to steal the eye of Magnus from the Atmorans). I’m not saying they “deserved” it, but it was something they brought on themselves by making war with the Atmorans.

[@zephyrshackleford8018]

@@thunderbird7020 I feel as though genocide is a bit harsh for the destruction of one city.

[@iamdream2562]

@@zephyrshackleford8018 sure it is, but you sanitize the snow elves too much, they didn't just "destroy" the city, they butchered every man woman and child in it. Is genocide in response excessive? Objectively yes, but such is history.

[@patrickaycock3655]

Fudgemuppet 20yrs from now: "The secret lore of the ants from the stump in riverwood"

[@GhostyGhost7007]

Get it? We'll still be talking about TESV cuz TES6 still won't be out in 20 years

[@averagelad966]

GhostyGhost7007 2024 is the release isn’t it ?

[@ciaranmck4469]

@@averagelad966 the release date is still unknown basically every leak has proven to be fake basically tes 6 will be out 2022-2024 it probably is maybe t1 in 2024 or t4 in 2023 but a 2022 release date *is* kinda realistic but we dont know how long theyve been working on it or how many people are working on tes6

[@smitty1647]

dude is there really a stump with ants in riverwood? man, there's always something new to learn about TES lore

[@patrickaycock3655]

@@smitty1647 yes. There is. How they work is a mystery. They are immune to all magic and resist all physical interaction. Check em out. They are near gerders "meeting" stump.

[@randomkarma37]

You guys are honestly why I love the elders scrolls and fallout games and lore

[@iwanvandenberge5994]

Absolutly they deserve more likes

[@christiancurry1668]

And subs. By far the best elder scrolls and fallout KZbinr out there.

[@kingofnuclearfallout39]

My favorite fallout game is fallout new Vegas and elder scrolls game is oblivion

[@cannellaorso4171]

I love the lore regardless of Fudgemuppet, but no one makes better lore videos than Fudgemuppet.

[@viveka2994]

@Giorgos Georgiou what? This is fantasy, he doesn't take sides lmao

[@apocryphascholar1764]

It would be cool if we got an Elder scrolls game that allows us to play as the ancient races like the snow elves and dwemer

[@FortyFM4]

And the ancient Yokudans! To hear what the language sounds like or to see sword singers at work would be MAGICAL.

[@1helluvaguy738]

fleeze92 The mod “Project AHO” has a dwemer ghost speaking in his own tongue. Really cool part to an awesome mod.

[@RedShiftJ29]

check out the Ancient Falmer and Timelost Dwemer race mods by Redshiftja on the Nexus

[@effedyourmom5033]

That would be dope imagine playing as one of the Dwemer

[@xChaosFlower]

And Ayleids! But Todd is trying to get his money back from Fallout 76 by reselling Skyrim

[@bimlauyomashitobi421]

It’s a shame that nobody ever cites the the Bloodmoon dlc anymore when talking about the Falmer. Their quest in it was short, but it was still our first little forte into the descent of the snow elves into falmer. You literally get to wear the Snow Prince’s ancient armour and wield his spear.

[@Shitbird3249]

Spear ?

[@Mama.Macabre]

@@Shitbird3249 Morrowind had more weapon types than Oblivion or Skyrim. Spears were one of those weapon types

[@bimlauyomashitobi421]

aaron glass Morrowind had spears, tantos, throwing stars, throwing knives, halberds, claymores, longswords, shortswords, daggers, long bows, short bows, staves, maces, war hammers, axes, war axes, battle axes, wakizashis, darts, katanas, dai-tantos, clubs, crossbows, and just good ole punching. I’m not even going to get into the expansive magic and spells system (in comparison to later games), and you may begin to understand the argument that Bethesda has been simplifying their games.

[@MrKezzerdrix]

@@bimlauyomashitobi421 * Side note: When he says punching, he means mirrowind had an unarmed skill.

[@idipped2521]

@@bimlauyomashitobi421 Morrowind was a way deeper game than Skyrim. Yes skyrim was better from a technical standpoint but it wasn't worth it IMO. Skyrim is still a great game but it just isn't as good as I thought it was when I was 12 now that I'm 21. Just wasn't a deep enough experience.

[@TheMotion01]

No one ever seems to talk about the ending to The Diary of Faire Agarwen. "We know that we can never again be the Snow Elves and live freely in this world. We will forever be in hiding in one form or another. But there is no reason we cannot live life with the sun and the wind against our skin. There are those here who are friends to us and plan to help us once the threat has ended. We know now to survive we must be born anew. Outside, we will appear as though we belong here. Inside, we will carry our truth and our scars." Those last three sentences have some really interesting implications and I've yet to hear anyone mention them.

[@akai4942]

Those lines made me avoid killing falmer in the deeps. I just pity them, and want them to grow and return to tamriel. Not as snow elves, but as something new. Their physical appearence may be permanent, but that did not stop the orsimer

[@dustmote6359]

I have often wondered about those lines, too. Just out of curiosity: what do you think it means? False hope because the whole Dwemer race disappeared before the kindly few could offer help in secret? Some sentient, seeing Falmer among the twisted ones? Or something else entirely, like an escape in the form of High Elves or even Nords? Some kind of change magic to live out in the open, hiding in plain sight. Or none of the above?

[@nimbinkwe3555]

@@dustmote6359 there are probably allies beyond Skyrim that we don't know about, who were able to give some refugees sanctuary in secret. There could also be other places like the forgotten vale where Snow Elves were able to start over.

[@cheecheeChomba]

This is only a theory, but seeing as this excerpt is seemingly from a female falmer perhaps this could be the origin of the whisper mothers. There is an interesting reddit thread on this matter that speaks of how the whisp mothers faces have striking similarities to the snow elves, and that they are likely snow elven in origin. Maybe it's a bit of a stretch but purhaps the Pale lady is this Faire Agarwen, "reborn" and the first to make the transformation. Either way those sentences from this diary is extremely interesting and worth being explored further. www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/12f6rk/origin_of_the_wispmother/?

[@roderik4]

@@cheecheeChomba Wasn't the Pale Lady Aumriel, an enemy of Ysgramor?

[@Passdabear]

I'm so early the Falmer can still see!

[@unyielding.entertainment]

Bro you get the comment award lmao

[@dabunnybadass]

anyone else think they should make a big video about what corent gods are most popular and what happens to those unpopular or recognized bye different names and forms exc

[@insaincaldo]

@Afatasi Sausasi ...They are still Snowelves Fal(snow) mer(folk =elven people)

[@effedyourmom5033]

@Afatasi Sausasi damnit! 😂

[@willieswolley4652]

Best comment ever!

[@muffinfleet3147]

Who else wants this guy to be dungeon master for a Skyrim themed D&D campaign?

[@somedude9309]

Just a DM in general would be amazing.

[@OldManMcLoyf]

Imagine a Nat 20 History Roll.

[@somedude9309]

@@OldManMcLoyf imagine rolling a 1.

[@jamesmoreland7569]

@@OldManMcLoyf just gives them a url

[@myraak982]

i just started writing a TES themed D&D campaign. it's soo much fun lmao i recommend it

[@TheRealPDizzle]

I never felt much animosity towards the Falmer. While they are vicious and aggressive creatures, and I dispatch them without question, I can at least understand where their behavior comes from, after their systematic abuse and torture by the Dwemer over generations. But the chaurus... the chaurus I absolutely DESPISE. I hate every single one of them with every fiber of my being. They’re dark, evil, scary, scheming, skittering giant ice-centipedes with ant-like social structure. But oh no, they’re not just mindless insects...no definitely not. I swear I detect some kind of cold, calculating intelligence behind their nasty, black alien-like eyes. It’s almost as if they enjoy murdering men and mer alike, rather than killing us for sustenance. I feel a sense of pride every time I clear a Falmer den; the Falmer are dangerous and a big risk to adventurers and travelers and killing them keeps their surface presence to a minimum. But annihilating those nasty chaurus is the work of the Nine. I’d rid Tamriel of every last one of them in a giant crusade, like St. Jiub and the cliff racer scourge, if I could.

[@insaincaldo]

Indeed a noble endeavor, worthy of sainthood. I'll make sure to publish your Opus, should you end up imprisoned in some strange pocket of Oblivion.

[@TheRealPDizzle]

I certainly welcome all the help I can get in this great hunt. I think chaurus might prove to be a more dangerous prey than the cliff racers of old. And the deep, dark, cold, cramped tunnels of Tamriel might be too much for the sanity of one pilgrim by their lonesome. Let’s form a guild.

[@ArckAngel75]

I got pissed and scared as fuck when I first encountered the freaking bugs on the surface. " WHERE DID YOU COME DAEDRA SPAWN, BURN DAMN YOU BURN" Type of feeling

[@jadedj5385]

You have my conjured bow. Where do I sign up for the Chaurus Crusaders?

[@sonofthebearking3335]

69th like for St. Jiub! YUS! X,D

[@argella1300]

18:12 Even more sinister is that the fungus may have had an even deeper impact on their souls too. All sentient humanoids in Tamriel have grand souls, aka “black souls”, because they can only be transferred into a black soul gem. Falmer, on the other hand, along with every other non-sentient beast on Tamriel, have “white” souls, and thus can be stored in regular petty/lesser/common/greater/grand soul gems.

[@J2ojuiced95]

I hope the Snow elves will be seen again in a future Elder Scrolls game since there are still a few left. The Falmer might come back too since they’re supposed to be getting smarter.

[@somedude9309]

That is true, the last snow elf (because you killed his brother) did say they were becoming smarter and more tactful. I think if they avoid that toxic fungus and remain on the surface they'll recover much faster especially with that snow elf guiding them since he's basically immortal. I also want the deep elf's (dwarfs) to return and perhaps we could get a war between them, newly reformed snow elves vs the returning deep elf's! Who would win? Who would you support? Where would this conflict take place? You decide!

[@alexanderrahl7034]

@@somedude9309 the dwarves are definitely not coming back. But if they did, if they all reappeared together, i throw my hat in with them. By the time of Skyrim the dragon fires are gone, the Tribunal is dead, and magic is fading. The empire is divided and the races are all weakened. For all intents and purposes, skyrim was the closest thing to the end times we have seen. Everything is on decline. If the Dwemer returned, they would automatically become the most powerful race on Tamriel, because they shun the gods, and practice a more scientific magic. These are the race who built themselves a literal machine god that served a major role in elder scrolls history. And created the god Talos. Dwemer, dwemer would win lol. But they arent coming back, and only one still lives in Vvardenfel. Although after the eruption of red mountain, who knows if he still lives?

[@evandxvies]

Auri-El could bless them and restore their power

[@yaromirgusev2616]

Unless the aldmeri dominion destroys them

[@evandxvies]

@@yaromirgusev2616 i doubt the Altmer would kill the Falmer if they were becoming smarter, the Altmer might be helping them you never know

[@wreckemdaileas8647]

I love the Snow Elf lore and it really is a shame that we only get to see a shadow of their beautiful people. The lore and history of them in the game is beautifully woven.

[@thesnep4757]

Which makes it all the more tragic and despite what the Snow Elves did to Saarthal, I have nothing but pity for them.

[@chazo1367]

TheSnep considering it wasn’t all of them who attacked Saarthal same. Some weren’t even involved in that and yet it didn’t matter to Ysgramor, it was effectively a cleansing of a race over the actions of a few

[@apricotmadness4850]

@@chazo1367 It really makes you hate the nords of old and all that support them.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@Kyle Pedoslayer BS, they didn't care the Nords existed, they let them live without issue in Skyrim for who knows how long, on top of that, they allowed peaceful travel of the Nedes across Tamriel from Atmora, they had peace for a good while, all before Saarthal was erected on top of an Aedric Artifact that was important to their people. Ysgramor and the 500 Atmoran Companions didn't have to commit an Extinction level event upon them all for one city. Really, why did Snow Elves across the whole province have to pay for the actions of a few for the Night of Tears? The Snow Prince ruler the Falmer put on an impressive last stand, to the point where they buried him with full honors as a warrior, despite being enemies. After he died, Ysgramor should've ended the war to respect the fallen Warrior Prince.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@apricotmadness4850 True, they really are the most primitive, bloodthirsty humans, reveling and finding glory in the deaths of others. Skyrim today is a run down, backwater Province with brutish bandits running about. The Snow Elves were said to have been very advanced, and were far ahead of what was expected at the time, and they had no interest in spreading out from Skyrim to the other provinces, since they're well attuned and adapted to the North as it is. Maybe it would've been a beautiful province, rivaling even the Summerset Isles in beauty and sophistication. Instead, we have Nords...

[@Bona_Tempora]

Maybe since Falmer seem to be heavily invested in Alchemy, they can “cure” their madness and become a civilized race again. Their physiology would be a lot different but they could probably build a second Snow Elf kingdom. Imagine in ES6 visiting a Snow Elf village where every person is blind, but can see with Sense Life or some kind of magic.

[@MLPDethDealr32]

There's a dialogue option with Enthir where you can tell him that the Falmer sound more like Victims to you then monsters.

[@chazo1367]

I mean if you think about it, an entire race was nearly driven to utter extinction because of a cities worth of them committing atrocities and the ones not involved fought back out of survival.

[@adarshkamoda9183]

@Kyle Pedoslayer You're clearly not fond of their poisons and pets.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@chazo1367 Exactly, can't believe much of the Fanbase says that the Snow Elves "deserved it". Ysgramor and the 500 Atmoran Companions didn't have to commit an Extinction level event upon them all for one city. Really, why did Snow Elves across the whole province have to pay for the actions of a few for the Night of Tears? The Snow Prince, ruler of the Falmer, put on an impressive last stand, to the point where they buried him with full honors as a warrior, despite being enemies. After he died, Ysgramor should've ended the war to respect the fallen Warrior Prince.

[@captainzoltan7737]

@@thalmoragent9344 straight FAX. besides I doubt they just attacked sarthal out of the blue on a whim. the nords were probably being the cocky barbaric pricks they've always been and encroaching on snow elf territory which triggered them to attack in the first place. its hardly an eye for an eye. more like 2 arms a leg and your internal organs for an eye. .

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@captainzoltan7737 Funny thing is, I was watching a video on the Eye of Magnus, and it states not only was Saarthal not the only city (just the main one/capital) but that the Snow Elves never intended on wiping out or pushing the Nords from Skyrim; kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXuqhoqYec6jlaM They didn't just go in and slaughter everyone (although as tensions rose in the city at night, unfortunately the situation must've gotten out of hand) they had a map of the city and went directly to a part of the city (night means less resistance or issue moving in the city) and supposedly were indeed there for the Eye of Magnus. Questions is, why's they leave it in Saarthal for as long as they did? My guess is that they knew something was wrong and as Elves, they felt the magical presence of the Eye, and came to investigate, maybe not knowing what exactly they were looking for, that's my best guess. They wouldn't have attacked for no reason, and if the Nords were messing with the Eye or were being careless with it, the Snow Elves, as natives of the land, would have a right to see and assess the Artifact. Either way, the Snow Elves only went to Saarthal, and the situation went from surgical operation to a fight, in which (somehow) Ysgramor and his sons were the only survivors.. Weird, how is it the leader and his sons of a warrior race were the only survivors, even though you'd think he would've remained and fought "like a true Nord" not abandon his people. The situation may be exaggerated by the Historians, maybe not a full blown slaughter, or if it was, Ysgramor certainly wasn't the only one who lived and escaped from the city, maybe others went to the other cities and sought to hide with them, since the Snow Elves had no interest in wiping all of them out in the first place, but Ysgramor would've been angry enough to go to Atmora alone and make bold claims of "Elves being jerks", and used that as an excuse to kill them off into hiding. Either way, I won't condone innocent people dying, but the Snow Elves certainly had their reasons with something like the Eye of Magnus involved, and given the Staff of Magnus was found in another capital city of Nords, well... seems they were hiding it and perhaps tampering with something they didn't understand, and the Falmer fearing this would cause calamity to Skyrim itself is reason enough to demand the Eye be given to them, a race far more advanced and able to safeguard the Eye and have it under safe keeping.

[@ethanrobbins5008]

The snow elves are my favorite race,and I want them as a cannon playable race

[@LightSpeed-wo8ys]

Mods....

[@hullo8246]

The fact that u guys can still make content about a nine year old game is frankly a testament to how talented and devoted you all are

[@evilmatt6465]

I’ve always theorised that a fair amount of snow elves may have managed to escape Skyrim to maybe another elven province like the Summerset Isles or Valenwood or maybe they even escaped to Atmora and somehow managed to make it hospitable. Lol it’s probably just wishful thinking because I love snow elves so much tho

[@somedude9309]

It would be wishful thinking considering that any vessel they had would be attacked and for the fact that no one in the time period had open borders.

[@edwinrosario3849]

Given the existence of the Chantry of Auriel being untouched by the Atmorans, it could be possible that the Snow Elves can still exist beyond just the Falmer in the caves. While it is unlikely, given their ability to use wayshrines, they could have created a type of sanctuary based around one of their temples and hid, when Ysgramor and the Companions and the Snow elves were losing, a few hundred of them could have fled through a wayshrine or several to a place where their culture could rebuild again, slowly over the next 4,000 years hidden high in the mountains protected by their gods and the use of their frost magics. Its an interesting scenario that could play out and give a good lore reason for why they could return in their original state.

[@insaincaldo]

Unlikely though possible that survivors who lived in the Vale and Chantry weren't all wiped and some made it to the Western reach of High Rock through the Vale, by some now lost route. Or like Gelebor said, other pockets who went elsewhere when they went to the Dwemer. That said I strongly believe if any are still out there by now, they like Gelebor are solitary, or at best few in numbers and tragically isolated away from the world. Unable to really return to the world or find each other. Not to say if they even did, they would be a living relic unable to find peace in society, if not outright hunted.

[@zahraf.777]

There's a fan theory on Reddit about it!:www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/g7cg5l/ice_elves_an_idea_entirely_made_up_by_an_avid_fan/

[@maew150]

Ulfric: Skyrim belongs to the nords! Knight Paladin Gelebor: "..."

[@daltonsimmerock5999]

I love the lore surrounding the snow elves, I really hope one day we can learn more about what truly happened during the night of tears. It would be interesting to find another Snow elf who was there during the night of tears and have him give the snow elf side of the story....even though I doubt that will happen

[@thalmoragent9344]

I agree, we don't know the whole story, and besides, why wouldn't the Snow Elves have asked for the Eye, saying it was an important item for their God? I feel there's a lot the Nords didn't write down, to victimize themselves more for future writers. No attempts of diplomacy, at all, from a race of evidently very peaceful elves in comparison to the all the ones we know of? Just saying, something doesn't add up. This doesn't justify killing all the innocents in Saarthal, no, but seriously, the entire race to be killed for the destruction of ONE city? That's BS, and I say Ysgramor should've ended the war to respect the fallen Snow Prince, the Snow Elf that the nords so clearly thought was a great Warrior to the point they gave him a proper, honorable burial.

[@daltonsimmerock5999]

@@thalmoragent9344 exactly. Maybe one day we'll get a better explanation from Bethesda Game Studios.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@daltonsimmerock5999 One can only hope... sad the Dawnguard DLC never went through anything deeper with their Lore. No weapons, Falmer Artifacts or clothing or any of their other Armor (Knight Paladin Armor is nice but it's not what the average army of the Falmer would've worn)

[@IAmPhoenix85]

I'm so intrigued by this because I love snow elfs, unspeakable and ungodly things happened to them.. now you will help me fully understand why ♥️

[@somedude9309]

The weird thing is most of this could have been avoided if they ignored the fact the the nords found an artifact.

[@theFORZA66]

@@somedude9309 unlikely as there was definitely a lot of tension between the two before that. The whole "the nords were peaceful" thing was definitely nord propaganda

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@somedude9309 Perhaps, but we don't even know if the Snow Elves knew the Eye of Magnus was there. They low-key may have attacked Saarthal for an entirely different reason, maybe revenge for Saarthal's inhabitants screwing about their lands and maybe harming some Snow Elves or something Even if it was for the Artifact, why wouldn't the Snow Elves have asked for the Eye, saying it was an important item for their God? I feel there's a lot the Nords didn't write down, to victimize themselves more for future writers. No attempts of diplomacy, at all, from a race of evidently very peaceful elves in comparison to the all the ones we know of? Just saying, something doesn't add up. This doesn't justify killing all the innocents in Saarthal, no, but seriously, the entire race to be killed for the destruction of ONE city? That's BS, and I say Ysgramor should've ended the war to respect the fallen Snow Prince, the Snow Elf that the nords so clearly thought was a great Warrior to the point they gave him a proper, honorable burial.

[@somedude9309]

@@thalmoragent9344 Don't forget the nords slaughtered the elves who were above ground, it was the deep elves/dwarfs who finished off the remaining members of the race via slavery and poison before disappearing. We must also remember that snow elves who are affected by poison are slowly evolving back to their former glory, well not entirely they'll remain blind and ignorant to their old way of life, but they are growing more intelligent and will eventually develop a new culture. In the end, the snow elves survived this atrocity but it does beg the question of what happened to their original slavers of whom were gifted in the ways of technology and magic of which was unlike anything we saw. But these little pricks just vanished.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@somedude9309 Well, many of them probably still eat the fungus as well as Chaurus, and while they may be getting smaller, I doubt they'll fully return to their OG form, with or without blindness. They'll be as smart as Goblins/Reiklings at best, but active outside help would be needed to actually help these guys, and who knows how long that would take, and if they can even acquire sentient souls again

[@sparticusfinch8588]

I've been on a huge Snow Elf kick lately. While I'm working I've been listening to your lore videos, and I've been wishing that there was more about the Falmer! How convenient.

[@bacd-nn2lg]

It's only a matter of time before Falmer will start moving to the surface again.

[@thesnep4757]

@Giorgos Georgiou The Imperials/Empire aren't perfect, much like every race. They can be pretty racist too, at least according to history. But I do hope that Snow Elves could find a way to become intergrated into society somewhere in the future. I want that game.

[@steakinbacon8593]

Gelebor says that when the possibility of communication with the falmer arrives he will seek to educate them on sho they once were and what lead to them becoming what they are now so it is possible a peicefull existence with them could happen maybe not at first but it could still happen

[@steakinbacon8593]

@Giorgos Georgiou the toxin although primarily caused their blindness it also paved the way for the dwarves to really fuck up the snow elves. In every dwemer ruin with snow elves there's always torture devices which implies that th3 dwemer tortured the snow elves a combination of being forced to eat the fumgus,torture,forced to live underground would eventually lead to them devolving into what they are now and it never helped that the dwemer automatons prevented them from easily accessing the serface. If the falmer stop eating the fungus their sight will eventually return however it will take centuries or more for them to evolve to look even remotely what they use to look like before

[@darkoni3677]

This is one of your best video's, the Falmer are one of the most interesting races in all of The Elder scrolls. I have been playing TES since Arena as a child.

[@root9065]

Very cool video guys, loved the intro poem :) *Humble suggestion that might help spruce up the visual content in the videos* - you could play with lower FOV values when recording these panning shots to variate the focal distance, which helps create more dramatic cinematic scenes and an enhanced sense of scale for NPCs and objects. For example, Skyrim's default FOV of 65, is the equivalent of a 28mm camera lens which is quite wide and helps capture large areas, and landscapes, but the disadvantage is that NPCs and objects appear tiny. On combat scenes, you could experiment with FOV 39.6 which provides the focal length of the 50mm camera lens, or FOV 23.9 which is the equivalent to an 85mm lens - ideal for panning portrait shots of NPCs and such. Of course you would have to increase the distance you capture the subject from, and really decrease sucsm to 0.1 or something, to pan smoothly at these FOV values. There's even depth of field mods such as "Marty McFly's Advanced DOF " that you can try, for slightly out of focus backgrounds.

[@somedude9309]

-10

[@bbraonain]

I always wonder if the reason for blinding the snow elves was so that they could assist with tonal architecture? In hopes that the Falmer would develop the ability to hear something the Dwemer where missing. This making the Falmer the most tragic Dwemer experiment.

[@Raheghar]

I loved the snow elves lore and it always saddens me their tragic fate T_T

[@nathanwhite64]

I wiped out all the Falmer in Blackreach. They never saw it coming.

[@mndrag]

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[@Rodiacreed]

Guys keep up the awesome content. The way your quality never wanes is why you are one of my favourite channels.

[@Teardehawkee]

Always wish there was a way to save the Snow Elves from there fate.

[@Twilight24682]

Why they attacked a whole city killing woman and children they deserved punishment

[@edwinrosario3849]

@@Twilight24682 could have been any number of reasons, despite the peace Ysgramor and those from Atmora were likely members of the Dragon Cult and were claiming more and more land as their own this could have led to skirmishes between the two sides that we never saw. After all, the Dragon Cult is known for its brutality so it makes sense for those who believe in it to still act as their religion would dictate, even in a new land. Also we only have the word of the Nords and the Night of Tears to confirm that it was just a farming village but I do not think so; this is a people who are known for their embellishments when it comes to accomplishments and demonizing their foes further than they should be. Not only that but after reading through the night of Tears and information surrounding the Nord-Falmer War, it seems that most of the Falmer were unprepared for the return of the Nords. Perhaps it was a small force that made their way into the city as the Imperial Report suggested and made their way into the center because they detected the eye of Magnus. With such a powerful tool in the hands of new and likely aggressive arrivals it makes sense for the strike to secure it but the situation got out of hand resulting in them destroying Saarthal. It could have been a group that was just tired of the Atmorans constantly taking land that wasn't rightfully theirs or a noble who believed that such a power was a threat to the snow elves. After all, if you were the leader of a nation and suddenly detected that a rival nation has access to high grade uranium necessary for the construction of nuclear warheads, a surgical strike would be warranted. The entire situation could have been a mistake blown out of proportion and would have been settled in a talk, someone needed to pay but not the entire Snow Elf civilization and population. Edit: sorry for the initial jumbled mess.

[@evandxvies]

@@Twilight24682 they had reasons

[@erikkr.r.m7380]

more faith and devotion to Auri-el

[@x3papichulo3x78]

I think the god of luck tried to help them but they didn’t trust him

[@frozentspark2105]

This is your best lore video FM. I've spent days in Forgotten Vale exploring every inch of it and I'm still in awe. Thanks for helping us remember 😀

[@Reckless-02]

I like how almost every elder scrolls game shows the last of a people’s race. Morrowind shows the last Dwemer Dwarf, Then Skyrim shows the last Snow Elves, Then Elder scrolls online shows the Last Alyied King...

[@thalmoragent9344]

Yeah, I feel for the Mer honestly. Whenever humans and Elves meet, either there's; Uneasy Peace, Human Enslavement, or Elven Genocide. It's always the same thing, over and over. Unfortunately for the Snow Elves, humans once again show lack of restraint and choose to bathe in blood and destroy all Elven lives they see.

[@Reckless-02]

@@thalmoragent9344 yeah it's pretty sad

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@Reckless-02 Sucks man, really does. One day, I hope the other races of Mer can band together and remain isolated from the destructive races of Man. I mean, the Yokudans straight up nuked their continent just so they could have a chance at killing off their Elven rivals. Humans have no chill whatsoever

[@Reckless-02]

@@thalmoragent9344 i heard about that, cant beat them die with them, stubborn ill give the yokudans that.

[@Etticos.]

@@thalmoragent9344 the mer races can be just a horrible to men. You know about the Aeylids right?

[@VerySlimChance]

Thank you FudgeMuppet crew for helping me rediscover my love for the lore, backstory and tiny details of the most immersive and entertaining game franchise I’ve ever played. You guys are great don’t change a thing👍

[@connorross4571]

I thought Gelebor received immortality from Auriel.

[@greybrother7274]

You've breathed more life with this video than any of the 800 rereleases of skyrim. Really good stuff 👍

[@barisi.8454]

They should characterize fudgemuppet in tes 6 to honor him..

[@SpadesPlaysIt]

Them*

[@mirrynmcwilliams937]

An adventuring Bard who gives little lore bits whenever you come across him, and misc quests that take you around the map?

[@vfox1582]

Three hooded bards that travel across Tamriel.

[@barisi.8454]

@@SpadesPlaysIt thanks for correction

[@barisi.8454]

@@vfox1582 Haha i imagine them as librarians, but bards sounds better

[@nofaith9116]

I love the Snow Elves, I wish I could play as one in a future game. I would love to know more about their lore, culture and histroy, but sadly its forgotten. Idk why they had the worst outcome of all the races

[@thalmoragent9344]

Exactly, they got the worst death. All the other fallen races still have ruins, history, even some culture that we can see and learn about, but the Snow Elves got completely done dirty, like... there's NOTHING left of their civilization, it's tragic, and terrible. No ruins, culture, nothing, poor Gelebor. And how do we know the Nords aren't lying, why wouldn't the Snow Elves have asked for the Eye, saying it was an important item for their God? I feel there's a lot the Nords didn't write down, to victimize themselves more for future writers. No attempts of diplomacy, at all, from a race of evidently very peaceful elves in comparison to the all the ones we know of? Just saying, something doesn't add up. This doesn't justify killing all the innocents in Saarthal, no, but seriously, the entire race to be killed for the destruction of ONE city? That's BS, and I say Ysgramor should've ended the war to respect the fallen Snow Prince, the Snow Elf that the nords so clearly thought was a great Warrior to the point they gave him a proper, honorable burial.

[@demetriusstiakkogiannakes1326]

@@thalmoragent9344 The Snow Elves surely had a reason to protect the Eye Of Magnus. As the Psijic's thought it was not safe to be around as well.I'm pretty sure the Nords did not gave it to the them as a means to keep it for themselves.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@demetriusstiakkogiannakes1326 Yeah, the Nords being a very warmongering race definitely doesn't make anyone adept with Magic all that comfortable. Albeit not quite Canon (Michael Kirkbride), now that I know the Eye of Magnus was stolen from them after Ysgramor took it away. It killed his friend cause of course, they were messing with it). And yeah, given there's stuff like "Ysgramor’s provocations" and all that, which we know the history books would never mention, as history is written from the victors. The Snow Elves didn't even kill all the humans in Skyrim, just Ysgramor and his lot out of Saarthal. Again, not saying the Night of Tears isn't still a tragedy, if they truly did just kill everyone there including children, but they have a FAR more moral leg to stand on given they were, at this rare, defending their home from invaders

[@Milkman12345]

Tbh if you look at the current nords, it’s possible the nords started the night of tears by assaulting random snow elves or something.

[@Milkman12345]

Because I could see nords doing something like that.

[@areyax3431]

Thanks for helping keep skyrim alive I hope you guys get the recognition from all tes fans for being a huge part keeping the series alive for us long time fans and help us keep faith tes 6 will come soon ♥️

[@sassy8480]

Me: goes to bed early because new sleeping schedule. Also me: watching Falmer lore at 4am

[@huntermulhall4849]

Same here, but 5am.

[@bigweiner4217]

The only 2 things I'd wish they'd change is the deity of luck marrying a nord, and most of all, a little girl killing the snow prince.

[@Awesiim]

I love watching your videos! I find myself saving them for especially hard days when I need to relax

[@Stan-su8wj]

Best lore channel on all of the internet keep up the amazing work!

[@jinnmoxx5976]

The Snow Elves (Falmer) story is a such a depressing tale. Once an ancient race of elves who ruled a kingdom in Skyrim, now twisted creatures who became pests in their own homeland. After Vyrthur's demise, it's sad to think that probably the current Falmer are irreversible and that Gelebor is truly the last of his kind. Heck, whenever I get killed by a Falmer I don't even get mad when I start over.

[@steakinbacon8593]

Yeah whenever I kill a falmer I now tend to respectfully put them in a burial pose and cover them in gold and jewels what happened to their race was completely uncalled for regardless of what a what did or did not happen at Saarthal but you know ysgramor being the bloodthirsty prick he is wanted to keep the murder spree going even when he should have stoped long before the siege of solsthiem. And who knows maybe we will see more original snow elves in the next game

[@bocajelkinh]

This is my ASMR.

[@phatbassanchor]

Altmer, Bosmer, Dunmer, Orsimer, Maormer, Snow Elf? That has always bothered me. Does Gelebor say that Falmer means Betrayed or is it just that Falmer is too strong of a reminder of the betrayal of the Dwemer? Is Falmer actually how Snow Elf is said in the Elvish tongue of Nirn? Thanks for all the awesome! Adventure on friends, Phat

[@gas132]

Falmer is Snow Elf in elvish Gelebor prefers to be called Snow Elf, because Falmer is only really associated with the hostile mob in dwemer ruins and these lovely creatures are also "the betrayed" so while Falmer literally means Snow Elf, to Gelebor, it is synonymous with the betrayed so he'd rather, you call him Snow Elf

[@Sithisine]

Yes, Falmer translates to Snow Elf. Gelebor doesn't like being called a Falmer because people associate Falmer with the so called Betrayed that attack anyone in the Dwemer Ruins.

[@FortyFM4]

My two favorite roles are the last Yokudan Ansei, and the last of the snow elves. Maybe one of these two warriors was thrown through time, maybe they were resurrected to bring a great justice to the world...one thing is for certain. This sad, yet powerful being will wander an alien world, doomed or destined to be alone...

[@thesnep4757]

Can we get a game where we play as the Snowelfarine?

[@thecomedygamingnetwork261]

Fudgemuppet you couldnt have uploaded at a better time woke up 8am getting screamed at again by my mentalcase my mother she just dipped out now i get to relax to this Thank you

[@stealthkillz3114]

Him and Lady Of Scrolls are why I love to watch TES Lore. Before them both, I watched MrRhexx.

[@internetpleb4854]

Years ago I created a snow elf guardian build for bit of solitary/monastic role play. He would guard the chantry, fight back the betrayed when they got too close, explore the caverns uncover the canyons secrets and recover artifacts. Using console commands and movement mods I would endeavor clean up the ruins and debris to try repairing some of the damage done to the chantry but the inner sanctum remands destroyed. All to reclaim and small fragment of what was lost and to create a viable sanctuary for any surviving snow elves who might one day make their way to attain the enlightenment of Auri El once again.

[@ibrahimdeniz364]

Who tf would dislike this? The Atmorans?

[@YūreiMagnet]

The Dwemer

[@owenmills3517]

I’ve just started playing eso and Skyrim again and I’m reminded of how good those games are, eso is fast paced and addictive whereas Skyrim is a carefully crafted masterpiece that immerses me more than any other game

[@G_Silent]

Tundra, oh my. What a soundtrack and that Duduk

[@NightHealer8284]

The Dwemer definitely gaslighted the Snow Elves

[@bassemfed8654]

You guys are amazing you make great videos and made get more in the elder scrolls univers and fall more in love with it keep up the good work we love it

[@zeveria7206]

According to the Gelebor, the Atmorans and Snow Elves were always at war because the Atmorans claimed Skyrim was their ancestral home and wanted to conquer it. This is further supported by the Night of Tears suggesting that Snow Elves and Dwemer shared the Eye of Magnus and were thus able to advance far beyond what would be expected from their time period. However, the Atmorans built their city of Saarthal over the Eye's resting place and tried to keep it away from the Snow Elves, who retaliated and attacked Saarthal. In addition, the Atmorans were ruled by the Dragons and the Dragon Priests. I doubt the Dragon Cult ever had an interest of peace with the Snow Elves or anyone else. And even if they were, it would make sense for the Snow Elves to let some other race "peacefully" steal their land and start setting up civilization.

[@JusticeLoeffler]

Hey fudge loving your content been watching you for a long time are you guys gonna be done with builds which I would fully get you have done it so long just figured I'd ask since ik it takes along time to make them or you just waiting for new game? Well regardless I love you guys and am glad you have grown so much have a good day fudge. 😃 P.s. almost 900k you guys are close to 1 mil. 👏

[@FudgeMuppet]

Thanks man! We will occasionally drop a build when inspiration strikes but ye, it takes a while to trial them out and we are just super excited for a fresh game with new systems to learn :)

[@JusticeLoeffler]

Well thx for the reply I hear you there well I'll see you guys around loving the lore videos 😃

[@wall1025]

They should have a quest line in ES6 where you cure them or dam them. So In ES7 you can play as them or see them around.

[@steakinbacon8593]

Or better yet have a quest that allows you to travel back in time and stop the dwemer from enslaving the snow elves and forcing them to eat the fungus and then maybe lead some of those snow elves to a place they won't be found by the atmorans. The reward could be that you unlock them as a playable race for your next character or sonething

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@steakinbacon8593 I love this idea, save some Falmer from the Atmorans and have them remain in a pocket plane of Oblivion, but not a bad one, one that's safe and good for their Snowy preference, and they can then leave there and go to the Chantry of Auriel and meet with Gelebor, who can become their next Snow Prince, and inhabit the Vale fully

[@DiscipleToki]

After years of play I have developed the ability to know where the invisible Falmer are standing 99% of the time, if you rely on your hearing and have something like Windows Sonic for Headphones or similar, if you just wait and listen you will see them with sound. It is a nifty trick, I can even dodge the invisible arrows. Now some may not believe it and that is fine but in truth it is my experience time and time again with the falmer. It is amazing how much depth the game actually has, apply basic principles of relying on other senses and you can indeed sense the Falmer. Just a fun little side effect of over playing Skyrim, between modding the game myself, advising other mod lists, testing and playing I have around 3k hours logged. So that that for what you will. :)

[@Shad0wplay]

Such a great video! Thank you. You are a fantastic storyteller.

[@nemmott1235]

Jofrior's sword would make for a very cool 1H weapon mod. Could have an enchantment that mixes that of Mehrunes Razor and Wuuthrad - "Hits have a small chance to instantly kill elves".

[@aoifeandginny5569]

Would be cool if there was a tv show about the Falmer and the Nords at war.

[@francisharkins]

I remember as a kid when I first played Skyrim on the 360 (probably was 15 or 16 at the time) I loved the concept of Dragon Priest masks but didn't like the enchantments on them, so I used a Falmer Mask to make my own personal "dragon priest mask" it was silly and dumb, but fun times. Then I got the Snow Elf armor and fell in love with light armor, because damn thats a nice design. Dawnguard really was an amazing dlc in skyrim.

[@KyoMobius]

Plot twist ysgamor was dragon priest killed the needs to have a reason to kill the kind snow elf

[@jamesmccarthy962]

Damn if we discovered through one faction questline that ysgamor was a dragon cultist that would have been incredible

[@huntermulhall4849]

@@jamesmccarthy962 Ahzidal, one of the guys that helped Ysgramor wipe out the Falmer, became a dragon priest.

[@idipped2521]

Nothing to bring up the mood like a 20+ minute video from FudgeMuppet

[@bilalmayruk8797]

İs there snow Khajiit’s ? That would be cool

[@bilalmayruk8797]

Afatasi Sausasi lmao

[@YūreiMagnet]

@A Markarth Guard *I'll slaughter you all once I get out of this loading screen!*

[@rodrickoftaokingdom1557]

This is helping me role-playing my snow elf with my nodded snow elf battle mage.

[@Nixicated]

I'm not crying, you are! .....😭

[@tenneseeangel1293]

I've always wondered if the snow elves were blinded because the dwemer didn't want them to see how they make their machines.

[@mojowarrior4578]

This was very interesting, thanks for uploading 👍

[@ArizonaTeaMan]

I really feel like the snow elves didn't attack the atmorans the only proof we have is from the one nord and if it was for the eye of magnus the fact they had all that time while he traveled makes me believe they could have stopped them if it was for that, also maybe there's a possibility some moved to where the atmorans came from since if it's so cold there and they are snow elves they gave a higher chance of living there

[@ComradeHistorian]

Yeah im also very skeptical of the idea the Elves attacked first. The history of the event is entirely from the Nords perspective and full of propaganda. Additionally, mans first historian was Ysgramor himself, that fact alone discredits the Night of Tears for me. The Snow Elves were the most peaceful race not just of Elf, but of all races. There is no record of a war before the Nords came, and even when they came the Elves let them stay. The races of man have a history of genocide of Elves. The Yokudans and Redguards eradicated the Left Handed Elves for seemingly no reason. The Nords did the same to the Snow Elves. It's hardly even a theory, everything we know leads us to believe the Night of Tears is pure propaganda

[@devshah2939]

What a lovely video. Loved it.

[@doomedash]

SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE SNOW ELVES

[@weirdreportt]

I agree. The true sons of Skyrim are the Snow Elves not the intruding Nords /Atmorans!

[@thegame_master2900]

I don't exactly agree if they had the favor of a god then, then they were supposed to be like this. It's sad but conquest is part of Skyrim. Tamriel, unfortunately, belongs to those who smite their enemy's the hardest.

[@sxcJOELisNotsexy]

At least the soil does..

[@timtaylor9298]

@Preston Henson The cause of the Night of Tears was never really figured out. For all we know, the attack may have been caused by an extremist group and the rest of the Snow Elves may not have found out until too late. Essentially a Merethic Thalmor of sorts. But who knows.

[@XJonAye]

Id like to see a quest that let's you peer into what ruins looked like at their peak

[@bengainey4903]

The entire story of the falmer/snow elves after Saarthal is “fuck around and find out”

[@thalmoragent9344]

What do you mean, exactly? Is this against the Atmorans or the Snow Elf?

[@bengainey4903]

@@thalmoragent9344 Snow elves. The Atmorians wiped the floor with them.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@bengainey4903 To be fair, Sai the God of luck likely had a lot to do with that. Don't forget the Atmorans also had dragons, which probably is part of the reason we don't see any Snow Elf Ruins in Skyrim. Dragons, Azidal, Ysgramor and his 500 Companions, Sai... to be fair, the Snow Elves had far from a fair fight against the Atmorans. Still, the Snow Prince was still a marvel, solely killing the greatest of the Atmoran Warriors that day. Hope he was sent to a great place in Aetherius with his Aedric Ancestors, like Auriel.

[@Natsumi4709]

Gelebor did say that there may be other hidden communities of untainted snow elves. Makes me think Bathesda is or has considered adding them as a playable race in the future.

[@ciaranmck4469]

Old comment but they certainly won't make it a playable race, they were just tossed in during daggerfall, they were never ment to be anything more than lore, skyrim changed that as well as a lot of other stuff but they won't go that far they're aware of the criticism they got from all the retconing shit

[@mustyfan1584]

If the Falmer stop eating the toxic mushroom that degenerated them, they *might* be able to return to a semblance of their former selves. I certainly hope so.

[@themeanestkitten]

Ya, like breaking glass and gluing it back together Good as new 😄

[@mustyfan1584]

@The MeanestKitten Haha fair point. I don’t expect them to return to their full selves (other than by divine intervention by Auriel). But if they stopped eating the mushrooms, their blindness, madness, and perhaps even their degenerated appearance could be helped.

[@willhanna3139]

That's brutal, especially how the dwemer forced them to consume fungus that ruined their whole race. I hope they make a comeback in elderscolls 6 would be badass to play as a sunelf

[@michaelford6261]

I know this will probably never happen but it would be awesome if a secret society of snow elves (uncorrupted) still live and one day we get to see it! Hiding away but still alive and living life

[@Americasanders]

Plot twist. It was the dewmer who used the name of the falmer during the night of tears and caused the fight between the snow elf and man

[@cationicarmour5106]

I personally believe that the dwemer themselves where so focused on tonal science that they blinded themselves or were blind and they adopted the snow elves to their traditions as part of the sheltering from the nord invaders from Atmora

[@adarshkamoda9183]

Elves: *Have everything Men: "Can we have-" Elves: "NO."

[@thalmoragent9344]

To be fair, the Humans were technically encroaching on Snow Elf land. Snow Elves allowed it and wanted peace cause they figured not to be petty, but like children, Man kept taking more and more for granted, and eventually, once hostility grew with increasing demands and the Atmorans claiming Skyrim was actually there's, well.... turns out it was the humans greedy in this situation, Snow Elves had a right to fear a group of humans that worshipped dragons in cults, just saying.

[@adarshkamoda9183]

@@thalmoragent9344 I would really like to have a discussion with you about the Snow Elves and Atmorans because you seem like a reasonable person. I have to say, though, that your perspective is very biased towards the Snow Elves because it does not take into account the Atmoran theology that states the Nords were created by the breath of Kyne upon the Throat of the World. The Atmorans then migrated to Atmora for unknown reasons and now began to return to Skyrim, the land of their birth as a people. That is why the annihilation of the Snow Elves and settling of Skyrim by the Atmorans is called "The Return". You say that the Snow Elves were the ones rising above pettiness and that the Atmorans just began taking too much - like children - yet I could just as easily say that the Atmorans were being uncharacteristically tolerant to their ancient enemy, the Snow Elves by peacefully coexisted with the Elves in what should be Atmorans' sovereign land. As for fearing a dragon-worshipping people, I'd have to disagree. The tablets along the 7000 Steps vaguely outlined that dragons use to rule the world peacefully and wisely, only Speaking for "true need". I believe it most likely that dragons only began to turn towards domination when Alduin did so as well. As the World-Eater turned towards dominating, so did the dragons and perhaps so did the Atmorans become cruel in war. The Atmorans needed land to settle, fleeing war and a changing climate, so I can understand why they were so desperate in seizing land. Atmorans were concerned for their whole species. But still, that doesn't justify the Snow Elves outright attacking Saarthal and wiping out all but three of it's population. Yes, I can see a lot of faults in humans in both real life and in the Elder Scrolls but this idea of Elves being this better species is sorely unjustified. We don't know what provoked the Snow Elves and there seem to be varying accounts of the relations between Snow Elves and Atmorans from "they were friendly" to "they just tolerated each other and nothing more".

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@adarshkamoda9183 Ah, thanks for the conversation! I'm totally open to a discussion with a fellow fan such as yourself. Although, even if Skyrim was where Nords were born to fight the Elves back when the Ehlnofey were fighting under Trinimac and Lorkahn, that means Elves have been in Skyrim just as long as the ancient Nords were. If anything, the fact the Nords got separated from Skyrim and stuck on Atmora after old Aldmeris was sundered by the Ehlnofey Wars, means the Snow Elves have a higher claim to Skyrim. Their Aldmer Ancestors were there just as long as the Nords, (and in all honesty, even longer) and unlike the Nords, they remained in Skyrim, which would've changed a bit over time as well, and the Aldmer would, as they always do, adapt to their new environment, and became white skinned and eventually called Snow Elves, and maybe other Aldmer took to the underground in and around Skyrim and mainly Morrowind, and evolved into Dwemer. Anyways, I've defended the Snow Elves time and time again, because much of the community seems to think Ysgramor tantrum was totally justified and that all of the Snow Elves across the entire Province were somehow guilty and deserving. And I mean, just as what was said in the video and other sources, we still don't know what exactly transpired before the Night of Tears in Saarthal, so who knows what the Eye of Magnus had to do with it. They never took it with them, or did anything with it from what we know Maybe they feared the warlike Atmorams using it for war purposes, or who knows. Atmorans coming in droves and acclaimed Skyrim as their homeland, so I mean... they were worried what would become of them if these Atmorans came and decided they didn't want to be friendly, and used the Eye of Magnus to help them. The Snow Elves fearing this is understandable. Doesn't justify killing all the innocents in Saarthal, no of course not, but Ysgramor and his 500 Companions probably killed them all because they likely didn't want to "share" their homeland with its other native inhabitants. He probably used Saarthal and blew it out of proportion to the Atmorans back at Atmora to "justify" killing all Snow Elves, probably claiming BS like "Oh, they can't be trusted, Saarthal was the last straw" or "we did nothing wrong, theh just declared war on all the Nedes in Skyrim and killed everyone for no reason", etc. And we know little to nothing about the whole story except from, of course, a humans point of view, something to take into consideration 👀 Long story/rant incoming, sorry but I'm VERY passionate on this subject; Undoubtedly, the Snow Elves knew the Atmorans were hiding something, and they were right to fear it. If they came with claims that Skyrim was actually their "homeland" then the Snow Elves would take this as a huge potential threat. I try to think of things from a Snow Elf point of view; Atmorans come claiming Skyrim as their true homeland and land on top of an Aedric power, and the Snow Elves, the most peaceful elves we know of, next to the Bosmer, are fearful of this and try and kick them all from Saarthal, which then leads to a Genocide that spans multiple generations with all of their people and cities destroyed with no traces left. Now, why wouldn't the Snow Elves have asked for the Eye, saying it was an important item for their God? I feel there's a lot the Nords didn't write down, to victimize themselves more for future writers. No attempts of diplomacy, at all, from a race of evidently very peaceful elves in comparison to the all the ones we know of? Just saying, something doesn't add up. This doesn't justify killing all the innocents in Saarthal, no, but seriously, the entire race to be killed for the destruction of ONE city? That's BS, and I say Ysgramor should've ended the war to respect the fallen Snow Prince, the Snow Elf that the nords so clearly thought was a great Warrior to the point they gave him a proper, honorable burial.

[@adarshkamoda9183]

@@thalmoragent9344 I agree with you in terms of the Old Elnohfey and Wandering Elnohfey perspective. The Old Elnohfey remained on the original Tamriel the longest so have the truest claim to their land. The Wandering Elnohfey thought they would be welcomed back as long-lost kin but they weren't. The book that told this tale mentioned explicitly that the reasons for the war breaking out was unknown, though it would have been reasonable to assume the Wandering Elnohfey wanted a piece of Tamrielic land and so attacked the Old Elnohfey. You're absolutely justified in taking the Snow Elves' point of view on this. Wiping out an entire race is almost impossible to justify in any fantasy situation. You'd need a race of monsters that do nothing but kill, kill and kill other species with no reason except malice. This does not hold true for the Snow Elves, yet I think it is reasonable to assume that Ysgramor must have had a good reason because he won in the end - wiping out Snow Elven civilization into the most tattered books. As for why the Snow Elves didn't take Eye of Magnus, perhaps they were still holding out in the ruins of Saarthal and Ysgramor drove them out of Saarthal as the first objective? Maybe the Snow Elves were trying to figure out how to move the Eye without incurring major damage? If the Snow Elves really did want to safeguard the Eye, why didn't they take it? It just makes the most sense. Perhaps the Elves thought that dealing such a heavy blow against the Atmorans meant that the humans would be too afraid to attack the clearly technologically superior Elves or that the humans had no way of mounting any real resistance. After all, the Elves knew where, when and how to attack Saarthal and sacked the city in a way only people who knew the layout of the city could. This may have been due to the magic of the Snow Elves. Why the Snow Elves would fear humans such as the Atmorans and still allow them to have residence in their land makes little sense to me. We know that both races have had interactions on the scale of religious war in the most primordial sense. One could argue that perhaps the Snow Elves were trying to avoid a second Dawn Era war but due to religious and political internal strife, they moved against the Atmorans who are clearly warlike and may claim Skyrim for themselves. Better "to nip the problem in the bud", right? You keep describing the Snow Elves as peaceful but I don't think that's the case. They never seemed to have many interactions with their neighbours, who consisted mainly of the Dwemer and later the Chimer and perhaps the Khajiit and Argonians (as the latter two races are known to be natives of Tamriel). Yet, we also know that the first interactions between Khajiit, Argonians and Altmer were in war and conflict. Khajiit reputedly populated all of Tamriel and Argonians once had an advanced civilization of their own. My point being we don't know of many interactions the Snow Elves had but they were undoubtedly sophisticated as heck. So, it begs a similar question to yours as to why the Snow Elves chose to war with the Atmorans? Perhaps they thought that the war would be easily won and that negotiating with these 'savages who didn't even have a written language' wouldn't bear any fruit? Like you described Men as children taking land greedily, I don't think the Snow Elves were that nice. The Dwemer lacked all compassion, the Ayleids enslaved humans brutally and the Chimer take death and deceit as their religion. Perhaps the Snow Elves thought they had been too generous by allowing the Atmorans to live in Skyrim and the more aggressive leaders of Snow Elven society thought they could win if they struck first. The Snow Elves remained in Tamriel for longer so it may be they have clearer records of the Dawn Era and some of them may have been pushing to wipe out the Atmorans. Imagine what Tamriel could have been if the Snow Elves remained in Skyrim...

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@@adarshkamoda9183 The Snow Elves certainly were far more peaceful than the other races of Mer at the time. I mean, they let humans come in and eventually spread from Skyrim to the rest of Tamriel with no issue. They let some stay and build in Skyrim and, unlike the other races of Mer, they didn't enslave or torture Humans. They lived in their Isolated Province with no mention of war outside Skyrim. They were content with what they had and we have no reason or evidence to believe that they had any conflicts with their neighboring Provinces. They liked it there, were best adapted to the Tundra of Skyrim, and given the Dwemer were an immoral race as it was, it says a lot that they had respected each other's presence in Skyrim for as long as they did, opting to stay out of each other's way and go about their business. A race of Mer that figured to just let bygones be bygones and let humans live in peace for who knows how long in the same province? I buy it. The Atmorans coming and claiming more and more land as theirs can only last for so long before the Snow Elves would of course get uncomfortable with how the humans would be so bold. I mean, yeah, the Snow Elves were definitely generous given the dangerous nature we knew of the Atmorans of the time, dragon cults with no written language that come en masse... I mean, what other race do you know of that would be willing to take in foreigners with little to no issues until they came over and settled a city over an Aedric Artifact? One so important to the Snow Elves, given their sun aesthetic, you'd think the Snow Elves would simply ask for it as tribute for letting the humans stay in peace, and given the attitude of Nords today... not too far fetched to consider that maybe the Atmorans were being difficult and passive-aggressive about it. Yeah the races of Mer have had their own problems, but notice with the Chimer, they had followed Dunmer, and so did some Aylieds (don't forget many Aylieds also joined Allesia and her rebellion, likely ones that worshipped Aedra instead), and Dwemer are a very interesting situation even for Mer and Man or Beast alike. Just saying, Snow Elves couldn't have been all that bad given they had the least high and mighty attitude of their other Elven cousins when it came to humans. They let the Atmorans have as much as they did, and eventually they demanded and took too much, with the Eye of Magnus not being given over as the last straw. Even then, we don't know if this was a unanimous decision across Snow Elven leaders, or just one guy thinking "yep, they have the Eye of Magnus and we're already having problems with them as it is, can't let this get out of hand with an Aedric Artifact hanging in the balance", and given what we know, Atmorans probably had no idea what it really even was, so I mean... they could've been tampering with it for all we know, and the Snow Elves figured they had gone too far and were being difficult and were now too dangerous. It's also worth a mention that Saarthal was the only human settlement destroyed. Later, a Snow Elf makes a journal and says his family is hiding with a family host, which they don't name so that they won't be scrutinized if they ever got found out about. So clearly, Saarthal was being a pest and some Snow Elves figured they could only handle so much ignorance and greed from the Humans before they had to put their foot down. Ysgramor probably left the Eye buried since he knew the Eye meant a lot to the Elves and he figured that it was dangerous and they obviously weren't sophisticated enough to be able to even comprehend its true nature. My take on it is that Ysgramor figured that since tensions were rising and Atmora was becoming less hospitable, he'd kill all the Snow Elves by blowing the situation out of proportion to the Atmorans back home and used it as an excuse to annihilate everything in Skyrim to make way for waves of Atmorans to migrate and settle in their "homeland" without needing to share, which again, shows a greedy and childish action from the Humans. Skyrim today is a run down, backwater Province with brutish Nords running about with, in some ways, less sophisticated civilization than even their Atmoran ancestors that had some rather impressive builds that we see in their Ruins. Had Snow Elves remained, Skyrim may very well be better off sophistication wise as of modern times.

[@chrisdelagarza8048]

Man I remember exploring the caves and all the robots🤖 underground it was freaking insane man I would literally travel halfway across the map in one side outside the other. SKYRIM IS AWESOME 😎

[@NecrosAcolyte]

I've always liked the word "caliginous" but never heard a person use it before but me. Good on ya!

[@TheBasedTyrant]

If gelabor gets out there and has sex with every female he can find then the Snow Elves may be restored to their former glory. Although most children take on the race of the mother some do rarely take on the race of the father. If he has even one daughter then the Falmer may be restored to their former glory.

[@Moon_mans]

Low-key wish they would tackle Dark Souls lore

[@tommylee2636]

Snow Elves greed cause their own demised. And the High Elves is headed in that same direction.

[@cherryares7754]

Ehhh, we only have the nord side of events. We cant really judge that it was actually the snow elves greed but honestly your telling me that the snow elf elderly, children, women etc deserved it

[@heavenly2k]

1 minute in and I'm about to fall asleep

[@Necclid]

Someone should make a mod that just adds you and your voice in the game. and allow you to be a follower

[@inviziblealmsivi8286]

I can't wait for the next elder Scrolls game both for your rise to glory again and for the mind shattering gameplay.

[@MrDometheo79]

Masterpiece mate. Just...masterpiece! Hope B Thesda is LEARNING!!! 😡😡😡

[@zadicuscinch2457]

More lore to get me through my final shift this week!

[@dariustiapula]

I was this early. That I narrowly missed the massacre at Saarthal.

[@whiterunguard7271]

Why the thumbnail..😂😂😂 be looking like a Falmer is taking an Instagram selfie?! 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dak4465]

Theyre also a great source of bodies to go choppy choppy on when i want to just glide through some enemies

[@jchamp00]

Who would win: A snow elf royalty that inspires all those around him Or A 12 year old girl

[@jorgecardoso5863]

1:24 Oh boy, he said the forbidden words. Brace yourselves

[@rautamiekka]

I knew it ! I knew the Falmer couldn't just be dealing with their Dwemer masters until the latter suddenly disappeared and everything the latter owned was the former's.

[@glprime2814]

Definitely another excellent vid