Skyrim: Top 5 Ulfric Stormcloak Secrets You (Probably) Never Knew in The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

[@mrlordcatvods5047]

Before we're going to delve into Skyrim politics i just want to say that chickens in skyrim are the true sons of Skyrim.

[@ReplicatorFifth]

Mr. Lord Cat well mine are explosive so idk.

[@suwacc3237]

Skyrim belongs to the gourds!

[@exorias625]

Well its true... Hit one and all of skyrim will be calling up your aas

[@sheogorathdaedricprincesof2975]

@@exorias625 and marry one you get whole Skyrim at your wedding.

[@exorias625]

@@sheogorathdaedricprincesof2975 the only daedric prince id marry is nocturnal... Sorry Plus im a guy soo that makes it worse

[@kevinmoore2474]

Last time I was this early the snow elves were still around

[@jacrispy3275]

Then they went out for some skooma, and never came back.

[@Fenris2]

The last two should have been pounding other elves

[@marhawkman303]

@@Fenris2 Yeah I don't get why you'd just let your race die out. Although part of me wonders what would happen if you raised a Falmer on a diet of.. whatever Snow Elves eat.

[@idc.magna.7169]

Last time I was this early my dad was still around

[@imperiumxv1599]

Mathew C. What my dad said

[@James11111]

"The risk I took was calculated. But man, am I bad at math." ~ Ulfric, after killing Torryg and starting a civil war instead of just asking nicely.

[@joethewarbringer69]

"asking nicely"...what are you ? a boot licking imperial ?

[@joethewarbringer69]

@Hoàng Nguyên you don't seem to understand how skyrim works...

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@Hoàng Nguyên Balgruuf never challenged Ulfric what are you smoking?

[@anaelgamboarojas2874]

Ulfric (and many other characters)did said that Torryg was a weak leader. Ulfric probably new they needed some one strong to leed Skyrim.(assuming that the dominion would try to attract Skyrim after it had gain its freedom and reinstated the worship of Talos) He probably though he was the better leader and tronger with military experience. So he he killed Torryg to send a message it was all a PLAN. (Just my idea)

[@NOHTenma]

@@anaelgamboarojas2874 I just thought that Ulfric was upset that Skyrim *had* a weak leader. And his temper and pride lead him to challenge Torygg which lead to the high kings death. But I do like your guess, honestly lol

[@cookiewoke1899]

"Skyrim belongs to the Nords!!! And the khajiit dragonborn...I guess"

[@terrrario1014]

You probably meant that everything IN Skyrim belongs to the Khajiit

[@shadowhunter0815]

@@terrrario1014 In fact, don't be surprised, if you wake up and you and your nice nord house are sudenly located in Elsweyr.

[@blazeofglory2882]

"Khajiit wants coin. Khajiit will kill dragons for coin."

[@konekodraws1064]

No, SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE GOURDS! p.s (thats a mod, its fookin hilarious)

[@martinputt6421]

Koneko Draws The mod that turns guards into sweetrolls is funny too.

[@bryanbridges2987]

"I don't care if she can find a living Dwarf!" 😂 That was hilarious.

[@markcrnjal4025]

Would be even more hillarious if there was a quest where she did just that.

[@coffeepoweredkatie6290]

Say what you like about Ulfric, his deadpan humor is the best lol

[@Loonci]

Me finds 2 snow elves and gets no reward why u bully me

[@SHERMANDERMAN]

Alfric might just be the best character in Skyrim 😂 also u was your comment as I heard him say it and I couldn't stop laughing

[@ulfricstormcloak7044]

@@SHERMANDERMAN I'm the best jarl of Skyrim! Stormcloaks have one of the best armies all around the Tamriel!

[@Aethus]

I'm honestly surprised that there isn't more story about Ulfric being trained by the Greybeards to become one of them. Technically he failed the training that one out of hundreds of people get picked for. He used the Voice to murder the king, which I'd imagine pissed off the Greybeards when they learned about it.

[@seraka7386]

Right? I want to know more about him knowing how to shout.

[@evelina3207]

Oh yes

[@ilias856]

no he didn't fail he left to fight in the Great war

[@TheRealStoneyGames]

he did indeed leave of his own accord to fight the war, and yes the greybeards were pissed about the duel but they were already pissed bc he used their teachings for war (The Great War) so thats kinda it

[@DevilDaRebel]

HE didn't murder the High King. He challenged him to a duel and the High King agreed.

[@eddieperaza8948]

And that's why making the dragonborn a Dark Elf is the most ironic thing you can do

[@wildside316]

Or an Altmer😀.

[@panskievpanski6424]

Or anything that isn't a Nord.

[@MrC00kieM0nst3r]

My Nerevarine of Morrowind was a levitating Redguard juggling with keening and sunder...

[@williamleonardreesejr.1992]

I actually really do LOVE my Dunmer Stormcloak Dragonborn. Makes for a really interesting dynamic and you can REALLY manipulate things in Windhelm to accomodate for the Dunmer in a Stormcloaked Windhelm.

[@jaredbrown4626]

Not if you join the Empire

[@afinoxi]

"Skyrim belongs to the Nords !" **plays as khajiit and argonian all the time**

[@RoboDoober]

stormcloaks hate argonians and dark elves

[@drakan4769]

@JAMES COBURN like when freewinter asks you "you one of those skyrim for the nords types?" "yeah, skyrim has no place for people like me... except maybe the houses and plots of land I bought in every single hold"

[@ainzooalgownoverlord8913]

I'm a wood elf.

[@kknives36]

Robo Doober I always role play my Argonian Stormcloak as basically trying to weaken the Province so that Argonians can come in and invade after the war is over.

[@usaydt]

@@RoboDoober both are relatively bad. I chose stormcloaks as the less of two evils. I wish their was a third option where u the dragonborn ruled skyrim

[@Khtras]

Jarl: Ulfric, Markarth has been invaded by the Forsworn... The settlement needs our help, I'll mark it on your map.

[@IAmCannedTuna]

Hey skyrim, Nate here and have I told you guys is a very large place?

[@Sebbir]

Of many things

[@KayakithLebita]

Which guy?

[@holemas]

These comments always get me

[@afinoxi]

"Guys is a very large place" Uh-oh Guy. Very large place. Nope. Just... No.

[@marcelinauy9037]

@@afinoxi (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@williamleonardreesejr.1992]

I believe that it was not Ulfric but the Old Jarl, Jarl Igmund's father, was the one suspected of the tortures of the Forsworn and the cruel prison sentences. We hear about this rather horrific story during the quest where you are thrown into the prison of Markarth.

[@the_dropbear4392]

Yeah all the forsworn mention the jarl killing them. Ulfric wasn't jarl till quite a while afterwards

[@dutchpatriot17]

What makes you think Hrolfdir had a say in that? It was Ulfric's men who reclaimed the city; Hrolfdir didn't have his own guards as they were sent off as conscripts or killed by the Reachmen. Hrolfdir would have been a puppet of Ulfric.

[@williamleonardreesejr.1992]

@@dutchpatriot17 Yeaaaah no. Ulfric did not claim Markarth for himself. He claimed it in the name of Hrolfdir and returned control of the Reach back over to him. Hence why the Forsworn say that it was "the Jarl" that ordered the crimes. The use of "The Jarl" implies that it would be the Jarl most known to the Reach rather then the invading Ulfric.

[@dutchpatriot17]

@@williamleonardreesejr.1992 Ulfric claimed Markarth because of his collaboration with the Thalmor. The Jarl ''ordered'' it, but can you guess who were spared? The ones picked out by the Silver-Bloods. What are the Silver-Bloods? The biggest Stormcloak toadies of the Reach.

[@williamleonardreesejr.1992]

@@dutchpatriot17 I REALLY think that that entire scheme was just Thonar's idea. I even doubt that Thongvar has even the slightest inkling about his brother's schemes.

[@rolanddeak2606]

"Captain Lonely-Gale never in the blue palace. Lul thats true but u wanted to say Palace of the kings i think :D

[@sunnyjim8869]

Roland Deák nah he meant blue palace cause why would he go there?

[@WretchedRedoran]

they are both blue

[@rolanddeak2606]

In windhelm they call it palace of the kings

[@Sacremas]

He never gets to the cloud district either. Oh what am I saying, of course he doesn't.

[@TundrousOfficial]

@@Sacremas i'll have you know there's no PUSSSSSSSSSSSIEEEEEEE

[@SuperGamefreak18]

I wouldn't be surprised if the fight started with the high king sarcastic saying,"if you think you can be a better king then be my guest"

[@Riggy1991]

he might have said it as a joke as Torryg had a lot of respect for Ulfric and when found in Sovrngarde states that if Ulfric had simply asked him to rebel against the Empire he would have done it as he was equally sick of their leniance towards the Thalmor

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@@Riggy1991 there would have been still some sarcasm in it though as you also said as a joke...too bad Ulfric probably took the joke as an insult. Seems like every nord still on the side of the empire knows either about Ulfric's temper or how the war he caused is just making things worse...

[@MrJH101]

@Riggy1991 It’s debatable if King Torygg would have seceded from the Empire and also as to how effective he would have actually been if he did. Some characters state that he would have, and many others state that he would not have. Torygg was said to have close connections with the Empire and would praise them frequently, but was also said to have some sympathies for the Stormcloak cause. He never publicly showed signs of discontentment at the White-Gold Concordat and avoided actually talking about it. Therefore, it’s hard to discern what his true positions or personal motives were, but all this really tells me is that High King Torygg was most likely more of a politician than he was a warrior king. However, no one can ever know for sure what Torygg would have done because, in the end, he never did do anything. Even when Ulfric was imprisoned by the Empire to be used as an imperial scapegoat after he had just liberated Markarth, King Torygg still did nothing. And, unfortunately, that’s how High King Torygg will be remembered for all his deeds, the king who did nothing and was slain for doing nothing.

[@ocstek1471]

@@Riggy1991 that's just a blatant lie lmao, he doesn't say anything even related to that.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

High King Torygg's last words were apparently "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

[@helpfulhandgrenade1472]

*THE STORMCLOAKS WANT TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION*

[@giorgosgeorgiou1702]

Stormcloacks are Ulfric puppets

[@joethewarbringer69]

@@giorgosgeorgiou1702 no...they're his army....damn imperial always trying to screw us over with honeyed words...

[@recklessabandon5678]

@@joethewarbringer69 an army he named after himself.....talk about narcissism

[@joethewarbringer69]

@@recklessabandon5678 the imperials named them that before they were just "nord millitia"

[@recklessabandon5678]

@@joethewarbringer69 legate Rikke literally says that Ulfric gave them that name.....

[@conorfinn1109]

Love this series about individual characters, I’d like to see it continued!

[@TheUltimatePositionOfPower]

Side with the Empire if youre into Conjuration because you can resurrect Ulfric using the master level reanimation spell and then you have an infinitely respawnable NPC who knows all three words of Force.

[@ecvjtv2778]

I would have liked to see the Stormcloaks and the empire stop fighting eachother and unite against the Thalmor

[@marhawkman303]

Some of the dialogs in the quests to assassinate Mede suggest that that may be the goal behind the assassination. "To force a necessary change in policy." IIRC is the quote. Possibly the end goal was to stop being allies of the Thalmor, and kick them out of Skyrim.

[@ecvjtv2778]

I'm almost always siding with the empire cause I don't want anything to do with the big amount of racists that support Ulfric, but boy do I hate them Thalmor. Strutting about believing to be above everything else.. disgusting

[@steveno3141]

@@ecvjtv2778 thats the thing i noticed. While the stormcloaks were racist, the Thalmor were worse. They actively went into other lands and subjugate the people, while the stormcloaks just wanted to be able to rule their land their way.

[@ecvjtv2778]

@@steveno3141 I remember the first time I was doing the peace meeting in high hrothgar. Because of reasons stated earlier, I had intended to support the imperials in about everything. But when I saw Elenwen walk through the door and hearing her "reason" to be there, I made her leave directly. She actually "flew" out the door the first time he he 😏

[@dutchpatriot17]

@@marhawkman303 The Empire is not an ally of the Thalmor. And if you know anything about what happened after the death of Pelagius, you'd know that this has to do with family relations, nothing more.

[@TheAdventurerVideos]

Hey how’s it going nate? It’s guys here.

[@Mermaid89253]

Sliix, this made me laugh way harder than I should’ve

[@TheAdventurerVideos]

Mermaid 89253 hahah

[@tanzhikai9913]

(6 likes

[@shadyblood9637]

Sliix I’m a nord I want to eat your profile pic...

[@mr.heisenberg6517]

Let this be the top comment. 😂

[@ValianceXx]

People really argue over skyrim politics like its real life, not that im complaining.

[@tylerburns6533]

What's really sad is that I used to be one of those people(what can I say, I was a dumb, overly emotional teenager with aspergers), but then I eventually realized that it's just a game and that it's not worth THAT much debate.

[@universal_wisdom3416]

Tyler Burns It is not just a game. It’s an ideology between politics that we go to war for today. People who don’t agree and therefor think something must be wrong mentally with the opposition. Skyrim has showed me firsthand that what’s common sense to you, is not common sense to others. I strongly believe that the High Elves are amongst the worst. If Skyrim politics were used today, I’d be called a racist and a bigot for even saying that without any research into my reasoning by the accusers. You can learn something from how easily the People of Skyrim can be manipulated, especially when related to our world.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

Real world politics: I SLEEP Skyrim Politics: REAL SHIT?

[@Aethuviel]

@@universal_wisdom3416 Literally every person before the late 20th centyry would be considered "racist and bigoted" today. Says something about the arrogance and insanity of the modern world ideology. The Elder Scrolls universe shows rather well how important it is to have a racial interest and preference for one's own kind, like every other organism that ever lived before the "modern, enlightened" western man.

[@MOON_HVNA]

@@Aethuviel it isn't important to uphold one's race. It really depends on one's upbringing and the experience you've made with "outsiders" interracial couples wouldn't simply exist with your logic. that's why I'll choose the empire over the storm cloaks every time they acknowledge that skyrim isn't only populated by the nords conservatism is weakening society. The thalmor are the real danger here Tullius just tries to unify every race that is living in skyrim to hold a chance against them if things get sour.

[@Blaetant.aerys.tauraus]

The one thing I like about these Elder Scrolls games is that they have a storyline and characters from a certain important family and in the next game you can see their past or future legacy. Love the video Nate 😃!

[@williamleonardreesejr.1992]

I think that Captain Lonely-Gale was supposed to be the Captain of Ulfric's guards and that he doesn't want an uprising in his capital not anything more. . . sordid.

[@sirhenry9313]

I thought he was captain of the docks and meant to act as an adviser to this

[@williamleonardreesejr.1992]

@@sirhenry9313 There was some more cut dialog for the guy that he has with Ambarys: Captain Lonely-Gale: "If anything actually happens, call a guard." Ambarys: "If the guards in the Gray Quarter weren't a bunch of n'wahs, I wouldn't be here talking to you." Captain Lonely-Gale: "My men have their orders. But it's a big city and there's a war on. Plus these murders. A few dark elves getting shoved around doesn't amount to much." Ambarys: "Typical Nord. Beard for brains." Captain Lonely-Gale: "Watch that tongue, Rendar, or your whole lot could be down with the Argonians hauling ballast by tomorrow."

[@sirhenry9313]

@@williamleonardreesejr.1992 Did not know that. I've only played on xbox 360 and xbox one, so I haven't been able to delve into all the cut dialogue

[@JB-xl2jc]

It's possible, but the wording is definitely not what I'd have put in as a writer if I wanted Ulfric to be the "good guy". Suggesting he doesn't want a race war *right now* (busy fighting another war) is very very different from suggesting he doesn't want a race war *at all*.

[@williamleonardreesejr.1992]

@@JB-xl2jc I don't think Ulfric himself sees himself as the "Good Guy". Just better then the Empire and he later agrees with Tullius that the Empire are not the "Bad Guys" either. But it is not his Empire. Ulfric. . . . is very complicated and I imagine would be diagnosed with SEVERE PTSD as well as several other issues as a torture survivor.

[@mrkingslayer6620]

"I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing.I fight because I must"

[@b1rdn01r]

Damn I love that quote

[@chadnorris8257]

Sounds like the sunk cost fallacy in action. Ulfric has no chill.

[@kasmidjan]

dont worry i killed the emperor after i killed ulfric in civil war

[@JB-xl2jc]

@@chadnorris8257 Seriously. "I fight because I don't want to admit I was wrong! I fight because I've deluded myself and gotten enough people killed hat admitting I was a fool would get me killed!" Badass quote but... kinda delusional. I can't bring myself to do a Stormcloak run.

[@danmills2734]

Did someone steal your sweet roll?!

[@user-hg9vr7gh2q]

Nobody: My argonian character: SKYRIM IS FOR DA NORDS

[@alpharius5681]

Now that’s a bruh moment

[@Fencepost01]

Those texture mods and armor mods are utterly beautiful.

[@XAlted1]

"Skyrim belongs to the Skeevers" *divine skeever god appears*

[@thehowlinggamer5784]

Nate, I have to disagree here. Given all that Ulfric has been through, his capture and torture by the high elves, the lies he suffered at the hands of the empire after the Markarth incident and being locked up for doing what was asked of him, the initial betrayal of the empire by banning Talos worship, do you seriously think Ulfric woukd have come to Solitude like a kid with his hand out for a sweetroll? Even had he known of Torygg idolizing him, which, from what I managed to discover, has no knowledge of, but if he had, that would have only further cemented his resolve.

[@SeverusHilltop]

yeah and there was no way torygg was gonna get rid of the empire

[@themaskedartist7972]

"Skyrim may belong to the nord, but everything belong to Khajiit." 😏

[@jamesanthony8438]

.. unless you're an Argonian Nightingale. *goes home with a full pack of TheMasked Artist's belongings* =)

[@themaskedartist7972]

@@jamesanthony8438 "This one needs something?" *casually oblivious*

[@stiffy6401]

Yeahhhh you stole a comment.

[@phoenixquill6711]

Anyone read this in a Khajiit accent lol

[@Daan-Dovah]

Me: your souls are mine and only mine *while making a army in skyrim specail edition with mods*

[@vivo-oo4cr]

so, i bought a new headphone and now i feel like nate is inside of my head very weird but cool

[@noahwolff5455]

Who wouldnt want nate in their head

[@SwooshJush83]

Who wouldn’t want Nate inside them

[@doobdoob3]

@@SwooshJush83 Who wouldn't want Nate banging them

[@grrumakemeangry]

connor langridge yeah who wouldnt

[@universal_wisdom3416]

Who wouldn’t want Nate fondling them in the shower

[@ulfricstormcloak4220]

Jarl Balgruuf the ballin' wishes he gets this much attention as I do.

[@raelaash4759]

9:00 Uhh, wait, Ulfric declared himself High King? I'm pretty sure he didn't. He even mentions that the moot of the Jarls have to decide about that. Sure, one would think that he does expect to be the most likely candidate; especially if (IF) the Civil War is going according to his plans, and he reinstates Jarls that support him. But he does clearly mention that no one person can decide this, but only the moot. Where did you get the information that Ulfric declared himself the rightful High King? That's a big assumption...

[@dutchpatriot17]

''The Jarl of Windhelm, Ulfric Stormcloak, claims to be the High King of Skyrim, and is leading the rebellion against the Empire.'' -Loading Screen, Skyrim To quote the oath of the Stormcloaks: ''I do swear my blood and honor to the service of Ulfric Stormcloak Jarl of Windhelm and *true High King of Skyrim* .'' The man makes an oath in which his supporters literally declare him the ''true High King''. Ulfric keeps the Moot from meeting unless if he has installed nothing but puppets. When the Jarls demand the Moot, Ulfric refuses, and outright damns, it.

[@raelaash4759]

@@dutchpatriot17 Again, I am not saying that he doesn't /see/ himself as the most likely next High King. His followers obviously state that they want him to be the High King, else, well, they wouldn't be his followers in a Civil War following the death of the former one by Ulfric's hands. But that is his followers, and not him. Same with the oath, which you have to swear to Galmar, not Ulfric. So yes, does Ulfric think he should become High King? Absolutely. But there is a HUGE difference in going for that position, and in outright declaring himself '[true] High King'. I'll say it again at the end, but this makes the difference between a revolution and outright usurpation, and that's a huge one. All I can find of him saying anything about the matter right now is: "There hasn't been a true High King in Skyrim for generations. For too long he's been hand-picked by the Emperor, and given emphatic nods by milk-drinking Jarls addicted to Imperial coin. It's time we had a real king. One of our own making." Galmar: "Your words give voice to what we all feel, Ulfric. And that's why you will be High King. But the day words are enough, will be the day when soldiers like us are no longer needed." Ulfric: "I would gladly retire from the world were such a day to dawn." Galmar: "And now, I present to you, Ulfric Stormcloak, hero of the people, liberator and High King of Skyrim!" Ulfric: "I am indeed Ulfric Stormcloak, and at my side the man/woman we know as Stormblade, and the world knows as the Dragonborn. And indeed, there are many that call us heroes. But it is all of you who are the true heroes! It was you who fought a dying Empire who sunk its claws into our land, trying to drag us down with it. It was you who fought the Thalmor and their puppets who would have us deny our gods and our heritage. It was you who fought your kin who didn't understand our cause, who weren't willing to pay the price of our freedom. But more than that, it was you who fought for Skyrim, for our right to fight our own battles... To return to our glory and traditions, to determine our own future!" Soldiers: "Huzzah!" Ulfric: "And it is for these reasons that I cannot accept the mantle of "High King." Not until the Moot declares that title should adorn my shoulders will I accept it." "Indeed, Elisif has become Jarl of Solitude, historically and conveniently home of the High King, backed by Imperial interests. But the Moot has not yet met to name her High Queen. And they won't. Not as long as I have any say in it." [After the Battle for Solitude has been won by the Stormcloaks] Ulfric: "Then it is settled. The Jarl will continue to rule Solitude, I will garrison armies here to ward off Imperial attempts to reclaim the city. And in due time, the Moot will meet, and settle the claim to High King once and for all. [...]" Ulfric: "How'd I do?" Galmar: "Eh, not so bad. Nice touch about the High King." Ulfric: "Thank you, I thought so, too." Galmar: "It's a foregone conclusion, you know." Ulfric: "Oh, I know." Finally, if you ask Ulfric if he is to be called High King now, he will tell you: "No, not yet. We'll wait for the Moot to name me High King. It'll be better for all that way. [...]" [ en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Ulfric_Stormcloak ] He challenges the throne for sure, and he officially does so. Quite literally, that's how Torygg died. And yes, he absolutely intends to become High King. But he does /not/ outright call himself the High King. Which might seem minor, but oh hell it is not; that would be usurpation and politically on a completely different scale. Instead, he lets his followers carry this word around, and (mostly?) appoints Jarls who he knows would vote in favour of him during the moot. And sure he does that, else the entire Civil War wouldn't have a point to begin with - the Imperials do the same, for a good reason. You can call these new Jarls 'puppets' of the Empire for the same reason, but really this is just a very basic political move for whichever faction wins, and shouldn't be judged on either side...

[@dutchpatriot17]

@@raelaash4759 Who do you think created that oath? And how come you ignore the canonical loading screen? It's not the Empire that keeps the Moot from meeting, it's Ulfric who does that.

[@raelaash4759]

@@dutchpatriot17 I do not know who created the oath, and neither do you. The moot not meeting has /nothing/ to do with the question of whether or not Ulfric literally called himself the [true] High King at any point in time or not, which is the only thing I commented on. I could answer your question anyway, but won't, because this was never what I intended with my comment and you're leading the conversation off-topic with it. And the loading screen is standing in direct contrast to several, very direct in-game quotes which /you/ are ignoring. When in doubt, I would /always/ take an actual in-game voiceline over a sentence on a loading screen that was probably put there during a different phase of game development, maybe even different people than those who wrote the actual conflict happening in-game. It's very, very clear that he does not ever call himself High King, and even makes a point of that fact several times, towards his own closest followers, unasked. If you want to desperately cling onto what someone wrote on a loading screen, I'll still go with "claims to be" meaning maybe in close circles, 1:1, to Galmar. He absolutely never officially claimed that for himself. And saying he did in a video about his character is just spreading wrong information. The very opposite has been emphasized again and again during the Civil War storyline... Edit: I want people who are as interested in this conflict to know where I am coming from and why I mention it - Yes, I did go with the Stormcloaks in-game. No, I don't want to heat up the endless debate, because I think it's beautiful that TES is built upon the very principle that the player chooses what happens, and whatever we choose is 100% canon in our game. I think it's beautiful we are both right, just because we want it to be right. That's the D&D spirit, and the reason I love this game franchise so much! BUT, if you do open the debate, be fair. Do not spread misinformation on either side, it tends to get uglier than it needs to very quickly. Nate said he's with the Imperials, which is great! But as a KZbinr with a huge fanbase, when he makes a video about a character he's obviously decided against in his gameplay, he does have to watch his step. Everyone knows this gets heated quickly. Don't be unfair. Stay objective. I'm sure he overlooked this one, so I wanted to point it out for anyone interested in the debate.

[@dutchpatriot17]

@@raelaash4759 You honestly believe that it *wasn't the leader of the Stormcloaks who created the oath of the Stormcloaks* ? A loading screen is a canon source. Reason being that it doesn't suffer from the Unreliable Narrator; as it's a direct source written by Bethesda. Your refusal of this only shows your bias towards the Stormcloaks.

[@dylanmccluskey6759]

Do you get to the cloud district very often?

[@nazeem8086]

THAT’S MY LINE

[@ConorCarlisle]

What are you saying? Of course he doesn't.

[@FelipeGames-py4gr]

I'll have you know, there is no PUSSIIIIIEEEEEE (guard beats someone)

[@kasmidjan]

@@FelipeGames-py4gr those ManSl4yer line is never gets old 😂😂

[@recklessabandon5678]

Ya but mostly because I keep murdering and or torturing the guy who keeps saying that to me.....

[@DarkSeraph95]

Ulfric was captured and tortured by the thalmor during the great war. His stubborn will proved strong but not unbreakable. The thalmor broke him and he gave the information they wanted *after* the empire lost. The catch is they didn't tell him. They thanked him for his "cooperation" and said their victory was all thanks to him and released him. he feels responsible for the loss even though he really isn't. He's paranoid and scared what they will do to Skyrim. Let's face it, a bunch of Nazi elves don't hold the best ideals for the Nord's homeland

[@gannielukks1811]

Zionist Thalmor*

[@themikatoon]

@@gannielukks1811 *Fascist Thalmor

[@Feanor916]

@@themikatoon nah

[@fredhiggins4363]

@@gannielukks1811 based

[@callmemaggie8024]

I had a blast the very few times I actually played as a Stormcloak. Ulfric is more interesting to talk to and has a great backstory, and is an absolute bomb to fight alongside of (and Galmar easily has the best lines in the civil war with his "steaming you-know-what"), but in the end he makes a better adversary than an ally. Not that Ulfric is incredibly hard to beat, but the fact that the guy usually stands up and flat-out disarms me makes the fight fun. That and the main questline never feels complete unless Ulfric is there after I kill Alduin. If Tullius's death wasn't so pathetic and if Ulfric wasn't such an ass immediately afterward, I'd be more inclined to go Stormcloak more often.

[@mercury_clive]

Ulfric won me over with the speach he gave to galmar the first time you enter his palace.

[@drakan4769]

6: Ulfric makes a great follower at the end of the civil war questline just make sure you have the dead thrall spell available

[@TearfulMoon]

Indeed, he does. Especially when you burn him to death using deadly mutilation mod. It's quite amusing to hear a burned to a crisp and then reanimated guy go: "Make it quick. I'm a very busy man."

[@SlappedRat]

@@undeniableluck1239 I'm not sure what you are talking about, friend.

[@bomcstoots1]

@@undeniableluck1239 TRAITOR!

[@j-man6588]

The second conversation in the cut dialogue (the conversation in regards to the Dunmer in Windhelm) might have actually been intended for Ulfric's Steward, Jorleif; he and Captain Lonely-Gale share the same voice actor, after all.

[@thebeanone]

Ulfric be like, I'ma take out half if Skyrim and get defeated/win a war with my one part dragon friend, then say only say generic dialogue.

[@craftchild_9151]

Ulfric is a very good representation of alot of historical powerful men. All together everything about skyims politics are very well thought out.

[@wjp1238]

“His 645e^2 ancestors are smiling at him, Imperial. Can you say the same?”

[@LadyRevan7]

My character is a dark elf. The very first time I wander into Ulfric's place in Windhelm, he's talking about 'those damn elves.' And I was like, 'excuse me?! I'm standing right here!'

[@TuShan18]

1. It's awesome that skyrim content is still around. 2. Great video. 3. I think a story about Torig challenging the empire with Ulfric's help sounds like an awesome idea. I had no idea Torig was already considering it.

[@sgtwindbreaker2493]

i honestly can see why Ulfric lost his temper in Markarth, how far did he have to go to help the Jarl take back his domain, lose his men in the fight, then see some people he saved are his enemies, also ill bet there was people that helped the forsworn, like weylin (i cant remember if that was his name) the guy that yells for the forsworn then tries to kill that girl

[@IntenseHat]

Nate: "Team Tullius all the way" True Nords: "milk drinker!"

[@PuchimonExtreme]

If I were to be placed into Skyrim, my reply would be. "Yeah. Milk taste better than alcohol anyway. Promotes bone growth and less 'poisonous' too. Huray calcium! Huray milk drinkers!"

[@Dominus_Augustus]

Cow milk actually weakens your bones due to its amino acids that your body needs to leech calcium from your bones in order to neutralize. Additionally, we must not forget that it needs to be boiled (pasteurized) prior to consumption, lest we get sick from the bacteria, blood, and cow pus. Even then, most of the world (about two-thirds) is lactose intolerant. Oh, and dairy also has lots of estrogen, so it can quite literally make you weaker

[@DaedricPrinceOedon]

@@Dominus_Augustus Citation needed. I've been drinking milk for many many moons and I'm not weak.

[@Kilo_Alpha_Delta]

@@DaedricPrinceOedon He's full of shit. All milk we drink is pastreurized so that tidbit is pointless anyway and dairy doesn't make you weaker. In fact, milk is encouraged for muscle mass and recovery.

[@DaedricPrinceOedon]

@@Kilo_Alpha_Delta plus milk just tastes good. Chocolate milk too.

[@DarkValkyrie512]

Just a small note. Muiri in Markarth apparently likes bad boys/girls. She can only be married if you do her dark brotherhood mission to the letter (killing both Alain and Nilsine). So apparently she has no problems marrying an assassin.

[@SwanTeeth]

Muiri gets involved with a bandit and gets screwed over, also Muiri gets involved with a member of an Assassin cult. She really knows how to pick em

[@delta138_zam]

"We Stormcloaks helped build Windhelm centuries ago" So the Stormcloaks were Falmer slaves? Also, Altmer names in Daggerfall apparently followed a convention of "Prefix-suffix," one of the prefixes being "Storm-" and a suffix "-lock" These two facts together sound mighty suspicious to me, ngl.

[@Empathetik]

That was thousands of years ago, not hundreds.

[@TheMariusDarkwolf]

Regarding the last bit about asking for succession, if you remember from the notes in the Thalmor Embassy, Ulfrich had actually been turned into a Thalmor "asset"(notes found in ambassadors office). There's a very real likelihood they "encouraged" Ulfrich to just challenge Torag, and start the war on purpose. The civil war causes more destabilization for the Empire, which helps the Thalmor

[@ItsScapeGoated]

He knew Torigg would have stepped up, he just wanted to rule Skyrim.

[@Farhan-xp5mt]

That's why i fus ro dah him a thousand times to show how unfair he was when he challenged torygg then used the shout during the battle

[@Midnight-Starfish]

Going to be honest, I understand the Stormcloaks. Imagine this: you're a Nord minding your own business when the Empire and Thalmor rolls into your land, tells your god Talos is fake and makes it illegal to worship him. After generations of this, it would be understandable why they don't take too kindly to the Elves.

[@gannielukks1811]

The problem is, Dark Elves are not exactly the same with as High Elves. And Argonians in Windhelm suffers the most. About Talos, many Imperials worship Talos as well, and many of the Nord Legion soldiers, including Legate Rikke, still believes in Talos. These people just realise that is the cost to fight another day and to not be subdued by the Thalmor. They see the REAL threat in the southwest, and wish to wipe them to live in peace again and worship what they want to worship.

[@WelcomeToTheRezvolution]

The ban on Talos worship wasn't enforced until Ulfric started the rebellion. That in turn meant the Thalmor were allowed into the land and started enforcing it. Ulfric is using religion as the likes of Al Qaida and ISIS do. He's a complex character but I can't support him. He and his followers are racists and there is insinuation from dialogue within the game that they want to cleanse Skyrim of non-nords. Though, there seems to be a lot of that in Elder Scrolls (Dunmer aren't a fan of outlanders, Redguards hate High Elves and maybe Elves on general, Nords wiping out the snow elves and the Snow Elves attempts to wipe them out prior, the Dwemer and their treatment of the Snow elves, etc.)

[@Stevo-4896]

I agree. Especially after hearing Nate's spiels on the history of Skyrim. The Nords of thwarted every invasion on Tamrial as a whole time after time. They literally win every time they are invaded. But suddenly they have to stop worshipping their God because the rest of the empire lost a war that didn't even take place in Skyrim? Hell nah! I don't like Ulfric, I obviously don't have an issue with kajjit or argonians, but I'm a stormcloak cuz screw the empire.

[@antonewatters6967]

@@Stevo-4896 The religious freedom your fighting for will lead too skyrim losing against the thalmor and getting conquered because overall the empire barely sent any troops to fight the stormcloaks and when the game started General tullius already captured ulfric stormcloak and won but Alduin saved him. The empire did that with less troops but still lost to the dominion so how would skyrim that is overall weaker than the entire dominion hold back the thalmor and win, they can't. The empire outlawed talos so the empire and it's people could survive once the second great war starts they would allow talos warship again because talos is tiber septim who founded the empire. Ulfric was someone who craved power so he used the current politcal climate to amass a following and started a ruckus about talos being outlawed even thought the law wasn't being enforced which brought this to the thalmors attention and wound up forcing the empire so they had more time to prepare for the second great war, to enforce the law which caused more people to flock to ulfrics banner. The thalmor wanted this civil war so both skyrim and the empire were weakened it say so in a dossier in the thalmor embassy. My argument against Ulfric's actions has nothing to do with his alleged racism - it's that his actions were hasty, short-sighted, and ultimately helped Alduin and the Thalmor more than the Nords, even if they ended up winning. I should also add that I like Ulfric as a character. He has many admirable traits. Why were his actions hasty? Because I believe, based on dialogue from multiple sources, that Torygg could have been convinced to see things from Ulfric's point of view in time. It's said that the young man idolized the Jarl of Windhelm and help him up as an example of a true Nord hero. Ulfric decided to make a dramatic, hasty move by assassinating the King, when I believe some sort of understanding could have been had between them. Why were his actions short-sighted? His anger and frustration at the terms of the White Gold Concordant are not only felt by him and the Jarls who support the rebellion, but to a certain degree by all Nords. It did indeed feel like a betrayal when Mede signed the document. That's a given. However, it's telling how other Nords and their Jarls chose to cope with this cultural shift. Jarl Balgruuf is a good example. He puts the people of Whiterun first. He has no aspirations of being High King. He only entered the war when he felt he didn't have a choice. That's because he and the other western Jarls realize the knife's edge their society is on now, and the real danger the Aldmeri Dominion poses the races of Men. He hates them as much as Ulfric, but he realizes when to act and when to bide his time. How does the war aid the enemies of Skyrim? Quite simply, any aggression between the nations the Aldmeri Dominion opposes benefits them more than the combatants. The Great War cost Cyrodiil a lot. Many Bretons, Redguards and Nords died fighting for the Empire in that war, as well. The Concordant that ended the war was signed because neither side wanted to spare any more of its young people on the battlefield. The Empire barely survived. If it fractures into smaller pieces, it surely won't next time. Imagine a power lifter who maxes out at 650 lbs. What happens when you add 20 more lbs on top of that? That's the extra burden Cyrodiil would face without troops from Skyrim, and once it falls, Skyrim's borders are wide open for the Dominion to march right in. Not good, my friends. And the Dragons? This one is simple. Alduin literally feeds on the souls of Nord dead in Sovngarde. He doesn't care what uniform they wear. Eating people makes him stronger. He's already a god. He poses a huge threat. Feeding him is the last thing Skyrim should be doing. True, Ulfric had no way of knowing this, but in hindsight it's a good illustration of the folly of this war. Last but not least, the duel was only legitimate through an archaic set of laws in Skyrim Ulfric and his supporters are quick to point out that he challenged Torygg "In the old way". It's true that Torygg accepted, begrudgingly. His reputation was on the line. I get that. Thing is, though, such a duel has about as much legitimacy in 4th Era Skyrim as a pistol duel between two presidential candidates would in our own world. Ulfric cites tradition, but he doesn't mention the whole "dueling to the death for kingship" thing is an archaic tradition from thousands of years ago. That's simply not how Nordic kings are chosen any more. It was way back in the Dawn Era and the First Era, but it stopped by the Second. The Empires that Reman Cyrodiil and Tiber Septim built changed Nord society a lot. It's important to keep in mind that if we're going to honor Talos as a god, part of that is respecting the wishes the mortal man Tiber Septim had. He had a clear and concise vision for how his subject kings are chosen. It's a civilized process. It doesn't involve stabbing people in the heart. Praise Talos and respect his laws, I say. Titus Mede II may be an unpopular ruler, but he's still the inheritor of the throne of the Septims, for better or worse. Respect the office and the Empire, if not the man. Skyrim has been part of the Empire for the better part of a thousand years. Imperial Law is not some tyrannical thing being imposed upon them. They chose the yoke willingly when they bowed down to Septim in the 2nd Era. You sleep where you make your bed.

[@lUseMyBlade]

@@antonewatters6967 I respect the hustle and appreciate the history lesson.

[@SmartAss4123]

Honestly Ulfrics reasons and support would have been easy to get behind if it werent for what he did Torryg. He straight up divided Skyrim itself with that act, when otherwise would have had total support if Torygg agreed, or even if he refused it would have been a MUCH better reason to start the civil war and actually would very much have turned the tides in his favor I doubt Tullius would have stood a chance against a united Skyrim

[@mangamuscle98]

I don't even play Skyrim anymore but i keep watching these videos 😂

[@viprthered]

Same

[@captainez4387]

Isn’t not playing Skyrim illegal or something

[@bryanbridges2987]

I love Windhelm. The moment I ever ented it, I loved it. I'll admit that it isn't the nicest place in Skyrim, but that city is Nordic heritage put into stone. And I always thought Ulfric was the perfect person to be its Jarl. Knowing that Ulfric's clan is older than the city makes me love them both more.

[@frankwang1533]

Windhelm is Dwarven heritage. But hey Skyrim belongs to the Nords right.

[@Max-wc6zy]

@@frankwang1533 uh no it isn't

[@heckingbamboozled8097]

@@frankwang1533 That's Markarth, my guy

[@frankwang1533]

Hecking Bamboozled Whoops my bad. I probably should sleep a bit before I type anything.

[@bryanbridges2987]

@@frankwang1533 Haha, probably so.

[@jhay3966]

others: "black-briar or honningbrew?" me a cultured man: "juniper berries"

[@ra_alf9467]

Have you heard of Argonian Ale?

[@KayakithLebita]

I strongly disagree with all these "skyrim belong to the nords" things. I mean, come on man, think about the goats >:(

[@stoormtrooper22]

And the chicken

[@azzythechristianfurry]

Playable goat mod when?

[@joethewarbringer69]

@@azzythechristianfurry that's litterally a thing since 2013...

[@marcelinauy9037]

You HERETIC! Skyrim obviously belongs to be mudcrabs.

[@Nightmare-Stricken]

@@stoormtrooper22 I ate all of those too

[@verybadkarma]

“A soldier carries his shield for the promise and of a good sweetroll” -General Tullius

[@ConfusedLadyKira]

After hearing some of these secrets, especially the ones about what happened in Markarth, my decision to consistently side with the imperials has only gotten more certain.

[@grelly_chan8401]

Same, I hated Ulfric before but hearing about the Markarth incident only made it worse. My favorite DB is a Breton so it's not hard to imagine what would be going through her head finding out that Ulfric Stormcloak not only killed the Forsworn but innocent Bretons (men, women, and children) that were suspected of aiding the Forsworn

[@silversnail1413]

I sided with Madanach in Cindha Mine just to get his special armor then split his head in half with a pickaxe. So much for that little uprising lol.

[@JoseAlejandro-xc6fb]

Sure, cause the Empire doesn't torture at all too. Let's ignore the helgen keep and the comments of hadvar about it

[@randomblacktemplar738]

​@@JoseAlejandro-xc6fbpretty sure, that torture is the most common tool to extract information for secular authority during medieval and Renaissance

[@JoseAlejandro-xc6fb]

@@randomblacktemplar738 indeed, and that's why then that fact doesn't have any objective base to put Ulfric as worse than the Empire. Plus, through actual research, you would know that Ulfric didn't do any of the atrocities, that was Hrolfdir.

[@joshuahunt3032]

“Skyrim belongs to the Nords!” *Silently judges in Breton*

[@densenito5953]

Ever think about doing a video about the merits and demerits about each side and the overall potential outcomes (in the long run, outside the game)with choosing a side in the civil war? I think it would bring an interesting discussion amongst your viewers and may even start a war of words on who would win and who is more right.

[@drowranger6591]

I have a wonder, what if Torygg was a good fighter, and could fight Ulfric back? And what if Torygg was able to defeat Ulfric? Not killing him but just put him down to his knees and make him surrender?

[@Matthew-McCallister]

There’s also a letter in the prison in the thalmor embassy talking about how Ulfric was tortured during his time in prison and was instructed to start the civil war to weaken the Empire.

[@alexl1178]

My brother played a dark elf character and joined the storm cloaks. He played through the whole civil war quest and crowned Ulfric as high king, all without any idea about the grey quarter in Windhelm and the racism against the dark elves (he hates reading and listening apparently). When I broke it to him, the look on his face... confusion, disbelief, betrayal, anger. He replayed the whole thing just to get back at Ulric.

[@The.Usurper]

How can you hate reading and listening? And then play Skyrim of all games?? I think you're brother would've been better off playing COD or some LEGO games, lol.

[@alexl1178]

@@The.Usurper He was 10 at the time dude. Politics is hard to grasp at that age. I think you should take your own advice and stop gatekeeping.

[@NegativeDumpster]

@@The.Usurper To be fair, Skyrim is one of the less dialogue-heavy Elder Scrolls games. You can have a decent chance at beating a lot of quests, even if you have no ide why you're doing them.

[@idoldissr]

I'd love to see a Mod where Torryg and Ulfric unite Skyrim against the Thalmor … THAT would be cool! (I kill Thalmor on-sight in every play-through, no matter what faction I'm joined to.)

[@AssassinofHighgarden]

Ulfric made some careful calculations but, boy is he bad at math. But I'm really digging the individual character studies, they're really fun

[@TheRealStoneyGames]

All Hail to Ulfric, you are the High King, in your great honor we drink and we sing!!!!!!!!

[@MysticJourneys94]

Every time I see your videos I love the facts and things I havent heard. But I am really taken back with the textures in your game. Love it. :)

[@theunadulteratedpretzel]

I, Jarl of Windhelm Ulfric Stormcloak, am indeed a very mysterious man.

[@TheWhiteWolf68]

The empire never agreed to ulfrick's deal the yarl of markarth did.

[@TheWhiteWolf68]

@August Aleksander Mauritzen the empire had nothing to do with it. It was the yarl of markarth who made promise he couldn't keep. He says it himself. Go play Skyrim. Talk to the yarl of markarth. He said he made the deal Ulfric. The empire wasn't even in markarth, they could of took the city themselves if they had troops there. He made the promise on behalf of the empire, but he has no authority to do so. He knew this. Why would they keep promise to a traitor, who they never made that promise to in the first place. Plus the empire has no control over one hold in skyrim. Skyrim was part of the empire but it was ruled by the high king. Who would have ask the empire to sent troops to retake markarth. The don't rule independent holds.

[@TheWhiteWolf68]

@August Aleksander Mauritzen dude the wiki isn't a Canon source. Anybody can edit that shit. Believe what bullshit you want. The yarl made the promise not the empire.

[@TheWhiteWolf68]

@August Aleksander Mauritzen go fuck yourself.

[@TheWhiteWolf68]

@August Aleksander Mauritzen you spelled several words wrong and then correct me for one word. What a hypocrit. You definitely aren't a "scholar".

[@gingercore69]

I only knew the last one, great video! I wonder if in elder scrolls arena there are any stormclocks to be found... On the other hand... Have you thought about making a video aboit curiosities of the khajit caravans? Im sure they have some secrets, im just to lazy to look for them(and my pc died, so i dont have skyrim anymore)

[@nikolajnissen2886]

THeEpicNate315 is the most underrated youtuber. Change my mind

[@FelipeGames-py4gr]

Nah bruh, FudgeMuppet is better JK, they are equally good

[@bakura306]

Couchwarrior TV.

[@noahgilmore4837]

Seed LeveL immortal HD...hope someone gets the joke

[@Boomdawg96]

The last one is interesting because what’s never answered clearly is Ulfric’s true motive. If he *just* wanted independence, definite miscalculation. But if he truly wanted to be High King, it makes sense why he’s hastily kill Torygg and claim it was a traditional fight.

[@rlewis36]

"It's easy to see why he may have felt that way.... that said, fuck Ulfric." 🤣

[@shrekatemyonions]

The reason why Ulfric killed Torygg was because he wanted to be high king

[@brettmiddleton7949]

Exactly! He has a lust for power and was not about to play second fiddle to Torygg even if Torygg supported secession.

[@Kurukururin12]

Yeah. Sybille Stentor mentions that Torryg greatly respects ulfric and would probably help ulfric fight the thalmor if only he ask. So there was no need to kill him if he truly was fighting for skyrim

[@AmericanAppleProd]

At the end of the civil war questline, Ulfric states that he only wants to be high king if the other jarls agree to it. Now it's implied that he will, since all of the imperial jarls were disposed, but jarl elisif is allowed to keep her status and I think a unaminous decision is needed for high king

[@brettmiddleton7949]

@@AmericanAppleProd The subtext of that is that Ulfric knows the game is rigged in his favor so he can afford to do the "aw, shucks, only if they want me" routine to try to boost his popular appeal. Note that he also wants to drag the Dragonborn into his speech and to walk out beside him so he can give people the idea that "hey, even the mighty Dragonborn is behind me" as a celebrity endorsement. He's trying to use the Dragonborn for political ends, but, in fact, is actually scared of the Dragonborn's power, which is far greater than his own and essentially gives the Dragonborn veto power if Ulfric gets out of line. (Or if the Dragonborn develops imperial ambitions and decides to become the new Tiber Septim. That would end Ulfric's complete rule of Skyrim real fast.)

[@sxmdt]

good video! if you take suggestions, might i ask for a video on Titus Mede II?

[@raelaash4759]

Ohh, yes please! I'd really like to know why he acts the way he does when we meet him, but is looked down upon by so many people during this time. Sure, the White-Gold Concordat is the big Thing a lot of people hate him for, but especially what Amaund Motierre said after learning of his death made me extremely curious about what's really going on in the political ranks of the Imperial City. I'm afraid we just don't /have/ confirmed answers for that available, since it would interfere too much with the Civil War questline... But some background info on the (late) Emperor would be much needed!

[@ratboy2791]

6:40 blue palace? In windhelm? It's more likely than you think

[@speedy4574]

How do we know that Ulfric didn't ask Torygg before challenging him? I don't remember anyone disputing that. Maybe Ulfric did have that important conversation with the high king but was refused when the topic of secession came up and after that, Ulfric challenged Torygg as a last resort. Guess we'll never know.

[@sethmillerd6538]

I have an interesting one for you. The secrets and mysteries of Blackreach. (I would start by measuring just how "big"the place is)

[@draktanarkarazgrong3431]

what's even more stupid on the stormcloak's part is that the empire is preparing the rebellion against the thalmor. and the nords' help sure would have been handy...

[@undeniableluck1239]

And your evidence for this is...?

[@draktanarkarazgrong3431]

@@undeniableluck1239 from what I remember, there are some lines from the general tulius that imply it. But it has been a long time so I don't have an exact source for it

[@undeniableluck1239]

@@draktanarkarazgrong3431 Must be if you decide to join the empire then...cause I've only ever heard something like that from either Elisif, her steward, or her wizard.

[@EmmaSpAce111]

The first time I encountered Ulfric I had walked into the room to hear him just openly having a conversation mentioning a siege on white run. My kids were in my house in white run at that very moment. That kinda struck me for some reason. First impressions, right?

[@Dogmelter42]

He betrayed the Way of the Voice. He betrayed EVERYTHING the Greybeards taught him.

[@jonathanweir6710]

Doesnt the Dragonborn also disregard the Greybeards teachings for something we believe is "bigger than ourselves", just like what Ulfric did? We are cooler than Ulfric and so ours is clearly more important than Ulfric's crap

[@Dogmelter42]

@@jonathanweir6710 unless you play like I do and ignore the main quest entirely until level 30.

[@jonathanweir6710]

But then you do the main quest and betray their teachings then lol. Level 3 or 30, doesnt make a difference

[@LordBloodraven]

It makes sense that Lonely-Gale would have been an advisor to Ulfric. Windhelm and Solitude shared the same coastline and had open harbors. I'm surprised that a naval strike was never attempted by either side. The Emperor's personal flagship, the Katariah arrives in Skyrim should the Dragonborn pursue the Dark Brotherhood questline. A coordinated land-and naval siege of Windhelm or Solitude should have been possible for either side.

[@Russ442100]

Its like I'm watching documentaries about a world that doesn't exist. My life is all fucked up man. Nate you're great, forgive the rhyme.

[@thundafromdownunda8340]

Hey Nate :) just wanted to say thank you :D I basically have given up gaming in exchange for being a gym rat, and I have no regret don't get me wrong, but I'd just like to thank you for all these videos you make, it allows me to still enjoy one of my once favourite game series, even though I don't get to actually play anymore :) thanks man, you're a legend 😀

[@onetrickpony8004]

"Patrolling the Mojave make you wish for a nuclear winter"

[@adenzoress8337]

There's also evidence supporting that Ulfric is only after power. The Thalmor kept a watchful eye on him They kept notes that you can find while doing the main quest during the party, sneaking into the dungeon.

[@jonathanweir6710]

Lol Thalmor cant be trusted, silly. They are the worst xD

[@marielenapotts848]

Aden Zoress oh, you mean dossier that says either side winning the civil war will be bad for the Thalmor? You mean that dossier? That clearly states that the Thalmor don't want Ulfric to win the civil war either?

[@kronosaur417]

Quick question Nate, what are the mods you use for Skyrim? Watching your videos I can’t help but notice just how much better everything looks in comparison to the vanilla game.

[@RichBensen]

Captain Lonely-Gale does more than you give him credit for. After an Imperial victory he becomes steward to the new Jarl of Windhelm.

[@RevanSurik]

Whenever I played Skyrim, I sided with the Imperials (except in my "evil" run) because I always thought Ulfric was a bastard. Now, after watching this video... I'm even more confident I did right in destroying the Stormcloaks and personally putting him to the sword with my Redguard assassin >:-D

[@justnoob8141]

So... you side with thalmor?

[@RevanSurik]

@@justnoob8141 It's fighting for Ulfric that is siding with the Thalmor, even if you don't mean to. Ulfric's actions have torn Skyrim apart (or the empire, if you help him in Skyrim's independence), weakening the empire, and thus leaving everyone more at the Thalmor's mercy. All because Ulfric is a dumb Nord full of pride and short on brains.

[@justnoob8141]

RevanSurik Yeah yeah yeah, White Gold aper doesn’t exist, cool story bro

[@WelcomeToTheRezvolution]

@@RevanSurik In addition, it wasn't until Ulfric's uprising that the ban in Talos worship started being enforced. Despite the ban, the imperials did not enforce it. Ulfric won't make a good leader. He was only able to defeat the Imperials (who didn't really send anyone other than the general) due to having the Dragonborn. We started the game with his capture by the General who had been in Skyrim for a few months. Basically he couldn't even use home field advantage and was caught in a trap.

[@rddragonman]

@@WelcomeToTheRezvolution tullius had the home field advantage considering the fact he had the bigger, richer, more official side of skyrim.

[@Janoha17]

Does that mean Captain Lonely-Gale is Windhelm's version of Nazeem!?

[@fatenrizk4934]

The thing is, Captain Lonely-Gale actually helps the jarl

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

fun fact; Captain Lonely-Gale is Mr Manly Men

[@CaptainRed1000]

That last point is one of the three largest reasons I support the Empire.

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

u support that weak pathetic Titus Mede? the 4th era Empire r cucks

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

@no name Titus Mede turned the Empire into an unfunny joke

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

@no name enjoy supporting a weak cowardly old man who managed to successfully destroy the Empire from within. The Aldmeri Dominion didnt need help there, Titus Mede already ruined the Empire

[@CaptainRed1000]

@@GenericUsername-qp1ww If I supported the Emperor, I wouldn't have gone through the DB storyline just to kill him. Besides, the guy didn't seem all that bad, based on the one interaction we get in the whole game.

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

@@CaptainRed1000 didn't seem all that bad? u mean the weak pathetic idiot who was more than happy to sell out the citizens of Skyrim to the Thalmor? uh huh, sure. Titus Mede lost both Hammerfell and Skyrim in such a short span of time he will go down in the history books as the biggest failure of an Emperor. I say make the Dragonborn Emperor and force that pathetic old man and all his family into exile.

[@RJLbwb]

You forgot "Elf bothering power bottom to others" Nate hehehe

[@olgierdvoneverec3554]

Ulfric was literally tortured by high elves during the Great War. He fought for Empire which later betrayed him and put him in a jail again after he retook Markarth for them from the forsworns. He couldn't even participate in his father's furneal. And there are still people who calls him a Thalmor agent just because he started the rebellion against Empire that betrayed him and his homeland. But why do you think this must mean Thalmor's win? Galmar says clearly that Stormcloaks are interested in destroying Dominion after they stablizie the situation in the country. I think if the high elves ever start the Second Great War with the Empire, Ulfric will stand as an ally with imperials, because it would be good for both nations. And in days like these, Skyrim definetly needs a strong leader instead of young and inexperienced Elisif (don't get me wrong, she seems to have a potential and she is inteligent but she also is more a leader for a peace era which means definetly not now).

[@dutchpatriot17]

I like how you totally ignored the fact that Ulfric literally collaborated with the Thalmor at Markarth...

[@VivvyFireStar]

6:39 wait is the place called the blue palace I thought it was palace of kings I think I already forgot the name I’m pretty sure you mixed them up with solitude

[@LordJohnako109]

I don't know/remember if you did this or not, but what about a video on either King Toragg or Imperial Members, like Tullius, Elisif, or Rigate?

[@aysseralwan]

I thinky you mean Torygg and Legate Rikke?

[@LordJohnako109]

@@aysseralwan Yeah. I never can remember how to spell some characters' names

[@viperblackk]

While I'm glad you've branched out and covered some lore from The Elder Scrolls Online and official published books, there are some inaccuracies in this video, Nate: • You cite "reports" that Ulfric was guilty of the war crimes committed after Markarth was given back to the Empire. These claims only come from one book in the game, The Bear of Markarth: The Crimes of Ulfric Stormcloak, by Arrianus Arius, also the author of The "Madmen" of the Reach: A Cultural Treatise on the Forsworn. "Madmen" is a Forsworn apologist piece, defending a group of essentially terrorists who consort with Daedra and Hagravens. Many books in Skyrim are propaganda, and the work of Arius is no exception. When it comes to primary sources about what happened during and after the Markarth Incident, we can look to Braig in Cidhna Mine. His story reveals that his daughter, a child at the time, begged the Jarl to execute her instead of her father when he was accused of being Forsworn. The Jarl agreed. Braig says his daughter would have been 23 in 4E 201, which means this happened at least a couple years after 4E 178, several years after Ulfric was imprisoned. This means the "spree of executions" you mention was done by none other than Igmund's father, Jarl Hrolfdir, when he executed civilians falsely accused of being Forsworn, including little girls. You even reference Ulfric's imprisonment in this video, so I'm unsure how you missed how the dates do not line up. • You also say that Ulfric *demanded* that Talos worship be reinstated as a condition of him retaking the city. Again, this is only claimed once by The Bear of Markarth. This is in direct conflict with what the people of Markarth will tell you, people who were alive during the uprising, about how Hrolfdir promised Talos worship before the fact, as incentive, not in response to any demand. • The palace in Windhelm, despite its blue aesthetic, is not the Blue Palace, it is called the Palace of the Kings, for the Nord Kings and the Kings of the First Empire that ruled there. The Blue Palace is in Solitude and has a unique blue roof.

[@dutchpatriot17]

~Did you miss Nepos the Nose, who confirms Ulfric's war crimes? Braig has been stuck in a mine and hasn't seen sunlight in many years, it's no surprise he gets dates mixed up. ~Why would Hrolfdir promise something which is illegal if he didn't know Ulfric wanted it?

[@viperblackk]

@@dutchpatriot17 Nepos only says "then Ulfric and his men came". When he talks about the executions, he does not explicitly say Ulfric carried out the executions, let alone accusing Ulfric of executing children or civilians. Madanach and Thonar both corroborate the date of after Ulfric was imprisoned. The Forsworn in the mine were with Madanach, who had plenty of correspondence with the outside world to keep a handle on the date for twenty years. "We promised a group of Nord militia free worship in exchange for their help retaking the Hold." - Igmund's own words

[@dutchpatriot17]

@@viperblackk He says ''Ulfric and his men came'', and then follows it up with the executions. If you have a basic understanding of the English language, you'd know that means Ulfric and his men were the ones doing the killing.

[@viperblackk]

@@dutchpatriot17 Unfortunately, the very privileged Forsworn you seem adamant on citing was not specific enough in his recollection. "...Then Ulfric and his men came. Those of us who didn't run were executed, except for myself, my king, and a handful of others." He could be talking about Ulfric executing Forsworn *or* Jarl Hrolfdir. Braig also speaks of executions. Executions that occurred five years after the Markarth Incident, while Ulfric was imprisoned, carried out by the Jarl at that time. If there were still prisoners to execute and try five years after the Markarth Incident, it must be inferred that they were kept in Cidhna Mine for that time. The impunity and brutality with which the Nords carried out those heinous acts upon innocent civilians and children alike that is associated now with Ulfric Stormcloak should, in fact, be attributed to Jarl Hrolfdir.

[@dutchpatriot17]

@@viperblackk Nope. He couldn't. Basic understanding of the English language would show as much. Nepos' quote shows one thing and one thing only: That Ulfric and his men executed those who didn't run. Braig has been stuck in a mine for years, the guy hasn't seen the sun for years, yet you think he knows how long he's been in that mine?

[@vincentvalentyn7862]

7:43 to 8:03 I heard that exact conversation only once. I was a bit disappointed at the time because I play two different races, The Nords and The Dark Elves (The Dummer). I was a dark elf character at the time and sided with the stormcloaks. So this conversation made me a bit saddened. Considering the pact between The Nords, Dark Elves and Argonians. At the time though I hadn’t finished all the lore. Still working on it all this time.

[@immortal5383]

That last point might be evidence that Ulfric was just interested in power not so much the cause.

[@dinkwastaken]

I hope when you mean controversial character you mean it in a good way

[@alfredovr19]

Long live the Empire!

[@konoeyoshito6105]

what have u skiped the thalmors reports about Ulfric's that may suggest some connexion between the Altmers and the bear ?

[@nathanjora7627]

konoe yoshito « may » « suggests » ? Have we played the same game ? Because that report « definitely » « unequivocally » incriminated Ulfric.

[@coffeepoweredkatie6290]

@@nathanjora7627 It really didn't. They manipulated him without his knowledge. If you take something from someone because someone else made you it was theirs. It isn't really your fault.

[@nathanjora7627]

CoffeePoweredKatie where did I say he was a willing agent of the Thalmor ? Well, in fact, I will now : He is stated to be a dormant agent of the Thalmor. Maybe he was tricked into serving them through deception at the beginning, but it is clearly said that he is, or at the very least « was » an agent of the Thalmor since they made contact with him after the war. So he was a conscious and willing age of the Thalmor at least for a time, and even if he is now uncooperative, the Thalmor still considers him as an agent, and had plans to save him at Helgen, so he was definitely guilty of the charge of having been a Thalmor agent, and since he is still useful to the Thalmor, I believe it can certainly be said that he should be treated as guilty now.

[@gamerito100]

Nathan Jora It only stated that the war benefited them, not any side in particular, just the fact of the Empire and Skyrim losing resources on it, and that it should be prolonged, they want the war to NOT end for any side...

[@nathanjora7627]

@@gamerito100 Yes, I know, and what about all the other things I listed ? Like the fact that they speak of him as an agent ? And the fact that it couldn't always have been an unwilling agent because they contacted him ?

[@danyheatleyall-star3677]

All hail ulfric the true high king!

[@marksmoot385]

Stormcloak dog!

[@danyheatleyall-star3677]

@@marksmoot385 imperial bootlicking milkdrinker

[@marksmoot385]

@@danyheatleyall-star3677'least I don't follow a power hungry nord on a power trip.

[@danyheatleyall-star3677]

@@marksmoot385 no you follow a weak crumbling empire who's forsaken it's god and turned it's back on it's people by bending to the whim of the filthy elves

[@marksmoot385]

@@danyheatleyall-star3677 Better an Empire waiting for a time to strike than a rebellion that's actively trying to destroy what could've been a potential ally. Honestly, if Ulfric hadn't killed the High King, they could've teamed up.

[@SamFisher007]

You can also find notes in the Thalmor Embassy I believe that reveal that Ulfric was captured by the elves at some point during the Great War and tortured until he revealed critical information that aided the thalmor in capturing the Imperial City during the war.

[@corndog5487]

This is partially true the information he gave was already known to the thalmor they just did it to make him feel guilty and to traumatize him

[@emanueleenricovairani492]

​@@corndog5487personal theory of mine Is that the thalmor encouraged him to cause the markath incident. After he was thrown in jail he realized he had been manipulated thats why he became uncooperative. The thalmor however kept supplying ulfric with enough intelligence probably trough Someone he did consider loyal but in reality was a double agent to give him that slight Edge Needed by the thalmor to have tullius be sent to skyrim. After tullius was in Skyrim the thalmor had to ensure that both sides would be locked in a stalemate, thats why they were at helgen to try and stop ulfric execution.

[@corndog5487]

@@emanueleenricovairani492 I don't think they could have ever pulled that off Ulfric was way to dangerous to be kept alive in any shape or form in the eyes of the empire. But still it's not crazy nor illogical to say they wouldn't try it what I think they would try to do is martyr Ulfric so that the they could get the stormcloacks even more angry causing a bloodbath on both sides and maybe even infighting on stormcloack jarls to see who would succeed him

[@emanueleenricovairani492]

@@corndog5487 agreed tullius would have refused to hand him over, he had probably realized the thalmor scheme and that ulfric was being manipulated and used by the thalmor

[@corndog5487]

@@emanueleenricovairani492 I think that's why he wants to get the rebellion over with in the first place. Even though I dislike the empire and Talius I know he is a smart man he would have figured it out pretty early on. The problem is he is too obedient to the empire to do something in his own initiative and end the war. Because to be honest the only way for the civil war to end peacefully is if the empire does the first move since Ulfric is too stubborn to make such a move himself and the empire doesn't want to show weakness so they won't either

[@joethewarbringer69]

what...? civil war could've been avoided by talking to that milk-drinker ? what are you some fancy pants breton ?

[@gannielukks1811]

Torygg goes to Sonvgarde after his death. He died with honor, but Ulfric used a shout to throw him to the ground and pierce his heart with a blade. Not exactly a fair duel.