Skyrim: 5 Things You (Probably) Didn’t Know About the Empire of The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

[@chrisppx]

Last time I was this early, the local Whiterun Guard was still an adventurer like me.

[@modern117]

After the video he took an arrow to the knee😂

[@Dark-cl6md]

Sniper Riffle117 and then I took a sword to the chest which is the storm cloak version

[@sepiatonedlobotomite]

OK that was good, respect

[@chasewillian9010]

Oh my god, lol!!! 😂 I actually totally and fully laughed.

[@kermitdefroog2509]

Oh I came when he took the arrow to the knee

[@signupsonly6852]

Everytime he makes these types of videos it astounds me how much content is in Skyrim.

[@thatguyjohnmarston3480]

I know

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Sgt. Pepper always a little more.

[@bigweiner4217]

5 years later. "Hello guys this is Nate here"

[@yugitrump435]

I wanna be hopeful ES6 will be as good as the last 3 Elder Scrolls games. But Bethesda......

[@yugitrump435]

@Blue cigar Gaming i have very little hope for Bethesda to fix their mistakes.

[@aressepelu9046]

“There you have it, from the highest ranking imperial official we can meet” Me: Umm... we met the Emperor.

[@metetural9140]

He doesnt count if he never existed... *prepares to open console*

[@aressepelu9046]

Mete Tural *equips Tullius with Emperor’s robes* “Don’t worry, I already got rid of your competition! He even died willingly like that old emperor who died in the beginning of the Oblivion Crisis.”

[@ericowen5305]

Yeah. I met the emporer....and killed him

[@drakan4769]

Well... the highest ranking imperial official we can meet that will leave skyrim alive

[@GuitarsRockForever]

@@drakan4769 Nope, the general tooless will not leave anywhere alive.

[@fatmamba5034]

I was expecting Nate to say "The empire is getting ready to strike back" 😂😂😂

[@anthonye9496]

You deserve more likes.

[@TheTwilightQueen_]

Missed opportunity... wouldn't you agree?

[@Batman_the_bad_man]

Come on, just 5 more likes to 666!

[@alfredovr19]

No need to say that. It's obvious they're.

[@israelkobanghe5611]

@@alfredovr19 its a Star Wars reference bro

[@mrsmissy2669]

I''m sooo lazy about reading all the lore books in the game. I am so grateful that Nate does it for me and puts all the facts together...epically!

[@ericowen5305]

Mrs Missy yeah. only book I read and Skyrim is The Lusty Argonian... um nevermind

[@that_deadeyegamer7920]

I think FudgeMuppet does lore on Skyrim and Imperial Knowledge

[@Petaurista13]

It's not really laziness, more like being casual gamer. IT was shown best in one discussion where I was accused to not be tru fan of sth as I don't have tons of gadgets and expert knowledge about shit. I've replied simply pointing out that other guy spend like 90% of money and 95% time on it, while my main concern is to work at m field of studies and most things I read is about psychology. Also I spend like more of my free cash on that. Skyrim is so massive you can put it together only if it's your job. Or you are like junior high school pupil. High school if you don't have too high ambitions.

[@raypalmer5125]

What if Elder's Scroll 6 is about the Next War with the Thalmor. That would be a pretty great tie in, in my opinion.

[@thatontariofarmer]

I really hope that's a possibility. So much potential. Would also allow us to know what happened to the Dragonborn from ES 5

[@PuddinPopOfficial]

ThatOntarioCarpenter I hope he spends his days getting hammered at the bannered mare

[@Foefaller]

I don't think it will be the main focus, (that would probably be what Outside Context problem Bethesda comes up with that throws everyone off) but I figure that a "Second Great War" would be the backdrop for an ES6.

[@eddieruela6721]

That would be awesome tbh if they can work with something like that

[@thepopepherd]

It wouldn't work because of Skyrim. Since you have to pick between the two factions bethesda would have to pick which side won in skyrim.

[@welcomematt6874]

The general rule of warfare in The Elder Scrolls is that Elves always seem like they’ll dominate and overpower mankind...until they only have an average of 2 children every 500 years (and the purity-obsessed thalmor kill most babies anyways). Higher birth rate and shorter lifespan is a hell of a drug

[@themikatoon]

The same thing almost eradicated the elves of the Witcher universe. They could only reproduce when young and when they went to war a majority of their birthing population died. Men always win when it comes to reproduction and lives to throw away in war.

[@Sorvo_YT]

Humans need a nerfed spawn rate fr

[@ItsChevnotJeff]

In the words of the Sharmat Dagoth Ur "Men make horrible farm tools. They have a habit of breaking free and rebelling in the most violent way possible. Atleast Khajiit and Argonians are content with slavery, and that one war in the Red Year was merely consequential"

[@stratte8061]

"There we have it from the highest imperial authority we can meet" The Emperor: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@SpaceTalon]

Me: Yes

[@lukec2004]

Ulfric: *yes*

[@mellowyello1478]

I wonder if he meant it like... the emperor, when we meet him, is powerful in title only because no one really has respect for him at this point. After the negotiations leading to the loss of Talos Worship and a further decaying empire, his title was all he had. He has no real power and very few committed followers. Tullius is easily the more influential person in the game empire side.

[@lukec2004]

@@mellowyello1478 no he is not People who don't respect the Empire don't respect Tullius either, unless some close friends but there is few of them Any way you turn it, the Emperor is more powerful

[@itsthannotthenffs5283]

What am I, chopped livah?

[@isaac_aren]

16:04 "Highest ranking Imperial official we can meet" >Literally assassinates the Emporer

[@unicornsparkleswirl7564]

Emperor* dumbass.

[@yugitrump435]

Wo wit was wou!

[@unicornsparkleswirl7564]

@Connor, the android sent by CyberLife I know I was correcting him before someone else corrected him or her harshly

[@coolboiztoyzxl7261]

@@unicornsparkleswirl7564 i dont think any1 wuz going to

[@unicornsparkleswirl7564]

@@coolboiztoyzxl7261 are you new to the Internet? There are troll's everywhere someone could've said "emperor* dumbass" but I corrected him before that happened.

[@Zerberos22]

I kill every Thalmor I find in the game xD

[@LichlordKazam]

I killed them, i killed them all. every single one of them. Not just the men, But the women and children too.

[@niko_8208]

@@LichlordKazam you are become death, destroyer of worlds.

[@LichlordKazam]

@@niko_8208 ..D-Dragonborn... Destroyer of elves.

[@niko_8208]

@@LichlordKazam Yes. Even better.

[@ceasefire2825]

@@LichlordKazam Dragonborn...wrath of Ysgrammor

[@kochitegaming4013]

Theoretically, since Tullius knows you’re the Dragonborn, and the most powerful being in existence outside the deadric princes and the 9 divines, you, the dragonborn, could singlehandedly wipe out the thalmor in its entirety if tullius asks you to do so. You can command dragons and force enemies to flee in terror, command legions of animals and drain your enemies of magic, stamina and health. So by all means, if you chose to side with the empire, and tullius asks you to do that, it will be straight child’s play for the player. The Thalmor’s worst nightmare. Just a thought.

[@Oroshi_the_God_Eater]

Tullius: the time has come Dragonborn, execute anti-Thalmor Dragonborn: it will be done, long live the Empire

[@Blox117]

(uses console commands) what do you mean 'besides' daedric princes and gods? I am THE god!

[@ronakroshan7878]

@@Blox117 (puts in "tgm" in the console commands)

[@moronribbons5774]

It would make a stellar additional dlc or mod, but I'd find it pretty unlikely either of those will ever happen... but nonetheless I'd love an additional (albeit probably massive) addition that lets us venture some ways into cyrodiil and lead the empire's armies in huge wars on the thalmor

[@nojusticejustus2912]

@Joël become bloodkin and ride into battle with the orcs. They're the best combat warriors and their smithing is top notch. In silence double your recruitment in the dark brotherhood and infiltrate the thalmor with assassin's . Yuh already kill the emperor go kill the thalmor emperor too and have your dragons and miraak waiting outside for any thalmor trying to escape. Yuh can get loud or stay silent. This game is the greatest 😂

[@hotr400]

Reason to side with the Empire: After the negotiations of Season Unending, you know who cared about the Dragonborn's goals and were really concerned about the dragons? Balgruuf and Tulius. Tulius even said "surely you thought about the little detail" on how you will trap Ohdaviing in Dragonsreach. Where the fuck was Ulfric? He left immediately after he got what he wanted.

[@jaredfrancis5062]

@@Tommonius I mean they were going to cut your head off over walking into Skyrim and Tulius was just going to sit there and watch as you, an innocent bystander in the wrong place at the wrong time, were executed without a trial.

[@jaredfrancis5062]

@@Tommonius I recognize as much. He was looking at the bigger picture but either way your actions break the stalemate but Tulius also allowed for the Thalmor to actively hunt Talos worshippers as well as torture them in their prison. When you go to rescue Graymane's son you find a letter in the Battpeborn home that indicates Tulius knowingly allowed the Thalmor to imprison and torture civilians.

[@holdenjanzen7029]

@@jaredfrancis5062 Because he has to, he has to follow the treaty until the empire reignites the great war

[@LiracyonLeague]

The faction who nearly removed your head and doomed the world? Nah.

[@johnjson]

I think they both have many downsides and advantages, like the empire is the big and powerful faction trying to save skyrim from the thalmor, but they're also corrupted unlike the stormcloaks who are the underdogs but also racist and too focused on hatred of the dunmer/argonians/etc

[@blksmagma]

Always glad to have another reason to completely slaughter the Thalmor every time I see them. Great video man!

[@ericowen5305]

blksmagma not that we needed another reason

[@blksmagma]

@@ericowen5305 Its like renewing vows on an anniversary with someone you love. Its not *necessary* per se, but it's always nice.

[@robertjethrogallano1053]

Out of habit i tend to hunt those thalmor patrols...EVEN THO AS I PLAYED AS A HIGH ELF XD

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

@@robertjethrogallano1053 can't blame it on the humans if it's one of your own lol

[@robertjethrogallano1053]

@@BanishedSilentShadow3318 XD theyll probably blame it on the dark elves one way or another XD

[@n_y_0_n38]

Mom can we have General Tullius ? Mom: no we already have General Tullius at home General Tullius at home: (9:52)

[@MrBrightcide]

Frt couldn't they at least cast someone with a more... intimidating voice. 😂😂😂

[@surrk1057]

He sounds like those protagonists or side protagonists in Animes

[@n_y_0_n38]

ElfSam Idk im not an anime kind of guy

[@cooperdennis-smith3284]

Time to overcome my evil nature...

[@paizotic]

Lol, the "evil nature" thing isn't even one of his quotes, it's from Paarthurnax. Why even...?

[@HGShurtugal]

I remember me and my friends hoping there was going a thalmor war DLC.

[@ericowen5305]

HG Shurtugal that would be cool. instead, I just have my characters kill every damn Thalmor they see

[@dustingideon5719]

@@ericowen5305 This one does the work of the Nine

[@mybutthasteeth1347]

Nah, that needs to be the plot of ES6. Too much anticipation for it to be dlc

[@ericowen5305]

Dustin Gideon Thank you! and thank you to the nine people who liked my comment

[@noahlord7358]

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[@shroomie3086]

Legit, General Tullius is the empires best general/tactician in my opinion. How he talked about not wanting to weaken their Capital and that they are rounding up men to get ready for a war with the Thalmor. Knowing this made me love the Empire even more than before.

[@robertjethrogallano1053]

And the fact that he essentially told Ellenwen to fugg off while he was about to execute Ulfric to stop the civil war is a nother reason i root for him...he is pragmatic and he weighs his options...even tho we almost got executed if it wasnt for alduin coming out of nowhere

[@DoomsdayR3sistance]

@@robertjethrogallano1053 And the execution of the LDB wasn't something Tullius decided, it was just a low ranking incompetent captain who couldn't see the obviously out of place person there. Instead of executing Ulfric first and moving down the chain of command, decided to start with some no-name stormcloak.... leaving the potentially not Stormcloaks for last. Just sayin' if that same captain had ordered Ulfric's death first... would have solved a lot of problems.

[@MuffinYoBusiness]

“Players probably quickly forgot” Me remembering every single line of dialogue in the intro cutscene prior to character creation

[@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S.]

Hey. You. You're finally awake. You were trying to cross the border, right? Walked right into that Imperial ambush, same as us, and that thief over there.

[@SolusV]

@@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S. Damn you stormcloaks, Skyrim was fine until you came along, Empire was nice and lazy. If they hadn't been looking for you I could have stolen that horse and be halfway to Hammerfell

[@MuffinYoBusiness]

Z3P3RN1L hey, you me? We shouldn’t be in this mess it’s the stormcloaks the empire wants

[@ericowen5305]

Kristian R we're all brothers and sisters in binds now, theif!

[@GWRNori]

@@ericowen5305 Shut up back there! >:U

[@MaiqTheLiarProductions]

M’aiq thinks nords are weird they wear lots of fur it makes M’aiq uncomfortable

[@JargonMadjin]

I'm seeing two M'aiqs. Has someone spiked my mead with skooma?

[@zerrierslizer1]

@@JargonMadjin oh, so THAT's where it went! i thought i had just taken the bottle and chugged it down. but it seems i actually DID put it in my tankard of mead. it was gone so i just left THINKING i was high. so you where the one who walked into me? well, that explains a lot. you must have taken the wrong tankard after you stumbled into me and got back up. well well. shit happens i guess.

[@lickylicky9232]

This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!

[@ericowen5305]

I've had kahjiit characters wear fur armor before. Always did feel weird

[@marioishifranz2326]

Also strange to be Argonian in dragon scale.

[@SouthLondonForever]

The Thalmor general wasn't just killed, he was hanged from the top of White Gold tower ;) Karma

[@thoruszwolf4153]

And forcibly kept alive for 33 days.. could you imagine that kind of suffering? seems awful cruel, and yet, still too good for the Thalmor

[@bugcatcherjacky1334]

How do you keep someone alive for 33 days when hanged from a tower?

[@masayukitachibana2756]

Bug Catcher Jacky healing hand?

[@bugcatcherjacky1334]

@@masayukitachibana2756 You, sir, are a genius.

[@LegendStormcrow]

@@masayukitachibana2756 i just soul trap and yeet them. The soul gem goes ina weapon to slay more thalmor.

[@bigweiner4217]

"It's time to overcome my evil nature"-General Tullius

[@JargonMadjin]

Legends say a Stormcloak wrote that line

[@cacarolcahh]

Plot twist Tullius is actually Paarthunax

[@DragonGunzDorian]

Carolina Motta don't you dare insult parthurnax like that lol

[@crimson8076]

@@DragonGunzDorian shut up tullius is bae

[@DragonGunzDorian]

SNap lol sorry man I'm just a die hard stormcloak. I couldn't resist making the joke.

[@andrewwieland7836]

M'aiq hates mudcrabs

[@alibabasaluja2000]

But they're so cute trying to hurt me in my fully enchanted daedric armor

[@ModdingNewbie]

@@alibabasaluja2000 lol

[@D0NU75]

What a lovechild of M'aiq and Nazim would look like?

[@bandito_boye5235]

@@D0NU75 Wanna find out?

[@ericowen5305]

Darius Ng HELL NO!!!

[@funnynoodleman]

General Tullius actually does have cut dialogue of him talking to the High Elves during that moment. He even was suppose to join you and Hadvar during your escape of Helgen, and has cut dialogue of that too. The only problem is the only version of the dialogue we have is in German.

[@Sparkero-]

Where can I find this cut dialogue ?

[@funnynoodleman]

@@Sparkero- I remember finding it in an old video, been a bit so my memory is fuzzy. I can try to find it and put the link here.

[@funnynoodleman]

@@Sparkero- kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIKroquIapp9nq8si=fMyXC1J-W5-iS85r found it. I was never sure if this was 100% true, I'll admit, but I mean, if Ulfric was originally going to escape, why wouldn't Tullius?

[@Sparkero-]

@@funnynoodleman if you find it I can translate it

[@funnynoodleman]

@@Sparkero- already found the video that has the audio. It looks to already have been translated as well. A short version of it is him telling the high elves that this execution is going to happen, and they are not going to intervene. There is also some dialogue between him and a version of Hadvar with a different voice actor during the escape. My guess is they decided to change the voice for Hadvar before releasing the game. The video was posted 3 years ago by Publick Gamer

[@orchid5996]

Back in my day it was called the alessian order, you 4th era-ers and your simple names

[@23Raind]

By the nine you're a divine!

[@scalycoronet5198]

Whitesnake, why couldn’t you just LET ME HAVE THE ARMOR? And NOT go on the pilgrimage when I had 2 infamy?

[@orchid5996]

Scaly Coronet 2 infamy is 2 much

[@andhikaminda3378]

you and ysgrammor will have a great day if you guys still with us here in 4th era, sir knight

[@cuadrao1]

Pelinal " elf annihilator also a terminator" Whitestrake, how we miss you in this era.

[@ktvindicare]

I'd love to see the Thalmor back as primary antagonists in ES6. If it takes place in Valenwood or Elswyr or Summerset Isles our role could be that of freedom fighter. Or in true ES fashion we could roleplay as a Thalmor agent and work for them. It would be cool. I'm hoping we'll get to take part somehow in the second Great War. I'll be disappointed if we have another 200 year time skip and only get to read about it in more history books.

[@liao2211]

I sweat, I had the same thought, and it would be cool if you were leading a group of anti-thalmor rebels in Summerset.

[@ericowen5305]

I want all Thalmor to die! I wanna lead that charge! As a high elf no less!!

[@jemmargilbert]

It would also be cool to have a choice to join the Thalmor. Maybe someone wants to be an egotistical high elf that wants to slaughter everything.

[@ericowen5305]

@@jemmargilbert no

[@yasmingirl17]

ES6 is taking place in Hammerfell

[@theeloquentbrigand2232]

Elynwen: "You're gonna regret this. By order of the White Gold Concordat-" Tulius and the Stormcloaks he captured: "I think you mean the White *Brown* Concordat, because I wiped my ass with it!"

[@UsernameX-88]

The Senile Scribbles?

[@sethelrod9099]

One thing I wished Bethesda added into to the Stormcloak victory, purging the Thalmor out of Skyrim. It never made since that they were allowed to stay.

[@Lizzifer7]

the stormcloaks exist because the thalmor need them to weaken the empire - Infighting/devide and conquer (they planted the seed of doubt in ulfric when he was captured during the great war, turning him into a religious zealot that is easily manipulated) the stormcloaks are literally working for the thalmor's benefit without realizing it and will be easily destroyed when they're not needed any more.

[@car6697]

@@Lizzifer7 your reasoning could make sense (i guess) *only* DURING the civil war, but even *if* AFTER the Stormcloaks were to win the civil war and kick the empire out of Skyrim? No, if Skyrim becomes independently led by the Stormcloaks, that's where your point stops being true. The Stormcloaks (ESPECIALLY if they got the Dragonborn on their side) would *immediately* purge the Thalmor, or at least also repel them out of Skyrim, lore wise. It's most likely just game mechanics that some of them still remain after a Stormcloak victory so we can go to their Embassy so we can keep killing them and looting their armors and weapons. The doubt was already in Ulfric when he noticed they (the empire) were starting to lose against the Thalmor during The Great War, the Thalmor just planted that extra seed of doubt like you said, to make it worse. Almost everybody in The Elder Scrolls universe are religious: the empire, the Thalmor, the Stormcloaks, the Redguards, Dunmer, Argonians, Khajiit, Bretons, and Orcs, so idk what your trying to make your point about him being religious when *almost* everybody else in TES is. Maybe so, but the imperials are *absolutely* NOT saints either when it comes to that, even if Ulfric was manipulated, *at least* he doesn't knowingly and publicly make "peace treaties" with them and build the Thalmor literal *embassies* right by his capital faction's city. If the Stormcloaks are supposedly "working for the Thalmor's benefit", then why do they all speak with complete hatred towards them and will try to kill any of them on sight during Skyrim? 🤨 I'm pretty dang sure the imperial soldiers are genuinely working for the Thalmor's benefit too tho when in random encounters out in the wilderness, you can definitely see them do the *same* exact deeds their Thalmor overlords do by arresting and marching Talos worshippers off to a prison to most likely be interrogated, tortured and killed. Perhaps, but at least the Stormcloaks would much rather be destroyed WITHOUT sacrificing any of their beliefs or laws JUST to please their enemies like the imperials did. But by your logic, the empire would most certainly be easily destroyed as well since they literally almost were at the end of The first Great War, hence why their cowardly, weak emperor wanted to sign a peace treaty with The Aldmeri Dominion. And if the empire ALREADY technically lost once, then there's a very big chance they'll lose again to the A.D in the future.

[@filiperodrigues97]

@@car6697 Good point, but you fail to realize that in the matter of war, having large amounts of territory under your influence also means having a larger resource pool, be it natural resources, workmanship, trained soldiers, points of attack, etc. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book for very large foes, because once you divide them, you conquer them any way you need, be it annihilating them, forcing them into submitting to your politics, forging alliances, etc. Now think with me for a second: The Stormcloaks (SCKs) wins the war. Then for a moment, they group themselves to kick out the Thalmor forces, after all they have no say in a nation unrelated to the Empire so no White-Gold Concordat shit to piss off the damn Nords. Great success, they have the Dragonborn with them. But the A.D. didn't care, because now they're preparing for a war against the weakened Imperials. But here things gets interesting! Because your SCKs already got what they wanted, emancipated from the Empire, and has no Thalmor strolling around like they own the place anymore, so they can't care less if and when the A.D will face the Empire. When it eventually happens, the SCKs likely won't join forces with the Empire, given they're extreme nationalists and was battle enemies. The A.D then wins against them in various battles, taking their land, their resources, their people, and so on. Now imagine the A.D with the most menacing war tactics and influence with a territory almost twice times larger than Skyrim, ready to declare war to annex the Nords and submit them into slavery. You can be a great Dragonborn but you're not two or three or a small unit, just someone well versed in screaming against a continent's worth of war resources. Guess who'll have a *BAD TIME* preventing that to happen! Not only that, but the odds to annihilate the supremacist A.D is now forever lost, just because the Dragonborn is pissed at General Tullius for wanting their head (I mean, come on, the man got you and some folk crossing the border in the middle of a civil war along with the head of the rebels). Don't underestimate the potential of D&C, history shows us it is VERY effective and the possibility of its use must be readily taken account. That alone should have been enough to Ulfric to stop the rebellion and help the Empire bust the A.D if he wasn't so busy trying to sit on the High King's throne.

[@nojusticejustus2912]

@@filiperodrigues97 ehh you're underestimating the dragon born. Remember yuh become head of the dark brotherhood. Sithis runs the hist tree.. yuh can truce with argonians, redguards beat the a.d. they'll truce with the dragon born, Bretons don't like thalmor and they'll side with stormcloaks via dragon born and saving the mayor in solsthiem will open up a truce with dark elves. Thru the thieves guild yuh align with the khajit so resources are there or easily obtainable, and yuh become bloodkin to the orcs which will side with yuh. That being said once yuh kill the emperor that'll create a situation for the nords n empire to sign a treaty of not to help each other it could stop the war between each other. Skyrim belongs to the nords!! 😂 Enjoy! Also remember yuh steal maven black briar horse frost. If the empire wins maven be omes jarl of riften and she never really liked yuh so she'll turn on yuh. Balgruuf is loyal to empire and if yuh side with stormcloaks yuh beat him into submission anyways and elisif relys too much on tullius n firebeard. Meaning she's worthless. I love this game 😂

[@nojusticejustus2912]

@@filiperodrigues97 most importantly if alduin didn't come to your aid the corrupt empire would've ended your life.

[@dabeshgamer2356]

"Time to overcome my evil nature" 9:55 Definitely a quote that needs to resurface in the elder scrolls franchise .

[@jarlballin6548]

Many members of the Thalmor and the Aldmeri Dominion also reference the Great War as the First War against the Empire. This heavily implies the Dominion is outright planning a second Great War.

[@ZaZi-Zeta01]

Not to mention you can talk with Eo-what's-her-face's second in command and he mentions how the Concordant is nothing more than a pause before the Thalmor wipe out the Empire.

[@Anthony-qt8cw]

In the begging of the game when you watch that little boy have his dad die by Alduin, you can save him by running up to his wing before he breathes fire causing Alduin to just fly away.

[@explodingplant2]

Really? Will he pop up later or does the boy still go to live with Froki?

[@Raphentei]

16:07 You could say "The Empire Strikes Back"

[@guineapups7835]

Yesss

[@vslayer7403]

YES SIR

[@justbanana9563]

"The highest ranking Imperial official we can meet" The Emperor: Am I a joke to you?

[@jyggalagdaedricprinceoford6239]

Yes

[@erikho6936]

Mace of Molag Bal and Black Star: yes

[@andhikaminda3378]

after watching this I want to start a new playthrough as a high elf woman, start in thalmor embassy as disillusioned thalmor agent with alternate start mod, grab roggvir's amulet of talos and join the imperial legion..

[@iro6758]

that sounds amazing lol

[@ericowen5305]

hats off to you my friend. 👏👏👏

[@valon5069]

Andhika Minda good man

[@embyrsong7748]

I do that, but play as a double agent, working for both the thalmor and the empire.

[@ericowen5305]

Embyrsong Good idea! Make the Thalmor think they can trust you, gather information for the empire, then butcher all the Thalmor

[@stormlordmarty2623]

Why does general tullius say “time to overcome my evil nature” 😂😂😂

[@rexmagi4606]

Realizing that the Empire is about to go kill the Thalmor takes any possible argument away from Stormcloaks.

[@ericowen5305]

Rex Magi pretty much!

[@ericowen5305]

Airock what do YOU think would be more likely to destroy the Thalmor? a small group of Nords or an entire army of Tamriel citizens? Besides, if the redguards truly beat the Thalmor, why is there still Thalmor? The true victory is NOT to just get the Thalmor out of Skyrim, but to completely wipe them off the face of Tamriel!!!

[@ericowen5305]

Airock the Great I just hate how all the stormcloaks are so damn racist. But, I admit, neither side is perfect

[@ericowen5305]

seriously, we're spending WAY too much time arguing about this! It's not even the main focus of the game! OK. I suggest we find something we can agree on. Killing dragons is fun

[@ravedubin3983]

Airock the Great In cannon the main character usually disappears after the story and the main character likely won’t take a canon side in the war like other factions from previous games

[@Cru128]

If there’s a second war, that time will be different since now, THERE’S THE DRAGONBORN.

[@toaster83]

Yes if anyone thinks they can go toe to toe with someone who is basically the child of a god they must be retarded

[@BLOrtega]

I'm more than sure that the Thalmor isn't going to start a war while the Dragonborn is walking around. Because if they did, the Empire would just beg for the Dragonborn's help and well you can pretty much imagine what is going to happen. An Elven army vs A Demigod who sent Alduin the World Eater packing

[@Cru128]

@@BLOrtega, it’d probably be ignited by the empire in all honesty, and why wouldn’t they call the aid of the Dragonborn? It’s another war and one with more intensity than the previous Great War because the Empire was severely weakened, I think it’s justified that they would call the Dragonborn. And it’s possible that the Canon Dragonborn would be morally good. While some actions will be unjust, there is always bad in the good from the understanding we have of the Yin and the Yang, and some of the dialogue options have a more Yin aspect, as someone who wants the best for the Empire, Stormcloaks, or whatever.

[@thefroggy5240]

just like there was the hero of cyrodiil and the nerevarine... the dragonborn too will find something to do that doesn't involve politics 👀

[@car6697]

@@Cru128 yeah but have you ever considered the possiblity if maybe the Dragonborn became a Stormcloak and holds a HUGE grudge against cyrodiil's empire for what they were gonna do to him/her in Helgen? i'm not tryna debate, but it's just a possibility to think about

[@teofilusevanmenosa3689]

I've been playing Skyrim without touching the civil war questline because im not sure which side is better yet. This vid convinced me to take on the imperial's side now, thanks Nate!

[@dylanwaites]

To be fair, the Great War ended about 25 years ago. So it makes sense that General Tullius’s voice could be more youthful in Legends than when we meet him in Skyrim

[@mymaskofshame]

The Stormcloaks thank you for all this information about the Empire, This could help us turn the course of the war. Added Gold (50)

[@Valencetheshireman927]

Not really

[@jacquesshadow5219]

@@Valencetheshireman927 what a lame reply

[@Valencetheshireman927]

Look who’s talking ! Secondly , I write lots of comments so I don’t have the time to spend my life writing extra long extra detailed comment for every idiot I see online .

[@Valencetheshireman927]

Walter wrote a good comment I responded with a short comment but here’s the long version . This information is wasted in the hands of the Stormcloaks because they will never defeat the might of the empire no matter how much information they claw from us ! There is this what you wanted ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂I’ll do my best to write more solid replies next time !

[@rilvayn2577]

This video single-handedly pushes my “start a new life” Dunmer to team imperial

[@kurookami2579]

The thing about Elder Scrolls lore, especially with the events of various factions. Is that while the PLAYER may not participate in them, the next game tends to reveal that such events did happen. I do think Skyrim's cival war is an exception to this, due to the main questline's "Season Unending" quest, in which both sides make a temporary peace. I do think in TES 6, we will se several key events from Skyrim show up in lore. Main one's being the obvious return of the dragonborn and his defeat of Alduin, but equally as important ones as factions like the Theives Guild is on the rise, while the Dark Brotherhood also becomes more popular due to their assassination of the Emperor. I also expect to see a bit about the Eye of Magnus and maybe even the return of the Physjic Order. Because while it may not have been the Dragonborn to do these things. SOMEONE will have completed these things and their events tend to be canon in the lore

[@realzachfluke1]

If General Tullius wasn’t a strong, principled leader who would do anything and everything to protect the Empire and Skyrim against the Thalmor, they would be much weaker. If he weren’t operating in Skyrim, things would be markedly worse for the Nords. What the Empire has needed is a strong, moral, and unwavering leader who is dedicated to unifying all of Tamriel.

[@jamesbudd3096]

Couldn't agree more, meanwhile you have dumb as a sack of rocks ulfric. I like how ulfric is so absolutely oblivious to literally everything going around him, he's a puppet yet for some reason he thinks he's fighting for freedom. The thalmor purposely banned talos worship to tick the nords.

[@saudade7842]

@@jamesbudd3096 If you side with the Stormcloaks Tullius states how the Dominion are the real enemies and manipulating them yet Ulfric doesn't acknowledge that part, all he does is say something about how his little rebellion isn't so small.

[@Valencetheshireman927]

I think the Thalmor mainly banned Talos worship because they hate him and because they want to destroy humanity.

[@melonseiiLOVE]

J 19 i’d say the ban of Talos worship has multiple layers of reasoning: from a religious point it is a decision to appeal to their (the dominion’s) citizen, because Talos is a HUMAN god, and thus not recognized by elves or Khajit. Banning him would likely garner support for their cause and make those citizens more willing to pay for any wars. Another facet is the fact that it simultaneously denounces humans and as a clause in the peace treaty it serves to humiliate the Empire, by forcing them to go against their own citizens because of it. Basically knocking down humanity’s arrogance a peg. Politically the ban also serves to destabilize the Empire’s relationship with its vassal states as evident in Skyrim’s civil war. And as Nate explained, there is good reason to want the Empire as split as possible.

[@Valencetheshireman927]

Agreed

[@SimplyCicero]

i side with the empire any who i hope you’re doing great today and you’re a beautiful person edit:you should try the elder scrolls 4 it’s a good game

[@knightshade3d51]

Can’t wait to get a great gaming pc for Skyrim to play Skyblivion and all of Skyrim’s great mods

[@Juggalofish]

I like Oblivion better then Skyrim and I didn't play Oblivion until after I played Skyrim

[@ramonnik82]

Oblivion? I really miss that game. I wish they remastered all the elder scrolls and sold it in one pack. Oblivion was my first and i never ended the game. Oblivion is a great game. That's for sure. Is it backwards compatible with the Xbox One? Maybe i buy it again for the Xbox 360 that i unfortuneatelly don't own anymore. I will always remember the first Oblivion gate and it's daedric keeper. "Your flesh is forfeit! Your blood is mine!" Oh and the monk that gave me great armor and weapons after giving the amulet. Anyway don't ever piss off the unicorn in the game. It will follow you and kill everyone at sight. First time i saw a pissed of unicorn. LOL!

[@knightshade3d51]

philip sturgeon I’ve played oblivion before, and I’m split between them. The mechanics of oblivion were in my opinion worse than Skyrim, but the factions and story were way better so hard to say

[@deadasfak]

This is what I love about Skyrim. The situation and the two sides mimic real world political ideology, reasoning and etc. There's perfectly good reasons to support either side. I've seen furious debate between the supporters of each side of a MADE UP CONFLICT! Amazing. The game doesn't spoon feed you who's right or wrong.

[@badlie4858]

i remember when Skyrim was released back in 2011, literally nobody of my friends were going for the Empire. they all were like "Thalmor is bad, Sons of Skyrim are cool, Ulfric is the king of Skyrim, Skyrim for the nords", etc. who's laughing now? no, i wasn't in the chess club.

[@bloodspilla55]

asiling rose I was 12 when I first started playing the game. At that naive stage I insisted that the Stormcloaks were the rightful heirs of Skyrim, and that the Empire was a failed attempt at resistance that kowtowed to the Thalmor and oppressed its own citizens. Now I see how stupid I was. Humanity needs to stick together while they recuperate their losses and ready themselves for round 2. Fighting amongst ourselves is exactly what the Thalmor want.

[@kitykatgrl68]

I could literally listen to you narrate everything for my entire day. "murdered to death" is actually my favorite line to use ever.

[@undep588]

I love you, your voice your content, your mods, your videos, your graphics, your tone, your patience, your mom, your use of vocabulary, your mood, your polls, your creativity, and your love for skyrim

[@kylethomas9130]

When Nate mentioned the Thalmor were supplying the Stormcloaks, did anyone else suspect the Summerset Shadows in being complicit?

[@hamzaferoz6162]

That's a plausible theory

[@dutchpatriot17]

That would actually make sense, given their proximity to Windhelm.

[@MyH3ntaiGirl]

Yep make sense

[@imperialsoldier2753]

Long live the emperor! Wait a second...

[@thoruszwolf4153]

Yep, that was what the note stabbed into the back of the Emperor said. ... at least the Assassin was a patriot

[@shroudthewolf1105]

@@thoruszwolf4153 Technically the Emperor ordered his own soldier to kill him if the Dragonborn side with the Empire

[@arthurq7843]

I hope TESVI is gonna be about Empire fighting Thalmore for Hammerfell with some local redguard rebels fighting both of them... Next TES has a lot of potential for good lore main quest!

[@typejdavos8297]

So I have hundreds of hours on Skyrim and I just found out about “The Society of Mercantile Freedom in Riften”

[@ConnectWithClips]

It's so cool that one book at the Thalmor Embassy adds so much depth to the intro. Very immersive storytelling.

[@chaoticstudent1815]

Tullius does have a response to Elenwen.... It's revealed in the Civil War Overhaul. He just ignores her commands, telling her he can't do that.

[@JargonMadjin]

You mean a mod? Not sure if we should count that dude

[@illyavenias5944]

Instead he stubborn nearly succeeded to kill the player first and end this game from the very beginning.

[@JargonMadjin]

@@illyavenias5944 No, that was the Imperial Captain's decision to execute you despite Hadvar pointing out that you shouldn't have been there to begin with

[@impreza0109]

@@JargonMadjin it's an unused but recorded dialogue that several mods reused to give more context on what is actually happening

[@JargonMadjin]

@@impreza0109 Ok

[@nutrient.-.7275]

Also the storm cloaks are like rebels who think they are freeing the people but are just jeopardizing and hurting them more.

[@jhstarr4]

THANK YOU!!!! The first fact is sooooo important and most players don't know about it or ignore it. You sir are a great man.

[@damoncollins2677]

My thought is what if you mentioned that during the meeting like “ bro we all hate the Thalmor let’s end this war and just build our forces”. I know they have an ambassador but just kick her to the curb. While continuing a proxy war with minimum casualties

[@Kill3ditGaming]

When I played Skyrim on my Xbox 360 almost 9 years ago, I always sided with the Stormcloaks, now that I'm able to see the bigger picture, I'm beginning to regret that decision, as I only ever made choices based on what I thought was the right thing to do.

[@cc0767]

its quite literally the "naive youth getting tricked into war" trope

[@LeanieBeanie]

I don’t know, this title seems EXTRA long today

[@treylee2719]

Even better

[@lickylicky9232]

If you read it backwards, it's the same

[@kyarch2948]

I realize this isn't really a "normal" video idea for this channel, but I would be incredibly into a "History of the Elder Scrolls" type video from you, Nate. Just listening to you talk about the history of the Great War was deeply intriguing and engaging for me!

[@krod432]

In my headcanon, when the main quest line of Skyrim was over the Dragonborn would take part in the 2nd Great War, even possibly becoming a new potential Emperor. I mean the Skyrim main quest, really would put the Dragonborn front and centre in Imperial politics no matter which side they chose in the Stormcloak Rebellion.

[@gonnanukeyawatchout2815]

You turned a stormcloak supporter in to a Empire supporter with that last thing.

[@destinycaldwell8893]

Here's a tiny detail I haven't seen covered yet. Last playthorugh I was in the temple of Mara and heard the priests talking to each other about being in a relationship and the dark elf who gives you the matchmaking quests being pregnant! I did have a few mods (on PS4) enabled so they may have unlocked the dialogue but it was still a fully voiced conversation that the VA's recorded so it could still be cannon. I never spent much time in the temple so i hadn't noticed before. If cannon she could be the only pregnant person we see in the game!

[@pht8835]

There's the blacksmith's wife in dawnstar and also the woman who works for the silver-blood family. She's the wife of eltrys, the man who was trying to solve the forsworn conspiracy in markarth and was assassinated for it.

[@Jason75913]

I remember General Tullius alluding to a second war with the Dominion, saying that he "has a feeling that (imperial troops) will be called to arms again soon", or something like that at the end of the civil war quest line. I have an older version of Skyrim on an outdated PC I haven't been using lately.

[@epicDiggs]

Next should be “Top 5 Things the Empire DON’T Want You to Know”

[@Petaurista13]

1. General Tulius likes to play with rubber duck while bathing 2. And al other empire officers too. Plus they all actually wore light pink string panties. 3. Empire is actually puppet of Thamor after Thalmor agent discovered that Tulius like to wear bra when no one watches.

[@erikho6936]

@@Petaurista13 4. Empire is being blackmailed by Thalmor

[@Valencetheshireman927]

The empire isn’t being blackmailed all the empire is doing is obeying a temporary peace treaty they agreed to with the Thalmor but that doesn’t make them puppets either what Nemo said is just blatant fallacy.

[@itsQueenPurple]

I just love your Videos and cant get enough of them. There are Always interessting

[@PunknPixels]

i always found it strange you couldn't go to ulfric after the thalmor embassy mission and be like "Hey buddy your whole civil war thing is being counted on by the thalmor and they're definitely hoping it drags on and on to attack the empire again. Maybe like...drop it? Help the empire fight the thalmor outright instead of fighting what you see as a representative in the Legion?"

[@ChristianRobertPeterson]

Man your Detail in the video is great, sifting through the Texts and books of Skyrim. Well done 👍🏼

[@enomisv9830]

I don't know if you've covered this, but did you know that in Hungarian, Farkas translates to Wolf, and in Lithuanian, Vilkas translates to Wolf, which means the two iconic brothers of the companions are named Wolf which is pretty cool in my opinion

[@Jstar95175]

Ocato's story was so interesting! Damn Thalmor

[@CJ-ib2jy]

This is why I side with the empire. The storm cloaks have the right to worship as they see fit but if the elves can defeat the entire empire, it could certainly defeat and annex east Skyrim. The empire already fought for Skyrim's right to worship Talos and the empire lost. So I help the empire but if I come across Thalmor with no empire soldiers with them - well let's say I end up with lots of elfin armor and weapons to sell or use in smithing.

[@brianstryker4536]

Anyone who sides with the stormcloaks probably says "I have a friend whos a dark elf!"

[@brianstryker4536]

You traitor

[@MycIRL]

Typically I join the Imperials, but my current file (a Dragonborn Altmer) is debating on joining the Stormcloaks. Mostly because he’s a rebellious teenager who ran away from Sommerset Isles and his family, though.

[@ashleywellumson5013]

I knew about the dossiers.. but all the rest was new! It never ceases to amaze me with how much new content you manage to find!

[@princessbinas]

The empire strikes back. There, I said it.

[@obituaryollie9104]

"I wont fail in my dootee!"

[@ericowen5305]

Voo Doo I say that everytime I poop. 😅😅😅

[@haileetompkins8404]

I was honestly looking foward to a video today 🥳

[@retro_gamer_uk]

I was a Stormcloak, but I have seen the light. I will fight to strengthen our position against the Thalmor until I take an arrow to a place that everybody knows always ends adventuring careers.

[@ericowen5305]

Chris Collins I knew you meant the knee, but my mind says "you mean your nuts?"

[@retro_gamer_uk]

Eric Owen I cant deny it crossed my mind when writing it 😂

[@RydelFox]

While listening to Elenewn's unused dialog, I just now realized she has the same voice actress as Admiral Merlwyb from Final Fantasy XIV

[@kevinlestrange3599]

You know id love to see a video like this about some of the small factions of the game, the summerset shadows, the blood horkers, the pirates of japhet’s folly etc

[@darthmalgus4766]

Its amazing how you still find things to post on skyrim and its more surprising I dont know all of then

[@xPanda_]

TheEpicNate315: uploads this video Stormcloak’s: alright whose writing these down, detail people.

[@CuriousGeorge1111]

Thanks Nate, that was fun and informative--you shared some great insights. All the best!

[@CaporegimeMarcus]

14:06 This little line is why I will always support an Imperial ending for the Civil War questline. Can you imagine how amazing it will be to fight in a war with the Thalmor!

[@thoruszwolf4153]

... you like seeing that General Tullius disapproves of the Emperors peace treaty with the Thalmor o.O? Stormcloaks are better in every way, if, you don't like the Thalmor that is.

[@CaporegimeMarcus]

@@thoruszwolf4153 I like that it shows that the the Empire is only bidding its time until the next war with the Dominion. Which is different from what the Stormcloaks think which is that the Empire just surrendered for no reason.

[@thoruszwolf4153]

@@CaporegimeMarcus I believe the quote is just hinting at Tullius's rebellious stance, as he even tells you in game that a lot of what Ulfric says about the Empire is true, and that he himself is tempted to join them, but feels bound by his loyalty to the Empire

[@ravedubin3983]

Thorus Zwolf They are both building up their strength for a second Great War

[@thoruszwolf4153]

@@ravedubin3983 only the Dominion is building up, as the treaty with the Thalmor has seen to the rapid decline in Imperial support and power... it would have been much better to defeat the Dominion back when they had no armies left rather than spend several decades defending and financing them while they rebuilt their destroyed military

[@Arkancide]

By the Nine, I had so many arguments with my friends on who it was best to side with in Skyrim. They were all Stormcloak fans, while I was firmly on the side of the Empire. They brought out all the cliches about 'Skyrim for the Nords' and 'The Empire is just the bitches of the Thalmor' and so forth and so on. I tried explaining the political situation and how the Empire was only appearing to kowtow to the Thalmor for the time being, and that even the ban on Talos worship wasn't a big deal at first. (talk to Alvor after escaping Helgen with Hadvar) It was when Ulfric took Markarth from the damnable Forsworn scum that shit hit the fan in that regard. Thalmor likely didn't even have a presence in Skyrim(beyond spies and such) until Ulfric demanded the ban on Talos worship be lifted in return for the city. One of my friends is now a police officer, and when presented with the facts, is now beginning to see that my support of the Empire was not unfounded. The others have not relented in their support of the Stormcloaks, despite the evidence. Thank you for this video.

[@Valencetheshireman927]

Maybe , but the lady Elisif has a stronger claim to the throne . The moot chooses but given how most Jarls ( If you include Balgruuf ) are pro-Imperial she would win unless the Stormcloaks defeat the empire .

[@ericowen5305]

I didn't know the Empire was getting ready for a rematch with the Thalmor, but thank Talos they are! Hopefully by Elder Scrolls VI the Thalmor will be little more than a bad memory

[@jotarokujo4727]

They will lose the second great war,because the empire had a secret weopon who will erase literally ALL THE ALDMERI DOMINION and this weopon is THE DRAGONBORN,The New emperor

[@ericowen5305]

Lone Wanderer I can't see The Dragon born being an emperor. He/she is too much of an adventurer to settle down. However, I do see him/her fighting in the second great war. The death of the Thalmor is coming!! 😀😀

[@ravedubin3983]

Lone Wanderer in canon in all the elder scrolls game the main character disappears shortly after the events of the game.

[@PorkFork]

Love this channel, I've always sided with the Stormcloak with a few characters who were neutral, but after a few of your videos I've reinstalled and making a pro Imperial character.

[@duelbraids]

If I remember correctly, there actually IS some of Tullius’s dialogue from the opening scene with Elenwen, I believe, in the German version? He basically just says “these are my prisoners, I won’t hand them over, etc.” Been on a binge of these videos, such a fun time.

[@MsterJamesJT]

A friend of mine used to be "ride or die" Stormcloaks til I pointed out the face A) the Thalmor call the Great war the "first war with the empire" and B) What chance does Skyrim ALONE have against the Thalmor. Squat chance.

[@levi0uten704]

nate with another amazing video love the content and keep it going!

[@Vigilofgaming]

I think that the empire would’ve had a better chance if they knew of the armies coming. Seems the empires weakness wasn’t just military but lack of intelligence on the Thalmor

[@damackabet.4611]

If memory serves they had a magical artifact that let them out maneuver the empire, which was destroyed near the end of the war.

[@1Fanfanatick]

this was the best one yet. i love that so much was out there and I had no idea. the forgotten hero is kinda sad, saves the day and no one remembers you/me/us. kinda makes me want to play legends... kinda... Bethesda scares me. also... can we get a part 2?

[@CodeNamed1_CoNa1]

1Fanfanatick can someone tell me how is this “verified” in the legends? And truly this makes me sad if it is based on something like ...legends...

[@CodeNamed1_CoNa1]

Also absolutely part 2!!

[@Limrasson]

The highest ranking official you can meet in any of the games is literally the avatar of Talos and he says that perhaps it's time to replace the empire with something new.

[@dutchpatriot17]

No he doesn't, replay Morrowind and talk to Wulf again. All he says is that the Emperor has to be replaced - which has happened. The Medes are now in charge. Wulf predicted the Stormcrown Interregnum.

[@Limrasson]

@@dutchpatriot17 It's the same thing tho. And I actually checked out his dialogue options and no, he explicitly says that the empire got old and maybe it should be replaced with something else.

[@dutchpatriot17]

@@Limrasson No it ain't. Wulf says both the Empire and the Emperor are old, but he only says he isn't sure how much longer the *Emperor* will hang on.

[@Limrasson]

@@dutchpatriot17 "The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty."

[@dutchpatriot17]

@@Limrasson Yes, I know the quote. I've played Morrowind, more than once, including its Imperial Cult questline.

[@notawolf494]

It would make for a really interesting plot twist if you could present the Thalmor documents detailing their plans to either the stormcloacks or the Empire

[@masayukitachibana2756]

"Wait wait, what are you doing?!" "Killing Thalmors" Me, killing every Thalmor on the road while posing as imperial captain

[@maiqtheliar3652]

Amazing how history repeats itself!!!

[@rodache7200]

The elder scrolls has almost as much lore as the real life, i wonder what things will be added at the new elder scrolls games in the future And we'll miss you ocato, rest in peace

[@I_Am_Wasabi_Man]

Nice joke, "The elder scrolls has almost as much lore as the real life".

[@ligninman]

As much recorded lore*

[@rodache7200]

@@ligninman sorry, my bad English is not my first language

[@ligninman]

@@rodache7200 its no matter that mistake is made by many native speakers too

[@Mikayla_Games24]

I was just playing Skyrim. I love your vids Nate. Keep up the good work. Can't wait for the next vid.

[@Wolf_Momma14]

Nate I have watched every single one of your videos and it’s amusing to me when I can point out lore and facts about Skyrim that even the friend who introduced me to it didn’t know. Thank you for showing me that not everything is as it seems in Skyrim

[@james737er]

When you realize Talos made the Empire, then the Dominion tells the Empire to stop worshiping him. The Stormcloaks just try to worship Talos. So technically they both feed off from Talos, so THEY ARE THE SAME!!!!!

[@23Raind]

Meaning stormcloaks are the true loyalists.

[@matteobonelli8442]

They are, but they are also stupid: weakening the Empire is just a favour for the Dominion itself. They should have joined forces and repell them, in order to worship Talos. If Ulfric wins, the Empire is almost certain doomed, and so is Tamriel.

[@23Raind]

@@matteobonelli8442 maybe, but I think the storm cloaks are still better. Even if not ideal. Most people after 8 years have made up their mind, but I think these guys make a good case. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGa1nYqreLl4mpo

[@dutchpatriot17]

@@23Raind The true loyalists are the ones who destroy the very thing that made Talos divine? The very Empire founded by Talos himself? How exactly does that make you a loyalist?

[@23Raind]

@@dutchpatriot17 because they are loyal to their god not an institution. They put the emperor above the Empire.

[@oigustvo3271]

General Tullius voice card sounds like a character from metal gear

[@DissociativeDevilsAdvocate]

At the end of the civil war quest if you side with the stormcloaks Tulius actually tells everyone "this is what they wanted" referencing the thalmor.

[@folkishappalachian6827]

It isn't what they wanted tho. That's a retarded statement. They said in their dossier that they wanted neither side to win and the conflict to drag out. So apparently it's cool when redguards leave the empire but not nords? 🤔

[@DissociativeDevilsAdvocate]

From what I've heard and seen they wanted Skyrim liberated so it could become weaker once isolated from other provinces and easier to conquer

[@folkishappalachian6827]

@@DissociativeDevilsAdvocate no, in official writing they stated they wanted neither side to win, that theu wanted to leverage either side go balance the fight and waste resources.

[@folkishappalachian6827]

The longer it drags out the weaker both sides get.

[@folkishappalachian6827]

Dossier "A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed."

[@cerebralassassin117]

The hero is literally a badass. Stopped the oblivion crisis and won the red ring. That's honestly freakin sweet.

[@SomethingSmartIg]

Technicly the emperor stopped the oblivion crisis

[@mortemtool1783]

Martin stopped it

[@TeamJella]

If we're getting into technicalities, Martin, the Hero and Alkosh together stopped it. And all Martin did was die, so he contributed the least of the three, with Alkosh contributing the most.

[@SomethingSmartIg]

@@TeamJella Martin unleashead Akatosh so whats your point

[@SunnyC.D.A221]

Thr second secret solidifies why I go for the imperials rather than stormcloaks