Slavery- Ancient and Modern (feat. Dr. Monica Shepherd)

Monica and I discuss the similarities and differences between slavery in the ancient Mediterranean and slavery in the United States pre-1865.
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[@centipede9467]

I feel bad for Sean who constantly has all these weird conservatives and bigots think he actually agrees with them.

[@Argacyan]

I'm randomly coming across this channel in my recommendations, I haven't watched any content thus far so seeing this comment my first instinct would be to agree - on the other hand one of the first things I saw in the video description is this channel has a BitChute link. That's one thing you probably should avoid doing if you don't want to be associated with them, cause that website is well known to be "youtube" for weird conservatives, bigots & worse. Like KZbin has its own problems, but that platform was launched on the premise of that stuff.

[@theletterw3875]

I hate to be that guy. I really do. No disrespect to your host, I appreciate her time. As a black man though (so you know this isn't some racism) I must say thersites, I don't think she was the right person to make this case on your channel, for the following reasons: 1: It was very clear that your guest didn't have the comparative scope to criticize American slavery the way she wanted to. Without other examples to compare to, her criticisms of American slavery came off as personal historical interpretation that she expects the public to agree with her on because she said it and its obviously right. Not at all saying she thinks that way, but it is easy to interpret that way when she doesn't compare the way for instance you did comparing greek and roman approaches to enslavement. 2:the vast majority of your audience respects you and we take offense when one of your academic peers offhandedly says XYZ "happened more than you know" or "i'll wear the cape." I know it's nitpicking and she definitely didnt mean to insult you or your audience but yeah maybe you or some of us know some things she does and shouldn't be assumed to have inferior exposure, or that her exposure is sufficient? Just feels insulting. 3: Sean 🐣 and this guest can never ever occupy the same space simultaneously or we risk total channel meltdown. Just Sean's takes on the destruction of US legacy because statues were removed would usher in the apocalypse early. I really don't mean to insult or depreciate your guest. Her time was a gift to us and we (most of us) are grateful. I really don't think she fits your channel though, we (and you) are kinda more advanced than she seems to grasp.

[@MyMomSaysImKeen]

Sean 🐣& her would be a convergence of mystical forces that'll be the catalyst to open a portal to Gehenna. This has to happen.

[@tillercaesar-kq4ou]

I’m not going to listen to this. So I’m not grateful

[@theletterw3875]

@@tillercaesar-kq4ou congratulations? Sorry I don't have any medals

[@forgetfulfunctor1]

100%. Ty. As I listened, I am 50% "oh I didn know that fact, thank you maam", and half "jfc why is she simultaneously so airheaded/uninformed and yet confident right now" lol. Like..she was a great amateur, yet still grating to someone who WANTS TO AGREE WITH HER/HEAR WHAT SHE SAYS

[@forgetfulfunctor1]

Like half her commentary can be summed as "mhmm"

[@user-ru4iq3ss9m]

Thank you for moving forward with this channel

[@konst80hum]

And now he is being interviewed! I am proud for you sir!

[@jbjones1957]

Let’s compare apples to apples and discuss, at the same time in the 1800’s American slavery to that of Islamic slavery and the East African slave trade. Or in the 1700’s American slavery to that of Spanish and Portuguese slavery in South America. Compare the merchant classes of European countries and the African kingdoms who captured and sold African slaves. Or compare the Bible to the Koran and what is taught of slavery. If you’re judging the classical period, do Greek slavery compared to Egyptian slavery. What was the ideology of African tribes making other African tribes slaves, to sell to foreigners?

[@centipede9467]

Right, I definitely agree but Derrik is a classical historian, that’s why we get this comparison on his channel, he’s literally an expert

[@VeritasAmantesVocat]

15:00 there is an earlier reference from the Law of Moses, that you must take slaves only from Neighboring Nations, not from other Jews.

[@forgetfulfunctor1]

"Thr South succeeded" And I wish you the best and secess in your endeavors miss 😅😅😅

[@user-lf5vq5zv8c]

Awesome!

[@DrShephard]

Would love to discuss this topic more with anyone interested. I do have my own podcast. All the PhD and big brain talk was sarcasm guys. 😂. We were kidding around. I do understand you all don’t know us personally but it was a joke.

[@DanSam48]

Dr Monica I got an A grade in a SR level AA Studies class when I was in college, I was assigned a paper to defend reparations for slavery. The professor took joy in giving me this assignment. I wrote my project based on the idea that the white descendants of the property owners should be compensated for an unjust taking of property outside of the scope of imminent domaine because there was no compensation. My professor (black lady) flipped out and kicked me out of class when I presented my project, appealed to the dean and got an A. She had a PhD too.

[@DrShephard]

@@DanSam48 again. I would be happy to have you on podcast if interested. But understand, it’s important to have a personality and a sense of humor. History can be fun.

[@DrShephard]

@@DanSam48 And your argument is not new. Many people have said that. So in other words, if a person is kidnapped and breaks a window the owner of the home would make the person kidnapped pay for the window. Again, would enjoy talking.

[@DrShephard]

Additionally, Lincoln did just that in Washington DC. Lincoln provided slave owners reparations and offered the same deal to the southern states and they declined. It’s called reparation day in Dc. It’s celebrated every year.

[@IreliAmBad]

@DrShephard I wouldn't waste much time trying to reason with this guy. He's in other sections of the comments being blatantly misogynistic. But I'd pay good money to listen to that conversation 🤣 Really enjoyed the interview though.

[@perrysmajestic988]

very cool!

[@tmnumber1]

If there is no slavery in America then the country would have been so unpredictively different that I dont think you can make any declarations about whether a civil war happens in such an alternate History. And that is correct!!

[@twonumber22]

Obviously the Civil war as we know it wouldn't have happened. Something else, anything else, could thus happen instead.

[@centipede9467]

Yeah good point, but it’s not really a correct statement it’s just an opinion. I do agree though.

[@edge7387]

😢

[@bitcoinbeavis7742]

We are all still slaves unless you have 20 million or more

[@thebigcheese8042]

This was probably the patronizing guest youve ever had. The idea that someone has to have a history degree to be knowledgable on history is absurd, plenty of smart history buffs who work a trade and plenty of phds who are dreadfully dimwhitted. And this is coming from a guy about to finish his bachelors in history education and then start my masters. Also, the idea that good historians are ones that are on her side is disgusting and even worse is she made clear rhat people who disagree with her racial political views shouldnt be able to voice their opinions because they arent on the "right side". I disagree with the lost causers but if im going to expect the right to speak my opinion how could i ever try and take that away from other people. This stream was a miss, not that youll take it but my advice would be to have on historians with a wider scope of study, more open mind, and less arrogance. Having Sean back on would be a start, miss that dude.

[@user-ru4iq3ss9m]

Sean bailed bro

[@jbjones1957]

The guess is a product of Maxist education; that their view of history hasn’t challenged. No context or nuisance, just broad generalisations or falsifications of history. Of course slavery is bad but don’t revise history to suit a narrow minded perspective.

[@WorthlessWinner]

I'm disturbed that a professor in anything tangentially related to slavery was ignorant that Aristotle wrote anything about slavery :I

[@RelivingHistory1]

What happened with Sean? When and why did he bail?

[@user-ru4iq3ss9m]

@@RelivingHistory1 he just lost enthusiasm. I don’t know why exactly. You could hear it happening for like a year. I think it’s because him and Thersites grew apart as people in what they care about

[@user-lf5vq5zv8c]

Thank you!

[@DieLuftwaffel]

It's been essentially proven that Jefferson was only one of over twenty men who careied the family Y chromosome that could have made him the father of one of Sally's children. Accounts from the family and Jefferson's own journal entries seem to show that he didnt really think very highly of her and she is barely mentioned. Only the bloodline of one of her sons was tested and it was for the Y chromosome marker which did not prove President Jefferson to be father, rather that likely someone from his family was the father and he only being a candidate. He had brothers visit, along with numerous nephews who all would have been potential fathers. The whole narrative has been one of wishful thinking, for some in order to create interest in Jefferson and Monticello, and for others in order to paint the foundation of the US as evil and worthy of destruction. Much of what this lady says is true, but much is also thick with political bias for the modern era and an agenda to steer the narrative and meld vulnerable minds into allegiance to the current thing.

[@DrShephard]

See the diary entries for when Sally traveled to Paris with him.

[@user-lf5vq5zv8c]

Profitable for the few!

[@tillercaesar-kq4ou]

Listened to about 20 sec and that was enough for me

[@centipede9467]

Why

[@tillercaesar-kq4ou]

@@centipede9467 her manner of speaking. Plus thersites was informing her of something. Sorry I’m not listening to an ignorant academic that should have a really firm grasp of the ancient world

[@centipede9467]

@@tillercaesar-kq4ouhistorians specialize specific fields, not all history. She was brought here because she specializes in transatlantic slavery, not ancient Europe. Thersites specializes in ancient Greece and Rome not her, that’s the point of the discussion.

[@centipede9467]

Is also dont know what u mean by manner of speaking.

[@tillercaesar-kq4ou]

@@centipede9467 listen to thersites and Sean talk. They seamlessly transition from talking about Persia to napoleon. With so much of the modern world built upon conceptions of antiquity, I can’t take seriously an academic that doesn’t know antiquity fairly well. Especially because there are few sources.

[@jackhakken]

Oe ah! Oe ah! Oe ah!

[@tankermottind]

You should disable comments on this video, it seems to be attracting the worst people on the internet to troll the comments.

[@senefelder]

Agree

[@JimmyStiffFingers]

It's not that bad. A few criticisms and a funny troll. You people can't handle anything. 😂

[@DanSam48]

I wasn't trolling I was serious

[@JimmyStiffFingers]

@@DanSam48 never said you were.

[@olso8621]

Imagine thinking anyone critical of this must automatically be trolling

[@MyMomSaysImKeen]

The cis het YT guy talks far too much in this. He is so patronizing about these subjects he knows nothing about. I.e. He claims to know about Ancient Greece, but fails to mention it was a consortium of Australian aboriginals & Inuits that ran all the polis, and formed the foundations of western Democracy itself. His Patriarchal priviledge has him speaking when he should be silent. We have two ears & one mouth so that we may listen twice as much as we speak!!!

[@billychops1280]

I hope ur joking lmao

[@LivebythecodeVJLEE]

This must be a joke.

[@AoE2Replays]

Lmao, this guy's trollin

[@MyMomSaysImKeen]

@@AoE2Replays "Guy"!?! Did you just misgender me!?! 🐸ReeEeeEee!!! 🐸

[@herbthompson8937]

hahahahaha thanks for this comment! haha

[@DanSam48]

why are you trying to make me listen to a woman?

[@DanSam48]

To those who think I'm needlessly misogynistic, this woman is trying to make it sound significant that there was a political argument for a system that was being attacked politically.

[@DanSam48]

"there is no justification for slavery" she says. I say she left off four words, "in the modern world." It took the industrial revolution to make this statement true.

[@DanSam48]

"Without slavery, there would have been no civil war." No one can make this statement, certainly any civil war would have taken a different form, maybe that's what she means? At the founding of the republic, a potential civil war was expected to be a caused by animus between large and small states, the issue the left often complains about today, indirectly, the electoral college. Slavery became a wedge issue for two different power centers. The Great Compromise, the predicted source of conflict, had given the south the ability to politically dominate the Union out of proportion to their population before the civil war. This caused the industrializing north, using new technology for production, used brute force and a moral pretext to crush a rival and take their money. This is the civil war, not caused by slavery, but greed and ambition for power.

[@tmnumber1]

​@@DanSam48Anything can be justified because justifications are subjective.

[@DanSam48]

"How did they go from close quarter living to hostility decades after the war?" Have you ever heard of reconstruction, lady? Have you ever looked into what happened to millions of people after the war, what the occupation forces of the Union did and allowed to happen? There was a sadistic pleasure white northerners took in rubbing the South's nose in it, it wasnt merely denying them the right to vote and appointing freedman to the Senate or Governors office. There was no law enforcement and many people were interested in using them to get white people to abandon property so it could be taken, carpetbaggers. Your perspective is so narrow, mam.