Sled Katarin & DREAD WOOD ELVES | Kislev vs Wood Elves - Total War Warhammer 3

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[@christianweibrecht6555]

The glorious sight of eternal guard being reminded they are eternally low tier troops

[@fiveforbiting]

The best low boys.

[@Hopesfallout]

@@fiveforbiting The most expensive low boys :D

[@salmonslayer14]

14:30 what a tease, panning away just as that gryphon legion makes contact with a PHAT rear charge.

[@CC-cy8rp]

I was like brooooo lol

[@Kitek94]

From the looks of it, they didn't get a charge order rather just a move near the spear unit (green arrow not red), so we didn't miss much

[@Timo-tm6rj]

they werent charging. he missclicked and gave them a movement order after he told them to charge

[@suskebier4340]

Akshina ambushers still so good, thank god they are not broken anymore i love their models and like seeing em.

[@tominieminen66]

The travesty that was the Shadows of Change DLC kind of made the whole Kislev unappealing to me, especially towards the units it added

[@Weberkooks]

@@tominieminen66kislev is still very unappealing imo. Still OP

[@HatchAngel]

As someone who hasn't followed TW3 slavishly, and mostly watched in the early days of the game, it's so weird to hear "Wood Elves and Kislev are top tier."

[@Matthew-cc4xt]

7:53 oh gawd you slaughtered your own pole-arms with that spell :(

[@Anvilarm07]

That game looked very close at the end. I'm surprised the Wood Elves bailed. Great batrep as always.

[@silvo72]

lets go with santa-rin instead of, uh, what slederin sounds like every time you say it

[@brightonhansford3926]

That's exactly what I heard the first time I had to double back 😅

[@SkylandSumo]

I don’t get it. Is it because it sounds kinda like slytherin?

[@brightonhansford3926]

@@SkylandSumo are you being serious? Cause I'll drop it but I just wanna make sure I'm not being gullible 😅

[@SkylandSumo]

@@brightonhansford3926 give me the timestamp and i’ll just rewatch the vid until i hear whatever it is

[@liamcullen3035]

@@brightonhansford3926Nah I also don’t get it. I’m obviously missing something, but if it’s too rude to drop in a comment, no worries

[@gunnerjensen5998]

I think some zoats in the starting army to guard the way watchers would’ve been interesting.

[@listerineclean343]

Too expensive, the Wild Hunters were the right pick, but they were wasted.

[@desert7868]

Katarin Blastin slavic Limp Bizkit the whole time

[@sandercohen9712]

Keep Slidin'?

[@Arseguardian]

Kislev!!!!!

[@pereponsa7206]

Kislev.

[@lucastardjopawiro3698]

Indeed

[@cookingforgrandpanurgle]

arseguardian is one hell of a name

[@justinseo6471]

The dread sled!

[@FurryCruz]

Damn, that was some good moves I really thought he would Helms Deep that one.

[@BloodyBobJr]

Swiftshiver deep scouts are kinda insane, might need a cost increase. Having same range as old scouts, but double shots + magic damage. They will blenderise anything demonic and will be better then waywatchers for lower armor stuff

[@cinder8926]

Yeah I feel like a range buff isn't exactly the worst thing for them I believe they were only 135 before this boost which is pretty poor for a faction even more archer focused than most and also zero artillery. But going all the way to 180 is maybe a bit much. 360 shooting enough speed to outrun most other infantry and with really nice DPS there is no real point bringing normal ones anymore. I think 150 or 160 would be a bit more reasonable. Would be the roughly the range of peasant archers from Brettonia, which for the greatest archers they can manage shooting 2 arrows the same distance as some farmers given a stick and some string.

[@fendelphi]

Better than the standard version, sure, but they are such a vulnerable unit for their price and their accuracy at longer ranges is not that good(it is worse than any of the Glade Guard variants). For dealing with low armour, I prefer the Hagbane Glade Guards. A fair bit cheaper, still has magic damage and decent AP, and a poison debuff. Deep Wood Scouts are good harassment units if you can stop the opponent from engaging them. Somewhat similar to Waywatchers. A fair bit easier to kill, but also cheaper. Personally, I think the range should just be lowered a bit. 180 range makes little sense for the unit(they are supposed to be lower range than the standard variant), but 155 or 160 could be ok. Increasing their cost would just make them a more inefficient alternative compared to your other options.

[@diomed4570]

Let it go, let it go I am one with the wind and sky P.S Kislev

[@BurgermanForever-nh2vp]

Turin with that unrivaled thumbnail game

[@CptCh4os]

God please rethink that Sledarin thing. It sounds not like what you want it to sound like

[@turinRTS]

agreed

[@CornRecords972]

Man these last couple patches have made the meta SO much more fun to watch.

[@listerineclean343]

6:30 Wild Hunters with AP buff are actually a perfect counter to sled Katarina but they were wasted in this game. Imo that cav trade was the real turning point for this matchup

[@Erebus2075]

would love to see elves, but especially wood elves, ranged units/archers accuracy buffed extremely, so almost every arrow hit its targets, and their arrows projectile move at double speed. would show their expertice and craftmanship, and make them much more viable ^^

[@zsdmrtzmrde]

I can't watch until after work but the thumbnail is making me want to risk it all. Also, glorious WE action.

[@kylarstern7550]

Slederin caught me offguard... I was shaving myself in the morning, I literaly cut myself because I was chuckling so hard.... it was only the times after that that I realized slederine sounds NSWF-ish... glorious cast :)

[@alexandregamb]

Great battle again. Thanks for the video. If you would go for some Tomb king at some point it would be really nice.

[@Stea1thkill0117]

Are Treekin any good atm? Feel like having one or two might be decent in this matchup with their sustainability against the none ap shooting and armoured kossar front line.

[@listerineclean343]

They could be good but FWIW their model size will make them easier to get shot by gunpowder units when engaged. They’re also a very good target for Grom, but maybe resilient enough to tank the shots without losing value?

[@Stea1thkill0117]

@@listerineclean343 My thought process is that they might be very resilient against the non-ap Kossar gunpowder from Kislev, seeing as there's very little reason to bring streltsi in this matchup. Grom would be a huge problem tho. I don't know how good treekin are in this patch in terms of the melee grind either.

[@Erebus2075]

1:29 the hell, no bears.. i smell a fake :P

[@GodIsMyRudder]

420th liked on my birthday, thanks for the great match.

[@agetoki7557]

Them adding an outfit reward for beating Raven on hard mode finally motivated me to beat her on hard.

[@AnRaksha]

I swear you’re just saying sluterine now, not even trying lol ;P. Can’t believe you do the tzarina dirty like that. XD

[@liamcullen3035]

Is THAT what people are hearing?? Lol what’s the matter with you all? 😂

[@AnRaksha]

@@liamcullen3035 ain't the first time, he pointed it out himself last SFT stream XD

[@liamcullen3035]

@@AnRaksha Lol fair enough! Hahaha 🤣

[@niconilo97]

Poor wood elfe got absolutely smash, some changes on their build should do the trick tho

[@listerineclean343]

Personally I think their build was fine but losing Wild Hunters in that awful trade left Katarina free to wreak havoc. If it weren’t for that early unit loss, the AP buffs + anti large would’ve been enough to devour Kislev mobility

[@ottovonbismark1872]

Love the content but wanted to ask why Land Battle mode (classic 1v1 i guess) isn't shown that much or at all?

[@turinRTS]

Soon!

[@sandercohen9712]

because conquest is superior

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

One of the issues British people have with American English is that they pronounce ds and ts the same way if it's not at the start of the word. That is definitely the case here 😂

[@aidenhodge5569]

Surprises they still havent brought sled katarin back in line yet

[@Daggroth]

love sled

[@Erebus2075]

i think kislev would be balanced if the calibration distance was lowered and spread, effectively lower accuracy. so overall they wouldn't be so precise and hit so hard. as example little grom here hits so well, if other cannons had such good hit rate we might see lots off artillary.. maybe just make other artillary and archers as precise as kislev xD

[@fendelphi]

The difference is that most other cannons have multiple cannons and dont rely on a single shot to earn value. And the price difference. Little Grom is 1400, while an Empire Great Cannon battery(4 cannons) is only 800.

[@chronic6428]

Exactly, little from is nice but it's a very expensive piece.

[@kkkk2916]

Why can’t the kislev old world models come out sooner😢

[@PedroRodrigues-je6xp]

Sled-erin = slytherin, cat is snake confirmed?

[@captaincoldy1192]

Ye Kislev in the ban list still Strong as always

[@Nickelback8469]

Would Kossars with spears be better than Kislevite warriors? Unless they bring Treekin or a Treeman their AP doesn't seem as useful as having some extra bows

[@Make_Solstiem_Great_Again]

1:13 I thought you said Slut-arin for a second, lol

[@CoolioJulio101]

Seeing all the melkoths go down this game was really gross. Can't imagine playing MP when spell spam is this frequent.

[@saintblackwater7213]

Ditto, I groaned every time I saw it pop. How tf is the winds of magic pool that big?

[@CoolioJulio101]

@saintblackwater7213 it was less the winds, and just how quick it was spammed. That second griffin legion was hit twice in like 30 seconds. That's just not even fun.

[@iwbd794]

Yeah, these point and click spells should be very cost inefficient. They require absolutely 0 skill.

[@fcon2123]

I roll my eyes every time I see a death caster on the field. Get to see that purple skeleton hand nuke the enemy lord the whooooooooole match. Yawn.

[@reesehadeka9978]

I really think magic needs a rework or something. It’s pretty oppressive in some cases.

[@flyingbanza]

Turin pls get the mod that turns Katarin's horse sled, Into a snow leopard sled. WAY cooler and lore accurate iirc.

[@phoenixblaze5491]

Im going to guess kislev wins before i watch this

[@ZeriocTheTank]

Shortly after the patch dropped I was shocked to see the Asrai with such a high win rate, but I figured things were still early & they'll drop down soon. Strange how one of the so called weakest factions in the game is suddenly performing so well. Were the buffs that impactful, or did people just figure out how to play them properly. If it's the latter then please teach me lol.

[@breslian0996]

Why do you call the other player 'Cerkia' when in every video I've seen them in their name is 'Nerexa'😅

[@fendelphi]

Well, his name is not Palpatine either...

[@andyw.1164]

The sled animations are so shitty. Grom and other chariot lords are borderline jank but sleds are so bad

[@gordok167]

waywatchers are such a bad unit. so easy to kill and so hard to get value

[@jaredkronk4614]

Two least favorite factions. I guess I hate Wood Elves slightly less

[@oldtoby4062]

Wood elves are the best 🌲

[@mikerodrigues9822]

If your wood cant get hard, it is not our fault.

[@darumanu9276]

I feel like CA is overdoing it with the kislev nerfs...

[@turinRTS]

Not at all, they are way more fair, and still top 3 faction.

[@xPureAndTheTaintedx]

If anything they went lighter on nerfs than they usually would.

[@rubric-eo5yj]

nope,if anything there was barely any nerfs to kislev this patch

[@cookingforgrandpanurgle]

i feel that more nerfs to more units on the kislev roster but then having the nerfs on each unit be not so strong would be better but that doesnt mean kislev got overnerfed

[@listerineclean343]

@@cookingforgrandpanurgleI personally disagree, WH3 rosters can often be balanced or unbalanced by a single unit because of how the meta is shaped by gold efficiency, soul grinders for instance. Slightly nerfing every aspect of a faction will only make their overall gold efficiency slightly worse, their OP units will remain OP and their subpar units will remain subpar, that’s not really the approach I’d like CA to take, IMHO.