"SLEEP TOKEN and SPIRITBOX are not good."

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Come hang out on my Discord! discord.gg/9GbTq4d8Pe

[@elqquiereser]

Excuse my stupid question, it's a philosophical one; can you tell me how do you feel about vomit the soul's apostles of inexpression album? Because even if is band 5002 of brutal death metal I still think they're awesome or more, I understood your opinion, this is not hate or promotion, It's just my take of saying we have to stay exploring for this gems in metal, what do you think?

[@Grimeyhoob]

Pitting women against each other is not unique to women, it also happens with men in sports and music and films. I think the problem is people always have to introduce an element of competition into everything, even in something as subjective as music.

[@GeekFurious]

I've been in the metal community for over 30 years and on the Internet about as long... and if there is one thing I can count on is that if the "metal community" says a metal band either isn't metal or isn't good, or both, then that metal band is going to BLOW UP and become a leader in the genre.

[@raulfigueroa588]

This is very accurate, most of my favorite heavy bands fall into this category. The one you can’t quite but your finger on tend to be some of my favorites

[@dudewhy6953]

And a year later they will release an ignorantly heavy record that may not be #1, but it’ll be extremely high on the charts.

[@GeekFurious]

@ghostfacekurdkillah4147 HEY EVERYONE! IT'S THE TRENDSETTER!

[@NXT_LVL]

The most hated is Ghost, and they won a Grammy... guess what, Spiritbox is nominated for a Grammy with Jaded... so is Ghost, again. By that metric alone proves your point and the "Metal Community" just is too uptight, we get it, these newer bands are going to outpace your comfort bands. Irony is majority of the reactions for Silent Planet's Anitmatter should trigger that group hardcore, I mean they went "Cyberpunk"

[@NXT_LVL]

Yep thats why there's been 10 fast n furious movies, 150 million versions of the walking dead, more "Lord of the rings/GoT" takes that you can imagine... Plus the endless supply of Star Wars getting barfed out for Disney+ trends that last for years and make studios Billions of dollars. "neat tricks and novelties" is what successful products have. Thats why so many people quit their day jobs and became Streamers and influencers. @ghostfacekurdkillah4147

[@xLastGambit]

Sleep Token has a few tracks I think are really fucking cool, but a deep dive through their discography told me, not really my thing. I see why people do really like them, tho. It felt fresh to my ears. Spiritbox, however, absolutely slaps, and I LOVE them. I'm very happy they are getting noticed.

[@veenoir1991]

In a weird way that's why I respect sleep token a lot. I fuckin love a lot of their songs. But some literally make me go...meh..lol. and the fact that a band has that capacity is a sign of talent to me

[@RomanChugz]

Feel exactly the same as you both. They have like 6 songs that are incredible and all others are mellow, too pop, slow, dramatic. I still say I am a fan, but in actuality I'm just a partial fan

[@kenbrovost9653]

I find it terrible that we have to be all in or not at all on something to be classified as having a good opinion

[@doseferatu]

​@@RomanChugzhypnosis, ascensionism, the apparition, chokehold, the offering, Atlantic, Granite, the summoning, take me back to eden? Are these the ones u like?

[@ThatShitGood]

Yea exactly, sleep token for me is only a few great songs and others are “not my thing”

[@Magdalena8008s]

Yeah. As someone said in the video. You can not like a thing and still give a band props. Just because you don't like a thing doesn't mean it sucks. It's absurd to say Spiritbox sucks. And absued to say the same for Sleep Token. It's totally fair for you to not like either. But to say they suck tells me exactly what type of person you are.

[@AleisterAuspex]

Sleep token is big gey

[@joeldukes303]

I’m just glad that we know exactly what type of person YOU are now.😂

[@WezBlu]

@@AleisterAuspexwe’re all a little bit gay

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

​@@WezBluin the metal scene I guess it's illegal like how it is in rap.

[@dantredogborsa7048]

Err... but they really suck 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@narwhaljenkem347]

i’ve seen spiritbox live and they definitely do not suck, they were one of the tightest and most energetic bands i’ve ever seen

[@jupieterr]

agreed, i've seen them twice now and every single time the energy they bring is off the roof tbh

[@72dragona]

Totally agree!

[@emobassist]

Yeah i like Spiritbox

[@pewterschmidt23lord99]

yeah saw them at knotfest this year they are amazing

[@wavesinthe5112]

Seen them 3 times. Always a good ass show and some of the most fun I’ve had at a metalcore show

[@NXCRE]

You know before this video.. I was always so embarrassed of my pedestrian taste in music.. but after that therapy session so kindly provided by Finn. I think I’m finally starting to embrace who I truly am. Thank you Finn

[@nu-metalfan2654]

@NXCRE. I’ve noticed that most people, including most music critics have a very basic taste in music. I wished people branched out more with music and look at different genres. Throughout my time searching on KZbin I’ve stumbled across different genres like Symphonic Metal, Goa Trance, Avant Garde Metal, Ambient/Psybient, etc etc. I wished more people branched out.

[@rpmartin8650]

​@@nu-metalfan2654why do you care though? I'm perfectly happy not branching out and listening to what I enjoy and makes me happy.

[@nu-metalfan2654]

@@rpmartin8650 Because you might be missing out on some great stuff if you look, if I didn’t branch out I would’ve missed out on some great stuff.

[@doomincarnate]

​@rpmartin8650 because it encourages the close mindedness that is so common throughout the metal community. And those people are the loudest, most obnoxious people in the scene and actively contributing to the entire death of the genre.

[@FyrFytr998]

I let the butt hurt leave my body and pooped myself. Thanks Finn.

[@gerardcosloy6946]

I went to highschool in Victoria BC with Courtney from Spiritbox. She used to play in a band called Unicron with her brother Jackson before she got discovered by Iwrestledabearonce. My first band played our first show with Unicron for their first show. Mike used to play in a band called Fall In Archaea way way long ago. I used to work at the hospital with his mom. Both of them are incredibly talented, but I have to say I'm more than a little surprised by the level of success they've had. Aside from Nelly Furtado and Steve Nash, Victoria is not really all that well known for turning out huge success stories. Courtney was always very polite and kind, I really liked her a lot. Our bands did a lot of shows together back in the day. Mike I didn't know that well but he played in a fairly generic chug chug breakdown mathcore band. Crazy guitar player, just not that original. Good for both of them.

[@tetrahydraa]

Wait, what!? I have yet to enjoy anything I have heard from Spiritbox but knowing they are from the same rock I am... I need to give them another shot now!!!!!!

[@gerardcosloy6946]

@@tetrahydraa Yeah dude they're from the Island. I have no idea at all if they still LIVE there, they probably moved to LA like every other Canadian who makes it big... so yannow. But once upon a time they were in local bands playing around Victoria just like anybody else. Courtney's band Unicron started off a lot like RATM, her brother Jackson used to use a wammy pedal a lot, and then they basically became Iwrestledabearonce, which I think is a big part of how Courtney fit the bill for that band. Plus of course, a lot of talent and sheer dumb luck. Bill Crook used to play in a band called A Texbook Tragedy from Vancouver too. Also a band called Living With Lions. Textbook was way better than anything Spiritbox has done by a mile. But I've never been into the colour by numbers Djent thing so my opinion stops there.

[@tetrahydraa]

@@gerardcosloy6946 THAT IS WILD. I used to go to their shows as a teenager. Courtney would literally get off the stage and start pushing people to make a mosh pit happen. I can’t believe I never put two and two together!!!

[@gerardcosloy6946]

@@tetrahydraa You and I were probably at a lot of the same shows. Small world.

[@fackya2267]

The amount of disrespect...Fall in archaea was not generic and much better than spiritbox!

[@The_Knight_Mayor]

You can not help what music speaks to your soul, nor should you be ashamed of what makes you groove and move. All music is for everyone!

[@kylelopez7631]

Amen.

[@sexycenturion7074]

Yeah, I keep listening to Fear Factory's Slave Labor, Kreators Paranoia, Soulfly's Babylon and Spiritboxes Silk in the Strings they are some of my favourite songs.

[@Gavino-ki1cc]

Very well said 👏

[@tinfoilhatoverlord]

Basement house party shows were wild as fuck during the MySpace Deathcore era. Lots of broken staircase railings and holes in the basement walls.

[@artaxAF]

Finn, I appreciate your response. I have taken what you said to heart, released the butthurt, and am ready to move forward as a new person. Thank you for helping me grow.

[@VYMQGSOH]

I barely enjoy Sleep Token's music, but Take Me Back To Eden is simply a unique masterpiece. I've never heard a single song amongst thousands of songs that sounds anything like it.

[@kylepetruzziello3321]

you don't listen to much music then lol

[@tiggetty]

Conflating being unique with being good is the hallmark of a person with limited experience.

[@symptomofsouls]

Take Me Back to Eden was terrible. Which is a shame because there were good ideas on the album (musically not lyrically, the lyrics were god awful), just executed in the most obnoxious, grating way humanly possible. Same reason why I hate the Dali Thundering Concept

[@Lizardkingmediaproductions]

I like it too but I feel like they’re ripping off Sam Smith and Maroon 5 with their pop stuff mixed in with atmospheric metal.

[@kylepetruzziello3321]

@@Lizardkingmediaproductions yeah it’s not original material at all

[@TheFallen292]

I wish I could go back to the days subgenres didnt matter so much to me. It’s something that’s become imbedded into my brain and now I can’t get it out.

[@parisite99]

The Freudian slip where he called the music industry the mucus industry. 😂 You weren’t wrong my guy!

[@dynamicphotography_]

I love when Glassjaw gets mentioned on this channel.

[@DeadTempoPromotions]

Hot take: the non-heavy Spiritbox tracks are vastly superior to their heavy stuff. Their heavy stuff is boring but like mentioned, Rotoscope is crazy good and all the lighter stuff is super good

[@loganwelty7094]

Hard agree

[@JoinMeInDeathBaby]

Room teperature take

[@tylera86]

Yeah, softer stuff is underrated I think. That said, Rule of Nines might be their best “hard” song.

[@Dogfathergrooming]

Agreed, strange world is my fav song

[@RipleyE-we1hj]

Eternal Blue song AND album were #1 on my Spotify wrap year end in 2021. I just checked...😅 My top 5 songs from that album were Eternal Blue, The Summit, Sun Killer, Secret Garden and Silk In The Strings. Also, Rotoscope was my #1 song of last year

[@brodij619]

The craziest thing that happened at a concert was a guy at this year's knotfest in Australia he climbed the speaker towers and they had to stop the show to get him down

[@katangel199207]

Was that iv in sleep token?

[@LeSeanGrimes]

I have the unfortunate situation of hating on Sleep Token because I didn't chose to listen to them and having my wife spam the songs Alkaline and the Summoning like 500 times. I can't listen to songs that many times in a row. If it was just that it would be one thing but I had a coworker who used to listen to exclusively Imagine Dragons for hours on end and I understand the comps between the two with the way they both sing. I think my body just has a visceral reaction now to that throaty talk singing.

[@ackyducc5040]

The thing that annoys me the most is that a lot of metalheads seem to just forget that they can simply ignore music they don't like. You think that Slipknot is boring and too mainstream? Then don't listen to them, you don't have to dedicate your entire life to hating on them. Your life is not at all worse by a band you don't like being out there.

[@-SayWhatAgainMF-]

Let’s put it this way. Metalheads with jobs, lives, families, friends etc don’t spend a bunch of time obsessing over bands they hate.

[@mistersudz102]

My old “non metal listening to” roommate used to refer to In Flames as screamo and it would drive me nuts. 😂

[@JoinMeInDeathBaby]

Based roommate

[@doseferatu]

My coworker calls all metal "screamo" and it makes me cringe every time

[@Strings-jg2to]

I use to work with a guy who hated all music that was old. He only liked new music. Metal preferably. I realized he liked bands who wore masks. I then realized (oh this guy is suppose to be edgy). He was a singer of a band. He wasn't about the music at all. He was about the image. Douchey

[@KLplaya]

Took me while to get into Sleep Token, thought the vocals and the all over the place genre bending was a bit much but they've grown on me like crazy. Musically theyre fantastic, especially the drummer.

[@justinschroeder5694]

Your YT channel is certainly NOT the worst of all time. Your channel is the most sincere and honest of the music reaction channels I have been exposed to. Love listening to your opinions and reactions even if I don't always agree. It's enlightening and true. Keep it up.

[@tystunes569]

I’m kinda surprised by the Paramore vs. No Doubt take. I also think that Paramore hasn’t really released a bad or even a not good album. They’re all very listenable and catchy with great lyrics, hooks, and songwriting.

[@-ix4yj]

I don't think this is a "vs" type of video 😅

[@PhilippeArantesTina]

I mean… good or not there’s a lot of people excited about them so they are doing something right.

[@mommyjeans9483]

Blink 182 is my favorite country band.

[@megacatsupreme466]

Same, partner. 🤠

[@future_elevator_music]

It’s not that they’re not good, it’s just that I personally don’t like them. And that’s the true meaning of Christmas

[@Mayor912]

I swear to god, this is why rock and metal will die.

[@AshToneAudio]

💯. Rock and especially metal is filled with biggest group of insecure, sensitive and self centered "musicians" and these descriptors are where the self sabotage lies.

[@AshToneAudio]

Ironically it's thise things that also make the lyrics what they are too. I deal with musicians in metal every day as a producer. What I see in musician behavior and then reaction/feedback/comment behavior and its just sad.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

It's already died and came back many times yet people like you still crying and coping about it.

[@nu-metalfan2654]

@Mayor912. Rock has been dead for almost 14 years now, what killed Rock was the hate Nickelback and the Butt Rock/Post Grunge bands got by music critics in the second half of the 00’s.

[@aliasfakename2267]

​@@nu-metalfan2654deservedly so

[@MidWanker-Minis]

Ive never heard of Paramore let alone heard of anyone compare ‘women’ singers to them. Perhaps it’s because I live in the U.K. Finn is not a full time wokey. But he never misses a chance to ‘muh sexism’.

[@thefitnerd5116]

Okay, I am now realizing these are two different bands. For whatever reason reason, whenever I heard Sleep Token, I would think Spiritbox, or if I heard Spiritbox, my brain would think Sleep Token. From that, my brain fused both of them into just being one band, and now I can have clarity that they are not the same band. Lol

[@jakeoutrider7644]

i had the same thing happen!

[@thefitnerd5116]

@@jakeoutrider7644 okay, thank God.

[@Owlr4ider]

When people say 'gimmick bands' they don't mean bands that happen to use a gimmick, like say Iron Maiden and Eddie, but rather bands that don't really have anything to offer besides their gimmick. Basically if you take the gimmick away is there enough substance left and is it any good? Take Eddie away and Iron Maiden is still Iron Maiden. Take Slipknot's personas away and they still have their music, which is of varying quality but there's definitely enough substance in there. Take Sleep Token's gimmick away however and what do you have left...?

[@Rose-From-the-Dead]

I'm a lifelong metal fan and the theatrics and visual aspects are one of my favorite things about metal. Most of my favorite bands are very theatrical- Cradle of Filth, GWAR, Arcturus, Finntroll, Nightwish, etc... Even though I'm American, the whole core and emo sides of metal were never my thing aside from some select bands, but I appreciate the aesthetics

[@FlyboyHelosim]

I think a lot of people like the theatrics which is probably why Nu Metal became so popular, as many of those bands wore make-up/masks/costumes/had an image/etc.

[@lethybridtheorygolucastheo2191]

Same although I live in Australia despite me liking Metalcore

[@ohboyhowdy1373]

Deftones are beyond phenomenal. Sleep Token and Spiritbox are sweet.

[@IanFitty]

Gimmicks can be super fun and honestly keep the genre humble and fun. Without them I get the vibe the scene would take itself too seriously. Sometimes I want heavy but I don’t want it to be super deep, in those cases I’ll throw ECB or babymetal into the shuffle. ECB was one of the most fun crowds I’ve been in at a show too.

[@TendyDefendy]

Sometimes gimmicks can also be innovative. Electric Callboy isn't the first band to combine electronic music with metalcore, but they definitely have the best execution of it. Combining elements from different genres is literally how nu metal was created, so it's fair to say that a "gimmick" like that can still be innovative.

[@kylelopez7631]

The gimmick is why I liked ECB so much. They seem so fucking cool and like they don't take themselves too seriously. Just watch their music videos for proof of that.

[@DragonKnightX12]

@@kylelopez7631 Or their interviews. Their just some chill dudes that want have fun and party.

[@Theplaystands]

It's not just Metal fans tho lol it's anyone that is really into music. They all get pissed if you misgenre an artist or band 😂 it's a music nerd thing

[@CoverBrazilian]

Idk man, I’ve never been into gimmicky bands, just bands that sound good. Linkin Park is my all time favorite band, and they’re just normal looking dudes making a very broad range of different types of music. Bring Me The Horizon (talk shit idc) is my current favorite band, and while their music videos are sort of gimmicky, live they’ve always just been normal dudes making good music. No specific gimmicky they’re known for. Tbh I’ve never really liked gimmicky bands. Slipknot I’ve never been a huge fan of, only truly liking two of their songs.

[@zachsmith1634]

“Metal fans are into things like pro wrestling and horror movies” is probably the truest statement I’ve ever heard lol 😂

[@gx1tar1er]

metal fans and wrestling fans are really similar lol like a parallel. Coming from someone who is a metal fan and once a wrestling fan.

[@ChristopherJames1993]

​@@gx1tar1era lot of that nowadays is cause of Triple H and The Undertaker using metal songs. And a whole load of saliva songs as well.

[@gregoryl.levitre9759]

Twisted Sister is not metal. They are hard rock.

[@Gavinzevrod]

This is why finn will never grow, he’s too worried about the haters and being hated on instead of making good & new content.

[@tjmanning]

Oh god the boombox test… I was listening to Brand New at work one day. My boss strolls by and goes “Oh I figured you were in to that metal music stuff”. 😂

[@EncoreASMR]

Brand New a metal band?! 😂😂😂 Normies, not even once

[@emobassist]

Brand new is awful apart from a couple decent ones

[@tjmanning]

⁠​⁠@@emobassistJesse really has a way of speaking about being a piece of shit. and as a piece of shit myself, I connect with his self loathing.

[@emobassist]

@@tjmanning i actually do play bass and i can say tommy gun is a joy to play i like sic transit gloria and the quiet things no one ever knows is underrated imo

[@LuckyPkerz]

9:00 Finn, you DO understand. People who listen to heavy music are typically outcasts and grew up as such, looking for anything to attach their identity to. So when you get their favorite genre wrong, they look at it like you're misrepresenting their identity, their "tribe" if you will

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

This is it

[@churchc1ty233]

I can't stand Sleep Token cuz of the meat riders, Sleep Token are talented guys and all, but the lyrics are very incelly and I can't stand the whole going from Hozier type balled to a deathcore breakdown out of nowhere thing they do

[@Conservativemanusa]

It's boring asf

[@Guythatlivesaquietlife]

Gonna add some of my spice into the mix cuz why not? 1: Kurt Cobains Influence is more negative than positive, he single handedely ruined everything rock and metal had built up ever since the 70s. His " I don't wanna be a star" mentality compromised a whole generation of younger bands turning them into a lot "fake depressed look at me bands we're just normal guys" that at the end the day has 0 personality, has nothing to say and stands for absolutely nothing. You're not nirvana, it worked because that whole thing was their deal and became that selling point. Don't ever look up to these people, look at how messed up they ended. 2: TikTok did wonders for metal as whole. It added a humane aspect that severely lacked ever since 2010 when metal became more about musicians instead of the experience and the lifestyle . That's why bands like bands sleep token, bad omens are getting some attention, they are humane, they give you an experience and can connect with listeners at a emotional level.

[@DragonKnightX12]

I agree. This why assholes with huge personalities like Corey Taylor and Ronnie Radke are climbing to the top. Because they bring something too the table other than I'm a guy that makes cool music. I will say tho, I think it's unfair to blame it all grunge, because Thrash kind of pushed that image too. That's where all the metal gatekeeping started. Then got the Prog guys that have obnoxious sense of superiority berceuse they only like technical and complex guitar wankery.

[@ripit.3457]

Fully agree on the TikTok take! I can’t agree with the kurt cobain take. not because I disagree, I don’t listen to nirvana enough to really care.

[@Guythatlivesaquietlife]

@@DragonKnightX12 it's not musically it's more about the cultural impact of nirvana

[@nathanglennie]

I saw Paramore last night and they were incredible. Hayley is one of the best front people of the last 20 years hands down

[@midnight-2021]

Pat Benatar was never metal and more rock and pop but her vocals are far more metal than what I hear coming from these so called female fronted metal bands of the 2010s and present. Spiritbox's vocalist can't sing clean vocals period and her screams, lol!

[@adamdestro123]

Sleep Box and Spirittoken.

[@katangel199207]

I dont understand why people have to gate keep music genre's. Just enjoy the music. I love sleep token and they are just a little bit of everything, which makes them unique. They are a very talented group.

[@Fullcollapse1]

Gatekeeping is necessary to classify genres otherwise if you couldn't tell what is what lol. Saying something sucks is an opinion and it's been that way for years and people need to stop being so soft these days getting bent out of shape over opinions. I have my strong opinions with music it's just that but I can care less what other people enjoy but if I wanna listen to a certain genre then that's what I want to hear not what it isn't lol. Pretty simple.

[@williamwadsworth761]

Nekrogolikon is dope, nice to see them getting some love. Just started watching your stuff, have you ever covered post-metal like Pelican, Isis, Russian Circles etc?

[@jimlynch5776]

AFI fan for over 20 years. I still don't know what genre they. What song, what album just depends.

[@maggiedean5691]

Yea. It's hard to tell with them.

[@CODENAMECRISISOFFICIAL]

Ragebait is great and all as a marketing tactic but it won't work forever 💯 don't be 6ix9ine. Just don't man. It's sad.

[@EncoreASMR]

I can't help but find Finn's obsession with making rock music "popular" and "accessible" again a bit odd. Punk, emo and metal fans have niche interests like WWE, motorsports, gaming, geeky stuff and anything people think is weird like snooker. It's about having a "personal touch", hence why cult bands like Brand New, Death, Iron Maiden and Deftones exist. There's very few bands like Metallica, Slipknot and Oasis who truly make it mainstream and become household names. Having a million genres is the result of having that "personal touch", compared to pop and rap, which has less variation. Pop and rap music is very much a business. If a certain art fails just once, the normies move on and said artist will have to move on to another genre like techno, rock or whatever or find a new job.

[@lordfizzz]

Paramore is in general a better band but I like pre pop No Doubt better. (Gwen on Robbin the Hood was so fucking good)

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

12:08 This is what I needed today. Hey look it's okay guys you can put your quirky pitchforks way now.

[@soysauce9296]

Never really understood the Spiritbox hype tbh. I mean, i do (they're a "heavy" band w/ a female vocalist), but aside from a song or two, I just don't think they do anything special or inspiring. People seem to jizz their pants every time they release something tho. Courtney is a legit beast of a screamer, but her cleans are forgettable (never changes her breathy tone & everything is in a low register), and i don't think they would have the compositions to set them apart if they had a dude frontman. I think Sleep Token have officially become overrated in a similar vain as Bad Omens, but they actually do do something different. I still think their 1st album is their best work tho. Vessel really sets them apart, and they cover a lot of stylistic ground, but a lot of their guitar-work has been lackluster the past 2 albums imo.

[@HarakiriRock]

Right on. My first impression of Spiritbox was that they sound like the same generic overproduced stuff we've been flooded with for the past decade+. I don't get the hype. Doesn't mean they're bad musicians, but I'd rather listen to literally anything else.

[@dmphax]

Spiritbox is so damn good!

[@bijou.miszou]

sleep token is hella mid but spiritbox is actually dope idc

[@KesslerMickschGeorgeII]

I don’t get sleep token, but I don’t think they suck. They are definitely Ghost for the numetal generation, but they’re pretty good at it. I’d just rather listen to Deftones. 🤷‍♂️

[@clintbeastwood5116]

Taste in music is subjective. Musical quality isn't. It's perfectly fine not to like certain groups, but to deny their talent is a special level of stupid.

[@RafitoOoO]

Yeah, I used to find The Beatles lame. Nowadays I find them lame geniuses lol.

[@Aleblood]

Quality is dependent on the properties of music that you place higher value on. For example, to a black metaller, shit fidelity = good quality.

[@kasplachproductions6198]

Yeah, quality isn’t truly objective because people’s standards vary. But it still sometimes makes sense to separate personal preference from, say, what you recommend to others or what deserves awards or whatever.

[@williamcozart8158]

I was sure this 1:33 was Avril Levine? Ive been mandela effected!

[@bootipls]

Looks like finn is still butthurt about reddit. P.S. Paramore > No Doubt

[@GriffRunning]

Djent Billie Eilish is insanely accurate

[@xmjd4x703]

Spiritbox and Sleep Token are good. Hands down.

[@hieldjiv]

People who say Sleep Token and Spiritbox sucks are dorks who think that hating popular things makes them cool.

[@raulfigueroa588]

This is 100% accurate

[@itsfrosteyy3112]

sleep token is metal music written for incels lol. i just cant stand the lyrics and vocals

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

4:29 metal people want visual stimulation But when black veil brides does it suddenly it’s “gay” 😂😂😂

[@XvXMONSTERXvX]

This! that's why I'm so surprised ghost is as successful as they are right now. They arent doing anything new but everything theyre doing and getting praised for bands like black veil brides, king diamond, iron maien, etc always got panned for or called lame 'dad metal' or like you said gay now its cool? thats very weird to me that opinion changed so quick or is selective like that. however im happy for ghost and black veil brides. the scene needs more successful acts doing arena tours

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

I never liked Black Veil Brides besides the lead singer having such good looks like he does still till this day, their music was always trash... Just a pretty boy for the fangirls and others.... I think.

[@jaimeribeiro7096]

When i was a kid i went 3 days to ermal island and i saw nickeback get stoned out of the stage. The next day a huge fat guy was swinging a huge katana during dimmu borgir and cut of my friend finger,i got smashed againt the fence and faintet,had to be croud surfed to the nurse. That same day the parkinson guy pissed all over a girl and then said "thats my mom". 😅😅 i think his mom was watching and didnt get wet. That was a festival. ❤ still got one of the tickets. Im 40yo

[@BillBraskyy]

Koe Wetzel, when I was doing my counseling internship at an inpatient rehab center, there was a patient on the male's side who I would talk music with pretty often, and he told me to check out Wetzel (and some other cool country rock artists that I just can't remember the names of right now), I got the band/artist names written on the back of my binder somewhere in my office-oh, Riley Coyote is one of em. I actually have a couple two three of RC's songs on my Viddy Well playlist. Those bands were all good bands imo. They kinda border on crust and gutter punk (some of em, like RC does), because the crust and gutter punk scene is all about marrying punk and rock themes like heartbreak, resentment, drug and alcohol abuse, depression, being broke, unemployed, and traveling. The gutter and crust punks play their folk punk with country and western instruments and influence (like C&W musical influence, melodies, chord progressions, song structure, etc), and some of these Texas-or at least, Southern-based "country rock" artists-or whatever you'd classify them ass; I think of these country-esque bands as more like... Idk, "neo-outlaw" (?) Idk if that's even a sub genre already or not, but they remind me of Hank III (grandson and son of HWS and HWJr respectively), which I see as the pioneer, or at least the best example of "neo-outlaw". Anyway, the gutter/crust/folk punk scene is almost the same type of musical direction as these new country rock (neo-outlaw) artists. The two subgenres are a ven diagram with a lot of overlap. And honestly, I don't really like crust/guttr/folk punk, like the Railyard Ghosts, or whatever they're called, like that whole corner of anarcho-punk, I can't stand it. I much more enjoy the more country side of this newish country rock movement. The songs (and definitely the vocals) are just a hundred times better 😂

[@whatistau]

i think the thrash metal gimmick has always been something medieval and nordic. The long hair and beards are definitely a homage to something medieval or orthodox.

[@brennanc4321]

Metal's early history is so confusing but yeah especially those second wave groups. If you changed their image they'd just be hard rock of the era.

[@karlsimmering460]

Rotoscope by Spiritbox is a banger!!!! And I respect Finn’s opinion, that Sleep Token doesn’t suck, they just aren’t for him… but, If you want to make videos that get views…. That’s your band… haha

[@butterslice1706]

Paramore is way better than No Doubt. Also, Hayley is better looking than Gwen!

[@bootipls]

Absolutely!

[@equanimity92]

SpiritBox seem to want to try something new alot and some fans dont vibe with that. Me personally- I feel like DeathCore-focused SpiritBox is PEAK Spiritbox. like with their 'Cellar Door' and 'Belcarra' tracks which are EPICC. I also think the more metalcore stuff like "Circle With Me' and "Rule Of Nines' are fantastic. Thats what I get from them. Kinda like they are trying to make something for everyone

[@Default78334]

The problem they face is that when you have a woman-fronted band, lots of creepy fans are always looking to be betrayed when you "sell out" or "go pop".

[@breathingunderwater]

What you described about 90s hardcore shows are literally the same environments I first saw bands like Walls of Jericho, E Town Concrete, etc.

[@myth1cal37]

Im a die hard sleep token and spiritbox fan and im so glad i actually watched this video instead of just malded at the title

[@patrickmartinson2656]

You should do a video of your favorite non rock or heavy metal artists and bands

[@Teethm]

Turnstile is Nu-Weezer. They might have been hardcore 10 years ago but not anymore.

[@skilldeadly8888]

Music taste is subjective. It is totally fine to not like something, its another to bash it endlessly and tell people that they shouldn't either or tell people their music tastes suck. Like what you like, just stop telling others what they should and should not listen to.

[@austins.2495]

You’re doing a great job Finn, thanks for all of the content 🙏

[@RanterInShades]

I saw Jelly Roll open for Shinedown last year, and he got a pretty great crowd response. So rock fans accepting him doesn't sound too out of the question.

[@Joemama55122]

Spiritbox are amazing Sleep token are boring and generic

[@claytonmitchell5685]

So much to unpack here. First, people take Finn way more seriously than he takes himself. Lots of unfunny people don’t get the tone of his videos at all. But also, what the hell even is Spiritbox’s “gimmick”? That they have a female screamer? Where is this gimmick that this person speaks of? I’d also say in general an issue in society around anything pop culture is people not being able to differentiate when they don’t like something and when it actually is not good. 99.8% of the time, anything someone thinks is bad is really just not for them, but they have no way of differentiating between the two

[@nu-metalfan2654]

The reason why I hate people that miss genre bands is that it’s cringe. Do you really want to hear someone say “yeah I’ve been listening to that Punk band Metallica”, or “yeah I listen to Rock, I like Twenty One Pilots, Imagine Dragons, The 1975, and Portugal, The Man”. It’s fucking cringe hearing that.

[@hulluporo9067]

So Finn, what genre is Morgan Wallen then? Post-Screamo Deathcore or Brutal Technical Bro-Slam?

[@neolbioldey]

Proto Slamming Cybergrind Drill Adult Contemporary Christian Hard Arena Stadium Blackened Alternative Indie Tropical Trance Electronic Disco Funk R&B Soul Depressive Suicidal West East South North Coast Crunk Pornogore Sludge Doom Rap Punk, actually! Get your genres right before you spit such filth on the internet

[@MSHNKTRL]

Southern WhineCore

[@neolbioldey]

@@MSHNKTRL lmao great. We got that Texan Post-Breakupcore

[@AlwaysAudacity]

I don't need to imagine the butthurt leaving my body. I can hear it.

[@DanCobbs73]

Sleep Token are my favourite band and Spiritbox are another band that I love so yes for me they’re both good but I get that they’re not going to be everyone’s cup of tea. In the end we all like what we like, if we all liked the same thing we’d have nothing to talk about and the world would be a boring place.

[@GordonSlamsay]

Bowling for Soup is my favorite screamo band.

[@robertsylvester3542]

I would say the biggest thing about my music I write which is hardcore and metal is it’s just me. After years of being in an out of bands I decided I would do it myself. Not because I couldn’t work with anyone I clicked with a bunch of people through out my years of playing on stage. And played shotloads of shows. I also do it on board meaning I don’t use a computer other than to transfer my files. So it has to be dead on time and nailed. I used a drum machine lol but it sounds more real than fake other than the standard decay of the drums.

[@coreyw5981]

I think it was Finn who spoke on the whole image gimmick thing before and how its not that exciting to just see some guys on stage with cargo shorts and t shirts. And its true adding an image makes it so much more entertaining for performance wise

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Paramore doesn't even do any heavy screams so that's cringe and funny.

[@liamnissanS2K]

Spiritbox had that one amazing EP and Sleep Token had that one amazing album. They both aren't really progressing how I would've hoped.

[@CountPunk]

I have a feeling that Finn likes to make jokes about others but is butt hurt himself if someone takes a point on him :D

[@CastleChris92]

Mis-genre labeling things is one of my favorite things to do. I love the look on people face when I tell them American Dad is my favorite anime

[@franciscodiaz3028]

So they need to have face tattooes and mumble rap sampling emo songs in the background. Or play some hyperpop and call it spellbinding. I guesd those that cant do, criticize

[@robc0501]

I’m an old metal head NYHC kid from back in the late 80s and I’m into the new music like Polaris, Spiritbox, Landmavrks, Trapped Under Ice

[@antimessiah666]

There’s nothing wrong with liking Spiritbox or Sleep Token or any band that sounds like them. Just don’t call them metal (they aren’t) and don’t get pissy when metalheads, or people who actually like metal, don’t like a non-metal band.

[@robogordon8441]

I remember some guy back in the day saying that Drowning Pool and Disturbed were death metal. And once, I excused myself from a conversation before it became an argument when another "some dude" was saying Megadeth and Iron Maiden were way heavier than Slipknot. At the time, Slipknot had just released their self titled album.

[@renejensen7799]

There are many metal bands i would not put on my playlist, but would love to go see live, likeSpiritbox and Sleep Token would be bands fitting that catagory for me, im picky when it comes to my playlists, and what i listen to, or i listen to entire cataloges from certain bands. but i can see myself go to a live concert with a lot more bands then i got in my headphones usaly.

[@ThePirateCasey]

Great video man! I'm finally off work so I got to watch it right after you uploaded.

[@anaalvarez5485]

I love how you said we shouldn't really be comparing women to each other because it's a thing as old as time ❤

[@JonathanGilmer]

I don't see it as a gimmick, I think, like Alice Cooper and GAWR have stated, it's more of incorporating theatrics. And I think that when a band can pull off combining both theatrics and music, then they're deserving of being on another level.

[@gorailkill99]

But sleep token does suck. Don't lie to yourself