SLIP TEST - Lexus RX 450h vs Lexus RX 200t - hybrid vs petrol -

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4x4 / AWD test on rollers:
Lexus RX 450h AWD (2019) - white
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Lexus RX 200t AWD (2016) - silver
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[@vampyrelycan99]

As much as I like this RX generation, I'm also concerned with the 4WD system's usability and performance. I long knew Toyota has not been doing well with its 4WD systems on CUVs like the RX, so these kinds of results here are kind of expected. Definitely any programming (regarding drive modes and such) needs to be tweaked, and Toyota will need to put more effort and priority on improving that......

[@martinsvensson6884]

It always completely baffles me how its even possible to fail at it. Some priorities must not be straight.. Because even I can tell them the only equation they need to improve it... IF wheelspin THEN increase brake pressure. While not cutting off engine. If there's some hardware not coping with that then replace.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@martinsvensson6884 Is that interesting for you? www.hindawi.com/journals/mpe/2016/3413624/

[@Softroader]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks for this publication.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Softroader Let me know if you have any conclusions 🙂

[@LilDiabloRob]

Just my opinion. The hybrid needs to have the electric motors programmed to be in sync. As far as the gas version, it’s needs to have some sort of MECHANICAL limited slip differential.

[@myslecinaczej8674]

Last year I bought the NX 300h and I was also concerned with it's AWD given numerous reviews with quite negative comments. But what a surprise! In real condition, in winter it just works were well. On the rollers it might not. Moreover, i own a Subaru XV and made some simple comparisons uphill, in snow. The Subaru was on the all season tires, the best ones Cross-climate by Michelin. The Lexus was on a winer tires from Nokian. Too my real surprise the Lexus was seem to work just better and it's AWD is a proactive so once it's sense a slope it's immediately engages the rear, electric axle. You can argue that the all seasons are on the same level as the full winter tires but the Michelin ones are at least very good and much better than some cheap winter ones. Therefore, as long as do not take your Lexus for real off road (who normally does?) it is just a great AWD car. And I do not care if an Audi or Volvo are just better in a test. Test are funny but sometimes too demanding. Cheers.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

I think I mentioned it in some other comments - when all wheels have low traction then these system are OK. When there is major difference between the grip of each wheels - then the problems appear. However - maybe NX has different tuning, I don't know that.

[@gwilli1754]

I was thinking the rollers do an excellent job of what would happen on ice, much more than partial grip.

[@myslecinaczej8674]

The test does represent extreme conditions whereas reality in most cases is not as demanding. I recognize that in rougher terrain my NX would fail miserably but for daily driving, forest path, mild slopes etc, even in winter, it is just fine . Cheers

[@pablomoreno1999]

As i said...hybrid is not good, i was expecting a bit more though, but this proves that with a hybrid, if all wheels don't have at least some resistance (rain, dry dirt or light mud, or light snow with no ice underneath is pretty much useless. Shame such bad programming

[@miguelojera2356]

The programming fell short here. Even the non-hybrid model struggles to distribute power on a wheel that isn't slipping.

[@meeder78]

Toyota has a long history of poorly implemented AWD systems on anything besides their real off-road vehicles.

[@godgirlsguitars]

I knew that toyota hybrid awd systems are bad but on tfl it showed the sienna hybrid awd all 4 wheels were spinning in the snow. But ofcourse it wasn't on rollers.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

They do spin all four wheels when all of them have low resitance (low grip). If grip varies between the wheels - then the problems come.

[@kordaxmint533]

What the hell? Looks like some issue with programming. Probably logic is changed due to hybrid nature.

[@julianhofmann8039]

Wow that's worse than I was expecting...

[@meeder78]

It behaves as expected to me. The only use for the AWD system on the hybrid is that it increases the towing ratings compared to a FWD hybrid. That’s about as useful as it gets.

[@Ahto42]

The Hybrid rear motor does not have the power to push the front wheels from the rollers. Is mitsubishi the same`?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It has 68 hp and 130 Nm, via gearing it should result in almost 1000 Nm on rear axle... I think the newer Outlander PHEV can pass this test.

[@Ahto42]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yes, the numbers on paper are good, but I have not seen a good test result from hybrid with out a driveshaft. But in a real world it is enough.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Ahto42 Peugeot and Mini did good: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXnSlYCEfdV9d5Y kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHjKkpWwor1keaM

[@jg1003]

Zdaje się że podobny zespół napędowy co w RAV4 hybryda którą testowałem na śniegu i pod górę i która to wypadła fatalnie

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Która generacja Rav4?

[@jg1003]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers obecna hybrid auto 4x4 non phev. Potrzebuję 4x4 zatem po prostu przetestowałem kilka różnych. Toyota wypadła najgorzej a testy były na żywym mięsie; zima, śnieg i podkarpackie górki

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@jg1003 Obecna i tak radzi sobie znacznie lepiej niż poprzednia... kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6exkpyOr8mnpK8

[@user-py1qu6rq5d]

Did you try the “hybrid snow” mode?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

I don't think it was equipped with that.

[@tomaszkrawentek1729]

This generation of hybrid RX doesn’t have it unfortunately. Previous one GYL15 did have it and would blow newer one out of the water.

[@toninocars]

No surprises here. Toyota/Lexus hybrids awd are worse than 2wd in real world situations. The independent rear electric motor is weak and has no enough power to propel the car in situations where more torque is needed to move the car one wheel only. If you include fwd hybrid to the test will only fail when front wheels are on rollers but when side by side or cross will pass because the traction control works great and there is only one open differential. You can always test a Corolla hybrid fwd to see 👌👍

[@myslecinaczej8674]

You are saying something which is not true. See my other post under this movie. I bought a Lexus (NX300H) and I own Subaru so I am not biased. Practically speaking Lexus AWD works great, e.g. in a winter conditions. It's worse on the rollers? I do not longer care!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@myslecinaczej8674 I hope that soon we will test the NX. What production year is yours?

[@myslecinaczej8674]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers last model of the previous gen. 2021 year.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@myslecinaczej8674 I'm in contact with a guy from my city who owns 2019 NX, soon we should make a test.

[@myslecinaczej8674]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers In 2019 the AWD in NX 300 h (hybrid) was improved somehow so potentially I am lucky having the latest revision. Still, I am sure that on the roller It will not work great. But somehow it does well in real conditions. Although note that I did not tested it in a way one wheel lost contact with ground. And it matters as you obviously know.

[@zygmuntzarzecki]

co tu sie odjaniepawlilo?

[@Trades46]

I knew for a long time the RX AWD system was shit. No surprise why the feature is barely mentioned or marketed in Lexus own literature.

[@user-hk1dx3yz9c]

Yes, it's FAIL.

[@Eugen-E]

New models on TNGA work better.

[@ns.4651]

It's painful to watch and it is a really pathetic AWD system. Someone should send the clip to Lexus team so it can help them improve the production.

[@1wasinAlpha]

Both fail!!! Failed bad!!!

[@kc0lif]

i pick lexus petrol.

[@subbielover9374]

Why AWD fail ? It's just Lexus as usual. As in every AWD test. Shiny, expensive, not working :) Especially front to back power transfer is horrible.

[@myslecinaczej8674]

Read my other response. In real conditions (no, not hard off road) is just great. And i tested it (Lexus NX 2021 hybrid I own, not RX) against Subaru XV I also own. The Lexus is better car in many areas. You feel the ride quality and the build quality. The XV is really nice fiend with some virtues but the NX is in another league as expected.

[@marfrandema1884]

Looks as if the electric motor doesn't have the power.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Rear electric motor has about 68 hp/130 Nm, via gearing that should result in almost 900 Nm on rear axle.

[@marfrandema1884]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It isn't working then, cause to me it looks the rear motor can't totally move the car by itself. Is there an especific EV mode?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@marfrandema1884 Agree, it's not working properly, Rav4 Hybrid had similar problems. I am not sure if there is EV mode, during the test we used NORMAL.

[@dimekoza]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers there is no gearing on the rear motor. It's directly mounted on the wheels. Nobody uses gears on electric motors due to efficiency. So it's only 130Nm on the rear wheels.

[@scott8919]

@@dimekoza the CR-V Hybrid uses the same mechanical setup as the gas-only versions so Toyota could have gone that route too.

[@trololo4217]

2015+ Subaru or Audi quattro beats Lexus any day.

[@maxshevchenko1801]

Lexus 🤣

[@godgoo7861]

Лексус в плане бездорожья - это позор Тойоты . Бестолковая машина . Позор ..

[@Eugen-E]

GX, LX норм

[@godgoo7861]

@@Eugen-E я о рх последних двух поколений , рх 3 и рх 4 , рх 4 вобще шлак , Тойота Рав 4 тоже , система имитаций у них это просто так , для галочки , на от/бись.

[@Eugen-E]

@@godgoo7861 Последний рав4 нормально едет. Предыдущий да, там был левый 4x4.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Eugen-E kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6exkpyOr8mnpK8

[@Eugen-E]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes, the new one is better than the old.

[@andrej5861]

Nothing new for Toyota.

[@asruz87A]

AWD haha, don't show this video to Subaru owners...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Why?