Sliver Hivelord vs Rankle vs Vial Smasher || Ikra vs Yidris EDH / CMDR game play for Magic

[@KromeDrone]

The fact that Mind's Dilation sat around for as long as it did was a huge oversight.

[@N1GHTH4WK986]

I was so confused why Waste Not was targeted instead. Yes. The guy was about to get a load of resources, but that Mind enchantment will run away with the game (usually) if left unchecked.

[@animeexpresscon]

@@N1GHTH4WK986 And it was a waste not on a player that was Soo far behind already. Its amazing that Dan wasn't able to lock up the game with it out, but that was in part due to the weird board state caused by him grabbing the defender sliver which IMHO was a massive misplay as it squandered his massive lead and gave the sliver player tons of gas to draw more slivers. Yeah, no one saw obliteration coming, but even without the obliteration the sliver deck was still in a good spot.

[@RoxyGotMoxy.]

Ikr? When I played that card I literally became instant arch enemy, normally not even until just the enchantment was gone but until I was DEAD.

[@DiabloTommaso]

People shuold stop looking at cards independently of the circumstances. Yeah waste not is a pain, that said he was so behind you can leave it up for a couple of turns. If Michael became a problem they cuold have easily killed him. Mind dilatation on the other hand is always broken eaven if it can whiff. At the wrost is advantage with other players cards

[@RoxyGotMoxy.]

Sliver Queen: Combo/Tokens deck Sliver Legion: Beatdown Slivers Sliver Overlord: Toolbox/Combo Sliver Hivelord: Resilience/Fairer First Sliver: Shenanigans/Tempo I like how each of the legendary slivers takes the deck in slightly different directions. I mean, of course most sliver decks are going to pack all of them, but it's just cool design and I appreciate it :)

[@DarkEinherjar]

Yes, Rankle's trigger is a single one and all of its effects must resolve before anything else can hit the stack.

[@sammysammyson]

It's worth noting that the OG Eldrazi titans *will* shuffle first since they don't trigger; they replace themselves hitting the yard. Just in case anyone was wondering if they function differently.

[@devthedragon]

@@sammysammyson Incorrect.The OG Titans are worded "When this is put into you graveyard" meaning they are a triggered ability and cannot resolve during another spell or ability. It is why you can exile the graveyard/them in response to deal with them.

[@sammysammyson]

@@devthedragon Am I thinking of the wrong cards? I thought the OG ones had a replacement effect worded "If ~ would be put into a graveyard from anywhere..." and the newer ones had that triggered ability

[@teagobr]

@@sammysammyson Maybe you're thinking blightsteel/darksteel colossi? Both have replacement effects.

[@devthedragon]

@@sammysammyson Five cards in Magic's history replace going to graveyard by shuffling into the library. They are Blightsteel Colossus, Darksteel Colossus, Legacy Weapon, Progenitus, and Nexus of Fate. Each of them also only shuffle themselves back in.

[@pntbller14]

Still blows me away how many miles apart these videos are from the standard unedited gameplay videos so many channels put out there. Very appreciative of all the work you put into these edits and major kudos on creating such an easy to follow and digest format. Other commander games are just too much and drag on putting me to sleep but between the narration and trimming of the fat so to speak these games come out as straight action and it’s really a great viewing experience as result 👍

[@rkbmcb]

Hi! Thanks again for some great content. Couple more rules comments that my quick perusal of the below didn't see anyone point out: 1. If you don't cast a spell with Cascade, it gets put on the bottom of the deck with the other cards. Unless Dan cast Gaze of Granite for 0 - which is totally possible - it shouldn't have gone to his graveyard. 2. Split Second does not allow players to cast spells that they Cascade into if they're still on the stack. So at 15:39, Dan could not have cast his Snapcaster or given his Bribery Flashback.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good to know! Sadly, the deck Dan was playing was borrowed from Trevor so he didn't know the in's and out's of it.

[@evilgeek8417]

You cant cast stuff from cascade with Krosan grip on the stack

[@CorruptionAura]

Came to say this

[@germanyjones2700]

Thanks Andrew miss ya on commander clash. Love the philosophy and power level of your (video’s/channel’s) decks. Powerful but not that win ASAP stuff, while I don’t enjoy the combo I can respect aight and you guys/gals strike a fun balance.

[@MyMindisFreed]

Thanks for keeping up the content coming Muddstah. It means a lot! We are in tough times but you content gives some of us something to look forward to and I am just happy that you keeping up the good work. Thank you!

[@redcar28]

8:30 If I'm not mistaken, shouldn't there have been 4 Dark Deals? 1. Dark Deal original spell 2. Fury Storm original spell 3. Fury Storm Vial Smasher copy 4. Fury Storm Ikra copy

[@MTGMuddstah]

I think you're right!

[@ianjay8170]

Always fun to have a video with slivers!

[@ErikTheRedd1]

Trevor being the only one not mulling to 6 and with a rounded hand felt like he was about to battle a bunch of one legged men in a butt kicking contest

[@MiscFitt]

If I were Michael I'd be pretty upset lol. He was sitting on 1 land for several turns and people were still slamming him nonstop, and the one turn he gets to play the game all of his value is immediately removed on the stack. Fun pod.

[@beltfedweapon9967]

He shouldn’t have kept that hand…

[@DarkEinherjar]

Dan sealed his fate when he didn't get that Bane of Progress in Trevor's graveyard instead of Elijah's Tamiyo. Trading his Mind's Dilation for Doubling Season and both Sol Rings was totally worth it at that point. Also, Dan could've activated Mirror Entity in response to the Obliterate to save his non-sliver creatures from both destruction spells.

[@Isheian]

But the value! It’s essentially three extra cards a turn.

[@DarkEinherjar]

@@Isheian Not when holding on to it causes your opponent to win the game right then and there.

[@DarkEinherjar]

@@binggoesthedinomite Dan had his own copy of Hivelord.

[@kevinhanson9826]

Rules question. At the end with Dack Fayden's emblem, wouldn't the single target cyclonic rift gain control of the tamiyo first and then fail to resolve due to the target being a nonland permanent you control?

[@HakureiIllusion]

Correct.

[@DarkEinherjar]

You're correct. It didn't make too much of a difference, though... the game was in the bag the moment Elijah got the Omniscience emblem.

[@jellymelon6834]

It was an interesting game for sure. Interactive and a lot of back and forth.

[@nikos731]

I have never seen a Pernicius Deed stay that long in a game before!!!

[@torinwilliams4671]

Your videos have been satiating my need for commander since the pandemic, yall are awesome

[@MTGMuddstah]

Glad to hear it!

[@owneyw4374]

Holy hell Elijah went off

[@malloryab]

Seemed like a secret super-friends deck instead of sliver tribal

[@HansHurin]

Missing the picture for Ashnod's Altar for starting hands?

[@liljundy413]

9:47 which you can pay 2, tap and sacrifice it to search for a basic and put onto field tapped

[@lehandroz]

@13:30 Why didn't the Mirror Entity attack? Didn't it have Goad during that round?

[@Slyguy46]

Risky keep for Michael, essentially a one lander.

[@DarkEinherjar]

A lot of people missed the "until your next turn" part of the goad effect... Trevor goaded Dan's creatures the turn before his own, so the moment Trevor untapped, they were no longer goaded. Mirror Entity was NOT forced to attack.

[@newtpondskipper]

As a Sliver fan this made me happy. I've been Archenemy for playing slivers so this impressed the heck out of me.

[@palm0607]

This is by far my favorite....new to commander (wanting to play slivers) first time seeing Mind's Dilation and surprised how long such a vard stayed on the field....but it help Elijah casting his planeswalker and having them bounce back to hand....I like Elijah's play style, I don't like the combo version of slivers, but this build was very interesting

[@Thekapo8]

What happened in 4:39? Michael casted dismember on hivelord and it died? Isn't the hivelord indestructible?

[@hiddenleaf414]

Dismember gives -5/-5. Indestructible creatures still die from any negative toughness effects if their toughness reaches 0.

[@geekmp3]

This was a fantastic game! Great decks all around!

[@jacoblaplante4719]

Those first few turns looked like CEDH countering powerful spells so quickly 😂

[@Closer2Zero]

that Sliver deck was awesome, and as much fun as land destruction is, that card is such a great pick for his deck cause he can pretty much always have his commander ready to keep his board alive. Then that Tamiyo emblem follow was just perfect timing. I LOVe Slivers, so im was so happy to see it go off like that

[@robertbolea4341]

Where was the ashnods altar in michaels hand?

[@thatonescarecrow4692]

Wasn't Dan supposed to swing with Mirror Entity at 12 turn too? Copies yes, even though they had haste, weren't on the field when Disrupt Decorum occurred, but all the rest must've attack Elijah.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Goad only works "until your next turn". Trevor cast Disrupt Decorum just before his turn, so he could mess with Elijah's combat step, but by the time Dan got his turn, the goad effect had already ended.

[@Razorfrost55]

They’re goaded until his next turn, which since he cast it in the middle of the turn before him, the effect would be done

[@MTG_Brewzl]

Well, First thought: ahh nice slivers, again finally. Too sad that he will bite the dust early. Final thought: suprise! Sliver superfriends punched everyone face 🤣😅

[@curtissearle6462]

Oh ya Obliterate super cool 🖓 rest of the video was great tho as always!

[@aidanhavey1959]

Hell yeah, Yidris is always fun to watch

[@Bobthedeckbuilder]

There is no link for the rankle deck in the description

[@Ramschat]

I think at 13:30 Mirror entity was goaded and should have attacked

[@PalPlays]

Who has a playmat of Niambi? I want to hear the story around that.

[@shaetane]

I really don't understand why ANYTIME Muddstah (or anyone) says "Wooded foothills" my brain thinks "Footed woodhills"WHY? He said that ONCE in a video I watched like 6months ago, plz brain stop

[@ouimeta]

Me too man

[@AidanWR]

Elijah should have attacked with the Cloudshredder Sliver at 12:57 because it has haste

[@DarkEinherjar]

It entered the battlefield after the goad spell resolved, so it the goad effect doesn't apply to it.

[@cameronmadison1008]

How was he able to swing with the clone legion copies the turn it was cast? It doesn't give haste and the creatures that it copied don't have haste.

[@ferventalchemist]

That Niambi playmat is sick.

[@chaostrife44]

I think there should have been 4 total dark deals, the original, fury storm, and two commander storm copies since Trevor cast a commander two times.

[@DiabloTommaso]

So many question xD wtf is obliterate doing in a sliver deck?

[@Skydrawill48]

Didn't trevor goad all creatures? Why didn't Mirror Entity attack?

[@DarkEinherjar]

Trevor goaded the creatures the turn before his, so the moment he untapped, the goad effect ended.

[@rhainex5952]

So when a Planeswalker came Into play their counters were doubled because of doubling season right ? Was that how he was able to ult the Planeswalkers ?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Yup!

[@DarkEinherjar]

Yes. Doubling Season was printed at a time when planeswalkers didn't exist as actual cards, and because of its wording, it causes PWs to enter the battlefield with twice the usual amount of loyalty counters (it doesn't double the loyalty gain from their + abilities, though, as these counters are put as the cost, not the effect). For most planeswalkers, this means entering the battlefield ready to ult.

[@awesomeness4325]

What card is it that’s allowing his planeswalkers to enter with that many loyalty counters on them?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Doubling Season

[@keithfilibeck2390]

I think Krosan Grip doesn't allow you to cast any cards with Cascade off it...

[@TCG9777]

Ur right

[@hiddenleaf414]

Wouldn’t there be 4 Dark Deals? 1 from the original cast. 1 from the original Fury Storm. 2 from Trevor casting each of his commanders.

[@adamrawn2063]

SPICY plays in this one...!

[@crovax1375]

@15:08 ...he activates the what now?!!

[@MTGMuddstah]

The Deed for three?

[@lgroh880]

Finally a sliver deck!!!!

[@ivorymantis1026]

Good table, but everyone blew their control so early in the game that it kept certain "kill on sight" cards like Razaketh and Mind's Dilation on the field for much too long.

[@bedwarssweat6205]

I saw that Ikra Vialsmasher in the thumbnail and I clicked faster than a mouse on drugs

[@themtgaccords6030]

Same lol

[@TCG9777]

What???

[@ahoyturtle]

Couldn't Dan have protected his creatures several times by activating Mirror Entity? He had a Sliver Hivelord clone, after all.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Yes, he could.

[@FrancisJamal]

Refering to Micheals Turn 2: why didnt he tap the swamp and then sacrafice it for lake of the dead, so he could play Dreadhorde Invasion?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Having not been present at the filming for this game, my best guess was that he thought Lake of the Dead had the same restriction as the Karoo lands?

[@FrancisJamal]

@@MTGMuddstah Probably, my secont thought was maybe keeping it to discard Razaketh eot to get it back with Reanimate, but he discarded Kozilek, so that was not the case. So worst case, just a possible missplay.

[@stevenbuck4090]

The mirror entity was goaded so should have attacked on the same turn as the other creatures.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Trevor cast it on Elijah's turn. Goad only lasts until the casters next turn, which was Trevor's turn immediately after Elijah's.

[@xDukii]

why is no one attacking after obliterate... wtf

[@Dragonfirexix]

Ok yeah everyone here is pointing stuff out but I'd just like to say... WHAT A GAME HOLY HELL THE CHAOS

[@toastlauncher]

One of the most hateful games ever on the channel, appreciate you posting it.

[@AidanWR]

Man, this is an expensive, but pretty game

[@emctwoo]

The blowing up of waste not instead of minds dialation is triggering me. Micheal was pretty dead anyway, but why not Grip the far scarier thing that gives insane value to a player who has lands??

[@isaoblack987]

We're going to resolve three Dark Deals and you want to leave Waste Not on the field?

[@Moose00019]

Right?! Omg, MD is one of those "kill on sight" cards. First two things here for were Lili and bolas walkers, huge value for doing nothing.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Waste Not was the bigger threat at the moment. As someone else commented, the amount of value Michael could have gained after the three Dark Deals resolved was pretty insane. There was a good chance he could have won with it.

[@Moose00019]

@@isaoblack987 I thought it was just the one deal. My bad

[@frycook813]

Counter point: the person who chose to triple the number of wheels was the same one who destroyed waste not and not minds dilation. He wanted to use his copy spell, I get it, but there is a reason mind’s dilation is 7(I think) mana. Sometimes people get caught up about the use it or lose it feel when a wheel Is on The stack

[@Wizardofexisting]

Man, only a few minutes in, but it looks like the Rankle player is a little outclassed.

[@amethystwyvern]

He kept a risky hand and it didnt pay off

[@Optimator7]

Awesome

[@andresflores1782]

So disappointed in these rankle games. They never do anything.

[@Drazatis]

The deck has a lot of potential but it always seems to fizzle, I personally like him more than Braids.

[@andresflores1782]

@@Drazatis I run rankle reanimation with some discard and it always seems to be extremely oppressive and controls the table quite well. In these videos the player just sits there and does nothing the whole game. Feels bad.

[@inklorde2853]

Agreed my rankle decks is very controlling as well but he made it look foolish ...but if his waste not didn’t get destroyed he would’ve been good after he played dark deal

[@nanoacido5174]

Dan's deck was pretty cool.

[@DarkEinherjar]

The deck was actually Trevor's. Dan borrowed it.

[@coolervogel5603]

I think in this game you can see really well why people hate mass landdestruction... die game went way longer. and took many turns after the obliterate

[@ouimeta]

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.

[@oscarmadera8267]

Slick game

[@thaddeuspaulbrillantes2482]

I type this comment, and pass my turn.

[@Isheian]

On your endstep flutters....

[@vaultdweller1009]

Generic Goblin First!

[@N1GHTH4WK986]

Slivers win!!! Yeeeesssss!!!

[@QjoWilwolf]

Threat assessment was really bad in this game. There were too many wasted opportunities to destroy Mind's Dilation

[@DarkEinherjar]

WORST. OBLITERATE. EVER. What's the point of wiping the board if your indestructible creatures can't attack and your opponent still has an enchantment that lets him cast your spells for free? NEVER cast MLD if you're not sure you'll win immediately afterwards, because this is the result when you don't: a very boring "draw, go" cycle until someone topdecks their way out of it. I don't care that Elijah still won; that Obliterate was awful and ruined the end of what had been a great game up until that point.

[@TCG9777]

Who cares tho

[@ouimeta]

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.

[@adamharm6421]

Man, 4 ad breaks in a 20 min video...

[@TCG9777]

There was? I didn't see a single ad

[@johnkidby7948]

I was rooting for the slivers until it turned out to be Superfriends...

[@CarronBarboza]

I don’t like mass land destruction (note, not targeted) for the very reason seen in this game. Lots of passing and slowing down the game.

[@TCG9777]

Gotta have patience my friend

[@ouimeta]

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.

[@92bagder]

this pod was cutthroat

[@its_chris2323]

Interactive =/= cutthroat

[@Closer2Zero]

Dan, why u bully? why u bully michael :P

[@mtgsus]

That obliterate, ugh.. Just disgusting. Even didn't win him the game straight on. "Draws & Passes" was all I heard for several turns.

[@TCG9777]

But he won. Doesn't matter now.

[@ouimeta]

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.

[@greengandalfziggy1]

Another "3 player game"...*sigh* Why does this happen so often on this channel? Is this playgroup afraid of lands or ramp? Do they constantly keep risky hands?

[@kaedenparten9126]

You sound fun to be around.

[@Coxgix7]

Oh yeah, casting an out of nowhere mass land destruction spell when you're not set to win the game, just to make the game unbearably long and annoying for everyone involved. That sounds fun right?

[@marceloquejinho]

I am usually on the same page as you, but the Sliver player here kind of used it as a Win con It is not the same as playing Armageddon turn four just because you don't have anything else to do (as some guys in my LGS used to do)

[@TCG9777]

Was about to say, did you finish the video? lolz

[@adamrawn2063]

I draw a card and 'pass' on this comment

[@ouimeta]

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.

[@amethystwyvern]

I run overlord but slivers ftw

[@Isheian]

That’s cause hivelord is random and Overlord is toolbox ftw. Need an effect? Three generic and it’s in your hand!

[@TCG9777]

Laughing my ass off with these butthurt MLD comments XD Slow down the game or not, I'm here to cripple you and win!

[@loganl8440]

This game shows why MLD is unpopular.

[@MTGMuddstah]

I don't mind it at all when used properly. I think this is an example of that.

[@loganl8440]

@@MTGMuddstah See and I'm of the complete opposite opinion. After it was cast players didn't do anything for quite a few rounds. It didn't end the game decisively, it dragged it out and was somewhat luck that the casting player pulled it off in the end.

[@Isheian]

Logan L Don’t Carr what anyone says: lucks a part of the game. MLD is a legit strategy, if you don’t like it don’t run it. Otherwise accept it and move on.

[@loganl8440]

@@Isheian I mean, I'm not bashing him for playing it. I'm just saying this instance shows precisely why people don't like it. It can cause the game to slow to a crawl.

[@TCG9777]

I enjoy watching most people scoop to a reset button in my local setting. Yeah it makes the game slow down, but also has it end just as fast XDXD Starting the next pod!

[@luna6315]

lots of mulligans this week

[@thesxex]

seeing my name on screen and hearing you say it gives me anxiety

[@peewee130946]

Easily the worst swan song I’ve ever seen

[@shayneweyker]

Anyone else feel like the sliver deck was substantially more powerful than the rest of the table?

[@Vian888]

Shayne Weyker I think Trevor’s Vial Smasher deck is up there but unsure on the others.

[@TCG9777]

Its Slivers. Instant archenemy tribal XDXD

[@jflanagin3776]

Seeing obliterate cast made me stop watching :( Not cool man...

[@ouimeta]

It counters land ramp, and if the only thing you're doing is draw/go, your turn takes 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes. It's not that bad.