363ci aluminum 5.3 summit stroker finished!

its done! its here! its ready to use, kinda, once i figure out every thing i want to do with it unless something happens to a a current project it will be an easy answer... so, what should we do next with this, i wanna do a bunch of different heads and intakes if possible or just go strait for the turblow?
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[@crw3673]

Working outside your comfort zone, that's how you grow! Best quote of the day.

[@shaunybonny688]

Your humility and not wanting to waste other people’s money or time or reputation speaks volumes.

[@TheCummins1212]

I’ve been waiting to see an actual 363 build and post results

[@lwclark]

I love your impulse, and your ability, to learn and teach at the same time Matt. That’s why I’m here.

[@mrmatt2525able]

The drop in pistons And rod build would be neat

[@camrothor22]

I would be really interested to see this too. Want to see if or when the non re-balanced rotating assembly becomes a problem. Getting the crank re balanced might be worth a little machine shop hassle lol

[@Brianthechamp1]

Please Matt do this build

[@sgtretarthurpegues7402]

@@camrothor22 COMPSTAR LS 5.3 363 STROKER ROTATING ASSEMBLY 9.5:1 CP PISTONS BALANCED

[@Noggles10]

I’m curious how this would compare in both power and efficiency to a stock 6.0 with the same top end setup. Comparing bore vs stroke would be awesome

[@Aseutester]

Indeed, a torque curve comparison would be interesting!

[@hendo337]

I would think it should have stronger tq throughout the front 2/3rds of the rpm band. It might not want to rev as high all things being equal N/A, addong boost would cure any lack of head or cam the long stroke might crave. This sort of combination screams too me pure boost block, stroke to spool quicker, thick walls to handle pressure, quell any lack of stiffness and craving boost to fill the cylinders that aren't filled with big valves acuated buy radical timing and high compression.

[@Noggles10]

hendo337 I can see that as well. I’m thinking daily driver style engine without many mods or boost. Something to get a 6.0 torque but maybe better gas mileage for say a Tahoe or Silverado. I’d love for more power and torque without the trade off of gas mileage or the extra complexity boost brings to the table.

[@hendo337]

@@Noggles10 I have been thinking about converting my LS1 block too 58x with a 6.0 crank, LSA rods and honing too 3.902-3.908" for 347-348ci with a touch extra ring gap and running it behind a 6L90e in a Silverado 2500, Suburban 2500 or Express 2500 with a 3.42 14 bolt. Would be a boost sympathetic, light, fuel efficient fun engine that would be sweet in a multipurpose fun family vehicle. Unless I just make a 383 stroker with it, I like the aluminum 5.3/363 stroker idea, it just stings a bit giving up that 20ci of bore for the same $$.

[@regal105]

Worse. Smaller bore.

[@shitbox7413]

I’ve seen this done iron 5.3’s, make a lot of low speed torque. 👍🏻

[@automatedshenanigans8230]

Was there any added clearance at the bottom of the bores needed to allow the 4.0 inch stroke crank? I’m considering doing the same thing with an L33. Thanks In advance

[@SpecialedSpellcaster]

I've used Summit Racings LS 6.125" rods, pistons, and there Stage 1 camshaft on a customers 5.3. Worked great and a lot more torque. I also used zero gap rings. It was my first LS build The truck had 48,000 miles with 4 cracked pistons, 14 clasped lifters (broken or clasped plunger springs), 1 broken valve spring, 2 bent rods, and not one valve was seating completely. The owner is a 78 year old man who doesn't hot rod anything he drives. Always maintenance at the dealership... l'd say there's a manufacturing issue when his engine was made. Also, his transmission had problems and it was the valve body. GM wouldn't fix any of it.

[@marcuslimbaugh4592]

How much when this happens to me

[@marcuslimbaugh4592]

Where do I bring my truck to you?

[@chipturd55]

So u ripped an old man off on parts he didn't even need

[@chipturd55]

Bravo Skippy u give ppl bad names

[@SpecialedSpellcaster]

@@chipturd55 What are you talking about? Which parts do you think he didn't need?

[@fbanda20]

About time we get to see a quality build that’s not going to self destruct. Although the self destructing stuff is entertaining too.

[@hendo337]

I feel privileged too have witnessed 8F8's 4.8 gut it's self on the first run with Cameron Powers at the wheel at LS Fest last year :)

[@GlobalMediaInc]

Can't Wait! This Is A Wild Project...

[@timothybayliss6680]

I am really curious why. The al 5.3l are a work of art but if they need some work they usually get a good punch or sleeves to go even bigger. How much you paid for this short block plus the cost to machine the bores and the hassle of different pistons makes a factory ls2 block a really inviting option. They cost less than $1500 shipped to your front door and would add 40 cubic inches over this combo. Given you have an entirely new rotating assembly, it seems odd especially given the choices for cylinder heads you get with the bigger bore.

[@nasty3145]

Ive been soo curious of this combo myself. Withiut pushing the walls thin shooting for that 383 combo. Great job!! Thanks for saring it is possible and i love knowing Summit with a phone call can help cordinate a build like that. Awesome

[@BlackandWhitecustoms]

.30 over on a 5.3 is not thin by any means unless you are on an aluminum block

[@ramprider69]

I bored my 5.3 out .020 and bought the forged summit LS pistons. They look and feel pretty good.

[@ramprider69]

How well did the crank fit in the stock block, found out I measured stuff wrong and need a stroker crank. Like what your doing.

[@lorenzohollingshed149]

Do you have a part number for this kit?

[@ramprider69]

I didn't fit it yet, but I have seen them in before. They fit, but not with the stock pan or windage tray.

[@ramprider69]

@lorenzohollingshed149 I pieced my parts together, didn't get the kit. Looking back I should have, but the pistons I could get from .005 to .120 over

[@lorenzohollingshed149]

@@ramprider69 do you have a parts list

[@TurboDog73TX]

I'm sooo looking forward to see this thing getting full on beatdown.. Oh, and as learned from the Public Page on FB, I can attest that soaking nasty engine parts in L.A.'s Totally Awesome will make them mint with minimal effort.

[@1966badnova]

Been following you on and off for years Matt. Keep up the awesome self challenges. I'm glad sponsors are chasing you around. We all know that you are still the Matt we started with. If it's on their nickel ...what the hell. Everyone wins in this case. Again thanks for sharing and keeping the explanations clear and concise.

[@aaronjames11]

Hell yeah man. I bored out a gen 4 lc9 around the same time you did to a 3.81 bore with summit 4032 forged -15cc relief pistons, a K1 4" forged stroker crank and rods, new comp cam hydraulic lifters, thicker push rods, minor head work/cleaning to accommodate slightly oversized manley racing valves with dual springs, a .650 high lift tsp stage 2 truck cam, a 1.8k-2.1k stall truck towing rated torque converter and i gotta so far im really impressed with the difference. This is my first engine build and have kinda relied on youtube and with covid bs I havent had a chance to dyno the truck yet because but even with a basic safe tune and factory injectors and some minor airflow adjustments everything just seems way meaner right out the gate. Cant wait till i get her 100% dialed in all the way! Hope u post your na dyno numbers as they would be a good comparison for me. Like you i think im gonna eventually gap my rings for a pro charger/boost one day but cant complain too much about the stroker na power increase i got right now. Mine is pushing a heavy ass 07 4x4 avy with 37's right now with no problems.

[@christopherryan9864]

Using the summit compression ratio calculator I think you guys are super close. I think it will wind up around 10.5:1 compression, 360 cu in, with 5 over pistons, 4 inch stroke, looks like the block was decked and assuming un-cut 243 or 799 heads going on this with 64.43cc chambers and a ls9 compressed gasket height of 0.055 thickness. This assumes 2cc dished piston by the looks of it. I did a de-stroke 6.2L using factory parts with 10.5:1 compression and now I am interested in copying your new setup using an aluminum 5.3 with the 5 over pistons but using 2cc dome for 11.11:1 compression ratio with decked block and milled heads. Can't wait to see this build!

[@c987long]

Excited to see this get used!

[@chrisstavro4698]

Stock 706 heads will support 500+ hp regardless of displacement. The 360cid stroker will top out around 6200 rpm and larger valves will make incremental improvements. Port the 706.

[@jasonblume2707]

the "drop in project" sounds awesome ... up here in mid NY there are no machine shops that are any good, and the ones that are use really old equipment!!..

[@bartpang]

Thank you for the vids Matt. You are helping me keep my sanity.

[@MonkeyFabGarage]

What is this “cleaning” you speak of?

[@steven44799]

why not just buy some aftermarket rods as they are easy to come by instead of gen4 rods, piston ring gap seems to be a killer followed by rods letting go with too much torque. So aftermarket rods, gap the rings on the stock pistons and throw em back in? Budget built motor vs 1 or 2 big turbos and go for 1000+ wheel.

[@richardscarlett7942]

this!!

[@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions]

Currently, there are no drop in rods for these, it would have to be balanced. And if you're gonna get it balanced, ya might as well replace the pistons.

[@Red2l16v]

The biggest issue is aftermarket rods use brushed floating pins and stock pistons don't have locks. So a stock bore rod/piston motor is the best way to do it. The whole assembly would be much stronger and easier than blowing up a bunch of stock crap.

[@CF-rx7hx]

Are all 5.3 LS blocks the same, even the C code transverse mounted car version? Just the bare block is the question. Can I build a C coded block with truck internals? Love the change of pace here SM... I may do something similar.

[@bartpang]

the LS4 fwd 5.3 has no starter mount, the crank is shorter, timing cover, water pump and accessories are all more compact.

[@joncarlson3014]

this realty hit home, a buddy passed me a 5.3 he had under his bench, that the rockers failed and ate the cam, i really want to stroke it, stick it in my wife's 3rd gen.. ordered the kit and waiting for UPS,, but i also just bought a l83, love to do the same,, can you pass the word to summit, we need a kit, i want toque , not HP, my c10 needs to haul bikes, thanks again

[@jeffgraham48]

Can't wait for future build.

[@justinvanburen8259]

I love anything you do and the info that comes with it!!

[@brandonpanozzo86]

i would like to see what diffrences you get for different sice turbos. Like how much hp per lb of boost lag diffrences how much lag do you negate with ball bearing or billet wheel so on and so forth if you have the means

[@hendo337]

Light weight, mean tq, thick walls...hopefully Summit makes a commerative crate shortblock. Maybe an aluminum or iron 363-383 with 6.125" rods, balanced up, o ring it, add big cam, 706/241/243 w/springs m, TBSS+102mm china dbc and boost 1000whp+ routinely, start working on budget a 80e,8.8 and driveshaft program.

[@Brother2Jis_27s4]

I may have a 5.3 with a cylinder deactivation issue for you. If this customer doesn't fix it then I'm offering scrap value for it. The block is good it just keeps sticking intake lifters on cylinder 4.

[@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions]

GPI makes a drop in piston/rod setup for genV 5.3/6.2 engines. I've always wanted a drop in piston/rod setup for 3.780 and 4.00 stock bore LS engines. And maybe stock bore drop in balanced forged rotators? Hey Summit, nows your chance !!!

[@04yfzkid]

Super stoked to see the outcome! Now from here you might want Jaimie to start reading lol. It’s time to take charge of that ad rev. I’d love to see the difference with china headers before the turbo(s) and there is no reason you should pay for that out of pocket. I’ll gladly click on or click through ads to see that extra bit of info! Keep on keeping on, love all the information you provide.

[@chriskubond6314]

Sloppy Mechanics cleaning parts!!!??? I cant wait to see that! This is gonna be a BEAST of an engine! So much boost!

[@rawntankersley7579]

Meticulous mechanics would be a good name for this build. Waiting patiently to see what this unit puts out, how much boost it will hold. I'm saving up for 4.030 bore stroker for 408. Looks to be around 2k to 2.5 k$. Should last a long time tho. Good work Matt.

[@DSRE535]

I've built a few 383's, 3.905 bore 4" stroke deals, last one made 475rwhp NA in my 06 Silverado 4x4, really good motors but I now realize if you can start with a bigger bore block and stock stroke you can make more power, less bore shrouding, less oil consumption, etc

[@kurrentevent]

You bought a stroker kit?

[@DSRE535]

@@kurrentevent i piece together what I need for whatever engine im building, I’ve never bought a “stroker kit” because i build very specialized engines my own way so i use different parts than most kits come with

[@jbsgarage8260]

Did you balance the rotating assembly or drop it in as it came? I have heard different stories wether it’s ready to go or not.

[@SloppyMechanics]

This was balanced there should be pics of him drilling crank counterweights

[@jessenorman9565]

Was wondering the same thing. Also, do they balance the rods and pistons with the crank or is that not really a necessary step? That’s the bob weight right?

[@jbsgarage8260]

Sloppy Mechanics has anyone tried dropping a set of piston and rods in no balance. I know the weights are very similar to stock pieces

[@steelburnouts6146]

Love to hear this with long tubes in lane ski boat or jet boat something with long periods of wide open throttle

[@gixxernut8021]

You should do a flat plane crank on an ls and see how it comes out!! Was wondering if you have ever done anything with the lt1 I gotta lt1 in an extreme blazer that I wanna get another engine and build on the side for a turbo build but I’d like to do a proven set up that I can put a bunch of miles on?????????????

[@4familyman]

Footed my own bill on a stroker aluminum 5.3 ;) it works. 8.52@162. 3300lbs. 5k street miles too. That was undercammed too. Better cam and intake this year.

[@hendo337]

Is it a 383?

[@4familyman]

hendo337 no, it’s a 363. 4” stroke. 3.80” pistons. (Just a small overbore from the 5.3l 3.78” pistons to make sure everything was straight)

[@LEOhopeful]

If you don't know family man racing's car...go check it out... Drooool

[@hendo337]

I have an LS1 block from my '04 GTO with siezed mains in the bed of my '03 Silverado 2500 rcsb 6L/4L80e with 303k on it that I have been deeply contemplating a 383 build with a 78/75, the trans built, a converter and a spool in the 14 bolt. Was going to have one of my LQ4s freshened, run n/a in the GTO because the T56 and diff can't handle boost. Getting 8s from a small bore aluminum block stroker in an F body is ASTONISHING, awesome work and solid research with results to benefit fellow LS fanatics out here on Struggle Street :)

[@LEOhopeful]

@@hendo337 uhhhh...way more impressive than you think...family man doesn't run 8s in an FBody, he runs 8s in an even heavier platform...a Mitsubushi 3000GT!! I'm kind of disappointed you don't know who he is...

[@pcmcobra]

I went with their pro ls pistons in my ly6 build... (.005 over)should be running in a couple/few months. Interested to see how the pro ls series holds up. They look like quality parts.

[@ls87gbody]

I got the pro ls pistons, rods and crank for my .030 over 6.0 (Ly6) 370ci. flat tops, kept the rods and stroke the same factory sizes. Time will tell how strong and durable the pro ls series are. Just sent my 0821 heads to Texas speed to have them cnc ported and a 5 angle valve job done . Cannot wait to out her together. Can't make up my mind what cam to run!?

[@nickolaswhite4288]

Fancy mechanics, you earned it.

[@Rundown_Racecars]

Nice!! Cant wait to see the finished product

[@irideyamaha1]

Super pumped for the info on this build. Thanks Matt. Have an aluminum 5.3 for my fancy mechanics 350z just waiting to spend the money on bottom end

[@vans1107]

When you run it in N/A form are you going to run a bigger cam and aftermarket intake (fast 92/102 or something similar) or just set it up for how you want it with boost?

[@andycarl1099]

I am doing a 99 6.0 with stock boar, LS pro turbo pistons LS pro rods stock crank 799 heads ported, and polished did them myself We’ll see how it goes

[@Levibetz]

Here's an idea, lots of people say 4 digit LSs really don't last when racing them, so what if you build this to a properly fast street legal race car setup and do drag week with the mustang. I'm thinking like 1500hp realm? A pistons/rods LS putting down those sorts of numbers, consistently on the track and driving to races would be really something to see.

[@derekr1854]

Just picked up a l33 and gonna do a 363. Polluter cam, ported fast 92, cnc ported 799 heads.

[@alexzamora6700]

Heard the lc9 block has a diff cam offset? U need longer or shorter pushrods or something like that? I have one laying in my garage for like 3 years now and haven’t messed with it. I think it’s bs. Why would gm do that?

[@draggoneperformancetv1198]

I pick up their pistons but not the LS pro. It was way cheaper like 300ish the only thing is the wrist pin that comes with it. I had to machine the gen4 rods for it to fit. #sum-17400c piston looks real nice. The oil drain holes are done really nice.

[@spinninsmokeshow]

Been planning to use one of there stoker kits for my next motor for my truck. Interested on your thoughts on this for sure

[@boltonalgeo1568]

Ended up buying the stock bore ls1 domes and 6.125 rods, factory crank. Currently at the machine shop for balancing. I'm really curious how they'll hold up to boost, and in my case, nitrous.

[@digitald5851]

Kudos to Summit for stepping up!

[@anthonyvargas6835]

I would look to speed engineering long tubes, they have a slew of China longtube swap headers. People have had really good results with them. Great buy for the price of under $300ish. Also I just got some next gen 62/62 dbb billet 1.01 a/r dual v band wuhan boys from viren, they have mirrored housings and he believes they will support 1k+ whp. I wont be able to push them that far on my gen 4 rods, but I would be very interested to see where they run out of steam. Goodluck with the build, looking forward to results.

[@brianclark17]

Gettin some haters already hittin the thumbs down! You Must be doing something right!!

[@etftransam]

I pretty much have the same build going on so I'm curious to see what it dyno's... I'm probably going to use a TFS 215 CNC head with a TBSS intake.... I'm curious to see what came you go with... I have a spare cam laying around similar to T-rex specs that I was going to use because it's here

[@shannonsisk]

I agree it would be super cool to throw a set of pistons and rods into a stock motor no machining and see how that works out. Would change the game if it worked with no issues.

[@SloppyMechanics]

Yeah I realllly wanted to do that, then they offered more than that so I was like well shit minus a whale do that

[@derekjones1685]

When are you going to have this combo up and run? I'm ready to see a video of it on the dyno!!

[@Brother2Jis_27s4]

What are the summit rods rated for that you got? They're h beam right? I'm looking forward to seeing you do a build on the other side of the sloppy spectrum, neat, clean, and all new parts.

[@justinl988]

Did you balance the rotating assembly or just dropped it in?

[@justinl988]

Serious question tho lol

[@hoost3056]

Hey Matt, speaking of new and bigger, where is the white pickup? No new updates on the big turbo truck? I miss the sound of the spooly boy😊

[@jeremypeavley1622]

I'm curious about this build bc I have a cast 5.3 block and was considering stroking but like you I don't want to bore more than necessary so what should I consider if looking to run the 4" stroke as far as clearance issues and can I use my 862 casting heads? Thanks in advance I really enjoy your videos my build is going in my obs c1500

[@DGGarage]

I’m really Diggin the exotic 80s music

[@o2boutdoors]

Would love to see how it does naturally aspirated with all the possible combinations you mentioned!

[@bmxdude1995]

Issa lathe matt lol good stuff man ready to see what this actually puts down will definitely be interesting to see how it does in the upper rpm range

[@hiddenman99]

Did u balance the assembly also? What about the bearing clearances? This aint GM anymore

[@helloitsme4139]

Dont change or even look at the cam barrings, stay true to the sloppy👐

[@Turbogto_guy]

I really think you should have drilled the steam ports in the rear. It really really helps on boosted stuff. Those two rear cylinders are the problem child with this engine. O well, maybe next time. I did add it to mine while I was at it. I bet my stock engine would have held in longer had I had them.

[@p9raceway759]

Be fun seeing different intake head combos before turblow

[@butchcassidy5398]

Is that a big block Chevrolet engine with the aluminum heads? next to that sweet stroker behind where you both built the stroker?

[@hunternichols1010]

How much power could you make on this set up? Turbo charged? Could you make 800-1000hp on this set up

[@justinmalbrough3754]

I think it's awesome! What about maybe having Richard holdner do guick engine Dyno N.A.?

[@calebgrant7176]

What crank did you use in this build and the crank that you used will it work with stock 5.3 Pistons

[@bbcorvetteboise]

Speaking of cleaning parts, how did you get that aluminum block looking that good?

[@SloppyMechanics]

He did a number of cleaning things to it, I’m not even sure then painted it silver also!

[@AaronHardinPhoto]

I’d be interested in you slapping a centrifugal supercharger on there. I came by a Vortech V1 for like $700, so you can snag a head unit for pretty reasonable these days. I built my own passenger side mount and have a bracket template if you want it. It was pretty easy, even with just hand tools.

[@jaredfarney675]

😯 a shiny stroker boi! Did not see that coming. Richard Holdner just tested the Summit pro ls stage4. Is this build getting a summit cam, they seem good. 706 heads? Or something else from summit. It's no 4.Gr8t, but I'm really interested in the possibility of this combo. 👌🏻👍🏻

[@Diablo_7212]

Any chance we'll see some 243s or ported 243s on here? Im planning the exact build with ported 243s and a Holley lo-ram. Really wanna see some dyno numbers

[@s10issues84]

So you built a 6.0L?... Well a 6.0 minus 1cube. I am looking forward to hearing how you think it compares with different bore and stroke than a standard 6.0L, all alumimun is cool. I am looking forward to all of this. Thanks Matt

[@davidcunningham00]

thats what Iam wanting to do, I was given a gen 3 325 ls but I do want to upgrade the pistons and rods

[@NPC-gq4nq]

Im currently in machine shop hell with an L92, 418 stroker build. This video is 2 weeks late, damn you Moat Hoople.

[@genuinegarage]

No hate on fancy mechanics. We may learn something new or find a cool combo. I''m just hoping you'll disclose budget and try to remain reasonably disciplined in that sense. I'll be watching for updates!

[@WeldonAutomotive]

Drop on rods and pistons is 11/10 what all sloppy wants to see

[@justplanefred]

How long until Virin has a Denbob "Sloppy Twins" kit?

[@angelovasilikos7980]

This will be a good motor for Richard Holdener to compare in the 5.3 6.0 test. Stock vs mod

[@rafatrill]

Hey matt great video, I got a question I have a 4.8L and looking to install a sloppy stage 2 cam do u know how much lift a stock spring can take? And also what's a budget friendly spring kit?

[@SloppyMechanics]

Ss2 / pac1218

[@rafatrill]

@@SloppyMechanics thanks, God bless

[@hendo337]

Pac 1218s were $125 max last time I bought. Stock LS6/3/7 are $70 there is no need to skimp there.

[@rafatrill]

@@hendo337 sweet do u know the max lift for these springs?

[@hendo337]

@@rafatrill .625 afaik

[@ryanmohr3984]

Awesome. That's the exact same setup I'm planning on doing except thinking of adding 1/2 head studs. Have you ever thought of doing some testing with ticks 1/2 conversion kit??

[@joebonanno285]

Do you have to clearence the block for that big ol cranker?

[@ccooper04]

Why use the dish pistons and not a flat top setup? Just curious.

[@jackstoepfer1494]

This is great! I look forward to what it does NA.

[@derrickvanbeek5831]

I’m always thinking how can I quick drop something in a stock block👍

[@SloppyMechanics]

Yeah that’s why I’m most interested in seeing that it just didn’t work out that way and I figure I would take the opportunity

[@derekjones4305]

Did you ever get the chance to put this motor in a car and dyno or get a chance to take it to the track?

[@hondatech5000]

@engine Build: Cr? H&I? @na dyno: I would love to see a Rich style n/a tune then “add boost”.... heh @wsid: Twin s480s and small kit...

[@chipturd55]

If I stuff the main does it have to be line bored again since studs and bolts clamp differently

[@petejoseph8257]

Those LC9, LH6 and LH8 blocks will bore out way, way more than .005 over, they’ll go out to 3.903, .123” over. We have built a 347 out of one without issue, so a 383ci is possible.

[@petejoseph8257]

Might add, L33 aluminum Gen3 5.3 won’t bore way out.

[@SloppyMechanics]

Yep I know I’m saving it for later, maybe

[@dangerousfreedom4965]

Love it I’ve been thinking about using of their kits to stroke an LS2 that needs a crank anyways

[@OtisFlint]

"machine shop hell" ...aint that the damn truth.

[@klarkqent]

Would love to see this in the 8f8 car

[@TurbineResearch]

what compression ratio did you use ?

[@idriwzrd]

Did Summit provide the music for the time lapse, as well?

[@SloppyMechanics]

Haha that was me

[@jonathanpalahitski9596]

Whats the part numbers for this kit? Will be ordering the same one for my LC9 build