Trying to use Squad's Most Pointless Class

[@somerandomewan]

I love sacrificing a useful role in a squad to shoot a gun that makes the funny pshh pshh noise

[@somerandomewan]

a replying comment for the algorithm

[@slorgs]

on this we are one

[@nedbigby9694]

@@slorgs Like the video. From my bit of nerdom on the topic and playing games featuring the AS VAL, your best use of it is behind enemy lines in close quarters environments like buildings/towns/cities, the other use, as is stated by the name is as a Scout, alongside a proper sniper. Sniper sets up on a good distant location overwatching target area of enemies, you as the scout go in close quarters, relay information to the sniper and/or start causing chaos yourself with guerilla tactics. If you're communicating and working alongside your sniper, you can even heard them into a killzone for your sniper to clean up. Also taking out Logistics with your DMR/Sniper buddy, or taking said logistics vehicles to safely get further behind enemy lines. I would love to see you try out the tactics with the AS VAL.

[@nedbigby9694]

@@slorgs Also I did in fact subscribe.

[@slorgs]

@nedbigby9694 it's an interesting tactic for sure, but I'd say it's near impossible to pull this off. Sniper requires an 8 man squad. I'd have to take two players out of a full infantry squad to run a separate 2 man into heavily contested enemy areas and then somehow not die as the scout. It's a cool idea, in this game, I'd argue completely pointless

[@МаксимСавенко-й3ю]

The most important thing here is that you are playing a support role, which is limited to 3 people, and instead of playing an anti-tank role, you are a guy with an AS-VAL.

[@LynxErgo]

Shit really? It makes it even worse

[@uslph.]

I feel like it'd be better if there was literally any way at all to kill vehicles besides the anti-tank roles. Really sucks that every single support roles besides the anti-tank one's are extremely useless and selfish to pick.

[@Cvrbstomp]

​@@uslph. That's what project reality had, some kits (mostly for insurgents) got anti tank grenades and breachers had c4 that would stick to vehicles if you were stealthy enough

[@chaotickreg7024]

​@@uslph.From a milsim perspective, it makes sense. If your squad is working well together then you'll likely find the perfect amount of anti-tank, you'll figure out how many you need, and everyone will only carry the burden of their own weapon type.

[@Weberkooks]

@@chaotickreg7024 red herring you just said a bunch of stuff that had nothing to do with what he said and didnt address the criticsm at all.

[@PotatoflakeJake]

As val is the only lone wolf class. It only works if you aren't near your team so the enemy has no idea where you are shooting from. It is very powerful if used correctly

[@clockco1362]

fr, i remeber i was pinned down at medium range by an as val once and i had no idea where i was getting shot at from

[@ngonzales3781]

Lone wolfing is useless...

[@itzamobster1138]

But that would entail planning to be alone since you can’t just switch mid life which would be pointless and have zero effect in the game that squad is so again it is useless

[@clockco1362]

@@itzamobster1138 there are times when solo play can work out, specifically when quads/motorcycles are available

[@oddursigurdsson9637]

@@ngonzales3781 sending the scout and engineer to just cause chaos can sometimes really mess up enemy teams. People don't really notice sometimes that they've taken out 40+ tickets by digging radios and damaging enemy vehicles. The suppressor is very effective at making people not know where you are shooting from or how far away you are

[@gravygraves5112]

If I remember correctly, the VAL was designed to be used by special forces as a close range marksman weapon in heavily wooded or urban environments. Basically, it's precise enough that you can reliably hit people size targets center mass out to 200ish meters quietly but you have a giggle switch incase you need to spray down a small cluster of people or things get really shitty.

[@JeremyGluckStuff]

Feels like that class wants the camo net or literally anything else

[@clockco1362]

honestly a camo net would be help it be more balanced

[@abdior6961]

A camo net and claymore type mines would make the kit actually useful, perhaps a rangefinder too

[@Maktheblade]

The 9x39mm round from the Val is "meant" to be be hyper-effective against body armour, at least IRL and in some more ballistically realistic games like modded ArmA. "30 layers of Kevlar at 200 meters...", "At 100 meters it can penetrate 8 mm (0.31 in) of steel or GOST 3 rated body armor, while retaining enough power to inflict damage to a soft target behind it." But who knows how (or even if) OWI have modelled it.

[@3DzEXPLOSION]

As a professional bush rat this gun is peak

[@SideLineZero]

I'd say the scout is best utilized by someone who's gonna a lone wolf, going behind enemy lines, and calling out information for SL's. Since the ASVAL doesn't make a huge sound signature it's great for sneaking around and taking out enemies that happen to come across you

[@thesauceguy1809]

The Val would be more interesting and useful if it had the option for a magnified scope and larger mag for the unmaginified scope variant. The gun should at least have a higher fire rate and be more quiet iirc; there are probably other changes that could be implemented too. Even after factoring in ICO's changes, the Val in particular feels hard to control, so maybe the deviation when shooting could be reduced somewhat. I think a cool idea for the scout as a class would be to allow it to mark targets for the team like a fireteam leader, but it wouldn't need to have a fireteam lead role. Also, any sort of utility that would fit well with the scout class would be nice.

[@josephmontanaro2350]

could have a vss with a pso-1 as an alternative, could even work it so you put both in one squad as a sniper spotter pair

[@thesauceguy1809]

@@josephmontanaro2350 They wouldn't even need a VSS as the VAL can equip magnified scopes.

[@itsericzhou]

Val is a gun used mostly be spetznaz for urban environments that CAN be used at medium range. Ideally you’d use an ak but a val will work. Give the val more base damage. In game it has the same damage stats as an ak74. It’s 9x39ffs. 300 blackout type of round. If they make it have ak damage at med range and like 1 shot body shot at super close range this kit would be useful.

[@kobi399]

The main problem is the val is so inacurate you have to be close enough to where the supressor doesn't do anything but you only get 20rnd so you cant effectively fight in cqb. You move fast and quiet but you only get 7 mags and no ammo so you dont have sustain to go for flanks. If you nontheless sneake behind enemy lines you dont have nades or anything to disrupt the enemies. The kit could be good but its nerfing itself.

[@itsericzhou]

Give it more base damage and give it decent damage drop. It’s 9x39 ffs. It’s roughly equivalent to shooting 300 blackout. Not 5.45. In game it has identical damage stats to the ak74 which is a load of bull. The val was designed to be a cqb menace hence using 9x39

[@lucasl7909]

I cant find anything stating classes/guns effect movement speed or stamina on the wiki or google or quiet steps, is this true?

[@itsericzhou]

@@lucasl7909 nah you have the same speed whether you have an rpg29 or a knife.

[@K_Balu]

They could easily make it more useful by replacing it with the VSS Vintorez, giving it a 30 round mag (Yes those exists), and because its a Vintorez it's gonna have that PSO scope, could be great for stealth sniping on urban maps, where it was designed to perform

[@ValikLetsPlay]

AS Val can also mount the PSO-1-1. The difference between it and the VSS is the stock and the barrel, with the VSS supposedly having a more accurate one and the Val having one for sustained fire

[@P3RF3CTD3ATH]

@@ValikLetsPlay so they're pretty much the same gun but with different parts which are suited for the role they're going to be used for? If you want a CQB stealth gun you go with the AS Val and if you want a discreet urban sniping platform you go with the VSS Vintorez kind of deal?

[@Mr.LeoNov]

​​​@@P3RF3CTD3ATHpretty much, yes. Though AS Val is literally a modernized VSS so it practically can be both an assault rifle and a marksman rifle if you want it to be

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

It may be pointless but I'm ok with people taking it. Forcing someone to play something they don't want to is a quick way to make them combat ineffective, frustrated and prone to leaving. People that are having fun are much more communicative and helpful. And sometimes, they have a plan or strategy that they are really comfortable with and can be very productive- do not assume to know better than everyone else, that's a good lesson as SL. Listen to your squaddies! Be flexible!

[@rawnukles]

lots of wisdom in those words

[@hunterno7704]

Did not expect such wisdom

[@Zenitchik_130]

I thought there was nothing worse than the old recoil in Tarkov... Squad proved to me that there is always room for improvement

[@johnsweeney2906]

Without a doubt the VSS with a PSO-1 would have made much much more sense for this role. And is accurate equipment for real life VDV. 0 clue why they went with the As Val.

[@Mr.LeoNov]

Devs be like: gun look cool. Shoot funi noizes. Class be fun

[@tottuter]

00:28 you asked, what the point of this class is and the answer is: VAL you see

[@clockco1362]

how can you not love that clean ass sight though

[@tobiascibira]

Just give this class 4x scope on the AS-VAL and a C4 charge, even like 2 of them. Boom, suddenly you have an actual useful class.

[@clockco1362]

it should be pointed out that big man slorgs did in fact get second most downs and most confirmed kills in his whole squad (which was a stacked squad as well)

[@000Ares26]

the main problem is that in order for the suppressor to be effective, it needs to be used at a distance, but then you need a magnified optic like a PSO-1 rather than a red dot

[@definelogic4803]

The suppressor is effective if you kill the guys you are shooting at. It’s so other people in the area don’t hear you kill small groups. The kit is meant to lead a squad into OBJs quietly. The problem with that is VOIP on down and VOIP on death. As well as marking enemies on map and a more “Arcady” game feel

[@LyricClock-fo8he]

1:01 ‘big brain power’ And ‘7.62 but dont quote me on that’ 😂

[@Crazy-pl1lo]

Best part is it’s 5.45 lol 😂

[@quadroff]

​@@Crazy-pl1lo it's 9x39

[@thesauceguy1809]

@@Crazy-pl1lo nope lol

[@Crazy-pl1lo]

@@quadroff no the ak74 and ak12 is 5.45 lol the quote is from the SL who doesn’t have a asval

[@quadroff]

@@Crazy-pl1lo bruh yeah, I thought the quote was about the val

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

That lady medic had some BALLS !

[@udkc]

Dude............. did you even ask for their pronouns before misgendering them?

[@Lazzah101]

I personally love the Asval class for my play style in particular, just hunting and camping habs solo, as it is the only suppressed weapon in game currently. You can sit from 100+m away and harass the enemy with them being absolutely clueless

[@megacluckcluck2302]

Omg I did this last night and had a blast on Sumari bala. Unfortunately it’s never better than having another LAT in the squad. Wish there were maybe 2 frag grenades to make the scout class a little less useless. Also the MOA on the val is laughably bad but super fun gun

[@LarsSeprest]

Before the ICO the open sights were pretty legit for close quarters, along with it being hard to hear where the gun is coming from.

[@capofigo]

Before ICO it was only scope because it was very easy to use in cqb. Let's say the truth, the as val was even less useful.

[@asdasd2179]

1:52 "gaz I can hear your deepest thoughts" good one for open mic, gotta remember it

[@33up24]

The problem with this gu is the lack of a proper sight. Ir aint meant to be used as a CQB carbine, rather it is supposed to be used as a flank tool at mid-range, the kind of range the enemy wont have a clue where they getting shot from. I dunno if the decision of not giving it a zoomed sight was a balancing choice or what tho

[@SmokyMcP0t]

Why did they not just give the VAL to the Combat Engineer? That would actually be a good kit.

[@scouter7405]

I like the gun. Through i think it should be re-done into more of a "saboteur" class. Give it a C4 charge and maybe better binos (maybe ones with like 2 stage variable zoom) and that would be nice.

[@ThatNNFG4mma]

slorgs: But squadlead, we're so slow... The AAV on the Marines team: Am I a joke to you?

[@mn1907]

With this class I end every match with 25 kills+ not having muzzle flash in this game is OP. I will argue that marksman is way more useless. Bushes + VSS is guarantee high kill game

[@johnsweeney2906]

Just wish they would add VSS+PSO-1 as a secondary option for the role as it would make it much more useful.

[@ooogah]

dont call my baby pointless...

[@Dirt47]

Im not sure how you dont have millions of subs slorgs. Like damn, its gold

[@dritzdemon2243]

The whole point of the scout role is to not engage, be ahead of your squad or alone on defense just to be a pair of eyes. But if they walk up on you or instantly find the radio. You have the slightest of advantages and can headshot one or two while being undiscovered

[@jesusofbullets]

Not only is it a good lone wolf gun, but 9x39 in close quarters rips and tears.

[@Tyranocyde]

Henki was on the opposite team!

[@KuoIsHere]

Hey I made it in a Slorgs video! My SLing skills were terrible that day tho

[@OhBoy235]

11:45 I know what this class is missing, A silenced Pistol!

[@JP-th8sq]

If they gave the scout class anti personnel mines or just like 3 grenades it would be useful

[@yolandobregashioli6244]

Can be good at times, but it’s difficult to get to a position to use it effectively while not abandoning your Squad.

[@Project_Future]

The VAL is totally useful, but in order to use it effectively you kind of have to not play "squad" and break off far to a flank. If you actually scout properly, you can choose to relay info to the squad lead about enemy actions ahead, or engage the enemy on your own, possibly kill 1 or 2, disrupting the enemies plans and forcing them to react to fire, which takes time even in a video game. All without being seen if you are good.

[@Dirt47]

My day is complete. Slorgs vid ❤

[@niceyzuzu5036]

The AS Val is a great class when you want to make the tradeoff of taking lower range in exchange for lower stopping power

[@captainjonna1034]

you'd think at least for scout class a VSS with PSO scope would be more useful instead of red dot Val and i guess the scout class other than a suppressed rifle would have some other tools available (i don't play squad personally because potato PC)

[@clockco1362]

i honestly love the scope, but tbf i also favor the close range scopes heavily

[@Uaene]

This is such a fun class, just sniping mfs from the bushes

[@zeelastman]

Great urban combat class, lots of fun.

[@golevka]

I welcome anything that irritates my enemy

[@marcosromero1142]

I think scout needs to be replanted as the raiders of the Irregulars or terrorists or jendarme, like a class with lots of granades and powerful cqc weapon

[@puff4313]

The class/gun ain't useless, but Slorg is...

[@ThunderBatRED]

This is AS-VAL slander and I will not sand for it

[@fludblud]

4:55 This was literally what Ukrainian rapid reaction forces said about the Val and Vintorez when they wiped out all the activated GRU cells around Kyiv at the start of the war. The moment the enemy began shooting back the Val and Vintorez essentially became useless against rifles. Past 150-200 metres, bullet drop meant you had to loft your shots to hit your targets and with a muzzle velocity of just 960 fps your rounds were only double the speed of a high powered airsoft gun which meant at extended ranges, an enemy could literally duck out of the way and dodge your bullets if paying attention. Whats worse was the baffles in the suppressor were made from repurposed industrial washers and were inferior to that of purpose made suppressors in the west, so it wasnt even that quiet. They wouldve been better off using conventional SMGs like the MP5.

[@itsericzhou]

It was meant for urban combat by the spetznaz. A counter terror unit. It’s not meant to engage at range although it technically can. Give it more base damage and give it more bullet drop and damage drop off. Easy fux

[@rawnukles]

The Russian fire arms expert on Forgotten Weapons said that they carried a VAL to open the gun fight and an AK74 for when the enemy start shooting back.

[@bikertimmi]

this is a comment for the algorithm

[@bikertimmi]

this gun may be useless but it sure as hell is cool. edit: i actually had some moments where the enemy just wouldnt hear where the shots are coming from, actually making this gun real leathal when played to its strenghts - AND when played solo like a losser

[@slorgs]

you mean solo like a god gamer

[@officerdonut7066]

Algo

[@JohnF0X]

Reminds me of the Old Dutch Breacher Kit with the Surpressed M4. Remember Arctic Lion? man long time ago

[@theknifesong]

Could make sense to sneak around and mark targets for arty and CAS, it is kind of a shame it doesn't have any sapper equipment like a satchel to destroy enemy equipment behind the lines

[@GIboy1990]

The best use of this class is hab hunting. Everytime ive used it ive been successful camping in a hab till my teammates come to help out

[@SHINYREDBULLETS]

The subsonic rounds plus silencer seem to remove peoples' old faithful crutch, "aim for the muzzle flare and noise" - I imagine you could get some dirty flanks and hab wipeouts with good movement, and not having position given away on first encounter would be nice tbh - minisquad with scout, sniper, rifleman/medic, maybe? Only the scout shoots if possible?

[@georgysb]

It's actually a perfect class for flanking on forest maps and FOBs hunting.

[@BOBO-xe6rl]

"We have only one hab" *checks SLs clan tag*

[@Гвардии.флотоводец-х1ж8з]

That's what happens when you take a special forces "class" onto war ._.

[@PeterMüllerr]

they should give the spotter a range finder

[@stephen1107]

this guy did better than he does on average with any class and says it's doo doo

[@burgermano1]

I really enjoy the scout class. I use it to flank and hunt down fobs. If you aren’t in front of the enemy with the scout class you can tear people up. Wish I would have a grenade or c4 tho. Needs more utility

[@DoobySnack]

Toss a scope on it...class fixed

[@thasherm]

I'm surprised you don't have friendly icons displayed as class. It's such a great feature cause you can tell exactly what class player is where on your team

[@rawnukles]

In real life they carry an AK74 to swap to when the enemy starts shooting back. The VAL just an openner to the gun fight

[@dim7239]

I don't actually think it's useless, it's just not effective past 200m. The sweet spot I think is 100-150 meters, where the enemy won't hear the gun fire.

[@fka13angels]

i dont know how it is now but I remember it being too underpowered with damage. This round and gun are literally a war crime

[@tedarcher9120]

This should be available only in a recon squad

[@stephen1107]

4:30 *miss*miss*miss* "Wow, this might actually be the worst gun in the game"

[@Andy_M.S.c]

Lmao

[@PotatoflakeJake]

BRO, AS VAL DENIES THE ENEMY OF YOUR POSITION. IT IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING

[@cptshitters]

His opinions most of the time are just a product of the fact that slorgs is ignorant

[@cptshitters]

oh and clickbait

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

@@cptshitters Bro it's not that deep. You can make the AS VAL work but enemies are gonna figure out where you are anyways. Basic deduction skills and your hidden position is revealed by process of elimination. Sniping with a red dot and slow muzzle velocity is pointless when you can go rifleman with a 4x, grenades and ammo bag. Slorgs doesn't deny it can spit bullets quietly and kill enemies, he just thinks it's pointless to pick Scout when Rifleman exists.

[@BirdKidBeef]

idk i play on servers where all the guns are silenced and they still find your ass

[@BirdKidBeef]

all rifleman classes i mean

[@heyheyhophop]

Most фофан, guys, most фофан!

[@Beebeebeeboo]

This class has only one effective use - camping enemy habs.

[@matthew7106]

If they just threw this into the rifleman role as an alternative to a standard ak74m with 1x optic then itd make more sense

[@ryssa2409]

it'd make more sense if they gave scout.... SCOUTING abilities, like LRF, marks without fireteam or some other shit

[@Dragunov38]

If this had the Original PSO 4x24 -1, this class could be "Fun" and still be useless.

[@ayoitsyayo]

I use it as a flaking class when my team attacks something I go around the side and pick off the enemy from the sides or rear

[@ashtoncomer935]

You can just use a rifleman class with no scope to get the binoculars with the ammo bag even and grenades plus smokes lol

[@udkc]

Seems like it could have a usefull role with at least a 4x or 6x scope though?

[@OriflammeGaming]

it needs a camo net and multiple grenades, or C4. and even then, the rifleman or medic are better AGs for a marksman/sniper.

[@tristanhicks9824]

It needs a PSO

[@marywiza]

I think it hides the flashing of the shots.

[@marywiza]

if so its very useful, because I guide my shots against flashes on the screen XD

[@ChairmanLebron]

Wish the AS VAL class had a singular grenade :(

[@andrii6060]

Killed 3 times through the walls

[@condortime1928]

I usually use the AS VAL during seeding or when I just want to be a rat :]

[@toast_cat2265]

Thank you for speaking fax sir hopefully you get more views

[@bigboi7817]

I like having one. I send them to actually scout. If theyre not a complete idiot they mark up postitions before going rambo

[@leonardo-m2524]

Love this gun from bf2 bad company but man i wish it gets more love in the mods or something

[@JordanG999]

This is why I play modded servers you get cool guns with good kits

[@someshambler5536]

I like my pew pew pssh pssh guns as much as the next guy but the scouts should not be in the same category as AT and autorifle men.

[@channelname5938]

Gleeb snorp glib glop

[@plumpotato5642]

I don’t see any reason for Scout to be a fire support class, it should really be a limited squad role like the Raider.

[@eritrea7412]

2:49 how do u zoom in so far

[@slorgs]

Hax

[@Oboar]

This role and the turkish smg role have to be the most useless roles in the game AS val is a bb gun and the smg is an airsoft gun

[@ra-iesk7240]

Whats ur setup? i want to upgrade my pc thank you

[@sal6695]

For some reason i get the most kills with the val out of all weapons in the game. I especially like it on GE with the PSO scope

[@Crazy-pl1lo]

Bro hasn’t used the Turkey smg class 😂

[@quadroff]

Well at least there's more of a difference between their main rifle and the smg, not to mention the fact that the Jandarma kit at least gets grenades

[@slorgs]

I did think about that class as well as a contender for most useless but the smg did actually get a buff a patch or 2 ago and an smg has a much more clearly defined role than the as val

[@tedarcher9120]

​@@slorgsrecoil on SMGs is still abysmal and damage is dogshit. Only smg that works is the ppsh, and only within 5m

[@osm131]

its a scout first in first out they call in target movement and such

[@johnm8015]

Youre supposed to go Hab hunting and get in the backlines with it.

[@thiefsleef6752]

Is there a reason why you stopped recording vids of project reality?

[@SparrettCrow]

As val should be in the riflemen category

[@Cwrigz]

If that is the most useless class then it is still pretty good! And you cant semi-auto with it either…

[@Anonymous_Man]

A very silent AS VAL with a nice scope in vanilla Squad? Useless? Scopless Mossin Nagant would like to have a word.