SM64 - Bowser in the Fire Sea (with Red Coins) - 1x A Presses

[@Lugmillord]

Bowser's evilest plan - leave a hole around the top of poles that is too big.

[@willycheez7218]

Lugmillord The only person to outsmart Pannenkoek is Bowser...

[@origamiscienceguy6658]

Little did bowser know, that some 12 year old would accidentally foil his plans by sleeping.

[@trentthen642]

@@origamiscienceguy6658 still though, not on N64

[@origamiscienceguy6658]

@@trentthen642 True, but that is coming soon...

[@jamsstats1700]

Well what about SM74 EE? Bowser was really evil there.

[@ericpeterson6520]

When this pole situation is solved and a 0x Any% run is done, someone needs to make a custom N64 controller with a smooth surface where the A button should be just for the occasion.

[@Seltyk]

that'd be funny, but I'd rather have one thing than that N64 controller... a 0x A press 100% run

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

I doubt that a 0x Any% ABC run could be done without TAS.

[@iwersonsch5131]

Why doesn't he use Goomba stairs for that?

[@iwersonsch5131]

Goomba stairs to completely ignore the pole. That would sound reasonable to me.

[@iwersonsch5131]

Sorry, thanks and you should most likely be right.

[@TylerKehne]

For anyone wondering, wire grabs can only be initiated when Mario is in a single jump or double jump state. So the glitchy wire grab (aka pole glitch) can't be initiated without a full A press.

[@pannenkoek2012]

But I thought that without using A, you got a wire grab but just didn't teleport upward.

[@TylerKehne]

Yeah but a jump state has to be initiated with A

[@notchmath9642]

pannenkoek2012 Just commenting here so you see this: One: For the pole, could you clone a goomba remotely using prior HOLP placement to knock you back? You would need hacks to obtain the cap, but... Two: For the mystery goomba, I made a comment, and I want to know why it would not work, as I am sure you tried that already. The comment is under ideas for killing it.

[@notchmath9642]

John Yorson What are you talking about?

[@want-diversecontent3887]

NotchMath For your first question, i'm pretty sure the bob-omb is post-pole.

[@MetaKnight68]

Holy crap, we've come a long way since this. We understand so many more things, like how the "pole" glitch works, and other techniques for grabbing, cloning, and remote releasing. and it still doesn't solve this conundrum wow what the hell nintendo

[@redriders80]

0:33 i cri every tiem

[@theotherjack]

Lord Deivid a

[@origamiscienceguy6658]

CRY NO LONGER!!! THAT A PRESS IS SAVED!!

[@the_lava_wielder6996]

@@origamiscienceguy6658 not for the 100% run, which is done on the japanese version

[@kookyduk1029]

I never noticed until now but that lava looks like spaghetti sauce

[@DebugCat]

you're right

[@ultidude2765]

wait... bowser was in this level? I must have blinked when the fight happened

[@Ash-Omar]

please meet your local doctor

[@Jethro-goro]

Judging by the video description, this took a lot of hard work and dedication. Kudos to you, sir.

[@pannenkoek2012]

Oh it did! With unlimited goomba clones and flame clones at my disposal, I figured there must be _some_ way to use them to avoid the A press! It just took a lot of brainstorming and revisions until I came up with a strategy that actually worked!

[@SilverLining1]

Hey Pannen, for a while I've noticed that the suggestions you receive are mostly formed from the knowledge of your videos, and even then only the ones that those people have seen. Are there any places that provide a general list of useful sm64 glitches that anyone can browse for ideas? For example, if I wanted to research what glitches could be done with lava or what properties it has, where could I look for information?

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

There's a few google docs that you can find in the descriptions of the videos of the ABC Crew

[@Greennoob2]

Well, well, well. What do we have here? “Wii Virtual Console floats round up instead of to the nearest” you say?

[@Volian0]

The platforms move up, they move down. They move in between floating point positions, and have to round to the closest. Wii VC always to 0, so in this case it rounds up (y-pos is less than 0), meaning the platform is slightly higher each cycle due to rounding errors. 260 hours later, those errors are adding up.

[@PlushSM64]

OUTDATED na jk

[@notchmath9642]

+Plush NOOOOOOOOO

[@Colteor7761]

I wish!

[@firstnamelastname8684]

faster strat known as not wasting time was discovered recently

[@want-diversecontent3887]

Plush Can't time be saved by using the upwarp? Sure, it still takes an a press, but it's a time save nonetheless.

[@want-diversecontent3887]

Svenir #EthanWhite

[@Bravidunno]

0:10 Mario is too gud to get his ass burned.

[@iwersonsch5131]

Slidely to good.

[@luginess0]

Here, we see cavemen, trying to figure out man's most difficult question: how can you escape the pole in BitFS? To this day, after the game has been decompiled, and has been dug through, this question remains unsolvable.

[@computercat8694]

-1 a presses might be possible on another star, which would total to 0 A PRESSES!

[@MetaKnight68]

+ComputerCat seems legit

[@bobstevenson3130]

Words cannot describe how much I despise this A press.

[@RealClassixX]

I know only pain.

[@DarkSim64]

Would it be possible to trick the game into "thinking" the key from the first bowser is actually the key from Bitfs?

[@nambona890]

no

[@acat5770]

well, if someone could find a 0x way to skip to BITS, but that seems uncommon

[@Kierio04]

A Cat nobody has even found an unlimited a presses way of skipping bitfs

[@citrus3190]

"Return those stars! My troops need them!" "Fuq u bowzer"

[@maxjones8494]

Why do you stand at that fence with the Goomba clone for so long?

[@Frewition]

This final A press has been saved. But first... You have to build up height for eight days.

[@crinklefry6083]

"This a press will stay forever!" *laughs in squish cancel and bully battery*

[@littleawesomeapple]

I like how this is the first comment in over 3 years.

[@NXeta]

LOL the music at the end is so creepy and the mushroom chasing you

[@joaofzm]

To everyone saying this is outdated, sadly the glitch used to do this 0x can only be done on WiiVC, it's still 1x on the N64, so idk if that really counts,

[@vtmagno23]

It counts, but not on a 120 Star Run, since the Shindou version saves 3 A Presses with Spawning Displacement, while the Wii VC only saves 1

[@MetaKnight68]

If this were to be reduced to 0.5x A presses, and the A button was pressed before the game was turned on, would that A press count? If it doesn't, could that technically be used to collect this in 0 A presses? Of course, this is very hypothetical, but you never know.

[@chlorobyte]

MetaKnight68 Yes, it counts. BECAUSE YOU PRESSED THE A, DUH

[@slowfreq]

+MetaKnight68 you need to press the A button to get off of the pole i believe, so even that loophole wouldn't work. plus if you check the route, there are many other stars that not only don't require the A button, but require it to NOT be held at all to be completed 0x.

[@computercat8694]

+slowfreq You could probably get away with removing the "terminating A press" stars, but you still need BitDW. You might be able to do it without red coins, though.

[@groszak1]

That would be 1 press over an arbitrary number of boot-ups, holding A button all the time. Reducing it to 0.5x would also save an A press in a single 120 star run.

[@iwersonsch5131]

JRB is easier with 0.5x, I think, and some stars are easy enough either way. The question is, what happens if you press A before even starting the game? Could you, in theory, hold the last A press from the 120 star run, or from a run that doesn't count?

[@abstrct84]

Remote lava boost looks so promising...

[@russefarmer]

(OUTDATED)

[@baghead8153]

RussEfarmer I'm suprised pannen hasn't said anything about it

[@russefarmer]

He's most likely waiting until someone has actually made a consistent method and a console verified TAS to say something about it

[@ToadR0XMK]

Well I've heard it was discovered on VC and the 0 A press run when it happens will be done on the Japanese version which I'm not sure whether or not it's possible.

[@groszak1]

You can't do 0.5 a press stars after that because you need pure b press (not a+b kick) to grab bowser.

[@DebugCat]

how did you get here

[@groszak1]

KZbin rolls the dice for me, then I watch it. I may subscribe to found people.

[@xianlucax9343]

You're still able to dive even if you're holding A and I'm pretty sure you can grab Bowser by diving so I think that you can

[@mikesimpson3207]

iirc, the last star needed in a starless run was the Dire Dire Docks to get to this level. This little hallway just likes to ruin TAS'ers fun.

[@CadBrad]

Is there any hope?

[@origamiscienceguy6658]

Yes. It is saved. Dispair no longer, my child.

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

A trick was found that's exclusive to the Wii Virtual Console version, it requires simply sitting and waiting for 3 days (and maybe emulating VC through Dolphin, although this may only work with newer versions of Dolphin) kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3fbe6inaKuFnas

[@homerfunky]

awesome

[@GaehneD]

nice you made it!

[@pannenkoek2012]

Yupp! Now let's go look for more improvements! :D

[@toadbrawler9077]

I keep seeing TAS' where people jump through the floor of the elevator room, and with enough skills could be possible to do without pressing A? I don't know

[@pannenkoek2012]

I've tried that a lot, including tilting the seesaw platform at different angles so I could run at the bottom of the pole from different spots. Unfortunately, not once was I able to execute the pole glitch and instantaneously appear at the top of the pole. I might try it again later though

[@toadbrawler9077]

Correction: That won't work

[@chlorobyte]

pannenkoek2012 I've exactly tried that one too! Seems to only work from the side of the platform. Have you tried using the grinding to make a dive in that direction?

[@elweondelasweas836]

Pannen, there are a new glitch and now you can do it 0x A presses!

[@Gixel_]

cant you use the platforms at the beginning to move in without the pole (theres a glich on the wii vc that when you wait the platforms will move up) EDIT:he already did oops

[@linkthepringlesman3951]

Is it possible to beat BitFS while holding A the whole time? If so, that allows 0.5 A press stars and strats.

[@iwersonsch5131]

Well, if so, this vid would be called "outdated".

[@lioneyebee497]

dude when i try to make clones with bob-ombs,i just get a massive backwards boost,wath am i doing wrong?

[@russefarmer]

That damn pole

[@jongyon7192p]

From power on to starting the new game, I presume 0 A presses are required?

[@bruhhhsmm2615]

+DeRockProject & the Attack of the Really Long Channel Name You can get 70 Stars using just 1 A Press (this is the last A press) and you can get 120 stars with 32 A presses if that's what you are wondering.

[@jongyon7192p]

speedruns Rus oh, no I mean from power on, to creating a new game file. Asking cuz I think there could be somewhere you HAVE to press A and maybe it doesn't count.

[@bruhhhsmm2615]

you can press start to start your game file and press B to scroll thru text

[@jongyon7192p]

speedruns Rus Alright, well that solves that. Hmm, if it's at least possible to get through BitFS with holding A... Probably not.

[@bruhhhsmm2615]

DeRockProject & the Attack of the Really Long Channel Name It is possible to do it in 0.5x A Presses but I think we all want 0 :)

[@lioneyebee497]

can't you fall from the platform near the heart to put mario in a double jump state to use upwarp to collect the caged red coin?

[@RobertEnciso]

U will need 2 press A 1 time at least for that

[@Clawdragoons]

Would it be possible to get a Goomba in a useful position by using the instant-release glitch after having set the HOLP somewhere on another level? I don't know if you can bring the Goomba near any walls on the level, to make that work, but here's why I ask. I'm thinking perhaps something similar to what was done in one of the TTC levels - where you put the HOLP out of bounds and once you get in range the enemy snaps to Mario's position. If you had that position be where Mario does a handstand on top of the pole, perhaps the Goomba could knock him off the pole and onto the platform?

[@ZeroJanitor]

you cant grab a goomba though

[@welcoe]

It's possible to clone a goomba if you grab an object fake. But the only object you can grab fake in BitFS (the bob-omg) is way past the pole so you can't get to it. And you can't instant release a clone. To grab an object fake, you have to dive into it and release it on the same frame. You can't grab an object fake with a dive because there is no delay between Mario grabbing the object and the object updating to be grabbed.

[@CoolKirby2000]

Nice!

[@gdmohdpiece]

0:57 what is this sound come from..

[@Qbe_Root]

One of the bullies wandering below tried to walk on lava and found out too late that it wasn’t a great idea.

[@gdmohdpiece]

or.... _the brainless stupid bully_ fell off and burned to *death*

[@powerupstate0xf6insupermar52]

GD Mohd PIECE no, the bully went to a Parallel Universe and he used a rocket that makes this sound Let's use the rocket and complete BitFS in 0x A Presses

[@fartonaut2291]

A bully saw the impending doom that approached and killed itself

[@Erokingu]

BK: Rusty Bucket Bay propeller jiggy without diving (TASish)

[@want-diversecontent3887]

Why not use the A press to do the Hanging-Ceiling Upwarp glitch instead of jump off the pole? It saves time.

[@effiearkalis2229]

that requires an a press

[@sunk6478]

Effie Arkalis "alternate" It is also a faster strat, by like, 5 seconds

[@cantthinkofbettername5065]

Would it be possible to use PU's to get to the second floor of the castle without even opening the locked door (avoiding BitFS, and by extent the last A press of the 70 star run) similarly to how you got to The Secret Aquarium in 0 A presses (that is, if you'd even consider skipping BitFS valid for the run)?

[@Qbe_Root]

The door that requires the key from BitFS is a loading zone, the second floor won’t even load if you don’t have the key.

[@cantthinkofbettername5065]

Qbe Root That is a good point.

[@Qbe_Root]

raydarable Unfortunately, the door under the moat bypasses Bowser 1 (Dark World), not Bowser 2 (Fire Sea)… :-/

[@Qbe_Root]

raydarable If there were a HSW spot (or otherwise 0xA PU access, but the moat makes HSW seem likely) outside the castle, it might be possible to get down to the door’s height in a PU and end up on the main map close enough to the actual door that you can enter before the swimming state activates.

[@Qbe_Root]

raydarable I don’t know, but what we need is a slope right below the water surface and something to keep Mario from moving. There are quite a few shallow water slopes around the moat, so all we need is a perpendicular wall or a low ceiling.

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmm]

How does the bob-omb get grabbed fake but then become real again? Do cloned bob-ombs just act like normal ones?

[@phantomations191]

MMMMMMMMMMMMM When you hold a clone object it has no collision until you let it go in which causes the Bob omb to have the actions of a real Bob omb but other items like Goombas has collision but stands still.... at least that is what I remember is why...

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmm]

So bob-ombs are just an exception?

[@NXeta]

Bounced on lava at 0:09?? Was that just exploiting a glitch?

[@craftyawesome6830]

+NX berry ZB bounce OP

[@computercat8694]

+NX berry You can bounce on lava.

[@sasdsasdsasd]

Ridic...

[@slowfreq]

does vertical speed going into lava affect how high it boosts you?

[@spicytuna6425]

As far as I know, lava always boosts Mario the same height.

[@antoniojoaquinruizalfonso4232]

SpicyTuna It just sets the vertical speed to 80.

[@Dontrel3030]

4:18 what was he waiting for?

[@Zawmbbeh]

12 hours.

[@connfdm]

the cloned goomba to be pushed, thus allowing a transport clone

[@wizdoodle]

you should do some RR ones :)

[@computercat8694]

He did do some RR ones

[@spiritsnail7487]

Sorry for the stupid question, but why is it possible to clone some stars and not others?

[@Igorex95]

most stars are loaded in at the start of the level, with some of them only loading in after a certain goal has been achieved, what that means is that if you're holding onto an empty object slot which would then correspond to a star that spawns into the level, it would then be held by mario, allowing you to "clone" it over to mario and collect it

[@WeegeeWarrior75]

@@Igorex95nice thank you

[@chrisallisonbreen5570]

Mario can roll!?!?

[@DebugCat]

yyeah dive recover

[@blankthehedgehog6279]

GUYS STOP LOOKING FOR THAT TTC UPWARP THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON! THIS IS THE LAST REQUIRED A PRESS! WE NEED TO SAVE IT!

[@alexmayo3753]

In theory, the TTC Upwarp could be used to save this A Press, if we only knew how to trigger it.

[@origamiscienceguy6658]

It is saved. Stop yelling.

[@blankthehedgehog6279]

taylor sims The internet would be better without trolls like you

[@origamiscienceguy6658]

Blank The Hedgehog behold, you unbeliever: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3fbe6inaKuFnas

[@Kaztalek]

c:

[@MonJilley]

any chance you could clone that particular red coin? or is it always loaded upon entering the level?

[@pannenkoek2012]

John Milley Yes, it's always loaded upon entering a level. But even when you clone a red coin (in courses with a loading point), the red coin doesn't count towards collecting the 8 red coins total (all it does is increase your coin count by 2).

[@corbincox9925]

+pannenkoek2012 What if you overextend the second platform so you can fall off of the pole and land on the platforms edge, and the dive off?

[@asteros6387]

We can do it 0x now

[@computercat8694]

What glitches could be used to save presses?

[@origamiscienceguy6658]

ComputerCat none that we know of so far.

[@welcoe]

there are tons of glitches that save A presses, but none are known that could save the BitFS pole A press

[@DubiousDoggo]

couldnt you use a goomba ladder to go around the pole?

[@pannenkoek2012]

We don't have access to the bob-omb before the pole.

[@Charcoal190]

pannenkoek2012 Can you "play" with his AI to get him down?

[@pannenkoek2012]

Unfortunately, he's not even walking around. He's deactivated since he's too far away, so he's just invisible and not moving. I've gone in the lava directly under him just to see if the bounce would get me close enough to him to reactivate him, but nope.

[@CoasterMagicX2]

Hey dude this is outdated now.

[@wizdoodle]

How does the pole glitch even work?

[@pannenkoek2012]

If you double jump into the base of the pole just right, then Mario will instantaneously appear at the top of the pole. It saves time for speedruns, but I don't know if it can be utilized to save A presses.

[@GaehneD]

pannenkoek2012 guys! that pole glitch won't save an A press since you only can perform it if you actually press/hold A while being at the exact point under the pole! if you watch those TASes closely you will see that Mario is hanging on the grid above the pole on the next frame he was in the right position while having A pressed! the game thinks Mario wants to grab the grid and goes into hanging animation and that's why Mario beams up the pole form one frame to the next! thanks for listening^^

[@pannenkoek2012]

Gaehne D. still, that could reduce it to 0.5 A presses. I'll have to test it more

[@pannenkoek2012]

Gaehne D. Yeah, I don't think it's going to work. I've been holding A and running off into the spot where the glitch is done, but nothing's happening. I feel like Mario needs to be moving upwards for it to work, since I can't recall a single instance of Mario falling down onto a wire mesh.

[@GaehneD]

pannenkoek2012 that's right! Mario needs some momentum upwards to do the glitch! same as normal grid hanging! you always need to jump up to a grid to get into hanging mode while holding A...

[@185TNTsChannel]

-a press could be saved with prior holp placement- there is no haat in hand glitch here

[@computercat8694]

+185TNT It is so very and utterly completely so very and utterly sad. :'(

[@computercat8694]

+ComputerCat Well we have instant release but there aren't any bobombs :'(

[@computercat8694]

+ComputerCat Well we have pausebufferedhitstun but there aren't any bobombs :'(

[@klaus.sfc01offlcial30]

Is this TAS, or are you just too patient?

[@pannenkoek2012]

TAS. At this point, TAS is my default and can be assumed.

[@klaus.sfc01offlcial30]

pannenkoek2012 I always thought your videos were Non-TAS..

[@pannenkoek2012]

Scabby Rabby I used to not use TAS, but then I needed to use it for its greater precision, and I realized it made making videos so much easier! With TAS, I can control the input on each frame, slow down the game, save/play back input recordings, and create .avi files directly from the emulator. It's pretty convenient.

[@fofolp1213]

Is that TAS?

[@PolarisStarSystem]

Probably.

[@PolarisStarSystem]

Yes, it is TAS.

[@toaddan3785]

This is a bit late, but...why not just use Z to get off the pole, minus the red coin?

[@marioisawesome8218]

In the DS version, you can grab from dropping off a pole, and also influence your direction while also dropping off a pole.

[@cdkumquat4953]

but this is the original N64 version.

[@marioisawesome8218]

Adam Livneh Did you read my comment properly?

[@connfdm]

this is also a bit late, but dropping off the pole doesn't go far enough to reach the platform

[@mitch8594]

maybe you can clone a fire at the pole so you can burn and fall to the side.

[@alexanderm5728]

Can't clone anything before getting past the pole.

[@Spalp]

Too many a presses >:v

[@daltonweathersby1320]

Outdated

[@igotmemes_]

not on N64

[@domlee5902]

This 0x is TAS, right?

[@xianlucax9343]

Yeah, it's 1x tho

[@chrisallisonbreen5570]

I knew the A press was to get past the pole!!!

[@blackdevon47]

step one, download supermario64 on pc emulator step two, activate invincible cheat step three, you know what to do

[@antoniojoaquinruizalfonso4232]

Blackdevon47 That's not legit, and would requiere A anyways.

[@chrisallisonbreen5570]

Burn yo butt for red coins. (It's a joke (( ; )