BitFS 0xA Ideas

[@Deadapostle1]

We did all this and now some guy fell asleep and found a solution. Wow.

[@randomclownguy6]

video explaining it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3fbe6inaKuFnas

[@meeperpieman]

@Gordo Terremotanque De Ravioles it only works on the VC version right? And iirc the VC version still has another separate currently insurmountable A press

[@Benjamslikestrains]

considering after the glitch was discovered pannen made a video USING the glitch to get past the pole im 100% sure it was "aproved" @Gordo Terremontanque De Ravioles

[@SuperNintendawg]

VC is better for any% ABC because of that trick, but 100% ABC still saves more A Presses by using the original release.

[@IronicHavoc]

@@Benjamslikestrains He makes videos for every version. And he also mentioned that VC has other issues that make it a trade off.

[@face_nemesis]

2:11 mario shows off his powers of telekinesis

[@UncommentatedPannen]

It was meant to parallel the technique of scuttlebug raising. However, we cannot raise goombas in the same way do to their different programming

[@pyrule]

UncommentatedPannen did you even get the joke lol

[@tekayo63]

@@pyrule It's a joke too. It's a reference to WFRR x0.5 A presses

[@pyrule]

TKCool TV - Gaming and More Oh,

[@aurora1089]

everybody gangsta till the goomba starts levitating

[@Trillyana]

[pannenkoek being held for interrogation] pannenkoek: I won't tell you anything Me: *presses the A button* pannenkoek: PLEASE NO MORE I'LL TELL YOU

[@RickRoller90001]

Excuse me is that Ilyana?

[@TheGuy45]

*file select music plays*

[@D.Dragon]

Also, threaten to delete his hard drives and burn his N64. The threat of losing all progress would be enough.

[@mariospeedrunclips7358]

Douglas Dragon he uses emu😂

[@isaacthered]

lol 255th like

[@SALordBaxter]

One day in one of these kind of videos the answer to "can we use X" will be "yes" and my depression will be cured.

[@Purin1023]

exactly what I was thinking

[@BillyTheTapeworm]

I now have a visceral and painful reaction when I see the word "unfortunately" written in black-outlined yellow text.

[@RarefoilB]

+Jake Smith What if he used the word "sadly" instead?

[@kargaroc386]

If that was the case, the video wouldn't even need to exist though :(

[@SALordBaxter]

End with the successful idea and then a thing that's like "updated run coming soon". I just want to see one of these kinds of videos end happily.

[@jgcodes2020]

9:11 The most promising solution. They're working on using the bully to gain PU speed and the tilting platforms for rotational displacement.

[@TriangleSyrup]

The movie Up didn't make me cry...but this did.

[@jan050375]

i like these "throwing ideas at it" videos, even though you didnt find the solution. its like a nice summary of glitches.

[@UncommentatedPannen]

It's also a way for me to get out of having to answer the same question comments over and over

[@octi4684]

@@UncommentatedPannen you will get more comments if you do that tho (yes i responded 6 years late i know)

[@GoldenKingStudio]

Well, I guess it is back to making blood sacrifices to the Mystery Goomba, I hear the Dark Master allows Mario to make one jump without the A button for every million Goombas sacrificed.

[@iqbaltrojan]

uh

[@richardgibson8403]

iqbaltrojan I don't know either

[@mariosonicfan2010]

So, in a nutshell: "Would X work?" "no."

[@UncommentatedPannen]

" _Unfortunately_ no." You gotta let them down gently

[@HeyKevinYT]

no

[@TheMegaxPlus]

UncommentatedPannen Slowly smashing all hopes and dreams...

[@headcrab4]

Just jump 256 times and overflow your jump counter, so it resets to zero! Wait...

[@eltiolavara9]

mario's worst enemy is not bowser no it doesn't have a face it doesn't have a body it has no style it has no grace it's a FUCKING GREEN POLE

[@NewTungsten]

2:12 I must go, my people need me!

[@RarefoilB]

It's "my planet needs me," not "my people need me."

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

No, it's, "my people need me." The subreddit is titled as such.

[@marv659]

I read: My pole need me. xD

[@AldiePezeh]

Dear diary, today my dog died, my wife left me for another man, I lost my job, my house burned down and pannenkoek2012 uploaded another video. It was the best day of the week.

[@Andrew-gu8uw]

AldiePezeh rly? (no)

[@HeyKevinYT]

except this is...

[@youwerethere]

This is uncommentated, but hey, they're still amazing, even without his amazing voice.

[@boxrog]

this man is unstoppable

[@spootot]

Except this pole has been a problem for a damn long time...

[@raikkappa23]

That's why you never see Pannen at strip clubs.

[@kama2106]

spoot and now... GG hard, 0x may be possible :-)

[@plushifoxed]

something about the bully reappearing on the platform with that POW sound was funny to me

[@iqbaltrojan]

first reply with 46 likes

[@l9m241]

Does anyone have a time machine? I'm going back and "highly" suggesting Nintendo to rearrange the level layout a tad. *goes back in time PUT THAT BOMB-OMB THERE NOW DAMNIT!

[@poopfart785]

first, let's talk about time travel

[@agoodduck]

New SM64 technique: 1. go to nintendo 2. get them to re-release the game with the same code 3. convince them to move the bob-omb 4. be happy

[@RarefoilB]

That won't work. They don't know English, you need to speak Japanese.

[@KaitouKaiju]

Speaking of rereleases, I wonder how much of these videos is applicable to the DS game.

[@jakeroo123]

Not many, I think. The physics engine was completely overhauled, so most of the glitches are different. I know PUs no longer exist (the game actually caps Mario's x and z at 30,000), hyper speed is a lot harder to achieve, and collision overall is more accurate.

[@fiery_sr6406]

Idea #15: w a i t

[@Volian0]

smol

[@ilostthegame4801]

burger king foot lettuce

[@quinn7894]

Idea #15 Use Wii VC

[@chillboard4904]

Quinn 78 and then w a i t

[@MariaNicolae]

Yeah, this A press is almost certainly impossible. It'd probably take a whole new glitch to save it.

[@2230400180252469452]

Upwarp bounty still unsolved.

[@samkostka126]

Upwarp bounty is most likely a one-off cosmic ray bit flip in the streamer's console

[@Solibrae]

I think the streamer was playing on an emulator too, so it could have been an emulation error. EDIT: Never mind, it seems I was wrong.

[@MariaNicolae]

Solibrae III No, the streamer was playing on an actual N64.

[@Solibrae]

Timestoppa on KZbin Oh, right. I watched pannenkoek's video about the glitch again and it seems I just misunderstood something about it. Well thanks, now I know more than before!

[@iwersonsch5131]

How about you stay in the level for like 10 days and see if anything useful happens 4Head

[@randomclownguy6]

on WiiVC specifically. also its 8 days kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3fbe6inaKuFnas

[@iwersonsch5131]

I sent that as a joke, knowing it had already been found

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmm]

I'm doing that in TTC rn

[@iwersonsch5131]

Hope you are on the right version

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmm]

I'm on Wii VC

[@CheeseYeen]

I MAY have an idea here. It's about using the lava boosts for VSC, namely about STACKING lava boosts. Right now, it looks that when you use VSC with a lava boost, that speed is immediately used when you next leave a platform. This would seemingly make stacking impossible, as you're boosted up, not letting you hit the lava again. However, there's that one platform with the amp and the pole that raises up and down. My idea is as follows: 1) Use the lava boost for VSC as you showed in the video. 2) Make sure the lava boost angles you so that you can punch your way into the raising and lowering platform with the amp. It would have to be frame-perfect, I'm assuming, but during however many frames the raising platform is even with stone platform that you're already on, you would move onto the raising and lowering platform. This would hopefully conserve the VSC since you're moving onto a platform with equal height. 3) Let the platform lower back into the lava. Your VSC would not have been consumed yet, and you would then be lava boosted as it lowers down. If angled correctly, it could be possible to do another VSC with THAT lava boost. The sticking point is this, however: does the lava boost give you a set amount of vertical speed, or does it stack with vertical speed already stored? This, along with difficult angles, are the two flaws I can see in this. But would this method allow you to stack the lava boosted VSC?

[@EpicBzzBoy3]

I gave this a shot myself. All it did was reset it and it didn't stack.

[@CheeseYeen]

Ah, I was afraid of that. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

[@UncommentatedPannen]

Stacking vertical speed was a hope I had had back when VSC became a main ABC tool. But alas, it doesn't seem to be possible in any situation, since things that give Mario positive VS simply set it to that value, not add a value onto it

[@randomviewer896]

You know how you have that 1000$ reward for anybody who can figure out that upwarp glitch in TTC? I want to propose something similar for the BitFS A press. I'm willing to pitch 50$ to the reward.

[@ltlynx77]

Pannen should let us donate money for him, for increasing the TTC upwarp bounty and for this.

[@fendoroid3788]

Maybe we can't raise goombas, but we can raise bounties.

[@walugusgrudenburg3068]

speaking of upwarp glitch i actually think it could save this A press

[@ltlynx77]

If we just could repeat it and know it's secrets... Pannen could actually save a lot of A presses.

[@UncommentatedPannen]

While that sounds good in theory, there's a critical difference between the two. For the TTC upwarp, the goal is to recreate it. As far as we know, it may just be really precise, in which case simply trying to do it a large number of times could be the key to recreating it. So a bounty that incentivizes others to try it would be a worthy investment. For BitFS 0x, the goal is to find some new strat. This will most likely require in depth knowledge of the game, its glitches, and its mechanics. So a bounty that incentivizes others to try it probably wouldn't be a worthy investment, since not even the most ABC experienced minds could solve it

[@gigitrix]

Finally the vertical PU features in these exhaustive enumerations of disappointment.

[@sawnikk]

I actually had a nightmare about this pole last night. The BiTFS music was playing in the background, and there were just a bunch of cuts of Mario trying to get off of the pole with a handstand

[@MrCheeze]

You've demonstrated before that objects in Tick Tock Clock exhibit unusual behaviour when certain patterns of RNG happen. Have you investigated more common objects - Goombas, for example - along those same lines?

[@Oblivionitus]

Wow, so many great theories in this video, the ABC community is really trying their hardest to get past this one last hurdle

[@owenfrazier5209]

It's a pole, not a hurdle.

[@lukergamerz4455]

Considering how the SMW community has learned so much about the game that they can make the game inject code into itself and make a Flappy Bird clone out of it, I really wonder how far this challenge will go...

[@Chmmr]

LukerGamerz lmao can we get SM64 ACE? That would be hilarious and amazing

[@firstnamelastname8684]

Pokemon Stadium has ACE, cartswap anyone?

[@want-diversecontent3887]

Nackles42 Pokemon stadium Pokemon red make code in ram temporarily freeze console cartswap to super mario 64 while frozen kaboom problem solved

[@prexot2341]

The epic battle of the pole versus the pancake.

[@jaydentt]

*pannenkoek

[@SrIgort]

@@jaydentt whoooosh

[@Sparkette]

"BitFS" sounds like the name of a filesystem.

[@brittanyb839]

Some day you should end one of these videos with a final point where you're like "Idea #18: Do x... YES! IT WORKS!". Maybe add some confetti and some balloons. I am desperate for a happy ending.

[@invenblocker]

Pannen has already stated that if someone gives an idea that works, he won't do this, since it's far easier for him to just make a video about the idea that works.

[@Henrix1998]

I just keep watching this again and again

[@SAwfulEPM]

If I had to guess, the solution probably doesn't involve getting into the box or off the pole, but bypassing it entirely. Not that I'm remotely qualified to say, but logically speaking the small point of entry, as well as the pole object, are much more constraining than pure vertical movement or some other form of workaround. That, some form of memory corruption, or otherwise creating heavily-glitchy conditions seem like the only venues not thwarted by the chokepoint of the pole-into-hole.

[@DeadwingDork]

Is it possible to wrongwarp into the boss level or something?

[@groszak1]

There is no wrong warp glitch

[@DlcEnergy]

what if you was just to try falling asleep...?

[@ugogogo2438]

When you'll solve this, will you post a video of the entire any% run without any A presses?

[@tomjackal5708]

"when" >implying it will ever happen

[@Azumongo]

Either it happens or pannenkoek dies of old age. No way that silly pole will stop this absolute madman.

[@madghostek3026]

As I heard some of stars need 6 hours,you won't want to watch this all :V

[@UncommentatedPannen]

I don't know

[@halo4224]

well either pannen has already died of old age or doesn't now about the new *_h e c c i n_* glitch

[@valentetellezperez6538]

8:43 the ridiculous speed of the platform was so hilarious to me. It made my day.

[@iwakuraWired44]

The answer turned out to wait a bunch

[@Green24152]

The moment where the goomba is lifted up, i like to think Mario has the Force from Star Wars.

[@OfficialOlue]

Soon this puzzle will be solved. It is getting verified on console as I speak. If it passes then it's really exciting and we can beat the game without the a button effectively

[@thewildjamie3283]

I've been waiting for a video like this. Pannen, we are all supporting you! Show this game who's boss yet again!

[@felineki]

2:12 "I must go now. My planet needs me." Note: Goomba died on the way back to his home planet.

[@mrt129_luigi]

You have build up speed for 12 hours. Now prepare for: Raise a platform for 71 hours(RTA 192 hours)!

[@NovaTheDark]

MRT129 Edwin Lai it's actually 71

[@mrt129_luigi]

TheDarkNoVa Isn't it 8 days

[@NovaTheDark]

MRT129 Edwin Lai it's 8 days RTA and ≈3 days TAS

[@mrt129_luigi]

TheDarkNoVa wait,what?why?

[@NovaTheDark]

MRT129 Edwin Lai RTA strat use a dive recover to clip into the mesh cage, and TAS strat uses VSC to " jump " higher into the cage, so RTA strat requires the platform to be way higher than the TAS strat

[@undergroundmonorail]

Hey pannenkoek, maybe you could do it 0x if you tried cloning??????????? :P

[@undergroundmonorail]

the joke is that he says we can't clone and then does like 3 "what if we could clone" ideas

[@E-102_Gamma]

_If you have to explain the joke in order for it to be understood, is it really a joke?_

[@renakunisaki]

Maybe if we clone a PU...

[@Azumongo]

The thought of Mario casually walking around with an entire parallel universe in his hands is kinda scary.

[@hiimethan2700]

mario: excuse me, i have an entire duplicate of the entire course in my hands, can you move?

[@BrinchTunes]

1:06 "0.5x is an improvement"? But you said there's only 1 a press left in the any% run!

[@UncommentatedPannen]

This A press is very valuable to save because it is the sole remaining A press in the any% run. However, it also adds 1 A press to the 120 star run, and so that run could still be improved from a 0.5x reduction

[@BrinchTunes]

Oh right, i completely forgot that you have to do this in the 120 star run. Very quick reply from you, i might add!

[@UncommentatedPannen]

Thanks. I try to stay up to date on the comments I get on this channel

[@BrinchTunes]

That's awesome, pannen! Not many KZbinrs do that nowadays...

[@marowakcity8578]

Brinch play the whole game with a pressed

[@thelegendarybeng5329]

Something interesting here is that none of these ideas use the heart. In fact, I don't recall a single video of yours that uses the heart. Theoretically, could mario damage boost for the vertical distance while moving with the heart, meaning death would be a non issue, no matter the speed?

[@invenblocker]

If we assumed the hear moved so incredibly fast, it just stays in motion for as long as we need, there's still the issue of getting these infinite boots. Lava boosts can only get you so far, and the enemies are all at too low height to boost you further than that.

[@porygonlover322]

You really should have put a slide whistle sound at 2:11

[@Dr18Registered]

Seeing that Goomba just float up at 2:11 was funny.

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmm]

Well, this video is now [Outdated] and I couldn't be happier.

[@Miju001]

(Wii VC only)

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmm]

So? Wii VC is an official Nintendo release, just like the Japanese version. However, this video will still be used for the 120 star run.

[@Miju001]

I know, I consider the new A press save completely legit and I'm looking forward to whatever video Pannen will make about it. Still, the way I see it, the Wii Virtual Console is clearly inferior to the Nintendo 64, both because of the lack of spawning displacement and because of worse TASing tools. The only thing in which the Virtual Console is better than the Nintendo 64, i.e. better handling of PU movements, seems about to become useless, considering the new possible strategy used to enter the Secret Aquarium without using PU movement.

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmm]

True, but the VC still wins on any%.

[@Miju001]

Yeah, I know.

[@garrettmccloskey274]

This vide has become relevant again.

[@ehx3419]

One thought that came to me lately: Might there be a spawn displacement that lets us out beyond the flagpole? From what I know, it's handled somewhat differently from PU displacements.

[@SK-by6qd]

ehx I don't think you can get a spawning displacement vertically. Not entirely sure though.

[@Visleaf]

Is there any way for the game to pretend the heart's rotational speed is Mario's vertical speed? Something dumb like that would be a godsent.

[@jaydentt]

Building up heart speed for 12 hours

[@RaffiTheOwl]

Man, this is a long way to go just because your A button doesn't work. Just buy a new controller.

[@BIGBLUBLUR]

But OG N64 controllers are hard to find/expensive, and 3rd parties suck, tho. This entire series is basically an intricate and lengthy lesson on how to save money!

[@QuiVeutUneMerguez]

ORIGINAL JOKE

[@doctorvortex7767]

but think about all the poor people that cannot afford a new controller! Pannen is the hero they need!

[@iProgramInCpp]

It's a challenge. The A button is completely functional on his N64 I'm pretty sure. Also, he uses emulator, so that isn't a problem

[@arsyn4504]

iProgramInCpp wooosh

[@fabbriziospeedruns6034]

2:15 the goomba's just like "this is fine".

[@migerz1]

its really simple actually, you just have to remap jump to a different button, problem solved

[@0001aardvark]

Michael G. That requires third-party hardware/software and is therefore illegal.

[@groszak1]

There is no setting for this in game

[@want-diversecontent3887]

Michael G. This is not funny

[@jaydentt]

Then how will we punch/kick‽

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

>tfw we tried all of this shit and studied for ages while achieving nothing, then some guy leaves his Wii on and saves an a press by mistake

[@Luna-Lux]

Would it be possible to get a star in at the top of the pole and use the star dance clip to boost upward into the room?

[@MegaLolmann]

That would probably require cloning, and I don't think it's possible to use any sort of cloning methods before passing the pole.

[@Azumongo]

There would be so many more possiblities if we just had a single bob-omb on the lower floor somehwere :/

[@MegaLolmann]

Or a cork box. .-.

[@Azumongo]

Lol, Google+ names Really weird how none of the developers back then at one point said "Wait! What if someone 20 years in the future tries to beat the game without pressing A even once? We can't let that guy down! Someone place a glitch-able object on the lower floor immediately!"

[@UncommentatedPannen]

We can't make a star in this course unless we collect all the red coins, several of which are past the pole. So using a star isn't really worth considering

[@ultimatecorgi3392]

This will sound like a stupid question, but is it possible to transport those purple throwing guys between levels?

[@UncommentatedPannen]

it is not

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmm]

"Purple throwing guys"? Nothing in this level is purple...

[@redpenguin111]

the pole cloning idea might work if you make the pole higher with a good holp and pause buffered hitstun off a Goomba , then do that "perfect" VSC route to reach the higher pole and lastly drop down from the new raised height. It still wouldn't work because cloning the pole is impossible ingame but it's something.

[@InfoTeddy]

No, the pole is either too close or too far from the floor of the box, no matter where you'd place it or get on it.

[@johnhawkins5314]

7:11 The trauma is real. Poor Bully :(

[@NitsuaGamer]

Alright, time to start manipulating the bully! I mean who doesn't want to do that right? Get it in an eternal boiling state, and snap back to solid reality. I guess the closest thing to suggest is to manipulate its spawning point, but I somehow doubt that will work. And I highly doubt HOLPS can help since there's no way to perform that glitch for this situation. God, one simple jump off a pole and a platform that's only a little away, and an A Press is needed for this. This is more frustrating than the Treasure Chest Star in Jolly Roger Bay!

[@Falleax69]

I barely understand what goes on in your videos, but they are very interesting and educational.

[@warmCabin]

Why does Mario's voice change pitch when he's far away? (like at 10:50)? It's something I almost always notice in videos with hyper speed stuff.

[@diveo]

same

[@warmCabin]

Listen closely, especially to the second "ha." I think it does both. Also listen at 9:20, where it becomes a weird sort of squeak.

[@twilight-sparkle]

...doppler effect?

[@SuperNintendawg]

And now we can do it! On Wii VC, but still.

[@SomeRandomFellow]

what about waiting for the oscillating platform to inch up after 8 days of waiting?

[@matthewhausmann3707]

Your channel is fascinating, thanks for all these videos :D

[@Macedragon37]

Hats of too Pannenkeok for truly testing all of our ideas.

[@UncommentatedPannen]

lol the ideas have been tested for months/years. This video is just me finally getting around to documenting them all

[@cheetah7071]

Do you have a list of ideas of future things that could save the A press, similar to how you had one for Top o' the Town?

[@theironsword1954]

Idea #15 Cartridge tilting It does some crazy shit, why can't it be used here? SOMEONE GET A REAL N64 OUT HERE!

[@groszak1]

This is a hack.

[@rroadagain2810]

So I was wondering here, with the one suggestion with the notion of merely decreasing the amount of A presses to 0.5 instead of dropping it to zero... would that actually be better in the context of the any% run? iirc you can't really say it's a half press, but rather, it's a way of saying that the press can be combined with other specific presses to round it out, but since the run has no other presses left, it'd still end up being 1 A press, right?

[@Cunt143]

If you do it any% then yes, it's still 1 A press. I guess it will save some time to use that press on an earlier part though

[@ViviBlue-db2br]

No you could have A pressed before you turned on The console

[@KazeN64]

but you could play through the game a million times with that one press, so you'd use an average of 0.000001 presses.

[@windowsforvista]

An A press is an A press, you can't say it's only half (kidding)

[@Cunt143]

***** Shut up, """Henry"""

[@8BitMisdreavus]

Could you use a goomba to make a Pedro spot?

[@UncommentatedPannen]

No

[@8BitMisdreavus]

Bollocks. Worth asking though. Off topic, but is there any way to "create" a Pedro spot, rather than just finding one like in CCM or forcing yourself into one like in TTC?

[@UncommentatedPannen]

If we lure wiggler near the wall, we can jam Mario between him and a ceiling, which allows him to build up speed. Separately, if we use vertical wind to raise Mario into a ceiling, he can build up speed though. Both of those involve a ceiling to keep Mario still while he builds up speed, but they don't use the typical floor-ceiling setup, so I don't think that actually qualify as pedro spots. The thing is, we can't just move floors and ceilings in most cases. I guess an exception would be the movable box, but I don't think there's any cases where that can be used

[@Lightningflamingice]

and yet we've done it, sure 2 years later, but finally it is now possible

[@fendoroid3788]

So, we need to find a way to raise goombas.

[@UncommentatedPannen]

Well, there's many impossible things that we "just need to do" to solve BitFS

[@jaydentt]

@@UncommentatedPannen like wait for 72 hours or build up speed for 365 years

[@aidenmcubing]

Use the platform float glitch on wii vc altough, unless you were doing a tas you will need to wait 8 days

[@platurt9595]

What happens if you enter lava while having vertical speed conserved? Does the lava sets the vertical speed or does it increases it? If it's the second, maybe one could use the tilting platforms to build up some vertical speed.

[@Qbe_Root]

Sadly, nothing seems to add vertical speed, it’s always being set to a particular value.

[@platurt9595]

Qbe Root Aw, that sucks. Thx for the info tho. There got to be a way...

[@UncommentatedPannen]

Lava boosts set vertical speed, not add onto it. In fact, there's no known phenomenon that adds a positive value onto Mario's vertical speed

[@thomaslocke5626]

Every time an "ideas" video comes up, I go in with the foolish notion that one of them will be it. That he just wanted to build tension instead of making a "X SOLVED" video first.

[@UncommentatedPannen]

That would never happen. The way I make videos follows a sort of "follow the path of least resistance" mindset. Videos that are funner, easier, or more interesting are more favorable to me, and so I tend to make them before the more boring, harder, and less interesting ones. So a video that shows one strat and works would always be easier and more interesting than one that shows many strats that don't work.

[@RealClassixX]

This is the origin of all sadness.

[@iwersonsch5131]

I thought out some more ideas. If 91% of them are complete trash, this could be one of the greatest ABC successes of all time. 1. Punch off the pole. 2. Frame walk off the pole, using all possible combinations of inputs. 3. Get VSC from the seesaw, get up the pole, and release the VSC. 4. RNG manipulate an enemy to fall down to the pole room. 5. Lure an enemy by standing somewhere else on the lower level. 6. Lure an enemy by releasing Lava VSC somewhere else on the lower level. 7. Lure a fire-spitting enemy towards the pole, and use the fire to get off. 8. Use the 100 coin star to get off the pole. 9. Find a coin count conservation glitch, and use the 100 coin star. 10. Get Luigi to knock you off the pole. 11. Enter the level holding A, get up the pole, and *release* it! Maybe that's the case where that's useful or important. 12. Give up, let go - and *grab that freaking ceiling!!!*

[@adealmusic]

1. Can't do anything while dropping of the pole 2. The pole is a wall and you can't framewalk on it 3. if you want to get VSC by a dive recover, the max speed is 24 and this is not enough, and as shown in the video , lava boost is not enough 4-5-6-7. enemy's are too far for manipulation 8. not enough coins 9. we first need to find it 10. No hacks allowed 11. I've try it, doesn't work 12. NEVER IN MY LIFE

[@iwersonsch5131]

Unfortunately. Big thanks nevertheless for your investigation. But as you seem so eager to try things out: Would you help me with an actually promising blueprint for the TTC Pedro Spot? If you can find a position that gets stable enough for small oscillations of the cog (ideally immediately), we could actually have pannenkoek have revisit that topic. Depending on how good a spot you can find, there might be between 0 and 10^30 possible setups for a 1x Pedro Spot and 7 A press saves.

[@kataack8481]

2:12 Goomba: wait what

[@SuppahTenko]

Is there atleast any promising things left? I feel like recently there only have been videos about the things that wont work.

[@UncommentatedPannen]

I have a lot of videos left to make. I'm simply in the mood to document all the strats that don't work. Especially since it saves me the effort of having to reply to all the comments that suggest ideas shown here

[@Chmmr]

1:13 if that spot was over lava, we'd be 0x already. Screw this, I'm getting a time machine and getting the devs to put lava right beneath there. Then we would be able to RLB up And while we're at it, maybe add an elevator to WfRR so we don't have to build up speed for 12 hours.

[@iwersonsch5131]

Turns out the devs made an official emulator that has a useful glitch

[@RetroCandyArt]

you can find a way to do it, pannenkoek! we believe in you!

[@UncommentatedPannen]

Well, a lot of the info here was from Tyler Kehne. He looked into this way more than I have, so really it would probably be him who beats it

[@RetroCandyArt]

pannenkeok2012 well i hope someone finds a way eventually, i look forward to the possibility of a complete run!

[@bentonstacy6315]

Boy do I have a surprise for you from the future and now 0x is possible!

[@nordern1]

Since you explored some ideas even if they are not feasible: Could you drop of the pole into the 100-coin star to get up there?

[@InfoTeddy]

The edge is so narrow you can't ledge grab, so the 100 Coin star wouldn't help. Not that there's a 100 Coin star in Bowser stages anyway -- you'd need to use the red coin star instead, but there's red coins past the pole

[@groszak1]

What about some weird satanic ritual?

[@iwersonsch5131]

Get into the Pedro spot!

[@Kazzax100]

If you can do Any% with 0.5 a presses, couldn't you technically do it with 0, since you can hold the a button before the game starts, never really pressing it?

[@walugusgrudenburg3068]

that wouldnt count sadly as the button was pressed

[@UncommentatedPannen]

The amount of A presses in a run will be determined from the m64 file by analyzing the inputs. Specifically, each segment of contiguous frames during which A is held will count as one A press. Half A presses are only special in that they refer to the fact that a particular segment of A frames will be contiguous to a previous segment of A frames during the final run, and so the latter segment does not incur an additional A press. There cannot be a half A press in a full run - that does not make sense. The notation of half A presses is simply a shorthand to help determine how different stars' A press counts would interact when putting them together. After they're put together, the A press count will be an integer

[@alexgrnya1312]

Wait, could this vertical displacement on rotating platforms thing have anything to do with the TTC upwarp?

[@InfoTeddy]

At this point, _anything_ could have anything to do with the TTC upwarp. Anything could also _not_ anything to do with it. We won't know until someone reproduces it

[@BillehBawb]

Idea 15: Stand Idly for multiple days

[@ConroNorock]

every time you post a video with "ideas" in the title I get my hopes up despite knowing the video will end with only disappointment

[@UncommentatedPannen]

There would never be a successful idea in such a video. The way I make videos follows a sort of "follow the path of least resistance" mindset. Videos that are funner, easier, or more interesting are more favorable to me, and so I tend to make them before the more boring, harder, and less interesting ones. So a video that shows one strat and works would always be easier and more interesting than one that shows many strats that don't work.

[@MrMarowak]

you can save every A press by writing a different letter on your controller with a permanent marker. then you're not pushing the A button at all

[@shelvacu]

12:12 Pannen I'm dissapointed, you can wall jump up the two pillars. I don't know if it helps, but it's something to mention in an ideas video like this right?

[@shelvacu]

Guess who's dumb? It's me.

[@neoxus30]

do you want honest criticism?)

[@shelvacu]

If it's to tell me that wall jumping requires A presses, I already know. Otherwise, sure.

[@palf3813]

shelvacu Other than it uses the A button, there is a ceiling that obstructs the way up, unless you gain a lot of speed from those wall kicks i dont think its possible.

[@pautriyiulia2024]

shelvacu c

[@tictok8208]

was god aware that he created the perfect human being?

[@wj11jam78]

You used a HOLP to affect Whomp's Fortress from Bobomb Battlefield. Could use use a similar technique to affect BitFS from another level?

[@Lawaleeth]

The HOLP is just a value that the game tracks, and not some special enemy. It basically tracks items in mario's hand and releases them right in front of mario when mario throws the item. Since the HOLP almost always updates in front of mario, items will definitely release in front of mario... but in cases like WF (whomp's fortress), there is a glitch called "hat in hand glitch" which puts a cap in mario's hand and prevents the HOLP from updating. So, wherever you threw an item last, that's where the next item you throw goes with the hat-in-hand glitch. Unfortunately, there are no grab-able items in the first portion of BitFS, making the HOLP completely useless.

[@darkmario720]

I guess you can say this is the final boss of the A press challenge given that this is a boss level and all

[@shootingstar7101]

Hey, Pannen, considering you seem to know literally everything about Mario 64's engine, would it be possible for you to make a fully-proper 60FPS hack/mod/code or whatever for the game?

[@0002pA]

Pretty sure the game mechanics are coupled to the FPS, so somebody who'd want to do that would have to rewrite most of the game's engine. That is, if you have the extensive knowledge necessary and possibly several months or even years of free time.

[@shootingstar7101]

At least, i've seen some gameshark codes that readjust the animation speed of some things to work with another gameshark code that enables 60FPS. So far, i've only seen codes that slow down Mario's running speed, maybe a few other animations, and the camera. Pannenkoek i'm sure could do a full 60FPS code.

[@Sminelo]

You can do it using cheat engine that makes the camera run in 60FPS.

[@UncommentatedPannen]

That's not my area of expertise. You'd have to ask Kaze

[@shootingstar7101]

Kaze had his own answer. Regardless of method for getting 60FPS, basically anything animation-related and speed-related would have to be cut in half; as the existing 60FPS code for SM64 really just makes the game run at double speed. If you could get the game running at 60FPS though, you could do much more stuff involving frame-perfect timings, or be able to do more technical stuff that would be otherwise impossible at 30FPS.

[@Viddaric]

So in case you guys didn't know, there's a Pannen fanfic now about him finally figuring out how to do BitFS X0 by effectively exploiting a creepypasta-style demon. It's pretty funny.

[@cakebox_]

I wish you'd do vocal explenations again, those were really my favorite videos

[@UncommentatedPannen]

Commentate on a channel called UncommentatedPannen? That makes literally no sense

[@cakebox_]

I did not see that oops I thought this was your regular channel! it'd still be nice if you commentated it on your other channel

[@UncommentatedPannen]

Yes, well those videos take very long to make and take a lot out of me, whereas videos on this channel can be made very easily and quickly

[@cakebox_]

understood, regardless I still enjoy your content. it's just more entertaining! but if it really takes a lot out of you I'd rather you just keep them silent, no need to stress yourself out. Thanks for the content you make!

[@spoider1315]

Does hitting lava in rapid succession cause the boost to be higher?

[@adealmusic]

nope, hitting lava just set your VS to 82 or something like that

[@Kantatzu]

Any Pedro Spots?? The grated slopes on ground floor seem promising.

[@UncommentatedPannen]

Even if there were, it wouldn't help. Pedro spots have been useful in TTC where we can use them to replace several small jumps with one big jump. But such a replacement wouldn't result in an improvement here, since it's already down to 1 A press

[@graymondgt1397]

here's how to do this in 0x A presses. counteract the A press you use with a Negative A press. How do you do a negative A press you may ask? Simple, you rip the A button out of your controller. Sm64 in 0x A presses.

[@Der_Essengeek]

Is it all ogre? Is pannenkoek finally beaten?

[@Accj21]

Never.

[@xenosonic9x414]

GloriousOgrelord Shrek SHREK'D!

[@TheyLoveThemLLC]

Is all hope lost?

[@HeyKevinYT]

Never.

[@Facu28_]

NO.

[@Omio9999]

Is there a way to move off of either the handstand or the pole-grab states, even with diving? I haven't played SM64 in so long, and don't have the hardware/controller to do it.

[@InfoTeddy]

Only way to move off is to press A (jump) or Z (drop off), and you can't drop off while doing the handstand.