Smart TVs are stupid (and what we need to do about it)

[@Caleb_Denison]

It just occurred to me that I didn’t even get into ads! Who else things we have a ton more ads coming at us on smart TVs?

[@cmaranjana]

I really like Samsung, but the ads make the UI laggy and ultimately make me want to buy other brands. My Q90T is great, but I would much rather have a 65” 240hz monitor with VRR.

[@Ravens_Hollow]

Id tather not see these at all

[@jamiedewberry6702]

Ads opens up the whole can of worms of mentioning something among friends with your phone or smart speaker or whatever near by and getting ads for that thing soon after. The proliferation of joint sales of casting services is another, so browsing say a fire stick and finding a movie or show only to learn its through another streaming platform I don’t subscribe to is annoying. I don’t know how to fix this because it is all joint agreements to protect each vendors catalog and revenue stream. It was better or at least so much easier when Netflix was really the only game in town and everything was there.

[@stopthefomo]

Like Roku overlaying its own ads on streaming content? Sadly It’s inevitable

[@nomanbroman3556]

Good call Caleb! A big reason I personally just have the external Google tv...I don't like the association/linkage of your Samsung/Prime (Amazon TV) accounts to the tv for a more intrusive approach disguised as personalization. Some of the intrusion is unavoidable but it's getting a bit too much

[@11clouds]

i would love a "monitor" option from companies, no smarts inside, even no speakers

[@H3llb0und]

^ THIS! Like I said on another comment. Just give me the best panel possible and I choose what device I plug to it.

[@jpay]

commercial displays! If you have a pretty penny

[@Spec4D]

Gigabyte Aorus F048U 48" OLED lacks smart tv features

[@H3llb0und]

@@jpay show me a commercial display that is as good as a LG C1, I'll wait.

[@dhowting]

THIS!!!!! I WANT THIS TOO!!!! I have a Pioneer ATMOS home theater and an Xbox Series X....I don't want built in Smart hub or speakers!!!! Just a single HDMI input I can run from my AVR because everything I own plugs into it!!!

[@nitrojawt]

10 out of 10 need to bring back “dumb” TVs, or at least the option to disable the Smarts (like Sony).

[@davidj.7779]

I find myself using my 5 year old "dumb" 50" TV running off a Win-10 Intel NUC much more than my far newer 70" Hisense smart TV. It's just so much cleaner, more versatile and any content is still easily available. I feel far more in control.

[@practicalguy973]

I got a Sony that has the Pro Mode option back in 2018, the first thing I did was boot it into pro mode with only the basic features. The second thing I did was get rid of the microphone remote and replaced it with a universal. Even if a hacker got into the TV they would not be able to listen to my and my family that way. Google phones and devices used to log short recordings anytime the Google assitant was triggered even accidently and the recordings could be found (the entire history in mp3) in your Google account settings. Not sure its that way anymore but I don't trust that there could be activations and its stored on the TV and oops from Google updates that cause similar issues in future. I use a HTPC for all my apps and streaming. At least that is a full firewall and security and I feel much better. I think most modern TVs also never shut off fully so they are available 24/7 to hackers in standby state. With my Sony if I unplug it from the wall and plug it back in it goes through a full boot and you see Android TV on he screen during that. When just using the remote to shut off and on, it never boots, just turns on the screen.

[@DrBernon]

@@practicalguy973 Of course it is still that way. They use those clips to train their AI.

[@practicalguy973]

@@DrBernon Not surprised. With smart appliances and cars using Google services on the rise, they will learn your habits, where you go and when, what you cook for dinner and how old the food is in your fridge. AI will have all that knowledge eventually. Home Depot just started DRM using bluetooth in power tools to apparently deter theft lol. That is the first step, next will be using an app every time you use a tool. AI will learn all those habits and tool performance metrics as that catches on in the industry.

[@chaos.corner]

Disabling (TV only mode) seems to be part of google TV (was Android TV) now. I have my doubts about how much gets disabled now. It was on my TCL TV.

[@jeffc9av]

As a smart home systems integrator for 20 years we have always recommended external smart devices like Nvidia shields or Apple TV’s. 1. They allow easy upgrades separate from the tv. 2. They are typically better performing. 3. They allow IP control from Control4 or savant control systems. 4. They are more secure. 5. They allow us to create a standard interface across multiple tv models throughout a home. (LG vs Samsung vs projector….oh yeah you forgot projectors) 6. If an Apple TV breaks, it’s easily replaceable. 7. Centralizing sources like a streaming device allows us to share them throughout the house using video distribution. So…please give us a dumb option with ultra high end visuals and super reliable IP control (or RS232) And while we are at it…remove premium sound options. We can take care of audio externally just like the “smart tv” functions. Great video👍

[@minigiant8998]

i agree, i have apple tvs on all my tvs, but the only thing is it's inconsistent to airplay pornhub from a macbook, and i cant airplay pornhub while playing music through apple tv to homepods.

[@Veeger]

Why would anyone possibly need a "Smart" tv with a blue ray player with "Smart" functions and a terrestrial recorder with "Smart" same as the rest?

[@khatharrmalkavian3306]

Consolidation is power. This trend isn't happening accidentally.

[@gibbynj3002]

Been feeling like this for years. I always add a set top box (Smart Device). I'd prefer a "Dummy TV" option. Only need online connectivity for updates.

[@BoondockSaintRyan]

100% Let us choose our "smart devices." I'll be dead before I buy a Roku powered TV.

[@space0015]

how do you play movies?

[@space0015]

@@SilkMilkJilk don't think evberyone has that

[@space0015]

@@SilkMilkJilk ok. I don't like chromecast at all

[@Jiggy609]

Exactly. I use my xbox for all my streaming and apps

[@TheChefComic]

I am glad somebody's finally talking about this, it has been an issue for a while now.

[@Novasigmia]

I can’t watch a normal spectrum I’m channel without it saying unavailable at an annoying rate

[@eliindy3851]

I totally agree with a universal implementation similar to Sony’s basic mode. Bottom line is that TV’s should 100% be usable with or without an internet connection. I’d go a step further and add a physical switch to the IO to turn off the wifi antennas like some routers do. Especially now that TV manufacturers are pushing add/suggestions/services on 50%+ of our Home Screen real estate. Speaking of, I’d like to see more options to customize home screens just like tablets/phones to completely remove unnecessary clutter. Many buy TVs for their elderly parents and I haven’t seen a single TV so far that does this well. Like I’m talking about truly simple that even a grandma can use without feeling intimidated or stupid (as they all say they do). So absolutely there’s areas for improvement.

[@robsutton3092]

I agree with you on all points. Great comment!

[@wrzl1675]

You don’t need to use any smart TV OS to use a smart TV as long as you’re using a cable box or streaming device.

[@eliindy3851]

@@wrzl1675 of course that’s true. But you would still need to learn 2 OS at least for navigation and 2 remotes for when accessing the tv menu is required. What I meant with my comment was a basic mode that is tailored more to seniors. I install TV’s for a living (you can guess where) and 8/10 times when it’s a senior person they absolutely need just the basics. LG web OS is the absolute worst for that kind of stuff. I have THOUSANDS of installations under my belt and I’m telling you man the “smarter” the TVs get the dumber they make seniors feel. Or people with mental handicap, etc…there are areas of improvement on simplicity

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

@@eliindy3851 Doesn't Roku TV's help with that?? Their menus are quite basic.

[@nathanmerritt1581]

A Bad slow sluggish tv operating system really kills it for me.

[@maximus2169]

Can anyone say vizio? Lol

[@arranstokes4080]

Webos isn't sluggish its fast as apple 4k tv

[@MikeOnTrack]

@@arranstokes4080 I have the C1. WebOS is slow. Only fast part is launching the game bar.

[@itsneight1260]

why does a slow OS kill it for you? No one uses that shit anyways when externals are 10x better and NOT expensive at all. I literally bought TWO Vizio P Series BECAUSE their UI sucked but the value on the rest of the unit was FANTASTIC. So THANKS for smack talking Vizio and getting them to drop their price for me. LUL

[@arranstokes4080]

@@MikeOnTrack it was as fast as my apple 4k tv on my cx so....

[@naantipa]

Here's a way we could improve smart TVs: give them a lobotomy. Going back to dumb TVs would solve all of this. Let the display be nothing but a display, and handle the intelligence externally with a low-cost device (Google TV, Apple TV, PC) that can be replaced as needed to keep pace with newer more demanding software. I hate the idea of being pushed out of using a high quality display because its software has gone to heck. I'm still using my sony XBR8 from 2009 and it is 100% as functional as the day I bought it because the software has never been updated. Planned obsolescence is the only reason for smart TVs, and we all know it. Improving the security flaws will not change that.

[@NotoriousRawDogger]

I have a 50 inch sony Bravia TV from 2012 that's still going strong. Best TV I have ever owned

[@Cryo837]

Bought a smart toilet dispenser called the iPoop. Knew it was a mistake when I farted and a voice said "excuse you"....

[@user-bp8yg3ko1r]

Thank you so much for talking about the Privacy and security problems on these devices. TVs, Soundbars, etc. should all have a physical hardware switches to turn off all microphones/cameras.

[@TheChefComic]

I think it's really wrong that if you want the optical settings and everything your to TV can do, you have to allow the manufacturer to access your data. That should be illegal.

[@danielballester134]

I would love to have a non smart tv with all the latest bells and whistles and pay less but that will probably never happen.

[@flanigas]

You would probably end up paying more. The manufactures make money off the ads.

[@270trevon]

@@flanigas This, the reason your 600 dollar smart TV doesn't cost 800 is because they'll feed you ads for 5+ years on that TV alone.

[@krikkenstein]

And when they’re removing features, get rid of the bad speakers to! One can dream…

[@danielballester134]

@@krikkenstein yes!

[@ryanbaker7404]

@@flanigas This right here, 100%! E.g., the Amazon Kindle is more expensive if you opt for the ad free version.

[@BoondockSaintRyan]

Words can't express my appreciation for this video. Consumer rights and our responsibility when it comes to understanding our tech is overlooked and ignored by so many every day. As a tech enthusiast, and a technician working in related fields, I can't tell you how frustrating the ignorance and lack of education on this matter is. I refer to "Smart" devices as DUMB devices every single day at work. However, the people that buy into a product at a basement level price, who expect top-tier performance, should also be held accountable. Manufacturers need to be held to higher standards. Longer warranties, less or no extensive agreements upon setup, and choice in level of features should be mandated. If our government won't do it, either because of a lack of ability to because of too many pitchforks, we need to demand it as consumers. The IoT and smart features are making everything worse, more than they are making things convenient and easy. And we could all do well with more homework before spending our hard earned money on devices.

[@Jza-GZa40k]

@not tellin I guess people who spend on cheaper TVs and expect good performances

[@Undeadwolfy_]

This was a nice change of pace from the usual spec and product review front. Some "TV theory". Would like to see more stuff like this Caleb. Good stuff 👍

[@digitaltrends]

Glad you liked it! More to come!

[@bg9919]

Huge issue. Thanks for bringing it up. I’d like an option on my LG to just let Apple TV take over as the main OS. Modular TVOS computer modules that are upgradeable would be nice.

[@canonwright8397]

All smart TVs should come with a slot in the back where you can replace the "smart" hardware for up-grade components or the OS of your choosing... like the raspberry pi.

[@speedracer2please]

I would love if just about every device could do that. We constantly have to throw things out that had perfectly good hardware still.

[@Ben-Rogue]

That's why HDMI and display port exists. The TV shouldn't need new hardware, it should just take an input and display an image

[@bikdav]

Actually, I took a shortcut. I presently have a PC laptop connected to my TV via HDMI. I’m also considering a MAC mini.

[@marksalamon619]

I have always thought that making TVs "smart" was a pointless, expensive gimmick. An accurate image and product reliability are all I really need from my TV. If I want better sound I can add a good soundbar or a home theater system. If I want a "smart" interface I can choose from a wide variety of electronic devices that I can connect to my TV. As others have said here, the only intelligence my TV needs is the ability to receive firmware updates that improve basic performance. I also have no interest in smart appliances. Our electric utility recently had a power interruption that burned out the circuit board of my sister's new refrigerator, an $800 repair. My "stupid" refrigerator remained in perfect condition.

[@practicalguy973]

Smart everything is coming. It's more important for companies to gather big data like John Deere did, corner the market and take advantage as much as possible. Also they build a detailed profile of you and can target content and ads very effectively. Soon companies will know what food you have in your fridge and when and where you bought it, what brands and when you cook it. Maybe when things get really crazy that info will be accessed by insurance companies and you'll pay more for coverage if considered unhealthy eating all the time! That is one simple example of thousands that is coming in the long term future I think with smart products.

Smart TVs make some sense when it comes to various functionality that they just make easier. I mostly watch KZbin on my TV. I stream local video content over the air via its built in media server. I often use it with my bluetooth headphones when my wife is remote working and needs silence. I would need a separate device for all of this if it was just a dumb screen.

[@mpf1947]

"the only intelligence my TV needs is the ability to receive firmware updates that improve basic performance." And it should only need that if it literally outlives the current broadcast standard.

[@evm6177]

@@practicalguy973 Definitely count the government survallance and deep state in along with the insurance bozos. 🍷

[@evm6177]

@@gags730 🍷Besides whatever happened to curved screens? Don't hear much about them these days. The obvious thing I hate are the widescreen ratio options that always leave me wanting for more vertical height no matter how big the TV screen is. Never quite satisfies the true theater screening experience, something just never felt right with modern Tv screen ratios in general.

[@richroggio]

Hi Caleb, I use Apple TV4K with my old Sony Bravia XBR 5 and HomePod stereo speakers.

[@raanansover4287]

Caleb, you bring up a very valid point. I will even say it is a major one for the elderly who are not as tech savvy as most of your viewers are. For them, a Smart TV is a nightmare. Where are the days when you just pressed the On/Off button and rotated the dual to the desired channel? That sort of simplicity is what is missing

[@zybch]

I set up a TCL set not long ago, for an older couple. The included Google TV thing is totally disastrous for simple TV watching, there seems no way to just have the TV turn on and go direct to broadcast TV, instead you have to run an 'app' for TV. So frustrating for these guys, and I'd imagine most other regular folks too.

[@petersonfamily6223]

@@zybch I ran into the same thing setting up for an older person and the Google TV screen was overwhelming for them. They thought they could watch everything there and didn't understand those were only links to shows Google believes they would be interested in and they may not own them. Turned it Google TV to App Only but it is still an exercise to just get the FIOS cable to work properly. Sorry I have to run because the phone is ringing for TV support. And I thought the days of the VCR having be on Channel 3 or 4 were tough to explain.

[@spirittammyk]

This is my problem. My elderly mother hates cell phones and prefers an old fashion house phone, which I am glad that I can still set up. Her "dumb" TV broke after 20 years of use and nearly all the stores around me are selling nothing but "smart" TV's and she hates them. I have to now go out of my way to Best Buy which has the only dumb TV in town so she has something simple to work with. Unfortunately, most other people I know have smart TV's and they love them, so I think this trend will continue until the software updates stop and they are forced to get another TV, which will become a burden on most families.

[@illegalalien6542]

I agree, smart TVs nowadays are just another glorified advertising tool with the same recycled tech disguised as the latest and greatest.

[@meisdan]

Thank you so much for bringing this up! I subscribed to this channel initially for reviews of TVs that I can never buy. But this time you really open my eyes to something much more important and serious. I believe it is a great service to many casual tech users who are yet to understand what it means for TVs, or even a lot more appliances, going 'smart'. The update issue that forces ppl to retire their TVs, the security and privacy issues. A lot more things must be done to address the issues. I think both the consumers and the law makers would need to act, so as to ensure that we do not fall into some sort of techno-dystopia.

[@davidj.7779]

Good Points. I, for one can not understand why anyone would allow an Amazon Ecco or similar device into their private domain. Convenience? Well, kind of but I wish people would understand the true cost of the privacy given up and the enduring data dossier detailing your private life.

[@rossbanta4759]

I've never used a TV's apps for content. Anything I watch I do it through a device. Same goes for speakers. I never use the TV speakers, no matter how good they are, because even the best TV speakers can't really match an affordable soundbar. I'm looking to buy a new one in the next year or so, and the only thing I really care about is: does it have HDMI 2.1, eArc, and all the HDR formats, 120Hz. Everything else doesn't matter. If you could strip away all that extra stuff, would that reduce the cost of the TV? As far as software, I'd rather have some ability for the TV to self calibrate using my phone's camera or some such rather than run Netflix.

[@ritwikreddy5670]

If you strip them, they would cost more since they are subsidized by ads.

[@randallsmith2521]

I'm a 3rd party vendor w/ a TV manufacturer selling their TVs in a major retailer on the weekends. This is something I mention to folks often when they start asking questions about it. Some people think that they need a new TV when all they need to do is plug in a Roku or Firestick.

[@alter-ego-]

Awesome and much needed content! Apple TVs interface is best among all. I use built in OS in my Samsung Frame tv since I don't want to spent more after buying an expensive TV. Features I like to see on all TVs: 1. One touch switch between cable and streaming services. 2. LG like pointer interface 3. Apple tv/Google tv like interface where I can search a title across all streaming services. 4. A single place to keep my watch list. 5. Decent in-built speakers

[@ethanmoore7833]

I Absolutely agree! I'm so glad this topic was brought up. Ever since smart TVs became widespread, I have been saying I would much rather buy a regular tv and use a streaming device.

[@jagratsoni]

I recently bought sony x85J. But yeah, only using it with firestick of course.

[@MayaPosch]

When I first saw 'smart TVs' appearing, I thought they were a bit of a gimmick. Then suddenly every 'TV' is now a 'Smart TV'. Heck, I'd say that the streaming contracts and advertising deals 'TV manufacturers' have these days are an essential part of their business plan by now. Smart TVs are also why I'm not remotely interested in TVs these days. If I'll want a big screen at some point, I'll get a Large Format Gaming Monitor, as they're called instead. They're now the 'dumb TVs', it would seem. That said, they have all the features a regular ol' TV used to have, like a screen, and inputs and a remote control. Maybe not a tuner, but heck, who still watches TV these days? :) I feel that hooking up an HTPC of some description (even an old laptop or desktop PC) is in so many ways superior to the 'Smart TV' experience. Not only do you get to stream from the same 'apps' as with a 'Smart TV', but you also control the hardware, the OS and its updates. Leaving that to some random manufacturer would seem... unwise, to put it mildly. Plus you can also play games and other things on this HTPC, using your own Steam or GoG library or DOSBox or whatever. So much better than one of those dumb 'Smart TVs', if you ask me.

[@LarsonChristopher]

Or get a Sony projector - no apps. Set it correct = OLED quality.

[@MayaPosch]

@@LarsonChristopher Projectors keep getting 'smarts' added too these days. And that's when you even have a setup that lends itself to using a projector.

[@dg-hughes]

"who still watches TV these days?" me sometimes, but less each year, mostly live news and also it feels more real-time less lonely for some reason. My elderly mother only watches TV never anything streaming. If there is an update or if mom presses a wrong button and a menu pops up she has to call me to ask how to get out of it.

[@completelymindfucked]

"who still watches TV these days?" Let me stop you right there. If that is the case, then you probably have another huge problem: no quality public tv.

[@LarsonChristopher]

@@completelymindfucked 4k over the air is coming out soon, ATC3.0 tuner needed. 2-3 years for small towns.

[@JuraIbis]

Please return to long form videos, this deserved a good half hour analysis in depth.

[@alter-ego-]

Features I like to see on all TVs: 1. One touch switch between cable and streaming services. 2. LG like pointer interface 3. Apple tv/Google tv like interface where I can search a title across all streaming services. 4. A single place to keep my watch list. 5. Decent in-built speakers

[@ownerr8441]

Someone finally mentioned internal speakers. I think this is important, why should I have to go out and buy a sound bar when they can create a decent sound. However now I am see the return of decent sound on Tv, Sony got their acoustic surface audio and Samsung in 2022 will be coming out with Dolby Atmos on the internal speakers.

[@garethjones2746]

Bought my smart tv around 2017, screen is great however after time the apps such as Netflix and KZbin became very slow as the hardware hasn’t kept up with software, plus Disney plus doesn’t work on it so it was supposed to be a new tv £600 but then I discovered a fire stick for £15 runs everything perfect, be careful as I nearly threw away a perfectly good tv

[@kendricrautomusprime]

“Smart TVs” have never been smart, we as the user have to do all the work. I agree with what is being stated.

[@lawrencev.athill7502]

This is an exceptional video young man. Please expand this topic. Kudos 👍

[@chrismaiers4020]

This is fantastic! I've often thought about this very topic following the FBI's bulletin. Myself I prefer to keep my applications on all platforms (PC, smartphone, TV, streaming device) to a minimum to minimize security risks. I think you have to approach this from a few angles. 1) TV operating systems should have to meet a minimum security standard; 2) Our home networks need to have active monitoring to detect and address unusual activity from connected devices; 3) TV OS platforms need to agree to support a TV operating system and SoC for a minimum of seven years from date of purchase; 4) Any external streaming device needs to maintain backwards connectivity compatibility for TV inputs for the previous ten years of HDMI (or whatever else arises) standards; 5) TV manufacturers need to offer free scanning tools to check TVs for malware; 6) TV manufacturer application listings need to ensure that any and all applications are vetted such as those on Google Play or the Apple App Store.

[@an3k]

I think a small but well written law would help a lot. Something like "manufacturers have to provide security updates for at least 10 years after the customers purchase and release those not later than the updates for their newest or highest-end products".

[@mahumike7531]

try to get that past a republican lol

[@BoondockSaintRyan]

Or better yet.....have all features advertised work, regardless of software version, and implement real warranties. Like, 5 years minimum! We shouldn't need 3-4 updates for our 4k120hz or Dolby Atmos support to work. Either the TV has it, or it doesn't.

[@Nwordplzplz]

@@BoondockSaintRyan I couldn't agree more. That's why you always buy a TV based on what's available the moment you take it out of the box instead of waiting on future firmware updates.

[@stanleybostitch9307]

I dont even plug my tv into the internet. I use a roku box for streaming. Maybe its better these days, but the built in aps always felt slower and more clunky than something dedicated to streaming.

[@itaco8066]

Yes! Thank you for talking about this topic, 2020 & 2021 Samsung TVs are so frustrating with their connectivity issues and the low cpu performance. most definitely NOT smart TV

[@maggie2244]

EXCELLENT video. This is a huge problem, thank you for bringing it up. I’m seriously considering my recently purchased LG my first time having a smart TV because of this problem exactly. It shouldn’t be this complicated to watch TV, and we should not be at the mercy of software for long term use.

[@arxaaron]

Thanks for calling attention to this massive annoyance. I see the corporate lock in to content providers and their various Destructive Restriction Mechanisms (DRM) as the core of the problem. I've recently searched extensively for an "intellegent" TV (as opposed to Smart TV) and they are nowhere to be found -- apparently the content provider subsidies and licensing deals provide too much profiteering incentive. Separation between content providers and content carriers, e.g. Net Neutrality and passive delivery devices, is a necessity for resolving this expanding disease of privacy invasion and consumer abuse.

[@PhilippayFiasco]

I use mostly the native apps on my TVs. I use my console for crunchy roll and yeah the LG not having HBO max was irritating for a while. The common user may not have the luxury of overlap of having a smart tv, 2 next gen consoles and maybe an external streaming device. I agree with the issues brought up in this video.

[@petersonfamily6223]

So funny my older Samsung didn't have some of the Apps like HBOMax, Disney+, and others available. I purchased and set up a Fire Cube to have access to those apps and some others. You can do the same thing with a gaming console but I don't have a console on every TV. .

[@profmoustache5217]

Same feeling here, thanks for bringing that up with this video! 👍

[@origamicrane685]

Absolutely spot on. I was just beating my head against a wall because I couldn't get my mom's "smart" Samsung TV to download the Disney+ app. A few KZbin videos later I realized that even though it's a 2015 UHD flat screen that works perfectly, it's too old to run Disney+ (womp, womp). Thanks to one of your other videos we are bypassing the TV's dated OS and purchasing a new Apple TV box that does have the hardware and software to run Disney+.

[@chriskybusiness4120]

That's a pretty cool shirt, Caleb's gotten some real style going for him lately

[@Zoranurai13]

Step one keep your tv offline and use it as a good looking monitor Step two just buy a media player that controls cec Step three, win

[@rickyserna1734]

thank you for the teaching

[@JamesOKeefe-US]

Excellent commentary! This is one of the many reasons why I love this channel. Great job! 👍

[@dgw4049]

I've been really happy with Sony Android TV implementation. Vizio is trash though.

[@CarlosMoreno-nz3gj]

I never use the build in apps. Always an external device...( Shield tv)

[@XE-4]

Thank you, Caleb and team! This issue needs addressing.

[@rem9882]

This was a needed video. Thank you

[@digitaltrends]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Shadowninja1200]

Not really a bad experience exactly but both my smart tvs (from like 2015-2017) are worse then using a console or computer when it comes to apps and I don't appreciate the fact that I can't update them anymore (they're still decent picture quality so why get rid of them?). Ads are a big concern for me whenever I upgrade in the future as I don't really want to get blasted in the face with ads as soon as I hit power on the remote. Security is also a issue as I don't need a device that's a liability in my own home. It's kind of to the point where I'm actually thinking about getting a apple tv (so I can do airplay as well as have a decent experience on netflix). Also hdr is kind of a big issue too; One of my tv was advertised as having hdr10 only to find out that the peak brightness is 400 nit and it only really does "hdr" by accepting a hdr signal (and looks worse then sdr due to no wide color gamut and low peak brightness). We need a tighter standard on HDR instead of this wishy washy "is it really hdr" game that I'm currently trying to play with on buying a second monitor eventually.

[@trailblazercombi]

Don't forget the "HDMI 2.1a" debacle while you're at it...

[@DragonboltBlastter]

Just get rid of all the bloatware! (sorry, I mean ''apps''). - Cheaper TVs - More stable - Better privacy If you REALLY want these stuff, then get yourself a laptop an an extra HDMI cable.

[@Stars-Mine]

getting rid of bloat ware would not make cheaper TVs, they are cheap because of the smart features these days. The rest is still true

[@ownerr8441]

@@Stars-Mine I think with or without the smart features the price will be the same. They use these smart feature to generate more profit. So basically they are advertising to us.

[@robertorossi4361]

Very good video Caleb. The basic setup idea is a good one. There should always be a way to switch between inputs and picture functions without getting into the smart TV OS, and on some brands/models, maybe there already is. That being said, (without having done any research myself) I don't think it's very common that TV OS:s gets messed up. But as a fail safe, still being able to still use the TV in such a case is of course a plus. Cameras on TVs that can't easily be disconnected (physically) or have their lense covered is a very bad idea. Same goes for a microphones, although I think most TVs (up until now at least) that has one, has it built in to the remote control rather than on that actual TV. That will most likely change however, since more people tend to work from home now, and are more likely to use their TVs in multiple ways (voice in gaming, job meetings etc etc) where a microphone on the actual TV "could" become more useful. This is kind of basic stuff though, so I think most manufacturers are clever enough to figure this out. When it comes to ads I think it should be possible to turn them off completely. That being said, I am using both a Sony bravia and an LG Oled, and as of yet I can't really say I've had a problem with that, apart from annoying KZbin ads, but that's not really what we are talking about here. What bothers me more is going between the different remotes and different smart TV OS:es, it's a hassle. ;-) #welfareproblems

[@TheRealE.B.]

The portability of a desktop gaming rig... The privacy and security concerns of a smartphone... The user interface of a Gameboy Advance... The business model of a sketchy social media company... The startup speed of a coal-fired power plant... The reliability of 90s-era dial-up Internet downloads... It's THE SMART TV! Our next TV is going to be a computer monitor.

[@maximm.6969]

I just had that conversation 2 weeks ago. I would love to have a "dumb" TV with no smartfeatures at all besides Software updates and of corse image enhancments and add my own streaming device. This way I could have the OS that I want with the TV that I want without having it be slowed down by heavy software and could just upgrade the streaming device if I felt like I need an upgrade.

[@LarsonChristopher]

Get a sony pro display.

[@maximm.6969]

@@LarsonChristopher I mean from what I see they are double the price of an similar non pro model. If money would not be an issue than I would just upgrade the TV every year. But thanks fot he suggestion non the less

[@ritwikreddy5670]

@@maximm.6969 if we even ever get a dumb tv, they are going to be MORE expensive than smart tv's. Why? Because tv's are subsidized by their contracts with streaming platforms. I would suggest to just get a tv that would go directly to hdmi ( most tv's), and plug your streaming device as you would like to.

[@rsolsjo]

I use an Xbox Series X, and actually keep the wifi turned off on the TV unless I'm using specific apps or updating it. No use hogging more wifi needlessly.

[@ardemus]

100% - One big frustration is those TOS contracts. I can't use half of the products and services out there these days because I do read them, and they're not acceptable. It says a lot that the click wrap software never has the option to decline the TOS. It's designed as a hoop to jump through, not a decision that people will really make (Do you accept the TOS, Yes or Yes). Another is feature changes are forced, bundled with necessary bug fixes, or can't be rolled back. Consumers deserve the right to the software, hardware, and services that were in place at the time they purchased the product. If I buy a $1000 TV, no-one should be able to change the features of that product without my permission. If I can't choose to use software and services that were in place when I made my purchasing decisions, I should have the option to return the product for a full refund of the hardware and unused service fees. Google and Sony lost me as a future customer with exactly that sort of nonsense when they added advertisements to my expensive Bravia TV home screen 3 years after I purchased it. They even added a special flag so, while it appears in the list of home screen features, it can't be turned off (unlike all of the other home screen features). Google is doing many other things that discourage me from using its other products too, like nasty contracts on some of their services and apps, and updates on my expensive Chromebook that are making what was a powerful and snappy product into something that's slow, runs hot, and has a terrible battery life.

[@dingoboy]

I love the wooden stand the TVs in your videos are sitting on! Where did you get it from?

[@artarealmblazer8452]

LG turning webOS’s clean ribbon into a full screen spread with ads and apps from different ecosystems is one of the worst unforced errors a television maker has ever made. And this clown actually championed it.

[@xephyrxero]

I really like how Benq has been handling this, by shipping a separate streaming stick along with their projectors. You don't have to install it if you don't want it

[@kirkegodfrey414]

Nice work. Thank you

[@juanalvarado3368]

Dude, all good points. One that has just bugged the heck out of me is that damn handshake between devices like your TV and soundbar, i.e. CEC. Weird that there is one standard to rule them all.

[@michaellatta]

We do not use any built in apps. We watch all our content on Apple TV because it tracks what we are watching accross all apps, has no adds, and works well with our other apple devices.

[@SaifDia]

Apple TV 4K is a must in my book if you’re buying a high-end TV and care enough

[@michaelpalermo9278]

Then you’re stuck with that “dumb” remote control.

[@SaifDia]

@@michaelpalermo9278 hdmi cec

[@ryanmw64]

We use Apple TV 4K for streaming and we use the remote from my TV instead of from the ATV.

[@michaelpalermo9278]

@@SaifDia so I bought the Sony A80J OLED. I have it setup with all wireless Sonos speakers. The Soundbar, the surrounds and the Sub. I have no streaming device. I use the remote that came with the TV to control everything. It’s been SO nice to have one remote for everything. The streaming through the TV has been very smooth.

[@scullybonz]

I just got a smart TV for the first time last December and have since left it disconnected from the internet so I don’t have to see ads/suggestions every time I turn it on. Yet somehow they find a way to bug you with an annoying “Set up your TV now!” banner that never goes away

[@scullybonz]

I love how manufacturers have to include these features to sell their product but don’t give the option to disable them unless you turn Everything off. Obviously you can’t include an option because it would make people think there is an underlying reason why they need to (harming brand image) but it’s almost a necessity in 3-4 years when the interface is too sluggish to be usable. I’m honestly just thankful that AirPlay/Display Mirroring is found on most brands and can be used without connecting to the internet.

[@travisfaircloth8341]

I think several of the drawbacks to smart TVs you mentioned can be attributed to the silent wars going on in the background among the tech and media companies for the licenses to content. My wife and I bought a LG C1, but exchanged it for the color accuracy, but more subtle color, of the Sony A80J. We use the TVs apps where we can but also use the Roku TV to stream Spectrum Cable and some other apps.

[@flemlion13]

Making the hardware more open for alternative firmware might be an option, like Cyanogen firmware keeps android phones alive a lot longer than the manufacturers

[@Aaron-lf2qg]

I´ve been using the apple tv 4k second generation and it´s great. TVos is just so much better!

[@da900smoove1]

I have to agree with this alot... I currently use a external internet device to access Prime, KZbin, Netflix for my 60" 2014 Plasma but it is limited in adding apps...And a family member purchased a TCL Smart TV 2yrs ago just to have it suffer multiple issues and become basically a Bluray Playback device only...my next TV will be OLED 65" When I'm feeling this Plasma just isn't Sharp Enough for Majority of Broadcast Satellite Signals

[@wjc303909]

Awesome video and topic. Am looking forward to your followup.

[@digitaltrends]

Thank you!

[@captainzib]

I don’t use built in tv apps. If I could buy a dumb tv with a great screen and save a few bucks, I would.

[@bradhaines3142]

itd cost you money, they make buckets off of ads

[@MrDexterSr]

Apple TV on all of my tvs. Slick user interface and we get the same experience no matter what tv we’re using

[@michaelpalermo9278]

Yeah, but the remote control sucks.

[@ReneNieuwenhuis]

@@michaelpalermo9278 Apple Watch 👍🏼

[@MrDexterSr]

@@michaelpalermo9278 i never use the remote. The iPhone works perfectly!

[@michaelpalermo9278]

@@MrDexterSr does the iPhone turn your tv on?

[@MrDexterSr]

@@michaelpalermo9278 yessir it does. As long as your TV supports CEC, you can turn and off your tv from the iPhone’s digital remote

[@VeitLehmann]

Awesome video, I agree 100% with everything you said! A TV should be as sustainable as possible. Some trends are already good: 1. People are buying streaming sticks for handling most of their smart TV needs. 2. There's consolidation happening on the platform market: Android TV and Roku are being adopted by more and more manufacturers, so with less operating systems on the market and more market share for each, there's more motivation to keep them updated and secure. But the current state of those systems is not nearly there yet, so that's where we need to see improvement happening. I just bought a Panasonic JZW2004, because it's very solid hardware, it has a snappy, responsive operating system, and it's one of the few options that are also great for linear TV. Also, there's no user account needed to access apps, and there are not a lot of ads. And I hope that being a premium TV, it'll be supported for a long time. As soon as it doesn't receive updates anymore, switching to a streaming stick will be easy. Time will tell if I made the right decision. If I'd had more cash, I'd go for a small German company: Metz. They build premium hardware and have a minimal, streamlined approach to software. There's no app store, no ads, just HbbTV and a browser. And it does linear TV really well (something that's getting less and less important for most companies). For anything streaming, they tell you to use something like a Fire TV stick, and their remote will seamlessly work with it. If I had less money to spend, I'd probably go for a snappy, minimal system again, like Roku or Vidaa U, and as soon as the OS doesn't get any updates anymore, I'd switch to using a streaming stick for all things related to internet/streaming, and reset the TV and cut any internet connection from it, effectively making it a dumb TV. So why not Android TV when I first said I like that it's getting more and more market share? With limited and quickly aging hardware in a TV, it's just too sluggish most of the time, and I think that inside of a TV it's just trying to do too much. However, I think it's an awesome OS for a streaming stick that you can replace every couple of years.

[@denny1006]

For me biggest issues are: 1.reliability( this new Tvs after 2 max years getting glitchy, staggering, burnt outs and they are ready for bin) -lack of efficiency 2. Security/Privacy- you are getting maybe 2 years update, in first year maybe 3 updates, in second year 1 or 2 updates and that's it 3.ads -Oh my God, what to say about that?! Tvs can't follow with bad and weak CPUs and GPUs. It's getting overwhelmed with so many features plus ads. This is getting a bigger issue, cuz people are more and more using tvs as their monitor for gaming, work and meetings and that is okey, once you try flagship TV, example gaming, you don't want anything else. The question is: How fast will TVs become main things for everything in households. When TVs become majority for work gaming, work and meetings that is the Day when competition will have to pleasure our need for efficency, reliability and satisfaction not for 2 years, but at least for 5 years. Great content and awareness as always! Keep going Caleb, great shirt BTW! 😀

[@AthifKhan]

Totally valid points. Have been thinking for a while as to why no one was talking about it.

[@GregRband]

Caleb, I think this was a great video to bring awareness to a BIGGER issue with modern tech and privacy issues...... I love the idea of a basic tv with all the visual features included, maybe a temp login access for updates (emailed notices) for tv itself....function, software fixes, etc..... then, more of a reliance on the consumers choice of separate streaming platform via chrome cast, roku, apple, fire, etc.... I couldn't agree more with what you are bringing up! Sucks to be stuck into a tv that doesn't do something, or gets outdated on a platform/software level, etc.... Or the Double/Triple platform setup that leaves a little to be desired with cross use, remotes, hit and miss functionality, etc! Good Show buddy!

[@GregRband]

Could this be done currently by simply signing out or disconnecting the main tv platform from wifi? I know, some loss of features, but if using a plug in HDMI device.... the best all around until things get better?

[@johannesmariomeissner7262]

Loving these discussion videos while we wait for the 2022 models to arrive. Super stoked about the A90K and C2. I'd have a suggestion for how you end your videos. It's cool that you offer two more videos to click on, but unless we pause the video, there's not nearly enough time to read the title and make a click decision. How about extending the duration there?

[@draintheswamp1588]

Based on your reviews of the Hisenses U series, I bought the U8G at Best Buy. It was back ordered for months. I think it was out on a barge in Long Beach. I ended up with the U7G. I installed Cinema HD and Sterling TV and love it. I used to use my laptop hooked to my TV with one HDMI wire. On it I've got AdBlocker so NO INTERRUPTIONS during KZbin clips or movies. I can't install that on my Hisense and I don't know why it won't install but I have my suspicions why it's blocked. It is cool to say "hey Google, turn up the TV" or some command like that.

[@mamborambo]

Excellent points you raised!

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Smart TV's have never been usable. I have always relied on an external streaming box, an external box can be replaced when something better comes out for not much money. I believe smarts should be removed altogether. As Elon Musk says, the best part is no part. Streaming boxes are hidden behind the TV anyway. One solution would be to have a user replaceable module so the smart system can be upgraded (or removed).

[@jonweigand3712]

My Sony A8H is mostly used as a monitor, via HDMI from a AV Pre-Amp which does the switching between the sources, using a sound system. So I have not used the TV features at all. My previous "TV" was actually a KURO 60 inch monitor only as it did not have a tuner and worked great that way.

[@1Aquadon]

Thanks Caleb!

[@GopherM]

I have DirecTV Streaming and I use the apps on it. It is less complicated than using the same apps on my LG where I have to sort through more things just to get to the app I want. Plus when I want to go back to the direct feed I have to re-select the input I want.

[@WhiteScytheBlack]

I couldn’t agree more. I bought a vizio tv a year or so ago, and while the picture is great, the software experience is awful. It’s not even that smart cast is slow (which it is) or has limited apps and no App Store, but the actual tv software itself is super buggy. It sometimes doesn’t turn on or locks up the remote, and will require unplugging/plugging back in or a full reset every month. And yeah that’s not that huge a deal to do, but i bought a product expecting it to work reasonably and reliably, I shouldn’t have to reset everything except maybe once a year just to freshen things up. I bought an Apple TV and the experience is light years ahead of whatever chipset they use in the television and I’ll never use a smart tv OS again.

[@overnightdelivery]

I have a 65" Vizio that won't even connect to the streaming apps anymore. My internet connection is fine and it says it's connected on the TV. But the Vizio apps will simply not run saying it can't connect to the internet. The screen also randomly turns off watching regular TV, even though the sound is still working. All this built-in smart tech is making TVs less reliable.

[@gordonpatterson4425]

I have a 2016 KS8000 Samsung. I use the native apps for the majority of my content. I have to use my 4K firestick for the newer apps that the TV doesn't support. I have gotten the settings right where I want them for the native apps. On the firestick, it is not quite the same and I can't seem to dial out the "soap opera" effect. I will live with this as the TV is pretty old and I am looking to see your reviews on the newer 2022 monitors. Trying to hold out for newer technologies as long as possible. Unlike the newer TVs, I don't have ads or other things cluttering up the interface.

[@michaelbois9124]

Very nice and informative article...

[@youngdark3]

Great video 👍

[@jaseaquino]

I have a 2016 model Samsung 4K TV. Still very decent TV today but after 5 years of usage, you can see some problems such as I'm having a playback issue with KZbin that it keeps closing the app and some newer streaming apps that are only compatible with newer models (this TV can do content casting but limited as some streaming apps preferred Chromecast built in). Plus, some apps are now being stripped down for older TVs to enhance UI stability and as Netflix only updates the UI via its server side, it rarely updates the app via the built-in store app. I'm thinking of purchasing a new streaming dongle or a regular Chromecast (without Google TV) as I can still use Netflix, KZbin and Spotify directly on TV.

[@mahumike7531]

Im old and so is my smart tv so let me know if this is still the case but the first thing that bugs the hell out of me is being old enough to remember the first "instant on" televisions, yet now Im back to waiting for the TV to "warm up" like the old days before its actually on.

[@tmark33m]

Caleb. I purchased the 77" Sony Bravia OLED mainly based on your reviews vs all the rest. This one had the sweet spot of price and function. While I love this TV.. LOVE IT.. I have had some issues of late where 1. the Wifi just drops and 2. one time I wasn't even able to find any wifi networks, which points at a wifi adapter card error.. question is, has this been a documented issue, was it fixed and is there anything I can do about it? It's probably done this about 4 times in 2 months. - Mark

[@perryholloway540]

I bought a Vizio TV 3 years ago, bought it at Walmart and who incidentally closed one month later. I was told this TV will do anything, I'm a truck driver so I did not need cable I wanted the antenna TV. The TV was about 13 or 14 hundred dollars. I hooked it up and no picture would come in. Come to find out it doesn't even have a tuner in it, so in the last 3 years I've had to buy three tuners from Best buy, all three tuners burnout exactly one year later I bought all 3 in May of 2022 2023 2024, they're selling these sets as TVs, but if the TV doesn't have a tuner. I don't believe it's a TV. It's a monitor. Beware stay away from Vizio.

[@allenhilburn8686]

I have a smart TV, but I'm really considering getting a non-smart TV. I have 4 devices plugged into it a PS3, PS4, Cable box, and a Firestick that recently replaced a Roku device. The FireTV that basically do the same thing only better and in the case of the Firestick, much better. So in reality all that is needed is a really good display with a lot of HDMI connections and the ability to support external speaker systems and respond to commands like on/off and volume from an external device like a Firestick, Roku, etc. Would be very interested in a video on a setup that would accomplish this. Excellent video!

[@jj5249]

Thank you for addressing the security issue. I agree with a lot of what you address and I think we can get into a better place but, it will take some time. I felt this way a few years back but I hope this gets addressed more in the near future.

[@AntonioCunningham]

As long as they don't do the whole "force restart" I'm good. Security people forget that removing usability for security means people will avoid all security or not use said product. For example, I had to use an outdated OS because Microsoft would "force restart" my PC and made doing anything on the PC worthless.

[@jj5249]

@@AntonioCunningham I really like your comment because it perfectly encapsulates what I think and feel about this ‘smart TV’ craze. It has become so tedious to do tasks on a ‘smart TV’ that I cannot even manage downloads with being interrupted about internet connections or other issues. What happened to the days of just turning on a T.V and it working fine even with games? I understand recent videos address this but it is still concerning as a consumer. As a consumer I respect an easy setup and a lasting product. I don’t want things to feel like my phone that I HAVE to update things every so often. Make it last and make it so I can enjoy apps without having to constantly update using up space and taking away my freedom as a consumer. DREAM BIG!!!!

[@sean9421]

Digging the content, would love to see you explore some of these things in greater detail. Especially for those who want more than just “look at this new tv that makes your one year old tv obsolete” haha

[@mydigitalanalog]

I have a fairly new Sony tv with Google tv OS, a fairly new Yamaha receiver with chromecast and airplay built in, a roku ultra, chrome cast ultra and ps5. Depending on convenience I’ve been using the built-in apps for most one-off movies or shows. But if we plan on binging hours of shows, we switch to the roku, because the tv ends up getting audio sync issues after several hours. Haven’t really streamed much from ps5, mainly cause if the ps5 is on, I’m gaming on it. The chromecast ultra is primarily used just for stadia, and the receiver for casting only music when I don’t want to turn on the tv.

[@blingdream8637]

I just bought the TCL 6 series with Google OS. Any privacy settings that should be tweaked out of the box?

[@JeremyLeePotocki]

I've been saying since the beginning of the "smart TV" that it's a dumb idea. The main reason why these manufactures want them installed is rather simple 1. They want you to buy a new TV like a cell phone (one to two years) by making sure that it's not upgradeable in 1-2 years 2. They harvest your data (even if you opt out) to make more profit, and/or get their money back if their selling them at a loss hardware wise. 3. They have more control of how you use your set, or even be able to fix/setup your TV. 4. ADs that don't even need to be explained in detail & falls into the third reason. I've always recommended to people to look for a TV without the smart features if your going over 32 inches even if it's a older model, getting a PC monitor if it's 32 inches or lower with a good small soundbar/PC Speakers , or going for a cheap 1080p~4K projector. Then you can hook up any external streaming, HDTV Tuner, and/or a cheap HTPC. Android/Google TV boxes become obsolete within 1-2 years so it's best to save money, and throw away a small device creating as little E-Waste as possible rather than a huge TV while wasting hundreds of dollars. The smartest way is a cheap SFF PC they'll last for up to ten plus years without the need to upgrade anything except software and can run Android X86 for those that want to use apps instead of a browser. Then connect a small stereo receiver with decent speakers to the onboard sound for a better sound than most commercial sound bars.

[@6768scat]

Thanks Caleb , I was just talking about this all week . I purchased a new Sony X91J 85" TV for my dedicated home theater and it has been a total nightmare !!! I have a full 7.3.4 Atmos set up consisting of , Denon AVR-X3700H + Denon POA-8300 three chan. power amp (powering the front stage)with a Sony BD-X800 M2 Blue Ray player and a brand new Fire TV Max and it is controlled with a Harmony Elite remote , and every time it turn on the system the TV decides to pick what source I am using !?!?! The remote tells it to use HDMI 4 input but it sees the fire stick and the Blue Ray player and usually picks the player instead of the Fire TV !!!! I just need this TV to be a video display and nothing more , just give me the best picture it can produce and the rest of my system will do the rest!!!! I do not understand why these TV manufacturers don't have a way to simply turn off the smart/stupid TV functions , or better yet offer the same TV as a video display only , call it Theater View -no smart features and no speakers etc . We pay for all this stuff we don't need and it just makes setting up a home theater 10x harder !!!!! Love your show and the stuff you cover !!!!!!

[@atilius11]

hi, I am thinking to buy a miniLED TV , 65", I cannot fit the 75" in the space i want, but I am very confused of what to buy or to look for in 2022. Also, i'm from Europe and especially TCL models are branded a bit different? so, am I lookin for Samsung 90A/B , Hisense U8QF/H , Sony X95K or TCL C821 or TCL X10 (that is double in price compared to C821) ? Also, another dumb restriction, I need a VESA standard of: 200 x 200 / 400 x 200 / 300 x 300 / 400x400 so the Samsung vesa standard of 300x400 is not ok for me

[@bradhaines3142]

i had a vizio when smart tvs were a new thing. the smarts crapped out in about 3 years, but the tv still works. most apps literally cant run on it anymore because they updated out of the tvs abilities. the display still works fine

[@overnightdelivery]

Exact problem. Smart TV apps no longer run even with a good internet connection. Regular TV works ok MOST of the time but lately the screen has been randomly turning off, with sound still working. Needs to be rebooted to work again. Smart BS is making TVs slow and less reliable.

[@umi3017]

My projector, working as TV in my home, never have connected to internet, and I'm glad it can open up straight into HDMI mode, unlike the one I have early need to switch every time start up. In contract some TV in my working place we use to show ppts to pilot students have build in ads have to show 20s on every start up, and we had a laser projector that once get it self into ad-mode when Boeing's guy are doing their presentation here

[@curbsidetech]

Awesome video we need more security for smart tv's and the option to have non smart tvs!