5 Reasons Why I'll NEVER Buy An Emissions Engine Truck!

[@SmartTrucking]

Hello Driver. So glad you were able to spare some time to drop by to catch today's upload. What is your take on the Emissions Friendly Engines? what have your experiences been with them? Love to hear your thoughts.

[@Curt-ge9gc]

I have been operating 38 of the 50 1986 Peterbilt 359's my Dad bought new. Along with 2 1985 Autocar AT64 and 5 1985 W900. All with Fully Mechanical Cat 3406B and Spicer 6x4 Transmissions.

[@jaynelson8304]

I had an accert cat and sold it to buy a 1996 Pete with a redtop Cummins. Best move I made in 35 years of owning trucks! When I purchased it, it was in desperate need of an overhaul. My local shop overhauled it with genuine Cummins parts and I replaced everything including air compressor, turbo, water and oil pumps for less than $17,000. It's set at 525 hp and gets over 7 mpg. And NO emissions BS!

[@gregoryholliday6017]

I am from the government, we are here to help you!

[@robkat8884]

Caterpillar saw the writing on the wall!

[@Brararaf101]

I was talking to owner operator he kept emphasizing get truck with warranty

[@Anthony-bs2tn]

Paying for right now, sitting in the hotel, waiting for this new KW to be fixed, again, last time they fixed it it worked for an hour and broke again.

[@johnathanganziano7016]

I agree 💯

[@jamesgullo8240]

The same government that gave us DEF also messed up the basic gasoline can.

[@jamestate75]

Listen to this guy. He knows what He's taking about. I guit in 2020 after 23years over the road.

[@diyoverhauler5432]

They catch fire too

[@stephenwilliams4067]

Don't blame the engine manufacturers for these problems. These companies were mandated by the government to produce smoke free emissions engine. It all goes back to government control 😮😢

[@dronetrucker]

02 International 9200i, Cummings N14, 2.3 million miles and ticking away.

[@270eastny]

A tow truck driver told me that the emissions trucks are they best friend ...! 😂

[@farmerjon72]

People make fun of my old Columbia but there are no emissions. The biggest problem with these older non emission trucks is they become a restoration project.

[@vulcancannon281]

Truth was spoken here

[@meizhongbai]

Literally sitting on an exit ramp doing a regen right now, in a 2018 peterbilt w/ paccar engine. Nothing to do but browse youtube for the next hour or more.

[@SamusMaximusSMXD]

Just as fast as i got into trucking i got out , theres a group of truckers out there that have completely ruined the industry

[@TrinidadBadMon]

In the process of getting my trucking company together bought a 1991 kenworth. Mechanical diesel no computers.

[@davidkeeton6716]

As a retired Volvo and Mack dealership partsman, 31 years, the EPA ruined trucks. Electronic fuel injection was the greatest thing. Rolling in a set of rod and main bearings went from 500k to 750k-1M miles. Same block, same bearings part numbers. EGR and DPF and DEF systems made trucks unaffordable with poor reliability and unnecessarily expensive parts. The rotating assembly is fine, the emissions systems are garbage no matter the truck brand. Every brand buys the junk from the same manufacturers.

[@RobertSmith-le8wp]

Im kind of amazed engineers haven’t figured these out by this point. I knew after 2007 there would be a few years of teething problems but it’s amazing that all these years later the same problems persist. My brothers friend just shut down his trucking company and sold off all his trucks. He had 15 similarly equipped Kenworth W900’s all with Cat 3406’s. i can tell you he got a pretty penny for all of them. Amazing how much the value of these 1990’s trucks have gone up since they’re so much more reliable

[@ectolle54]

I’ve owned 11 trucks in my owner operator small company in total. 8 of those are 379s. Out of all of them I’ve had one emissions truck. A 2015 Kenworth with a Paccar. It was the newest lowest mileage, most expensive by far truck I’d ever bought. It was pretty good for about a year then it was emissions constantly and the final straw was i had just spent 8k to fix it 2 weeks later same thing. They said well we replaced all these parts so it must need an SCR. I fixed it and immediately sold it. F that truck and the stupid emissions. I’ll never own another one.

[@peteengard9966]

You're absolutely correct. Mechanics were never trained because there were no schools on the emissions system to go too. Every manufacturer did things different. The company I worked for bought 2 Macks with DEF. One ended up under the lemon law. The other is a spare. The old mechanical engine trucks kept the company going.

[@jimgraham9450]

The big line haul companies just buy new plastic trucks, run them only a few miles, and get rid of them. Most big trucks are now a disposable item. I don't know how they make any money that way.

[@BruceMyersLBZ]

Never buy a new one until big insurance won’t insure older equipment

[@kennethd9344]

I started in 1975 and fully at in 1976 California from Alabama great times back then I always loved my job I had a great career. Thanks

[@chrisbanks5098]

Glad in Alberta were able to delete them

[@FireLt2017]

No engine that "recirculates" exhaust back into the cylinders is going to be more fuel efficient!

[@MrBigR928]

They'll have to pry my Caterpillar engine outta my cold dead hands😡😁👍🏾

[@johnjjarhead5721]

Best wishes to all drivers out there working, everything is stacked against you, yet you still keep on trucking. Thank you from the new retiree

[@arthurbrumagem3844]

Greatest example of “ we are the govt and here to help”

[@jn1ty]

This is the world we live in. The emission engines won't go away. As time goes by they will get better but until then we are stuck. Tring to run a pre- emission engine isn't the answer.

[@markbrandon7756]

2010 PRBT 386 Day Cab Factory ISX Re-POWERED with 39k mi for ONLY $ 55,000 !!! A second truck same same, 15.5k mi for ONLY $65,000 !!! INCREDIBLE what’s available !! Saw it on Comm Tk Trdr last week..

[@lililililililili8667]

The permanent check engine light club

[@poireauer6517]

😅😅👍👍

[@Fishinaroundtn]

22 crapcadia day cab averages 6.5 mpg and never pulls over 20k governed at 73. We have one pre emissions truck with manual trans. I enjoy driving that truck every chance I get

[@MrTheHillfolk]

Keep on rebuilding them hundreds of times. I remember the engines in tech school were so worn from being disassembled and reassembled,that we only went like 200 ft pounds on the mains instead of 250😂 They'd run....so any other engine shouldn't have a problem being rebuilt like 20 times

[@claudew5582]

A few years ago my tractor went into limp mode, turns out the DEF pump was cracked. The tow truck operator said 70-80% of business is related to the DEF system .

[@kmg501]

This is 100% spot on.

[@user-uq6vh3ps7m]

Nothing past 2003 for me

[@FomoHighSellLow]

I run 21 cascadia dpf sensor went out around 75k miles, no issues since. I run electric apu, i never idle except red lights and stop signs. In my opinion idleing will kill emission engines. Keep the engine hours as low as possible :)

[@davidfreiman7418]

Funny how much of this comes back to CARB. As someone who has spent hours as a vendor for them I can tell you that the maintenance staff has some brains, but the testing staff seems clueless to actual atmospheric science.

[@nitrozack3062]

Facts.

[@kingdaddybullfrog]

I'm living proof on these def trucks, I bought it with the company saying everything was fixed, boy, was I wrong, not even 3 weeks in running the egr cooler went out, injectors, and the dpf filter went out, cost me right under $14,000. I am a single owner operator, and am going under because of these pieces of crap. I am now considering either trading up to an older truck or just quiting driving altogether. I am looking for a good jew lawyer to sue the EPA, FMCSA, and the DOT(ha ha good luck right?) But I do think truck drivers should get together and TRY to make big brother pay for our repairs since they are the ones mandating this stupid ideology of cleaner air and cleaner emissions. What a joke..

[@catbird1759]

As a diesel mechanic for over 45 years, I do not see how an owner operator can afford the emission loaded trucks. A check engine light will leave a truck beside the road. If an emission filled truck is more efficient, it'll eat ever bit of savings and twice the cost in repairs and parts. Now the Biden administration is trying to force electric vehicles down our throats, and there will be NO repairs by the owner operators because of the lack of knowledge and software to support it. This is also driving the cost of transportation through the roof.

[@clintstevenson1214]

Hmmm. After seeing your video, it makes me wonder why fire trucks and ambulances in California don’t have these systems?

[@martins9888]

Govt has always wanted to drive small business out. Bigger companies are easier to control..

[@erich84502ify]

But lawmakers don't drive a bus or truck

[@TruckerMike84]

I agree . Been a company driver my whole time driving . Started in 2006 when I was 21 . The pre emission trucks down to the truck with a mechanical engine are more dependable and reliable . These emission trucks are total garbage .

[@James-vk9yt]

I'm a owner operator. Never leave my home state life is great. Old school pre emissions truck and wouldn't trade it for nothing.

[@markrupprnkamp5832]

So true. As a company driver my new assigned truck was 2009 international with the maxforce engine. 2 years later I had been to the dealership 16 times.

[@X-American]

Lmao I have had 3 vnl 860's 2 - 2020. 1 - 2021 total of 1.3 million miles. Never broke down. Never a emissions problem. 8.65mpg all miles.

[@X-American]

I'm old school since 1998 I love an old school pete black smoking as much as the next guy and ya the first 3 or 4 years was an issue, but aside from that you couldn't be anymore wrong.

[@Corleone_Napoleone]

The most dependable, reliable , inexpensive to operate and maintain for a O/O in American trucking industry is DETROIT SERIES 60 12.7. No offense to Cat and Cummins boys out here. Great engines. But , the ole Detroit 12.7 will go in history.

[@WilC379]

I drive a 1999 Peterbilt 379 with a C15 6NZ Cat and a 18 spd. No reason to get anything else.

[@Ktgsvtrdg66]

Dont worry about putting def in your truck. Wait till Edison Motors are able to retrofit your rig with electric axles and a recharging Cat generator. I hope this def fluid is banned for the eco lie that it is.

[@davidtatum8682]

I've got a Fitz glider and I'll drive it till it turns to dust. I love this thing. Never had an issue other than 1 injector. 850 k so far.

[@brianschryver8314]

I work and an ag dealership, and we once sold a 35 hp lawnmower with pretty much every option in it. I wasn’t even half way through setting everything up, and with 1.5 engine hours it already needed a regen. It was sold for 60k Canadian, and was a complete and udder nightmare for the one summer the owner had it until getting rid of it. Not only garbage, but embarrassing for the dealership selling as well. As far as other things are concerned, def pumps seem to die constantly, updates do practically nothing, and most owners have problems anytime we get real cold weather. Being in Canada, one cold week will keep us busy fixing for a month. Unacceptable

[@Alllivesmatter24]

I agree. I love my 07 Pete with a 95 60 series Detroit and I get 7-8.5 MPG US. No need for ELD in the US and I do most of my miles to the US. I governed my truck at 63 mph on cruise and open on foot in case I gotta get in to it

[@tomwoods3437]

Man, I'm glad you're making new videos. Learned a lot through the years from you, Dave.

[@ronjones3157]

Liars! Never did my 335 Cummins w4x4 let me down. Ton of power…just had to replace the throttle spring one time. Fixed it on the side of the road, pulled over for breakfast, and then on with the lowboy haul! Thank you for covering this…darn shame!

[@ronjones3157]

Of course, I’d be a felon now for running that KW…sheesh!

[@frankgtrucks200]

Spot on!!!

[@randykinder8346]

that is the plan

[@smokingjoe9864]

You can not idle the engine at all.

[@up0820]

So basically they are like every other new vehicle, they almost all have issues with new vehicles.

[@Cherokeelion]

Yup. Im a company driver for now. Dealing with emissions issues cost me $35,000 and I eventually went the delete route to try and save the engine. Delete wasnt done right and engine needed rebuild. Did that for another $45,000, still deleted. 14 months later started pushing coolant. Sold the truck as is and will never buy another emissions truck again.

[@rd4660]

Ya, well, in my home state it's a DEF engine or nothing at all.

[@dannydaugherty527]

you are exactly right my 88 freightliner with a 3406 cat engine got 10 miles to the gallon the 2010 prostar I bought got 5.5 mpg at best and was always being worked on, the prostar made me go broke and file bankrupt so I got out of driving altogether.

[@georgemcrae5117]

This guy knows, well said ❤

[@honda900000]

interesting point. The Detroit Diesel is ownd by Daimler Trucks, so Mercedes. DD13 and DD15 are basically european engines, made for the Mercedes Actros. The A26 and S13 engines from International are from MAN(A26) and Scania(S13). Of course with DEF in Europe. The PACCAR Engines are used by DAF in Europe. DAF is ownd by PACCAR. Why are DEF things not a thing in Europe?

[@maryrudelich9000]

Excellent video. The biggest thorn in the side for any trucking company are these emissions control, (dpf) systems.

[@GoranBabic-us2pd]

I have ..colubia f. 1.8M on it...12.7 Detroit s. 60.i still run.....

[@A_A_Ron_G]

Anyone making the jump from company driver to owner op needs to buy an '07 or older, preferably an '03 or older (no egr), with a Detroit, and a manual transmission. They are exponentially cheaper to repair and maintain. Any shop can work on an old Detroit. The night shift kid at TA can fix it. Or a decent shade tree mechanic. Or watch some youtube and fix it yourself. Parts are cheap(er) and easy to find. It's not about your comfort. It's not about style. It's about making (and keeping) money. Let go of your ego. No one cares what your truck looks like, especially not the shipper. You'll get paid the same rate as the brand new pretty truck in the dock next to you, and keep more of it in your pocket.

[@claysmith782]

I don't have any use for any truck that has Def or restrictions on the engine. Give me a mechanical engine and most times i can get it in for Repairs. Old school is the only way that i would drive a truck these days. If my truck breaks down it could be a cold wait before the tow truck gets here to get you in for repairs. Safe trucking drivers. 😊

[@sharonfieber6458]

Regulator got fixated on "prevented respitory illness from desiel particulates." Public relations "magical thinking about technology" controlled message. Engine testing in dyno vers manufacturers bought some truck ran them hard as hell Yukon, North Slope to Florida, all year round.

[@kevinvoyer5053]

I’m not sure of the laws, haven’t driven since medical retirement due to fall off a dump trailer in wind while covering a load, breaking L4, herniating L5/6, with fusion and titanium bridge, since 2007. So I really have no idea, other than what goes in what hole. Automatic transmission must be nice in traffic, not so sure about open road. But it seams like a brand new Glider Kit, like a nice long nose Peterbilt. Then just assembly with all the best the law offers. The most power/economy mix, with the best ride/handling mix. As for power, how about the last good Cat, 3406? Built to perform a last reliability. Should be able to do? Especially with the price of a new truck with the new headache of emissions?

[@dexterm7466]

That’s a 10-4 big buddy, keep rollin coal and the right side down

[@HAROLDSIMMONS-m6f]

I own a 1997 Ch613 Mack. E7. Still runs after I replaced the engine back in November 2005. No it's an ABC truck. Not a DEF one. Lol

[@bradleyselk9642]

If the government mandates it they should have to pay for repairs, upkeep and down time.

[@kinmanbk]

I agree 100%.

[@mrpumpken]

They do not have the Environment in mind They have Kickbacks in mind

[@blacknight88]

I had a 2020 Kenworth T680. The Def caused me so many problems I considered leaving trucking due to breakdowns and losing pay and loads

[@gregorylewis9442]

It's more revenue for Dealership's!🤔

[@muffs55mercury61]

There are many videos of old trucks being resurrected and put back on the road. Of course they can't go to California with them but most of those drivers don't go there anyways. I've also learned that most mechanics would prefer an old mechanical truck any day. A nice truck doesn't have to be a new truck.

[@briankoehler5641]

Great video! I agree, however, someone new to owner op would have a hard time getting financed on a 20 year old 1-2 million mile rig. Old trucks break down too, those costs aren't much cheaper than new trucks, just different issues.

[@stephenfisher9505]

At this day and age you couldn't give me a truck. you can't even pay your self PER DIUM anymore, that's just the start.

[@mojo2131]

Spot on .

[@mikethemechanic7395]

Diesel mechanic of 22 years. Was trained on these early to current DEF systems. Always a headache. The majority of the problems are from the drivers who do not tell the shop when the truck needs a burn. Or the light was on so long. We had to go on a road call and use the computer to do a burn. 80 percent of after treatment issues are driver related. Don’t get me wrong. These systems still suck 😂

[@salahdehina9733]

This whole emissions regulations and EVs situation is political. The best thing one can do for the environment is to keep an old car/truck running. Just remember that when these big corporations and governments legislate something it's seldom for the good of the people

[@roberthamilton1152]

What you "save" in fuel you Spend on horse piss, I mean def. More failure points. More maintenance. Too many sensors.

[@kylemartin-jz7ur]

You can't beat a pre emissions engine i don't care if its Cat Detroit or Cummins you really couldn't go wrong overall with either compared to the crap they have today i would without a doubt pick 1 of the 3 i listed before I go emissions

[@dlansburg2673]

I can only comment on my Cummins ram,recalls,warranty mean nothing!never buy diesel unless you want to hire lawyers!

[@kennethsnyder9236]

I have a 2020 Cascadia and I have had one time issue with DEF sensors 550k miles later and still going. Never been towed.

[@akutan224b]

Max Mileage Fuel Catalyst has changed the game.

[@joemac3118]

07 is when I started seeing the entire trucking industry beginning to implode on itself. I retired in 2020 and am I glad. The trucking industry is a complete disaster and cesspool that will never make a comeback! Trucking is trash now and will forever stay that way now!

[@rayweh-bfa4966]

Had 2 c 15 cats pre emissions fantastic fix in back yard sold in 1 hour great motors

[@jordanperry3126]

i agree with you partner like the old saying goes the more things change the more they stay the same and that has held its truth for many years now newer trucks are not worth even buying have a good rest of the week and ill be looking for the next video you put out.

[@JacksonClass]

Don't forget the tow bills when your engine derates

[@tommy.unfiltered]

Can I get the link to an article or to a research paper? That says the majority of the freight in the country is moved by mega carriers, please

[@danielyelle1070]

Driving a 2017 Volvo with a Cummins ISX. Had it since new and it's the very worst truck I have ever had in 44 years of trucking . Between the ELD and emission engines the government has taken all the fun out of trucking. I just drive this truck until the check engine light comes on. The stress both bring to my life isn't worth it , and i can't wait to retire in a couple years and just play with OLD TRUCKS.

[@donaldgreene3105]

Look how many towing companies use non emissions trucks

[@joebarnaskas]

very good.....the steering wheel holders won t understand