Would Toby Have Been A BETTER Trollhunter?⎮A Trollhunters: Tales of Arcadia Discussion

[@lovestruckly]

I haven't finished the video, but I want to bring this up. Jim giving Toby the Trollhunter role is one of the most brutal character assassinations I have ever seen. He has already seen exactly what happens when he is not the Trollhunter, back in Season 2. That episode is key to his character development in the first series. And by doing that, it takes away all of his development in the film. Whether the job is hard or not, Jim *knows* that it needs to be him. What was the point of giving him the arc of questioning himself as the Trollhunter (for the third time, mind you), getting over it, but only to give up that role? It goes against everything we know about Jim as a character and turns him into such a selfish character as a result.

[@PMW591]

It was such a random moment which broke the show and the character of Jim as a whole. It would make more sense for him to go back in time with the info he has and stay a troll Hunter. Making Toby a troll Hunter changes EVERYTHING. Jim’s info on what happened when he was a troll Hunter won’t be useful to Toby because things will not go the same way.

[@rghennig1]

​@PMW And why did it have to be the very beginning of the series? Why can it just been before the titans Rose in up ?

[@SG-yt2ye]

@@rghennig1 this is what I was hoping for

[@Jacob-he3sn]

From my understanding, that time jump via the amulet in season 2 was merely a made up vision, as Merlin likely did not have the magic necessary for such time manipulation or insight. I also believe Jim believes this too, as I recall him calling the experience either a dream or a vision. Also, over the series, I believe he has come to the conclusion that he will be a trollhunter whether he has the amulet or not. Altogether, he may see himself as still being the trollhunter despite giving the amulet to Toby. Still a terrible decision, but I think this all explains why he may have given Toby the amulet without destroying his development. EDIT: Because I am getting replies months later about my original comment, *I do not like this move* . All I did was provide some context as to how Jim could make this move without (at least completely) destroying his entire character development.

[@cdwarrior6582]

It was more of an assassination than the assassination of Toby

[@OzyTheMan428]

Something that's kinda been stuck in my head is what if both Jim and Toby fail and keep rewinding time so that the other was the trollhunter therefore the show is an infinite time loop. Of course I know its highly unlikely but its still pretty fun to think about

[@Noratcat]

You know? I've thought about that too. What if Jim becomes stuck in a loop of constantly rewinding time due to no matter what choice he makes, or whoever he makes the Trollhunter, Toby always dies. Also, what if eventually all of Jim's use of time travel starts causing time to unravel?

[@OzyTheMan428]

@@Noratcat Exactly!

[@AnonymouseKing]

Now THAT is a film we need to see.

[@xshadiie6447]

I thought like that Jim would have to sacrifice himself instead and that Toby would let Jim to be a trollhunter again and again. Being stuck in a time loop because they care too much for eachother to accept their sacrifice

[@Noratcat]

@@xshadiie6447 My idea basically involved there being a keeper of time who has bene repeatedly watching Jim restart time, and with each time he does so, he causes time to unravel. In order to stop the cycle, the Keeper interferes, even recruiting the Arcane Order, and maybe Gumar and Morgana via pulling them out of the time stream. Long story short, but I was thinking that Jim eventually finds a way to break the cycle himself, and it turns out the Keeper allowed this to happen as they saw one possibility where Jim managed to fix it all, while all others involved reality coming apart.

[@fantasytales1972]

I wish it wasn't made. Should have made Wizards longer

[@PMW591]

They should have made Wizards longer. There was not enough time in the movie for a conclusion.

[@SlimeDelaJoJo]

Agreed

[@katiemartin487]

I agree. they should have made it longer, to allow more character development for everyone.

[@ceciliafaith4132]

From what I understand, that was the original plan. Wizards was meant to be 20 episodes instead of ten, but the creators weren’t allowed to do that for some reason.

[@PMW591]

@@ceciliafaith4132 Netflix probably

[@playererror4044]

I hated the movies ending, for one very simple reason: The Franchise Didn't wimp out before then. if someone died they stayed dead, Jim got stuck as a troll and yes that was undone, several seasons of shows later. The movie, one character (Who I wasn't a huge fan of, didn't hate him but I wasn't exactly extatic everytime he showed up.) dies, and that warrents undoing the show? Serioussly? Did those other guys who died not matter as much? I just... look the ending sucks, we know the reasons why just... urgh.

[@Shiningclaw6161]

The episode Unbecoming meant nothing then. That whole episode was dedicated to telling Jim why Merlin chose him to be the Trollhunter. The world is doomed if he wasn't. I know it was Draal in that example but Toby would be ten times worse. If Jim really did have to go back in time (he shouldn't) at least still keep the amulet. Also, I'm still hoping the reason why Toby has the amulet is to give it to Jim. After all, it never told Toby to "rise and become".

[@Bxnkaiyt]

i hope that the amulet will recognize jim and jim will still be able to dawn the armour whilst toby is still the th

[@Kai_Exploits]

@@Bxnkaiyt I know what you mean even if some sentences are missing. Like, both Toby and Jim the trollhunters

[@GoofyBaconic]

Was one of my favourite episodes as well

[@levievil9220]

@@Kai_Exploitsthere is technically two amulets within the time line plus Jim could keep Excalibur while Toby gets the daylight sword that would’ve been so cool

[@Kai_Exploits]

@@levievil9220 Yeah now that I think about it the series has a lot of potential. Also surprised somebody mentioned me🤣cant believe I made that comment so long ago time flies

[@madrat8060]

Honestly, if Tobi somehow manages to defeat Bular, manages to defeat Angorot, and everything else leading to Merlin's Tomb, it would be amazing if Merlin recognizes Jim as the true Trollhunter and gives Jim the Amulet back.

[@nightmarestar01]

😂.That would be hilarious just imagine Tobys face

[@ceciliafaith4132]

Merlin: *wakes up* Who might you be? Toby: I’m Toby Domsalski, the Trollhunter! Merlin: *to Jim* What nonsense is he babbling on about?

[@bob_king1998]

That would work but the amulet only chooses another person after its chosen one is dead, dont forget the amulet picks a specific person

[@sugarcut]

that could happen but it would require toby dying + if it was going to be jim in the end then why even bother ??? this feels unsalvageable

[@awesomedolphin9675]

​@@sugarcutNo because they retconned the whole amulet rules so whatever we want the amulet to do it will now do because the writers chose to ditch all the previous established rules of the magic and opted for a bs ending where everyone supposedly lives, so it will work

[@kylergriggs6897]

I’m glad somebody said it, The plan would have worked, had Jim Remained the Troll hunter. It would cut out the training of Toby, it is very likely that he and Drall would get along much Quicker, Strickler would become his ally much quicker, and all in all, It would turn out better, cause Venda might still be alive

[@Nikigreeneeee]

Know any fanfiction like that?

[@kylergriggs6897]

@@Nikigreeneeee I haven’t found any, but I wanna Write it

[@TheMastermind729]

And the best character Angor rot could survive

[@levievil9220]

Basically it’d be a case of a game that likes to repeat and everything you learn could be used in the new timeline fascinating plus if Jim is the troll hunter he could easily speed run all of the events or go straight to Merlin unless he specifically needs the shadow staff

[@dragonsrock6049]

Remember how right before Jim reset time, he said, “If it’s meant to be, it will be?” Wouldn’t that mean all the bad stuff that happened was meant to be? All the catastrophes? All the deaths? So there’s really no point in going back in time to try and prevent them, because they’re going to happen one way or another.

[@ev6781]

I think It means it was meant to be for him as his time as a troll hunter not his time as the troll hunter. If that makes sense

[@TheUnderDogUzumaki]

@@ev6781 The thing about it is... No matter who the trollhunter is, the order still has their plans and are going to go ahead with it no matter what... So exactly what was the point?? The titans are going to rise each time regardless and the same thing will happen

[@kennedysamarakody4925]

My personal headcanon, somehow, someway this new timeline happens very similar to the old timeline when Jim was the trollhunter...i guess with no deaths like Jim wanted...But in the final battle, Jim dies instead of Toby. Toby goes back in time, and he Jim becomes the trollhunter....basically a paradox.

[@flar3.]

This is exactly what I was thinking! Jim should’ve moved on with the fact that Toby had passed because he knows he’s supposed to be the troll-hunters yet still decided to reverse time so Toby can be it?

[@Littlehotties]

but wouldn't he remember his timeline And they boat would try to make each other it An adventure you realise or Toby would breakdown and and Tell him everything

[@kennedysamarakody4925]

@@Littlehotties Eh yeah. Toby would prob tell him everything.

[@The_Crossiant]

Yea cool idea but Tobey is gonna die way before that happens…tobey isn’t beating bular or angorot. He’s neither agile or athletic he’s cooked. I’m not trying to shame him but like… HES COOKED. If draal failed tobey has no chance. Tobey isn’t beating Angor,bular,Gunmar or morgana. And it’s even worse knowning that Toney’s only family is his nana. We see jim struggling with life since he’s lying to his mom, he’s failing school and has a whole another life. I would think Tobeys nana wouldn’t have the same affect as Jim’s mom. Tobey basically goes everywhere without his nana caring. Also Clare isn’t gonna fall for tobey. We all know that, so tobey wouldn’t have the same motivation to go into the dark lands. Also think Clare wouldn’t even join the team in general. Since the only reason she started liking jim is when he started the play. And without Jim having his armour and the sweet sweet dialogue we got from blinky he wouldn’t make it. That meaning Clare would never like him meaning she wouldn’t join the team. Anyone to just finalize my point, the world is cooked if tobey is the troll hunter. He dies in season 1 no questions asked. Bular stomps him

[@DragonGoddess18]

If y'all want a fic that handled the time-travel bit better,then read "Withhold" It actually started from the episode "Unbecoming" and it handled everything a lot better

[@eithiana1602]

Thank you

[@DragonGoddess18]

​@@Dreamwitch_ In a way,yes. This fic has aged well. I don't think Jim was terrible to not do anything in the original episode, he wanted to see what his life was like if he wasn't the Trollhunter. Some good stuff,some bad stuff but he also saw that Gunmar was free anyway and a lot earlier than in his original timeline. In this fic, "Withhold" however, Jim does things a tad smarter,as the author said. I do love the fic and I hope nobody else is too harsh on expecting an update from 'em.

[@Hdjdjebsjnwndhw-572handle]

@@DragonGoddess18where can I find fic

[@kineuhansen8629]

man i cant tell how much i loved this show part from the movie this show is just one of many amazing shows dreamworks made between 2010 and 2020 the best decade from dreamworks

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

Then the movie dropped the ball hard with an ending Reminiscent to 1993 Mighty max cartoon, but somehow even worse.

[@DragonGoddess18]

5:57 Exactly 💯 As much as I like Toby as a character, you're right. He wouldn't have been a good Trollhunter

[@tureytayno3154]

He is a great sidekick but not much more, DragonGoddess.

[@duellingmasterheropokeland1468]

If Jim Still has the amulet from the original timeline we could have two troll hunters, fighting together with one wheeled in Excalibur and the other reeled in the sword of daylight really given the villain to run for their money

[@NivuzeinaValakaze]

The Trollhunter, and the Starhunter.

[@R34P3R]

I believe that Jim still has his new amulet, and I think it wasn't shown on purpose. It has been made clear that Merlins amulet doesn't make mistakes so if it chose Jim as the trollhunter in the first timeline it should do the same in every timeline unless Jim has already an amulet so now the amulet(Merlins one) has to find the second best being to become the trollhunter which is apparently Toby. I don't know if Toby is the best character to become the trollhunter, but I think Jim will work alongside Toby and not just guide him. I was very disappointed with the movie's end and still believe that emphasizing on Tobys sacrifice would have been better I really want to hope that this is not the actual end of the series and they will continue in the future and if they decide to do so I would like to see a new narrative and not what already happened in the previous timeline with Toby being the trollhunter

[@VaarlyYoutube]

This is what i thought too

[@joshuagoldsmith7240]

I mean you ain’t wrong the ending felt more like Jim giving Toby the power because of his trauma. The only thing he can fix is starting to put some details on the right track but past that there is nothing new he can fix it honestly would have been better if he stayed as the troll hunter instead he has all the training and knowledge. However that’s thinking from a logical standpoint however let’s look at it from a business perspective they got as much as they could from Jim being the Troll Hunter and if they wanted to milk more money or views it would be hard to write a new script where Jim didn’t just wrap up the antagonist quickly thus making any new character development seem kinda stale as it would realistically be “okay we need pla never mind Jim just beat him good job” don’t get me wrong I’d still watch it but there would be so little they could do with all the other characters

[@The_Mem]

You're assuming they wanted to continue the story we are how many years later in addition to the movie being marketed as the ending of the story

[@arpadszilvesztertoth6344]

I have a theory. First we must look at the movie end carfully. They say it clearly "only the trollhunter will remember". Then JIm puts the stone in his New amulet and go back in time. Then Jim weaks up and he still remember what happend. This means he still IS the trollhunter. But here comes the twist. He is the trollhunter with the green amulet. But all the trollhunters (the spirits) will remember this who alredy lives in the amulet and they know that now they got two amulet and a chance to get two trollhunters. They already see that the human trollhunters can be more powerfull than any trolls and they know Toby can be a good fighter with proper trainin and with Jim as his teacher he can live up to that potential. Plus he will be a fierce protector of the trolls better then Jim because Jim did it becasue of his sense of duty but Toby will do it from passion. Thats why they call to him. Now we have two trollhunters. One with the knowledge with the alternate timeline, skills what he don't need to learn just get in to better shape and get some muscles. And the dedication to make a better world And one whit the heart for all magic creature who will be the moral giude. With this combination even if Toby wont be as strong as Jim or be a better trollhunters they still got way better chances to do what they need to do to change everything to the better

[@World.m1.0]

I like your theory now they Just need to make a movie about it.

[@taiconan8857]

I know I'm ten months late but... I think there is some brilliance in this ending, actually. Consider the times Jim chose "maintaining the lie" over "addressing the problem" which almost ALWAYS escalated the issue. Toby doesn't have the physical prowess to survive many of the challenges that were presented to *Jim* ... but while Toby did often get roped into trouble and need saving, Jim now isn't nearly the *risk* that Toby was in combat situations. He will be an asset. He has foreknowledge of so many of their enemies, even if events drastically change. He can now spot the warning signs so much sooner too, which can allow them so much more of an edge in overcoming them. Toby has regularly shown a knack for engaging many of the trolls in their various walks of life in a casual and often relatable sense. But JIM was the Trollhunter, so if *Toby* asked them to rally, they've connected with him, not because he is strong... but because he is not selfish. While Jim has valor, skill, and measures of cunning, earning respect of a few trolls through the trials of strength... *Toby* has heart, humility, and an often infectious enthusiasm (... and apparently tasty socks *[shudders]* ...). Toby has so much less "going on" in his life... this is why he was able to play support for Jim in "maintaining the lie" but now, as a "nobody" by comparison, he will be even harder to keep out of Troll business. Jim can even use the knowledge he has to occasionally bait-and-switch assassins, claiming to be trollhunter to a known enemy's face, then being said bait. Being Trollhunter now when Toby meets the swamp trolls will be a turning point too. The already kindred spirit that Toby *is* gets amplified across trollkind as even the *whispers* of being a reincarnated troll bolsters their connections. This would further slow the machinations of their enemies as they'd have to try harder to divide the tribes and hide their efforts(like certain high levels of troll betrayers?) Jim CAN be orchestrating elements in the background to prime Blinkus with specific knowledge to hasten his moves to answers when they are needed. Potentially wile Strickler into believing in Toby, not by showing proof of his knowledge of events-to-come, but by giving Strickler *superior options* because he knows what Bular will do regardless of *when* he is released. Spurning the changlings, Strickler would now have an open door to walk through instead of a struggle of trust when it comes time to switch sides as he'll see that Jim, and Toby, are genuine. All the while, Jim doesn't have to know every explicit occurrence to come and others may die, even preparing countermeasures that 'may yet be needed' against the larger foes to come may be enough to save far more people when the greater threats arrive in force. If he *could* convince Toby of aspects of his foreknowledge, this can also aid in rallying these forces sooner. All this without distracting Toby too much from his own "matters at hand." It was often many of *his* questions that brought Jim the answers they needed, so now he'll not only reach those conclusions on his own, he'll have the power and authority to act on it immediately. Jim often tried to overcome most of the challenges with his skill, cunning, and a small specialized team while selfishly maintaining an illusion of his old life, "It's up to me." You *cannot* unite a world that way. "It's up to us." Jim often got stuck questioning if he's right to be the Trollhunter because it was so overwhelming. Now... when *Toby* does so, Jim's not constrained to the darkness like Blinkus was. He can Help Toby through it... *anytime...* because he's lived it. And the trolls will be far more ready to cooperate and trust Toby, rather than Jim, because they know he's not strong, but his heart is in the right place and wishes for the wellbeing of all trollkind, and they can trust *that.* (Plus I mean, He befriended a gnome, maybe he could do it again... and that gnome could bring friends... powerful ally those little miscreants.) I'll get off my soapbox now. I completely understand the upset and some sense of betrayal, and as such I'm GLAD they didn't immediately continue some spin-off series after the movie, but it was a stronger note to end on than I think some people realize. The level of depth and potential is noteworthy in my opinion, but I also understand the disappointment.

[@Payload82]

I think would off preferred a time skip ending 5 or 10 year after the final battle we how things are going with our hero after the world discovered aliens, wizards and Trolls.

[@timespectator5485]

Absolutly love it, also what happen to mother she just run oute the battery. The memory should be still exist

[@cdwarrior6582]

Honestly the time travel thing is such a cop out. They saved the world. Did they lose a lot of their friends along the way? Yes. But every god damn one of them knew the risks. Toby, Draal, Vendel, all of them knew. Resetting the timeline in the first place was disrespectful to their memories. They won so their sacrifices meant something. All of them would have rather stayed dead than take that chance. And on top of this Jim signs Toby up to be the guy in the most danger because this shit killing him once wasn’t enough. I know what they were going for but I’d rather they found a McGuffin artifact from the crazy world ending wizards that had enough power to bring their friends back somehow(or maybe just Toby cause he really was kind of the last straw on who you could kill in this series to make us feel it so hard. It wasn’t gonna be Claire.) Seriously we’ve seen crazy shit from this series and Arrrgh already showed they are willing to do a character resurrection.

[@cearlach32]

I feel that the 12th configuration of the amulet is saying tat each character that was touching/looking at it each need to be there own troll hunter as it requires the powere of all of them as troll hunters to stop this horrible outcome

[@egecimen7441]

I was really sad because I was very sad that such a great series ended like this. I have always looked at TrollHunters with the heart of one of the best series. Even though three below and the wizards were a little more in the background, they were still very good series. But in the last movie, I think they were silly. They killed too many people And it was ridiculous. Come on, I understand nomura and others but STRICKLER!?Did they really think they could kill the titan written in the legends in the books with a grenade? Besides, all the old things we watched don't matter by taking the time to the top, right? I mean, just because it was wanted to be shown as the last movie, too many characters were killed and I think the story flow is strange and does not suit a series like Tales of Arcadia.

[@klaou9154]

I totally forgot about Stricklers death💀.When he died I wasn't even sad .I LAUGHED. Because it was so ridiculously horrible, it was funny. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SAD. Wtf

[@slayerbrother5779]

100% agreed, it's Likely to Kill Strickler to shock the fans and for Nomura that they thought we won't care for. the Movie isn't canon it's either made by the imposters People form Among us or it's a very high budget fanfiction.

[@slayerbrother5779]

i Love toby but he didn't get along with Claire Nomura and Probably Wouldn't get along with Draal, i still pumped for the Shorts they were never confirmed but i am not losing hope either way until then the Movie isn't canon to me

[@shawnbrunner4097]

I agree, though I'm hoping for what I commented, including the bottom of my comment, as I double agree about the ToA shorts, and even the bloopers that never make before. As I make a big comment as I quote, -"I may've like the rest of the Tales of Arcadia series, but the only episodes I don't liked(but I respect your opinions) are "Becoming: Part 1"(better known as "The Amulet"), "Wherefore Art Thee, Trollhunter?"(better known as "Becoming: Part 2"), "Gnome Your Enemy", "Waka Chaka!"(better known as "Impures: Part 1"), and "Win Lose or Draal"(better known as "Impures: Part 2"), all because of the total bullying from Steve. I agree with those who said about rebuilding Tales of Arcadia, totally reducing the bullying(all including the dodgeballs), and reducing the Romeo Steve arcs, despite Jim will take turns as Romeo with someone whose alot like Romiette(like that of Romiette and Juliette) until she decided to leave the roles of Romeo to Jim while Claire remains Juliette, etc.. I also hope Claire should be more stronger as what Jim's been punched, and smarter as what Toby described, so she'll never be naive, and she'll also never fell for the total cons and scams from Steve, just like she'll be alot like herself between Season 1B of Trollhunters and Rise of the Titans, way earlier than before, as she'll decide that her heart goes to Jim, hence she knows Steve's a bad influence to her. Besides, she'll remember what Jim said, especially from the original timeline, where he said that, if it's meant to be, they'll always be here, and here, for each other, in all timelines. Speaking of which, Steve doesn't deserve to be a bully, a con-man, a criminal of the school(even though he's a minor), and he and his father(presumedly) deserved to be the descendants of Sir Lancelot, not to be the ones who are in the cycle of abuse, jealousy, and evilness. Same goes to Coach Koch Steven Lawrence, who he shouldn't be a total neglective, abusive jerk to every students, including Jim, Toby, even rarely Claire, and especially Eli, because if he's that, he should be fired for child abuse. But I don't think he'll be fired, because he's wowed by Toby who he finally climbed the rope and rang the bell, same here with Jim. Principle Levitz doesn't deserve to be killed, so he should never allow child abuse from fellow staff members, and bullying, so he should've suspend Steve from always bullying, until, not only he'll be a better person(less criminal-like, less of a con-man, less greedy, less selfish, less illegal drugs, etc..), also till he's back in the semester where Spring Fling's preparing. Now let's moving on, Jim, who he's going to make things right for all of Arcadia and Akiridion-5, which he taught Toby well to be the Trollhunter of the original timeline, while he, not only he finished the Spanish test for Uhl, but he'll never missed the rehearsals, just as he'll be impressed by Claire, while Toby was gonna did the similar things to Jim from the original timeline, but Toby never did miss the rehearsal, but he'll capture and adopt the rogue gnome who'll be named Chompsky, while facing and saving Draal in the same time, as Toby will have two wingmen, Draal and AaArRrGgHh!!!. In other words, he'll have the configurations he'll get along, are Aja, Krel, Varvatos Vex, Douxie, Archie, Jim, Claire, Blinky, AaArRrGgHh!!!, Draal, Zoe, and Toby, in the alternative timeline, even though Jim thought there's the 9th configuration. In other words, I think Jim should've gone back and made Toby the new Trollhunter. Anyways, I'm still hoping for the Tales of Arcadia shorts, and even the bloopers. They may never be confirmed, but I'm not losing hope, either ways, I felt neutral of the ending of Rise of the Titans." Unquote. I also respect people's opinions about the ending of Rise of the Titans, all especially the original, but what could possibly go wrong?

[@whiskeylover148]

​@@shawnbrunner4097When you talked about the coach, I have to agree, because when re-watching the series the Arcadia high school felt more like as an institution. But not only because of coach Lawrence, but also because Seňor Uhl. When Jim missed for 43 days, and his Spanish teacher told him he will have to repeat the 2nd grade of high school or he will have to take care of the new students, it felt as a total blackmail, because in a normal school without an abusive staff he would be writing a resit, not immediately repeating the year. Just institution.

[@micasalerno3fortnite200]

I didn't like the ending because it's not far Aja an Steve for there relationship an love one's like the Seven children they had. I hope Trollhunters does return for a new Series. I hope Aja an Steve get back together.

[@kaekaesam6240]

This just makes really upset that I’ll never have have a reset button when needed, they should have just stuck with the hard life ending m, or should have just totally not have killed so many of the protagonists and made a feel good ending, because I’m just baffled by the ending they chose tbh!

[@lovelylife-tz4be]

I was in love with the trollhunters series and didn't like the movie. It just made all of the character development, all the heartships and special moments go away. And Jim didn't want to be the trollhunter anymore after all that? I call BS! And with this he is putting himself more on the spot than if he just went through all that again. I mean think about it : he will always be stressing, always thinking "did I pick the right person" "did I tell him the right thing". And what if someone still dies? He will feel like sh*t afterwards. So in short don't like it, doesn't make sense. Love the video though smarty pants ❤

[@Angela-ur5yf]

Yea I'm sorry but I'm not a fit person myself ( not as much as Toby but still) I know how much harder it is to do certain things, also yea he litterly gets better at fighting only thnaks to that gravity cursed hammer. On top of that I just don't think Toby is a protagonist material expecially at the beggining he is rather silly, unfocused, vain and cowardly, which okey but Jim was cowardly but could surpass his fear while Toby at that time mostly ran and seeked attention. Not saying that I don't like Toby but he is just not such a great protagonist material :/ he works great as a sidekick and he should rlly stay one. Also if only Jim knows and remembers that timeline, THEN IT DOeS NOT MAKE SENSE THAT AMULET CHOOSE TOBY AND NOT JIM Jim was choosen and it was CEMENTED that HE WAS THE ONE ! Like yea amulet did "pick " somone else but that was just an illusion to show Jim WHY IT HAS TO BE HIM =,= not Graal not Toby not anyone else, JIM!

[@jamesswearengin5182]

I really hated this kind of ending. I have seen this weirdly in three or four other shows where the main character goes back in time and does something so different that the choices don't matter and every death that happens or relationship made meant nothing. It just makes you feel like you wasted XXX amount of time in the show with world building and character relationships going out the window.

[@Arisusa4]

I always love those what if concepts on how things could change if certain characters took in a different role, but I felt like they should have just explored that in an episode or so. Instead they left people to wonder and as everyone else has said, it basically throws everything else we've seen and come to love out the window. Or at least they could have given us another spin off series to show what it's like with Toby as the TrollHunter. But no it just...felt like a slap in the face. At first when I saw the movie I was pretty wow'd by giving the fat character a chance, since fat characters are usually played off as jokes in shows and rarely the heroic protagonist. Yet the more I thought about it and saw other reviews, I can agree it's disappointing to essentially erase all the development we saw with the universe in which Jim is the Trollhunter.

[@stefanostcyr6851]

Me when I first saw that ending: I'm not f🤬ing watching a series where the friend is the troll hunter, sure he helped out a lot with some aspects but Jim carried that show, no way in hell this is gonna be good

[@tomykong2915]

if the ending took time to line out how he was making things different this time, establishing he is still *the* troll hunter on some level, and how he uses that to build the hero the world needs, while being that hero himself as well. I am pretty sure the best case scenario for him would involve him lying to his friends for a long time, guiding things in subtler ways, rather than just telling them outright, he waits until pieces are in place before dropping that bombshell on them. Run almost like a short montage of why it turns out fine, even if we don't entirely get to see whether that's the case, at least justify us thinking it might

[@Rama-sm4hp]

I appreciate you keep uploading videos about trollhunters. Not many do these days.

[@panagiotiskaltsonis3797]

This needs more likes

[@saigge16]

I never even saw the movie, I watched the show and was satisfied so I watched the "spin-off" shows as well and enjoyed them, so glad I never heard about the movie/watched it (still haven't, this video is all I know about it at this point), don't want the ending and stories I got to get ruined by this. Sounds like an interesting idea but ultimately a poorly made one from a writing perspective. In universe I think it makes sense for Jim to try and change the way things went, but I don't think making Toby the Trollhunter would've been the greatest idea, but even then maybe he just forgot what Toby was like at the beginning of their original journey (i.e. cowardly, irresponsible, not good under pressure, etc. Granted Jim had things to overcome as well, so this can easily be made into a useless argument, but he had these "negative" traits stronger than Jim did, it was a token of his character in the early seasons). The only way this decision could be made into a viable and satisfying plot point is if they made a "reboot" of the series where Jim advises him on what to do and basically becomes his mentor about all of those things. It would be very cool if it was also written in a way and had the development to make the fans/audience believe that this was the goal from the very beginning, but it feels like there was no prior foreshadowing to this idea, so it would be a steep challenge to overcome. (Not to mention how do you make the villains we watched Jim struggle against and eventually defeat in grand and satisfying victories to go against again fun to watch? There would have to be changes made from the villain's perspective, making them somehow more powerful or showing off how threatening they really are/were from a new perspective since Jim has the answers to the original conflict.) But even if they managed something like that, I personally did not care for Toby as a character. To me he was Jim's best friend and confidant who always tried to support him throughout the series, he definitely got infinitely better when he got the hammer, but otherwise, I don't think I could watch a show with him as the primary focus (especially if he starts off the same as he was from season one, which he obviously would) unless they came at his development from a different angle. Definitely possible now that he is taking the "main character" spot, but I guess it's something we will never get to see. The show was phenomenal though, loved every second of it.

[@gianpaolovillani6321]

I hope that in the new timeline, Jim can convince Morgana to go over to the good side against the common enemy: the occult order. May Jim make Morgana into a heroine!

[@BloodBlueIris]

Anybody else hella disappointed that Wizards was really only used to set up the movie and not just Douxie’s story leading up to the events of the movie. It felt like after 3Below they just completely gave up on the series and made it super simplified and like a “little little kid show”. I understand the constraints they were under thanks to Netflix, but I’d much rather have had an actual Wizards series. I don’t think anyone would really complain if the movie didn’t exist. If they just made the actual Wizards series about Douxie then they could’ve left it open ended, then maybe have gotten a movie later on. Or vise versa, have the movie happen before the events of Wizards, but have Douxie go back in time instead of Jim. Feels like it would’ve made more sense to send the wizard that kinda lurked in the back (had seemingly important cameos) in the other two shows to possibly end up in a loop of going back in time to make minor changes and interact with the different characters, just hoping to create a timeline where they can keep everyone alive and (if possible) stop the arcane order before the apocalypse events. The cameos we got in troll hunters and 3Below could’ve been expanded on (always thought it was kinda weird that Douxie just kinda automatically knew who everyone was and they all knew him, which is probably just due to rushed or lazy writing with plot holes), if the events of trollhunters and 3Below wasn’t the first timeline, it would explain why he already kinda knew everyone, plus we could see him planning interactions with everyone (why he just kinda seems to always be working at event type places).

[@JustJarms]

In the merlin dream he did actually walk into stricklers office and change him right off the bat so if that is cannon on how it would actually go down then he technically can do that

[@sho1578]

it doesn't matter if he could convince strickler since it would circle back to the eternal night happening MUCH more quicker if he wasn't the trollhunter.

[@Rama-sm4hp]

I think that a final battle is innevitable, but many casualtys can be avoided. Of course, someone will probably die, but maybe they would be able to reduce the casualties.

[@randomhuman4937]

I wish they made a new series about this new time line. Jim having to get used to no longer being the troll hunter, him having to hide the information, having to make the heartbreaking decision to let some people die. If it was handled correctly it could be amazing… or just a pile of trash

[@majormccoy2659]

Jim honestly could have gone to any point of time in the past and used his knowledge to make a better outcome. He could have gone back to the beginning of the movie and get Excalibur and get all his allies together to fight and defeat the Arcane order before they had a chance to unleash the Titans.

[@sainttan]

Well in my perspective, Jim learned from all his journeys, that he wasn't the true Trollhunter, it was truly meant for Toby. He didn't want to lose his bestfriend and gave up everything and chose to turn back time. Now he doesn't need those power, based from his experiences, he can do just fine without them. He gained confidence, maturity, selflessness and other life lessons. He even paired his mother with Walter, and convinced that he can make him switch sides again. And has the courage to be in a play, which he wouldn't have done at the beginning of the story. Jim's role in this time line is to be Toby's... well Toby, he will be there like he did for him. A pillar to shoulder his problems, and a friend that he could count on. And since he believes that he knows how most of the things will turn out, he can solve it just he did back then, and even if certain events change, he can just improvise as things goes on.

[@PK_Phoenix]

Frankly, the most jarring part is...why, when you've retained all of your memories of your past life, would you choose to relinquish the pivotal role that gives you the greatest control over how it plays out? They killed his character, and had him make a blatantly ridiculous decision in the long run just to give Toby the same experience he struggled time and time again to come to terms with. It's dumb, and a betrayal of the "destiny" that the story rubbed in his face. On the subject of destiny, picking up the amulet wouldn't mean anything for Toby anyhow since the amulet specifically chose Jim too, which Jim should've at least suspected would happen given how many times he revisits that same character arc. Basically, you assassinate every character every character (narratively and "literally" by technicality) just for Jim to orchestrate an event that NARRATIVELY WIOULDN'T EVEN WORK, just to have Toby experience it all instead...way to pass off your trauma Jim, who know they'd turn you into a jerk who shirks his responsibilities onto others?

[@gr3mliiiiinnn]

i don’t blame you for being upset. i was upset because i put my years into watching this show and even the other ones. actually my favorite was 3below (because of ron swanson 😂) it just suck how bad the ending turned out because it gave like they didn’t really care. it was similar to how they made the finale of umbrella academy

[@DragonGoddess18]

I can still rewatch Trollhunters and still enjoy it (except for the parts with Merlin in it. He is just "UGH!") I treat the ending of ROTT the same way the Madrigal family treated Bruno: I don't talk about it (without singing*) *I MEAN IT!

[@TheEpicArtist-jo2pj]

Same 4 me the ending of the og trollhunters show is how it ended the other parts where what ifs that happened in an alternate universe.

[@KittyOfChess]

Literally, Claire would have been a better choice than Toby, if they had to go down this route. At least she's smart and capable, and she immediately charmed all the trolls and was accepted by them the fastest.

[@josephmason7894]

The Trick is that Jim still has all his skill as well, my theory is that Jim would be in the shadows fixing things.

[@yourlocalofficechair7953]

Ok but tbf, he confronted Strickler in Unbecoming and he believes him. Even though by that point the eternal night was already brought, and strickler had no relations to barbara which was a big reason he reformed in the first place. So that being said, i absolutely believe that Jim would be able to change stricklers mind long before he summons angor rot, esp since the first thing he did was introduce strickler to his mom.

[@YeelaKyser]

I agree with you. I was really disappointed with the ending. I was also highly disappointed with Toby ending up dieing but if I was Jim I would NOT make Toby the troll hunter for various reasons. I also feel like if they were gonna make the movie the final they should of just put it in the show and break it into parts. Theres so much I wanna say but at the end of the day the only word I can use to describe the movie/final is disappointing. (I think you can tell how I feel about it including I use the word disappointing so many times in this comment lol.)

[@TheUnamedOne832]

Honestly with all your points I actually changed my mind on the ending of the saga

[@CrossoverFan4life]

Toby was the character the audience spent the longest time with in the franchise as a whole, though he is better as a wing man, not the pilot.

[@Anna_FFF]

I’ve been thinking, like, if Tony fails and ends up doing what Jim did and going back in time, and we can assume Jim won’t remember that second time, then won’t Toby notice how different Jim acts in Tobys rewind? Like, Jim would definitely have to behave differently when he went back in time in order to try and keep things in line, so when Toby goes back and finds he doesn’t act like that, it’s probably gonna be an “oh crap” moment if he figures out what it means. That’s assuming Jim doesn’t tell them he went back in time previously.

[@lasercraft32]

Jim had the opportunity to start New Game+ but decided he'd rather let Toby suffer through being the Trollhunter instead.

[@reiwyn]

Toby as a Troll hunter was the absolute assassination of the series, I love every single thing about this universe for years, until I saw the end, Toby was not made to be a Troll hunter, he is selfish, full of himself, AND HAVE ABSOLUTE ZERO RESPONSABILITY about his job.

[@TeodorValverde-y2p]

Also that shows that Merlin is a fraud he says that the amulet chose Jim specifically but in reality it will just choose who is nearby

[@charlesjoseph9591]

Oh god I never thought of that I think you are right

[@TeodorValverde-y2p]

@@charlesjoseph9591 exactly I’ve never heard anyone mention this

[@griffinlaney7715]

apparently the wiki says that Jim still has access to his magiktech armor since going back in time doesn't take the magiktech amulet from him So two troll hunters

[@sahqoyoltaasah9453]

Ironically, young Atlas put the weight of the world on someone else’s shoulders.

[@otakutalks1951]

one of the main things I would have hoped for if Jim made Toby become the trollhunter would be and this is a BIG IF, if he was able to keep his amulet from the failed timeline. I felt like Jim mainly did this because Toby wasn't protected by any sort of armor and thus he wanted Toby to be protected with something. if this would have happened this definitely would have allowed Jim to have some kind of proof and have him be there to train and fight side by side with Toby, but then this would change things yet again with there being 2 Trollhunters at once but it'd give for a whole other story to follow where Jim takes the active mentor role.

[@liv_reiz]

To answer your last question, I think there'll be more deaths honestly. Or other worst things might happen. It's been shown in the season 2 episode of Trollhunters, "Unbecoming". If not worst, it'll still be a lot different. And as you said, they can't predict all the villians' moves even with Jim's prior knowledge. I've been rewatching the series and I forgot that in the movie, everything reset. So, I'm once again going through the feelings I felt 2 years ago when I watched the movie. I grew up with this series. and as much as I don't like the ending of the series with how the movie ended- feeling like it was rushed and all, this will still be my #1 fave series amongst others in the animation world.

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

Still holding out we get rebuild tales of Arcadia 3.0+1.0 twice upon a titan with an actual good ending. Yes, this is a rebuild of Evangelion reference.

[@santiagoarrieta2175]

This choice it's one of the few thing i like of Wizards(i like Merlin apprentice as protagonist, his delopment and that mostly it's all, really don't like how they handle the rest of chacthers and narrative) and the movie. Jim still has it's own amulet and it's given the chance to someone he know can do the job even without it.

[@grimmwadder8500]

i'm still convinced a better ending woulda been he resets does things right and we get like a montage of stuff that we know went terribly sorted out way quicker and simpler like i won't say that it would be a good ending but infinitely better than toby mode

[@googleitlol6590]

4:52 this should not have made me laugh as hard as it did

[@LuZRepliCant]

Its stays the same just with Jim dying and then Toby goes back in Time to safe him, rince and repeate.

[@shawnbrunner4097]

I may've like the rest of the Tales of Arcadia series, but the only episodes I don't liked(but I respect your opinions) are "Becoming: Part 1"(better known as "The Amulet"), "Wherefore Art Thee, Trollhunter?"(better known as "Becoming: Part 2"), "Gnome Your Enemy", "Waka Chaka!"(better known as "Impures: Part 1"), and "Win Lose or Draal"(better known as "Impures: Part 2"), all because of the total bullying from Steve. I agree with those who said about rebuilding Tales of Arcadia, totally reducing the bullying(all including the dodgeballs), and reducing the Romeo Steve arcs, despite Jim will take turns as Romeo with someone whose alot like Romiette(like that of Romiette and Juliette) until she decided to leave the roles of Romeo to Jim while Claire remains Juliette, etc.. I also hope Claire should be more stronger as what Jim's been punched, and smarter as what Toby described, so she'll never be naive, and she'll also never fell for the total cons and scams from Steve, just like she'll be alot like herself between Season 1B of Trollhunters and Rise of the Titans, way earlier than before, as she'll decide that her heart goes to Jim, hence she knows Steve's a bad influence to her. Besides, she'll remember what Jim said, especially from the original timeline, where he said that, if it's meant to be, they'll always be here, and here, for each other, in all timelines. Speaking of which, Steve doesn't deserve to be a bully, a con-man, a criminal of the school(even though he's a minor), and he and his father(presumedly) deserved to be the descendants of Sir Lancelot, not to be the ones who are in the cycle of abuse, jealousy, and evilness. Same goes to Coach Koch Steven Lawrence, who he shouldn't be a total neglective, abusive jerk to every students, including Jim, Toby, even rarely Claire, and especially Eli, because if he's that, he should be fired for child abuse. But I don't think he'll be fired, because he's wowed by Toby who he finally climbed the rope and rang the bell, same here with Jim. Principle Levitz doesn't deserve to be killed, so he should never allow child abuse from fellow staff members, and bullying, so he should've suspend Steve from always bullying, until, not only he'll be a better person(less criminal-like, less of a con-man, less greedy, less selfish, less illegal drugs, etc..), also till he's back in the semester where Spring Fling's preparing. Now let's moving on, Jim, who he's going to make things right for all of Arcadia and Akiridion-5, which he taught Toby well to be the Trollhunter of the original timeline, while he, not only he finished the Spanish test for Uhl, but he'll never missed the rehearsals, just as he'll be impressed by Claire, while Toby was gonna did the similar things to Jim from the original timeline, but Toby never did miss the rehearsal, but he'll capture and adopt the rogue gnome who'll be named Chompsky, while facing and saving Draal in the same time, as Toby will have two wingmen, Draal and AaArRrGgHh!!!. In other words, he'll have the configurations he'll get along, are Aja, Krel, Varvatos Vex, Douxie, Archie, Jim, Claire, Blinky, AaArRrGgHh!!!, Draal, Zoe, and Toby, in the alternative timeline, even though Jim thought there's the 9th configuration. In other words, I think Jim should've gone back and made Toby the new Trollhunter. Anyways, I'm still hoping for the Tales of Arcadia shorts, and even the bloopers. They may never be confirmed, but I'm not losing hope, either ways, I felt neutral of the ending of Rise of the Titans.

[@acke_odz131]

But in Trollhunters it was shown that Merlin already knew Jim was a trollhunter in the future and that when they found Merlin in the tomb he was expecting them and he was expecting Jim and he knew he was a trollhunter. So how did the amulet choose Toby. Maybe if Toby would take the amulet and show it to Jim and then the amulet would be returned to him and what would happen when they find and wake Merlin from the tomb and Merlin knows that Jim is a trollhunter and yet Toby is a trollhunter. How would Merlin react. Or maybe Jim wants him to be a trollhunter because he knows that he should rule excalibur and he can have another amulet from the excalibur stone but how would excalibur come to the future it's complicated but write me what you think?

[@stoatthemammal]

There was an entire episode about how Jim HAD to have the amulet or else Gunmar kills everyone in like a week

[@Apexthebeast]

Let me just stop you there, Hell no. That ending was a complete joke, an assassination of years of character development and lore. It's like Guillermo is spitting on the fandoms face with his old ass face. Toby wasn't written to be the main character, he's literally the vision of a secondary sidekick. He's the troupe itself!! I feel deeply hurt and struck from this ending. I wish I could wipe this from canon. Ya know what, no. It isn't canon. It's not my or the fandoms ending. What's canon is that the amulet calls to Toby to tell him to give it to Jim. Just to cement the idea that Jim was always ment to be the trollhunters, even in different timelines.

[@abrr2000]

They could have changed one thing and it would have made this ending make a LOT more sense... If Jim kept his medalion through the time jump. Meaning that there is now two medalions in this time line, and thus letting Tobes become the Trollhunter AS WELL, suddenly makes a LOT of sense.

[@vpasha]

You can't change fate, if Toby is going to die, he's going to die one way or another

[@Johanjannes]

No it wasn’t and remember the point of toby holding the amulet was to make a really big chance in the timeline self if I think this wasn’t necessary since he could make the changes himself knowing what he know

[@weeaboo-warrior]

The same things happen, Jim dies, Toby goes back and time and gives him the troll hunter powers instead. Cycle continues.

[@Brit-One]

If Toby was the troll hunter, there is no doubt in my mind, Bular would have killed him and then everyone would die. Him being the troll hunter is just stupid, him being a... let's be frank he is 2 burgers short of a heart attack he would have died in basic training.

[@FatAchiever-ht1ij]

Okay I know I’m a year late and you won’t read this or make a theory about this but does anybody notice that blinky is telling the story at the beginning or the movie, so does he remember, did things workout and Jim became troll hunter again or did Jim tell them all and things did good. Please make a theory about this it would be sick

[@sho1578]

The events that happened in the story literally did not happen just because of the ending, all that character development and adventures that they all had together did not happen at all. It basically took away the main value of the episode Unbecoming, all of that to show why merlin chose jim just to be ruined when toby's name gets called telling us that either jim wasn't any special at all or the plot is revolving around toby now. Jim risked a LOT just for a CHANCE to get a better ending which makes the ending even more worse. Im hoping that the episode Unbecoming is actually just gone from the timeline because if that episode is still true, then that would mean that toby would end up dying just like Draal but this time, it isnt actually a dream.

[@qvcybe]

i don't get why they didn't have the story loop showing what changed by him going back in time and trying again also did he ever lose the op amulet i forget if it showed that he didn't have it still))

[@miraculoustrollhunters]

Yes! Another Trollhunter video! I miss this show so much❤

[@taranbellam5857]

talk about the ending instead to fit in better but ok

[@HestiaVesta]

Well giving where the Infracorpula was if they redeem Strikiler which I think Jim was trying to do with inviting him over right away he could convince Strikler to tell him where Angor Rot is and givenhom his soul back so then he won't be interested in killing Troll Hunters anymore and they would gain a POWERFUL ally.

[@Bydnelg]

We have to remember the only reason Jim survives past episode 1 is because Toby told him to use his culinary skills for combat. Toby doesn't have any skill set to be inspired by in parallel so how is he to get as far in the beginning.

[@BlockyRBLXGaming]

i got a lil theory, what if Trollhunters is just an infinite loop? since Toby died, Jim went back in time to give him the mantle, and then later down the line with Toby as the Trollhunter (if he even survives the encounter with Draal, no offense Toby fans,) Jim dies and goes back in time so Jim gets the mantle and it happens all over again

[@jrosario0126]

I thought the amulet chooses the troll hunter not the first who graves it after one dies, jim should be still the troll hunter even if toby finds it first, if it was possible if would no be just his future he changes but also his past, as in wizards they went back in time to complete the time loob that gives birth to the original timeline

[@max_w3ii]

It woulda been really interesting if the movie ended with his death and him being the troll hunter would be a spin-off what if series. We could see a lot of different outcomes like what if Jim didn’t go alone into the dark lands and things like that.

[@bumblegod1273]

Do you think they’re still going to continue Trollhunters because a lot of people including the fan base still want more of it

[@blemmitt]

I doubt it

[@ВалеріяЛісова-ц5ч]

Jim was chosen by the amulet at the very beginning which meant he was the only suitable character To take on the responsibility of a Trollhunter Which brings me to a conclusion That despite going back in time and wanting Toby to be the new Trollhunter Jim should’ve been chosen anyway.. Because Conjar chose him for a reason and did not choose Toby.. Well Either way, I guess the movie Creators don’t really want to continue the film that’s obvious

[@RandomGames12345]

i think that if there is a sequel then it would be that jim actually fainted after he struck down belroc and fell down (i mean he did get hit pretty brutally and also after he escaped the darklands he didnt want the amulet anymore so unkar showed him what would have happened if he didnt pick it up) so toby dying and him travelling to the past was just a nightmare so he would just continue his earthly duties doing the "for the good of all daylight is mine to command" thing and not messing up timelines

[@RandomGames12345]

thats the best way for guillermo to make a sequel

[@Faizy-c3r]

Its not gonna be easy for Toby to fight like a troll hunter..its only possible for Jim..by the way if Jim sent Toby to canals to get the amulent..maybe he did this as he was having his own amulent

[@thegamingbro7810]

this does make sense

[@Faizy-c3r]

@@thegamingbro7810 Also at the end of The Rse Of The Titans Jim said before going back to time that "no matter what happens I will make sure that this isn't a goodbye" This means Jim has some plans.

[@janusinitiative3520]

On Tumblr, many theorize that Rise of the Titans was just Blinky's crack fic. I like this idea,really helps when watching said movie again

[@noahdragoon1855]

You can tell Jim has problems accepting people he cares dies. He can't let go. And I have theories that it is not the first time everything is reset. Take Merlin's say. He supposedly met Jim when he was an adult but didn't...

[@erickulakovich7303]

Tbh they really should've made a gunmar movie on his origins first kills how the triumbric stones came into being.

[@that1nerd756]

My biggest gripe about this film is that Wizards didn't set a good enough foundation for it to even have a chance at being super compelling. I honestly think that after Wizards aired the way it aired, there was no chance for this movie to be completely satisfying, because the series it directly follows up also was not satisfying. The Arcane Order are terrible villains in almost every sense, and the way characters die without fanfare makes it pretty obvious that they're going to undo it some way. The time travel and random Mpreg have been complained about to death, so I won't, but this film was honestly just baffling. They started 6 feet under and brought a shovel to dig themselves in deeper.

[@SupericeCap]

Every time I think about this ending I’m mad

[@redrasegarden]

Ya know a lot of people were upset by the samurai jack. I myself, got it I didn’t really like it, I was also sad. But I got it. No aku, no doomed future, no aku cult,no ashi. What’s more jack had to go back centuries, maybe even millennia, to truly win against aku. The future would change because of this Ya know what could have saved the ending? Just send Jim back 18 hours at least! There was nothing that said they couldn’t use the time stone thing to just go back later in the day, do a bit of a speed run (with things being better) and rap up in the same style of regular show.

[@DragonGoddess18]

Yeah, just go back to the moment where Toby (accidentally) screwed up with the subway

[@redrasegarden]

@@DragonGoddess18 or when they were reading that book so Jim could tell blinky pages are stuck together

[@actuallyjenkins6617]

I honestly hated troll hunters rise of the titans and I’m still mad to this day that the shows didn’t get the ending that they truly deserved

[@DDiamond8374]

I'll only accept Toby being the Trollhunter if Jim has the new amulet Douxie & Krel made.

[@thegamingbro7810]

frfr

[@redhood1278]

I just hope Jim still had the amulet where krel and douxie made it and I hoping they continue the franchise and I think the movie ending is a more of a cliffhanger though

[@karagraves6012]

We watched ROTT for the first time last night and... it was so disappointing, for so many reasons, many of which you cover here. What I'm starting to think is that the movie was a condensed version of what likely would have happened if Wizards hadn't been changed to a limited release. (And, unfortunately, both Wizards and Rise of the Titans were worse for that.) But what's really, really bugging me about the whole time-travel deus ex machina ending is this: The movie opens with Blinky telling the story. That type of framing is a popular storytelling device (3 Below uses it as well--successfully), but that framing device doesn't stand up to what happens in the movie. Blinky can't TELL THE STORY BECAUSE THE STORY GOT ERASED. Beyond that, I hate how much growth and character development just got flushed down the toilet. Nothing that happens in any of the series matters, and that's a shame because one of the things I've always loved about the franchise is how it never pulled punches. Characters made very real sacrifices-- and those sacrifices MATTERED. Until they didn't. (Also, I am 100% convinced Douxie is James Lake Sr. Between the recurring themes of "no more running away" and "a wizard doesn't make mistakes, he creates opportunities" it makes vast amounts of sense to me. Douxie is hundreds of years old, and already seems to have a fondness for redheads with blue eyes, if you look at Zoe. That's my headcanon and I'm sticking to it.)

[@TheMagicianPhysician-re8ub]

I agree that the ending sucks

[@mememasterjames2070]

I always imaged they Toby would get his ass whipped by Bular

[@Hyliana-jq9ri]

The amulet knew from the start it would be Jim, he can't just think to go back and have toby find it that it would change anything, the amulete doesnt just choose the first person it sees, and Toby isnt the hero, Jim is, Toby is the true hero, but by coecidence not by destiny, that was meant for Jim, the og timeline is the right one because everyone had the right role, they just took the movie and killed off the wrong people, instead of Toby it could have been arrgamont who saved him, like the book, as well as somone other than strickler dieing since he was to inportant to inportant as jims new dad to die just like that, he didnt die heroically, not like douxies cat (whoms name i forgot) who had a proper heroic death, though someone who again was too important to die, and for asha and krel to loose no one who was inportant to them in the movie

[@Rama-sm4hp]

Maybe Jims still has his improved armor and can help with the defeat of bular, angor, gunmar, and stop toby from becoming a troll(?)

[@aydinchannel9963]

I have this wild theory so at the start of the movie Blinky was reading a book what if the film is just book and the movie and everyone dying didn't happen ? what if the ending never happened and they either won or something else happened Dreamworks can't hide this for long as Overall this could be something

[@amandakushner8665]

Or maybe this is a vision of the future

[@kitten_limegirl]

I feel like the movie would be okay if stickler and toby didnt die and jim didnt gi back in time. It still wouldnt be my fav thing but it wouldnt reverse all the development in the series

[@JustJarms]

if there is any updates on this would love a video about it if the creators talk about there being a sequel

[@TanvirKabir-pl9gq]

If I was the writer I would have destroyed earth and left jim and his friends alive and force Jim to time travel. Because that's the only choice he has. Then I would have make Jim trollhunter again and he would fight again against troll but this time alone. Then kill all the bad guys except his mother's boyfriend. Then we will fast forward time and show that earth is saved.Everyone is older now. Jim and Claire already married have kids. And maybe unite all of them for Christmas celebration. How do you guys like this version of the story please comment.