Smash Summit 14 was Out of This World

[@pgstats]

Who would you send to fight the aliens in a set of Melee?

[@aquarios7851]

Chudat so he can irritate them

[@koldking]

Peak Mew2king

[@RoRo13890]

Plup (he’s kinda TAS bruv)

[@narhwallord6985]

I think Mang0 has brought up this debate before, a long time ago. If you want to have the highest chance of saving the world, you send in Armada. But for the hype, you send Mang0.

[@henryreturns1397]

You send Armada to save the world. You send Mang0 and he gamble the Earth’s life on a fucking Falco’s down air

[@Michael-hc2hp]

"It was almost a debate if we need a back throw limit for Fox" lmao

[@GrootGuitar]

Lost my marbles when I heard that.

[@joshiboy9157]

This beginning felt like a fever dream.

[@noisepollution4473]

hbox vs jmook in the losers bracket was one of my favorite sets of melee I've ever seen

[@Migota_]

The mid set popoffs from jmook killed me

[@noisepollution4473]

if that lightning kick had worked it would be my number 1, that was such a crazy set

[@voodooedits785]

Nobody is going to talk about this but the few amount of players winning a melee major from losers bracket aren’t as common which shows how much smaller the gap is between the top ten and the top 20 today is here. This is by far the most competitive melee has been. Also winners bracket mango is hitting different right now.

[@wispyone3702]

So stacked you didn't even mention how insane Jmook was and his close loss to HBox! God, please let a solo shiek win a major sometime soon.

[@morgydee]

Soon

[@milvilleromain57]

He destroyed Leffen and had the best set of the tournament with HB imo. Got up from my couch a 3am watching this set

[@itsyaboi1245]

jgoat

[@ryanbell6545]

"back-throw limit on fox" is so funny lol

[@bootleg6595]

Soonsay has always been good but he really proved himself as a prominent top 10 threat. It's like jmooks genesis run, and In big house 10 tournament, the hardest tournament, soonsay went crazy and got top 8

[@B463L]

@Bootleg clapping Leffen, KoDoRiN, and Pipsqueak in the same tourney is no joke

[@hardnewstakenharder]

He's the new leffen.

[@letstalkfiction5187]

Man I’m just happy for Mang0

[@irongiant5951]

Jmook Hbox was, imo, the most hype set this summit. Seeing The Mook™ doing mid-set popoffs for the first time, actively seeing hbox get sweaty and trying his best, game 5 last stock, god it was so good

[@TrulyVerity]

I’d send mango on account of he’s the grittiest guy in melee, the goat, he has that dog in him, etc

[@lordgeki8863]

Amsas game play this year has made everyone so much better, hes raised the bar and is high key the biggest threat each tournament.

[@larssigno1842]

If anyone hasn't seen it, the Axe vs Hbox set (Axe plays fox) is really one of the most interesting sets from last weekend. Axe dismantled a lot of the ideas I had around the fox puff matchup as both a viewer and a player.

[@JonathanScarlet]

IIRC they've always hyped Axe as having absolutely ridiculous tech chasing/reactionability, so that down-throw tech chase style really fit with him and might be problematic for other foxes, potentially. THat being said, it was a really interesting and possibly innovative idea (or just one that no one's tried for about a decade or two) imo, and I think it opens up a lot of new avenues for Foxes and Puffs to approach the match-up. To my novice eyes, it honestly seems like a completely separate playstyle from what i usually see, so who knows how long (if ever) before the two mesh.

[@azurezeed]

Yeah, I've never seen a fox play with that strategy reminded me of how zain started to win against hbox

[@EvilOrso]

Can't believe there wasn't a mention of the Axe Fox

[@crazycoolkids00]

Yeah, there was a lot not mentioned. Amsa's insane run, the reverse 3-0 on Hbox when ibdw found his footing…a lot of epic happened here.

[@RJA]

Next year is going to be hbox mango dueling it out, both are mentally the 2 strongest players.

[@dinospumoni5611]

aMSa seems to have really strong mental calmness too

[@RJA]

@@dinospumoni5611 but he plays Yoshi, I feel like hbox with puff tech skill could be insane. Especially if he mixes it up with his already really good campy playstyle.

[@TheZexal]

Mang0 did say before that if aliens were going to destroy the Earth unless one person could beat them in melee, he'd send himself cuz it's just way more hype.

[@zacharyalford8185]

I don't watch too much melee, but I came in from time to time, and this is quite incredible coming from ult. The next year is set up to be even more exciting, and this year hasn't even ended yet

[@LINKedup101]

The final tournaments of the year are gonna be certified bangers, especially the return of Apex and it's infamous Salty Suite

[@zacharyalford8185]

@@LINKedup101 I definitely gotta tune in for it, gonna be so fun

[@Sirmackerel]

Yesss more cinnarin content from pgstats

[@SSB_Seal]

I appreciated the Outer Space from Super Paper Mario and Factory Inspection from Kirby 64 BGM in this video. Also one small thing, I don't like when people say "box" to refer to any digital controller due to it being pronounced identically to "b0xx", which Pip does not use (he uses a Frame One).

[@eboobooboo2348]

I was really surprised that the jmook and hbox set was not covered at all.

[@topherharrison8042]

Bro 2022 melee is so exciting!

[@jordandwiggins1026]

That SPM music though

[@2maka5u]

This reminds me of Ping Pong The Animation

[@DrWavy-fq2qk]

I think at this point we should just default to seeding IBDW at bare minimum the 2 seed for summits, even if bro falls off in regular tournaments 💀

[@FlamingZelda3]

when cody's got his gf behind him he's godlike.

[@dhaxiskhadhammer]

Smash Summit Sunday Cody is a different animal for sure

[@olefshn4464]

@@FlamingZelda3 We need to implement an emotional-support-from-girlfriend limit.

[@greatwhitnorth]

At no point ever should anyone count Mang0 out to win anything

[@Wienerdog5]

Bro i hear the super paper mario music in the background at the beginning. Respect

[@FlamingZelda3]

the very first song is a melee remix of some earthbound music. the song after that is paper mario thousand year door esque, but it also has a very fire emblem path of radiance vibe so i'm not sure what it is.

[@Wienerdog5]

@@FlamingZelda3 its from super paper mario. Its the space world theme (forgot the name of it)

[@Mysticshosh42]

@@FlamingZelda3 do yourself a favor and play Super Paper Mario it's great

[@FizzMax]

Appreciate it! For anyone wondering the song is literally called Outer Space - Super Paper Mario

[@Wienerdog5]

@@FizzMax Super paper mario is the goat. Im assuming you're an editor? If so thanks.

[@ItsTheAtomicGamer]

The Mang0 vs Armada GOAT debate feels scarily Lebron/Jordan esque in terms of comparing the two's career consistency and difference in longevity. Mang is the goat btw

[@Supertaldo916]

Jordan and Mang0 the goats. Nuff said.

[@olefshn4464]

Armada literally has a winning h2h against everybody except Captain Jack whom he played all the way back in like 08 and SilentSpectre which was played on a 0.9 knock ratio. He also never placed lower than 5th, only lost to 12 players, and won 17 of the 42 tournaments that him, Mang0 and Hbox all attended while Mang0 only won 9 of the 42. Statistics points to Armada as the GOAT, there's no doubt about it.

[@bigshark9567]

@@olefshn4464 Armada was definitely the best player when he played, but he doesn’t play anymore. We’re talking about all-time goAT, armada has no results for the last four years. I think it’s important to note that he stopped, and melee is the most competitive it’s ever been right now and mango still gets great wins in this more competitive era. If he still played and stayed dominant, no doubt, but because he quit and melee being so competitive right now I don’t think it’s as definitive as you say.

[@olefshn4464]

@@bigshark9567 So Mang0 playing the game for 4 more years overrides all of Armada's accomplishments? Not to mention in the 4 years post Armada's retirement, Mang0 hasnt achieved rank 1 nor showed Armada-like dominance of winning over half of all the majors and only losing to the very best of the players. Wayne Gretzky hasn't competed in ice hockey for 2 decades now and he's still considered to be the undisputed GOAT of that sport. It's foolish to think Armada isn't the GOAT anymore just because he's retired lol.

[@supernaturaltychoon3164]

@@bigshark9567 That's like saying MkLeo is the GOAT smash 4 player because he kept playing the game while ZeRo quit lmao. The GOAT debate is all about the legacy, not about who's still playing and who's not.

[@nathanwilliams2130]

Awesome video!

[@Astar72439]

Mang0, IBDW, Zain, or Amsa I think are the likely top 4 best players rn. Idk what order to put ‘em in tho.

[@gravityvertigo13579]

Usually I'm pretty tired of all the Fox, but oh man, watching Soonsay was revelatory. A bunch of weird, awesome choices I'm not used to seeing.

[@aquarios7851]

ITS TIME FOR STATS

[@plabcentral630]

I don’t know much melee puffs so when hbox eventually retires will there be another puff, or will there be no more puff?

[@thebenis3157]

He's been the only Puff in top 30 for the last 10 years or something

[@noisepollution4473]

We've got a few other puffs but hbox is a tier above them, they're improving though if you like melee puff, 2saint is fun to watch

[@Riley-u8m]

@@noisepollution4473 I'd say hbox is like 3 or 4 tiers above them tbh

[@JonathanScarlet]

@@Riley-u8m Imo it's a real shame that HBox is the only, like, real pioneer for puff. It's not like PIkachu, who has some talent that's about as good as Axe in Swift and Ralph (meme status at this Summit aside), or Yoshi who has the same sort of singular bannerman in Amsa but it arguably won't hurt as much because YOshi's usually seen as a mid-tier anyways. When Mango and HBox agree to retire (or stop being relevant to winning majors), it may well knock Puff out of S-tier unless people like CPU0, SOlo, 2Saint or Panko can get up there with him. I mean, I don't know for sure as I'm not that super-versed in that stuff, but looking at it from a player-relevance angle it feels like her status in S-tier is held up by HBox alone. When he falls, she goes with him.

[@sebastiansullivan4770]

If Hbox learns techskills he will be... unbeatable?

[@MrNocturnalEmission]

I felt like Hbox was playing unusual, he doesn't camp nearly as much as he used to.

[@spritenqa3334]

where's armada?

[@hardnewstakenharder]

Is the narrator the WatchMojo lady?

[@themonoloco8245]

Prime armada, mango, and borp.

[@jms214az]

Mango is the GOAT

[@BotActivity]

thought i was on a watchmojo video for a second

[@christophermiddlebrooks3455]

Mang0 the GOAT 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@plabcentral630]

I am very bad and super smash brothers melee.

[@koldking]

Let's gooooo

[@jay-ks1ex]

Mangoat*

[@Poketubbies]

Cinnarin da goat

[@jalonridley6975]

Soonsay top 10 chat? Like if u agree

[@radchum]

Mang0 the goat

[@5gods]

Plup Leffen and Wizzy were all insanely rusty , 3/4 vote ins could barely win a game , that meant 10/16 players legitimately had a chance at winning. My challenge for summit is change up the formula . No more gauntlet . No more mafia . Add some high value Pokémon cards ($10,000+) as prizes . Invite more qualified people like Magi, 2Saint, Salt, and Moky. Do something besides make it seem like a Zhu clique celebration

[@JmanJarquise]

so many dbz references lol

[@xenocide1307]

It's amazing that we live in 2022 and content creators still don't know when to use the word good vs when to use well

[@kachowabunga17]

who cares

[@curiosityunbound5460]

Linguists (the people who study language and its use) haven't cared about prescriptive grammar in ages, and if the academics don't care neither should you. You're not being smart, you're just being annoying.

[@OddMeterMusic]

Notification squad

[@JackOLanter]

Armada's the GOAT.

[@BobJones-bg4ui]

First

[@threeeyes7469]

Missed how Jmook. Lost to Hbox, Hbox and Hbox

[@aquarios7851]

ITS TIME FOR STATS