Smash Summit 7 - Spoiler-free Mafia

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Beyond the Summit - Smash

Beyond the Summit - Smash

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@herbmaaster
@herbmaaster 6 жыл бұрын
Scar S Tier (Max Empathy) Leffen SS Tier (Zero Empathy)
@Kuronak237
@Kuronak237 6 жыл бұрын
Every year when I watched mafia at summit, if Leffen played I would see him get killed early because of how good he apparently was. I now see why that was the case.
@ElectricEye72
@ElectricEye72 6 жыл бұрын
Scar and Ludwig fighting is the highlight of this mafia LOL
@mrMario468
@mrMario468 6 жыл бұрын
What minute?
@bryson7329
@bryson7329 6 жыл бұрын
1:29:05
@SF3284
@SF3284 6 жыл бұрын
Scar vs Scar
@X0v3r
@X0v3r 6 жыл бұрын
@ 1:44:00 who tf is saying "2 scar! " XD
@cris931609
@cris931609 6 жыл бұрын
The Leffen-Rishi-Fake Cop play won Mafia the game. It was too advanced for Smashers to find out lmao.
@mdmike4n
@mdmike4n 6 жыл бұрын
that play basically got axe and scar killed. next level mind games
@Pharoah2
@Pharoah2 6 жыл бұрын
It was obvious if you paid attention though? Rishi realized the net was closing in and took two town with him. Leffen REFUSED to entertain that idea and shut it down without a second thought. Sus af
@cris931609
@cris931609 6 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. They should have killed Rishi as soon as he said he checked Scar and Axe. At that point he was a fake cop or a really bad one. Even Leffen asked why he didnt check him or Hbox. The mindgame was that Rishi guessed 2 easy towns and made it seem like they were sus like him. Leffen was really sus for me because he never really went in on anyone, even though he was town leader. That's something Leffen usually does. When he said they should kill Scar before Bananas in the last round is when Bananas became sus too. And Shab should have been killed earlier because he didnt say shit throughout the whole game.
@IronicHavoc
@IronicHavoc 6 жыл бұрын
@@Pharoah2 It could be sus but I see people shut stuff like that down all the time with no ulterior motive. Give him some credit.
@herbmaaster
@herbmaaster 5 жыл бұрын
rishi was utterly bland the entire game so it was perfectly ambiguous. horrible cop but effective fake cop. it only worked because nobody even thought to question leffen.
@Imdaleader
@Imdaleader 6 жыл бұрын
After knowing that the medic was dead, the town should've wonder why leffen was still alive. They all knew that he wasnt getting saved and he was a valuable player. The fact that it wasnt brought up once was the reason they lost, imo. And the "they kept me alive because they want town to think I'm mafia" arguement for leffen wouldn't really cover him too much because everyone already thought he was town. GG Leffen. You are a god
@ppokep
@ppokep 6 жыл бұрын
That's a great point I hadn't thought of, mafia never keeps trusted town alive. Leffen had everyone so eating out of his hand that they didn't question that for a second or how Rishi -had- to have picked at least one mafia with his checks. Big Lef indeed.
@nintendork9207
@nintendork9207 5 жыл бұрын
Proof that sometimes, smashers can be total fucking simpletons and mooks(myself included, obv).
@bryson7329
@bryson7329 6 жыл бұрын
It is astounding how wrong Toph is 100% of the time
@Psytheslasher
@Psytheslasher 6 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@Nikkerman
@Nikkerman 6 жыл бұрын
Litterallý the next matched he predicted scar as mafia though at the start
@jamiecal11
@jamiecal11 6 жыл бұрын
@@Nikkerman You throw enough darts at the board, you'll hit a bullseye eventually. If you're going for big shot in the dark calls every game, you're still not dependable because you get 1 in 5 right.
@Nikkerman
@Nikkerman 6 жыл бұрын
@@jamiecal11 looking back on it he probably was just hard carried by his scar knowledge
@Psytheslasher
@Psytheslasher 6 жыл бұрын
@@jamiecal11 yeah hes always quick to call scar town or mafia like every time
@Nikkerman
@Nikkerman 6 жыл бұрын
They had bananas by the balls and never capitalized
@Tselel
@Tselel 6 жыл бұрын
Ludwig feels like a frat guy trying to fit in with a swarm of nerds that are hellbent on giving him a hard time.
@hideharu-xiii8852
@hideharu-xiii8852 5 жыл бұрын
1:27:27 The look of a man who is impressed with his own work.
@mckibb_n2868
@mckibb_n2868 6 жыл бұрын
L stands for Ludwig. What a drop.
@timothyalarcon9184
@timothyalarcon9184 6 жыл бұрын
Specifically leffen being the first to jump hard on rishi as the fake was a very very strong play. Also if mafia had the double tap power I'm sure they would have used it on the round after axe was killed which would've made the game even more interesting.
@niceprofile-k6i
@niceprofile-k6i 6 жыл бұрын
the very beginning of the video made me realize how much of a social scene melee is. we look at these people like professionals but they seem more like a core group of people that has known each other fairly well for years, almost a decade at this point. it makes me realize that if melee revolves around the social dynamic as this group, it will only last in this way as long as they stay friends.
@herbmaaster
@herbmaaster 6 жыл бұрын
youre correct, unless you're a player who is apart of their local or regional scene and/or social dynamic
@MtCzM
@MtCzM 6 жыл бұрын
I knew I should've trusted Scar... OMFG LEFFEN IS SUCH A GOD
@Fortified__
@Fortified__ 6 жыл бұрын
Leffen is so high IQ that he realized Ludwigs anger at Scar for Rishi that he fueled Ludwig by agreeing with him and then that mad Scar even angrier and caused the town to turn on them selves
@joelluna3386
@joelluna3386 6 жыл бұрын
Leffen is my favorite melee player i was trusting on him 100% tonight... i got my heart broken that was a great mafia game
@zackolot
@zackolot 6 жыл бұрын
There was a spoiler in the beginning where he lifted his head before the screen faded on night 0 so I was suspecting him the entire time
@marcopolourquiza5739
@marcopolourquiza5739 4 жыл бұрын
@@zackolot i remember intentionally trying to forget that cause i tought i have just spoiled the game for myself. Turn out that the game was so long i did forgot.
@tommydoxey4181
@tommydoxey4181 6 жыл бұрын
"I think we can all agree that Leffen's a psychopath" -Ludwig
@hyperbruv9578
@hyperbruv9578 6 жыл бұрын
It was so painful seeing Blur call out everything right and people disagreeing, saying Hbox is mafia, and how Leffen just played everyone so hard, especially scar.
@herbmaaster
@herbmaaster 6 жыл бұрын
as soon as rishi came out as cop and was still alive i knew leffen was mafia
@SirWalruston
@SirWalruston 6 жыл бұрын
I'm still completely dumbfounded that they never found out Leffen was mafia. Like, the sheer fact that he stayed alive for so long over other people clearly marked him as mafia, not even counting when he steered the discussion away from Rishi towards Axe and managed to actually get Axe killed when Rishi was explicitly 100% mafia. I swear all mafia needs to do is keep Scar and Toph alive, they'll win the game for the mafia just by being alive lmao
@sunder572
@sunder572 6 жыл бұрын
This bodes well for my theory that the best Melee players are also the best Mafia players. Armada, Mang0, Hbox, and Leffen now.
@bretonkyle
@bretonkyle 6 жыл бұрын
Suggestions: audio during the night as well as officially revealing roles at the end. I know some later games of mafia had nighttime audio, but the role reveal would still be appreciated for the sake of resolution and analysis
@platypusfriend77
@platypusfriend77 6 жыл бұрын
I just realized, like 10 minutes later, that Rishi actually won the game. He knew that coming out as cop would get the people he picked killed. He used the fake cop call offensively... my brain is broken.
@jzyyz
@jzyyz 3 жыл бұрын
If he had stayed alive, he would have netted the same amount of kills through simply maintaining 2 kill power.
@Galladefan777
@Galladefan777 6 жыл бұрын
Toph is probably the worst Mafia player who doesn't realize they are bad.
@dereklewis4321
@dereklewis4321 6 жыл бұрын
He over analyzes everything. "He smiled at me round 1, hes town" "He looked at the floor when I was talking about mafia, hes mafia"
@patricktelesmanic5262
@patricktelesmanic5262 6 жыл бұрын
Why is leffen light from death note
@BloodyYTNamingNonsense
@BloodyYTNamingNonsense 6 жыл бұрын
More like L.
@azureii_
@azureii_ 6 жыл бұрын
What an awesome round. I feel like the town kills on Swedish and Axe were both both extremely weak, but I guess when you've got 4 mafia alive it's much easier to deceive town to follow a poor vote. This was definitely Leffen's victory, but Rishi did a great job playing his part.
@timothyalarcon9184
@timothyalarcon9184 6 жыл бұрын
Why do you think they're weak? I thought axe was standard, he was quiet and off the rishi tell I thought it was fine. Swedish was quiet as well and west had a good call-out on him trying to get someone killed plus west may have been the cop.
@magicalwizard99
@magicalwizard99 6 жыл бұрын
they voted axe because Rishi "checked" Axe and Scar when he claimed to be cop. Leffen stated that since Rishi was mafia, he would have "checked" another mafia member to make it seem like the mafia were town. When this notion appeared, Scar got nervous and pointed his finger at Axe and since Scar is a reliable town member with lots of charisma, they went with it. And since Axe was really town, and the notion still lived that one of them was mafia, Scar was next and it was all over. I agree that Axe was weak, but Leffen played that game like a fiddle.
@JoeSmith-db4rq
@JoeSmith-db4rq 6 жыл бұрын
I freaking love Mafia at Summit and always really look forward to it happening, but just a comment towards whoever is the mod (assuming it’s still @Slime) as it could very likely actually affect future games... when the town is voting, the majority should be decided by the amount of voters, not the number of alive people. In other words, when they’re being voted against, that person does not count as a townsperson. There were quite a few times in this game where there were an even number of people, requiring (for example) 8/14 people to vote against a person whereas there were actually only 13 voters, requiring 7 votes... it sounds insignificant, but from personal experience, every vote absolutely counts. 8/13 is a BIG majority (over 60%) and that can really change the flow of the game. That is all :)
@chimchardashian
@chimchardashian 5 жыл бұрын
That's not true. Votes should be decided by a majority of alive people. In the situation in which there are four people and two are town while the other two are mafia, mafia are supposed to win. If voting were to be decided by the number of voters, town would win in this situation because the two town members could vote on a mafia member and that would be a majority.
@SoLinkSmash
@SoLinkSmash 6 жыл бұрын
Mafia was godlike this round. Turning Scar and Ludwig against each other was a galaxy brain move. I was convinced that Ludwig was mafia at 1:29:15 bc I thought he was trying to shut down the Scar conversation, but it was actually mafia 7D Chessing it up. Loved this game so much.
@MyNameIsVelox
@MyNameIsVelox 6 жыл бұрын
Bananas and shab were the easiest reads ever imo
@HamsterCrusher13
@HamsterCrusher13 6 жыл бұрын
I knew leffen's bitch ass was mafia because he shouldn't have lived that long
@Zoronii
@Zoronii 6 жыл бұрын
I just wanna say I love Ludwig. He makes these Mafia games absolutely hilarious. Dude is wild.
@sebisu14
@sebisu14 6 жыл бұрын
Leff with the kira every summit
@DemoniqueTrance
@DemoniqueTrance 6 жыл бұрын
Would be great listening to some interviews after the game for the next time, a more structured version of all the players excitedly talking about the game.
@dereklewis4321
@dereklewis4321 6 жыл бұрын
They should do post game interviews each time someone is voted out.
@Gamenetzwerk
@Gamenetzwerk 6 жыл бұрын
This seems to be the best mafia round ever. So Hype.
@dereklewis4321
@dereklewis4321 6 жыл бұрын
This is a close tie with the D1, La Luna and Duck (Mafia) final 3.
@nayrx3202
@nayrx3202 6 жыл бұрын
Leffen is a god no one accused him all game! Lol
@jc-pi9lf
@jc-pi9lf 6 жыл бұрын
Leffen is this year's westballs
@dereklewis4321
@dereklewis4321 6 жыл бұрын
Ludwig is nuts. His energy is the best. Also that Coldplay joke? Wtf
@AbnormalPenguins
@AbnormalPenguins 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure this has already been pointed out multiple times but they fucked up with the cut to black screen on night 1 and revealed Leffen raising his head even if the audio was off, spoiling for anyone who noticed. I happened to be looking at that part of the screen right before the screen cut, so now I'll never truly be able to experience this classic blind. Feels fuckin' bad.
@robertchoi1930
@robertchoi1930 6 жыл бұрын
Ludwig threw this game, imo. I think he was a little too belligerent, which drew heat off Leffen. Furthermore, his only solid reason for doubting Scar was that Rishi chose him as one of his fake-cop picks. Leffen explicitly stated that Rishi would definitely use the opportunity of claiming fake cop to protect a mafia member. Leffen is way too good of a mafia player not to realize the strategic short-term and LONG-TERM benefits of naming two townspeople in a fake-cop claim. In the short term, you have two townspeople who are more likely to believe you are town, and in the long term, you cast doubt on two townspeople when you are eventually found out. If Ludwig hadn't been so belligerent and bought this line wholesale, someone might've been able to press Leffen on this. I also don't appreciate that he kept harping on how much Scar was talking, because everything Scar was saying made sense and was helpful. If they had killed Bananas that round, Leffen's still being alive would have been a huge red flag and they might've had a shot at the game. It would be a huge uphill battle because of how deeply entrenched the belief that he was town had become.
@TheHatmanTheHitokori
@TheHatmanTheHitokori 6 жыл бұрын
Leff did a really good job with acting as town, everything he said was town-esque and it's the standard play for someone like him, hbox, or mango who are good talkers. No matter what their role is, they play a role like town mayor, and then make their plays with long cons & late game moves, but for the first rounds they always act town, and while I give this credit because it is not easy - Leff didn't MVP this game. The Rishi double town fake cop claim was a MVP play, because it let a narrative spin off that. The meta of these mafia games are usually 1 tier mindgames, so it was very easy to believe that either axe or scar was mafia and RIshi was using the claim to cover one of his own. The other mvp for Mafia was Scar, I think he totally misplayed what he was trying to explain, near the end I did agree with Hbox that scar getting really emotional was up the alley of him as town. But he was not doing town leader stuff in the beginning (he usually kicks in with this during round 1 with mango town reads or by round 2... from my recollection). And then Scar was just in a bad place with having called Swedish, which was a good line of logic for killing mafia even from Hbox, his biggest defender down the line. He was calm at first then flippant at the end, which I think it made it easier for Toph to feel he was mafia. Other random thoughts: -Hbox is suprsingly weak at town, he had a good read at the end to doubt scar's call, but didn't pick up on things I thought someone of his caliber would (he makes sick mafia plays, it should be similar mindset for town.. but he's definitely a tier down as a town player). i.e. I figured he would be sus of Leffen living so long as town. Also was expecting him to drill into tho subset of people that voted for Swedish past just Scar (even though for above reasons scar seemed to fit the bill for mafia, including this criteria). -Chab? (Bald homie, spelling?) was very clearly mafia just based on body language/his input and good town should've noticed this. he usually talks a lot as town, and gives good insight. This game he avoided everything like the plague and was stone faced. Leffen not calling him out sorta made me sus of leffen till the end, but honestly I suspected Leffen/Hbox were likely town and would deal with them in the final 5/3 if mafia was still around and they were still there etc. -Bananas while not doing anything god tier, does play a good silent mafia - which isn't necessarily hard to do well... but can be easy to mess up, i.e. there are things he could've done wrong, and he didn't do anything wrong (he followed lines of logic very well and covered his teammates + pinned scar pretty well, and totally soaked all scar accusations by remaining calm/silent) He voted for out his outed mafia to appear town, and got the favor of Hbox somewhat. -Ludwig call on rishi was good, and I say by logic alone his call on scar was good, but it was more on scar's misplay IMO. Otherwise he didn't look past this move and could've maybe helped more to find the 3rd and 4th mafia players. -I see a lot of people calling Toph bad, but his logic on scar was pretty good, and as mentioned before scar gave really weird vibes this game (silent, then talkative later) which is a little different than usual.. and all the stuff he did was culpuable so logic+reads I can understand Toph gunning Scar -Axe should've been more emotional about dying as town that late in the game... it was really dumb to kill axe before Rishi on that turn, and that should've been his defense. But silent town he didnt' care enough, think this was another turning point -Westballz role reveal was bad timing without giving info -Not sure who was healer but not saving mango round 1 was a misplay, he was pretty clearly doing his town thing and is top tier target alongside leffen, and at that point mango was giving more all in all was a fun game, mvp play by rishi, followed up by strong execution from leffen some underplay from hbox, scar and the silent towners and weak play from medic + cop
@robertchoi1930
@robertchoi1930 6 жыл бұрын
@@TheHatmanTheHitokori Only thing I really disagree on is this: I don't think scar did anything wrong. He was put in a difficult situation and almost got to say the things he would have needed to in order to save his life, but Ludwig kept telling him to shut up, which killed his train of thought. He was really close to explicating why Rishi would choose two town as mafia, but he got shut down. At the very least, he was being the most logical and clear-sighted person of any of the town players in the last round; Ludwig, Bananas, and Shab as mafia was the most accurate assessment of any of them *especially* considering that Ludwig was super duper throwing the game trying to get scar killed and being unwilling to hear anything to the contrary of his beliefs.
@504branden
@504branden 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertchoi1930 Super late but think about it from Ludwig's pov. He'd been trying to nominate Rishi before he even fake claimed cop. The moment he actually straight up nominates Rishi, he's told by Scar to rescind that nomination for no real particular reason. Also, after he fake claims cop, Rishi said two people were clear (Scar and Axe). If you believe he's actually mafia, it's not a far jump to assume at least one of the people Rishi cleared is Mafia. Once everyone got on the train that Axe was town after he was eliminated, it was just too much evidence against Scar in Ludwig's mind that Scar had to be Mafia. It's much different from Toph who appeared to just have a random read at the beginning and seemingly never got off that read until the end when he didn't vote Scar.
@CaptainFracture
@CaptainFracture 5 жыл бұрын
Scar was honestly so emotionally invested that you had to believe he was town. Leffen was just chilling lmao
@tjtomax
@tjtomax 6 жыл бұрын
Was convinced toph was mafia when he said the fake cop had nothing to gain from calling 2 people villagers. Like nobody is gonna deny being a villager. Especially if they are mafia
@magicalwizard99
@magicalwizard99 6 жыл бұрын
Fake cop (aka rishi) said he checked Axe and Scar and both were innocent. Since he was mafia, he knew who was who and chose two innocent town to give himself credibility as potential cop. I don't know how he did it, but Leffen somehow implanted to notion that since Rishi was fake cop that one of the people he checked were also mafia since Rishi was mafia and he was trying to make it seem like one of the mafias were town (Axe and Scar) to fool the town. Since Axe was killed and since they still had two kill power, Leffen steered the group towards Scar as potential mafia. This play is pretty fucking legit and that rationale is probably what made the rest of the town vote for Scar.
@tonyroot3047
@tonyroot3047 6 жыл бұрын
It's a Light Yagami scheme for sure
@timothyalarcon9184
@timothyalarcon9184 6 жыл бұрын
Best game of mafia at smash summit by far
@PauloSSBM
@PauloSSBM 5 жыл бұрын
Leffen was so obvious lmao he was the town leader and he never died that should be a dead giveaway
@94megamarci
@94megamarci 6 жыл бұрын
Leffen was playing godtier. I was only wondering why he is still alive. Also had a really deep feeling there is a big part of the mafia members still alive in last round cos there was no guaranteed mafia kill I could think of.
@Flowerboy.flores
@Flowerboy.flores 6 жыл бұрын
Dude I had no idea leffin was mafia. What a beast
@sirhawkjames
@sirhawkjames 5 жыл бұрын
from the beginning i wanted to see a ludwig and scar mafia and my god it is exactly what i wanted it to be lmfao
@Lazyfarted
@Lazyfarted 4 жыл бұрын
There’s a break around the 52:00 minute mark, but they come back at about 59:39
@zeyadm1993
@zeyadm1993 6 жыл бұрын
I actually got all 4 mafia members.I thought Leffen was mafia from day 1 because of that little interaction with Mango, and how he was very eager to kill someone.I got Shab because of how less he talked this round compared to yesterday.I wasn't sure about if Rishi was telling the truth or not,but I figured he was fake cop when he didn't really defend himself before he died.Normally the cop would try harder to stay alive.I wasn't sure between Axe/Bananas,but then I knew it was bananas based on how hard leffen tried to kill scar first.
@GlobusTheGreat
@GlobusTheGreat 6 жыл бұрын
What were the full roles/teams? THey really should make sure to announce it at the end or the spoiler-free mafia is also a no-resolution mafia game
@alexgard1773
@alexgard1773 4 жыл бұрын
This is how Lud got so good at among us
@vollrathfgc
@vollrathfgc 4 жыл бұрын
1:15:02 yeah, i don't think it's hbox, i know i'm a year too late to this but i'm watching legitly holy shit i didn't even think Leff
@DrizzyJeremiah
@DrizzyJeremiah 6 жыл бұрын
I think the microphone should always be on so we can at least hear what's going on in case slime fucks up
@SophisticatedBanjo
@SophisticatedBanjo 6 жыл бұрын
I was SUPER sus of Leffen from round 1, just because he was playing as a SUPER effective town leader but never got capped by Mafia even though he should have been an easy kill if he was town. Shab and Bananas made themselves much more obvious, as did Rishi, although his fake cop play was super effective at creating confusion and drawing suspicion to town. As someone who is by no means a Big Leff fan in Melee, I've gotta say he has got to be the best mafia player in the community. He was looking ENORMOUS in this round.
@merume2088
@merume2088 5 жыл бұрын
I honestly feel Mango is the best. The unfortunate thing is everyone knows that so he literally always dies in the first couple of rounds and if he doesn't they know he is mafia so kill him
@timothyalarcon9184
@timothyalarcon9184 6 жыл бұрын
What were all the roles tho..
@herbmaaster
@herbmaaster 5 жыл бұрын
@Internet Contrarian someone mentioned mango being cop
@blackbird2937
@blackbird2937 6 жыл бұрын
Leffen played that beautifully holy shit
@Lazyfarted
@Lazyfarted 4 жыл бұрын
43:33 ludwig signaling Slime that he has to piss LULW
@slickah2021
@slickah2021 6 жыл бұрын
Scar played really well at the beginning but towards the end I also thought he was mafia. Leffen played really well too I thought he was town. Toph and Ludwig were obvious town all game.
@dddiop
@dddiop 2 жыл бұрын
Felt like Leffen was the most obvious mafia the entire 2nd half of the game. Also thought Bananas and Shad (Shad was also because he just wasn't in the game at the beginning though?) were the most innocent, so what do I know.
@chef809jman4
@chef809jman4 6 жыл бұрын
Soo....? Who was cop, medic, and vigilante? Either they did not say at the end after the game or I missed it.
@baronbad5907
@baronbad5907 6 жыл бұрын
These are soooo fun to watch >.< plz do more!!
@aaronhelmsman
@aaronhelmsman 6 жыл бұрын
They need to study game theory. Nash equilibrium; they should have all voted their second most sus in the last round of votes. They couldn’t agree on most sus so they all should’ve voted second most. It sounds counterintuitive but I think it makes sense.
@TheHatmanTheHitokori
@TheHatmanTheHitokori 6 жыл бұрын
I think at that point in the game excluding reads, the lines of logic pointed to scar (voted for swedish, implicated in the fake cop call teammate cover thing from Rishi). Plays needed to happen before hand (mango saved by medic, killing rishi before axe forcing different kills on that night, people noticing how long leffen is living and then asking who's the medic and how the hell is leffen alive)
@brantmkw4783
@brantmkw4783 5 жыл бұрын
“You’re such a birdbrian.” “NO YOU’RE A BIRDBRIAN!”
@TheHatmanTheHitokori
@TheHatmanTheHitokori 6 жыл бұрын
Leff did a really good job with acting as town, everything he said was town-esque and it's the standard play for someone like him, hbox, or mango who are good talkers. No matter what their role is, they play a role like town mayor, and then make their plays with long cons & late game moves, but for the first rounds they always act town, and while I give this credit because it is not easy - Leff didn't MVP this game. The Rishi double town fake cop claim was a MVP play, because it let a narrative spin off that. The meta of these mafia games are usually 1 tier mindgames, so it was very easy to believe that either axe or scar was mafia and RIshi was using the claim to cover one of his own. The other mvp for Mafia was Scar, I think he totally misplayed what he was trying to explain, near the end I did agree with Hbox that scar getting really emotional was up the alley of him as town. But he was not doing town leader stuff in the beginning (he usually kicks in with this during round 1 with mango town reads or by round 2... from my recollection). And then Scar was just in a bad place with having called Swedish, which was a good line of logic for killing mafia even from Hbox, his biggest defender down the line. He was calm at first then flippant at the end, which I think it made it easier for Toph to feel he was mafia. Other random thoughts: -Hbox is suprsingly weak at town, he had a good read at the end to doubt scar's call, but didn't pick up on things I thought someone of his caliber would (he makes sick mafia plays, it should be similar mindset for town.. but he's definitely a tier down as a town player). i.e. I figured he would be sus of Leffen living so long as town. Also was expecting him to drill into tho subset of people that voted for Swedish past just Scar (even though for above reasons scar seemed to fit the bill for mafia, including this criteria). -Chab? (Bald homie, spelling?) was very clearly mafia just based on body language/his input and good town should've noticed this. he usually talks a lot as town, and gives good insight. This game he avoided everything like the plague and was stone faced. Leffen not calling him out sorta made me sus of leffen till the end, but honestly I suspected Leffen/Hbox were likely town and would deal with them in the final 5/3 if mafia was still around and they were still there etc. -Bananas while not doing anything god tier, does play a good silent mafia - which isn't necessarily hard to do well... but can be easy to mess up, i.e. there are things he could've done wrong, and he didn't do anything wrong (he followed lines of logic very well and covered his teammates + pinned scar pretty well, and totally soaked all scar accusations by remaining calm/silent) He voted for out his outed mafia to appear town, and got the favor of Hbox somewhat. -Ludwig call on rishi was good, and I say by logic alone his call on scar was good, but it was more on scar's misplay IMO. Otherwise he didn't look past this move and could've maybe helped more to find the 3rd and 4th mafia players. -I see a lot of people calling Toph bad, but his logic on scar was pretty good, and as mentioned before scar gave really weird vibes this game (silent, then talkative later) which is a little different than usual.. and all the stuff he did was culpuable so logic+reads I can understand Toph gunning Scar -Axe should've been more emotional about dying as town that late in the game... it was really dumb to kill axe before Rishi on that turn, and that should've been his defense. But silent town he didnt' care enough, think this was another turning point -Westballz role reveal was bad timing without giving info -Not sure who was healer but not saving mango round 1 was a misplay, he was pretty clearly doing his town thing and is top tier target alongside leffen, and at that point mango was giving more all in all was a fun game, mvp play by rishi, followed up by strong execution from leffen some underplay from hbox, scar and the silent towners and weak play from medic + cop
@meir2161
@meir2161 6 жыл бұрын
i am SHOCKED
@DarkenedCodex
@DarkenedCodex 5 жыл бұрын
**SPOILERS** GIGANTIC HUMONGOUS LEFF!!! Holy shit, Leffen is wayyyyy too good at this game. Goddamn!!! Also, Westballz really dropped the ball on this one, dafuq was that weird ass play before he died?!?! Out'd himself for no reason out of nowhere lol
@Psytheslasher
@Psytheslasher 6 жыл бұрын
Sheb was a dead give away
@dereksavery3644
@dereksavery3644 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, Leffen played out of his fucking mind.
@ArnorAndBjarki
@ArnorAndBjarki 6 жыл бұрын
It's here
@Laxhax123
@Laxhax123 6 жыл бұрын
Omfg leffen is a legend
@timothyalarcon9184
@timothyalarcon9184 6 жыл бұрын
Would've been sick for mafia to kill their own in vishi the night after he came out as cop
@rishi280
@rishi280 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't even realize that Shab was playing until they said mafia wins
@475jesse
@475jesse 6 жыл бұрын
Leffen really out here wearing the Android 21 joggers
@ClockworkNinja24
@ClockworkNinja24 6 жыл бұрын
1:10:46 Scar still desperately trying to convince Toph in the background
@JustinBowsher
@JustinBowsher 5 жыл бұрын
Why the hell would any nighttime be 2 minutes long when you have a nonlinear video editing system?
@aartie1999
@aartie1999 5 жыл бұрын
Also Axe was the sussed town in all of Summit mafia I had a (false) read on him way before his name was brought up in discussion
@nak6608
@nak6608 6 жыл бұрын
The Scar Ditto is my favorite match up.
@rockoutloud2112
@rockoutloud2112 6 жыл бұрын
scar was sooo close but leff just had too much girth for him to handle
@TheLuigiBrother77
@TheLuigiBrother77 5 жыл бұрын
if only someone had seconded ludwigs nomination
@ZombieaidZ
@ZombieaidZ 6 жыл бұрын
Elongated Leff for the win
@jamiecal11
@jamiecal11 6 жыл бұрын
Yo, not to pat myself on the back, but Shab was soooooo obvious! He didn't say a word all fuckin' game and he's usually one of the louder few. And every time Leffen said 'i want the quiet people to talk' -- he never mentioned Shab once. I was fully convinced of those 2.
@hideharu-xiii8852
@hideharu-xiii8852 6 жыл бұрын
Dang I thought Hbox and Scar were mafia because of how synced they were together when trying to “figure out” mafia. I thought Hbox made a fake system involving Swedish to throw people off and Scar jumped on that. Leffen you are stone hearted man. GGs
@NinjaGamer820
@NinjaGamer820 6 жыл бұрын
First night starts at 6:56
@cobra8829
@cobra8829 6 жыл бұрын
I thought it was scar rishi bananas and Shab the whole time leffen is a monster
@quartz8886
@quartz8886 5 жыл бұрын
1:37:08
@cameronisenhower7554
@cameronisenhower7554 6 жыл бұрын
LEFFEN AND RISHI RISHI IS A MAD MAN AND LEFF IS A GENIUS!!
@cameronisenhower7554
@cameronisenhower7554 6 жыл бұрын
Scar: "If Leffen's not town, I will freak out" 1:27:22
@n10tan1gam1
@n10tan1gam1 5 жыл бұрын
The whole time i was watching, by night 2 i was like, how is Mang0 dead & Leffeb still in. They should have called Leffeb years ago!
@rubberduck8096
@rubberduck8096 6 жыл бұрын
7:02 That's spelled "nighttime" with double t.
@bluesilkdesigns
@bluesilkdesigns 6 жыл бұрын
BIG BRAIN LEFF. Wow
@heligon2234
@heligon2234 6 жыл бұрын
No one gave a shit about bald guy even doe he was quite the whole game. Leffen was getting blame off of rishi to keep him alive longer for double kill power even longer and nobody caught that. Everyone just did what leffen said and he was mafia so that’s an easy dub
@mrbears8165
@mrbears8165 6 жыл бұрын
The music is FIRE this time around. Source?
@jamiecal11
@jamiecal11 6 жыл бұрын
I swear Wes accuses Hbox every single game.
@xProjectCINEMAx
@xProjectCINEMAx 6 жыл бұрын
Ok Leffen is a god towards the end I thought it was bananas rishi shab and hbox
@TuckerLeRat
@TuckerLeRat 5 жыл бұрын
Late game Leff.
@TuckerLeRat
@TuckerLeRat 6 жыл бұрын
viva la vida breaking out was a highlight
@Yes420IsMyNumber
@Yes420IsMyNumber 6 жыл бұрын
1:11:21
@gundabadman
@gundabadman 6 жыл бұрын
Toph has the WORST reads
@slickah2021
@slickah2021 6 жыл бұрын
Toph was on the right track, dude. His reads made sense from a town's perspective. Scar started to seem like mafia towards the end
@TejanoTigre
@TejanoTigre 5 жыл бұрын
@@slickah2021 Scar seemed town as shit towards the end it was clear that his anger was indignation at being maligned. if he were mafia he would have just sat back and calmly accused someone else
@AOKZMan
@AOKZMan 6 жыл бұрын
rip people's champ...
@AOKZMan
@AOKZMan 6 жыл бұрын
1:29:10 lmfao, this is when it all went permanently downhill. Best round of mafia tho, ngl
@edintutkur
@edintutkur 6 жыл бұрын
Love watching you guys play mafia but can you not scream the whole time and let people talk at a time it's, every talk gets interrupted at least 3 times by 5 people
@dereklewis4321
@dereklewis4321 6 жыл бұрын
The problem is a lot of them are drunk at this point.
@dizzymetrics
@dizzymetrics 5 жыл бұрын
lmao Leffen got away with it Literally no one suspected him
@aartie1999
@aartie1999 5 жыл бұрын
I could write a whole essay on why I had the 100% read on Leffen. It was good play by him but it was too good. He even threw once just a little bit when Scar said that Leffen had to be a godtier liar if he was mafia but everyone knows that he very well could be. Then he admits himself that yeah he could never be that good of a liar while not able to contain his big smile. No one noticed but Leffen is too big of an ego to admit something like that. That alone was fucking sus and I’m suprised noone caught that.
@usoshikin7552
@usoshikin7552 6 жыл бұрын
Scar is the best mafia
@mayan2312
@mayan2312 5 жыл бұрын
Man I love scar but I really hope he either doesn't mafia in the next summit or stops talking over everyone for most of the game. At least it felt this way for me.
@Tommy9834
@Tommy9834 5 жыл бұрын
He seems to only do that when he's town though. At this point, I think he thinks he feels he has to do this now so he don't get suspected as mafia.
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