Smash Ultimate Has Too Many Characters. Agree or Disagree?

Welcome to Smash Ultimate Spectrum! Coney asks five pro Smash players their opinions on the controversial Smash Ultimate questions… Is Smash Ultimate good for mental health? Is trash talk good for the competitive Smash community? Do pro players get nervous before big games? Is Ganondorf the worst Smash character? Is Smash Ultimate’s roster too big? Does Japan have the best Smash Ultimate players? Does online Smash count? Are there too many sword characters in Smash Ultimate? Should Waluigi be in Smash Bros.?
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[@GoWxGaiA]

You all need to give them a bigger couch lol

[@Bryghtt]

Luminosity has to many characters

[@Alibaba-id1cs]

No couch is enough to contain Big D anyways smh smh

[@SamWeber7]

Strongly Agree

[@djn09]

FR

[@johnkastran1253]

came here to say the same thing lol

[@erikrevier4053]

The couch should get a little bit smaller every episode.

[@Tonjit41]

Coney gets a throne. Everyone else sits on the floor around him

[@artsenor254]

I like how the Waluigi prompt was the most passionate one.

[@sullivanish]

I love that tweek and gluto have a bet on it too lol

[@oxicemusic]

this is so cool. with the game in its current state, i can honestly say Luminosity is putting out the most fun and entertaining content in the smash sphere. You are all making the team stand out as personalities too, each member is growing on me more than if they were just good at smash. KEEP IT UP!

[@ultratortoise21]

was about to comment this, this channel carries my interest in smash so hard. Thanks for putting out content like this guys

[@Eroil]

They make some great stuff and there's a lot of potential, but there's still that vibe of awkwardness I'm feeling, from trying to create something "unnatural". I'm gonna keep watching though

[@nap_time_]

id honestly say the underdogs gaming channel is better but its not by much and just my opinion

[@owenicewater9704]

Best part of this was everyone except Sonix saying wifi doesn’t count

[@rizvan1632]

The best player there online and offline is probably right. Though I think he took at as - is there skill transfer between the two and if you do well online can you do well offline While everyone else took it as - should they count together

[@postboy2242]

wtf does "does online count?" even mean?

[@owenicewater9704]

@@postboy2242 Ultimate’s online play is really laggy and slow and is generally very different from offline, so the question is asking if online tournament results are a genuine reflection of how good someone is.

[@postboy2242]

@@owenicewater9704 oh results. Yeah online doesn't count

[@kendalljackson9326]

Good video. Makes me happy to see all these guys just joking around and having a good time.

[@Iso_SSB]

Big D is a giant compared to the rest of ‘em 😂

[@fukopi]

11:33 Sonix has chosen to speak facts 😆

[@kyurei4478]

Fr.

[@flygtamer32]

keep these videos pumping! they are so awesome and fun to watch!

[@Kisulea]

I love how Luminosity Smash turns into a better Panda Global Channel

[@mintspears6714]

I love this type of episode, though I wish everyone had more time to give explanation on their answers

[@mohammadalhusaini810]

Genuinely hope when don’t get a panda situation, these vids are so fun to watch

[@poeticdavide]

What happened to Panda Smash? 🫠

[@chiliandcornbread09]

Gamer dad sitting on his couch with his 4 children from 2 different marriages

[@ElChicoBush]

6:44 ngl I laughed really hard LOL

[@aaron.protein]

me too lmao

[@Maye1918]

Sonix looks like hes thinking of who he'd fight first 0:37

[@michaelengle3982]

You guys might wanna invest in a larger couch. Big D looks like he can barely put his arms down 😭😭

[@frealish6622]

Of course Sonix thinks online counts

[@Todoza]

Right lmao

[@postboy2242]

WTF DOES COUNTS MEAN HERE

[@StudyingManually]

We need Knuckles! This red, aggressive, powerful hedgehog would be an enrichment to the META!

[@johnstevenson3628]

Sonix being the only one saying “Online Counts” is hilarious 😂

[@PatricioGamez]

hes actually the best online player thats so funny

[@redpandaplush5980]

what's leo's problem with Robin? Literally the most interesting and mechanically unique sword fighter from the most popular fire emblem game

[@cheesusnt3302]

Robin is POOR POOR man's Steve, resource management character who lacks speed bc if he was faster he'd kick some ASSES BRO. Robin can't create floor or walls or get his Levin Sword back on command by "searching on the convoy" (mining for Steve) but in essence they are similar. But Robin is just bad bro

[@timjim7163]

He doesn’t like Awakening And despite Awakening’s massive influence and success, I think 3Houses is by far the most popular now

[@InaVenUltraFan]

awakening is not the most popular, it’s the one that refrained fe from dying but 3h is far more popular

[@origon4477]

What the fuck are you talking about. Awakening is not the most popular fire emblem and robin isn't even a very popular character from their own game 💀

[@lights5651]

I expected tweeks answer for the first one because of how naturally happy he is and I don’t think anything could take that away from him

[@Keyont3]

can we get videos of them talking about non smash related topics or just a normal conversation and see where it goes

[@12amocha]

Leo is so based for wanting Ephraim btw. My top pick for an FE character aside from Lyn

[@highlandave8507]

I'd rather they put Dimitri over Ephraim.

[@poeticdavide]

Lyn will always be my top 1 ❤

[@MitchBison]

Leo has been hilarious in all these videos

[@Moegivesmelife]

Great content!

[@missy7871]

I had no idea leo liked fire emblem that much???? Mucho respect 🥰 i too am upset that all the fe reps are swordies, really sad they passed up hector, ephraim, and even dimitri or edelgard. Why sakurai, whyyyy

[@deavinwarren1412]

He hates Robin for some reason

[@highlandave8507]

​@@deavinwarren1412 I like Robin, but I see good reasons to dislike them: 1. The moveset is incredibly off putting, the mechanic is much worse in Ultimate because of that meter that practically tells people what you have in hand with your magic, and me personally, I hate their idles. As someone who played Awakening, Robin feels nothing like they are in the game combat wise. Take the sword and books out their hands. It makes them look like a loser who walked out of bed and got lost rather than a Frontline soldier and army tactician. 2. Their extreme lack of charisma: Every character is defined by their first impressions and primary appearance, and IMO, Robin has the worst in the game. It's like it's bland on purpose. Granted, Robin is a bland character in Awakening's campaign mode, it's the witty back and forwards in their supports that made them shine and well loved in the FE community, which this doesn't show in Smash at all. What's crazier is that even though the female is okay, the male is boring despite being played by the same guy responsible for Motherf***ing Gilgamesh from Fate, Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez from Bleach (who was considered one of the coolest Big 3 villains), Senketsu from Kill La Kill, and Richter Belmont, all insanely charismatic characters which Robin is not for some reason. Voice Acting and directions matters because before Yu Narukami from Persona 4 had his voice, people mostly had contempt for him, but after Johnny Yong Bosch took over, there's nothing but praise for him to the point he rivals Joker. I can't say throw them out of the game though. I checked tons of popularity polls, including the mobile game and both Robins, male and female, do exceptionally well, which is important because normally only one of the genders carries the other. Robin is definitely popular enough to warrant another chance and get a rework like Ness, Game & Watch, and Bowser got.

[@wftghw]

Big D looks like gannondorf chilling next to villager (tweek) on the couch

[@godofdreamzzz]

Sonix justifying his love for online is too good 😂

[@TrueCarmilla]

"Says the sonic fan" -🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@actionjackson8749]

Sonix is all squished lol

[@TonyStorm21]

You know Leo is truly a Fire Emblem guy when he pull the fucking "Ephraim" card, who the hell mentions that guy. I personally would've liked Owain over both Chrom and Robin as the Awakening rep (with Fate's Odin as alt clothes), that lovable idiot.

[@ElChicoBush]

Ephraim in the game would be fire ngl ❤

[@Faerghast]

Leo with the Ephraim Sacred Stones pick. Based.

[@highlandave8507]

I know you. Though I prefer Azura or Dimitri to take the lance pick. I think Hector covers the GBA era much better.

[@Aristotle000001]

Someone get Tweek and Sonix a couple of jackets xd

[@geniuzg]

Let’s go Sonix!

[@raven-a]

Cool to see him, I was like who's that guy? Then they say Sonix, I'm like, well, I don't like who you play, but he seems like a cool dude, and at least he can beat Miya lmao

[@Bon-bn5lc]

I feel like echo fighters should just be alternate skins it would free up the roster for more people and you can change play styles based on the skin.We don't need three slots for young link,toon link and normal link

[@ericgreen6540]

Sonix with the Tupac shirt I see you fam

[@Eroil]

There's no way you can get all of them together every time for a vid (even though it's probably better for content) why not record some stuff online, wouldn't that make it easier to get all of them together? (Only saying this because I enjoy the content and would love to see more!)

[@CatchingZzs]

Last time I saw guys on a couch was during a casting

[@plabcentral630]

Sonix to me on that first question really is giving me “my brother in Christ you made the sandwich.”

[@boymanwonder3641]

LG Japan trip when? Everyone would level up

[@usern4metak3ns]

why does tweek look like he's going to demand a double scoop waffle cone, after the interview?

[@raven-a]

Why remove Robin? It's the only one that plays even remotely differently! I say keep Marth, Robin and Bylenth and the rest of FE should begone already lmao (maybe make Lucina a reskin of Marth and make Marth more like her so he sucks less lmao)

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

Reasons to remove Robin 1. No one plays them meaning no one is going to complain if they are cut. 2. Having limited uses for the spells is stupid and only serves to make people not want to play Robin 3. Despite being kinda garbage, they're still an annoying ass character. Also if we can only keep 3 Fire Emblem characters, Ike should be one of them. He's cool, and the only character that plays remotely similar to him is Pyra and sometimes Ganondorf.

[@Fate-ne4dh]

​@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 So you're saying remove them because there unique just not good competitively? Alright guess we should get rid of every bad character in the game. 1. Casuals play Robin, FE enjoyers play Robin. 2. Robin is one of the most fun characters in the game bad or not. It's a unique mechanic, resource management only existed to him in all of Smash before Banjo. 3. Git gud

[@kyurei4478]

Facts.

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

@@Fate-ne4dh "Robin is one of the most fun characters in the game bad or not." Yeah that's all I needed to hear. Have fun finding a new main when Smash 6 releases bud. And I'm sorry that you can't handle the truth about your precious Robin.

[@Fate-ne4dh]

@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 Wanna know something funny that you set yourself up for? I don't main Robin, and I don't play FE. My main is Incineroar, and im a Pokemon enjoyer. So... Stick to Drake and Josh. You'd be better off for it. Than being a stick in the mud playin Smash

[@highlandave8507]

Honestly, I still like Robin and think they represent Fire Emblem well enough to stick around, but I think their moveset needs a major rework, like Ness and Bowser got. The moveset, though unique, I find more as a hindrance, though I like HDR's take on the character.

[@ojutay8375]

"USA USA" Coney says to the non-Americans

[@MrJJ-xm4tr]

And the best players in the world rn aren’t even from usa

[@patrickhamning1734]

Spargo would have something to say about online counting

[@innocentshine2778]

I never thought pro players would agree with the "too many swordfighters" thing. I thought that was just a casual player take lol Aside from the echo fighters, most of them don't play the same at all so why does that matter. Most of the big RPG/fantasy world main guys use swords that's just how it is, so I don't really care as long as the gameplay is unique enough.

[@mohammadalhusaini810]

Any sword character that isn’t in FE is unique. Cloud? Very unique, Sephiroth? Very unique, Meta knight? Very unique etc

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

I'm struggling to put this into words, but I feel like a big part of the issue is that most sword characters have at least one move that kind of "overlaps" with another sword character. Like Marth and Aegis both swing their sword below them for their down air. Also half of them literally have a down b that's a counter 💀I don't care if one sends up while another one freezes the opponent in time for a second, they all essentially do the same thing which is punishing the opponent for trying to attack you. It also doesn't help that sword characters tend to be a better on average compared to most other archetypes, meaning that you tend to play against them more. Lastly, with the exception of Steve and Sephiroth, sword characters tend to be your typical "I fight for my friends 😃" type of character, which just adds to the samey feeling that I feel like sword characters have.

[@notachainlinkfence480]

⁠​⁠@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569Tell me you don’t know anything about these characters without telling me so. First off, most of these characters don’t have similar moves or gameplay. Movement stats, launch angle and risk/reward all heavily delineate the swordies. Would you honestly sit down and tell me Corrin - a floaty, combo oriented character - and Robin - a slow, stray hit focused zoner - are similar characters? The only characters you can say that about are echoes (which are not unique or more common in swordies) About counters - they’re not at all a swordie thing. Little Mac, Bayonetta, Greninja, Mii Brawler, Peach, the Shotos, Joker - there are more characters without swords that have counter than characters with swords that have counters. It’s just a fighting game thing. And finally, you can’t just take ONE of Ike’s voice lines and act like that’s every swordie’s personality from their game. It’s rare that you can just play smash and actually get a character’s personality from it. Look at the space animals, you don’t know what they’re like unless you’ve played Star Fox. How about the Pokémon? Completely void of any characterization.

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

@@notachainlinkfence480 I wasn't even trying to quote Ike, I genuinely was going for something that vaguely sounded like something Sora would say. Also you say that Pokemon are void of characterization as if that isn't by design. I know this might surprise you, but the Pikachu in Smash is just a random Pikachu, it's not supposed to be Ash's Pikachu or some specific Pikachu from the games. Same thing with every other Pokemon except maybe Mewtwo. And what's super ironic is that they managed to give Incineroar more personality in his Side B alone compared to Corrin's whole entire kit. Before I forget, Falco is for sure a space animal that I'd say you can get a good idea of their personality from just their taunts and victory quotes. His lines "piece of cake" and "hands off my prey" tell me that he's a cocky head strong character that isn't afraid to dive head first into a conflict. I don't know if that's accurate to his personality since I haven't played any of the Star Fox games. That being said, some sword characters DO have some kind of a unique personality shown, whether it's accurate or not is hard for me to say since I don't play JRPGs (unless it's Earthbound). You saying that the line I gave is from Ike is ironic because I actually like his personality. The fact that he uses a 2 handed sword with one hand is one of those simple details that I feel like tells you a lot about the character. I also like how with Marth you're forced to play a more calculated style if you want to land your tippers, not sure if Marth's personality is meant to be the careful strategic type, but if he is then Sakurai honestly nailed that one. I also like what they did with Sephiroth and Roy, but this comment would get to be very long if I explained that. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize this is all Chrom and Corrin's fault. Corrin made people resent Fire Emblem characters in Smash due to the fact that not even Fire Emblem fans wanted her in the game. And Chrom is the epitome of the generic and samey issue. He literally feels like the result of Ike and Roy doing a fusion dance.

[@broadcliff5842]

Tweek and Leo 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@ahmadkazan5473]

9:25 damn right give that hedghog his sword back.

[@mrb-btw]

2:10 bro coney really went there that is funny as fuck

[@cyprienramis1304]

Leo's opinions are so near to the europeans players opinions that sometimes I wonder if he isn't secretly from France.

[@AntwonJacksonJihad1st]

Tell me why the couch set up with light colors to dark colors 💀

[@problemsnearyou8899]

The Robin hate makes me feel personally attacked

[@jetblazethunder3596]

1:36 maister you liar lol

[@lewismatos7835]

"As sonic? hell no" XXD

[@edwinomargarciamendez4291]

I feel I've seen this before 4 guys 1 couch

[@paulgrewal587]

This was jokes. Very well hosted

[@inspektorblacket2356]

Poor Big D, he looks uncomfortable on that couch.

[@LukasAllgood]

sonix was so real throughout this whole thing

[@MediumDon]

You need to gove them a small couch

[@Theodore_335]

How did they put pirhana plant in and not waluigi

[@flowerfroggyfan6960]

I will say I don't want waluigi to be a character because he is the simbol of the assist trophies. He just can't, and he one day become a character then I want burrowing snaget, chain chomp, andross or even Dr.kawashima, to be a character

[@user-nu2yl3of2r]

Leo's sitting height is so high😮

[@pablodiazgarcia5917]

Bigger couch, maybe next time?

[@jultomten1237]

Sonix with the manspread tryna act like he has balls 😂

[@keithhernandez48]

Sonix is Leo if his English was better lol

[@MrBobxxl]

"online counts"... oh boy..

[@johntodd6122]

nairo v light when man got reversed 3-0 by ganon

[@rafaelconcepcion895]

Most of the strongest player of smash games that had online were born on wifi. How can they say this isn't true.

[@DYLisDEAD]

good video

[@perriwinkleiii5361]

This in-person content is neat, but the formula works for maybe three videos at a time, not twenty. It's just too dry. Where are the gameplay challenges? Everyone of your players streams, you could pull together funny clips from there. While you have them on the couch, make them do free-for-all smashdown or something. Make them play with Spirits, etc. The game that they all play is where a lot of the variety and humour comes from, so use that. I want this channel to be as good as it can be, and you have some of the most talented smash players in the world, so make them show off and do ridiculous things in the game! The Pros vs Amateurs was a good interpretation of that in a live setting. More of that, instead of a tenth Smash personality quiz

[@BirchTwigYT]

sonix english is good but i gives me npc vibes lol

[@stateyourbuisness1928]

Tennis is like the only sport where you literally cant do that.... kinda a terrible reference

[@Devion702]

Weird name (spectrum) 🤢. Cool concept and video.

[@andresdelbusto2184]

I'll be the best Waluigi in my country if he ever happens to be on the game. Man just imagine the salt of your opponents after you win LMAAAAOOO

[@russellnoe3054]

Big D is a giant bro

[@Mahamaru]

27% btw

[@SepiaK_17]

No hablo inglés we…pónganle subtítulos al español 😢😢

[@AKL667]

Calling this the '"spectrum" is mad funny

[@yoshifan52]

“Robin and Chrom are terrible rep choices” from one FE guy to another, that’s objectively not true man. Awakening singlehandedly revived the series and both Chrom and Robin have the MOST merit of being included besides Marth.

[@notachainlinkfence480]

You can’t say Awakening “revived” the series when it came out not long after two of the best games in the series. Awakening also should have been kept to one rep (Robin).

[@DeRez19]

​@notachainlinkfence480 accept it did lol. Awakening was going to be the last FE had it not been as successful as it was, hence why there are *three* Awakening reps in Smash and not just one or two. These two "best games" you are talking about did not have that much of an impact on a wide enough audience in comparison.

[@GreyShadowUchiha]

BASED EPHRAIM PICK FROM LEO

[@cms_bb8817]

Maister disagreeing with trash talking being good for the game 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@stateyourbuisness1928]

Ima be the best waluigi

[@kyurei4478]

Allowing Waluigi would be opening Pandora's box. I'm sorry Tweek, I won't take that risk. Smash deserves to stay fun for everyone. 11:00 That's always what people say before a character actually gets added to the game. Remember when people wanted Sonic in Smash? Sonix who plays Sonic saying Waluigi is annoying means a lot about Waluigi... Exactly, Tweek admitted it ! He wants Waluigi only to annoy others by playing him. But then that means others would do it to him as well. Yeah Coney but Waluigi didn't get a game EVER unlike Captain Falcon and Fox.

[@QuynhAn689]

LG really need a better content manager 😂

[@BillytheEntertainer]

Smash Ultimate Spectrum aka SUS

[@sigmundsoldier]

It's never been the amount of fire emblem characters that's been the issue, it's the wrong choice of characters and boring implementation that causes complaints.

[@ElChicoBush]

Yeah. And it's ironic that Robin and Byleth tend to be the ones getting most of the hate. When they're the most unique characters from the series in Smash.

[@mando76m]

​@ElChicoBush True. If any characters deserve to be removed it's Chrom and Lucina. Marth and Roy already have somewhat similar special moves anyways (a charge neutral B, dancing blade, counter). We really didn't need echo fighters of two characters that are already kinda similar in the grand scheme of things. Besides, do we really need three FE Awakening reps? If they want them in so badly, they'd do better as alts in my opinion

[@plabcentral630]

Yeah but I play Ridley and his ass should not be here so 🙁

[@StudyingManually]

The man who is sitting in the middle of the couch and who is obsessed with Sonic will most likely become the best player in the world. Cry about it!

[@isaiahthechristiangamer8716]

Waluigi for Smash 6!!!

[@highlandave8507]

If I had my way with the Fire Emblem roster: Marth - The poster boy of the series Ike - The most popular character in the Fire Emblem community and Intelligent System's favorite character to advertise with. Robin - Awakening, love it or hate it, is still one of the most important Fire Emblem games and Robin connects multiple FE games together. Most popular avatar character and most popular non Lord character after Ike. I recommend a major rework on the moveset though like Ness and Bowser got. HDR even gave them Peach's float. Hector - For the GBA era. Hector is still insanely well liked (most popular character not represented in Smash in any way) as well as represents the armored unit class and an axe weilder. Ephraim, Dimitri, or Azura - The lance weilder. Dimitri is one of, if not the most popular Fire Emblem character currently and is the most popular character from Three Houses. Could easily replace Byleth who is nowhere near as popular as many characters in their home game and cited as one of the game's faults. Azura is the more important character from Fates and more unique being a Lord/Dancer, as well as having fighting animations closely similar to some of Corrin's moves in Smash and utilizing water in her moves, and is the one most involved with the progression of the story. Ephraim is a fan favorite in lances and has some unique fighting animations different from the other two. Most likely, I'd choose Dimitri.

[@barns1466]

pac 🔥

[@ToucanBinks]

Put waluigi in smash and give him a sword ❤

[@Alienoticz23]

Waluigi is a shit character choice.

[@lucasargandona4658]

Villager shouldn’t be in smash 😤

[@Warboy69]

They better be Waluigi in Smash 6 I would definitely main him no matter what no matter if he’s too over powered or over used and there is a million of them like Mario Kart they did my boy Waluigi dirty fr “everybody is here” but he’s not like what 🤦‍♂️

[@peter1052]

Rad

[@Shaheemswaggedout]

❤️❤️❤️

[@brexarevalo]

🐐

[@sentientmeat96]

Good video, but "Do all smash pros think the same?" is such a lazy, dumb prompt.

[@ABC-ik9vj]

if you disagree you're a loser

[@raymondfowler6380]

Instead of saying the prompt is lazy, why not suggest some better prompts? Maybe some good novel ideas they don’t know about yet!

[@sentientmeat96]

@@raymondfowler6380 Somebody got paid to put forth that prompt. I am critiquing their work, which is low-effort and something I felt like doing. Putting the effort in to devise a revision of their lazy work is enabling their behavior. (Also I wouldn't do somebody else's work for free, but that's beside the point.)

[@raymondfowler6380]

@@sentientmeat96 If their behaviour makes them money, THAT enables it. So you can say it’s lazy but it’s making money. It’s not dumb because it’s making money.

[@ErtM-vh5vs]

"instead of critiquing what they cooked. Why don't you cook something yourself" because we are the consumers. We give them time and ad revenue, they give us content. If the content is insufficient, naturally the consumer will be dissatisfied. Now put that smart ass energy to improving yourself instead of getting offended that people have opinions. @@raymondfowler6380

[@OTHERMRBABCOCK]

Let’s be real: the first 2 characters getting their asses dismissed like a bad temp for Smash 6 are Corrin and Dark Pit. One remains pretty much universally hated the other has no real reason to be in the first place and now has no relevance at all.

[@mando76m]

It's sad that Corrin is the FE character that gets the most hate. Corrin is far more unique that Lucina or Chrom or even Ike for that matter. Like sure, nobody asked for Corrin as DLC but I don't think having them there would have been as big of an issue if Lucina wasn't given a character slot in Smash 4