SMB1 Any% Sum of Best vs Record vs TAS

[@Kosmicd12]

awesome video, great work on the programming side and ALSO the presentation side!!

[@peter_kga]

Kosmic I beat your record on the mario game and watch

[@flibidydibidy]

Niftski improved the Sum of Best by ONE FRAME the day I finished the video :-) Congratulations to him!!

[@EebstertheGreat]

So is the human SOB now only 3 frames off the "no L+R" TAS?

[@kkmac7247]

@@EebstertheGreat yes

[@Pankaw]

@@EebstertheGreat Yup, 1 more frame on the first room and 2 more frames on turnaround room and that's it

[@ghyuty17]

Bad timing

[@diribigal]

Should've used lightning publish to save a day rule

[@MiniIand]

this video is actually so amazing holy cow taven doing setupless tas bbg looks even crazier than the tas lol

[@ghyuty17]

Taven is crazier than a tas

[@avitaltagar]

@@ghyuty17 especially because a tas is an emotionless series of button inputs fed to an emulator and cannot be defined as crazy

[@ghyuty17]

@@avitaltagar I beg to differ. A tas can be crazy based on the perception of how difficult or interesting the inputs are.

[@insertname252]

Yeah cause the tas just yolos it with zero consideration for anything

[@CristianConsonni]

Remember people: * Summoning Salt for History * Bismuth for Science * FlibidyDibidy for Technology * Karl Jobst for Social Sciences

[@flibidydibidy]

It's an absolute honor to be even in the same comment as these people but let's not get ahead of ourselves :-). You are far, far too kind.

[@CristianConsonni]

@@flibidydibidy you are doing great and the system you are working on looks really amazing. I am not a speedrunner myself, but I like that there are so many different people making content about speedrunning with very different styles and perspectives, this is what got me interested in the topic. Actually, I have a background in CS and I am studying a little bit about neural networks and deep learning and, of course, I would like to build a system that plays video games. So, your content interests me both for the speedrunning and the tech, keep it up!

[@filipsoderberg3621]

@@flibidydibidy I am late to discovering your videos and channel but fortunatly did it now. But I can for sure say you are not close after those legendary youtubers. Big Up to this great video!

[@Spectre0799]

Don't forget Malleo for math

[@Storster]

The amount of work on this is insane. Hope this blows up!

[@mav6771]

absolutely love the commentary on this one! "some have gone so far as to say tas 8-2 is even easier than blazit" minila2Champ Shoutouts to Niftski for needing a corrections list same day as the video was uploaded!

[@austinjpalus]

Thank you for the clean language! My son is in first grade and loves watching speedruns with his dad, but many posters aren't family friendly, so he cannot see them. This means very much to us.

[@cmspeedrunner3733]

Your son is being brought up well!

[@yungwappenlese]

Wow! :) thats very nice

[@DJIncendration]

He'll see them someday, hopefully.

[@davidolinger3948]

That sounds like the coolest boy in the world, can't wait to see him break 4:51 in smb once he's grown lol

[@LocalAitch]

Dude if this doesn't end up becoming the new standard for presentation of SMB runs then I'll shit my pants lol. This work is friggin' *amazing*

[@KingOfJonnyBoy]

POGCHAMP! Awesome lightning 4-2 explanation ;) Edit: Its incredible seeing how close together the SoB and TAS are, seeing how much "distance" 1 frame is is crazy!

[@flibidydibidy]

Thanks KingOf_JonnyBoy!

[@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn]

By the way, a 4:53 is possible for Super Mario Bros. Extended! Watch the TAS here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3vKfXt8n5ulZ7M

[@MeesterTweester]

Niftski lowering the sum of best the same day lol The human sum of best is so close behind TAS when touching the axe at the end, incredible

[@someperson3883]

I think he will get the first 4:54.

[@bloonsfamily2066]

@@someperson3883 he did 1 month ago

[@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn]

By the way, a 4:53 is possible for Super Mario Bros. Extended! Watch the TAS here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3vKfXt8n5ulZ7M

[@BurndiL]

here are the timestamps for anyone interested: 0:12 1-1 0:50 1-2 1:26 4-1 1:54 4-2 3:22 8-1 3:57 8-2 4:42 8-3 5:24 8-4 maybe I'm off by like a second on some of these, in that case I'm sorry. Great Video!

[@DuringDark]

It's amazing how you've managed to innovate the representation of speedrunning in 4 short months, I can't wait to see how the live version turns out! I also love that you have so many of the top runners commenting on your vids :)

[@tanman.]

I never realized that "pl8-1" references stuckinaplate, that's really interesting

[@KOrgan0414]

Your voiceover is terrific for these videos. You do a good job explaining what’s happening very clearly. Keep it up, love the content!

[@Pixelcraftian]

Woah. That's a fast mario

[@ThaAwesome10]

Yes

[@Taolan8472]

This is an amazing concept. Cant wait to see this tech getting shown off at a running event. Its so very interesting to see the runs literally side by side sharing the same screen. I was able to explain to my dad, who knows very little of speedrunning, what was going on between the multiple marios in a way that a conventional multidisplay race of replay simply cannot show.

[@letcreate123]

Absolutely loved the commentary, you don't see it in many "TAS vs RTA" videos

[@halfmanthehand8803]

Another incredible analysis of the SMB speedrun :) I’ve learned so much about the technical elements of these runs from your videos! Keep up the great content!!!

[@yordbaermelk5879]

I've really been enjoying these videos a lot. Thanks for making them!

[@flibidydibidy]

Thank you!

[@108spirits5]

Well, time to put Niftski's 4:54 time in here...

[@TheRudyyy]

wow this is an amazing way to show comparisons! this looks so cool! great work!

[@dumpnchase]

Love all your videos. Thanks for doing it.

[@benjaminaasen412]

Awsome that you actually did this comparison. Very well done

[@CptGallant]

Dang, the human SoB came down by one frame literally today. Great video though! Nice to see exactly what strategies are being used and where each frame is lost in 8-4.

[@firefox7272]

Amazing! The commentary was great!

[@therealfocusin]

Amazing video!! Your work is so neat, I can't wait for the live version. That will be a gamechanger!

[@Lektuerekurs]

What great times to follow Super Mario Bros Speedrunning. Thank you for this great video!

[@iBall1]

I love these videos! They are very well researched and I love the commentary. Keep it up

[@flibidydibidy]

Thanks iBall! Gz on your PB (sorry I'm a month late!)

[@alanfinck5595]

Great explanation of each level. Also love how many runners were used here.

[@danielrmrosa]

Amazing! Loved the commentary! Good work!

[@arthurdent1045]

Great video, well analyzed. but it is amazing how fast things are out of date :)

[@Runehorn]

Looking forward to what you have in store!

[@threecreepio]

Fantastic work, as always!

[@flibidydibidy]

Thanks Threecreepio!

[@vinesthemonkey]

this is like a sports announcer great work

[@evanboyd5974]

Please do another one of these after Nftski 454, lekukie Frame 63, and Niftski 4-2/84. would love to see how close combined sum of best is

[@melodywawichi802]

It still scares me that humans have tied the TAS to 8-4

[@Syllaren]

It fucking should. It's one thing in something short like dragster but it's fucking insane that the tas was tied that far in such a long and input heavy game.

[@darkness74185]

even if we strip the frame rule system away, the human SOB would be like what, 20 to 30 frames behind at worst? absolutely insane

[@KingOfJonnyBoy]

@@darkness74185 like 7 frames in 1-1, 7 in 1-2, 2 in 4-1, 20 in 4-2, 3 in 8-1, 4 in 8-2, like 2 in 8-3, 14 in 8-4 over a perfect human 8-4 (which hasn't quite yet been performed), which is 57 give or take a few frames, that's about a full second

[@darkness74185]

@@KingOfJonnyBoy I see, 4-2 is astonishing because that meant we're both just one frame away from saving another rule in the tas and just one frame away from not saving it RTA

[@KingOfJonnyBoy]

@@darkness74185 technically humans could save another 4-5 frames in 4-2 with top clip, but noones ever even gotten close to that full level

[@ghyuty17]

HUMANITY BOWS AT THE FEET OF NIFTSKI! Niftski is superhuman

[@Pankaw]

Very cool as always :)

[@jatloe]

Hi! Could you change the timer at the bottom right to end on the correct timing? It will make a bit more sense than 5:04 lol.

[@PatrickDavis28]

Now that 4:54 has been achieved, the SMB1 speedrunning community has only one goal in mind: tie the TAS.

[@ThaAwesome10]

No

[@caiolopezcomz]

You're also an excellent writer and narrator. Much as i like summoning salt, this way you go directly to the point is more aligned with my preferences.

[@tristen9736]

And now nifski has done it. He's tied the sum of best

[@julienbronsch5039]

No? What

[@julienbronsch5039]

He has a .798 That is not sum of best

[@Yopmemama]

@@julienbronsch5039 he did not use lightning 4-2 in his .798

[@rainworldenthusiast]

The TAS has been tied :) looking forward to the follow up lol

[@shiteeshoodeeos800]

If there’s 542 likes and 0 dislikes (at the time of typing this), you know this is a really good channel.

[@MetroAndroid]

Amazing graphic having all 3 side by side. I don't even want to know how long that must've taken to tune and get right. Looking forward to that large video project! :D

[@doublepickaxeyt3400]

Why have we never heard of Miniland? Great video BTW!

[@ric4455]

the commentary makes it seem like speedrunning smb1 is a sport

[@tachalorah]

Well, thank you for giving mav1671 that purple colour

[@_Shrub]

Great Vid!

[@Bebert_vrt]

Very cool video !

[@muzzyLimon]

Amazing video

[@PointEndClick]

This video is awesome.

[@Xorevre]

I think an updated version with niftski’s 4:54.798 and lekukie’s tas tie 8-4 would be cool

[@paulisawesome10]

I love these!

[@jasonbell2008]

Niftski is the wr holder now! He lost one framerule in 4-2, and 20 frames in 8-4. First 4:54! Nice!

[@brulargeburp]

do todd rogers speedrun vs current world record in april 1st

[@Aryll_smb]

pretty cool video and very well explained, yes sometimes tas8-2 is easier than blazit

[@dgdiggz3918]

best video i've ever seen

[@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn]

Also, for 4-2, you might want to add Kriller37 for finding a more reliable setup for Lightning 4-2 with the world's first 4-2 top clip HappyLee style, which saves 2 frames over the standard lightning 4-2 trick, and you don't have to do a fast acceleration in the warp zone. Doing it will barely make the framerule.

[@signallost5709]

You are gonna be big soon

[@MrYorch96]

awesome video

[@generic4682]

Your narration makes this sound like a 1950 propaganda film. It’s really entertaining. Lovely stuff.

[@almoni127]

Awesome video! I pray to the algorithm for this channel. How come the TAS in the 2-1 clip is behind the runners? Maybe because a faster strat was developed to compensate for the slower turn around?

[@fernandossmm]

What about a TAS yearly evolution? That'd look dope probably

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Mav6771 is the man behind the slaughter

[@economicapple2609]

As someone who is consistent at blazit, I can confirm that tas 8-2 is definitely NOT easier than blazit

[@clubpasser123454321]

Awesome videos. Love that you are keeping up with the voice over. Maybe you can add an easy way to know what color Mario is who? I'm easily confused on that...

[@takigan]

The assigned colors are at the very top of each level. The TAS is always grey and Miniland is always white.

[@flibidydibidy]

I have some ideas to improve that, also for people who are colorblind and have a hard time with it!

[@clubpasser123454321]

@@takigan OMG I feel a bit dumb. Didn't even notice... I got it now.

[@GMPranav]

When you are so early that only the community legends are in the comments section :P

[@Theodore1999]

It’s getting so close to tying the TAS now, 4 frames??!!! I wonder who will be the first 8-3 tie+8-4 full fast accel runner

[@jasonbell2008]

One frame now!

[@Ryet9]

Would love an updated vid, GO HOOMANS!

[@dimitriskontoleon6787]

So the human best was only 4 frame away from tas? Lol

[@TheLyre3]

Somebody is going to have to do that double acceleration at 5:37 eventually.

[@phonicfan31]

No commentary version pls.

[@flibidydibidy]

Sure: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5SxdpeIZtqhers

[@wifflestroll5425]

You should make Non-L+R TAS vs L+R TAS

[@theoldfinalchapters8319]

I wish this also included the "real" TAS, not just the human theory TAS. After all, the only difference between the two is what is deemed "possible" for humans to do, which can change over time.

[@kkmac7247]

@@Unchained_Alice It is, otherwise it would not include the ridiculous first room of 8-4

[@ThaAwesome10]

Maru’s tas actually is the real tas, the human theory tas is 4:54.282 by KingOf_JonnyBoy

[@TigerTip44]

Mniland is Back !

[@curshburger4582]

Solid video for sure but I think once the WR gets down to mid 4:54 it’ll need an update

[@charlesidiot4534]

SAD that there isnt Kosmic

[@Garymaster4321]

Awesome stuff man, which programing language do you use?

[@flibidydibidy]

C++, Thanks!

[@zgossara5361]

Now the fabled 454 is no longer fabled our blue Man/ nifty man got it now compare it to the tas

[@hysterheister0947]

Thank you!!!

[@moth.monster]

Man I hope you release this tool just for playing by yourself or with friends lol

[@MedAnimations]

Imagine someone discovers a clipping through Bowser glitch

[@Ziroidex]

That wouldn’t save time.

[@MedAnimations]

@@Ziroidex Oh

[@ThaAwesome10]

Definitely not gonna happen but is no faster

[@TrimutiusToo]

wait what? Human best is only 3 frames behind TAS???

[@TrimutiusToo]

@ʜᴇʀᴢᴏɢ ну это не много меняет... Ну первый фрейм а 8-4 очень сложно сделать потому что там нужно сделать идеальные нажатия кнопок без звуковых или видимых ориентиров...

[@TrimutiusToo]

@@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn rom hacks don't count... You might then say that rom hack that disables frame rules and load times is even faster...

[@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn]

@@TrimutiusToo However, the framerule system and load times are exactly the same as this ROM hack, and the Any% levels are exactly the same.

[@TrimutiusToo]

@@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn firework system is different, which is super important in 8-3 as avoiding fireworks there loses frame rule, also pipe transitions work differently

[@vojtechstrnad1]

One suggestion: you could make it so that coins disappear on the screen once any of the displayed players collects them. Not sure if there are other game elements that could also be synchronized this way, but coins have no real impact and I think it would look nicer.

[@flibidydibidy]

You're absolutely right, it's part of what I hope to address in my refactoring / clean up. There are several foreground elements which can disappear. (Coins, blocks which are being bumped, bowser's bridge, the axe).

[@ilpisanoit]

You videos are awesome. Would be possible to leave names on screen? Sometimes it's a bit difficult remembering who's who.

[@TheExcalabur]

they're shown in the HUD for two of the marios. The third one is TAS.

[@8BitPlumber1]

What software do you use to make these?

[@beauhendershot7911]

one of the few games where the wr is actually so close to the tas jesus

[@someperson3883]

Do this again.

[@roygoodhand1301]

>human Sum of Best gets 4:54 by almost two Frame Rules 4:54 is INEVITABLE. We're also a single Frame Rule away from something never before thought possible. 4:53. I'm going to say that there's about 2 second barriers left: 4:54 and 4:53. A 4:52 is barely possible at this point.

[@tdpmati1949]

I dunno if you're trolling or not, or you're just not following SMB1 speedruns that closely, but with current knowledge, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to get 4:53, even by L+R TAS. No L+R TAS gets 4:54.265 and the only improvement made here recently was 1 frame in turnaround room by Maru and we dunno if we'll ever find something new ever. I think for now more consistent lightning 4-2 is the thing to be looking for.

[@KingOfJonnyBoy]

What no. The L+R TAS is a 4:54.03. It is 1 frame away from a framerule in 1-1and 4-2, but those would be L+R only as L+R fast accels save significantly more time already

[@kkmac7247]

@@tdpmati1949 Have you seen runners going for pl8-1? I think that they would greatly appreciate a better setup

[@tdpmati1949]

@@kkmac7247 The problem with pl8-1 is that there are literally 0 frames to spare, while there are few to operate in 4-2.

[@kkmac7247]

@@tdpmati1949 True, and it would be a lot more realistic for Lightning 4-2 to get a new setup than pl8-1

[@dnissrs5892]

You should update the 8-4 ;)

[@sh0wy._]

Wow this is cool

[@matthewbenedict5923]

maybe enemies should be shaded respectively to the color of the mario sprites

[@Cheestastical]

4:54 is inevitable

[@WheelerKyle]

Human Theory is so interesting

[@lilseb3436]

It’s actually isn’t human theory its just the no l+r tas

[@EebstertheGreat]

@@lilseb3436 In this game, there is no distinction. There is nothing the TAS does to save time that the humans could not match that doesn't involve pressing left and right on the same frame. If there were a room-by-room SOB, it would match the no L+R TAS exactly, or it might lose exactly one frame. Even that frame is not impossible for a human to save.

[@kkmac7247]

@@EebstertheGreat laughs in tas first room

[@ThaAwesome10]

@@EebstertheGreat by room sob is 1 frame off. You can’t get the frame that the no l+r tas does

[@EebstertheGreat]

@@ThaAwesome10 1 frame in the turn-around room? It can be saved.

[@economicapple2609]

KUKIE TIED TAS IN 8-4 NEW VIDEO WHEN

[@the1barbarian781]

What time was the sum of best?

[@ThaAwesome10]

4:54.332, but it’s currently 4:54.299

[@the1barbarian781]

@@ThaAwesome10 so 8-4 is now only 2 frames behind tas?

[@ThaAwesome10]

@@the1barbarian781 yeah, 1 behind the human theory

[@the1barbarian781]

@@ThaAwesome10 so it means 454 is possible one frame rule later than the record right?

[@ThaAwesome10]

@@the1barbarian781 yes

[@meraldlag4336]

Sum of best is a frame closer and wr is a framerule closer :D

[@codegeek98]

So the humans have _matched_ the best known TAS on each individual segment of the WR? We only await a hero to put it all together cleanly to put the best man and the best machine side by side on the metaphorical leaderboard?

[@jasonbell2008]

Nope! There’s one frame of difference in the first room of 8-4! Other than that, though, yes

[@bes03c]

great vid, I threw you a sub.