SMOKE WARNING ONBOARD | DHL A300 Returns to Amsterdam

[@VASAviation]

Amsterdam dudes always so cool!

[@johnnydipp9994]

I like how they nearly always have emergency aircraft use a discreet frequency at AMS, it makes comms so much easier for the crew.

[@Avgeek_germain]

@Johnny Dipp I mean its also easier for the controller since frequent talking is required usually

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, indeed.

[@dgonL]

The EZY62TP asking if he was still cleared for takeoff shows great professionalism and situational awareness by those pilots.

[@Hans_R._Wahl]

Indeed.

[@BillySugger1965]

I came here to comment similarly, but no need. Great airmanship.

[@NicolaW72]

Exactly.

[@davidisaacson9543]

Love how they get assigned a discrete frequency. ATC was so good

[@laurencekoetsier]

The discrete freq is one of the lessons learned from the crash of el al 1862 in 1992 in a residential flat. Too much distractions with hand offs between controllers. I think it's great!

[@jesperdiercks981]

@@laurencekoetsier ELAL indeed was handed off 3 times or something

[@Derderderheisst]

Amsterdam deals with emergencies just like normals ops. Sooo smooth!

[@commerce-usa]

Better safe than sorry is always a good idea. Glad it worked out well for the crew.

[@dsy1081]

I absolutely love that Amsterdam puts emergencies on a discrete frequency. Fantastic work all around.

[@raspar6]

Love the way they interact - all different nationalities and accents, and they all work together so professionally and clearly

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed - a Dutch ATC, a German and a French Pilot.

[@miguelr1784]

Kudos to that guy on the discrete freq, being proactive and offering help in advance.

[@TwistedQuestionMark]

Such a polite exchange!

[@Rhinozherous]

00:31 Amsterdam has some runways available indeed :) ATC is so calm, professional AND friendly!

[@dre-explores]

Professionals all around

[@Avgeek_germain]

4:07 little slip up from the pilots, they used the old callsign :P (which was changed to postman a few weeks before incident)

[@desmond-hawkins]

ATC also call them Eurotrans 1491, a bit later (4:54). *edit:* they changed on March 1st, 2023.

[@Avgeek_germain]

@@desmond-hawkins yup, probably because they read back as eurotrans. But ye, they were probably doing checklists and stuff so its understandable the pilots got it wrong, it was only 3 weeks in with the new callsign and theyve probably used the old one too often

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, but that was a minor fault, the ATC got it mixed up at some point, too.

[@Avgeek_germain]

@@NicolaW72 yup. And I mean i don't blame them. Both sides were busy with handling the situation

[@NicolaW72]

@@Avgeek_germain Indeed.

[@JohnDoe-zw6to]

0:11 Imagine being the controller, all's going well and you suddenly hear an aircraft go "MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY" with the airbus master warning bell screaming in the background...controller must've shat a brick.

[@Hans_R._Wahl]

Thank you very much for picking this incident up!🙂👍 Nice to see that everything went out well here.

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, exactly!🙂

[@Avgeek_germain]

Ah, you managed to at least get audio for thisone :P Greetings from Germain from messanger :P

[@fToo]

Postman is a great callsign ... not quite as good as Speedbird or Shamrock ... but nearly !

[@draij023]

... well, I could here something ringing inside the Postman.

[@moomae1]

Yeah, just because there's no visible smoke in the cabin doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed.

[@letto18]

Well done! NIce to know that in 2023 that the A300 is still in service with DHL, granted this would be a newer variant (A300-600RF) compared to the one that was hit by a SAM and successfully landed after losing all hydraulic systems in 2003 (A300B4-203F)

[@Hans_R._Wahl]

D-AEAH is 25 years old aircraft, so one of the late built ones. It was delivered first to Japsn Airlines in 1998, then converted into a freighter in 2011 and is flying for EAT Leipzig since 2012. EAT Leipzig still operates a fleet of 22 A 300.

[@NicolaW72]

@@Hans_R._Wahl Yes, indeed. It´s one of the largest A300-Operator which has remained.

[@Cloudwalk9]

"We have runways available" I'd certainly hope so...

[@elcastorgrande]

As near perfect as it gets. Complete situational awareness, not one wasted word. I can imagine a US ATC asking for souls on board by age, price of fuel by mililiters in quatloos, and other ephemera.

[@iatsd]

Oh, don't be too harsh! US ATC would have asked all that in less than 0.5 of a second of talking, so it can't be too bad, eh? ;) :)

[@RadioNul]

I thought since El Al in 1992 that Schiphol doesn't offer RWY27 to emergency inbounds.

[@aviation_muc480]

Since when did DHL change their callsign from 'Eurotrans' to 'Postman', should be fairly recent?

[@firestormhd9885]

We changed it at the beginning of March. But it still needs time to get into our heads😂 Oh and, we‘re not DHL: EAT Leipzig is the correct name!

[@aviation_muc480]

​​​​​@@firestormhd9885 I can only imagine😅 Also sorry about the misidentification, I get quite confused at times correctly identifying the many DHL sub-carriers (DHL Air UK, EAT Leipzig, Southern Air, Polar etc.) Thanks for the insight and best regards!

[@SpearFisher85]

My wife just recently worked for DHL Costa Rica, I'll have to ask her lol nice catch

[@OtakuAviators]

@@firestormhd9885 ATC apparently still needs to get it in their heads as well as they also used the 'Eurotrans' callsign one time.😄

[@Hans_R._Wahl]

@@OtakuAviators Indeed.

[@tomcomer8957]

High chance could be carrying flowers that create condensation and trip the smoke detectors.

[@EdOeuna]

A huge amount of flowers get flown into Amsterdam from Kenya. I’m not sure of the z Dutch export market.

[@tomcomer8957]

@@EdOeuna spring tulips this time of year but you are right most would be imported to AMS.

[@johnnydipp9994]

@@EdOeuna The world's biggest flower auction is in Aalsmeer, which is right next door to AMS.

[@Itamem0no]

99% of the freight carried by them is parcels, in the 4 years I've worked on EHAM, i think i've never seen them load flowers.

[@othername1000]

Taxied to the runway? Did they take off again after fire brigade inspection?

[@bensmethurst3379]

I see nobody has quite got used to the new PostMan callsign, still accidently using EuroTrans.

[@ovaskerri]

Its "Leipzig EDDP"

[@MCDU81]

Amsterdam is one of the best regarding handling emergencies. In the USA the controllers can only waste your time with asking the same stuff over and over again.

[@ahm_767]

Ah yes, they have indeed changed their callsign from Eurotrans to Postman.

[@dabooom1296]

Where is Elipzig?😄

[@antonik2674]

I can't get over how horrible the 'postman' callsign is for EAT. Even the pilot ended up saying eurotrans a couple times

[@EdOeuna]

A bit of a radar vector then straight back in. Not much silence would have been trimmed from the original audio to make this. A text book response to an emergency on departure.

[@IanIsDifferent]

Why did BCS changed their callsign from eurotrans to postman?

[@chrisschack9716]

Neither snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor gloom of night stays these aircraft ... smoke warnings, however, do.

[@JSFGuy]

Full Stop...

[@wadesaxton6079]

Textbook

[@aviationmanchester152]

I thought BCS - Was Eurotrans not Postman 🤔

[@VASAviation]

Recently changed

[@aviationmanchester152]

@@VASAviation Ah makes sense. Thank you 😎

[@JohnSmith-fy3jy]

didn't mayday aircraft will alway get priority? Why they put them in No.2 on landing ?

[@johnnydipp9994]

They had priority, but there was also an aircraft closer to the runway, about to touchdown, which made this one number two.

[@JohnSmith-fy3jy]

@@johnnydipp9994 it kinda make sense, but there a chance if No.1 aircraft have some issue or miss the exit and can't get out of runway in time that going to make mayday aircraft go around

[@johnnydipp9994]

Sidestep to 18C is probably the backup plan if 18R isn't cleared in time.

[@dtonnaer]

​@@johnnydipp9994 18C is being resurfaced and has been closed for weeks ;-)

[@S_Paoli]

what's the difference between declaring an emergency and saying Mayday, Mayday, Mayday?

[@lyaneris]

Mayday is understood by everyone and not used in regular communication. It catches everyones attention (see the departing aircraft asking about the clearance) and frees up the frequency. In practice, both can be used, but a mayday doesn't leave as many questions. Also, when declaring an emergency in the US, it often would have been a PAN-PAN - urgency (medicals, backup system failures, controlled shutdown of one engine, etc)

[@iflyuwalk]

one is proper, the other ain't.

[@S_Paoli]

@@iflyuwalk which is which? 😂

[@yarati4584]

​@@S_Paoli MAYDAY or PANPAN are the proper terms, as agreed by international standards.

[@robertl426]

Mayday x 3 and Pan Pan x 3 are the internationally understood terms. In the USA pilots often say "declaring an emergency" rather than Mayday for some reason. Works fine in US airspace, but in other countries I think it would be better if they used Mayday or Pan Pan. Some American pilots do use those terms though, I've heard it a few times.

[@ScenicIreland80]

A300 in the thumbnail?

[@VASAviation]

Affirm

[@ScenicIreland80]

Okay it originally said a330 was confused lol

[@D4rthDuck]

A330 or a300?

[@jazzi_0453]

A300

[@maxbarko8717]

It always amazes me how English speakers have difficulties to write a German name correctly. Even in one sentence. Leipzig butchered to Elipzig.😮 1:02

[@NicolaW72]

Victor is Spanish.🙂

[@maxbarko8717]

@@NicolaW72 oh ok, probably from Barlezona. Haste luego.

[@NicolaW72]

@@maxbarko8717 😅

[@moisgolis]

Mayday or PAN PAN ....

[@theonlywoody2shoes]

As a mere PPL, I was told that a Mayday was appropriate if you are experiencing loss, or imminent loss of aircraft control for any number of different reasons including: aircraft upset by turbulence; pilot incapacitation; spatial disorientation; control surface or structural failure; engine failure that will lead to a forced landing or ditching etc, or any indication of an onboard fire. The smoke alarm is no different to a fire alarm in a building; if it indicates an issue get out, and resolve any problems arising from a safe location. A Mayday can always be downgraded to a Pan if needed, but better to be safe than “toasty”.

[@robertl426]

Mayday is correct in this situation, smoke (potential fire) is one of the worst things to happen on an aircraft.

[@EdOeuna]

Now consider there are just 2 pilots and no access to any of the cargo areas. They can’t determine the source of the smoke either, so returning is the best option. Smoke/fire/fumes checklist is written in blood, and all aircraft OEM’s appear to agree with the one principle of land at nearest suitable airport.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@EdOeuna Sounds like one of them did take a peek. They were saying no smoke seen in later transmissions.

[@EdOeuna]

@@jamesphillips2285 - more likely that the cargo smoke notification disappeared as opposed to someone visually checking. No sane pilot would get out of their seat, with a smoke incident, shortly after departure.