Smuggling Works into Faith (with Mike Abendroth) | Theocast

[@TL-yl5tp]

Thanks brothers, keep doing what your doing and Praise God that we sinners are saved in Christ alone , by grace and though faith. God bless guys :)

[@randypierson6358]

Snuggled inn yup makes sense backloading works into a gospel message on full assurance😮😮

[@amandagarcia1641]

Glad I stumbled upon this. Very informative for me . I took many notes. I’ve struggled with questioning my salvation so much. Coming away from NAR, then to John MacArthur where I have this intense fear im not “predestined “. I do like pastor MacArthur, it just makes question everything , because I can’t obtain perfection or I don’t see evidence of all the fruits of the Spirit. but in a anxious way. I do suffer from cptsd, so my anxiety is reared up heavily.

[@graftme3168]

MacArthur is a false teacher.

[@lefthandguitar]

Thank you so much men this has really helped me. Got caught up with Theonomy for a while found it very destructive, self righteous and legalistic

[@TheMaineSurveyor]

This is very encouraging, thank you.

[@sdw1103]

One look at the church and politics now shows that for the evangelical church it is more about changing culture than preaching Christ.

[@NoahFred29]

3 Solid Dudes!

[@johndavolta3124]

So how does this relate to _Free Grace_ theology then?

[@graftme3168]

The foundation of salvation is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We can't build on anything else. If we don't have the Gospel right, it doesn't matter what we do or don't do, and it doesn't matter what else we believe or don't believe. Believing that anything else is required except faith in Jesus Christ is building on the wrong foundation. No other foundation can be laid than that is laid.

[@daveross]

Not sure I understand the difference between fiduciary and volitional terms when describing salvation. Why can't I wonder if I'm "trusting" enough to be saved? "Surrender" seems less volitional because it describes someone who is done fighting, surrounded, and completely powerless.

[@colonalklink14]

There are no works required up front or through the back door. That's for service, not salvation. Salvation is absolutely free and not conditional upon service. Saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ "alone" for salvation.

[@johnhoffman8203]

So, how much knowledge do we need to have before we can be spirit reborn/justified/called into Christ? And if knowledge is a part of it then it's works to learn it and therefore be saved. The kingdom is not what one enters at rebirth per Jn 3.3, yet is still salvation of the spirit, as one can only see the kingdom. Only until the requirements of Jn 3.5 are met can we enter the KOG/KOH.

[@graftme3168]

The Gospel alone, without any other knowledge, is the power unto salvation. Jesus even told the Pharisees they could be saved without having the law if they desired to be saved.

[@johnhoffman8203]

What is salvation? Jesus said in Heb 9.27/28 that judgement is salvation and He is coming back apart from sin for salvation. Until you are judged at the JSOC and found worthy to enter the kingdom per Jn 3.5, you dont have salvation.

[@graftme3168]

@@johnhoffman8203 John 5:24 He that hears my word and believes on Him that sent me, HAS everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but IS PASSED from death unto life." 1 John 5: 11-13 "And this is the record that God has given to us eternal life and this life is in His Son. He that has the Son HAS life and he that has not the Son of God has not life. These things I have written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that you may KNOW that you HAVE eternal life and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God."

[@graftme3168]

@@johnhoffman8203 How is judgement salvation? That's not what it says. It just says that when a man dies he is judged immediately. What will you be judged on? Whether you believed on Christ. If so, you have eternal life already. If not, you are damned already. Further judgement for believers will be for rewards. Further judgement for the damned will determine the severity of their punishment.

[@pooml.178]

May I ask, how would you respond to the Martin Luther quote “we are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone?” Did that quote originate from Luther?

[@wellactually21]

He's just talking about how faith by itself doesn't save, like the Arminian or Provisionists believe, he's saying faith embracing Christ is what saves, not faith by itself, or faith produced by your own doing.

[@tomtemple69]

​@@wellactually21faith by itself saves, works are produced by genuine faith when you receive the Holy Spirit

[@lawrence1318]

True Christianity is involuntary.

[@IAmisMaster]

"Let us now consider the question of faith. In the first place, we feel that we should advise the faithful that they would endanger the salvation of their souls if they acted on the false assurance that faith alone is sufficient for salvation or that they need not perform good works in order to be saved. This, in fact, is what some had thought even in the time of the apostles. For at that time there were some who did not understand certain rather obscure passages of St. Paul, and who thought therefore that he had said: Let us do evil that there may come good [Rom. 3:8]. [….] When St. Paul says, therefore, that man is justified by faith and not by the observance of the law [Rom. 3:28]. he does not mean that good works are not necessary or that it is enough to receive and to profess the faith and no more. What he means rather and what he wants us to understand is that man can be justified by faith, even though he has not previously performed any works of the law. For the works of the law are meritorious not before but after justification. But there is no need to discuss this matter any further, especially since I have treated of it at length in another book entitled On the Letter and the Spirit. As we have said above, this opinion originated in the time of the apostles, and that is why we find some of them, for example, Peter, John, James, and Jude, writing against it in their epistles and asserting very strongly that faith is no good without works. [….] We can see, then, why St. Peter in his second epistle urges the faithful to live good and holy lives, reminding them that this world will pass away and that they are to look for new heavens and a new earth which the just will inhabit, and that, consequently, they ought to live as as to be worthy of such a dwelling place. He was aware of the fact that certain unrighteous men had interpreted certain rather obscure passages of St. Paul to mean that they did not have to lead a good life, since they were assured of salvation as long as they had the faith. He warns them that, although there are certain passages in the epistles of St. Paul which are hard to understand - which passages some have misinterpreted, as they have other passages of Sacred Scripture, but to their own ruin - nevertheless, St. Paul has the same mind on the question of eternal salvation as have all the other apostles, namely, that eternal salvation will not be given except to those who lead a good life." - Augustine, on Faith and Works (circa AD 413)

[@graftme3168]

Augustine obviously didn't believe the Gospel.

[@Mortdshue]

The last few SR podcasts have been exact duplicates of Theocast. What’s up with that?

[@Rachel-mv6bh]

I would carefully disagree with the statement that faith in God is antinomian Jesus came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it and he has on our behalf. In Christ we are not apart from the law but we are freed from the law of sin and death, we are no longer condemned by the moral law in Christ because Christ our lord has taken our condemnation on the cross. The law is not bad it is a mirror and the perfection of Christ the law is good and holy and we should not be against it in fact apart of our new covenant is that it is written on our hearts. I would love to hear your thoughts on this

[@randypierson6358]

It's called front loading or back loading works, that's how pastors smuggle thier galatian Error into their gospel messages of works salvation.😮