SMY - Being Sorbian (documentary 2019)

Deutsche Untertitel: • SMY (dokumentarischer...
The Sorbs are a minority living in the east of Saxony in Germany. Five people discuss their personal confession to this small group. While explaining how they access a separate language, age-old costumes and unique traditions today they realize how trying to define ones identity can cause some conflict.
A short film by Sophia Ziesch and Luisa Nawka produced in 2019. The film won the main prize of the 17. Lusatian FilmShow at the 29. FilmFestival Cottbus.
Languages: German and Sorbian
Subtitles: English
Link to the film with German subtitles: • SMY (dokumentarischer...
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[@srpski846]

Love Sorbia from Serbia 🇷🇸❤🏴󠁵󠁳󠁯󠁨󠁿

[@TheCriticalAnalyst]

good that you found each other, now leave kosovo and balkans to us and go to poland with your brothers.

[@psihodelija8917]

@@TheCriticalAnalyst you will go soon in Caucasus in Caucasian Albania your ancient homeland

[@TheCriticalAnalyst]

@@psihodelija8917 LOL !!!! I dont have a homeland in caucasus, but we know you have BJELA SERBIA in POLAND. gypsy get out of balkan gipsy polack

[@antikbate2081]

@@TheCriticalAnalyst go back to the Caucasus and live with goats, u will like it.

[@darkodraco]

@@TheCriticalAnalyst poland hates serbia lmao we recognize kosovo first slavic country to do so

[@tosamja1636]

Same blood,same mother, long live the Sorbia from Serbia!

[@TheCriticalAnalyst]

Good that you finally met each other, now leave kosovo and balkans alone and go back to the sorbs and go live together in Poland where you belong, stupid polak slavs.

[@o-8205]

"Дај ми едно јајко" нија ви разбирамо братја поздрави те из Шоплук од Сорбиан!

[@serbsrb]

Поздрав из Србиjе 😀

[@stole1389]

Поздрав... Одакле си? Јел има Шопа у Бугарској који знају српско порекло?

[@vladica879]

Pozdrav brate🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸

[@gandrazmaj8137]

@@stole1389 pa bugari i pricaju Sopski ( tracanski)

[@andrzejdobrowolski9523]

Daj mi jedno jajko 🇵🇱

[@bcactus3510]

Im of sorbian descent and my family came to Australia and forgot all traditions over a century and a half . Lost our identity. I always wanted to return to lusatia and live lol

[@EricV-lq3jq]

For most people feeling this way, just try to start learning your cultures language, free and easy online. Give it a week and youll second guess its importance in the real world (bills, healthcare, housing) and throw your culture on the back burner where it belongs. Tough as things are nobody should be devalued for not worrying about such small things like traditions, essentially roleplay/dressup.

[@ukrainian_mf]

​@@EricV-lq3jqAlso a nice tip is to learn the history, and who are the Polabs :)

[@goranbras4767]

​@@ukrainian_mf😂 Ajnhard po Ajnhardu franacki hronicar 9.st. Period od 795. do 829. godine je zapisao Ajhnard. Njemu se pripisuje i taj dio koji se vezuje za 822. godinu i spominje južne Srbe: Exercitus de Italia propter Liudewiticum bellum conficiendum in Pannoniam missus est, ad cuius adventum Liudewitus, Siscia civitate relicta, ad Sorabos, quae natio MAGNUM Dalmatiae partem obtinere dicitur, fugiendo se contulit, et uno ex ducibus eorum, a quo receptus est, per dolum interfecto, civitatem eius in suam redegit dicionem. Missis tamen ad exercitum imperatoris legatis suis ad eius praesentiam se velle venire promisit. Srbi 😂

[@milovanilic317]

I would love to go and visit our brothers and sisters 🇷🇸❤️

[@TheCriticalAnalyst]

yes go and leave Kosovo alone, you belong in poland together with sorbs

[@mickel1634]

Other than being slavic sorbs and Serbs haven't got anything in common, their language aren't even in the same branches with sorbian being western slavic and Serbo-Croatian southern slavic

[@nikolagostovic5225]

@@mickel1634 dont play smart years drifted us apart, but we were one tribe for sure

[@psihodelija8917]

@@mickel1634 you are not competent to talk about that because you are not Serb. We are one people who went in different ways.

[@mickel1634]

@@psihodelija8917 serb ≠ sorb

[@markomujic1614]

Many greatings to my People in the luzica stay strong pozdrav iz Dortmunda

[@Freddy3Jersem]

Dzakuju!!! Finally something I can show people wothenglish subtitles.. prevents awkward mediation breaks!

[@luisan1799]

Sure!! nice, that you like it and you're welcome

[@markeedeep]

@@luisan1799 are you Sorbian? Do you feature in this film?

[@luisan1799]

@@markeedeep Hey Mark. yes I am sorbian and no i do not feature in this film! but i was in conversation with the protagonists, together with my friend Sophia Ziesch.

[@markeedeep]

@@luisan1799 it's a nice presentation, thank you! I'm Serbian born and raised in England, I first heard about these "Serbians" from Luzica when I was a kid in the 80s, but I thought all along these were all assimilated Germans with proto-Slavic cultural origin, I didn't realise at all they're an actual ethnic group that still speak their language! And while I do look at this matter critically, when I hear these people say "serbska" it is naturally amazing for me as a Serbian to hear this!

[@user-xt6mf1wk8w]

​​@@luisan1799Pozdrav iz Srbije🇷🇸.Namerno pišem na južno Serbskom jer znam da ćeš moći da pročitaš i da ćeš razumeti tekst!Mnogo mi je drago što se i dalje borite za očuvanje vašeg jezika i pisma,kulture.Samo Srbi imaju taj gen inata, hiljadu godina opstajete bez svoje države.Znamo koliko ste propatili.Zainteresovao sam se mnogo za vas i iznenadio kada sam video koliko istih,sličnih reči imamo i dalje a razdvojeni smo 1400 godina...neverovatno.Veliki pozdrav i živela Lužica! P.S himna Rajna Lužica je prelepa.❤ Ako imaš želju i vremena poslušaj i ovu našu,lako može biti zajednička kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmTLi3l7jJ2Yd7ssi=96PLBMj1lnYIGTaj

[@predragpavlovic903]

Hi from south Serbs to north Serbs🙂

[@joegee6434]

You can see the grandma is upset that her granddaughter isn't following the traditions of the their community. Very sad but its happening in almost very culture around the world.

[@juliannyca1815]

It's not sad. They'll invent their own traditions.

[@grandmastersreaction1267]

@@juliannyca1815 except they won’t.

[@marieka9963]

Yeah it’s disturbing... the young dont appreaciate their culture enough...

[@tramaboi753]

its great that she speaks the language tho thats more important imo

[@antikbate2081]

Not almost every. Only white people arent following their traditions...

[@alearn1083]

I hope you can keep your culture and languages♡

[@JaKamille]

Vielen lieben Dank für diese Doku 😍😍😍 Toll gemacht ❤️

[@KristVladic]

Dziękuje, bardzo ciekawe. :) Hej Łužiscy Serbja'(Łužyske) Serby!

[@bobanstojkovic3754]

Pozdrav braci Serbima iz Stare Serbije, Belgrada.

[@draganlekic54]

A beograd je baš stara srbija

[@PlaviStrumf]

@@draganlekic54 singidunum

[@marieka9963]

Keep going! Greetings from Czech.❤️

[@lovelypolishperson5566]

sorbs should have their own country, where sorbian languages would be official; I think they should get an area the size of luxembourg, between poland, czech rep. and germany

[@hermannarminius7757]

No im partly sorbian and Most sorbs dont want that. There are only 60k anyway

[@NN-gm7oy]

@@hermannarminius7757 Sorbs should have their own mini state, but even if they don't have it, they will always have it in the Balkans.

[@anthemsofeurope2408]

@@hermannarminius7757 Your username is Hermann Arminius. You are not sorbian... You are a nazi who lie about his heritage to insult the sorbs...

[@hermannarminius7757]

@@anthemsofeurope2408 I am from Brandenburg. My grandmother is 1/4 sorbian, like I said im partly sorbian. many sorbs get assimilited into the german people. And yes i am a german nationalist

[@anthemsofeurope2408]

That's sad. I'm polabian from Rügen. Our ancestors fought united against the germans. I can't understand who someone can love his own enemy

[@alexmasic]

Love you Sorbians, from Serbians!!

[@deadraccoon5210]

Źěkuje!

[@lionheart5078]

as a slovak speaker I thought I would understand more if this language, maybe its just the way they are speaking but I could barely make out a few words

[@pan_nekdo]

Taky jsem to očekával, zvlášť vzhledem k tomu, že rozumět polsky bylo spíše otázkou cviku než učení a na papíře vypadá lužická srbština blíže našemu pravopisu než polský pravopis.

[@borzmir9326]

@@pan_nekdo polabian languages were more similar to polish then lusatian.

[@Robertoslaw.Iksinski]

@@pan_nekdo In Non-Official West Slavic Mix: Na papierze w polskim i serbskołużyckim prawopisie są poużywane litery: Ć, Ł, Ń, W, Ź, které jsou nepouživané v českém a slovenskom pravopise. A kromie tego w polskim i serbskołużyckim prawopisie są niepoużywane długie samogłoski, przeto że dlouhé samohlásky su použivané jen v českém a slovenskom pravopise. Tak, że bliskość prawopisów jest wielmi relatywna :)

[@pan_nekdo]

@@Robertoslaw.Iksinski Polština má jediné písmeno s diakritikou shodné s češtinou - Ó - zatímco luž. srbština má větší množství písmen s háčkem (která jsou vzhledově shodná s českými). Navíc na rozdíl od polštiny nepoužívá spřežky, což také vzhledově přiblíží pravopis tomu českému.

[@Robertoslaw.Iksinski]

@@pan_nekdo V polštině všechny dlouhe samohlasky zmizely uż v 15 stoleti . Z tohoto důvodu polske Ó to neni dlouhe O, protoże v polštině je to ekvivalent slovenskeho Ô a českeho Ů. Rozdil je dnes jen takovy, że v současne polštině Ó dnes vyslovuje se jako obyčejne kratke U, zatimco jeho původni vyslovnost jako "uo" je dnes spravna uż jen v slovenštině :) A co se tyka pismen s hačkem, obě lužicke srbštiny poużivaji jen 5 pismen s hačkem, ktere vyslovuje se identicky jak spřeżkove ekvivalenty v polštině, zatimco hlavny rozdil je takovy, że wysłowność polsko-łużyckoserbskich liter : Ć, Ł, Ń, W, Ź neni jednoducha pro většinu Čechů a Slovaků :)

[@Haendelman]

Jara cool doku. (:

[@stanislev]

Bracia Luzyczanie, domagajcie sie od Polski i Czech pomocy, wsparcia finansowego Waszej kultury i jezyka. To jest nasz obowiazek. Juz ponad 1200 lat jestescie pod niemiecka okupacja! Zrobcie Federacje obu narodow - Luzyc Poludniowych i Polnocnych. W jednosci sila. Honor Wam! My Polacy, powinnismy utworzyc na Uniwersytecie Wroclawskim Katedere Luzycka z filologia obu jezykow. Natychmiast! Jesli Polska i Czechy nie podejma akcji, beda odpowiedzialne za pomaganie Niemcom w wynarodawianiu ostatnich Slowian na Zachod od Odry! (Prosze o polubienia z lapka w gore).

[@markeedeep]

Problem je što je rimokatolicizam religija germanskih plemena. A pravi Sloveni su pravoslavni. Kada bi Poljska postala sva pravoslavna, izgledali bi ste skoro isto kao Belorusi.

[@shian3850]

​@@markeedeepCzyli Polacy nie są prawdziwymi Słowianami, ponieważ nie są prawosławni? Zanima me onda što su oni po tvojem mišljenju. Germani? 😅

[@radekw-gh6ln]

​​@@markeedeepReligią plemion germańskich jest Protestantyzm. Jedynym wyjątkiem jest katolicka Bawaria.

[@ZlatnoPeroTV]

​@@radekw-gh6lnRoman Catholicism is intrinsically racist towards Slavs just like Protestantism.

[@user-mk4ft3qj1w]

Sorbs don't need help from Poland. Sorbs belong to Germany, like Saxony, Bavaria or Frisia. Fortunately, they have been able to maintain their language and culture to this day. Sorbs took part in the etnogenesis of the Germans. please stop with your racist pan-Slavic fantasies. Sorbian people do not live under occupation, they have been part of Germany from the beginning. Germans promote their language and culture. In addition to German, Sorbian is also an official language in Sachsen

[@kennethklumpo4868]

As a Sorbian American I can’t believe how similarly I think like these people with never being exposed to them. The one boy who said he does not believe in church but instead in god I agree with him. The one girl who said that she feels like she’s not obligated to be a part of anything I feel like that. I don’t have the language to keep me connected to my Sorbian identity or the culture but I do have the history and religion

[@kennethklumpo4868]

Between my two best friends one is polish and the other is German and they always end up fighting but I break it up ahahaha because I’m the middle. I’m both

[@Spinnradler]

You could try to learn it. At least some Sorbian expression. Do you know where your Sorbian ancestors come from? Because two Sorbian languages exist.

[@Akcija1930]

Please do not give up. I wish you best luck, and I hope that SORBS will survive! Greetings from fraternal Serbia!

[@khust2993]

So, just American

[@EricV-lq3jq]

So you share some of the most commonly held beliefs in the world, yet think only Sorbs think this way? Its called being Protestant Christian lol not Sorbian

[@Ondra273]

I'm Czech and I would like to meet the German-speaking Prostestant lady. She has an amazing vibe and it seems that she has some very interesting things to say about identity and Slav-ness.

[@Ondra273]

I'm interested wheter the people in the video speak Upper or Lower Sorbian as some of them are easier on my Czech ears while others sound a bit more Polish.

[@luisan1799]

@@Ondra273 They are speaking Upper Sorbian!

[@miloss5419]

@@luisan1799 may I ask do you as an individual and if you could speak for the collective of the native Serbs in Germany feel like you belong to the great Serbian people? Or so you think you are some different Slavic tribe that coincidentally has a name identical to the rest of the Serbian people? I as a Serb native to the Balkans am convinced that we are one people. Thanks

[@mrbatman4robin]

@@miloss5419 The title of the documentary is a giveaway: it's about Sorbs and the Sorbian language. Nothing to do with Serbs in Serbia. Educating yourself about Sorbian history would correct some of your misconceptions.

[@ssaraswati]

@@miloss5419 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4HEf52gYpuCrtU

[@webmobpost5619]

🌞 Thank you, for this video, it's like the answer to the thoughts in my head, how are you, dear family? We invite you for Slavic holidays on Ślęża mountain in the Lower Silesia, in the 23 September for harvest or in the June next year for Kupala festival on "Osada Mokoszy"❤

[@kimrizo1938]

What does it mean - osada Mokoshi?

[@ma0987]

Ich finde das Mädchen ziemlich reflektiert im Umgang mit ihrer Identität

[@kevdeanstudios]

Pozdrav braća

[@zumbulkanjuska4031]

Pozdrav brate ..

[@illyrian3057]

Kuči plime 🇦🇱

[@Darrrek74]

They have such a strong german accent that it does not even sound like a slavic language anymore

[@yakobboi6764]

Agreed, I’m ukranian and i hardly understood anything at all

[@ukrainian_mf]

​@@yakobboi6764Але у письменному варіянті стає набагато логічніше

[@marybee1594]

Lužičani uopšte ne zvuči sorbski kao srpski, baš smo se udaljili lingvistički. Greetings from Luznica in Serbia, yes here there is also not Luzica but Luznica, meaning is the same oak forest, and all names of rivers and toponyms that you have there if Germans didn't wiped them all, all those names exist in Serbia, it's hard to save identity in country that did everything to wipe you from history, and in religions that are also wiping identity. Thanks God Ortodox religion alowed us to keepvprehistoric serbian or sorbian traditions here and they still live, We are Indians of Europe, that truth will endure despite all german eforts.

[@Spinnradler]

Слава!

[@MarjanVukovic]

@D D Мислим да није лепо ликовати над туђом несрећом, брате Србине

[@MarjanVukovic]

@D D Свеједно је шта је истина око њихове историје и језика. Твоја реакција је непримерена једном српском родољубу. Ја могу, али нећу да ти дајем савете око лепог понашања, како не бих сам себи скочио у уста. Морал је старији од нас

[@Iupiter1984]

@D D Oni ne smatraju Srbe bracom, izuzetak je ona mala neprimetljiva inteligencija koja govori neki drugi slovenski jezik. Bilo je puno Srba, Ceha, Rusa, Poljaka pa cak i Makedonaca i Bugara kod njih. Nit Cehe nit Poljake smatraju bracom a kamoli Srbe i one druge iz Balkana, al uverite se sami...Svako mora sam stvoriti vlastito misljenje.

[@Iupiter1984]

@D D Blizima naravno. Poljaci i Cesi su takodje iznenadjeni kad vide da je razlika veca nego sto su mislili.

[@mozdieloz3826]

I think Mammy Upper Sorbian was trying to make daughter Upper Sorbian feel guilty about not being there ALL the time.....

[@DKrusha]

Is there a website, radio, tv show, newspaper, FB group, or any other way to consume this language and culture? I have enjoyed the video and would like to learn more. Thanks!

[@jana_t]

Yes, all of it! Lower Sorbian radio: www.rbb-online.de/radio/sorbisches_programm/sorbisches_programm.html Lower Sorbian TV: www.rbb-online.de/luzyca/ Lower Sorbian newspaper: www.nowycasnik.de/index.php/dsb/ Upper Sorbian radio: www.mdr.de/serbski-program/rozhlos/index.html Upper Sorbian TV: www.mdr.de/serbski-program/wuhladko/index.html Upper Sorbian newspaper: www.serbske-nowiny.de/index.php/hsb/ FB-groups: General: facebook.com/groups/125003457525796 Language Learning (in German and Sorbian): facebook.com/groups/395187350691447 Learning Upper Sorbian (in English): facebook.com/groups/570133676407447

[@liqiz1755]

@@jana_twhat’s the favorite sport of Sorbians?

[@jana_t]

@@liqiz1755 That is probably a personal matter 😉, but alltogether I would say it is football (soccer). The Sorbs have taken part in the Europeada (the cup of the European minorities) every time so far. I personally do not like football so much, but I do follow the Europeada. The spirit there is awesome.

[@aleksandarterzic1695]

I understand they perfectly. Ok I learned Germany in higher school. But is were difrent more like I don't know but is my people.

[@panpizza5863]

12:00 - Najwyraźniej po serbsko-łużycku, bez tych strasznych niemieckich naleciałości, mówi ten chłopak. Reszta mówi tak niewyraźnie i z takim niemieckimi naleciałościami (niemieckie R), że trudno cookolwiek zrozumieć. Nawet babcia wtrąca niemieckie słowa. Czarno widzę przyszłośc serbsko-łużyckiego języka. Niemcy cały czas wynarodowiają słowiańskie narody.

[@user-xt6mf1wk8w]

Its very sad for one nation to not have a state for so long(1000 years), almost like Kurdish people.In case of Luzatian Searbs moust terible thing is that they dont know almost nothing about distance past, about Proto land.We know why is that.Germans even Pols and Chezh bulied them in past,burn their books,forbited language and now when Luzatian Searb is weak,in small number(barely 60000 souls),with no memory,everybody is worried(we call that crocodile tears or hypocrisy).But in the past when Luzatians were stronger in larger number,they were a "problem" and if they didnt been germanized they would sufer the same faith as jewes probably, during ww2. But we Searbs from Balkan, we know our history,nearest and distance...I have only best wishes for Lusatians, be strong as you were, hope you will rise again, greatings from Serbia🇷🇸❤️💪

[@roberturbanczyk204]

Poles bulied them 😂? Sober up

[@user-xt6mf1wk8w]

@@roberturbanczyk204 Yes, that is unfortunately true. Research a little further history of Slavs (Czechs, Poles, White Serbs) and you will unfortunately see mutual quarrels and conflicts. For example, in Poland also deny the existence of white Croats in the distant past??

[@roberturbanczyk204]

@@user-xt6mf1wk8w what? You must be really drunk. You know nothing about Poles. You are just russian toyboy

[@henryk2873]

Niektóre słowa zdolnych są abo te same idzie rychtyk pojac

[@don1990srb]

West-Luzica war jahrhundertelang der westlichste serbische Staat. Keine Nation außer den Serben liegt so nördlich wie die Serben. Deshalb haben wir überall, wo wir waren, unseren eigenen Staat gegründet.

[@Spinnradler]

Wjelicnje!

[@dangotv4467]

Некоторые слова были понятны. Nekotoryje slova byli ponyatny.

[@Dominic_Walonski]

Не чего не понятно как будто немцы хотят говорить по славянский

[@henryk2873]

Chciolek uczyc się Łużyckiego atu tela szprewen mówcie po luzycku lepi zrozumiec

[@owenswabi]

These guys would love Dixieland

[@leenalindsaar8030]

What? There isn't a Sorbian word for "Alleinstellungsmerkmal"??

[@luisan1799]

Good question, I don´t know if there is a proper term!! :D let's say there are some German words which weren't translated because they are not commonly used, so the people just speak German because it's faster... Maybe you could say "přiznamjo jónkroćnosće"? But it is not totally accurate

[@user-we11pu7rp11]

The same happened with Slovenians in Austria and Bavaria… language is forgotten

[@user-we11pu7rp11]

From 17 century on Germanization became intense

[@user-we11pu7rp11]

West Italy the same

[@pdudanowicz]

krótka rozmowa o Łużycznach po białorusku: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZuYooqPrdqge9U Пару словаў пра лужычанаў

[@ukrainian_mf]

Jo! I'm Ukrainian but understand everything (lmao)

[@septimijemacvanin8084]

From South Serb🤝to North Serb

[@timetraveler2405]

Jak najprędzej przyłączyć Ich do Macierzy.

[@fjellyo3261]

Warum spielt Religion eigentlich immernoch so eine große Rolle bei den Sorben?

[@SRBINPZS]

There are some people down in the south that has the same name and origin, and that think and worry about you, bare in mind :) Serby

[@jml732]

Lusatia is the region (wich includes Germans), Sorbs are the native people of the region and Upper-/Lower Lusatian are the languages. Sorbians are a stateless national minority within the Federal Republic of Germany. In Brandenburg the term "Wends" is still used for the Lower Lusatian speaking population. Before nationalism, Sorbs were a collection of different tribes such as the Milčenjo or Lusatians, however were collectively known as "Wends" and later "Sorbs" - romantically based after the collective Duchy of the Sorbs under Samo's Empire. The mythological name of Serbia is of course based on a migrating tribe from "White Serbia" (Sorbs/Boiki), however this tribe never became autochthon, yet with Byzantine help managed to establish a sovereign Serbian polity in the Balkans within a sea of various Sclavonian tribes and maybe some Greek or Vlach speaking Romans. The only territories the Sorbs today rightfully claim are municipalities within Brandenburg and Saxony (within the districts of Cottbus, Spree-Neiße, Oberspreewald-Lausitz, southern Dahme-Spreewald, Bautzen and Görlitz).

[@SRBINPZS]

@@jml732 Well, I would definitely love to visit one day places you meantioned, we sometimes refer it as an old homeland, it would be emotional moment for sure. Plus I am also sure that many eastern Germans, Bavarians and Austrians have Slavic roots, even many Austrians(I am living in Austria) hvae Slavic or Slavic root in the last name. Now soeaking of Serbs(southern Serbs, Sorb in German tem, for Lustians and For us we call them Lustian Serbs, they call us Balkan or southen Serbs, we say Srbi, they Serby but we both use the same word for both). Now speaking of Serbs from the south, after migration to the Balkans we were were actually accepted by Byzantine and got our early states , simply nothern border had to be protected from Avars, so Slavs were good for the job. And since we are here over 1000 years , I guess we can call it our lands. Speaking of history, I don’t think it is as simple. Sea of Slavic tribes might make sense, but only two tribes mentioned by Byzantine are Serbs and Croats, now speaking of Serbs DAI by Constaninus Porfirogentit are main source, he defined this as a 1st Serbian states: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Serb_lands_in_the_10th_century_%28en%29.png He wrote that people living in these states are descendants of Serbs. For example, few quotes: “ The Serbs are descended from the unbaptized Serbs, also called 'white', who live beyond Turkey (meaning at that time Hungary) in a place called by them Boiki, where their neighbour is Francia” “ Serbs also originally dwelt. But when two brothers succeeded their father in the rule of Serbia, one of them, taking a moiety of the folk, claimed the protection of Heraclius, the emperor of the Romans, and the same emperor Heraclius received him and gave him a place in the province of Thessalonica to settle in, namely Servia”

[@SRBINPZS]

@@jml732 So according to history settlers to Zachumlia(Zahumlje), Travunija, Pagania(Nerentania) , Dioclea(Zeta in Slavic, 1st Setbian kingdom later, and Serbia(Bosnia and Rascia) are descendants of unbaptized Serbs that came from Boiki rulled by an unknown archont(ruler). Now speaking of origin, people mixed modern Serbs have verious genes in DNA pool, even Germanic, from Saxons, Goths, Normans etc But DNA is older then nations anyway, and huge chunck of modern Serbia is not an original Serb land, it was colonized later, but here religion mainly made ethnicity century ago, Croats in Dubrovnik as you can see are Serbs ;)

[@jml732]

@@SRBINPZS Historic texts shouldn't be taken 100% seriously as they are often over exaggerated by monarchs - especially when it comes to the movement of tribes. Genetics, linguistics and archaeology suggests that Sorbs didn't leave an autochthon present within Serbian society as the Balkans were already densely populated by balkanised slavs and there wasn't a major migration of Lusatians, just a minor chiefdom with probably less than 2000 people or so who managed to gain suzerainty through diplomacy - Sorbs should be seen as little more than a legend within Serbian history, but you should nonetheless feel welcome to visit Cottbus or Bautzen anytime soon.

[@SRBINPZS]

@@jml732 actually, by our dna autosomal, we seem 60% incomes from the north, 40% that were native, haplogrups are not objective, since they can change, they just reflects male line, we lost 1/3 of the male population in ww1, it can change % of haplogroups insanly, but also autosomal is tralala, all Europeans are bland of 3 ancient migrations to Europe, neolithic farmers, proto IndoEuropeans, and paleolitic settlers, only % is different. If you compare Swede to a Greek, they would have all 3 components in different %. Like I said , that is older then the groups in Europe. And actually in terms of DNA the most common among Serbs is I2a p809, they claim it is native to the Balkan, but it isn’t by new reasearches, they originate in the border of Belarus, Poland and Ukraine, and it came with a Slavic migration, branches among Serbs are 1500 years far from these among Czechs, so it corales that vi divaded as history said around 6th century. And Serbs/Sorbs original one, were probably Sarmatians that got assimilated, at least that is a theory about the name, Sorabi was some Sarmatian tribe.

[@santis448]

Can a german speaker understand sorbian?

[@stellakeinath6042]

Definetely not.but as a german You can hear some german borrowed words.you can also hear in this Video that they are speaking sorbian with a heavy german accent

[@mirko1466]

E, braćo moja napaćena... Srb, Sorb, Serb, sve je to isto, samo nas dijeli 1000 godina i 1000 km. P. S. Namjerno pisem na srpskom jeziku, mozda se neko potrudi da prevede na sorbski/serbski. :) Uzdravlje, braćo!

[@Mr-br1wm]

Kakva braca,nemaju oni nista sa vama, jezik je vise slican poljskom j českom nego srpskom

[@mirko1466]

@@Mr-br1wm Imaju ime i malo šta još, a draži su mi oni nego ovi bivši Srbi, što imaju sve isto što i mi, a samo ime i vjeru promijenili. Nesrbi i nevjere...

[@Shandina1]

I Česi potiču od Srba,

[@stanislev]

To Niemcy ich nazywaja Sorbami lub Lusatianami. Oni to sa Luzyczanie! Nie maja nic wspolnego z narodem Serbskim poza tym , ze to Slowianie. Jezyk Luzyc Poludniowych (South) jest bardziej zblizony do Czeskiego - natomiast Luzyc Polnocnych (North) , jest bardziej zblizony do jezyka polskiego. Oba te jezyki naleza do grupy Slowian Zachodnich, razem z jezykami: polskim, kaszubskim, czeskim i slowackim.

[@mirko1466]

@@stanislev koliko znam oni sebe zovu Srbi, a njihova zemlja je Lužica. Nema to veze sa tim kako ih zovu Njemci i da li im je jezik blizak sa našim srpskim jezikom sa Balkana. Bitan je korijen (Srb), a ne ono što je na grani! Na grani nekad bude i truo plod, a ti sad razmisli ko bi to mogao da bude! Pozdrav za sve Srbe i za sve Slovene vjerne svom rodu!

[@sidneycoad6261]

Wat different of sorbian, serbian

[@jml732]

Sorbian is a recent thing, what we now as "Sorbs" is a collection of numerous tribes named after the "Sorb/White Serbs" wich came after the Duchy of the Sorbs under Samo's Empire, however today's Lower- and Upper Sorbian speaking population where known after the respective tribes of the Lusatians and Milčenjo up until the Mid 19the century. Through the era of nationalism with the attempt of creating a Sorbian National Identity, "Sorbian" as the new ethnogenesis was born. Lusatia is the region (wich includes Germans), Sorbs are the native people of the region and Upper-/Lower Lusatian are the languages.

[@allasdrinski926]

Until the creation of Yugoslavia, Serbia was called Serbia or KINGDOM OF THE SERBS. We spoke the Serbian language, had the Serbian Grammar. The most famous Lusatian Serb in Serbia was the general of the 3rd Army, Paulus ŠTURM/PAVLE JURIŠIĆ.

[@akibg0118]

Realno Srbija do Drezdena 🤣🤣🤣

[@misacraft3714]

It sounds like Polish with strong German accent…..

[@user-tj7nb9fu9t]

Serbian

[@linda28404]

My daughter talked like this when she was newborn 😂😂

[@misternebojsa]

Ima li kakve veze srbi i sorbi? Ja iskreno nemam pojma

[@Akcija1930]

Наравно! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4HEf52gYpuCrtU

[@zlatni_orao]

Kakvo je to pitanje? Jesi lud?

[@user-ik8hr5ny5b]

@D D donekle al ne vodimo se tom logikom, oni poticu od nas srba i to je bitno i nasi su sve slavik zemlje treba da se ujedine i da napravimo jednu naciju ne da delimo nas narod na poljake, srbe, sorbe, ruse itd.. glupo je kako smo krenuli poubijacemo se a amerikancima i ostalima vece miline nema

[@lanzarca9849]

Ne

[@gandrazmaj8137]

Sorbima su ih svabe nazvale inace se zovu Serbi!! Ime slaven (scklaven ) je nastalo tek u 6 veku!!!! Safarik kaze da su svi slovenski narodi se zvali Srbima!

[@TheRojo387]

So Sorbs are a West Baltic minority?

[@StubMyToe]

germany isn't baltic .-.

[@Spinnradler]

West Slavic minority. Along with Kashubians

[@TheRojo387]

@@Spinnradler I might be part Sorb myself.

[@Spinnradler]

@@TheRojo387 Cool :-) Learn one of the two languages :-)

[@user-zb5vq9gj6s]

@@TheRojo387Sorbs are west slavic

[@Akcija1930]

All Serbs from Austria and Germany should move to Lusatia and areas around it to give support to their brothers Sorbs, and seek for autonomy and closer ties with their Motherland Serbia!🇷🇸

[@Spinnradler]

Ну, давай, давай! Die Lausitz braucht Leute, gerade solche, die Sorbisch sprechen. ;-)

[@Akcija1930]

@@Spinnradler Ja, es ist so traurig..

[@Spinnradler]

@@Akcija1930 Powědašo hyśči Serbski?

[@Akcija1930]

@@Spinnradler Where are you from?

[@Spinnradler]

@@Akcija1930 Born in Berlin.

[@stole1389]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqGTh4eQhduJnqc - Berühmte Serben

[@juliannyca1815]

This video is about Sorbs...

[@stole1389]

@@juliannyca1815 that is the same folk

[@juliannyca1815]

@@stole1389 Nope. Different language, different religion and culture, different history. And we don't see ourselves as part of the same people.

[@stole1389]

@@juliannyca1815 Language is to similar. If i read, i understand 50%. Name is the same, how i know, you are "serb", not sorb or "zorb". Serbian people on the balkan have in 4 religion. Okay, you feel like total another folk. I believe in that in today Germany, have more differently from "Schwaben", "Saxons", "Bayerischen" then between us (south and nord serbs). Germans make from more different folk, make one folk. We slavs (serbs) make from to much similar folks, we make 100 folks....

[@juliannyca1815]

@@stole1389 Well, it's a Slavic language after all. If a German reads Dutch, he also get's 50 %. Still, it's neither the same language nor the same people.

[@nemanjapalalic2207]

Sorbi sa nama srbima nema ništa Mi nemamo ni isti jezik ni kulturu Jedno sto imamo zajedno su boje zastave i slova s,r,b,i,a

[@miloradnovakovic7981]

Mi smo potekli od njih, Srbi su se na Balkan i doselili iz Lužnice

[@zumbulkanjuska4031]

Nemas bas neku informaciju i puno grijesis ..

[@zumbulkanjuska4031]

@@miloradnovakovic7981 jos jedan pametnjakovic ..mozda se tvoja stara doselila a mi ne ..

[@miloradnovakovic7981]

@@zumbulkanjuska4031au još jedan "autohtonista", znači pričanje u prazno

[@zumbulkanjuska4031]

@@miloradnovakovic7981 ..nije pricanje u prazno probaj da citas na sorbisch ..podsjecaju me na SlovackI i Slovenski kad pricaju ..naravno da se veza prekinula ali imamo puno dodirnih tacaka ..