VKB Rudder Pedals First Impressions

Here are some basic bits of info and first impressions of my new VKB Rudder Pedals!
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[@DreamList]

4:20 they actually do simulate the movement of real rudder pedals. Not of planes but of helicopters like the Huey.

[@Cesko_Plny_Fialovejch_Zmrdu]

No. Huey too doesnt have up-down movement like these pedals do

[@bird.9346]

@@Cesko_Plny_Fialovejch_Zmrdu Gliders do have pedals like that.

[@Cesko_Plny_Fialovejch_Zmrdu]

@@bird.9346 Nobody was talking about gliders

[@bird.9346]

@@Cesko_Plny_Fialovejch_Zmrdu Nobody was talking about helicopters before the original commenter started talking about it :shrug:

[@Sokol10]

Good review. Could be pointed that VKB T-Link software allow emulate "differential brakes" for any plane, in any sim: In T-Link set a button in stick or throttle for brake both wheels, move rudder for brake right or left wheel only - like RL Spitfire/MiG-15/21 brakes. An welcome compromise solution for the price/quality of this rudder.

[@xsoniczek]

Some small planes actually have a rudder pedals working like this. I know about that kind of pedals on Polish motorgliders: J5 Marco and J6 Fregata (both also had a sidestick! ) :D

[@Jarvis_aka_UgunnH8This]

Very well done review on these pedals. I've had these for almost a year now and they feel just like they did on day one. In DCS I use a shift key and button on my stick for toe breaks. And like you said it's not a big deal whatsoever and save's you $100 compared to it's closest competitor. One of the best purchases I've ever made. Ugunnah8this

[@glennledrew8347]

Good review! Concise, crisp, gets to the meat. I like this kind of rudder bar movement. Here are the advantages: - Precision. The combination of planted heels and the paddling action of the feet permits very controlled input. Scissoring or pushing the entire lower legs comes nowhere close. - Stays put. Planted feet and vertical action does not shove the unit across the floor. Back in '94 I built a rudder I'm still using today; you could probably drive a small car over it. It's based around a 3/4" steel shaft in a ball bearing arbor (like you can find connected via pully to a 1/4 HP motor on a workbench.) The foot bar is 3/4" plywood with widely spaced cutouts for the feet. To reduce the rotational angle, a zero-backlash 3:1 gear turns the 60 degree potentiometer with a +-10 degree input. Two stout springs provide nice resistance and astoundingly repeatable centering. Feet remain planted, and high precision inputs make it so nice to use. The USB interface is taken from a more recently purchased CH Products rudder I tried and hated, then took apart for the useful bits. ;) This then works well with my CH stick and throttle. The former toe brake component was converted into a trim box attached to the throttle. In this respect am I in agreement with you; one can live without toe brakes on the rudder! Cheers! Glenn (aka WxTech, Il-2 1946 modder, as well as DIY tinkerer)

[@pspicer777]

A little late to the party here. Excellent reviews and content. Unbiased, clear, accurate reviews of sim hardware. One request ... more. Thanks for the great videos!!

[@kraziivan_]

"I'm a certified flight instructor" "YOU DON'T NEED BRAKES CHIEF" I'm buying these based on this review.

[@slyderace]

Same! One of my flight instructors on DCS has these and recommended them to me. I'll be getting them too :)

[@kraziivan_]

@@slyderace They are great so far. There is a software brake mode, but I'm too stupid to figure out how to get it working. I just use the button on my joystick. Only game where I have a minor issue is the new MSFS, but it's very minor. Set them to have the firmer mode, they are great.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

It's hard to agree to that statement, but I'd say it heavily depends on what you're going to fly. Good luck taxiing and keeping a warbird in DCS straight without toe brakes, unless you're sitting in a model that has the lever on the stick with differential brakes (like the Spit). Having the granular input range of toebrakes there makes the difference. Same in Il-2 GB series. Someone who's savvy enough can try creating virtual input devices with remaps (like stick left/right in combination with a certain button) to actuate the toe brakes within the sim. One plus point goes to these pedals though: by the looks of it, you'll have your heels resting almost as low as if there were just on the floor, that certainly is more comfortable than putting them noticably higher on other pedals. From my own experience, flying with the Crosswinds literally is a pain in the a** after a while, but I guess that also comes from the chair I'm in which could be better XD

[@Vildjur]

Best review of the review! I am not a pilot, I was already thinking of using the pinky lever-thing to break, the system seems to be also very good, as I am using an office chair, and can already see myself spinning in my chair while trying to spin my bird if I were to use standard mechanism :D

[@johnnytrongaming]

Roll tide!

[@evansnyder8461]

I flew an older PA-28 which the handbrake was the only brake. Taught me the skill of using power and rudders to taxi without relying on brakes. Helped transitioning to a tail dragger easier in my opinion.

[@ThrakazogZ]

Pedals look no-nonsense and sturdy. Nice.

[@sly_panther1136]

if you are worried about toe breaks you can jsut use another lever or osmething on your joystick to properly brake, but you just set individual brakes as same as your rudder and y ou can taxi fine

[@Snowy57]

Excellent review, thank you. Just what I need for DCS. Agree there is no need for toe brakes, certainly for my modules. I like the footprint.

[@DCol]

You are quite right about the build quality of the pedals. I made the mistake of built the Logitech pedals and the plastics inside snapped after only 3 weeks of use. Just gonna get my money back and get this instead.

[@arcadealchemist]

the box exists so only one cable goes to the peddle and also the cables are easily reaplce if damaged the box takes one of the wear and tear limitations away from the main unit as replacing the box is cheaper than replacing the pedals IF you need to ask for warrenty info and or replacement parts. one would also assume 3rd party can utilize this box for other products

[@mebessusn]

Tbh, buying these soon, especially after your review

[@bb10880]

I do like the looks of these pedals over the MFG crosswind. Something about how basic and clean they look.

[@bb10880]

Yo, I'm back. What about a full setup tour video. I know you got that Virpil gear too! I'd like to see it all in one place, in action

[@gnomisa]

I owned CH, simpeds and VKB MK4 pedals. MFGs are by far the best one I had and super customizable. And I dont agree with you on the looks. Black version of MFG looks cool. Alos, I couldnt get used to up and down motion on VKBs and there is no brakes on VKBs. Toe brakes are must for WW2 flight sims btw. VKBs are ok for helis though.

[@Jarvis_aka_UgunnH8This]

@@gnomisa lol, I think I was the exact opposite of you. I started with the ch pro pedals and when I was ready to upgrade I was lucky enough to have a buddy of mine who had bought both the crosswinds and Vkb's so we switched back and forth for two weeks. All said and done he is a Helo pilot IRL and DCS. I love the fast movers but we both had chosen the Vkb's. My reasoning was that I loved the up and down action and they didnt slide across my floor when in use. And I use a button for toe brakes and that works great for F-18's to my p-51D. With all that said the crosswinds are undoubtedly a peice of art in themselves. I just choose to put that extra $100+ elsewhere in my rig. :)

[@diverspudph1310]

Thank for this, specially that super helpful comment on toe brakes!

[@TheKommercial]

I just got a set, they are amazing! FYI the "black box" is now actually all black, plastic, has a little wire guide bracket that screws to the bottom of it and has power lights and a SYS button on it. Not sure what the SYS button does, not mentioned in the included set of instructions.

[@Madakish1968]

Great review Snake! Keep em coming!

[@BobSmith-sc6dq]

Thanks for the review. I nearly bought a pair of these... but no toe brakes! 😬😬 I'm not using DCS, I use PMDG and 100000000% you need toe brakes. Can't imagine trying to taxi in and out of the likes of KORD in an airliner with no toe brakes.

[@mrmisterno1]

Exactly. It's pretty wild to say that you don't need toe brakes, they are almost half of the purpose of rudder pedals.

[@DylanCunliffeMusic]

Just found your channel earlier today and I am very impressed with your concise, straight to the point language and style. I really appreciated the depth to which you to reviewed the VKB MCG Pro grip and Gunfighter base. They've proven to be particularly difficult to find solid reviews on, so thanks for that. As for the pedals, I think you sold me on these haha. I had the entry level Thrustmaster pedals a while back, and ended up returning them for a full refund. Not only did they feel like a cheap toy (not that I expected much different for what I paid), but the rotational (pendulum?) action disagreed with my instincts. The hinge action on these VKB pedals are exactly what I was hoping to find, and with this kind of build quality at that price point? How could I say no? Thanks again! I look forward to watching more of your videos.

[@joshuaclark3848]

I have these pedals, They are my favourite by a long shot, simple and sensitive. Though I removed the round tube you press down on and went to a fab shop and got some longer ali ones made about at exactly 200% the size of the original size, I highly recommend doing this or even VKB adding this as an option. looks funny but its still very sturdy and unless you are stomping on these you will have no issues. I fly in star citizen with this flying HOSAS and throttle and flight pedals

[@joshuaclark3848]

Something I forgot to mention is that I Hang these pedals bolted to the back of my desk upside down and just invert the left and right so right is left and left is right etc, but it makes these pedals feel awesome, it kind of makes them feel like a half pendulum, probably not for most but i find it really enjoyable, that with the extended pegs I have make this really enjoyable, my pegs are thicker just by a little and I enjoy that also

[@MrLeoLian]

Great review! Your vkb review series is awesome! The crocs tho...

[@No1sonuk]

I gather the separate black box is so you can connect the pedals and stick through one interface/USB port.

[@djackman1968]

Just ordered a set. Was a toss up between these and crosswind but I have a VKB stick so, staying with the product I know to be good.

[@donaldpeterson9521]

Thank for saving me $$$. Great review!! Clear, concise and great information!!

[@Austinabletontutoronline]

Thank you for the review. I just broke my T3PA Pro racing pedals which I use for fwd/rev thrust in Star Citizen. I'm shopping for a replacement.

[@jjay718]

I didnt really consider these before but the price is right and I dont really need the toe brakes. Plus they look to be built well.

[@Hairyloft]

Great vid, I'm sold again. These look real quality at a fair price. Hopefully VKB, Virpil and other s will start sending you kit to review, though it might break me!

[@Hairyloft]

Any chance of a future vid covering how you map your controls rudder, throttle etc. to SC or flight sims etc?

[@peregrinussolutionsllc6010]

Just discovered your channel, liked, and subscribed based on this great video! We're purchasing an aircraft for flight training and looking for equipment to pair with the virtual flying world. These Rudder Pedals are on the way thanks to your review. Looking forward to checking out your other content! :-)

[@peregrinussolutionsllc6010]

@@jessecalder Thank you, glad to be here! :-)

[@seotenin]

So hey Snake Eater, you play Star Citizen also, what do you recommend? Rudder or no rudder,... Dual sticks or HOTAS? Thanks

[@seotenin]

In 3.4 I was using dual sticks from a video Buzzkill did, in 3.5 didn’t play much, work and stuff, in 3.6 been trying out the HOTAS, but can see where rudders would help there,... on the fence on which I like better,.... getting me the GT Ultimate flight cockpit in the mail tomorrow, going to see which feels the best with it and probably go from there,.... then I want to add a Buttkicker and the motion platform on it,.... eventually I am hoping it will be an amazing experience with VR

[@vi683a]

@@jessecalder Have to agree... New Flight Physics reduce the necessity for a 2nd schtick!

[@sasquatchycowboy5585]

These seem like they would be awesome for helicopters in DCS. I have the TPR pedals. But they aren't the greatest with the coppers. I have to kinda set me foot where I need it then make small adjustments with the ball of my foot. Point is this looks like it would be better for the choppers because it uses the ball of the foot anyway.

[@zemstafreda]

Yeah, but try to taxi Ju 87 or Bf 109 without individual brake on each wheel.

[@predattak]

If you fly dcs you can use a modifier on your hotas together with the pedals ex:modifier+rudder pedal left = left wheel brake and so on. It works perfectly.

[@CarlosOliveira-no1yn]

Very Good Review. I'm also buying these based on this review. :)

[@bdog7262]

Hey brother, I bought the vkb rudder pedals based off your video. I can’t get them to work…. DCS won’t even recognize them. Any ideas, please

[@evemaniac]

nice pieces.. i got the old all out plastic Saitec ones, saw the newer ones with metal and passed the old ones down to my younger brother. This ones and the new Thrustmasters to my bad the new ones i will need to get my hands on.. I know my wife will kill me but life is to short to get along with common sense. One last thing ..i want you to watch out for is Gameglass.

[@ericandi]

Yea I don’t like how VKB products all have that external box.

[@andrea7693]

Nice review indeed, on the durability side I'm unsure why the central part (which houses the mechanics and electronics) is open at both ends.. sitting on the floor will collect tons of dust and will wear it quickly if not cleaned often

[@Skidjit]

Good review. I have the entry level TM pedals and they are fine for fixed wing but I got heavy into the DCS heli fleet. These look like a good solution.

[@charlie7mason]

Did you end up getting these? From what I understand, these emulate some heli rudder controls, which is why SE here didn't think they felt like plane rudders.

[@Skidjit]

@@charlie7mason Nope not yet, but it is still on the wishlist.

[@ChickentNug]

@@Skidjit how about now?

[@Sugarsail1]

These pedals look a lot like what many real gliders and motor gliders have since they usually have breaks on the stick.

[@wrkgstiff7147]

Just getting into flight simulators and I very much appreciate your input. Never flown, so I have no idea what makes a good controller. Glad to hear you are an instructor and have some context to your comments. I got the VKB Gladiator NXT. Really nice stick. I'm waiting for my Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle. I've read this is a great setup for a noob. In your opinion, will the flaps on the TWCS suffice for the rudder? I have no idea how to fly, so I'm not sure the controller mapping I'll need. I have X-Plane 11 and DCS so I can assume the mapping will be different by game. There are a fair amount of controls in a plane so, I'm thinking it'll be my preference for what controls I'll need, but I'd appreciate your feedback. Thanks!

[@billpii6314]

The "black box" is even the color of a real black Box, yeah they aren't black they are actually orange.

[@davejackson3485]

Great vids man!

[@daniel710624]

Will...but I need brakes on the carrier😁

[@billwiley7216]

I am interested in these pedals, returning to flight sims/games and have never previously used a set of pedals before only a twist action on a stick for rudder control. I like the build quality and overall size of these plus I will be using these in a combination racing/flying rig set up and the up/down pivot motion requiring less space for full operation or travel again for my use seems perfect. I am going to be using a Gladiator NXT flight stick and a TM TWCS throttle with a 3rd party plate/ bearing upgrade to increase the throttles smoothness. My question can't I just use the throttle front rocker switch (which some people use for rudder control) as the toe brake? Or can you assign the throttle twist function to be the brakes if you are using the pedals for the rudder control? I will probably be playing and spending quite a bit of time flying WW2 taildraggers. For the money this really looks like a great kit and offers the quality/ value for the dollar in the range I do not mind venturing into but I do need a decent way to do the brakes as well. Realism is one thing but variances to accommodate playing a game from real life if overall the experience does not greatly suffer is fine by me. Buying a decent performing and good build quality that should offer decent longevity at what I consider a good price point for what is offered by the product also is very important.

[@gazgazgaz2]

Thanks for the great review. I got one today and... they have changed the black box as shitty plastic stuff. otherwise, all pretty good :)

[@freightdawg6762]

Excellent

[@petertaylor9371]

Went to buy this and was shocked to find out that it would be 71 smack-a-roos for shipping. yikes!

[@yyorophff786]

no toe brakes though

[@FuzzMD]

You're wearing crocs, I can't watch this channel anymore! :O ;P

[@FuzzMD]

But in all seriousness, was gonna pair these with a VKB Stick (just the Gladiator for now) any suggestions on a solid Throttle to finish out the setup?

[@LiquidSnakeGaming]

Do these work out of the box for Star Citizen?

[@jessecalder]

Sure do.

[@ArifKhan.]

why can't all product review on the interwebz be like this??

[@regwatson2017]

Bugger the toebrakes. These pedals are for helicopter sims not Cessna flyboys !

[@mytubehkjt]

Many aircraft do need toe brakes and the action of the pedals is all wrong.

[@siberiasib167]

Yeah, Russians can make great stuff with low price.

[@torgitorgi4617]

please add the movie credits in Russian and you will immediately get a lot of subscribers from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus

[@skyworld86]

Agree, very good chanel it is

[@Panzerlang]

No brakes, so these are chopper kit, absolutely useless for planes.

[@jessecalder]

Planes fly in the air ;)

[@Panzerlang]

@@jessecalder Yeah, but they land on the ground (if wheeled) and need brakes. WW1 is fine with big frikkin' fields, elsewhere not so much.

[@jessecalder]

If you’re a die hard for immersion I suppose. But in reality using the brake key binds on a keyboard, or even binding them to your stick, got the job done just fine in any fight sim I’ve ever flown. If price is a factor for someone and these pedals are within reach then they shouldn’t let the lack of brakes stop them.

[@Panzerlang]

@@jessecalder There's the immersion factor for sure but using keyboard keys (on/off function) was a shit way to brake in any non-arcade sim. Now there's VR and that keyboard shit even more ain't flying. Lol.

[@jessecalder]

@@Panzerlang Again it comes down to priorities. If someone is looking to make the most of their money, the value proposition is terrific considering the thing you have to compromise on with these pedals is brake fidelity during phases of ground operations that comprise a tiny tiny percentage of your game experience and none of your flying experience. I get it, you consider ground operations to be a very important part of your sim experience. The point is that these pedals are far from "absolutely useless for planes" and that is where I'll leave it.

[@bob761]

Voice deepening much hahaha

[@1araabs]

biggest shit ever, without toe brakes

[@neuzdost1939]

3:23 YEAH NO FUCKING SHIT....Whats even your point?

[@Rivers256]

This is that kind of review that needs to be made for every flight accessory that is relatively affordable. Thanks man. Great stuff.

[@nick-dm3if]

those are more like helicopter rudder pedals but thats ok im a heli pilot

[@DCSBS]

Oh my god CROCS!!!!! CROCS!!!!

[@PMad99]

Blackboxes are made out of plastic now, in case anyone watching this was wondering. Nothing wrong with that though!

[@MozTS]

Toe brakes are mandatory for taildraggers. You’ll never get a ww2 warbird to the runway let alone take off without toe brakes

[@frederic2166]

@@jessecalder That answer make me seriously doubt about your flight instructor claim and or you link with the company producing those pedals

[@chrisl6989]

Umm, I do it all the time in DCS and il2. I just set up toe breaks on my hotas and it works fine.

[@MitjaBonca]

@@frederic2166 he was paid to say that :) so no worries.

[@Galf506]

Sorry, but toe brakes are super useful! You need them to maneuver in tiny carrier decks, you need them to steer your plane tighter in general, I've been using them A TON in Microsoft Flight Simulator, having toe brakes to turn in a nice tight circle on that bush strip surrounded by trees is vital. You can "fake" them with another control, but what's the point?

[@jmbstudio6873]

No toe brakes? I went with the Thrustmaster TPR.

[@mururoa7024]

These are my 4th rudder pedal set and the best yet. Well, I have the MFG Crosswind as well, and they're high quality, but because they set your feet much higher they can sometimes be uncomfortable depending on your height and seating position. I find the VKB to be more practical overall. The "normal" strength setting is a bit weak though if you're used to other pedals and you might want to change it to "high" right of the bat.

[@JoshuaParkTheFirst]

I very often crank my desk to standing position to play because I hate sitting on my butt all day for work and then for play too, which unfortunately disqualifies me from pedals for the most part. I did try it out with the Thrustmaster pedals, but unfortunately I don't like having to change my control style every time I sit or stand. HOWEVER... if I ever create a full cockpit sim station in the future that is optimized for sitting only while playing (possible when I go full immersion + VR)... I will certainly buy these since I did not like the toe brakes on the Thrustmasters. (returned them already after a week of trying) Once again stellar review. I'm a fan of your down to earth style. You remind me of myself... haha! (though I am not an accomplished serviceman, and I haven't published any of my own reviews yet)

[@tomy10002]

Great quick video about this very interesting rudder thanks :) About the toe brakes, im just a normal flight sim pilot in DCS world. For some aircraft, mostly modern jets, it won't be a matter for taxiing, just a mater of imertion and precision. But for mostly warbirds, not having left/right toe brakes will be a real problem as taxiing is done almost 100% with left/right brakes, also the aligmnement on the runway, and landing.

[@l0rdcroissant]

interesting... sadly they aren't any where to buy them

[@zeroomicron4821]

as far as shoes go i will mostly use these pedals in my bare feet. I find that it actually works better for me. I can grab the pedals with my toes....but I have big feet and long toes lol. The pedals get cold on my feet.....reminds me that these are all metal. Anyone on the fence on getting these or some slightly cheaper sets, like some of the Logitech pedals. Spend the little extra money and get these you'll be happy in the long run. I love these pedals.

[@madigorfkgoogle9349]

"you dont need toe brakes", now good luck with taxi a German war-bird with this attitude. ;-)

[@flutter8712]

It depends on what kind of flight you wanna do. I like doing some smooth sortie with no objectives at all and toe brakes are necessary to do soft stop at landings (i'm talking about warbirds)

[@billpii6314]

One correction, These are not an investment. They are a cost and will drop in value the minute you open the box.

[@TheLukemcdaniel]

Look, I get what you're saying, but these peripherals aren't exclusive to pure realism. When it comes to space sims(Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen, and the like), every control axis/button/switch counts. Several of the rudder pedals with toe breaks are cheaper than this, with 3x the control axis options. Granted, those are the plastic options(such as the t16000 rudder pedals), but most buying components like this aren't children that will be jumping up and down on it. Plastic is fine, as long as it works and helps if it cuts the cost down.

[@jessecalder]

I think you're underestimating the strength of your legs and overestimating the fine motor control we have over them, particularly when in a heated activity like combat or landing on a carrier etc. Sensor quality, and durability are not realism traits they directly impact your gameplay and the value of your peripheral (how long you can use it before requiring repair/replacement per the cost). Just being plastic is not what makes it less durable, necessarily, it is the overall build quality of the device. It is certainly ideal to have a 3-axis pedal but if you are trying to decide which axis to prioritize buying, I would place the 'toe brake' axis at the bottom well behind flight sticks (x+y), twists (z), and throttles (plus all the axis you get from sticks and throttles that have thumb sticks included. But if you are that person that can get precision and longevity out of the less expensive pedals then you are fortunate, and I encourage you to keep using them!

[@RichardCrabbe403]

Great review!! Thanks!! Keep the videos coming!

[@Cooper_013]

i mean, i'd like to be able to stop when i land.... so yeah.... they should have toe brakes......

[@jessecalder]

Not heel brake requirement? Or a hand brake on your stick? We’re talkin video games here so the obvious answer is tape an xbox controller to each pedal so you can get to the brake button. If your computer came with a keyboard you could also use the button bound for brakes in the game you fly.

[@bigbrow7192]

Another great informative video. Ty loved it man.

[@wm973]

Nice vid. Yep. These are the ones I want. Can you only get these through China? VKB US is a distributor and gets them directly from China. I've ordered from China and I didn't get... 1. Receipt of payment. 2. Order status. 3. Shipping info. I'm not in a hurry but I like to track my orders. Anyone order them lately? Thanks

[@Krycius]

Just came across your vid looking for the VKB rudder reviews. Great info and id say it more than solidified my decision to get the VKB's

[@gasser5001]

Good review, as usual. I don't know how you don't have more subs. You should just do random reviews of stuff... something more broad. You've got the voice. Not saying you're a bad looking dude... just saying... people will come for the thumbnail and stay for the voice. Also, if you download the software, you can add in a braking feature. Not sure HOW it works, but there is a way to add braking to them thru software.

[@Delta2Oscar]

Yeah those are antitorque pedals. Slowing down the aircraft is kind of important.

[@cinnamontoast9999]

Saved me some money with this find, almost spent a lot more just for toe brakes, thanks!

[@SternLX]

These pedals make way more sense in Star Citizen with it's 6DOF flight model. Much like Heli rudder pedals.

[@wastelandwanderer3883]

And the black box is orange... Just like the real thing!

[@Butzitube]

I just recently bought the thrustmaster TFRP rudders... And as a Star citizen Player i must say: i love to have toe breaks on them!... It just feels more natural to move a ground vehicle with "gas pedals" and when jumping into a ship switch to a different kind of axis on the fly without switching the hardware. Awesome! But for DCS i only use the normal axis..

[@theforgedone]

Whatever happened to snake eater?

[@jessecalder]

There are rumors and speculation but no one really knows.

[@thomasyantorno1734]

Hello, Yes VKB a great company, have two of their joysticks. Question: you talk about toe brakes, would this be an issue say with WW2 aircraft where you absolutely need braking right and left when taxiing? Thanks!

[@sly_panther1136]

i fyoure still wondering its a no just set the left and rigfht brakes to same as rudder control and youre away

[@fubarace1027]

So these vs the Crosswinds, the only difference is the toe brake? Oh, just a thought, one other thing you could have included in your review is their functional width. I'm researching pedals at the moment as I'll be buying a set after I get TrackIR, and I see some people concerned with width, and the pedals not feeling too narrow as some do. I'm a bigger guy, 6'1" (or 1.85m), with big feet (Size 13), I'm thinking this concern for width may apply to me. I know MFD offers a spacer to allow you a few more inches of width in their pedals. Do these look like I could make my own if I feel the need? Thanks for the review, I was very curious about these, as you said, they are the lowest priced of the premium gear. In my mind the Viper and the Thrustmaster are too much money for too little effect, regardless of their superior fidelity. Pedals add too little to your gaming experience to spend several hundred more dollars for a brand that is simply more accurate to the model it's emulating. I'd rather spend that extra money in a stick or throttle. So the question in my mind are these vs the Crosswinds.

[@fubarace1027]

@@jessecalder First thanks for the reply. Are your feet a good width apart? I think that's the common complaint with some of the cheaper solutions (besides the plastic as you mentioned)

[@fubarace1027]

Lol, reviewing this question, I see it was a dumb one, sorry for not reading well. I'll use the excuse it was late where I am. Thanks again for the data!

[@florianbecke3076]

Awesome review, thx! :)