Snapdragon X Elite Hands On: Gaming, Benchmarks, and Windows on ARM

TEAM SGG PATREON / somegadgetguy We're getting a little sneak peak at Qualcomm's new PC chip! The Snapdragon X Elite looks ready to usher in a new era for portable Windows computing. Before all the laptop manufacturers start releasing new systems based on this chip, Qualcomm hosted a small reviewer meet up to get some hands on time and see some tests in action!
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[@BrianGlaze]

This is definitely exciting. Happy to see mor progress with ARM.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Took a long time LOL

[@bazanime]

​@@SomeGadgetGuy Ain't a simple job to make a platform that runs well on a wide variety of of hardware. Its a good time.

[@jamzqool]

​@@SomeGadgetGuytrue

[@markfinlay422]

My next laptop will be an X Elite machine. I can't wait for the improved battery life.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I still love my XC8 machine. This is gonna be another tier above.

[@farrukhjamil]

When it's released for customers

[@BradleyLarcher]

Windows on Arm. Looking forward to see where this train takes us

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

We're getting ready!

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

You can expect about the same like Android (it's more demanding like iOS, 8 cores sip more power like 6 cores, 12GB RAM also require more power to maintain like 6GB etc..), so to reach the same battery life they need a bigger battery (just because they already need 12 power core to compete the 8 power cores, im not talking about basic M2 or M3 with just 4 power cores, im talking about M2 Pro for example, they didn't even showed a comparison against the M2 Max which still only has 10 power cores, still less like the 12 power cores in X Elite, and the 4 efficiency cores in any M chip are not equal with even just 1 power core in performance.. so it's already more demanding. Also the diff between 23W and 80W power consumption is not looks good.. you only gain 10% extra performance for 250% more power consumption?

[@X_SOL]

Doesn’t windows on arm exist already? I have galaxy go book Qualcomm arm chip with windows.

[@chriss2295]

You can thank the Apple M1 for pushing Qualcomm to get into this space.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I was preaching ARM for consumer laptops for years before Apple made their play. I felt vindicated 😁

[@Lord_LindaThePhilosopher]

​​@@SomeGadgetGuyit wasn't really possible years before apple did it. Arm just wasnt their yet it needed to be until like 2 years before apple dropped theirs

[@godsmackssa]

You can thank apple m1 for selling laptops uncapable of running legacy x86 apps. Which means, you are going to have a machine that runs approximately 5% of apps available on the market. Exellent!

[@gooxh]

M1 is useless. I used a mobile phone and some creative wiring to make a desktop (ugly as sin) Chromebook way before apple made an m1. Other folks made stuff that made my little "mobile chip desktop" look ugly and feel slow. It was done by many people before apple. Just didn't go mainstream.

[@gooxh]

​@@godsmackssaI bought into the bs! Lol I couldn't do a lot of the things I used to. Felt very restricted

[@sslaia]

Thank you for your "few more questions than answers". I like it that you try to avoid falling victim of the hype and present it as a promise we are excited to wait. To be honest I watch less and less tech review lately because of the overhyping (think of the AI revolution etc.).

[@techinamul]

Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Thanks for that. I know some folks get real picky about someone accepting travel or hotel, but genuinely I try not to jump on a trip if I don't feel I can say what I want.

[@GroundedTech]

Exciting stuff. I need a Snapdragon X Elite laptop this year.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I need one YESTERDAY!

[@Proudarse]

No you don't, use what you have and buy one in a few years once XE3 is out, dawg. Chill

[@CaptainUltimaFTW]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Linux performs on these systems when they hit the market.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Once I can set my R&K aside as a demo machine (not something im actively using) I really want to see if I can get Ubuntu running directly. The best performance for ARM apps right now (imo) is running Linux apps through WSL.

[@1DwtEaUn]

Given some of the other systems might take a while for the dev tree/BSP to come out for Linux :(

[@seeibe]

Yeah I'm a dev who does all their work using VSC Remote, so Linux on an ARM device would be perfect for me. I'm just waiting for the price of these devices to become competitive with x86 devices. Competing with Apple prices is not really impressive.

[@seeibe]

@@PSYCHOV3N0M If they can't deliver the same price to performance as x86 there's honestly no point. I'll just get x86.

[@Dia1Up]

I really like they talk total system power performance per watt, and they showed gaming. Remember that's running an emulator (presumably) not just a translation layer like the Deck/Linux does

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Just like how exciting it is to see more and more steam deck verified games, I think ARM could be another boon for gaming. I really want to see an X Elite in a Valve Index replacement.

[@benjaminwachman7879]

It looks like Qualcomm will probably be able to deliver a decent experience for Windows ultra thin and light laptops. For a laptop I'd take with me on a trip, all I want is all-day battery life with pretty decent performance. The biggest barrier is just that so few apps are compiled for ARM natively and rely on x86 emulation (which is slow). For native apps, the perf/W is really good. It kinda blows me away that in Cinebench they have a Qualcomm laptop where the WHOLE SYSTEM is only pulling 24W handily outperforming an Intel system where the CPU by itself has a 28W TDP. Sure, Meteor Lake doesn't have the best perf/W in the x86 space, but it's not leaps and bounds off.

[@hugevibez]

I think Windows x86 and x64 emulation is sometimes able to outperform Rosetta2, it's just the chips available in these Windows on Arm laptops were always just not good enough. Details on the exact microarchitecture are sparse atm, but from what I can tell the Oryon cpu core is made by the Nuvia team so I have high hopes. Emulation is inherently slower/less efficient but it doesn't have to be a bad solution if you optimize it well enough (and aren't trying to run Windows on a mobile-optimized processor)

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

That's what's got me really anxious. I want to see OEMs get smart with this platform, and support it with good options. When the legacy software conversation is always going to be tough, getting folks to recompile for arm and support it, the Linux side is kind of ridiculous. Using the older 8CX chip, it's like a mediocre Pentium when you're emulating older programs. It's a little screamer tho when you fire up ubuntu INSIDE windows 11. Completely different experience. Now giving this a bit.more horsepower at a similar power draw is only going to improve the issues we've had with emulation.

[@strawbaria]

I'm relatively optimistic about the chip - as long as the chip performs better than Intel/AMD then it's already a pretty good baseline to start with, especially for devices which won't be used for too heavy workloads. The fact that Qualcomm already has performance on par with M2 with a "first gen chip" is very promising, though everything is still up in the air regarding driver support and emulation performance and other bugs - especially given the ridiculously ancient suite of Windows apps that exist.

[@mahmoud1737]

I hope to see Linux support on mainline kernel

[@new-lviv]

Yeah. Having a snappy power efficient laptop on Linux is what I dream of.

[@olnnn]

Support for the CPU was added already I believe though Qualcomm doesn't have the best history when it comes to working with the FOSS community so idk what the situation will be when it comes to GPU drivers (will they finally lend some support to the community developed driver for qualcomm SoC gpus?), bootloader stuff

[@FlorinArjocu]

​@@olnnnNot only GPU, this is a SoC, I would guess it has also Qualcomm's wifi, bluetooth, security etc. They all need to be well integrated.

[@DT-vc7hd]

So excited to see what these chips are capable of once untethered from all the bloat and spyware of Windows!

[@weiSane]

Yes we are ready for laptops that could last a full day under average usage regardless of whether we are running windows or Linux.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

We've been due.

[@JoaquinVacas]

Give me that laptop with almost zero fan noise + +10h of battery life + Linux + at least 32GB of RAM and I'll be happy.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I can't wait to tear into one and get a Linux distro on...

[@Crustenscharbap]

This red notebook is absolutely beautiful. 24W. Seems that the APU needs about 18-20W and its fast as AMD 30-40W. It seems to be good.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

What we also don't know yet is how strictly governed the SOC will be in a fanless machine. Running a couple minutes of a benchmark is one thing, but we haven't seen if it will be throttled more in longer operation or if the 80W builds with active cooling will deliver a significant performance up lift. A LOT of unanswered questions.

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

ARM is getting more and more powerful and efficient every year.

[@tecnocosmia]

Best insights and details of the products so far, much appreciated man

[@postpostpostpostpost]

Hackintosh could make a comeback on this machines.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I'm REALLY curious to see if the hackintosh community can make a play with this. I fear that era might be over, unless we get more detailed info on things like drivers.

[@Rresenden]

No we can't. Just because it's the same arch, you don't have drivers, and the way M chips works it's different. Hackintosh soon it will be dead.

[@BarryJohnson]

This is rad loved that snippet of Pactel towards the end as well.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Yup! Us old nerds man. You would LOVE their little museum.

[@BarryJohnson]

@@SomeGadgetGuy Agreed 😄

[@futureitshere]

I'm so glad to see you cover the nichest of tech and being ahead of this conversation with the windows on arm is ready. this is a great to see preview of what is and to be. very exciting! And i'm so glad not to see the "but apple is so far ahead" crap

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Tech "enthusiasts" always seem to stop paying attention when their favorite brand label isn't in the title.

[@nostrace]

Moore's Law is now shifting towards investing in smaller and less energy-consuming chips that cater to casual and intermediate users. I think it's great, especially since we can now perform so much from just a browser. This could potentially become a great alternative to x86 for handheld PCs. I also think it would be interesting to see high-end devices that combine an AMD GPU. Perhaps we could also see a revival of Crossfire with AI integration, where one GPU handles rasterization while the other takes care of AI enhancements such as upscaling.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I've been bullish on the hardware for a while now. From a purely performance standpoint, a Dimensity 9300 is already hanging with 12th gen Core i7 U series, and that's at a peak of 15W and passively cooled. For the consumery stuff, ARM has been incredible to watch, we just need the devs to start taking it more seriously.

[@jeffreydurham2566]

I think it's a positive anxiety that this chip is producing. Not only with its own performance, but the other competitors to join in later. This will also open the door to RISC-V down the road as well.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

EXACTLY! We're seeing some good stuff, and now I'm anxious to see how it's used in a real consumer product.

[@okamich.9797]

Did they have just Windows on ARM demos or did they have some laptops running Linux as well?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Another frustrating aspect of how Qualcomm can only talk about a specific aspect of the roll out, the first partners are going to be windows. No official word on Linux or chrome os support.

[@mistamaog]

At first I thought this was a premature video to the Microsoft event 😅 But hey I'm glad to see more info on this new chip

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Not much new, but the closer look at gaming was very encouraging.

[@mistamaog]

@@SomeGadgetGuy Yeah I saw booredstwork uploaded a video with regards to gaming. I'm excited for the day we can get a chip like this in a PC handheld

[@bar7381]

if the chip is supported well enough for games it would be interesting to see an ARM based PC Handheld, considering how limited battery life is on current options

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I'd be shocked if we didnt see this light up more competition in 2025. Also, I bet Oryon cores are the main chips being used in MR headsets next year. I REALLY hope we see a follow up to the Valve Index with an X Elite style chip...

[@FAT8893]

I don't doubt Qualcomm can make crazy powerful hardware. What we need is better software experience, and that's still down to Microsoft to give better x64 software emulation for Windows on ARM.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Makes sense for Qualcomm to get ahead of the laptop launches. MS needs to show us good emulation, and the OEMs need to show us good hardware, but Qualcomm got their part of the job done well.

[@abdelkamazaya2958]

Qualcomm design hardware and others make it for him, like tsmc

[@Johnnyynf]

Is there anywhere we can know if Snapdragon X would support rumoured windows super-resolution for the NPU? It'll be very if it can offload the super-resolution to NPU and should have better performance for gaming than expected.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

It's so frustrating. That's the kind of stuff we've been asking but no one can give us a definitive answer.

[@maksimromanyuk1]

very good point it has more ai power than 4090 so it really can have something better than dlss 3.5

[@tringuyen7519]

Would love to see 45W Snapdragon X Elite laptop with 32G of LPDDR5 running Windows 11 with OpenAI 01 Light! We need AIBs to build the laptops first.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I'm really hoping we see the OEMs give us options like those. It would be great to see a variety of "light" and "pro" machines at launch.

[@techinamul]

Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤

[@mahfah7911]

👏 one of Only few channel which properly nailed on the graphics performance concerns. Because so many of us, do NOT want to leave classic XP games and hoping if properly emulated. I almost considered Apple if it emulated windows. But never happened properly. HOPEFULLY they are bringing 4-5 TFLOPS to the table on discrete GPU. AND Microsoft listen and understands to keep and maintain compatibility of older systems. It will keep their loyal fan base

[@MitchellWaldrep]

I wonder if they will create Snapdragon motherboards for a desktop PC that you can buy to custom build your PC, but can still upgrade the RAM, Hard Drives and GPU's. Having said that I hope NVIDIA and AMD also put out GPU's that are natively supported on ARM. It would be nice to be able to build my own custom gaming PC with ARM. I also feel they need to retire x86 for x64, but for 4 or 5 years create a compatibility layer to support x86 with instructions they have a certain amount of time to port any x86 to x64 and also bring a new filing system to replace NTFS which has been around since the 90s and it's time to upgrade to a new faster and more efficient system like Apple did with their new APFS.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I have to believe that will come. A little NUC style PC with this hardware would be awesome against a Mac mini.

[@IvoPavlik]

What I value about review/tech channels is critical and insightful approach and valuing my time (e.g. clickable video chapters for better navigation). You seem to have the first at least. Let's see what you got next 🙂

[@--waffle-]

@7:07 on the contrary. Nvidia showed their GPUs working with Mediatek ARM CPUs running raytracing way back in 2021.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Right. That's why I said this initial pitch from Qualcomm was NOT making a claim about this being an indomitable gaming solution, and that's not the initial focus of X elite. In another comment, I might have mentioned what a Qualcomm engineer about GPUs and gaming...

[@Grave79]

I still love my Surface Pro X but the lack of Windows on ARM versions of apps I use daily and the poor legacy performance meant I had to retire it. A low wattage GPD Ryzen meant for handheld gaming has proved a much better portable laptop for what I need to do than any Surface I've had (even the Intel ones). This is looking really interesting, but I feel like I'm going to hit the same roadblocks as before. Hardware seems great and everyone is gushing over it, but the software still seems to be the missing piece.

[@LiVeWiRez]

Nice early glimpse. Keep the coverage coming for these ARM Windows laptops. By any chance did you get to see what the storage performance was like and are the ports TB4 or USB4 on these reference models?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

LOTS of unanswered questions. Qualcomm kept us focused on what Qualcomm can control. A LOT of those questions come down to OEM decisions on how this part will be incorporated into a laptop, so it wasn't stuff shown off to us here. I would imagine though that we probably won't get TB4 on this first batch of machines.

[@ryshask]

Intel about to get dumped HARD.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

We've been stuck in the "Intel vs AMD" duopoly for so long, it's exciting to see some potential disruption from another player.

[@abhidahiya4007]

Intel and AMD are under serious threat now. Just 24W for the whole system compared to 30/40/50 watts of Intel, AMD just for CPU. X Elite will run circles around its competitors. That too for a even thinner and lighter fanless system. Finally i no longer need to look at a Macbook for all day battery life as i can't stand macos

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

We've got a ton of potential here. Now we need OEMs to deliver.

[@jacksongunner7122]

Really most users vastly under utilize the power of their laptop except when it comes to gaming. If this chip can support typical light gaming capabilities of intel laptops then it's a winner.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

So far, it's easily surpassing thin Intel ultra 7 sustems at lower power. I see this also being an avenue for mobile consoles in the NEAR future.

[@SinistralEpoch]

@@SomeGadgetGuy Speaking as someone who's been running a 155h for the last month. I've not really found it *lacking* in terms of performance for what I want to do on it. But I'm also not trying to play AAA games on the thing. Mostly light gaming, and general laptop usage. Persona 3 Reload, for example, works wonderfully. So, I'm looking forward to seeing what this thing can actually push. The Meteor Lake battery life is inconsistent as fuck. lol.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

That's absolutely the main win IMO. I don't think we're going to see radical performance differences, and we might hangout near this tier for a year or three with only iterative improvements, but hopefully we're going to see a change in consumer systems improving performance per watt.

[@SinistralEpoch]

@@SomeGadgetGuy I ran the original M1 Mac Air into the ground, until the battery on it started to fade. Then I picked this up. If I can get 3-4 years out of the Snapdragon laptop with no real desire to upgrade, I'd call that an absolute win. I'll take iterative improvements if it means we get a consistent experience across the board. That's what's been missing in the Windows laptops for me, including the Surface lineup. When this drops in June-ish, I'll pre-order the damn thing if I can. Genuinely the most excited I've been for a Windows product almost a decade. (I loved the Windows phone's Metro. It's still the best smart phone interface, imo.)

[@Pidalin]

Even if this is not gonna be immediate revolution, it's good that ARM architecture is finally slowly getting to desktop with Windows, because this needs more users, more testing and more development which can't be done just in labs without feedback from real users. After few years, who knows, maybe it's gonna be the future. We have compatibility with pretty old software and games and that compatibility is more limited by GPU drivers and DirectX support and such things, so even when old soft and games are x86, it still can give errors and bugs on modern hardware. I think it's maybe time to start thiking about some bigger change and don't stupidly insist on compatibility with 20+ years old software and games. I have several retro computers and full boxes with old hardware, I don't need this compatibility on my new computer and when new computer can be more efficient when we drop this x86 compatibility, then maybe we should do it. The same with outdated ATX standard and PCI-e slots which are really not designed for today 3 kg 50 cm long GPUs.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

That's always the galling thing about techies isn't it? "Oh, that new thing didnt immediately become the number one selling thing, and it wasn't exactly like the thing I already use, but faster and cheaper and make me ham sandwiches? Fail."

[@localblackman427]

Very exciting future ahead

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I'm getting all antsy 😁

[@Because-Linux]

0:43 Reminds me of my sister.

[@Gabilleta]

This opens up so many possibilities in the tech sector. From small form factor PCs, laptops, tablets, handhelds, etc could benefit from the efficiency of these new ARM style processors. It'll come down to support from OEMs and developers to really push this forward.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I think Qualcomm delivered what they needed to. REALLY anxious about Microsoft and OEMs now.

[@विचित्रलड़का]

The benefits will be null. The requirement will catch up and these products will be back to slow speed and 4 hours of battery life.

[@Gabilleta]

@@विचित्रलड़का Considering that Apple has proven otherwise with their M series chips, I think this will help push forward a better efficient way of computing, at least the entry to medium space from early stages of this rollout. What it sounds like, YOU as an individual, is unwilling to move forward and WANT this product to fail regardless of the benefits it will bring.

[@विचित्रलड़का]

@@Gabilleta the comment was meant for a different audience. Sorry.

[@liamcollinson5695]

I have heard rumors that maybe discreet gpus may be possible with the snapdragon x elite

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

A Qualcomm engineer in our brief said there was "no technical reason why you couldn't use another GPU" and then promptly stopped talking 😄

[@nottera]

​@@SomeGadgetGuy I guess AMD and Nvidia are in the works... We just have to wait the exclusivity deal to be over, Nintendo Switch was released years ago by Nvidia with arm architecture

[@CasaFassa]

so two years until it comes to market?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Multiple launches coming this summer. Surface event in May.

[@nicknorthcutt7680]

Yesss!!!! Ive been waiting for this review!! So stoked 😃

[@majidshaikh7811]

Did you make this video on your Vivo? If so, amazing that we can make content completely on phones

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Yup! All shot and edited on the vivo except for two clips that my mics borked.

[@ShellymanStudios]

This is interesting, I can't wait to see Snapdragon X Elite hit the market.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Getting really antsy. Hoping OEMs deliver now.

[@johnnyirish9852]

Thanks a lot was really waiting for this hands on. BTW Large Language Models

[@rnavedojr]

Not so long ago we worried about Windows laptops design and now we are all asking for M3 type of performance with special battery life improvement which in my opinion is Windows laptops biggest weakness.

[@tiromandal6399]

Well at the very least we're finally gonna have some real low power consuming Windows laptops.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

"At the very least" is an odd way of saying "Intel Ultra 7 155H performance at under 20W".

[@tiromandal6399]

​@@SomeGadgetGuy Hopefully but Intel's been making chips for windows a tiny bit longer than Snapdragon and those handful of benchmarks of the X Elite laptops were not done by 3rd party reviewers so saying "Intel Ultra 7 155H performance at under 20W" wouldn't be very wise. X Elite chips might not perform as good in certain tasks, just like it happens with Apple's CPUs. Hence my original comment. If they are at least as good as Apple's CPUs it'd be amazing, or even the Intel CPUs but if not then it wouldn't be bad either cuz of the very low power consuming aspect of the X Elites.

[@sesenol252]

Really looking forward to a budget Surface alternative getting into mainstream market ($600-800)

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

It's why I love my Robo&Kala so much. It's a little pokey as a Windows laptop when running X86 in emulation, but it's significantly more powerful and capable than an Android tablet for close to the same premium.

[@EverRusting]

I want a handheld gaming device with this chip like Legion Go but battery actually lasts more than 30 minutes.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

It's so close right! Like... I can taste it...

[@Techonsapevole]

+1 to see snapdragon benchmarks on Linux

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I can't wait to get my hands on one and try a distro...

[@kamertonaudiophileplayer847]

I use RPi and similar devices for decades without a problem, so sure I expect some room for ARM processors for laptops and even desktops. Apple do that with a great success.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I've been advocating for YEARS now that a modern premium phone is overkill compute power for most consumer needs LOL. I'm really hoping we see this chip in new mini-desktops and AIO PCs.

[@animedailyshortsTV]

as far as i know surface 10 pro will utilize this CPU ...who are others ?

[@az-fy3mp]

if it can run cities skylines then i'm all in!

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I can't wait to REALLY test drive a real consumer sold system. The last gen Snapdragon PC chip was surprisingly good at PC gaming for older AAA and indie titles.

[@DarkKnight2037]

I really do hope ARM processors can be optomised better for windows, esp for gaming, just so we can eventually get handheld gaming devices that are super efficient. Or who knows? Maybe we'll get something like that with the upcoming AMD APUs (Strix Point Halo) soon

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I mean, Control above 30fps and BG3 just under 30fps, at 1080p and low settings is beating my Steam Deck, and at nearly the same power draw. The 80W config for X Elite should perform a little better for gaming too.

[@tipoomaster]

3:15 what's the game?

[@vincentchi56]

In my opinion, WoA laptop need to run PC light loading game smoothly (ex. LOL/CS GO/Street Fighter 6 in 1080P/60FPS) , End-User will compare Snapdrogron X Elite game performance with Intel/AMD GPU performance & compatibility.

[@darkashes9953]

They could build one that can replace a top gaming pc easy.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Just wait until this is in a steam deck style portable...

[@weaponcomparisoninvideogam5505]

At how many fps was Control running at ? Do you have any idea, plz reply

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Non combat sections were staying above 40fps at low quality, but I spent most of my demo time on BG3. If combat dips into the high 20's and low 30's, that's roughly 300-350% performance lift over the last gen Windows on ARM machines.

[@AceAku]

My question is do these devices support EGPU's? if they do then it would completely change the ball game

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

We don't know yet. When we asked a qualcomm engineer he said "there's no technical reason why X Elite couldn't use a different GPU", and then looked at all the reporters and promptly stopped talking 😆

[@dandy_is_lion]

Redout 2 hell yea!! Remember to strafe and pitch tho! It's an essential part to good handling

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I had NEVER played that before, and I didn't include much footage of that. Because I sucked. I sucked REAL bad LOL.

[@dandy_is_lion]

@@SomeGadgetGuy LOL Sucking is a part of learning! I'm happy that even got some attention as it's a highly underrated gem that deserves so much more love

[@SunsetNova]

Looks very promising

[@justy1337]

While I'm very much excited for development for Windows on ARM, I hope Windows software developers actually migrate their software to natively support arm64. While modern apps may have existing toolchains that could be easily migrated to ARM, older apps may struggle. It tends to be old proprietary apps that you still need for your particular workflow. But perhaps something like the web versions of these applications (if available) would have to suffice during this transition just when Apple went to Apple Silicon

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

It's the path i see most likely. There's a ton of old software that just won't make the jump, and that sucks. But it's also a good time to make this consumer push where so many services are already apps and browser primarily. There's a little hope we can manage this a little less painfully than trying in years past. The compromises don't seem as severe.

[@justy1337]

@@SomeGadgetGuyYeah. Just as Microsoft shoved all sorts of new standards in the past down device manufacturers, they should be really pushing it for Windows for ARM adoption while stepping up their x86 to ARM compatbility layer to at least get similar performance to Apple Rosetta (which tbf is already impressive)

[@Neonyx11-vz3fd]

I'm concerned about snapdragon X elite support for Linux.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I'd imagine it's going to be rough at the launch until enterprise customers put some pressure on companies like HP and Lenovo.

[@siyaram2855]

How was heating?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

For the Qualcomm test systems, I find it very encouraging that an Elite destroyed a Core Ultra 7 155h in cinebench, where the Intel has a fan and the X Elite ran fanless. We'll need to see what OEMs do, but pairing this with active cooling should be pretty nice.

[@kbubuntu6048]

i hope it come to chromebook and chromebox

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Same. I HAVE to believe we'll see Qualcomm and Mediatek announcing support or manufacturers using these in chromebooks over the next year.

[@bobbastian760]

ARM typically isn't faster, it's just more power efficient.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

And yet, now we're seeing CPU core designs that are directly challenging X86 at a significantly lower power draw. It USED to be "ARM was slower", now it's "ARM is comparable with a better performance per watt".

[@ryzenryne8747]

How does it fare against the current most powerful AMD APU on the market right now?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Pretty well. I JUST reviewed a mini PC with an 8945HS, and throughout the video had a few points to make about X Elite. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYnIqGSkm9mir9U

[@froschfreak1699]

In my opinion ARM is the future. I work on Apple Silicon and Intel PC and have to say… x68 feels like pushed to the limit last century steam tech compared to ARM. I avoid to work on the PC and use the Mac whenever I can because it feels so much more snappy and efficient. My actual systems are both about 2-3 years old and in a comparable performance category, a Macbook Pro M1 Max and a 12th gen Lenovo i7, RTX 3060.

[@bobnelsonfr]

I want a NUC format machine with this chip. It seems to be a no-brainer.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Want. So. Bad.

[@rameesaliyousuf6219]

the question is CAN IT MINE CRYPTO?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Anything can mine crypto if you try hard enough. Just gotta BELIEVE!!!

[@N3tigen]

Do Qualcomm have plan after this processor launch As they we have 7c gen 2 then 8x c gen in galaxy book go features. So company develops more pc Arm processor or it's just initial l.😮

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Nothing official from Qualcomm, but I PERSONALLY feel the existence of an "X Elite" implies the existence of an "X Plus" or an "X".

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

If you hope a desktop level CPU with ARM, you probably need to wait a bit longer, since they actually have a serius scaling problem.. just compare the 23W and 80W results, and calculate the difference, you gain 10% extra performance for 250% extra power consumption.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

That's what we need to see in how OEMs build those systems though. It's not JUST 24W to 80W on the SOC. It's 24W to 80W on the whole system. So we're hoping to see more power flow through the SOC when active cooling is applied, but we're also looking at more demanding components for the rest of the system too.

[@1DwtEaUn]

@@TamasKiss-yk4st not sure Snapdragon is trying to compete with the Ampere CPUs

[@aarongranada2549]

waiting and excited to see how it performs in actual O.S.. hopefully Windows can catch up to this.. should i buy? nope not for at least 6 months to 1 year we will observe first how it perform to the OS and other app and games before pulling the trigger.. just like apple (mac os) first 3 moths or so they struggle to there transition but now im using mac and mac OS is flawless using arm chip..

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

The nice thing is, windows isn't a complete mystery. We already know a lot of the current pitfalls. It will mean some people have to change some of their behavior, but we can't get developers on board if there's only one kind of underpowered Surface to potentially use ARM apps.

[@magfal]

Comparing to Intel and not AMD, they must be desperate to make it look competitive before strix point comes out

[@All3me1]

I hope Linux support will come quick

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

We HAVE to hope businesses and IT departments put pressure on Lenovo for those options. I REALLY hope driver and platform support aren't as "conservative" for laptops as they are for Android phones.

[@乾淨核能]

did they mention the release date?

[@amirbahalegharn365]

a 2 foldable with 2 rollable smartphone-tablet-laptop mode with Win12 ARM which hopefully have a much much better x86toARM translator built-in and the support of WSA or Android on board with MS win desktop launcher and mobile one like regular phones, can change the whole landscape of usual devices as AIO and also let MS return to mobile phones shares via their own surface lines or much better, like google android, partnered with Samsun or xiaomi & other companies to release such versatile product from 6.5inch to fully expanded 15inch screen device with "standardized" modular battery or dock ports when user needs fully desktop mode & even 2nd SOC board to enhance the performance capability . it's pinnacle of what consumers need in this decade with AI on board doing many stuff avg or pro users will need & use

[@Bhargav_Studies]

*I guess SAMSUNG is DROPPING its GALAXY BOOK 4 EDGE by JUNE 2024 based on SANPDRAGON X ELITE to give neck to neck COMPETITION to M3* 🗿 🗿 🗿

[@chriss2295]

An AMD 7950x with 16 full cores will still beat a the Elite X in heavy processing environments, but for everyday use the Elite X is probably a better choice for the average user.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I don't think that's much in question, though we still haven't seen as much directly from the 80W test systems. The main win for consumer machines in this space right now, we'll probably hang out at this performance level for a couple years with only iterative improvements, but we're about to get a BIG performance per watt improvement.

[@sualehirfan2514]

It's very sad not too see High end Android tablets using this chips

[@aarongranada2549]

indeed!!

[@FAT8893]

That's because this is meant for Windows. Android already has Snapdragon 8 mobile SoC.

[@sualehirfan2514]

@@FAT8893 needs competition to apple M2 used with both ipad OS and Mac OS

[@ma7mgte]

@@sualehirfan2514Microsoft event today and in May. New Surface Pro on ARM. That's the device I want.

[@markfinlay422]

​@@sualehirfan2514this IS the competition.

[@WB007]

2774 Single Core and 14027 multi core on Geekbench 6 is better than M3 pro. What is the power draw?

[@RirtyDascal]

Apple M3 Pro processor scores 3,111 for single-core performance and 15,273 for multi-core performance in the Geekbench 6 CPU Benchmark. I'm hoping these Qualcomm chips will gives Windows the boost in battery life it so desperately needs, while also remaining powerful even when unplugged from the wall. That's a whole lot of the reason I made the switch to Apple silicon when the M1 Macbook Air was released. I liked it so much that I gifted that laptop to my oldest daughter and recently picked up the M3 Pro Macbook Pro to treat myself a bit. If Qualcomm brings the same kind of performance back to Windows, I wouldn't be opposed to switching back. Eventually. I'm gonna get my money's worth out of this Macbook first. Power draw for Snapdragon X Elite is between 12 watts(without fan), and 80 watts(with fan). 45 TDP being "typical" according to Qualcomm.

[@WB007]

@@RirtyDascal Yes, if the efficiency level is close to apple m3 or even amd 7840u then I'll be very much keen to buy one.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

That's what's confusing. Qualcomm only describes TOTAL system power, and that score was delivered on a test bed rated at 24W. We really don't have a good oranges to oranges comparison yet against Intel, AMD, and M series. If an OEM can also deliver that performance, fanless, and at a total system draw of 24W, for a good MacBook air starting price, this is going to be epic.

[@WB007]

@@SomeGadgetGuy 24w at max performance would be epic indeed.

[@FlorinArjocu]

I hope Qualcomm makes good Linux drivers for these. If it is a good chip, it will be running in a while a whole bunch of devices and many of those (beyond PCs) are on Linux.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Want so bad. Even the WSL performance is shockingly good on the old 8CX chips. This should be next level for Linux.

[@FlorinArjocu]

@@SomeGadgetGuy I hope so, as I am counted as Windows (the laptops came with that), but all 3 in our house run Linux. It is not only GPU that needs support, but also Wifi, Bluetooth, power management, virtualization, the GPU (CUDA-like) and AI programming APIs, etc.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Oh for sure. I'm not expecting it to be smooth to start. But given the potential in enterprise space, I hope Qualcomm will be forced to deliver support in more public ways than we see for phones.

[@विचित्रलड़का]

Honestly , linux is a downgrade for this level of hardware. Useless ego masturbation

[@FlorinArjocu]

@@विचित्रलड़का Your joke aside, there are tasks that are (way) faster / better done on Linux. And even for regular users, we might have different needs.

[@new-lviv]

Does it run Linux?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

We'll have to see how Linux devs decide to support it, but I get VERY GOOD performance out of my 8CX using the WSL in Windows 11. I've never tried booting directly into Linux.

[@ultrium2000]

I would buy one if I could put Linux on it. Raspberry Pies are ARM based. The company that makes them puts in the work to make Linux works on their machines. Maybe Qualcomm needs to help out with the Linux developers in order to make Linux available on their machines.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

It'll come down to the enterprise market. If corporations demand it, it totally believe Lenovo would want to satisfy that market, and that means more public component support than we often get on phone chips. I think it'll rough in the early days tho.

[@perrykeshahwalker5321]

Will the memory and hd be user upgradable with over the counter parts or will we be stuck with what we buy like Apple?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Unknown. Depends on what the OEMs do with it, but my GUESS is a lot of companies will try to copy the macbook. The older 8CX machine I have can't upgrade RAM, that's on the SOC, but you can swap out the SSD. Ditto the Lenovo and Surface ARM machines.

[@fzcxcxzzxcxz]

Can't this be paired with a Nvidia Gpu?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

We asked a Qualcomm engineer, and they said "there's no technical reason why you couldn't use a discrete GPU" and then they IMMEDIATELY stopped talking.

[@FrankJonen]

Kinda want that red laptop.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

No joke. I REALLY liked that shell. I kinda hoped they'd make their own Surface style and sell direct to consumers.

[@FrankJonen]

@@SomeGadgetGuy It's a bit annoying. They've plastered Instagram with these red laptops, now they're in the video all over. Just sell it already.

[@MrPerrisC]

It's looking good, not close to the best x86 cpus, but for first release not bad, I have a question too. Why is qualcomm afraid to publish transistor count to actually demonstrate ARM parity? Apple uses 10 times transistor count over x86 in their desktop CPU, (ultra and M3max) and still loses to x86 LAPTOP CPUs I need to see transistor count of this chip before I get excited

[@emcdonald75]

Does Steam work and run games on Snapdragon X Elite laptops?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I literally published a video JUST for you kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmWuiq2sjqaDgK8feature=shared

[@emcdonald75]

@@SomeGadgetGuy Thank you!

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

😎👍

[@robsshedoftech6457]

I have 3 ARM based laptops using 7c, 855 and 8cx Snapdragon processors. The 855 and 8cx, in particular, are very useable, even if they do offer a fraction of the performance of the Elite. The 7c is still fine for web surfing, documents and KZbin etc., but isn't as good as the 855 or 8cx in my 2 Yoga devices - all were bough 2nd hand to minimise environment impact and will be resold/gifted after my testing and/or use. Battery life is impressive in all - 9 to 10 hours or more. One of the limitations I have found with these models is multi-display support - like smartphones with DeX ReadyForX-Space etc., this seems to be limited to the device and 1 external - does the Elite improve upon this?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Same. I REALLY like the 8CXG3. It's like having a Core i3, in something that costs as much as a premium android tablet, and it can use two full operating systems instead of one mobile OS. The screen thing is another we haven't gotten to test. I cant think of any ARM based SOC that truly does handle multiple displays without merging multiple SOCs. A MacBook Pro can handle more screens, but it's technically two M chips stitched together, to oversimplify. I wouldn't expect X Elite to handle more than two screens at a time, but it would be really nice if it could.

[@robsshedoftech6457]

@@SomeGadgetGuy Actually, just tried my 8cx Lenovo and it mirrored one of the displays and extended it to another. I went into settings and COULD extend the mirrored display so did have 3 displays connected all showing a separate desktop! I assumed that it only supported the on device and one external but it seems to support 2 x 4K displays, perhaps via the dock, one of these is broken down into a 1080P and a 1440P as that is what I was getting in addition to the internal display?

[@vasudevmenon2496]

Qualcomm Reference Devices were pretty good. The problem is availability and pricing when compared to x86-64. I don't want a soldered mobo priced higher than MacBook and restricted bootloader. If you saw the msft surface event for SL6 and SP10 it was pretty disappointing and still they price Intel at higher prices without snapdragon and AMD options. It's 2024 and still surface laptop 6 gets only the 1080p webcam marketed as new whereas SP10 has 1440p. They are making the laptop seem worse than 2in1.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

From the MS perspective, I think it's because they aren't trying to step on other partner's toes. The Laptop is a "nice" laptop in a sea of nice laptops, and this won't concern Lenovo/Dell/HP that MS is trying to muscle them out. The Pro becomes the crown jewel product for MS because it represents a different vision for what a Windows portable could be, and there's a lot less competition for that specific idea of a convertible tablet. As to MS's cozy relationship with Intel, that I won't ever really understand, but it's at least somewhat encouraging that they've played with ARM in the past, and that a new SP10 will likely include an X Elite option too.

[@vasudevmenon2496]

@@SomeGadgetGuy not sure about Msft eating vendor profits because surface is the only consumer device with 6yrs of operating system and firmware updates besides the business laptops. The vendors barely support it after 2yrs and driver updates fall off the cliff once there are too many negative reviews or they are a year old. Thought i would try my first surface laptop or 2 in 1 in 2 decades of using computers mainly ThinkPad, alienware and IdeaPad. Well it seems it might need ThinkPad P series 7840u Pro will be the best case scenario.

[@natan_amorim_moraes]

Hey Juan, I haven't watched you much since pocket now, not because of your content, but because phones have become boring for me since 2016, but hey I'm glad this was in my recommended, great content like always, hope you are doing great!

[@winaraj]

how long did battery last in real world usage testing?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

They're not real world systems. They're the test beds that Qualcomm made. It's a reference design. We won't know practical daily use until we see what OEMs do with the chip, what kinds of screens and batteries are paired with it, etc.

[@Cyan3boN]

This is huge, i'm tired Apple fanboys showing off 15+ hours battery life in their thinless, fanless laptops.

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

We're so ready 😁

[@davidburns8113]

Please told me they're sending you a laptop to play with, Juan I want this so baaaad

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I hope so, but I'm buying fewer phones this year to also grab a laptop. It's been a long time since I've bought a new laptop.

[@DrXJ]

When are these going to mass market?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Seems the first batch of laptops should be announced over the summer.

[@thebeanstalker631]

Are these like macbooks with soldered ram and storage?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

Depends on the OEM. The 8CX gen had options for user replaceable storage but not RAM. We'll have to see what manufacturers do with the chip.

[@thebeanstalker631]

@@SomeGadgetGuy thanks

[@AnkitPuniaFX]

If it's going to cost like Macbooks, then there is no point.

[@aldob5681]

so no arm in the wild?

[@SomeGadgetGuy]

I mean, I still regularly use a Windows on ARM machine.

[@kevinkev1530]

👍🏾

[@JEHARCUTEBOY]

HEATING THROTTLING ISSUES 😁😅