it begins... the DEATH of x86

Seeing Qualcomm's new Snapdragon X Elite chip first hand. This is the beginning of the death of x86 systems.
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[@AZisk]

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[@_MicraN_]

my desktop pc lasts 0 seconds unplugged (tested)

[@jekanyika]

Same, I just tested it.

[@LegionInfanterie]

no way I test it too and same for me 🔥

[@MrSamPhoenix]

L😂L!!!

[@riclerico]

🤣

[@inamulbhuyan]

need ups🤣🤣

[@AyaWetts]

The death of x86 sounds like "the year of the Linux desktop"

[@Cjnator38]

never gonna happen but we can hope

[@RedPhoenix550]

the steam deck is doing more work in that department than arm ever could

[@mgord9518]

Or people will still use Windows because all of these devices will come with Windows pre-installed What we need is more devices like the Steam Deck, specialized and polished enough to appeal to normies, but prove that Linux is easy to use

[@Henry-sv3wv]

when will we have the death of ipv4 because i only have ipv6 with cgnat

[@Henry-sv3wv]

raspberry pi arm also is annoying cause if i try stuff with docker on my pc that doesn't mean it will run on my pi so i use my old laptop as a server instead of a pi

[@magnummer]

I just hope it doesn't also mean the death of upgradability and repairability. The apple way of "better make sure to buy more than what you need for futureproof" and "if it broke, well... sucks to be you" is a future I really don't want.

[@TheMissingxtension]

Every single Android phone is stuck on a certain android build. That's exactly 💯 what it means. What you get is what apple offers, but without apple. There is a reason they don't brag about PCIE lanes or memory support, so basically its all soldered. To make things worse the UEFI and Qualcomm means you won't get an unlocked bootloader any binary drivers outside of a 3 year cycle.

[@kienhwengtai8113]

Well if the future all single board computers with zero expandability, which pretty much most ARM machines are, then it's bleak.

[@acorredorv]

We're already very close to that point, my ideapad has non upgradeable CPU and memory, only the SSD is not soldered to the motherboard. I bought it knowing that it would be disposable, because going with a thinkpad with similar specs was close to twice the price... A few years down the road I can buy another mainstream laptop and still have spent the same.

[@kienhwengtai8113]

@@acorredorvManufacturing-wise it is easier just to solder all the stuff on the board or put into SOC. Apple have gone further and put the RAM into the SOC. At least with Intel/AMD machines you're not stuck running Windows unlike ARM devices with their draconian DRM over the OS.

[@TrioLOLGamers]

​@@TheMissingxtensionbut you don't usually upgrade your laptop every 4/5 years and you don't write a lot of data. And I'm a massive multitasking android user, so I write a lot of data. That's the point of having not soldered SSD. The wear of an SSD on a laptop is way higher. My WD SSD died last year because of wear and was not that old... On a smartphone you do not work If you don't use DEX

[@Johnnyynf]

Imagine having a mac level laptop hardware but don't have to deal with apple's bs Count me in

[@stephanemignot100]

Don't know, running Linux maybe, Windows is an abomination

[@thripnixe]

@@stephanemignot100 sorry to say but Linux is the real abomination

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

It's not a mac hardware, they need 12 power cores for the same test result what the 4 power cores (basic M2) do, but they didn't even dare to show you the results agains the M2 Max what is a 8 power cores design, so imagine how competitive against the 12 power cores M3 Max.. even if they show that they compared their 12 power cores against 8 cores, keep in mind, basic M series have always 4 power cores and 4 efficiency cores, and that 4 efficiency cores are not there for the performance, so basically it's just 4 cores against 12 cores comparison..

[@uruacufutsal1]

@@thripnixeyoure wrong

[@DarthVader11912]

@@thripnixeNo windows and Mac both abominations. Linux is the best operating system not even close. That's why even Microsoft uses linux.

[@jerome436]

Lets hope that once ARM starts to become common in PC, manufacturers will not start shrinking the battery to make laptops unreasonably thin again.

[@Mainyehc]

I don't think they will. They're competing against Apple, after all, and the latest MacBook Pros went back to being rather chunky. It's the combination of that and M-series CPUs that allowed them to hit those insane battery life records, and I suspect PC manufacturers will do whatever they must to at least equal Apple's offering (i.e. they may become chunkier or slimmer depending on whatever chips are available at any given moment, and according to the market segment they're catering to; obviously there may be also MacBook-Air-like PCs with comparable battery life and performance, and that's also a good thing). The only unreasonably thin laptops ever made, IMHO, were the 12-inch MacBook and all subsequent Unibody models featuring the horrendous and faulty butterfly keyboard. Heck, those later models, until the 2019 one, were completely gimped due to thermal throttling, and in hindsight, that model was still extremely limited when compared with the Apple Silicon ones that followed. As for PCs… I don't see why that's a problem, as people may still wish to buy thin and light laptops and carry a charger with them. That's pretty much the *only* advantage of PCs, user choice.

[@sihamhamda47]

I remember a 2017-2018 Thinkpad T series laptop had a 96Wh battery, now most newer models of them only has 50-70Wh despite being more efficient

[@xBINARYGODx]

@@Mainyehc I think it's more that that those same companies are just also going to make the x86 versions, and so you will have two models that are the same exact thing beyond the arm vs x64 difference, but perhaps you get more battery in the arm thing, but in either case, the arm thing will do better for barttery, at least to some degree, with the same overall setup.

[@nayber2352]

They of course will People want cheap over anything else

[@queasycarboy508]

@@nayber2352 sadly yes and this can be expecially deadly for unbranded laptops that gave garbage performance and they are made just to be sold

[@JeffRyman69]

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." - Mark Twain (alias X86).

[@AZisk]

😆

[@steveoc64]

My bank’s mainframe cluster lasts 4hrs with the power disconnected .. which is plenty of time to start up the 4 massive diesel engines in the basement to take over. Wouldn’t mind that setup at home actually

[@kensmith5694]

Many years back I learned about a system like that but with a few other clever bits. 1) The engines were in big insulated boxes with electric heaters so that they were warm enough to get going fast. 2) When the power failed, the engines started automatically and the switchover happened in step with the other system that kept the mains going even when the input power failed. 3) Twice per year, there was a scheduled test to make sure it worked. This was done with all the real data isolated from the machines.

[@funkijote]

I have follow up questions about your bank’s mainframe. What’s the bank? What’s your name, dob and ssn?

[@12q8]

At my company, they had pretty outdated UPS batteries that only lasted 30mins. After they unplugged and replaced them with new ones, the old ones caught fire a few days after.

[@imop285]

1:34: My laptop only lasts 20 mins under low load and 5 mins under high load.

[@uchennaofoma4624]

Bro 😂

[@nathanl2966]

And here I am complaining about how 7 hours is not enough. 🤣

[@ReptilezDzn]

bro your battery is LITERALLY ON LIFE SUPPORT, get a new battery

[@TheWallReports]

😂😂😂That’s basically a transportable where you have enough battery life to move from one power receptacle to another across the room or another room.

[@devashish_]

5 mins are enough. Don’t upgrade bro

[@niewazneniewazne1890]

Thinkpad T14 gen 3 Ryzen 7 6850U. 5h web browsing(16% left, 1:45h estimated time) started at 50%

[@AZisk]

that’s pretty good

[@niewazneniewazne1890]

​@@AZiskthat's on Linux too and this thinkpad T14 gen 3 doesn't support ASPM_PCIE/PCIE Link state management. Forcing pcie_aspm on triggers the kernel failsafe for broken bios implementation.

[@rmcf3972]

​@@niewazneniewazne1890wow about on windows 11?

[@meckerhesseausfrankfurt4019]

Similar times here with a recent Ryzen Lenovo ThinkPad.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

😮

[@gerolifium]

my Arch Linux laptop lasts approx. 10 minutes because the battery is severely damaged

[@Shxvang]

do you use auto-cpufreq?

[@gerolifium]

@@Shxvang nvm i switched to ubuntu 22.04

[@sage-br7ez]

​@lifium downgrade boo

[@Quephara]

Same story. A damaged battery is a damaged battery, no auto freq tlp config will save us

[@agent_447]

And you can get a new battery without selling a kidney

[@abhishankpaul]

X86 machine user here. My laptop lasts approx 6 hours w/o AC supply and I do mostly programming

[@hrissan]

And weights 6 kg?

[@abhishankpaul]

@@hrissan nearly 3 kg. Tis i5 processor dude, and the worthless Iris XE graphics card

[@boltez6507]

​@@hrissan good asus laptops weigh around 2kg and can last upto 7+ hours.

[@AnotherDay-ce6th]

@@hrissan brian less detected

[@hrissan]

@@boltez6507 doubt that. On my job I was issued a recent thinkpad which costs more than MacBook Pro, it lasts may be 40 minutes on battery. I have 2 IDEs and clickhouse running (no inserts performed into it, but it consumes cpu nevertheless)

[@maxvamp]

Another great video!!

[@AZisk]

Thanks!

[@bakerkawesa]

My Ryzen laptop lasts 2 hours.

[@chideramolokwu9558]

gonna switch to snapdragon x elite

[@BoboFerre]

my school laptop (thinkpad with ryzen 3) last like 5 hours with power savings mode wich is still fast enough in power saving because all i need it for is browsing and some basic programming

[@funkijote]

Showoff!

[@ranjitmandal1612]

👍

[@scientist30]

Mine 3 and half with ryzen 7 5800U and i never unplug it since i work from desk!

[@RazoBeckett.]

i last 2 min, and my Arch Linux Laptop last 2HRS, still better than me considering it a gaming laptop.

[@M1szS]

💀

[@raddastronaut]

This channel is a gem, just found it today and I’m hooked. Excellent work.

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Great video, Alex! Was awesome to meet you over in San Diego

[@AZisk]

For sure!

[@ZelenoJabko]

@@AZisk Alex you are so süß and kind

[@_jerieljan]

What people expect: PCs with this chip would achieve Apple Silicon Mac longevity What actually happens: PCs still run out of batteries earlier than they should because Windows 11 is so full of bloat by default and it still keeps the laptop running when it should be sleeping because Windows still hasn't implemented Sleep that properly works yet

[@Encraftonline]

Absolutely. Needs to go hand in hand with windows optimization.

[@michaelm.3641]

I think Linux is probably going to slowly sneak its way in as the pre-eminate 'efficiency hardware' as we move forward. Windows just has too much dragging it down. Mac is too locked in, overpriced for performance, Linux has much more flexibility and is quickly being introduced into more and more applications.

[@isa_L]

thanks to their S0 Sleep enforcement aka Standby S3 sleep is Actually Save battery back in windows 7, 8 and 10

[@oo--7714]

I doubt it, they elite chipset is still imo too power hungry 23 watts tdp is still pretty high, should be 15 max, 10 watts preferably.

[@sas408]

Newest windows ultrabooks last as long as the Apple Silicon. Maybe you didnt notice, but most of windows laptops have a little extra chip called "GPU" which comsumes about 100W extra but giving much more graphics performance. The Windows 11 itself is very efficient and they reworked its core parts for that to happen

[@david-6110]

Qualcomm being a bit of shady company when it comes to open source drivers and licencing, I don't expect ARM in grade consumers windows/Linux laptop. Or for a big price tag (The price of the Snapdragon Lenovo X1 last years was a pure joke).

[@stevewilson6193]

Qualcomm will open the door... but Nvidia and AMD's Arm chips will really change the game. as you pointed out Qualcomm is shady when it comes to open source drivers and licensing, but also, they are forcing OEMs to buy all of the peripheral chips that support the system. power ICs, battery charger, PD controller... so everything is from QCOM. OEMs will reluctantly use QCOM but as soon as there is a more open option from AMD or Nvidia they'll jump

[@sovietunion9131]

@@stevewilson6193 When AMD started to made chips from ARM architecture??

[@a740g]

@@sovietunion9131 AMD already worked on the K12 when Jim Keller was around. AFAIK, they are rumored to launch ARM processors in 2025 after the MS and QC exclusivity deal expires.

[@sovietunion9131]

@@a740g Okay

[@roccociccone597]

Before any of that can happen windows on arm has to actually be usable. Linux is fine but most people don’t use it unfortunately

[@Winnetou17]

Ok, now the race is ON! How long until a specter-like vulnerability is found for Snapdragon chips too ? I'd say at most 2 years.

[@matthewyancer]

or exposing encryption keys like Apple's M1, M2 and M3...

[@Winnetou17]

@@matthewyancer Yup!

[@granitbajraktari1600]

​@@matthewyancer Both of you are talking about the same thing - side channel attacks

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

first it's milked 2-3 years then it's "found"

[@PainterVierax]

@@Winnetou17 go watch CVE, you'll found a lot of issues with Qualcomm chips or Trustzone in general. Since the beginning though, all ARM64 chips were stated as exposed to branch prediction attacks like Spectre. And unfortunately, ARM chips don't have microcode firmware to allow manufacturers to push security updates so they rely exclusively on kernel patches.

[@EHKvlogs]

I hope it has good linux support, most if not all device drivers built into the kernel.

[@Nemesis-db8fl]

Ubuntu and debian is available for arm based machines and i think other linux distros will support it soon enough

[@789uio6y]

Linux are so hard to use. You need literlly write commands for you computer, so annoying.

[@Nemesis-db8fl]

@@789uio6y well if u think that ur still living in 2000. All Modern linux distros have GUI and are easy to use. If ur an absolute beginner try zorin os

[@PainterVierax]

@@789uio6y We are not in the 90-2000 anymore. For desktop users, there are a lot of flavors using GUI extensively and where little to no terminal commandline or even file editing is required to set the system up. Even on something a bit more IT-oriented like Debian stable, it's totally possible to not touch the terminal for months.

[@xBINARYGODx]

@@789uio6y nah, not with the 'correct' version of linux, then its basically not that different than using windows

[@Kirmo13]

my laptop on battery power: Windows: 3h - 1h Linux: 5h - 1h (but it reaches 5h only if I do the lightest of tasks, which realistically never happens)

[@skii_two]

My PC after being unplugged for 2 minutes : “I will self destruct in 5 seconds”

[@user-sam4465]

Loved that video...❤

[@Playerz714]

Too bad all 99% of apps wont run on it

[@pauldunecat]

My laptop with an 8086 lasts about 20 minutes. Because I refuse to use the integrated graphics over the gtx 1080. ;-)

[@inamulbhuyan]

Snapdragon X Elite 🔥👌💪

[@mikem9536]

Wow bro, that CPU is ancient.

[@pauldunecat]

@@mikem9536 Still can play Crysis, Baldurs Gate 3, FFXIV and Helldivers 2. :-)

[@Pasi123]

Do you mean the 8086 which was released in 1978 and used in PCs in the 1980s? Or the Intel i7-8086K Limited Edition (40th anniversary) from 2018?

[@boltez6507]

​@@Pasi123probably the latter.

[@wyatt8770]

I'm still waiting for better compatibility layers with ARM for me to justify it in my workloads. The second problem is, my workload is kinda cache heavy, and there just isn't a lot of architectures that do the job. I've tried the M1 max, and while it has plenty of power to go around, it lacks the mountain of cache that my X3D chip has (before anyone asks, its kinda a niche software architecture workload) .

[@Linkachus17]

1:33 Windows: probably less than 30 min Arch Linux: more than a hour

[@Steven64]

1:34 My laptop lasts 4 hours on idle. 45 minutes while gaming.

[@pikagamer9676]

My laptop survive Maximum 5 hours Edit: Snapdragon fans : Snapdragon x elite going to be better then m3. Mac fans: Snapdragon x elite is going to be worse then m3 and we had this for years. Me :"It doesnt matter everyone agree arm is better then x86 on laptops"

[@inamulbhuyan]

Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤

[@pikagamer9676]

Yes​@@inamulbhuyan

[@treasty]

Mine consume 20% percent per hour watching KZbin. it's an i7 1260p

[@dijital4801]

x86 is good for decktops though

[@ranjitmandal1612]

😮

[@Fileczek]

me using computer with x86

[@adityachaturvedi_sonicpower]

I had a dell latitude laptop which was i7 /16GB ram/512gb ssd with integrated graphics. Used only for work. Lasted 7-8 hrs once full charged. And that was under full work load like 12-15 chrome tabs, 4-5 heavy excel sheets with macro enabled. BI tools etc. That was something to be reckoned with.

[@AlmorTech]

Another awesome video! 😮👍

[@AZisk]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@MarcelPeters-wx5he]

someone who said the death of x86 clearly has no experience in making tech content.

[@Summersault666]

It's already dead long time ago

[@anshulsingh8326]

Hope performance is better then Macbook pro m1. My macbook pro m1 with 32gb ram performance is very bad for the price. Battery last 5-6hrs on heavy usages yes, but performance isn't good enough.

[@elduderino7767]

judging by that 80w benchmark i don't think it's that the performance cores scale for efficient tasks but rather they are efficiency cores that don't scale to performance tasks, there is barely any increase in performance with more than triple the watts they look more like efficiency cores that are labelled as performance with massive drops in efficiency at high wattage applications with little improvement

[@N3tigen]

Sometimes I forget Max channel has two brothers.😁 Both guys provide cool update.

[@marekolen7355]

My laptop last 10h unplugged (tested)

[@sushimshah2896]

Well, my 14" windows work laptop with i5-1145G7 lasts a full day of work, around 8-9 hours!

[@bojangles2492]

I like how you borderline apologise for talking about things that maybe off topic like the car, so polite.

[@ninjason57]

Doesn't matter until software becomes available in ARM. They've been trying to get rid of x86 for decades but can't because companies need it to run their programs. They'll have to start from scratch and that costs money and time which are corporations two worst enemies.

[@johnnydoe3603]

My MacBook Pro doesn’t Run even a Second after Removing the Power Cable. The Battery is Dead & i am too Lazy to get it Replaced. 😅 Don’t worry, I have disconnected the Battery.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

then your macbook is throttled down massively, except it's apple silicon but they are way to recent to have any issue with battery

[@madushanka]

Legion 5 Ryzen 7735hs 6Hrs+ on word light browsing + programming with vs code. I don't even think about turning RTX 4060 on on battery power

[@Pasi123]

My ThinkPad T450 with the internal 24Wh and removable 72Wh batteries lasts a bit over 10 hours when browsing the web with balanced power plan. But my main laptop, ThinkPad T440p, only lasts around 3 hours with the balanced power plan or 5-6 hours with really aggressive power saving. T450: i7-5600U 2c/4t, 16GB DDR3, iGPU, 250GB Samsung SSD, 1600x900 TN panel, 24Wh battery is the original but the 72Wh is new. T440p: i7-4800MQ 4c/8t, 16GB DDR3, Intel HD 4600 + GeForce GT 730M, 2TB Crucial MX500, 1920x1080 IPS panel, 100Wh battery from late 2013 (around 69Wh left due to wear and old age)

[@RomPereira]

My concern is that they are comparing this "Elite" chips against the base M2 processor. If you check cell phones, the price for those snapdragon cpus are getting insane, elevating the pricing for android phones by a bunch. Today you get a M2 computer - please read mac mini - for 599 with storage, memory, etc or a base model notebook for 999, meaning that those cpus are being sold for about 200 each. How much those "super" snapdragon chips will cost? Will Windows be up for it?

[@perrypereyra6671]

man, I remember hearing SnapDragon when Android was really taking off, and I always thought comparing Intel/AMD to SnapDragon and other "mobile phone" CPU is just so dumb and a major sin, silly, like... they are different world usage. now is the day they clash. this is so wil to me.

[@user-mf1qm2oz3b]

The Mac transition to arm64 was only possible because of rosetta 2

[@infeltk]

And?

[@Denvermorgan2000]

So what?

[@platin2148]

Actually it was more possible because apple basically wants byte code for the apps so they can easily retarget the apps. Plus the memory model is the same as x86 as such it’s way easier.

[@toddmartin7030]

Duh, so that way apps and what not could run on Apple silicon without requiring developers to target and port their app on day one. They did something roughly similar during the PPC to Intel transition.

[@scientist30]

@@toddmartin7030 Windows need something similar for sure, Maybe qualcolumn create somethuing themselves

[@frozencatcake]

happy 200k subs

[@AZisk]

😊 thanks 🙏

[@frozencatcake]

@@AZisk :)

[@TechMeldOfficial]

My laptop lasts me more than 6 hours while browsing web, and 8 hours while coding, i have a Lenovo laptop with a Ryzen PRO 5 5675U

[@horuslupercal3872]

I own a G14 and a m2 pro 16, and the m2 pro is sooooo good, my G14 barely gets touched now, there are things the g14 are better at, but unplugged away from the wall, it’s no competition in favor of the Mac

[@DksiamHangshing]

omg!

[@rickenbacker472]

I hope there's going to be an 'ARM's race over the next few years. Qualcomm, Nvidia, AMD, Intel. We need those SoCs. I'm honestly surprised Nvidia haven't done it already.

[@lieathie]

Don't forget MediaTek :)

[@holyknighthodrick5223]

We really don't need upgradable, unrepairable SoCs.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

Arm is leading since a long time, think about what phones use, yea it's 100% arm

[@Shifter-1040ST]

I remember seeing a quirky little British computer called the 'Acorn Archimedes' at a computer fair in the early 90s. We've come a long way.

[@kwentongmisteryoso]

I am actually holding back to wait for there first laptop. I'm so excited

[@neonxglidegamingmousemodel5018]

replacing them with arm is so stupid, if its going to be in every pc and laptop

[@mrigankadebnath5034]

My aspire 3 with Ryzen 7000 series cpu lasts 10 + hrs easy on normal daily use

[@Zoolookuk]

This may also lead to a new Bootcamp on M-powered Macs. Apple always said it was up to MS to use it, and contrary to popular belief, Macs can dual boot and support other OS''s

[@YannMetalhead]

Good video!

[@MadsterV]

ARM? why switch from an open architecture into a closed one? If I were to switch out of x86 I'd do it into RISC-V, where innovation (and any kind of change) is NOT locked to a single company. We already know what happens when a single tech company dominates a platform: Government comes knocking with a few requests.

[@kensmith5694]

Yes, I think going RISC-V would be a very good idea. They need to add a couple of open source GPUs for the video and etc and some open source accelerators for AI. Perhaps also including a small FPGA area would be useful too.

[@felipematheus853]

It's also what i'm saying for this foolish hype, the Arm CPU is not even more efficient than x86, is just the Arm GPU that is very efficient (can run csgo at 20x more, like Micro Magic showed) and can have a better GPU than Arm too since is new and don't have a framework that needs to follow. In my opinion the fight is between x86 and RISC-V. If a good and totally new integrated GPU is made for x86... ARM can´t have any chance for competing, not even in tablets.

[@PainterVierax]

@@felipematheus853 TBF, x86 is not built for efficiency in ultra low power. The frontend circuitry dealing with micro-ops translation is a trade off. But this legacy ISA offers a wide range of usability and an incredible software library who doesn't require a ton of compiling optimization for each microarch to run well on every system. So outside of a captive market with a locked down software and hardware environment like Apple has, it's not possible to successfully bring ARM or R-V to the PC market. That being said, the real battle is in the embedded and server world. And R-V is already eating a lot of marketshare from ARM. The reality is ARM is stuck between the hammer and the anvil. Trying to take the x86 market is just a desperate measure, already tried several times.

[@Visualization1]

the problem here is software support. for the Mac they told all the developers, from now own Apple silicon is the way to go, however microsoft can't do that.

[@fidelisitor8953]

That's not how it works my friend 🤣 Apple can't just tell developers and expect them to just follow. It's all profit driven. The devs optimized their applications for Apple silicon not because Apple told them to but because people were adopting it and they saw it as a potential for profit. If devs see windows on ARM devices flying off the shelves then they'll provide the same support for windows on ARM as they did for Apple silicon. It's all about the profits for them.

[@Visualization1]

@@fidelisitor8953 no, Microsoft is not known for making bold moves liked these. For example we still didn’t get rid of the 32bit apps. They have to support to much legacy. It probably will happen eventually. It would be nice if they draw a line in the sand and say, this windows version is only ARM.

[@crestofhonor2349]

It is moreso apple forcing them. If they didn't force everything to ARM then it wouldn't happen. You have no other choice than an ARM based mac if you want the newest one. So yes Apple is forcing them unlike on windows@@fidelisitor8953

[@soufianechbani1922]

HP Omen with i7 10th, 7 hours of Netflix streaming using Edge, used to be less than 2h before the Omen software update that added a battery saving mode on top of Window's default one, not using the power hungry GPU also helps a lot.

[@YoubaBakhouche]

ARM chips have hit their limit, x86 chips still got a long way of improvement.

[@breechcomet9724]

While I believe arm is great, I don't really see x86 dying out much maybe we'll have future where laptops are using arm CPUs and desktops are running x86, like what we had a decade ago where phones were arm and PCs were on x86.

[@fidelisitor8953]

When cheaper ARM CPUs and GPUs start coming out for desktops you think people won't jump on it? Imagine a snapdragon graphics card that's as fast as a 4090 but only uses like 100W, doesn't burn it's connector due to excessive power consumption, doesn't require an expensive 1000+W PSU and only costs like $800 instead of $1600. Will you see such a wonderful deal and still buy an rtx 4090 instead? An ARM desktop will be A LOT cheaper than an x86 desktop because the ARM CPUs, GPUs and motherboards that power it cost significantly less to make than it's x86 counterpart. ARM CPU and GPU dies are MUCH smaller than x86 ones plus the masking process is shorter for ARM chip wafers so this translates to significantly cheaper CPUs and GPUs than what can be achieved with x86. From a cost perspective, it just makes a lot more sense to buy an ARM desktop or an ARM CPU and GPU instead of an x86 one so I definitely see ARM taking over even in the desktop market. Manufacturers can make and sell cheaper desktops while at the same time making more profits per device.

[@BMAD_Christoph27]

@@fidelisitor8953 People will buy the things that work the best. If ARM can do that then so it will be. However 1) I don't see Snapdragon ever competing with Nvidea, no matter the architecture they're using, and 2) Thinking ARM based desktops will be sold less expensive than X86 is a delusion. Tech companies will sell hardware for whatever they want you to pay, the material and manufacturing cost will not play a great role in this (Example 4090). Besides, although I'm not read up to well on ARM, there will always be compromises and downsides to everything.

[@shivampoke]

@@fidelisitor8953 I hope you are rage baiting, or that is an insane amount of copium

[@danield.7359]

how does it do on linux? (couldn't care less about windows)

[@elduderino7767]

these arms chips are going to take decades to be relevant, they might never be why? because everything we use needs to be redeveloped for ARM, linux arm has been around for 30 years and it's still pretty shit apple and windows will force developers to rebuild in arm or die, that type of centralisation doesn't exist in linux, arm will be relevant when linux users prefer arm hardware and who is going to prefer arm hardware if none of the software you use support it?

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

i was surprised how quickly developers added Apple silicon support, if the hardware is that nuts, the transition is quick.@@elduderino7767

[@robert_2866]

nice touch on the subscribe highlight @ 4:00. I will hit the button for that style point.

[@liamcollinson5695]

The surface pro x was decently powered but the problem is app compatibility because with out that i cannot see it catching on unless it is amazing at emulation which i will admit has made me skeptical

[@vicmaxabc]

I don't get it .. I have a Lenovo X270, it has a built in battery and an external battery. Together they last over 16 hours of regular usage... development, watching KZbin, running small VMs for docker dev...

[@fidelisitor8953]

An Apple silicon macbook will last over 30 hours with an external battery.

[@kevinnguyen163]

Great. I will still be happy with my 14'' M1 Pro Macbook until then.

[@whatwhatmeno]

🤢

[@ArthropodSpidey]

​@@whatwhatmeno the same reaction your mom had when you were born

[@whatwhatmeno]

@@ArthropodSpidey Average Mac user 🤣🫵 too much money yet too little brain

[@marekmecir5822]

@@whatwhatmenoyou are the one who started being toxic..I was lifelong Windows user and 2 years ago I switched to 14” M1 Pro base model..today my laptop is as powerful as M3, no need to upgrade, battery lasts 12-14h of office work, about 14h of watching movies..and about 6h+ of heavy use (I edit and render loads of photos)..only part I'm missing are games, mostly the competitive titles like CS etc. even though the horsepower and fanbase is there. This problem is caused by Apple themselves for not supporting Vulkan API besides Metal..for no reason. In the future I'm definitely going for a Mac because of the accurate screens, top notch build quality, fast transfer speeds (which are not dropping), full power while unplugged, ability to manually update the system just by turning off auto updates in the settings and the keayboard..it is perfection..older Thinkpads and retina Macs (2012-2015) had better imo, but in todays meta it is perfect..combined with no body flex, I wouldn't go back to Windows laptops..this is way better..only Apple holds it back, but we will see. (Btw don't be toxic)

[@Weaselszone]

​@whatwhatmeno To be fair as someone who uses a Windows desktop and MacBook Pro, as well as Windows laptops, it's safe to say that MacBook Pros are the better laptops for most cases. Windows on laptops is just too unreliable and finicky for me. I prefer Windows for functionality however.

[@JohnPMiller]

My Windows laptop lasts on battery long enough to install the Windows updates and reboot. That's good, right?

[@vylrent]

I have an i7 1360p laptop, dell inspiron. Takes about 10-12 hours to drain fully from 100% when web browsing and coding so I'm happy

[@james8606]

I fell the battery on intel chips is farfetched. I have an i7 dell laptop and I'm a support engineer so spend my time remote connecting to computers, browsing the internet using our password manager, using teams, onenote and Outlook. If I use my laptop on battery I get around 6 hours out of it and when I connect my 2nd screen around 4 hours. I do get arm can go longer but how many hours are we away from a plug socket. I use the same argument with my Rog ally for gaming.

[@dylanfrost7065]

heyooooo firsttt oneee??!!!! lmaoooo, how you doing by the way mannnn!

[@AZisk]

Hey hey!

[@dheeraj3945]

I have an 8 year old laptop with replaced battery. It runs for around 3 -3.5 hours on Windows and around 8 hours on Ubuntu Mate

[@IvoPavlik]

That's surprising difference 😮 How's that possible?

[@BlueEyedVibeChecker]

@@IvoPavlik "My source is I made it the funk up" As a dualbooter, I can tell you it does not make THAT much difference. A CPU with a 35W TDP is still using 35W on Linux too, it's simply doing less in the background. At best you'll gain 12 minutes on average.

[@IvoPavlik]

@@BlueEyedVibeChecker exactly. I smell a lot of exaggeration in the air here.

[@dheeraj3945]

​@@BlueEyedVibeCheckerMine has an Intel i3 5005u, which is 15w, I can't be as precise to 12 mins as you are. Besides I am just a user who merely noticed the difference with usage. Maybe you'll find your answer on some kind of development forum related to Mate or from someone active on Canonical's community. "You're bunking up the wrong tree"

[@dheeraj3945]

​@@IvoPavlikI'm not sure how it makes up for such a stark difference, it's just MATE that makes up for such huge difference, I tried other environments but they probably make up for at most an hour of difference. With an average somewhere near 30 mins

[@LouisDuran]

I have a Lenovo Ideapad Pro 5i. It will last about 6 hours in mixed use in balanced mode. Browsing, Office, Python programming and watching videos. I actually never use it on flights since it is simply too big for most airplane tables. If I'm ever using it on battery only, I'm reading something or doing simple Python programming. 6-7 hours is plenty for my needs. The biggest problem is that performance while not plugged in is not great.

[@aviavi4684]

Dont use your laptops on plane, If the guy sitting in the front row wiggles, your screen is gone!!

[@ennzzyy]

the death of x86 on LAPTOPS.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

no, it's the death of x86.

[@PainterVierax]

not even happening. Until laptop users don't change their usage, x86 will remain as the most well-rounded solution. It's too late since tablets and phones took the place.

[@mementomori1868]

arm is the future BUT we need arm chip for linux

[@AZisk]

no reason Linux can’t run on this

[@inamulbhuyan]

Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤

[@pikagamer9676]

​@@AZisk but i think Linux integration in certain models without needing to download will expand the linux comunity and be better for now linux still way better then windows on arm

[@CristianGomezM]

you can run asahi linux on a macbook

[@mkikets]

😂 Era of open source ARM chip What about rPi chips? They are ARM based...

[@michaelksiezopolski]

Did You account for security leaks like the one impossible to patch in Apple?

[@xellaz]

Would love to see this on mini-PCs, NAS'es, and servers as well! That amount of power efficiency is delish~ 🤤

[@btsr2553]

Here are my two cents to this topic. The death of Intel and its x86 architecture began in 2015 at the latest with the Meltdown and Spectre bugs that have not actually been fully closed on the hardware side to this day. Apple was forced by Intel to fix a bug with a workaround that was never suspected. Intel remained silent about this for an extremely long time. Apple had to carry out expensive reverse engineering for a workaround. Then there were all the bugs in their graphics and especially in their wireless chips at the time. That was far too much for Apple. They had to react. The M1 and now its successors are the logical consequence of this! Well done Apple.

[@donpalmera]

>The M1 and now its successors are the logical consequence of this! Well done Apple. Yeah, well done Apple, they managed to implement exactly the same class of processor level security vulnerabilities all on their own.

[@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw]

Spectre meltdown affects ARM as well. So apple Qualcomm Intel and AMD. It's not specific to x86 processors.

[@btsr2553]

@@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw Just because the M1/2/3/xyz is based on a type of an ARM architecture does not necessarily mean that it is also susceptible to Meltdown and Spectre. Anyway, the x86 processors from AMD are also not as affected. The real fact is that Apple, as an enterprise company wanted to get rid of its dependence on an actual competitor. Especially from a competitor with whom it cannot fully co-operate.

[@sovietunion9131]

​@@btsr2553 "The death of intel" yeah only in your comment section.

[@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw]

Not sure why people think ARM, Apple M series and AMD have less vulnerabilities than intel CPUs. Apple has even bigger vulnerabilities, including Pac-Man and gofetch, that have no fix yet. We hear more about vulnerabilities in intel cpus because of their market share and attacks on those have higher impact due to the sheer numbers.

[@piereligiodisante]

My surface laptop studio with i7 gen 11, and nvidia 3050ti, lasts about 5 hours on light/medium use, less than 4 on heavy use

[@deneguil-1618]

something to note with the wattagen 23w - 80w is the total device TDP, not just the CPU

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

ofc, 23w for cpu would be way too much

[@N3tigen]

ARM processor next big thing in computer.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

ARM is leading since decades now, all phones are ARM

[@stevebrady2833]

lol its gonna work great for 5 mins til it throttles and turns to shit.... X86 will never die

[@inamulbhuyan]

Snapdragon X Elite 💪👌🔥

[@lifeindivine]

Sir please tell more why does Arm Chips throttle?

[@Winnetou17]

I wouldn't be that sure, but it's nice to find that not everybody is so blinded by ARM. Thing is, ARM chips so far, that is the M chips from Apple actually have extra advantages that are not ARM-related, and that's why it seems sooo much better. But people are lazy and don't check in detail. Things like better manufacturing node, RAM on the chip, laptop+mobo design with few ports and everything soldered and a non-bloated OS + utilities (here Linux can be too, but it's a bit all over the place). Truth to be told, some of those advantages could've been on x86 too, if Intel and AMD and the AIB parteners actually put some effort into having an efficient laptop (just a few designs, not all of them) instead of blindingly chasing some benchmark scores. I can't wait to see Intel launch Lunar Lake. It will be the first chip with on-chip RAM, which can finally go toe-to-toe on the M chips and I guess Snapdragon chips too. And we'll see then if ARM is really that much better (if at all).

[@holyknighthodrick5223]

Never is a strong word, but whatever kills x86, it sure won't be ARM. God forbid x86 goes down the SoC path though, its already happening on laptops with soldered RAM.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

rofl are you seriously comparing x86 to ARM efficiency wise? that's insanity squared

[@adwaitagnome]

I have a Lenovo ThinkPad T420 (with the 57wh battery) which lasts about 1.5-2 hours unplugged with moderately heavy usage on GNU/Linux. I usually need to bring a charger with me if I am going to be using it for a while.

[@MarbsMusic]

Looking forward to these and what the M4 will bring to compare to it!

[@sidpablo]

I'm running a mini pc on a power bank. 4 hours gaming on medium graphics. About 7 hours normal use. Power plan set to custom maxing out at 80%. It's a ryzen 7 6800h with a 680m graphics.

[@Space_Wanderer.]

My Lenovo V15 G2 ( Ryzen 3 ) on 30% brightness and Linux KDE Plasma can last ~4 hours developing Flutter apps ( with the app running ). For simpler tasks it would be ~6 hours.

[@IvoPavlik]

Ah, you fixed your camera exposure. Good for you 👍🏻

[@Derpalerpa]

My relatively new laptop is a Lenovo V15 G3 IAP. 12th gen i5, so almost peak intel efficiency. With a 36WH battery, I get about 3-4 hours of casual usage :’)

[@Coconutgl]

Hope it can be released in the market before the next gen chip comes out. I am tried about how those benchmark were great theoretically in these couple of years but we can never use it.

[@Angel-HC]

My last Windows laptop was a 2021 LG Gram 16" and would get 6-8 hours off the charger depending on what I was doing with its 80Wh battery and i7. Not bad at all for my use, but it was pretty sensitive to battery drain from inefficient apps. Zoom was a pretty bad one that comes to mind. It would frequently spin up its fan when it didn't appear to be doing anything in the foreground and I'd see huge temperature spikes on the CPU. Just a lot of inefficient background processes I think that aren't always well managed in Windows. My M2 Macbook Air is MUCH better in these regards and just sips power if I'm doing basic tasks and doesn't experience the same random fall offs in battery percentage that my Windows laptops did. As someone who also has a gaming PC, the potential exit of X86 definitely has me questioning the future of PCs and being able to build my own as I've done for close to 10 years now. It's hard to argue with how efficient apps designed to work on ARM architectures are, though!

[@RSV9]

Have you thought about testing with an eGPU for a laptop or mac ? It would be interesting to know if it is an alternative.

[@PopStrikers]

>News footage playing on phone >"It begins" in video title Someone's been watching Cash Jordan xD

[@stassss2011]

Looking forward! One of reference laptops is some sort of asus zenbook, hope to see an ARM laptop from them soon.

[@ChilenonetoYoutube]

My best long battery laptop (not apple) is a HP Elitebook 1020 x360 i7, with a very fine tuned arch linux distro on kde, 7.5 hours... but with decent performance, real world working windows 11 with .net projects, approximately 4.5 hours top (punching up here). My personal main laptop is now an m1 macbook air, lasting a good over 7 hours full performance.

[@phalsgun]

The problem is with unpredictable battery of current windows/x86 laptops. On my m1 mac, if it tells me 8 hours of battery left, it would last roughly that long irrespective of what I do. But with windows if it tells 8 hours of battery in a moment, it could change to 2 hours of battery in next moment because anti-virus scan started in background.

[@SkepticalCaveman]

I really hope Framework makes a X Elite version of their laptop.

[@roamanxo5882]

I get 6 to 8 hours of office work with battery saving mode and 50% brightness on my MSI Stealth. 8 hours without all the battery saving compromises would be a real game changer.

[@grahame8032]

I gave up on using Windows laptops for travel as the battery life was never more than about 2hrs. I use a M2 Macbook Air when travelling and a Windows laptop that is always plugged into power for video editing.

[@AMV12S]

Press X for doubt.

[@mydogsbutler]

Maybe eventually arm will replace x86 but but I don't think that will be the Elite that does it. Apple was able to create m1 performance not only because of the processor but the architecture of board too. Addiational features... especially unifed memory....played a huge role in the performance jump. If an ARM computer is jut around equal in performance to x86 it will continue to get most sales because of software capability of regular windows (which is precisely how it has maintained its dominance for so long)