Sneaky reacts to "Is Dota 2 Harder Than League of Legends?"

[@DimpleTheDragon]

Appreciate your thoughts on the video, been watching you as a pro and streamer for a long time. You obviously have so much more experience in both games than I do and that’s very apparent by the mistakes you highlighted and I made putting this video together! It’s a far from perfect project and I’ll be the first to say that! Looking back there’s so much in the vid I’d change, but it reflects the authentic thoughts and feelings I had at the time of playing whether those thoughts were wrong or right :) Either way I appreciate all you’ve done for the league community and LCS! I personally have gotten hours and hours of entertainment from it! I’m going to take the criticism I get and keep working hard to make better videos and hopefully you’ll run across another you’ll like more in the future! :)

[@thebozz8009]

To be honest it’s not like the video was bad, it just wasn’t a comparison, it felt more like a “what to expect when trying Dota 2 as a LoL player” simply because league’s mechanics were never directly compared. For example you noted the difference in “Flash” and “TP” but not the difference between auto attack spacing in LoL vs Dota, very different skill sets and is probably the most common facet of micro you’ll face in both games (I could be wrong). I liked the video previous to watching sneaky and still do, just felt like maybe you could make a part 2 in which you do the same break down for league and then open the discussion for difficulty rather than simply barrier of entry.

[@ObscenumLoL]

Idk, I have a few friends who played dota 1 and 2 a lotand then moved to league (one of them reached diamond in league, which isn't supr high elo but it is something) and everyone of them thinks dota is way harder than league. I guess people want to feel like they play the "harder" game no matter what.

[@imjusttrolling7944]

because it is harder.. i can bet my life that an average dota2 player who is legend rank dota player can reach diamond or even masters in league. legend is like gold in league.. but a gold rank league player will hardly ever touch legend let alone them going for ancient to divine rank.

[@rafaelvargas5333]

play dota2 then lets see 😂😂😂

[@xazarl3381]

@@imjusttrolling7944 Not true at all i played dota last christmas it is brutal to start out because you get placed in normals vs 7k games players. Understanding how towers work is confusing and how to drop the agro you need to A click. Using the courier, secret shops, Last hitting once you understand this it gets smoother which doesnt take long. Next is turn rate league players wiggle to stay mobile in dota you cant do this the same it griefs your movement so you need to stop that habbit, next is flow of the game a lot of dota is farming wave and farming jungle camps and roaming after about 15 games i adjusted to that flow and after 30 games started having fun. I think i played like 29 hours i was like 43 wins - 15 loss on Storm Spirit and 30 wins 19 loss on skywrath mage and 17-15 on Viper but storm spirit is crazy fun. But league is more fun to me for the mechanics of out play and laning phase. The amount of awful laners in dota 2 is actually pretty funny.

[@Jimmy69jimmy]

Sneaky should make a detailed video comparing the two. I would watch

[@wigmanmania259]

I've always thought of LoL as more of an Outplay game, and DotA as more of a Counterplay game, but honestly, the games have diverged so much from each other over time that asking which one is harder nowadays feels like asking whether kickboxing or football is harder

[@djolemacola]

ye , comes down to what precise demand on the players brain you focus. Dota is much more of a chess-like game compared to LoL ... but the utter importance of microskill with skill-shot abilities makes LoL obviously more competative when it comes to those types of executions.

[@Nikotheleepic]

counterplay? Just because dota has counter play elements doesn't mean thats what the game is centrally about... in league you play your character in set ways with very little deviation, in dota there is a million ways to play even a single character. I don't even know what you mean by league being an outplay game.

[@Vidar77-wy9gc]

Thank goodness I grew up with dota 1 and not league, LoL in comparison looks and feels like a mobile game

[@klawypl]

type in google "wild rift" you gonna see why 😂

[@CounterStrafing]

Dota does too though wth😂😂

[@Flyzoola]

foo eating chick'n nuggies lookin like Lord Faarquaad doing absolutely N O T H I N G the whole video, but talking about "I hope he says something of real value" is wild

[@saveborg1091]

i started thinking he didn't fucking know his game when he said "this game has 0 skillshots", then he flexed the tournaments. Jeez man you're probably fucking unaware of everything! i play both games, haven't tried dota competitive, BUT outside of counter picking, THERE IS NOTHING you can do if something goes wrong, fundamentally making things harder. dota itemization requires more brain power than the fucking league item list. EVEN understanding what Nullifier does differently from a CLEANSE requires more brain power than buying botrk to fight a fucking hp tank... (which in dota was pretty commonly associated to LIFESTEALER or the rare %hp ability dmg.)

[@Cenere94]

in general... comparing dota items make league items look like a stick you find in nature.. refresher orb, eblade, dagon are just a few example of very powerful items... now we got in league stat sticks... i generally was frustrated when i started to get into leagues itemisation because it was so stale and super simplified.

[@icroosing]

IMO that's what makes League harder, the ways for you to comeback are very scarce, it's either outplay or a huge throw from the enemy

[@Cenere94]

@@icroosing we talking of league of DMG amp.. it's one shot or getting one shot which recently even ADCs did too. Great game design

[@icroosing]

@@Cenere94 See, you do agree with me. League is harder because you can't be out of position or overextend, the game punishes you very hard for your mistakes and there is no bb, the only silver line is that you respawn very fast. That's why I prefer Dota, you can always comeback if you play properly.

[@Cenere94]

@@icroosing league isn't harder, it's just worse design. You could take months off the game, play few games and get back into. If you do the same with Dota you basically can start a new. And games in league are also "comebackable" if most ppl playing it wouldn't have main character syndrom and a worse mental than a kid getting bullied in school for 5 years.

[@chriss87878]

No offense to Sneaky, hes a pro League player who understand how high your skill expression is there, absolutely. But hes 6.2k mmr in Dota, and it definitely shows from the gameplay, don't get me wrong the majority of people who play videogames are utter dogshit at them, so Sneaky's mmr seems impressive, but almost everyone whos good at dota knows how trash low immortal is. Even if Sneaky was like 9k+ mmr i would be hella suspicious of anyone who pretends to understand how high you can actually do skill expression in Dota. When i see Sneaky reach atleast 9-10k mmr, which even at that point is still 4k mmr away from actual top tier pros, and he starts playing heroes which are mechanically and micro-intensively more demanding than anything in League ( Meepo, Invoker, Chen, Arc Warden, LD, etc ), i'll be glad to hear his comparisons.

[@omegalul7390]

also na server, 6k na is comparable to plat literally

[@icroosing]

You talk like you are Wattson or Yatoro, saying low immortal is trash, ofc is not enough for you to be a pro but it's definitely enough for you to talk about the game and it's complexity. You are just malding because someone that is actually good in both games said something about dota that you consider is bad. Also Sneak reached Immortal in less than 2 years meanwhile all the top tier pros have been playing dota for at least 5 to 10 years. FYI Dota is harder than League to learn, the numbers of players prove this but that doesn't mean League is easier overall.

[@chriss87878]

@@icroosing Buddy i'm not Watson or Yatoro, that's the entire reason why i made the comment. I peaked around 8k mmr, higher than Sneaky, and i'm/was utter dogshit at the game, my pubs looked like disoriented clueless apes trying to play dota. Tell me something; when you watch Sneaky's pubs in 6.2k where everyone is clueless, Sneaky is still reading trash ingame guides for itemization, the macro game is disgustingly stupid and he doesn't know 5% of it, never plays any mechanically/micro intensively hard heroes, what goes through you mind at that point: "oh man, Sneaky is so good at this game" ????? Bro, you have a lot to learn if you think anything under 10k-ish isn't complete dogshit. Learn how the game works or stop commenting, thanks. This isn't League where the depth and skill level of the game is so shallow you can make literal 1:1 mobile games out of it

[@icroosing]

@@chriss87878 If that’s what you got after reading my reply then you are lack a lot of text comprehension or is a miserable person because according to your line of thinking there is only utter shit and pro level, which is bonkers because then you must consider that everything you do is utter shit since you aren’t in a pro level, you are shitty driver because you aren’t a Nascar driver, you are shit cook because you aren’t a 3 stars Michelin chef, you have a shit physique because you aren’t Mr. Olympia, you are horrendous because you aren’t Mr. Universe, your English sucks because you aren’t an English Professor in Cambridge, you were a shit student because your GPA was 4.0 instead of 5.0, etc. The world isn’t black and white, it’s grey, you can be good at something and still not be in a pro level, also you definitely don’t need to be a pro to tell if something is harder or not, you just need overall knowledge of both things and in case of Sneaky he has. Also, I’ve never said that Sneaky was “so good” at dota, I just said he is good and comprehend both games enough to tell which one is harder. I pity you man for this extreme thinking.

[@kyoden1928]

@@icroosing low immortal nowadays is trash though, i was 6.4k 10 years ago and is completely different with how 6.4k currently is

[@ImHydro16]

Dota is harder. Delulu sneaky 😅

[@Grego-xz9pt]

At his level of play league is harder because the micro a.k.a skill expression a.k.a dueling potential a.k.a outplays e.t.c is much higher in league its a more mechanical thing to it

[@KolyaUrtz]

​@@Grego-xz9pt he reached highest level in league and is comparing it to middle ELO level in dota.

[@caikyns5116]

​@@Grego-xz9pt league is for adhd, dota is for master chess

[@Grego-xz9pt]

@@caikyns5116 thah made no sense adhd has nothing to do with the game. League tsked stratedgy both macro and micro are present so not sure what you mean

[@Nightknight1992]

@@Grego-xz9pt youve never seen a real pro duel or teamfight then, let alone the real micro heroes^^ dota has skillshots btw, as well as league has point and click abilities. even just the addition of up to 7 activatable items that are all very specific to scenarios and matchups is so much more microintensive

[@derickd4665]

League is for smarthphones, dota is for pc😊

[@mytza4all]

agree , my microwave could run lol

[@sebastianchen8279]

Long story short, LoL is a 5 man playing pingpong and DOTA is a 5 man playing chess.

[@jaakkouusitalo1094]

League feels way more empty or shallow after 12 years of Dota 2 gameplay. It feels like it hasnt got the time to mature with all the mechanics.

[@ancy1205]

I'm not sure why you feel that. But after that much time and Dota still haven't got rid of turn rate then it need to do better. Clunky legacy of the ancient Warcraft 3 system does not make the game better.

[@jaakkouusitalo1094]

@@ancy1205 dude can you deny creeps in lol

[@ancy1205]

@@jaakkouusitalo1094 no. And I'm glad its that way. It Multiplayer Online BATTLE Arena. I dont want to encourage player to NOT doing battle, as in attacking the enemy and got attacked back. Unless you want to count attacking your own minion as battle.

[@jaakkouusitalo1094]

@@ancy1205 keeping it simple from 2011

[@ancy1205]

@@jaakkouusitalo1094 lmao. Turn rate and creep denial are anything but simple.

[@paradoxofgodexisting]

I should have watched the original instead of a reaction video...

[@spudz69]

people watch this kind of people? i am genuinely surprised lol

[@imjusttrolling7944]

"the skill expression in league is higher compared to dota" really? lmao and you say you're surprise he said nothing? like you literally said the skill expression in league is higher than dota.. its better to say nothing sneaky. lets put a comparison then.. 1st of all, map.. dota2 has high ground low ground and trees for line of sight or fog. a more complex terrain with better ward placement and a more rewarding for support to de ward, also vission helps in ganks because of smoke in dota2.. its a more competitive battle for vision. in LoL, its grass, a monotone warding placement which is the most obvious thing, theres no outsmarting for good ward placement other the typical "put wards in grass" no high ground and low ground. 2nd lanes. creep and neutral creeps/jungle creeps management in dota2 is more competitive, denies, creep pulling, creep blocking, neutral stacking and creep wave management. lol only has creep wave management. 3rd hero interaction, dota2 has turn rate, also in dota2 hero blocking is more utilize. you can hero block on LoL but its pretty shit. and kiting in LoL what a joke because it has no turn rate you can easily kite. 4th, items. its more diverse, from guinsoo, bkb, manta, orchid, linken, shadow blade, dust, glimmer, force staff.. the utility of and importance of item choices is more crucial in dota than in league in which you can just build the same shit in all 10 of your games you'll be fine. - and ill address the "skill expression" sneaky said. yes skill shot is more fun in all because its the only thing it have.. LoL is like only practicing how you land your skill better and faster than the opponent.. BUT its not harder, its just more utilize in LoL because thats is its only feature. - in dota2 its more technical because missing spell have more downside compared to LoL because most skills in dota requires timing, like sunstrike, lina stun, pucks illusory orb or shift, morphlings attribute shift, heck even items are timed, like manta dodge and armlet.

[@zenithxabyss8023]

Go cook, maybe you’ll climb out of gold next season

[@ancy1205]

Do you even know what skill is? Knowledge is not the same as skill. For example turn rate REDUCED the skill expression. Same goes for everything else. Harder does not make it better. You are facing the other player, not the system. Winning other human being in tick tac toe isn't harder or easier than winning in chess.

[@prussia9255]

There is absolutely outsmarting for good ward placement, if your take is that the best spot is always in a brush that just shows your lack of knowledge on the game. Creep pulling exists in league, you can do it level 1 to make leashing enemies miss xp, you can pull creeps to freeze, etc. Does proxying exist in dota? Regardless a lot of this is more game knowledge than skill expression. "Kiting in lol is a joke" tell me you are silver in league without telling me you are silver I guess.

[@ancy1205]

@@pathet11cc ??? Everysingle league player I have met confirm Dota is clunkier , much more complicate and harder. It not deep though. You dont under stand what deep is. Having 10 mechanic is not deep. Having one mechanic that can be used in 10 ways is. Well, lol is not deep either.

[@pathet11cc]

@@ancy1205 " Having one mechanic that can be used in 10 ways is" AND that's exactly what dota have. Mechanics in dota can be used in many ways. For instance, you can just pull(provocate) you creeps on neutrals and move wave closer to your tower, or you can pull enemy creeps to pressure enemy characters, or you literally can pull them literally to you midlane from side line to give more exp and gold to your midlaner

[@perceptoshmegington3371]

What's this chick's problem, Dota is way harder it's not even comparable. She thinks skillshots are micro? Eh?

[@ancy1205]

Yes. Skill shot carry the intention of the other players. You have to dodge, bait, aim, zone on the fly.

[@davidkelly132]

@@ancy1205 well thats half if the skills in dota then.. 6.2k mmr (probably plat/diamond in league) opinion on this is just stupid. I have played both, many champions in LoL are very hard to master to be top tier but overall the game has no dept compared to dota

[@ancy1205]

@@davidkelly132 Moon, a pro Dota player who claim "this is braindead"...before getting crushed in an extremely favorable match up of Teemo vs Graves. And 4 pro dota player plus 1 coach got crushed by 3 pro League player despite League seemingly have no new mechanic on top of seemingly being much more simple. You dont even realized what you dont know. That is what having depth really is. Slaping tons of shallow and unficus mechanic into a game is not depth. Especially when half of them are artifact ftom the ancient WC3 era. Come back to me when you reach the peak of lol and thus have a complete picture to talk if you want to talk about rank.

[@anti-h2894]

​@@ancy1205bro both games were desing from that "shallow and unfocus mechanics" were based on the ancient W3, u have simple abilities like, Hwei shield camp, or blitz hook, compared to pudge hook and Abbadon aphotic shield, its like, the "same" even in abbadon is more complex, i think the one who doesn't know its u, well, u have complex champs like K'sante but same with Arc Warden Field, which gives u a lot of things in a simple spell, so on both of cases you must to master a character, its not easy on both games. But I must to say that League uses to have the same shit desing, repetitive on the most of his champs, skill shots, dashes, fear, some stun, and thats all on the most of cases, caityn, jinx, jhin, ashe, kogmaw they are very similar in a way, specially in mechanics same with Lucian, Ezreal, and a little but its similar, Vayne with that dash, same with mages, and bruisers with all those dashes and shields overpowering them like no sense like Ksante was, and oh what a surprise there is a New champ in coming from Arcane Amessa ambesa who cares the name is literally Ksante 2 but with more dashes, bc mobility shot is the only important think in this game, which at the end its not a hard mechanic. Bro, Im currently master in last season as adc and I know what Im talking about, there is not that hard mechanics in league that dota 2 has trust me. Ive been playing both games for many years, Dota 2 hits harder than league in difficulty which doesn't mean better, in that way there is no better, just enjoy what you like.

[@anti-h2894]

​@@ancy1205btwn I saw that game on "pros" from dota 2 playing league, there are some points there, they were at second division on that season, and, i think they do not know a shit about items spells and abilities on league, which is obvious, despite the "base" is the same bc both games are mobas, the base on then is waaaay different since the early game, you need to be very straight in league even in the pro-games from The Worlds you can see this point, and if you do not do this, and break that strat you are fucked up, something they do not know, the rules on league there are not said, While in dota 2 there is all more flexible which opens you a lot of strats since the draft time, which makes it more hard. So I have a good point here im sure that if the dota 2 "pros" would keep playing in few games they would understand those rules and early strats from league and win (because at the end league punishes a lot for every early kill) While of the pro league players tries it in dota 2 they would take tooooo many games on trying to figure out wtf is going on. Losing the most of the games. Too many strats, and mechanics to learn, same mastering them.

[@IANF126]

dude is playing juggernaut and DK and he thinks that's more micro than league

[@AstreaHatamoto]

What a joke lol leagues macro and micro are insanely different, and I'm a NA Grandmaster player oof lol

[@AstreaHatamoto]

Dota 2 is a joke

[@Nightwalk444]

@@AstreaHatamoto Okay, go and try playing Meepo.

[@Juggernaught456]

@@AstreaHatamoto League is the childrens game, dota is the mens game, explains a lot about you

[@AstreaHatamoto]

@Juggernaught456 lmao and that's why League is notoriously more played, picked, and streamed. Nobody wants to play Dota man, it's a thing of the past, but league is doing strong 💪

[@agggg3809]

It easy to compare,in dota he is 6.2k mmr highest mmr now is 13k-14k , while in league i assume he is top few player of all time ??? So dota is harder handsdown

[@dunkin9443]

Not really lol, atm his main account on league is Master 464 LP, so almost GrandMaster, but its NA, u can get GM (and Challenger) with way less LP than in EUW. For comparison u need to get 471 lp (as im writting this message), to get GM in NA and 770 lp for Challenger. In EUW, u need 768 lp to get GM, and 1078 lp to get Challenger. So a GM in EUW is almost Challenger in NA, while a GM in NA is still Master in EUW. Not saying he is bad or anything btw, just a reminder that NA is way less competitive.

[@joinmeng]

6.2k in NA is like 4k in SEA or 3k in WEU lmao

[@icroosing]

​@@joinmeng SEA harder than WEU? Then tell me why the dominant region in the pro scene is WEU and not SEA

[@joinmeng]

@@icroosing hello, another stupid person on the internet. first of all, that mmr analogy is an exaggeration. what I meant simply was that NA is a weak region. this idea is not just from me because i've never played there, but it's what I perceived from the players who have experience. secondly, if I say a 4k mmr player in SEA is worth 3k in WEU (which is not, it's exaggerated), that just means WEU is harder and not the other way around! is it really hard to understand? you're welcome!

[@icroosing]

@@joinmeng Why are you greeting yourself? Nevertheless, your statement is overexaggerated and wrong in everything, not only you meant that SEA is a much stronger region than NA but you also had the audacity to make it almost as an equal to WEU, when the reality is that SEA is one of the weakest regions. You guys have been in dota 2 since the beginning (2011) and have never won a TI or constant dominance, even today SEA struggles with NA where the esports scene is dying as a whole. Note: NA has only 2 teams, the other teams are just orgless random stacks. 8k MMR EU > 8k MMR CN > 6k MMR AM > 5k SEA

[@chunkeebread]

league was my main moba for 6-7 years casual ofc peak was master. i play dota more now but thats probably because im just in divine and having fun picking random heroes with my 5 stack. towerdiving in league is pretty scary since its honestly pretty easy to mess it up. In dota 2 you can usually just either statcheck the tower itself or just transfer agro to creeps easily. everyone being able to tp it pretty scary in its own right but it creates way too much space for the opposite lane hence the map change with a big gate connecting opposite lanes. anyway my point being low elo tower dives in league almost never work out perfectly while dota 2 tower dives usually end up working out since people wont be looking to tp to another persons lane

[@toss7055]

many arguments can be made for either game being harder, but I don't see the point of that, as I don't see the point of videos like that; they only exist to needlessly fuel the already tribal mentality of a common moba player

[@That.Chessculated.Quickly]

even Steve 'Guinsoo' Feak admits that dota is harder, league players are just salty or just in denial. it's a known fact that dota is harder more micro and macro. 0 skilslhot my ass

[@SteamIQ]

Bud League has ABSOLUTELY 0 more complicated mechanics than Dota, I almost cried laughing when you started thinking League has better micro management skills🤣 Pretty clear you have less than 100 hours on Dota and 95% of your life on League of Legends so maybe stay away from comparisons you dont know shit about

[@kokorocrunch6615]

May I ask what's your rank on dota? I only have 1k hours on it but I have more on League. Also what is a good rank in Dota where you are considered "good"?

[@ancy1205]

As usual, Dota player being clueless about basic concept. More micro or more complex does not equal better.

[@SteamIQ]

@@ancy1205 better is subjective you goof, lets start with more complicated🤣

[@ancy1205]

@@SteamIQ no. We have a whole school of game designer to analyze that "better", and an extremely reliable metric to measure that is the size of player base. Need I say anything more? Money talk.

[@SteamIQ]

@@ancy1205 according to your own logic Fortnite is the better game than both?? Because it has more players huh😂😂😂

[@VeryCoolCat]

In League if something is broken/overpowered its an accident. In DOTA its just the game.

[@DoggieDoggo]

dota is for real men while league is for women. 😂😂😂

[@amandavieira2543]

So league is better then? Got it.

[@bwunomaws12]

oh please stop i played dota for 10 years as a woman my bussy did nothing to my gameplay

[@elfilibusterible]

Dota has a lot of physics involved in it. When you play Dota, you basically can become anything. Supports can carry in Dota which is very very rare in League. If you're support in Dota and you think your carry ain't doing shit, you can re-utilize your item and be THE carry to win the game if need be. That's just one of the many things that make Dota so difficult. Not to mention the pulling of camps. Not only you'd have to think about last hitting the enemy creeps and your creeps, you also have to strategize how to pull your camps for neutral creeps while in lane. And you need to time it perfectly.

[@ancy1205]

@@elfilibusterible you mean that one of many thing that make Dota easy?

[@elfilibusterible]

@@ancy1205 lol, you can obviously tell if someone has not played Dota at all. Or if he did, probably only for one hour and quit.

[@ancy1205]

@@elfilibusterible Each Dota match last much longer than Lol right? Low risk low reward are always easier than high risk high reward.

[@elfilibusterible]

@@ancy1205 Playing one game of Dota for 3 hours to give all your best and go crazy only to end up losing is low risk? And $40,000,000 prize pool is low reward? Okay. You must be Elon Musk.

[@ancy1205]

@@elfilibusterible are you one of those who compete for the price pool? If not then that is not your reward. And yeah, having so many bail out mechanic to cover your mistake and you still lose? Then you deserve it.

[@greedisbad9890]

Dota is harder because its actually a team based game and you have to be a team to actually win the game, map control is way more important and comeback actually felt possible because of it and more hero actually felt more viable League is a game where one guy can steamrolled the whole game, every game pretty much have the same pacing regardless of the champ, but there's more opportunities for outplay for you as a player

[@ancy1205]

Note that harder does not mean better. And in this case, it doesn't mean anything, since everything you said apply for both side.

[@oswaldride796]

Bro, you didnt say about Dota, you said about MOBA GAME where team play is important. What kins of games did you see where 1 person can won game against 5 enemy??? This is impossible except lowest ranged. What actually have also a Dota 2🤦🏻‍♂️. Every Moba game need control mid is important and team play importants🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ancy1205]

@@oswaldride796 Exactly. That why adc in lol are squishy and can be killed no matter how fed they are. You miss your skillshot? You died, no matter how fed you are. Which is the same reason why Dota player complain how they can't carry with adc, while they praise Dota carry as literal Raid boss.

[@kvids155]

@@ancy1205 dude. So you want it easier? Cmon. So easier much better. Test your mind a little bit kid.

[@ancy1205]

@@kvids155 which English phrase you have red that make you think I want it easier? The simple fact that you failed to understand is that this game is player vs player. Hard or easy depend entirely on the player. Try think a little will you? Kid.

[@icroosing]

Dota is harder to learn if you are only mechanically gifted because in Dota you don't need to outplay the enemy in a fight to win, you can just win the game with good decisions like where to farm, when to force a tf or gank, do roshan, take towers, etc and you won't magically turn a fight round with one items less and 2 levels behind. Meanwhile League is easier to learn because the game is very easy to understand, the whole game is based on your skillshots, the items basically just add damage and resistances to the champions, you lose a fight near your nexus you lose the game, doesn't matter how far ahead or behind you were, one bad positioning and the game could end. In dota there are many ways to amend for your mistakes. So overall imo Dota is easier because you are allowed to make more mistakes and get on your feet again because there a lot of ways to do so but in League the only way is to outplay, ie in Dota if you lose all your lanes you can still win the game in a 40-60 odd, in League you basically lost because there is no way to recover without an outplay

[@YamiYugi-np1lw]

i dont get it when people say dota don't need to outplay. like there's way more to outplay in dota with some items mechanic like manta, bkb, and now there's facet and innate ability which make heroes have 2x more abilities to remember now. i play both game and know for sure lol is much way easier. lot of skill shot in lol is predictable because there's literally a sign to where the skill gonna land unlike dota skill like wind ranger W, invoker SS, mirana arrow, pudge hook where there's no indication on their skill. if u say dodging skill is called outplay then I have nothing to say anymore to league player

[@anti-h2894]

​@@YamiYugi-np1lwnot only that, just with the timing of your hero abilities is enough to do a good outplay, shadowfiend with a Raze, Abbadon with the r, Pango with the shield and q dash, same with ember spirit q, r, a terrorblade with low cd Sunder is a nightmate, Arc warden with his w and massive use of items, literally there are a lot of videos of People outplaying very well only with abilites, and in a lot of ways, but this monkeys (same with the guy in the cam video) in the comment box thinks only in League you can outplay with abilities bc one abilitie on a bruiser which gives u dash shield etc is complex xD they forget that in dota 2 every abilitie doesn't gives u a single effect on the most of cases and if it does is original and not that simple to use or mastering at all. Ex: Sven Warcry seems simple to runing fast but ALSO , gives u armor "shield" and it works on aoe plus can give u more armor and being not dispeling of you upgrade it with shard, but yeah for Boring lazy league promedium player it only makes u run faster. Same with a lot of dota 2 spells. (And they forget that in league skill shots the most time are the same shit literally, Morgana q , lux q, hwei w e, hwei qq but only damage but is the same, ezreal q damage, sivir q damage, xerath stun bold, same with brand, fiddlesticks q, annie q if its charged stuns as same, dash ksante, vayne, lucian, ezreal (that shit little flash does the same work than a dash), and i could keep like this all day they are all the fucking same in the most of cases. But yeah hey bro, league is more hard ok? Bc moving to dodge is sooo hard, bc at the end they do the same but is hard ok? . Dota 2 has repetitive mechacins but is very very weird, they change a lot when you upgrade them like sven q and vengeful q are alike but if you improve them, sven reaches now backlanes bc travels with the stun and venge can stun the next enemy target too so its at least original. Very...something league leaks and makes it more easy. Not only bc Knowledge, knowing this forces you to change ur mechanics to play the game. Ex: using an reflect from Antimage well. When to use it or not, same with lotus orb, when to timing a manta dagger or shadow blade for dodge well, but hey bro league is more harder you do not need to time that hard bc the projectile and animation cast is not that fast just move, but is hard bro ok? Is soooooo hard ok? Yeah im better bc league player... like so retarded.

[@seijinko1015]

Dota 2 is like R6 League is like CS2

[@kvids155]

It's true actually. You've released a mobile game. The question right now, which one is better League or Mobile Legends.

[@Dameionaruto]

I've never played Dota 2 but based on a lot of videos and context, it seems more knowledge-based dependant where as league has that same premise but the performance-based (skill expression) in league makes league seem a bit harder.

[@tylerwilson9633]

Dota has skill shots for sure, there is also a lot of map timing and wave control which is important to know

[@tristan8922]

there are a lot of skillshots in Dota still, just not on every hero. After playing both, Dota is the more difficult game to me by far. League's gameplay is faster paced though so there's a lot of outplay and juke scenarios. These juke scenarios exist in Dota but they are rarer and usually apparent in extremely high-level play and involve complex item, spell, vision and movement interactions.

[@h4xnslash900]

What these videos never mention is that you can have like 5 abilites and 5 active items that you all need to activate on the right target in the manner of just a few seconds late game. Theres no flashy combos and not as many skillshots but theres still a lot of precision and reaction required in late game fights

[@Dameionaruto]

@@h4xnslash900 like a raid in an RPG?

[@h4xnslash900]

@@Dameionaruto Ehh depends on your role I guess. For a carry it can be like: First using all normal abilites right (obv) Then hitting abyssal blade on enemy carry to stun then. Use manta to dodge a stun incoming. Use satanic to dispel maybe a silence while also gaining lifesteal. Carries (hard carries) generally have the least. For supports it can be using all your abiliites good. Support ults are usually extremely important so gotta hit that right. Gotta use force staff in my teammate to get him out if danger. Gotta use hex on enemy carry before he has a chance to bkb. Gotta use generic heal item as my midlaner is low. Gotta use glimmer on myself to force enemy to disengage/switch target etc. Pretty much the biggest active a support will have in league is using locket for a measly 200-300 shield that barely matters or shurelyas for ms buff which sometimes matters. As a support in dota you have both more actives but also more important ones. You also get more abilites (or improved/changed abilites) by agahnims shard/scepter which increases the amount of stuff you have to do. As a mid player I dread having to go support when I need priority games since there's so much more to do if you want to play your best. It's probably easier once you're used to it but there's still a shit ton of things to do which I think league players usually downplay just because it doesn't look as flashy. In my experience it's a lot easier to do a flashy zed combo than to hit all my items and abilites right in a late game dota fight. Only difference with skill shots is that you have to take into account the travel time but tbh it's not even that hard if you're used to it. If you have played any kind of ball sport then your subconscious just does it for you most of the time

[@UD.NightWing]

4:28 they just bots @@? TRUST ME if u want to play this game alone u will gone in 2 days/games . Try it when u have a mentor . I have guided many friends from LOL to try Dota and they are almost easily discouraged and do not want to play without me. Too many things for newbies, they even get killed by creeps and do not understand why. Very few new players is also a reason when you do not know anything but meet people who already understand the game, it is difficult to find joy. like who want play a game when you get 0/11 in beging ?? @@ ??

[@Imptrea]

This just in appearently dota doesnt have skill shots i guess mirandas arrow is point and click

[@Insane_Kane]

i distinctly remember a champ that has the same skillshot at different ranges for 3 of his abilities :D

[@silvaquick193]

@@Insane_Kane Its shadowraze from shadow fiend probably that youre talking about. Yea if u see the enemy first phase pick this hero u can honestly just call gg already

[@crow3y__c584]

Pudge hook is on click according to Sneaky 😂 he's so washed lol brain-dead summonses rift enjoyer

[@kairikirri]

Fun Fact: Faker is playing WC3 where DOTA is born before LEAGUE. So technically He came from our universe.

[@jonathanlerner6192]

"Dota has no skill shots" Yea like muerta's dead shot, a skill shot that you literally have to ricochet off a tree...but league is harder and more complicated.

[@danger_man219]

bro u literally just hold q on a tree and aim it like a regular skillshot, ur acting like its rocket science

[@FeathersMcGraw_]

​@@danger_man219 Which League skillshot IS rocket science? Are any as difficult as Ice Blast or Sunstrike?

[@crow3y__c584]

Sneaky is washed as fuck man. No skill shots ? Oh okay so what do you consider Pudge hook ? On click... ? Actual troglodyte

[@RoqueMatusIII]

We skillshot

[@dunkin9443]

Tbh, Dota has a lot of Point and click spells, and some skillshot here and there. Its the other way around in League, most skills are skillshot and some point and click spells.

[@ladymaria7018]

Played Dota RU/EU servers for entire life, and playing right now RU/EUW servers in LoL. In LoL RU servers MT/EUW emerald 2 (playing ranked only for the first time second split), in Dota had 7.5k peak in before-coronavirus era when 8k was really impressive (gods of that era like miracle/maybe had 1.5-2k more than me) also playing in most difficult region EU in Dota is like playing in Korea servers in LoL, and vice versa playing NA/SA servers in Dota like playing some minor servers in LoL like RU/Turkey and etc. So me had a lot of experience with sharks of Dota and unerstanding just a little about LoL saying Dota is a way harder. There is "easy to play, hard to master" in my opinion. The only one thing LoL is far away is shkillshots, but in other, nah. I played jungle main kha'zix, rek'sai, then swtiched to bot adc (ashe Aphelios and sipport janna lulu, also sometimes play top teemo mid hwei) and I see only skillshots skills issues in LoL, basic macro game same for 10+ years of this game pubs+pro matches = lanning phase try to win or atleast to not lose badly, then play around drac/voidgrub/nashor watching on time, win a 1-2 5v5 fights and end game, that's it. All you need is cast spells faster than your enemy, do better combo like playing some fighting game (personally imaging playstyle on katarina/akali and etc as playing mortal combat or tekken) and avoid enemy skills, ALL. In dota you have to do simillar kind of stuff - lanning, then play around Roshan (analogue of Nashor), but also watching time (every 5min day switch night and again) to play with new cases - different movespeed, vision. Also you need to understand every second of game where is enemy gonna play or be - enemy adc can be easily has 0/2/0 kda and has 1-2 slots more than you just farming jungle with some ancient stacks (so there is no jungle role in game specifically so anyone can farm jungle and stack it - when you pull creeps out of it's camp and force to born new, just imagine 3-4-5 reds instead of 1 and etc), also when in comes to talk about micro LoL players always love to flex their skillshots and simply-skills in Dota, but forget many things - You can wear 10 slots of items instead of 6, more than half of them clickable so just imaging you have to press B to teleport home and sometimes Zhonya but almost all your inventory - just check highskills game in Dota (twitch youtube no matter) and pay attention to players items - supports has like glimmer (make you/teammate invisible)+force staff (pushes anyone on map)+stick (great thing, when enemies cast spells you got charges that can gave you instantly mana+health, basic item of Dota)+blink (flash but better)+some like eul/ghost scepter, as for cores (midlaner/toplaner/adc) there is hex (w lulu), bkb (old verson was best, literally being God vs casters), refresher (anothing best thing in Dota, refreshes ALL your skills and items except refresher :) ). So just imagine you have to cast your skill shots perfectly to win game but also keep in mind that you need to press fast and smart your items not only Zhona to stay on same place for a few seconds, but some like travel boots to TP on your teammate or manta style on adc to avoid enemy skills or something like this, wear item only for only one situation on game because its only way to survive and waste it = death. And I dont even start to talk about macro items like Smoke, Gem (imagine you can not only see shape of Shaco but literally see him and right click, maaan), couriers play (not only use it as analogue of tp home on LoL but scout no-vision area, sneaky follow enemy hero when chasing him to always clearly see him, steal enemy items - yes you can drop your items and someone can pick it up). I am deeply convinced that in perfect situation in vaccum only one Smoke in Dota 2 fck entire itemsbuildings in LoL by how important it is and how many ways there is to play with it. Then lets talk about some macro things that you have to keep in mind every match - mechanics. Buybacks - waste gold and be reborn immediately, smoke gangs, night time gangs, play around triangle (old name) and farm ancients, runes on water (invisible, double damage, haste, illusions and etc), tormentor, watcher, high/low ground + trees (is like brush in LoL but if brush had 10+ more applications instead of hiding only, misses on autoattack from low to high ground and etc), I am a little bit tired to type this text so I will be brief: Also you need to keep in mind in Dota mana burning mechanic, deny creeps and sometimes your teammates, modifier of your auto-attack like Q Drow Ranger, W huskar and etc - it is when you can right click enemy on lane and minions will not pay attention to you, scan of minimap (no know is there someone right now or not), interactions with time (freeze cooldown on skills/items for enemies or boost for teammates like chakra magic KOTL or time dilation Faceless Void), boost your projectile autoattack for range heroes (when your autoattack fly faster) witch blade item, interactions with model of hero (to make it slower or faster to rotate like Q batrider), another form of effects - not only stun, slow or invincible like in Zhonya, but also tornado (eul), ghost form (W pugna/necro, ghost scepter/e-blade), forbid on enemy to use skills/items (just imagine you have E soraka on yourself for 15 second and also this E forbid you to use any items - there is R Doom, welcome), break (mechanic to disable all passive effects from your skills like you dont stack armor on taam or morde), decrease of any possible thing - enemy armor, attack damage, even increase/decrease range of cast skills, cast items, auto-attack, possible ways to play - you can buy items in any match to became invincible for magic damage/physical damage, get W lulu as item, get personal E soraka as item, get invisible as item, buy Flash 3 times further and with cooldown for 5-20 sec. Also there is two items I cant compare with LoL items - Aghanim's Scepter and Aghanim's Shard, its two items that absolutealy change hero - add him new skill or improve it, its like Living Forge of Ornn but not for items but for skills for every hero in game, some of it insanely broke like Slark/Grimstroke shards and Vengeful Spirit/Wraith King Scepter), you also have neutral items with random chance to get what you want from jungle minions, backpack for your unnecessary or extra items to switch or something else. In Dota everything works on every each level of game. You free to do anything you want and game will not force you to play one specific style like if its Yuumi so there is only support role with heal buff items, if you want to play like that on Io - go and heal as pos5/pos4 support, want to be midlane adc? Go buy Aghanim, Dominator, Tarasque of something like this, and if you can play this style nobody will blame you, absolutely nobody, in Dota Pro competetive history already a lot of staff that became not meme but ordinary things - Adc/mid Io, mid kotl, support sven, sniper or kunka. Every match is something new you can learn from this game. I love LoL by the way, especially play as Janna with Kog'Maw or jungling rek'sai, but when I remind myself times in Dota, sheeeesh. I dont think any game will ever compare for me with feeling Dota gave me, like Miracle Shadow Fiend escape, Arteezy lifestealer vs Vici Gaming, Collapse magnus ti10, Miracle 1v5 as Outworld Devourer, Topson plays on TI8, Dendi in his prime especially grandfinal TI3 vs Alliance, Paparazzi as my favorite player of all time, any Somnus game, Ame in his prime, Yatoro on TI11, Jerax/Gh/Yapzor plays as roam supports, Mikoto mid plays, Noone in his prime Virtus Pro (to understand how good was Noone just imagine player in LoL in midlane when YOU are pro player and when you watch time its like minute 4 of game early lanning phase everyone level 3-5 and you see your PRO player mid 0-1 or 0-2 and enemy Noone 1-0 2-0 and you (professional player) understand this game is over, he will annihilate entire map, make himself kda like 25-0-5 and end game before 25 min when you mentally gave up 10 minutes ago and its in grandfinal of some tournament). Dude, I got goosebumps by just typing this, just try to imagine how it was to feel in real time. Or catch Miracle prime midlane OG and carry/mid for Liquid before Nigma. Thanks God we have now Collapse to continue this incredible adventure. Im done. So if someone will be curious about my skill in those two games, again: in LoL I was MT RU server, Emerald EUW (I am bad, I know, just playing 1-2 matches per day not even 7 times per week, I dont think I even have 1.5-2k matches in this game, main Khazix, Reksai, Lulu, Janna, Blitzcrank, Ashe, sometimes Hwei. In Dota I was like tier3 competetime player (times when I tried to compete were hardest times ever, before-coronavirus era), 7.5k mmr in 2017-2018, played against almost every pro player in EU, a few pro players from SEA/NA/China (when chinese players came to EU for tournaments), after coronavirus was analyst and coach assistant for a few team competed in TI/TI regional quals, played since Dota Allstars so basically I am mainer of any hero in Dota but prefer to play Lycan, Visage, Enigma, Drow Ranger, Meepo, Phantom Assassin, Faceless Void, Arc Warden. Now I do not play Dota only watch TI, grandfinals or Riyadh, prefer to waste my freetime on Apex Legends, CS2 and sometimes LoL. Thanks for attention!

[@LittleShepherdBoy]

Massive cope.

[@OAlexisSamaO]

legue is literally al mechanical skill pure micro and dota is only macro, team strategy. the overpowered skills in dota with massive stun durations are a equalizer you can be the best player but if you cant move or act you are as good as the worst player, this means that knowing when to do X thing is more important than knowing how to flash towards a morgana Q, the point and click nature of dota skills also remove the skill needed to land skills shots and is replaced with when is better to use it,

[@chanyh0815]

i literally see a 6 slotted antimage get ganked by 5 man and been stun/hex for 20 sec and died 😂

[@itsharuko1538]

It took months for me to learn league from scratch and I had my friends. Not saying Dota isn't harder but I don't see how his video is a fair comparison

[@GasperD9]

dota more complictade cuase more things you have to understand before play, but in process of gameplay isnt

[@kvids155]

Dude LOL just realease a mobile game. What comparison do we need?

[@ru40342]

IMO: It is harder to learn dota but it is harder to master league. I find dota to be very difficult to learn at the beginning (my first hero was panda all the way back in 2004 coz he was so cute back then) but once you have good understanding of the mechanics, most heroes are rather straightforward. 90% heroes in dota require less skills to perfectly use their spells correctly than league (of course dota has invoker, meepo, earth spirit etc. but majority of the heroes can be played as long as you somewhat understand the spells). Harder to learn but easier to master. League is much easier to learn but many champions require much higher skills to master. Most spells are not targeted so it is much harder to land the spells. Also, many spells have secondary abilities. That is why even after so many years of playing league, when I watch competitive games (for both games), it is still difficult to know exactly what happens at times for league but it is very clear for dota. p/s: I don't buy the idea of active items in dota making it harder. Except for a few very strategic items like blink dagger, we literally just click a button to use them (or double click to self use).

[@Alphatoshiro]

Huge cope. LOL is baby’s first Dota. I love both, and both are fun in different ways, but come on man! Trying to defend league as “just as hard” is huge cope.

[@ancy1205]

It is just as hard because what you are facing, or at least suppose to, are another human being, not the system. Chess vs tick tac toe, which one is harder to get a win?

[@yash4007]

⁠@@ancy1205Tic tac toe is a game of draw, so actually it’s harder if not impossible to win. Ur funny

[@ancy1205]

@@yash4007 exactly. Tic tac toe are harder than chess even though chess is much more complicated. Same for Lol vs Dota

[@yash4007]

@@ancy1205 Ur argument doesn’t make a sense, comparing a nearly always drawish game and a game when u can draw too with 2 games where draw doesn’t exist lmao

[@ancy1205]

@@yash4007 No, I compare the absurdity logic of "complex equal hard". And btw being hard does not mean it's good either, but that's another story. The point is, Dota pro player get wrecked badly 5 vs 3 vs Lol pro player...right after claiming that Lol is easy to understand.

[@Ub3rSk1llz]

league players only ever reply with "skillshots" when confronted with the fact that league is ez mode. if every hero in dota had only 1 passive as an ability league would still be easier.

[@miyakohirata8544]

True! Skillshots with virtually no manacost and cd is a harder game. Based sneaky

[@tangoconcorazon1861]

Can you imagine this making sense?

[@atlas-3012]

4:26 "How are these not bots!" They literally are bots. He's most likely playing New Player Mode there where it fills with bots if you can't find real players. Having BKB, Aghs, Overwhelming Blink plus whatever else in his other slots and 7500 gold and Level 30 at 22 minutes is literally impossible in a real game. That coupled with none of them wearing cosmetics and having an ally PA saying 'Pushing mid' shows there are clearly bots in the game. 5:09 He has Blink, is building Aghs, and is Level 14 at 20 minutes. Much more believable as an actual game with real players.

[@DelgaDude]

I don't play Dota but from what I heard from people league has harder micro but Dota has harder macro since there is more things to do.

[@leonidasbraga6074]

In general, LoL has more mecanic skill expression, but characters (heroes) like Invoker and Meepo outstand the dificult of any champ in lol

[@Nightwalk444]

Dota 2 micro is different from League's. Playing Meepo is just an easier version of StarCraft.

[@tylerwilson9633]

​@@Nightwalk444Chen, arc warden, lycan, lone druid, the list goes on of micro heroes

[@Nightwalk444]

@@tylerwilson9633 Yeah and the whole list utilizes a different micro skill than Yasuo, Irelia, Riven, Lee Sin, Nidalee, Fiora.

[@chriss87878]

​@@leonidasbraga6074 absolutely spot on! League is mechanically intensive, but heroes like meepo/invoker/arc warden etc etc are far more mechanically and micro demanding than anything in League

[@Ilham23Channel]

I started playing Warcraft games in 2008. I really know the heroes from Human, Elf and Undead. But until 2024, I am still not proficient at playing Dota 2 like a Pro. Player 😂

[@crow3y__c584]

C9 Sneaky is so washed that his opinion is obsolete, lol. He literally says "this guy doesn't even mention a single thing league does better than Dota, and there is a lot." Yet doesn't mention any of them himself..? "A GAME WITH LITERALLY 0 SKILLSHOTS HAS MORE MACRO???" Lil bro Pudge exists.. 😂 Sneaky wouldn't even get 4k MMR in Dota so who cares. 😂

[@kokorocrunch6615]

Sneaky is immortal lil bro. A rank you will never reach 😭

[@ancy1205]

Let me tell you what is better in lol. Creep denial and turn rate for starter.

[@elgato71]

@@ancy1205 >better you mean casualisation? league is boring as hell in comparison and i say this as someone who played both, literally dota2 with a bunch of mechanics taken away kek

[@ancy1205]

@@elgato71 Take away mechanic? You mean like quick turn, quick kiting, juking, aiming skill shot, dodging skill shot, zoning, etc...? Dota is like player basketball on wheelchair, clunky, with much more annoying micro management. League is like playing regular NBA. Search on youtube Fake Zed vs Ryu. Or Shacomidlane Vs SloppyWalrus

[@ancy1205]

@@elgato71 It bet you are the type who think you can just cram more ingredient into a pot to make a good dish huh? Dota 2 is like playing basketball on a wheelchair. League is like a regular NBA with no bs of the wheelchair.

[@parkerdrake7062]

Says "he didn't talk about the parts of league that are harder" then doesn't elaborate on them. Don't critique a guy's videos without any actual critiques or explanations.

[@imjusttrolling7944]

imagine a game so simple you can play it on a mobile version.. dota2 could never have that kind of simplicity. what a joke this guy is trying to defend LoL. makes me want to scream holy shit.

[@RumelMarble]

came to see sneaky react to him say dota is harder and wasnt disappointed

[@cmz2606]

Dota has a steep learning curve but it's easy to reach the top once you learn it. Lol is easier to uptake but way harder to hit the top and it's just too fast so prediction often is the play rather than reaction.

[@nck952]

I was just randomly watching dota videos at my sofa and broke out in laughter and shock when i noticed that the dude in the camera is actually a dude and not an hardcore anime girl because he looks like the most heartbroken anime girl 😂

[@JButterZJ]

semi finalists in league are divine players in dota, for reference.

[@nlm9587]

Bro is hating to hate huh.

[@chanyh0815]

played both , dota is more fun to play tbh , but it feel sucks when ur teammate is shit and u cant surrender , while LOL u can still have a good game experience when ur teammate is shit , and u can surrender anyway

[@lukapitkanen3333]

This kind of comparison is pointless. Just play the game you find more fun and rewarding.

[@justincronkright5025]

It is by far the harder game. Especially with this massive wand stirring the Dota 2 pot that is 7.36! Haha, skill shots! Creep Aggro alone makes League a Game of Chance, Dota 2 has had its troubles - yet League Creep & Tower Aggro is just non-sensical. Then don't even get me started on pathing in & around them.

[@rayandlow]

Skillshots doesnt mean more micro. What kinda logic is that ?

[@Yoyo-sy5kl]

Play Shadow Fiend, Mirana, Invoker, Pangolier, Meepo, Earthspirit, Morphling, Chen, IO. Then come back and tell me that League has more skill because of trickshots.

[@JButterZJ]

dotais more complex and more deep, thats by definition more difficult.

[@GiulianoVenturo]

"0 skill shoot" AA, bat, besats, brist (agh), clinks, do you wanna me keep going? Dota is harder for a fact. Does it even matter? idk why league player sometime even have a weaker mentality than dota 2 players. I played league and got from bronze to diamond in 4 months and it was disgusting and boring to rank alone. With friends league IS WAY funnier than Dota but for a mile. You can introduce anyone to league and have a nice competitive time in a few weeks, in dota you need at least 1month to even feel comfortable to "have fun". I had so much fun playing league with friends in a year than in fcking 10 years playing dota. Now comebacks in Dota are just better than league, sometimes in league felt more like a lucky event rather than a sweaty event like in dota. Also if you don't think league players has a weaker mentality, have you ever ff? Dota doesn't have ff, you fcking play until a team wins. Also all this comments are from a a bit above avg player. I'm dim in league and ancient in dota. I don't think I could speak into more higher ranks nor competitive esport because that doesn't matter, we're talking about what most ppl feel and think of the game.

[@Jetpistolhaki]

If dota is such a harder game than lol, then why dont some pro dota players just switch to lol to make some big bucks. People like Faker, chovy, knight who are the best in lol have annual salaries from 5-10mil, not even counting the sponser deals and prize money. Faker also denied a 20mil salary from china. From dota fans logic, dota pros can easily beat people like faker. Why stay in dota and be an average pro when you can switch to lol and be a new lol god with 20+ million salary

[@PhamHanrin]

@@Jetpistolhaki @Jetpistolhaki @Jetpistolhaki lmao 20million is a joke and what i saw from a rumor that faker salary is 4-6m usd in 1year and that's a big stpid joke. It's just for the hype. 4-6MUSD while the prizepool of lol esport is just 1m Lmao only braindead clown will believe that😂🤡 ×5 of the prizepool😂🤡 And why dota2 pro's will left dota2 for lol??? while dota2 prizepool is just 15-30M USD??? even the top 5 team of dota2 esport can make more money than your lol top 1 team. You're just braindead low iq that's why u believe on it😂🤡 Even they had sponsors, earnings, etc. because they're famous lol pro player, it's impossible for 20M USD. Only stupid ppl will believe that🤡

[@ayukuro1019]

Dota is way more complex no doubt about that as in has just more systems and mechanics in place that you need to know, it is kinda a knowledge check game, but League is faster and places a lot more emphasis on having fast reflexes, mastering mechanics of a role/champ, because the faster it is the faster you need to execute your plays and movement is also way more important in League. With dota and the turnrate, stuff like kiting and dodging skillshots its much different. In dota you have a lot more time to react to a skillshot but you also need way more time to dodge it and kiting is almost no existent you just need good positioning and long range carries just play turret mode kinda. Your kiting and spacing is usually just using your force staff or blink as a long range carry. So tl:dr to master dota you gotta have 200 IQ and to master League the decisions arent that complex but you need to make them 2x faster.

[@danben6956]

it's zero skillshots but for example you have items that actually have an active and they work as abilities sometimes, while in league you just build the item and forget about it pretty much,you might swap it in late game but most of the items are passive and and league doesn't have followers that you can control or a courier mechanic, and for the average player dota is a lot more complicated at least to get into it

[@ancy1205]

For an average player, dota is alot harder. For high skill player, league is alot harder. Keeping track of low CD, low mana skill shots from skilled players are alot harder than managing 6 active item for example.

[@danben6956]

@@ancy1205 I totally agree, but it's just for the top 10 percent so for the majority of players dota is harder

[@Jetpistolhaki]

@@danben6956 but there are brain dead dota fans that say things like faker is washed because he plays a simple game

[@PhamHanrin]

@@danben6956 @Jetpistolhaki @Jetpistolhaki lmao 20million is a joke and what i saw from a rumor that faker salary is 4-6m usd in 1year and that's a big stpid joke. It's just for the hype. 4-6MUSD while the prizepool of lol esport is just 1m Lmao only braindead clown will believe that😂🤡 ×5 of the prizepool😂🤡 And why dota2 pro's will left dota2 for lol??? while dota2 prizepool is just 15-30M USD??? even the top 5 team of dota2 esport can make more money than your lol top 1 team. You're just braindead low iq that's why u believe on it😂🤡 Even they had sponsors, earnings, etc. because they're famous lol pro player, it's impossible for 20M USD. Only stupid ppl will believe that🤡 wkkekw

[@paquibotlouis2002]

bro fucking boosted hahaha

[@JaxKillsAhri]

Sad to see people shitting on Sneaky for no reason

[@alperfanlar]

I have more than 500 hours in league and couldnt hit even platinum, started dota before week and bro its way better i swear! If you come league it wont take much time to learn it! that guy went 5/33 in his first game like he played moba game for first time while i never touched tutorial and went positive in my first game. Teleport, courier, items etc i learned it pretty easy in my first game, but when i tried hard heroes i got bored because i couldnt do enything. Just play something suits you and you'll be fine its easier than league + game asks you if you played league before so it setting up the options for you!

[@typhus1000]

I've played a lot of both games, dota is harder tbh.

[@Grego-xz9pt]

League has more skill exoression to it micro dueling potential dota dies not uts kniwledge based

[@user-kj5cb1hh1d]

that video has to be godlike satire. theres no way you can keep saying you have 10 years in league and then played only 5 days in dota back to back like that and not have it be a punchline

[@rmachawngte1971]

You don't need to argue just go and play both game and gave conclusion

[@aaronpingol1566]

dota 2 is like a chess while lol is for babies

[@ancy1205]

Dota 2 is like basket ball on wheelchair while lol is like NBA

[@crue-xx]

I dont know who this sneaky thing is, but its unbearable to hear this thing open its hole to produce noise. Please delete this video to save others from experiencing this terror of a reaction.

[@JButterZJ]

there is barely a single aspect that is more difficult in league

[@ancy1205]

Remember Moon, a pro Dota player, getting crushed so hard by tactical in Lol thinking the same things as you? Even more so it was a favorable machup for him. Even more so it was 5 vs 3. Yes, 4 pro Dota player plus a coach vs 3 pro league player.

[@factsaboutsocializing233]

​@@ancy1205try that vice versa 😂 all of us will suck when we will play the game first since it has different mechanics dont be a clown

[@Sir_1nu]

I've tried both but dota 2 is by far twice harder.. all the deniable creep/minions, killable courier who is carrying your item, the extremely long sill cooldowns and extremely long stun duration and to make it worst the insanely slow hero turn rate.. Maybe it's just me but dota 2 feels more slow paced and takes too long to finish a single match and that is not my type sht cuz that is too draining .

[@ancy1205]

Harder to get into. Alot of unfocus yet shallow mechanic. In League, it's physically impossible to dodge some match-deciding combo with human reflex. So you literally have to stop being human to reach top league ceiling.

[@lorenzjuhndomingo3393]

dota is easier cause an ex pro league player that cant make a name transition to dota 2 to win multiple majors, Tofu for example . yeah name someone who transition from dota 2 to league and dominate something

[@PhamHanrin]

@@lorenzjuhndomingo3393 Noob. Lmao tofu who is that😂🤡

[@marcusmeins1839]

And now he is the man of mobas XD

[@donpakundo8790]

Just play both for years (like me).. 15+yrs in Dota.. 7yrs in Lol.. of course Dota is complex like chess.. Lol is like checkers.. but Dota is more enjoyable..

[@ancy1205]

Remember Moon, a pro Dota player, getting crushed so hard by tactical in Lol thinking the same things as you? Even more so it was a favorable machup for him. Even more so it was 5 vs 3. Yes, 4 pro Dota player plus a coach vs 3 pro league player.

[@Grego-xz9pt]

League has mire dueling potential a.k.a outplay and skill expression like amy real life sport dota on the other hand is knowledge based. There is a reason league is more popular because info congestion does not equal better.

[@hkl2007]

League is more popular due to low barrier of entry, same reason football is so popular.

[@yash4007]

Dueling potential a.k.a. outplay and skill expression disappear when u get oneshotted

[@JButterZJ]

i see what is the most complicated. deciding on your gender

[@LinhNguyen-zf9ww]

Do you seen a dota player go to league , got the high rank and confirmed it's easy ?? By the way your 2 year and 6000 rank pretty normal , and dota don't had skill shot ?? I bet for 2 year you can't even touches invoker bcs it's too complicated

[@strygwr]

Biggest W for dota is dota 2 have dota2vs lol as mod in its archive🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sebastianchen8279]

I cant believe a guy this pro could react a video and do a comparison like this. Too man child.

[@juanstar]

League? Complicated????? 😂😂😂😂

[@KentaroDaishin]

very bad interpretation. this is straight bias to league side. he litereally didn't want to know why dota is harder, he just want to push his side of leauge is harder LMAO. very bad mindset from a player that sits on high rank in leauge

[@ancy1205]

After asking around dota fan. The conclusion was Dota being much easier, lenient toward mistake with so many comeback mechanic that enable loser to stall and avoid direct confrontation. Hence the average match in Dota is much longer.

[@KentaroDaishin]

@@ancy1205 so many comeback mechanics definetly makes it harder to win + longer matches

[@ancy1205]

@@KentaroDaishin longer to lose too. And much more opportunity to make mistake. Lol is very unforgiving. Require you to be not only good but consistent to climb.

[@KentaroDaishin]

@@ancy1205 literally everything u said is making the point that dota is harder. so many comeback mechanics, much more opportunity to make mistake, like... u just made the point......

[@ancy1205]

@@KentaroDaishin Doesn't matter if you make mistake since you can come back with so many bail out mechanic. It's call low risk low reward. Compare to League which is high risk high reward.

[@morkidien2486]

no skill shots ? this man has no idea what hoodwink or pudge do . lol huge cope of a pro lol player finding out he's been on easy mode all his life . dota players penta in low elo lol and lol players get farmed in dota that's life.

[@ancy1205]

Remember Moon, a pro Dota player, getting crushed so hard by tactical in Lol thinking the same things as you? Even more so it was a favorable machup for him. Even more so it was 5 vs 3. Yes, 4 pro Dota player plus a coach vs 3 pro league player.

[@oswaldride796]

Dota 2's TI Champion Yatoro: LoL is bad because of Non-target skill. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Lol players so poor that tries to aim with skills. Thats it. Pro gamer is crying about non-target while average LoL-players do this everyday😂😂😂😂

[@japeczon]

Skillshots are not micro

[@wookyman]

He says No skillshots in DotA and dont know about pudge the father or what ever He is of skillshots who would singelhandely carry a lol Game without being a carry and is far older that lol was a thought lulululul

[@alexandreliseev1300]

Dota is harder period

[@lorenzjuhndomingo3393]

thats why tofu won multiple majors and washed up as a league pro player nice

[@PhamHanrin]

Lmao Who is tofu😂🤡​@@lorenzjuhndomingo3393

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Both are hard because you need to force yourself to play this garbage.

[@XinZhinn]

The thing is dota 2 is constantly moving I mean are things you did yesterday but cannot do it again the next day and thats the reason why I drop dota2 but I still watch Ti and still love dota2 but it ain't for me and I that well

[@LinhNguyen-zf9ww]

Where the clip sneaky first time dota ??

[@daghetto101]

It wasnt documented, he just streamed it for years.

[@crow3y__c584]

Imagine saying "he made a video and got it wrong" about the sagelane and hard support, when he was right 😂😂😂

[@Kallut1337]

the picture shown at 2:35 is wrong.

[@KoyomiMojo]

SNEAKY IS 6K?? WORD? I started with Dota and then came to LoL and fell in love with it. I love both (its a different kind of love for both but equal), and I completely agree with Sneaky. My hot take of Dota players, specifically certain high profile pros and their takes on league is that almost 100% of them (except for the ones that say they have no opinion) are completely delusional and/or lying to everyone shamelessly.

[@gzdiggadanke]

Dota is like C lol is like python

[@vinays77777]

O skill shots? Have u played Dota?

[@midlaner7950]

PLAY INVO OR MEEPO TO PROVE COMPLEXITY

[@exoplanet001]

I play dota from the ebginneing, same with LOL, and dota is surely 100% , more complex than that dead end situations game that u say it s complicated:))))

[@ancy1205]

Complex doesn't mean hard. It's just harder to learn. League is much harder to master, but easier to learn.

[@exoplanet001]

They are exactly the opposite

[@ancy1205]

@@exoplanet001 Nah. You simply haven't master the few mechanics league has, which although not that many but have so much depth that make you easily mistake it being easy. Unlike Dota which have alot of mechanics, all shallow. Moon, a pro Dota 2 player got crushed by Tactical in a Lol game, despite having favorable matchup, playing with fewer mechanic all familiar with a Dota player. Thus lost a 5 vs 3 vs pro League player. ...right after blurt out "this is braindead"

[@exoplanet001]

No offense but you are contradicting yourself, how can a game with more mochanics can be easier than one with few ? what kind of mechanics you say that are hard to learn? Hahaha i play League since season 1 and dota sinces is birth . Enlight me what mechanics are hard in league of legends?

[@ancy1205]

@@exoplanet001 Because the game is not about who can use more mechanics. It's about use what you have to beat the player. It's about the player vs player. Not player vs system. Ask any chess player if they ever think GO is easier just because it has much less rule as well as type of chess pieces to remember. Take turn rate for example. Sure you need time to get used to it at the beginning. But you can master it at a certain threshold and be the same as any other master. League is not the same, it doesn't have turn rate, mean the gap between you and player better than you in "orb walking speed" are huge. Even more so at certain point it's only possible with cheat (script, thirdparty software input). Literally impossible for human.

[@Xuejinyuan]

I feel like Dota is the harder game but league is harder because it has so much more players that when you’re playing, the relative level is higher. Simply put, more people are competing to be gold+ than the ranks in dota. So when you’re fighting the equivalent of gold in Dota, the ranks feel weaker than in league.

[@rafaelvargas5333]

what are you an idiot? league players dont know how to use brain 😂

[@NotGyros]

Why is this trans man like this

[@chefmike3794]

Hots is harder than lol

[@Cedisdead]

Does League even have active items? xD