Snipe and Wib Play 40k Second Edition: Episode 2 - A Friendly Skirmish

[@Mrkabrat]

The most important terrain piece of a 2nd edition 40k; The spiked alien plant

[@waggerz]

I saw that as soon as the game started. Best part.

[@Mrkabrat]

@@SusCalvin "Welcome to Catchan, gentlemen!" *Gets eaten by local flora*

[@EthanKristopherHartley]

I thought the most important was the toilet roll sewerage pipe... 😜

[@Mrkabrat]

@@SusCalvin No wonder you needed a third neutral player (or DM) to keep track of things

[@Mrkabrat]

@@SusCalvin If im not mistaken 2nd ed 40k was around the same time as 4th ed WFB, correct? Since 3rd ed (and previous editions) of it had more complexity to it before that point

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

"It's weirdly unclear." That sums up Second Edition fantastically. Even in the White Dwarf at the debut of Third Edition, they basically said "Even we didn't understand the bloody thing."

[@XArctracerX]

That must’ve been a fun meeting discussing the game and everyone there didn’t understand it

[@questofknowledge8788]

Pretty sure 3rd edition on release just said that if something seems broken don’t abuse it...

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

@@questofknowledge8788 Yeah, early third wasn't the most balanced thing in the world. Not "Last Days of Fifth" Bad, but still not great.

[@questofknowledge8788]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Yeah, that being said they left it open to the players. There were literal examples of homebrew rules, and actual encouragement to make your own rules or change theirs if you didnt like it. I miss that era of GW quite alot nowadays where everything has to be meta and if you don't play one of three armies you are basically useless. At least 2nd and 3rd even if you were getting stomped it was hilarious, with random damage tables or symplistic fast passed rules and homebrew wackiness.

[@nrais76]

It's because when they wrote 3rd edition, they were idiots. 2nd edition was the best edition to date, although admittedly, I skipped 4th and 5th, but I knew people playing then at the time. When 8th was being touted, I was worried it would be repeat of 3rd. When the indexes dropped, I saw it wasn't, so >POOF!< my kids are into it now, too, and I transitioned the main game my group was playing away from WarmaHordes 3rd (which was already dead to us) to 40k 8th. 3rd was overly generic, and a lot of us hated it for it. The last straw was plastic models (it was the 90s, so if it wasn't metal, it was rubbish, was the attitude), around the time they repeatedly tried to fix close combat and kept breaking it worse.

[@modhail6908]

Confusion, frantic and bemused consulting of rules and codexes, but lots of laughs: Seems like a typical 2nd ed game to me. :D And yes, please do the terrain vid!

[@secondeditionwargaming]

I've actually done a 2nd ed hand to hand video that would have helped them no end!

[@dambrooks7578]

What he said 👆 these 2nd edition joys, a method that was adapted slightly for Gorkamorka and was marvellous (well before it was dropped like a stone by GW)... Thankfully I only continued with the lot more sensible Blood Bowl, from 3rd edition to now... My teenage days of having a 2,000 paint Space Pups and Imperial Gaurd army made out of metal and weighing a metric ton that I had to cart around on a bicycle 🚲 to a mates house for battles, which involved a bunch of teenage boys arguing over the rules... Happy days 🙄 I dread what that room would have smelled like with four teenage boys in it. 🤢

[@davidshea6272]

'I'm sure they got FAQ'ed a few times.' Take it from someone who was there. They didn't.

[@stalker1983]

I think there was 1 faq for all of 2nd edition “tear up the virus outbreak strategy card”

[@mrspeigel3593]

@@stalker1983 there was one like 2 page faq towards the end.

[@stalker1983]

@@mrspeigel3593 remember if it was in White dwarf?

[@mrspeigel3593]

@@stalker1983 it was, they dropped a few things here and there and then compiled them into a two page spread. Wargear rarity, virus bomb, wolfguard assaultcannons, clarifications on displaced fields and teleportation that's all I can remember of the top of my head.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

There were a lot by the time 3rd kicked in. I consult it to this day!

[@pauliusthemad3498]

A little episode based on those old GW terrain making books or just making home made terrain would be quite great to be honest!

[@Del_S]

And maybe rooting through some older White Dwarf issues for scratch build terrain tips before they started just selling us the modern Adeptus Ikea stuff... I mean, it's nice and all, but there's just something special about a unique handmade ruin with its own quirks.

[@Bluecho4]

Same. Would absolutely love an old school terrain video.

[@tigerstein]

A terrain making episode sounds like fun.

[@richardbradley2335]

ive got huge amounts of scenery but need to know how to make a chain link fence

[@johnashley-smith4987]

I would suggest plastic window screen, cut it so you get the angled pattern like a chain link fence. Use any suitable sticks or even lengths of sprue for fence posts

[@Del_S]

@@richardbradley2335 One way could be to get plasterboard tape, which is usually about 50mm wide so it can be used for tall fences or cut it in half for shorter ones, but more importantly is already in a kind of squared mesh that should be ideal. Use bamboo skewers as fence posts, set them out on a base of some kind - for megacheapness even use popsicle sticks and drill holes for your bits of bamboo, you should get about three posts in one, for two sections of fence. As the tape is slightly adhesive it can hold itself in place to let you use superglue to make it a stronger attachment. Should be simple and cheap. Insect mesh will be a tad more expensive for a little bit less material overall usually, but it is a bit tougher and being wider overall can let you do the angled approach, like John Ashley-Smith says, but since the plaster tape is so cheap and self-adhesive it might prove a useful addition for terrain making in general even with the insect mesh approach. It's generally about £5 for a 1x1 meter square, while the tape is about £1-3 for a 90 meter length that's already at a useable (but less versatile) width. Both options will give you plenty of material for a set of fences though. You'll likely need sharp scissors or a sharp knife for both, though honestly the scissors approach may work out overall easier.

[@richardbradley2335]

@@Del_S Oh bless you

[@Bluecho4]

@@richardbradley2335 Get some drywall mesh tape from the hardware store. Stretch it over a frame made of wires or toothpicks or something, sticking out of the basing material of your choice.

[@ShallowVA]

There’s something kind of cool about those terminators slowly approaching, wading through waves of bolter fire… That classic space cactus is adorable! More 2e terrain!

[@vattmann1387]

@@SusCalvin Ahh the days of guard not getting saves unless it was frag grenades ;) On a similar note the vehicle upgrades and war gear was crazy back in the day ie vortex grenades and electro hulls etc

[@reallyidrathernot.134]

That's how all my 2nd and 3rd ed games worked. Just rolling dice to see if the shooty side could kill enough of the close combat side before they got into combat. (That and characters having a bunch of bullshittery cheaty rules.)

[@Agamemnon2]

It warms the cockles of my heart to see the classic styrofoam and toothpick cactus on the table. They were such an iconic part of the GW studio terrain collection at the time, and featured in countless shots of miniatures.

[@Navigatortrue]

To add that real air of 1st/2nd edition you needed to have a mix tape playing with Motorhead, Iron Maiden & Crass playing in the back ground and a leather jacket needs to be visible in the background.

[@josephgarvin3998]

Wib is wearing a chequered belt, I think that's got it covered tbh (though maybe that's really more of a 3rd edition thing?)

[@Navigatortrue]

@@josephgarvin3998 check belts are 3rd onwards, if there were wearing ether Convers hi tops (red, blue or bkack) or Doc Martin's.

[@lynnmoore3684]

Naw, Bolt Thrower.

[@vattmann1387]

@@lynnmoore3684 That's More Rogue Trader tbh

[@stephenmackay1959]

I’d love to see you guys have a crack at the “Battle of the farm” mission at the end of the Rogue Trader rule book using the original rules.

[@Decrepit_biker]

Nearly 30 years later and I still remember the rules.... and was saying the rolls you needed as you worked them out 🤣

[@secondeditionwargaming]

Haha, me too. Would love your opinion on my 2nd ed rules videos!

[@Decrepit_biker]

@@secondeditionwargaming I'll have a look and subscribe 😉

[@vattmann1387]

It could have got even more complicated with grenade spam lol!

[@lewispoma5257]

Great video! Just one thing: Chaos termies don't use storm bolters, they use combi-bolters. In 2e, this means you roll once for hit, and each successful hit inflicts two hits.

[@ralphwiggam7630]

One "hit" means you roll to wound the same target twice ... both shots hit in unison ... so yeah

[@latro666]

Not 100% correct. You could take storm bolter armed post heresy terminators, they just cost more pts.

[@ralphwiggam7630]

@@latro666 The problem is that the only way to access real stormbolters is to buy an entire "post-heresy" terminator squad ... and then pay an extra 50% just because it's "new" ... So yes, you can have real stormbolters for your Chaos ... but be prepared to pay an exorbitant premium price!

[@Drewscipher]

Would like to see the creation of terrain. Don't some of the older GW books have instructions on how to make your own terrain without having to buy it from GW?

[@salamanda550]

From my knowledge, one of the ones I remember from White Dwarf was "Put books under a blanket" XD

[@robertbryce3225]

They had a book specifically for making terrain using materials not sold by GW. It was in the same line as the painting books. Good material to pick up if you ever find a copy

[@SnipeandWib]

That was the exact book we're going to use to make things from haha

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

@@SnipeandWib does it include a crashed version of the deodorant stick vehicle? Will be looking forward to seeing what you come out with by following the tutorials 🙂

[@kidjalworks]

Used to be loads of this, especially in white dwarf. Modular terrain boards, templates to cut out and build card terrain using cereal boxes, how to cut and finish polystyrene terrain, loads of stuff.

[@michaelgrey1351]

Ah, Second Edition melee.... the world was just not ready for you.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

Absolutely! I've done a video on it just as a learning aid!

[@neverness92]

Yet it remained the default rules for Necromunda for quite awhile. I think those rules worked best at the smaller scale / skirmish level.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

@@neverness92 Absolutely agree! our last dozen games have been narrative skirmishes using 2nd ed rules straight up. Works really well, I'll have get some battle reports posted!

[@N0-1_H3r3]

I have fond memories of Banshee Masks, and their ability to just prevent enemies rolling any attack dice when the Banshees (who were movement 6 in a movement 4 world) charged.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

@@N0-1_H3r3 Take an Exarch with banshee mask and give them the leap exarch ability and watch them cover half the board on a charge!

[@hfar_in_the_sky]

"Nobody wins! Nobody loses!" "Actually that's a pretty accurate description of 40k lore in general." Ain't it now! XD

[@GermanNightmare1976]

The Final Liberation soundtrack makes me happy to this day. As does seeing some love for 2nd edition.

[@sceneryj]

I recently started playing FL again, and its still so much fun. Great memories.

[@christopheraaron1255]

I'm not sure love is the right word...

[@benjaminstorace6699]

"I hate you, but nice." -The spirit of gaming in a single phrase

[@HereticalKitsune]

Playing second edition with third edition terrain and eight edition models, so weird! Would love to see more of 2nd Edition for sure!

[@Mikey__R]

Can I plus one this? I'm enjoying this 2nd ed content so much!

[@secondeditionwargaming]

I've got a few 2nd ed rules videos over on my channel, they may scratch the itch!

[@Del_S]

Getting the 2nd edition appropriate minis could have been a battle with eBay. A bit quicker and simpler to just use the modern ones that won't really be much more expensive given that even a good deal on OOP minis is going to be on par with current prices. And I unfortunately need my metal chaos terminators and my 2nd edition monopose marines because THEY'Z MINE THE PRECIOUSES IS MIIIIIINE. And also lack some of the options Snipe and Wib actually took, I think.

[@geckipede]

For the full 2nd edition experience, you definitely need either vehicles to bring out the data sheets or psykers to open up that entire game within a game phase.

[@lloydhendric1281]

For the full authentic experience you also need to add all the cheating and screaming at each other, so you can pad it out too a four hour game.

[@idioticnerd7748]

@@lloydhendric1281 yeah your not wrong. Most of it was because of the confusing as hell rules

[@secondeditionwargaming]

If you need help with 2nd ed rules I've got a few videos on my channel, with vehicle rules coming next!

[@secondeditionwargaming]

@@lloydhendric1281 That's EXACTLY how it was!

[@secondeditionwargaming]

@nd ed rules are one big grey area!

[@Hozak]

I like to imagine that first kill with the missile just picked up the terminator and flew them away.

[@vxicepickxv]

That terminator was actually shot all the Eye of Terror. The missile still hasn't detonated. It's just stuck floating in the warp to this very day.

[@lasgunsroses949]

Man, that took me back! That last combat draw reminded me of a game instore during Ichar IV where my Wolfguard Terminator with lightning claws went up against a lictor. Two to three turns of draws until my Space puppy ripped its head off.

[@lasgunsroses949]

@@SusCalvin Yes, they were used in Necromunda, can't remember what Gorkamorka used. One of the reasons why I still play Shadow War: Armageddon!

[@gordonwiley2006]

Little did snipe know that wib was referencing Archibald Blough, discoverer of the ancient pigments lost since the Dark Age of Fashion, that the ultramarines then adopted as their color of choice.

[@MakCurrel]

Vibe: Now we're going into melee. Which is a absolut nightmare. Me saying out loud to the video: YES!

[@secondeditionwargaming]

The video I've done on 2nd ed hand to hand would have been a big help to them.

[@0n0a0m0e]

I'm very happy that this involved the true star of the channel, small ball cactus.

[@danajadzia3390]

"and you just have to say you're find even though you're not fine" was amazing. That whole video was 100% nostalgia for me. Although I'll never understand why people think the melee was confusing, but then I was playing Tyranids & Genestealer cult at the time so I got very familiar with it very fast.

[@euansmith3699]

The Final Liberation music always gives me a little thrill. It really added to the 90's atmosphere.

[@XArctracerX]

I love the ending nobody wins! But it also means you have to fight again to decide the winner which means more little plastic men fighting against each other content which is great

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Little Plastic Men and Women! Snipe's Chaos Lord is female.

[@XArctracerX]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Oh my apologies you are correct

[@Potacintvervs]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer I thought space marines were only made from male children by the Emperor's decree.

[@guitardunce7571]

I've enjoyed this a hell of a lot more than most battle reports, even if 2E is a godawful ruleset, exactly like early D&D and Shadowrun. MOAR!

[@justarandomname420]

Mashed potato brain could be a serious condition. Consult your doctor. Thanks for the OldeHammer! It's the best of Hammers.

[@benkerby4827]

Remember chaps, chaos terminators don't get storm bolters they get combi bolters. 2 shots, not sustained fire ;) Know your enemy!

[@SnipeandWib]

Thank you for mentioning this since this comment is how I learned that they just changed the rules for twin-bolters different between the main wargear book and the Chaos Codex. Oh GW... never change.

[@benkerby4827]

@@SnipeandWib no problem. 2nd edition is second nature to me, I never moved on to 3rd and played 2nd edition exclusively until a few years ago when I moved away from my gaming mates. Keep reading the rule book and it'll make sense eventually. Page 43 of the rule book on multiple combats might be worth giving another look at. +1 combat score and attack dice per additional attacker.

[@schmeatmcmeat1587]

I can't get over how cute of a couple you guys are. Best Warhammer channel by far

[@dungeonsanddobbers2683]

"I don't know how it works" 2e in a nutshell, right there.

[@johndavis9674]

Right at the beginning "It's weirdly unclear" That pretty much sums up 2nd ED.

[@foxdavion6865]

My first encounter with 40K was in 1997 at a friends place when he bought a 2nd edition Box. At the time I was really into Lego and I scoffed at the idea of spending a lot of money on plastic I had to go to the trouble of painting that wasn't articulating like Lego minis or I could build stuff with like lego blocks. He told me that's not the point of it, it's a game system and the joy is in playing it with dice and painting the models. A kid two years younger than I was, explaining to me about how Warhammer was cooler than Lego. While I was at his place he was also showing off Warcraft II to me as well. I visited a GW store for the first time when I was there, it was really cool for me. This was a year before 3rd edition released and back then the store was full of models which were all bright colours, all the tables were either a bright green flak or grey spray paint over sand and plastic sheets (plastiboard) with those cardboard and plastic building props to look like city ruins. Eldar was *really* popular at that point; I remember they had two starter tables, one with Warhammer Fantasy, the other with 40K and the 40K table had Eldar verses Space Marines and the Fantasy table had Bretonnia verse Beastmen. At the time I humoured him; I never got into the hobby till two years later in 1999, during the second year of 3rd edition.

[@MansMan42069]

Makes me wish for a miniature wargame that has articulated models

[@GalianMode]

Spiky ball alien plant, perfection.

[@Tinblitz]

Here's hoping for an upcoming video on building a "Wrecked Roll-on deodorant hovertank".

[@BryanDouglas44]

12:54 encapsulates my entire 90s WH40K experience.

[@TimothyEdwards]

“Is second the edition with awful over complex combat rules?” Yes, yes it is.

[@Mikey__R]

And yet are still simpler and faster than they were in RT. I've got with WD with the new revised rules in, 150 I think.

[@richardbradley2335]

i think awful sums up a lot of subjects to do with GW

[@Mikey__R]

@@richardbradley2335 its so perfectly bad, in such a good way!

[@richardbradley2335]

@@Mikey__R geees tell me about it...8 armies i ave

[@Mikey__R]

@@richardbradley2335 I've started collecting a 2nd ed Eldar army. It's built and primed, mostly, I just need to get it painted.

[@chtulufhtagn1344]

Shame that you never ended up making another episode of this, it was really fun

[@StephenGraves]

It's so weird hearing the 2nd edition rules being described as "so weird," since they're the only 40K rules I know.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

Hah, me too! I've good a few 2nd ed rules videos on my channel, always glad for any feedback!

[@daveno774]

Yeah me too. It's the best edition I assume.

[@MasterShake9000]

I’ve always wondered if 2nd Ed rules with more modern style melee rules would work well. Really love this retro battle. Hoping for more! 2nd was my main and favorite edition of 40k (and the hobby in general). I loved the smaller armies and the general ability to equip most models with whatever you want (eg Assault Squads, CSM squads, most Ork mobs taking mixes of power weapons and plasma pistols).

[@adamfox1669]

Try bring and battle channel. They do 2nd ed games. (Others too)

[@secondeditionwargaming]

I've got a few 2nd ed rules videos over on my channel, more to come!

[@booradley1138]

"Who are they wearing?" "ULTRA by Roboute, the new shade for men."

[@andytechdad]

aaaaah this brought back some memories. Most of these rules I think are still alive in Necromunda.

[@marcwittkowski5146]

Since just the cactus already triggered quite the nostalgia, I would definitely love a video in which you build era-appropriate terrain. Loved the video, thanks for that :)

[@QW-xi4xj]

Got to love the Final Liberation nod.

[@mrchom]

Commissar Holt is still my mental model for a commissar. Final Liberation with the Land Raider patch and Paladins unlocked was great.

[@Gfloresadam]

Lol at the renaissance of a joke 😂 loving this batrep so far!

[@Halogodzilla12343]

The idea of the terminators wanting to make friends while in actuality slaughtering people like the Pyro does is something that I now headcannon.

[@MikeDavison]

Ah my favorite edition of the game (I am old, started in '87 with RT). Good to see 2nd ed. getting some play.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

I've got a few 2nd rules videos on my channel, with more to come! come over and get your fix!

[@MikeDavison]

@@secondeditionwargaming I am there and subscribed! Thanks!

[@uglyweirdo1389]

All hail the weird alien cactus

[@Looshkin1]

This takes me back 25 years...

[@Dagenham_Swish]

34 minutes of Snipe and Wib playing 2nd edition? Christmas has come a week early!

[@secondeditionwargaming]

I've done a few 2nd ed rules videos over on my channel, if you fancy getting ready for their next game!

[@owenbevt3]

shooting into combat: thats how my Chapter Master fell to a friends allied grot - who wasn't even aiming for him but the hive tyrant he was happily ripping apart.

[@cbst6w5]

Great video guys, I played tons of 2nd edition in the 90s with my best friends. Also, I recognized the Final Liberation soundtrack instantly! You definitely brought back lots of nostalgia!

[@Chipperz1]

I may be a mutant here, but I grokked the 2nd ed. combat rules practically instantly. I can neither explain nor really even parse HOW I worked them out, but I absolutely understand them. Also, some era-appropriate terrain would be delightful! EDIT - Also, I cannot wait for someone to discover Antiplant Missiles and take a shot at the Weird Alien Cactus...

[@chrishomenuk15]

Awesome video ...really took me down memory lane ...when my buddy and I played 2nd Ed on his pool table ..I was the 20 space marines and he used the 20 ork boys and 60 Gretchin !!! And card board ork dreadnought...one again Awesome video 🤙

[@ProjectThunderclaw]

That strategy table is so fucking funny. It is absolutely peak GW to just casually be like "yeah of course space marines at better at strategizing than aliens who have thousands of years of military experience AND CAN LITERALLY SEE THE FUTURE"

[@wolvz7081]

I’m old and this is the only version of any miniature game I’ve ever played (bar Heroquest/ Space Crusade) and watching this brought back floods of memories about how to play this game. Strangely for me I can’t imagine how you play 40k without these ‘roll to hit’ ‘roll to wound’ ‘roll to save’ rules. Aren’t they done nowadays? I suppose you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

Stick with the old tricks! I've done a few 2nd ed rules videos on my channel, feedback very welcome!

[@ericmumper6821]

Very nostalgic. I remember how incredibly how hard terminators were in this edition. Looking forward to the vortex grenade in a future episode.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

Haha, vortex grenades were always banned, by gentleman's agreement.

[@kglguy]

Vortex weapons: the bane of every GW game they appear in. They added vortex missiles to the new edition of Adeptus Titanicus, and they're still obnoxious.

[@ericmumper6821]

@@kglguy you say “bane” I say “hilarity”. You haven’t lived till the vortex grenade sucks in the model who threw it, an entire unit of models, and a nearby building. 🤣😂

[@secondeditionwargaming]

@@ericmumper6821 Ha, yeah good point. I might do a battle report with just vortex grenades!

[@johnashley-smith4987]

The vortex grenade was an auto include for our games!

[@neverness92]

There I was going "I wonder if Wib knows that all (as in EACH) marine could have lobbed Krak Grenades at those Terminators". I don't think the opportunity was really ever there to do it, but it would have been awesome if he could have pulled that off.

[@glenmcinnes4824]

Also I just remembered, Army Commanders are Independent Characters, they don't come as part of Units but can join them. IIRC Marines can have 5 man Veteran Squads, IIRC you could buy a Squad and give them all the Options (including Wargear Card for the Sergent) and attach a Captain for around 500pts.

[@MrClassicor]

Yupp, this is what we used to do for fun "back in the day"... mission cards and all that good stuff really helped around some of the more awkward elwments of the rules though

[@friendshipbearer2519]

A classic matchup between Ultramarines and I can’t believe it’s not word bearers.

[@Daktangle]

I think "no premeasure" was because of Guess range weapons like mortars and Whirlwinds. They carried over into at least 3rd ed, and you had to guess with them first before measuring. Damn fiddly and time consuming, but felt really good to land the template smack bang in the middle of an enemy unit. :D

[@MakCurrel]

Ahhhh sustained fire dice. Nostalgia!

[@theshuttingdowns]

As someone who used to run 2nd ed intro games and store weekend games, we generally did away with the combat rules as written because otherwise a) No new person would ever play the damned game, and b) saturday games would have taken forever. It did end up roll number of attacks to hit and then roll to wound, just to keep it moving, and I know we weren't the only store to do that, and funilly enough it's how 3rd edition did things! Trust me, you guys did good for 2nd ed newbies!

[@DanielSwindlehurst]

Yes. More please. Lots more. Playing odd-size games with ancient models and home-made scenery whilst having a fairly loose relationship with the rules is absolutely my jam, so this was a delight to watch. Delight. I would enthusiastically, well, as enthusiastically as I can, demand more of this. Demand's putting it rather forcefully. It would be wonderful to see more. More units, more terrain, more story. I really enjoyed this by the way. Just wanted to make sure I got that across. Love you bye Edit: Love that red shirt by the way, very dashing. Snipe, everything wonderful.

[@jenslorbeer5307]

Awesome! We have just started to play 3rd edition again and we are having a blast, it’s so simple and fun.

[@pokeric]

I could watch y’all describe paint drying. Love your chemistry.

[@13bboom54]

Best edition IMHO. If I recall correctly, storm bolters roll sustained fire die first , get result, unless a jam, that result # would be the shots then roll for hits then wounds. SO should of been each termi would of had a minimum of 1 shot max of 3 shots if no jam is rolled. Good to see you two keeping the game alive!!!!! Awesome video!

[@HerrBud]

That alien cactus with the cocktail sticks! I think I still have the White Dwarf that shows you how to make your won terrain pieces (including the cactus!)

[@dmeep]

I must have been good all year to get my christmas gift this early

[@Steelwolf171]

Great video! Another scenario that might be a lot of fun is trying the "Battle at the Farm" scenario from the original Rogue Trader rules. Our gaming group tried it back in the 4th edition era and Rogue Trader plays completely differently (it's more of an Rogue in a lot of cases) but it's a lot of fun.

[@Powoga]

3:03 You know, I'm glad I don't actually know how to play 40k and therefore can't get mad when you get a rule wrong, because I am the sort of person who gets annoyed when someone says "a dice" instead of "a die". Some people say I must be fun at parties, but for some reason, I never get invited.

[@grimmuzz]

I'd love to see a terrain building video. Maybe a retrospective on the old card and Necromunda bulkhead sets to go with it?

[@Hiddenronin]

Loving the Final Liberation music. Pure Nostalgia.

[@willsuttie3683]

Love the grungey Final Lib music :D It took me an embarassing amount of time to realise that T-shirt says "motORCycle" and not something about orcs!

[@MannyKunV]

21:12 im legit just listening to this battle report and my head turned the second i heard "just charge me daddy"

[@Gorbz]

As an oldie, I very much appreciate the Final Liberation music clips.

[@Trashloot]

I love this series. Could we maybe get some short highlight snippets or a diary type of thing from the off camera battle for an intro of the next video. Just little clips like: "Hey guys we are currently playing one of our training matches and we found out that ..." I don't know i just want to experience the learning and discovery phase with you guys.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

I've done a 2nd ed hand to hand combat video over on my channel, if you want to get ahead of the curve!

[@secondeditionwargaming]

Not going to mention any of the mistakes as the spirit of the game was great, very enjoyable! Feel free to check out my 2nd Ed hand to hand video, in the vain hope it may help to clarify things!

[@MarkAndersonAudio]

All my memories of 2nd edition involve unkillable chaos terminators. Getting flashbacks right now.

[@MajorSvenGaming]

Of course the missile launched missed... The clues in the name... All my dudes carry rocket launchers, much more accurate.

[@anneliseolsen6896]

This was a nice trip down memory lane. Not that I played 40k during 2nd ed, as I started playing in 1998. But I have used the 2nd ed 40k rules, as they were also used for the 1st edition of Necromunda. Also. Yes please, to you making more videos in this series. Even if it's just making terrain, as many of the GW produced, and the homemade pieces of terrain from that era can easily be adapted for use with the current edition.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

I've got a few 2nd ed rules videos on my channel, with more to come! Feedback welcome!

[@Nortonius_]

“Allegedly” Hey-o, it’s Snipe and Wit

[@mikemarcotte5962]

Hell, my group uses this close combat system to this day. Yes, it takes more time, but we find that it makes melee more epic and narrative.

[@ravensroost3224]

This was very fun! I do hope to see terrain building yes, it sounds like it could be very cool!

[@happpyturtle2424]

Love second edition's melee.... If it was used for an Rpg/dungeon crawl but for a wargame its really drags the game down.

[@MakCurrel]

I'm pretty sure the unit can make a 2'' follow up for the whole squad after a combat round

[@idioticnerd7748]

It's only for the singular unit if they get a kill. Though it doesn't matter if it's your close combat phase or not if you get a kill you get a follow up

[@secondeditionwargaming]

@@idioticnerd7748 Correct! All explained in my video!

[@idioticnerd7748]

@@secondeditionwargaming holy crap an actual 2nd Ed channel I have literally been looking for something like this for years. I still only play 2nd Ed with my uncle's this is great

[@secondeditionwargaming]

@@idioticnerd7748 Very cool, feedback from seasoned 2nd ed players is very welcome!

[@Rurtanar]

Ok, the game was great fun and all, but the real hit is that "naked geralt in bathtub" action figure on the tv stand.

[@TrisTime]

You guys should totally do a video on oldmunda/Necromunda inparticular community edition (available through yaktribe) it's basically 2nd edition but with gangs rather than armies and some rpg advancement, great smaller scale game.

[@FearlessSon]

I got into 40K in the mid nineties with Second Edition, so this has been a nostalgia trip for me. Regarding your query near the end, I have to say building terrain was actually one of the more appealing parts of the hobby for me (and I'm a little sad the hobby seemed to shift away from homemade terrain toward more purchased kits.) My father was a professional set designer, so I could use the workshop he set up in the basement to do things like cut terrain bases out of scrap wood using a stationary jigsaw, something the "How to Make Wargames Terrain" guide Citadel published in 1996 said was "ideal" but also "impractical" for most people. Oh! Speaking of, reviewing and then building using the techniques in that book would probably be a great thing to do for the channel. Fits your theme and would be quite fun to execute on.

[@whos-your-mate]

Era appropriate terrain - bean tins and egg boxes 👌 That was brilliant, well done 👍

[@MADSAHAD]

I have said on other videos, I am a fan from just before the release of the 2nd Edition box set and a few of my friends and my three sons are now having a blast playing 2nd edition WH40K

[@secondeditionwargaming]

If you need help with 2nd ed rules I've got a few videos on my channel, with more to come!

[@MADSAHAD]

@@secondeditionwargaming I am a pro at 2nd edition i also spent the past summer hunting down the 2nd Edition codex books 👍

[@thomassaxon8254]

With multiple strikes in combat you do need to alternate if you've multiple melee weapons/pistols as well. So if the Chaos Lord had a pistol plus power claws, then the first attack could have been the claws, the second the pistol etc. In this instance the pistol would have been using its ranged profile (I'll admit I can't remember the full load out of the Chaos Lord). Also for melee - if you've a basic weapon it's a minus 1 modifier to your dice roles.

[@CthulhuOnCam]

I got this codex when I was a weeeee baby geek. I remember 2 rules! Rapid Fire, if you don't move you shoot twice and if your ork falls off a vehicle while your moving it, he counts as having falling off and has to do his own thing. I also remember my dad who nether understood or cared about 40k, reading me battle reports from white dwarf. It'd among my fondest memories cause the poor man must have been so confused but he knew I liked it so powered through

[@U2QuoZepplin]

Luv the 8bit video game sound track for the intro. Oh and is it a foregone conclusion / blatant hint because Wib has decided to wear a Star Trek redshirt (oh the irony)

[@NicoleShrinks]

Below is an exhaustive list of everything that they got wrong with this game! . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ahh I'm just joshing ya! Move along, and Merry Christmas!

[@StephenLeaSheppard]

Legend has it that Space Marine Captain and that Terminator Lord are dueling to this day.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

Would love to see more. 👍👍 2nd edition remember that edition well as a youngster and dreaded hand to hand combat lol

[@CaptainTrollbeard]

Really happy you are gonna continue this series, looking forward to see you suffer through the vehicle rules. Also, great choice of soundtrack as always.

[@secondeditionwargaming]

I've done a few 2nd ed videos on my channel that would have helped them, vehicle rules to be posted next!

[@johnashley-smith4987]

Vehicles were most useful when flipping and exploding...can't remember many times of them doing much else!

[@secondeditionwargaming]

@@johnashley-smith4987 Yeah, or transports exploding and killing the entire squad inside