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[@ConnerTheWaffle]

To be fair SNL did add their own creative liberties Like making the video unfunny

[@Vaughndaleoulaw]

Yep! 😂 I told my wife, “oh, so after having months to prepare, the best they can do is taking something pretty funny and make it completely unfunny.”

[@AndreaMartinez-qu1be]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! That is accurate. When I saw it I thought it was awful.

[@TheWebbliest_Official]

SNL is a sad husk of what it used to be. I'd be more likely to cheer for their demise if it wasn't Kenan Thompson's bread and butter. It's really too bad there isn't a another sketch comedy show that his talents wouldn't be wasted in.

[@Magknot707]

@@TheWebbliest_Official John hit the nail on the head

[@misfortuneentertainment]

Lmao you literally stole this joke/comment from the SNL video’s comments, how ironic

[@kalakazam6562]

What truly gets to me is that all these big media companies don't mind stealing other people's ideas, but absolutely flip their lid if it's ever the other way around.

[@Btpm2010]

In a word, money.

[@Xylus.]

Heck, even when they're credited and it's done in fair use, they still flip out

[@losersinc]

Copyright doesn’t matter to multi million dollar companies until it affects them.

[@Kevlin0069]

Big media companies have an army of lawyers to go on offense with every claim. "Content Creators" are lucky to have just one lawyer to protect themselves with.

[@coolerthanafrieza4726]

Yup lawsuits out the ass but when they do it its fair game…

[@sleepy_onion4838]

If it’s any consolation this is straight proof you’re a better writer than the folks at SNL.

[@randybugger3006]

Not a high bar to clear

[@madmaxiemartialartsnerd485]

@@randybugger3006 These days at least, the writing has deteriated so hard on SNL to the point it's depressing if you were a fan of the orignal series.

[@bariatricfood]

Anyone could have told him that.

[@YouPeopleAreObsessed]

SNL was always meh guys

[@WindyLionGames]

400 liked person

[@ursidae97]

They couldn't even have him say "mom Dad, i wanna be a journalist" they had to do everything exactly the same

[@Dr.OctaviousSpencer]

Tbf the trope of kid going against parents idea of their dream job for the child almost always has the kid wanting to do something that involves dance. I’m not saying it’s not a rip off. But the premise is a common cliche in media, we’ve seen it in Billy Elliot, High School Musical, Footloose, etc.

[@MissBlackMetal]

For real. I think the TIMING of these two videos is extremely important to note, too. His own instance of a coincidentally similar joke came SEVEN YEARS after Aunty Donna's version, while SNL's came very soon after his was released (unsure of the timeline). All things considered, I think it's entirely obvious that the folks at SNL either *blatantly and knowingly stole his joke, or they subconsciously stole it, which is something that happens ALL THE TIME in creative ventures.* Joel just has the absolute class to STILL give them the benefit of the doubt and to say "it's not a big deal to me, *but I also acknowledge it's not a big deal because I'm at a place of success where that is possible." * The class of this guy!

[@SuperionMaximus]

To be fair if this was an intentional rip off by SNL writers, then the fact that there were SO many points where the two sketches could have been different but weren't, suggests that said writer(s) never thought that they would be caught red handed copying someone's work who has over, at the time of that video what, 1.5 million subscribers? Coincidences can and do happen.

[@papa._.burkett3535]

@@Dr.OctaviousSpencername 3 more movies. You can’t.

[@Dr.OctaviousSpencer]

@@papa._.burkett3535 Bring it on, I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry, Kinky Boots. If you want to put in some effort on your part instead of expecting me to hold your hand like a child, you can search it on TV Tropes, you’ll find more examples.

[@howardhavardramberg7160]

It’s okay Joel sometimes we just gotta let the small creators like SNL believe in themselves

[@timopper5488]

Nice one. 🤣

[@guillermoelnino]

yeah, seriously. MY channel grows more than SNL.

[@silverblue73]

They'll make it some day, or you know, not

[@zeriel9148]

@@silverblue73 Hopefully not

[@CursedRose200]

SNL trying hard to stay relevant.

[@uydagcusdgfughfgsfggsifg753]

It always amazes me how big budget productions like SNL manage to deliver a worse version of the thing they’re copying

[@phantomspaceman]

They have to water it down for people that watch SNL.

[@Masked_Official]

Well, its to be expected. When I copied my friends homework, I purposely made it a little bit worse so it didn't seem I copied. Same thing with simulation theory.

[@BowerBomB]

Because its passionless...

[@brianosterman456]

SNL is notorious for stealing ideas and being unoriginal. There are so many former members who talk about the toxicity of the creative environment there where they are actively encouraged to steal from each other

[@beefynfn]

They try too hard

[@1Someone]

"I have to recognize that im in a position to not be bothered by it" jesus, very true thing to say. i actually love this, thank you for putting this out there

[@SpammingY-pp2ru]

I like how you describe SNL's delivery as "louder than life"

[@jeralgrant]

Joel took a video he knew would be viral (the title, the controversy, the content) and turned it into a billboard for creators he appreciates. What a solid dude.

[@vcdarkin]

An inspiring and uplifting example of how we should act.

[@Elymyntal]

Much yes. I’ve never seen Joel before today & I'm pretty delighted by his vibe.

[@Dwane77Loki]

"Kill them with kindness" comes to mind

[@parkerriggs9166]

Joel is honestly one of my heroes now

[@bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854]

@@Elymyntal he's absolutely hilarious and charming you should do a deep dive on his content it's all very fun and funny both live action and cartoons

[@metalguccisolid]

This is so charitable of you, Joel. I would have had no idea SNL still aired if it were not for this video.

[@SugeryGold]

What is SNL??

[@hambino_maybe]

(btw i'm not that dumb ik that its saturday night live)

[@Zyptic]

SNL went woke then broke. Now they must steal content cause they're broke

[@shi77e20]

@@hambino_maybe good on ya!

[@Hellbunnyfelicia]

Oh my god 😂😂

[@dylanroyer7602]

This is a ridiculously sane and mature take.

[@guthax30]

Successful people usually just let this happen and keep making good stuff. “They stole it? Oh well, on to my next project”. Glad you have that attitude

[@saltymedpac3943]

thats fucken wrong. look at all the copy write claims nintendo makes

[@alanstringer.]

@@saltymedpac3943 this is why you're nobody

[@saltymedpac3943]

@@alanstringer. sweet, thats the only thing i can hope to be. because id rather be a nobody with taste than some normie that cant think for its self. and i call u It because the only single unit of thought u can muster up tht is diffrent is weather to put ketchup or mustard on your crappy opinion and call urself a human.

[@alanstringer.]

@@saltymedpac3943 lol okay whatever didn't read

[@saltymedpac3943]

@@alanstringer.right, more like couldnt read.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

I couldn't stop laughing at the point where Joel was essentially just like, "well at the end of the day SNL is small potatoes to me at this point and even if they stole my joke they delivered it in an unfunny way so it's not even like it existing hurts my video either way."

[@Flowilty]

deeestroyed em

[@mortlmusic8948]

Boom roasted

[@dannnyc93]

I could barely make it through their video, Joel is way funnier.

[@johnnybensonitis7853]

Damn, I didn't get that vibe at all but I can dig it. Would've been cool if he had went into it like, "I don't really think SNL stole my joke. They clearly tried but wasn't able to pull it off, but hey, they try their best over there despite the lack of talent so gotta give it up to them. I'm just lucky to be in this position where I am able to put together jokes that people will recognize as comedy, but I don't wanna hate on anyone at SNL since it must be hard running a comedy show without any comedy. But hey, no hate, I'm just really glad to be here and whatever."

[@Thanatos2996]

@@2bb-2 you've gotta try harder to troll than that, man. At least strawman his actual statement on the matter; you'll get a much better rise out of people if it's plausible that someone could have actually watched the video and formed their wrong opinion from it.

[@thenirvashe74l]

This dude is the kindest guy ever lol. Has his stuff stolen almost straight up, and just brushes it off and uses the topic to spread the love for other awesome creators out there. Good job man. KZbin needs more Joel's out there

[@Octobris]

It's a shame because while it's admirable, it lets SNL off the hook. No consequences mean they will steal again.

[@Raxilla]

Seriously. This was so Refreshing to see

[@casualfocus1371]

I love this gut i dont always get his videos but i found his yt channel right at the beggining and i have loved 90% of them literraly to the point my ribs hurt

[@thespider-man2596]

Yes. You don't subconsciously Borrow somthing 1 to 1

[@Gdgaiennie]

Joel is a national treasure.

[@GPTvoyeur]

You took a situation that reasonably could have bothered any content creator and handled it with such grace, tact, and humility, even using it as an opportunity to give praise and attention to creators trying to reach a level of success you've already achieved. What a gentleman. I started following your channel because I appreciate the effort you put into your content, and you're genuinely hilarious. Every time you take these moments to monologue about creator struggles, you come across as a very thoughtful and grounded person. I am pleased to support your channel. So, thanks Joel.

[@Oogaboogabooboo]

That’s gotta be the BEST way to start a video like this. Just a quick “hey, these things happen. These things happen a lot more often than you’d think, but this… this is too blatant” 😂

[@gigabytemon]

Did... Did Joel just look at a big corporate entity stealing his idea and say, "Well, yeah, coincidences happen I guess. But since this video is probably gonna get a lot of attention, here are a bunch of other people who make cool stuff too"? The level of wholesome this man is is incredible and I love all of it T_T

[@bodyofhope]

He totally did. Legendary.

[@321Vietnam1]

These are my exact thoughts of this man. Keep it up joel

[@sarcasm-83]

SNL will look into all of those channels I bet! (I'm just joking, not meant to frame this into something negative and yes this was really an awesome way for him to take this and spin it into something useful for smaller channels. Very cool!)

[@THExRISER]

666th like, what do I win?

[@Gaze73]

I would sue, no mercy for big media.

[@SimpleToons206]

Just goes to show what an incredibly wholesome guy Joel Haver is. He lets SNL off the hook and on top of that, he sheds some light on smaller channels trying to grow a big audience.

[@joewilson3393]

Sharing some of the limelight from SNL maybe kinda sorta taking his bit to improve other creators.

[@thikim8562]

ok

[@aurum316]

@@kurochan1911 smartest weeb in the universe:

[@jinratgeist]

@@kurochan1911 /whoosh much?

[@dolandarkerest761]

@@kurochan1911 your reply is in due of another edit

[@kpag3030]

They definitely stole that shit. One hundred percent. I appreciate you giving them the benefit of the doubt and just moving on from it though. That’s the right way to go about something like this. If they did it again though, gloves come off. Lol

[@SpiritofAloha11]

Joel - eh... it's weird but I'm grateful and happy. Joel's headline copywriter - *cracks knuckles

[@itsdavidmora]

Joel has displayed a new level of KZbin enlightenment: 1. clickbait title 2. but it's true 3. and he's super thoughtful about it and 4. actually it's all just to push underrated creators ❤

[@tomtamjimjams]

I love the progression of this

[@HarambaeXelonmuskfans]

The numbers are there so TikTok users can understand the comment. Just an explanation if it seemed weird to anyone!

[@ripzy7671]

He knew this video would go viral so he decided to use a good portion of it plug his friends. Such a nice thing that goes easily overlooked. Thank you for being awesome.

[@alaljarensi6990]

And that was a thorough deep plugging as well.

[@jackminehard]

Still don't care

[@fugit3485]

@@jackminehard same i didnt care after 0:52 just wanted to how he felt stopped after all the plugs

[@smokejc]

Joel is one of the most wholesome content creators out there.

[@jamesmandahl444]

@Thelema "wholesome" is a word destroyed by redditors. Now anything weird is wholesome.

[@user-mz8oq9bh1l]

Your style of comedy is so refreshing. The first video I saw was "It's not working" and I was laughing so much, and I was so surprised that this type of content exists. It's just pure quality. It's intentional and I love it.

[@malware_samwise632]

the fact id never heard of these bears before Right Now, and ur being so humble and awesome about it all?? top notch bloke

[@gabe3095]

This guy is either genuinely the most wholesome creator out there, or a massive genius using this as a way to both prop up smaller creators while making him look infinitely better in the process rather than calling out mainstream media

[@kudolemon9888]

life is black and white... after all..

[@bigguy7353]

Mainstream media SHOULD be called out. Frequently and without fear.

[@q8599]

Both

[@JamesV1]

He is 100% wholesome, and also a genius.

[@Call_Upon_YAH]

Jesus Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him. True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and *drastically* change for the better! Those led by the Holy Spirit do not abide in wickedness. *God is ONE manifesting himself as THREE;* the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him! *For these three are one.* As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him. Anyone who *claims* to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, and where I am doing it; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them, they lack understanding. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.

[@TDTProductions]

Incredible humility. Incredible rationality. Absolute 100% respect, my dear sir.

[@YuriUnlucky]

Oh snap it's you

[@kalebseymore9625]

For me It actually solidified the probability of them completely biting it unashamedly

[@br3nd3n8r6]

Now this was a crossover I wasn’t expecting

[@Shockedemoji803]

Whoa TDT

[@realBattIe]

This guy

[@transcendcapitalism]

wow - how wonderful to turn this into an opportunity to shine light of small creators. that's so awesome of you!

[@lifeislife7070]

The best example I've seen on how humility brings charisma and respect.

[@kedo]

joel is a truly good hearted dude. for real. he could have easily made the video that everyone was expecting trashing SNL, but instead he chose to do the opposite. massive props joel, we see you and we appreciate you being a source of light and decency in an age where both are desperately needed

[@redwards3457]

He probably just knows that it would be a huge fight that he probably couldn't win against SNL and their lawyers. They would deny stealing his idea , and it would just be a huge hassle for him to go through all the BS. If the situation was flipped around though, and they accused him of stealing an idea for a skit, they would sue him into the ground and own his channel and all it's content by now, and then garnish his wages for the rest of his life probably. SNL hasn't been funny in years , so they probably sit around all day looking at youtube for ideas to steal.

[@SWWonders]

He should have since SNL now is just full of unfunny talentless hacks

[@khoury]

@@redwards3457 He’s demonstrated kindness and class repeatedly so just dismissing it as knowing he won’t win is kind of disregarding his history and pretty damn cynical of you

[@JanHoos]

came here to say this :D what an approach to the subject, kudo’s Joel! really nicely done :) :)

[@willywakka7830]

Fr he flipped a potential accusational call out into a wholesome shout out video. What a guy

[@timothyschadewaldt6481]

SNL could never duplicate the style of humor that you deliver. Its so unique and leaves me laughing yet feeling slightly empty and I don't know why its so addictive.

[@ryangainey94]

True, but SNL still needs to cite their source material. The sketches are presented differently, but the plotline is basically identical.

[@joewilson3393]

Joel did it better.

[@Solaceon]

SNL's writers are old and writing content for people who still care about cable TV, the kind of people that you have to tell exactly what they're supposed to laugh at. They're crippled by that honestly. Your average viewer under 30 would rather watch higher quality, completely original content from average Joes like them.

[@KantHandleThis]

Its quite existential, his style of humour lol

[@Abdega]

It’s like Pringles

[@VorpalSlade]

The biggest "me personally I'd never let that slide" reaction I've ever had

[@shawarmagames1689]

You guys are way talented. You invented your own variant of comic sketches.

[@hollym4051]

Joel just gave everyone a college education in being the bigger person. So much respect for him!

[@brassattacks2411]

At his height, even more impressive. I'll see myself out now.

[@africaart]

I am going to copy his video. I am sure he would convince himself it is coincidental.

[@paulw5039]

Everyone is now in debt to Joel for $100,000.

[@willissudweeks1050]

It’s not being the bigger person. It’s bending over to a force he couldn’t combat even if he wanted to. Fuck SNL

[@willissudweeks1050]

@@brassattacks2411 Dumb as hell

[@pastapirate]

Joel's attitude towards art and content creation has consistantly been so admirable and genuine. People like him are the true heart of internet culture.

[@ozersari8315]

And thats a FACT!

[@AlexK-sk4qb]

I wish

[@cypressbutane4575]

Definitely an inspiration and I wish it were moreso this positive and generous but one thing is for sure I just subscribed to some new channels!

[@tylerking439]

Human culture, his reach goes beyond that of the simple interwebs.

[@boibongo4647]

I love that how he took something bad and turned it into "Here is who inspires me." That's awesome

[@lorenzosciuga8559]

I love this video, I really admire how well put and responsible you are , it really and I mean really helps to see someone set such a good example, at least for me and what I'm used to see from KZbin creators. Btw, imagine if SNL reacted to this video, and the reaction was 10 seconds long, and they just go "yeah no we stole it, sorry haha" Wait what if they do this idea, would that be stealing? What do I do in that case? Well I could just watch this video again and remember what a responsible person would do ZINGGGG GOT YOUUU

[@TheDeadman419]

I have never heard of you before, I saw the video and thought it was gonna be someone dunking on SNL (I'm immature like that), but hot damn do I now have the upmost respect for you. Being transparent with your own experience of accidentally using an idea that's been done, giving SNL the benefit of the doubt, and then giving free shout outs to talented content creators, all for the sake of spreading positivity. Class-freaking-act man. I applaud you.

[@Ottophil]

At least you admit you’re immature

[@LuccaAce]

He basically gave away the way he does his animation style for free. He's an amazing, wholesome, brilliant, funny dude. I love his animation work, especially, but it's all fantastic

[@thebluerodriguez4085]

Yes, is immature to dunk on millionaire corporatives. And don't forget it.

[@TheDeadman419]

@@thebluerodriguez4085 I mean, dunking on anyone over the internet is immature when you think about it, considering all the things I could be doing with my time. Yet here I sit, typing out this comment…… fuck I gotta go outside or something

[@jbmp1390]

Maybe learn something from his example and stop being immature.

[@CodyBrandt580]

I really like how chill you are about it. I'm sure most people would understand if you were freaking out and angry and wanted to sue. But it takes an extremely confident creator to be so calm and happy that someone stole one of their comedy sketches. Props for being the bigger man.

[@ranranj1245]

Kevin, what a great comment. Thanks for sharing.

[@DeftestAphid2]

Sue.... with the money it'd take and the sad possibility of not winning.... not being considered.

[@gantz4u]

As some one who gets ripped off of IP all the time Im glad he has proof, and youtube algorithm picked it up so its a lot of free advertisement. both ways, for allowing some grandpa show no one watches to steal his IP to try and stay relevant.

[@yurrickhunt9707]

That’s cool but also sue

[@Mystical_Zeus]

Such a bad attitude to have to the big corporations that steal people's creativity and profit much more due to their larger audience

[@Militia623]

What a mature, real, and well-thought-out response. I would not have responded the same way, and I envy that about Joel.

[@Chiaros]

Thanks for the Wizards with Guns shout out, loved that

[@maximummax29]

I love how instead of getting pissed he was humble and even highlighted other creators. What great dude

[@mattmaas5790]

seems pretty pissed the way he says he's not going to say a bunch of things he proceeds to say he is definitely not saying

[@artemisspawnofzeus7732]

@@mattmaas5790 hes addressing the accusations made by his community against SNL. the stuff that hes definitely not saying hes repeating from his community. Like, he kind of has to adress it. And i think he adressed it in a very mature and reasonable way

[@R__A]

@@mattmaas5790 I’d be pissed if i was him lol what is your point?

[@dohboi6987]

Yup, my thoughts exactly 😎 What a true professional gentleman!

[@BuzzingGoober]

Sorry, but those unfunny fucks at SNL should not be allowed to get away with this.

[@kait711]

This is an insanely mature response, I really appreciate you using it as an opportunity to uplift other creators. I think you definitely have a right to be rubbed the wrong way, but if you’re comfortable with the situation that’s all that matters.

[@alastairward2774]

It feels like the healthiest (mentally) way to deal with it.

[@Bittamin]

Imagine The Act Man responding this calm to something

[@JE47556]

NO U

[@alexwood9941]

So mature that it’s borderline *insane*

[@tommywendt6118]

Right?!?

[@Marx1684]

3:44 Holy sh*t. My man. I’ve been collecting on my own but you just shared all these goods.

[@Bernatchly]

Man, kudos to you for taking this incident and making it a gigantic video of positivity ❤

[@jonjcc2014]

Wow, humble, forgiving, promotes his friends. How wholesome can one guy be? This is the inspiration we need. The world needs more Joels, there can never be enough!

[@MrBunghole666]

Dude take your tongue out of his ass Jesus.

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

You put it on YT! YT most prob have a lic agreement with them so its all legal!

[@mr.brenman2132]

@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 It's plagiarism.

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

@@mr.brenman2132 Well for starters thats nothing to do with copyright issues! Which this case is and even copying a non protected work is not breach of copyright! Also they might actually have legal ownership of the video under a lic agreement with YT! Plagiarism is not illegal!

[@mr.brenman2132]

@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 Who tf is talking about legality? What, are you just looking for an argument? It's a violation of honor and a code of ethics.

[@Tores444]

The fact that you admit to being in a position where it doesn't bother you shows how much better of a content creator you are!

[@lockedin6699]

Very respectable

[@cgill914]

I was like wow, that is now a new goal in my life to be in a position where I don’t need to be bothered by setbacks like that. Actually inspired 🥺

[@Quicks1lvr]

@@2bb-2 make sure the food is stacked nicely in Walmart

[@Quicks1lvr]

@@2bb-2 are the Russians in the room with us too?

[@herecomesaregular8418]

@@2bb-2 You seem to be so lost in the legal state of the Charmin Bears that you missed the fact that they copied this KZbin creator's skit and delivered it in an unfunny way sans any kind of credit whatsoever. That's alright, you'll get em' next time champ. Just look a little harder for nuances or even distinct, logical differences. Or maybe just be a little more intellectually honest? You'll figure it out, I believe in you.

[@tpotNintyNine]

Just found you today. After watching some videos that both make me laugh and one that made me tear up and now seeing this… you truly are a kind and talented soul who I hope is successful for years to come. Seems like you truly enjoy it as well which is the most important thing!

[@StrongMed]

This is incredibly gracious, and a great response to the situation. Hopefully SNL acknowledges this as well, but wouldn't expect it.

[@ExtremeSquared]

They are probably more likely to acknowledge it via a successful TOS takedown of this video.

[@himethisisme]

Not a fan of SNL, but if I were in their shoes I would never acknowledge it unless it were literally undeniable. As soon as they acknowledge it they're opening themselves up to lawsuits. I wouldn't be surprised if a writer half-watched his video and remembered the concept, but not that it came from a video. Personally I think that's probably what happened since SNL has more than enough of a talent pool to write their own material. Major props to Joel for giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[@StrongMed]

@@ExtremeSquared Sad, but true!

[@TimeBucks]

Super humble

[@wasifali5175]

Great

[@attazia604]

Nic

[@pavanchavan2658]

Nice sir

[@manueldasilva4395]

Very good

[@tomokokuroki5216]

verdade

[@Jazzy--]

Man took it like a chad. Happy for everyone and as long as his stuff is appreciated, he's good

[@tylerb.gaming762]

It’s just like grade a under a said one time “It’s not actually stealing cause one’s funny and one’s not”

[@TheGameCache]

Imagine being the kind of stand up guy that has his work stolen and your response is to turn around and hype up other content creators. A truly kind and benevolent response. The world needs more of this.

[@Motorsportsinjapan]

Not a good policy at all, people not being held responsible or accountable for their actions these days is why we're in the mess we are in socially.

[@WafflePancakes1314]

Nah, he should have sued.

[@Tw0Dots]

eh…prob shouldnt normalize it. Other companies will then do the same. Give them an inch, blah blah blah. Not that Joel’s in the wrong

[@Mr.Skeleton.]

That's actually very unhealthy thinking.

[@sankara5ever]

@@Motorsportsinjapanhow is he gonna hold snl accountable 😂

[@PizzaTHutt]

It's not exactly a secret that the SNL writer's room is a den of thieves. They steal from each other all the time, this won't be the first or last thing they steal from actually talented creators outside of their own bubble.

[@diamondnova7598]

How can you tell they steal from each other?

[@Klara0014]

Exactly, it has especially been worse the past 10 years or so

[@Tony-Gunk]

they've stolen a handful of bits from Cumtown in recent years not only stealing the premise but literally repeating the same lines verbatim in some cases woke sopranos was the big one they ripped

[@tyj5721]

@@diamondnova7598 there are a lot of interviews with ex writers and cast members. Apparently the whole job is incredibly cutthroat and full of backstabbing since everyone wants to get their skits produced. It's not the fun collaborative project they make it seem, it's more like a constant fight for the spotlight.

[@michaliskossyfas1253]

Well that's a bold accusation with zero demonstration.

[@nicktalks1676]

The fact I got a Charmin ad before the video is just icing on the cake lol

[@JosephDewey]

This is probably the classiest video I've ever watched. And all your recommendations seem really cool, so I'm checking them out now. Thanks for being an example of the kind of person I want to be.

[@TeriyakiTakeout]

Imagine being so confident in your content that you’re mature enough to take an opportunity like this to bring other creators into the light. Like, absolute mad respect. I know I wouldn’t be able to do something like that in your position.

[@Beunibster]

SNL writers are binging these channels right now

[@larryhoover2541]

Yeah despite his good message, I'm still pretty sure SNL stole that shit hahaha. Good response on Joel's part though. He def should have still called them out (though he likely never would have been able to prove it in the first place, I guess).

[@ngonzales3781]

snl sucks nuts

[@HTFFanOfFlaky]

@@SwitchTF2 does everything look like a show to you or just everyone who is better than you

[@ninetailedfox579121]

@@SwitchTF2 Found the EA executive.

[@DavidVandemark]

It can’t be overstated how good of a guy Joel is. Like, wow. This is the most mature and open minded response to something like this I’ve ever seen!

[@heliumnetworking5103]

He defends copywirte bc he has copywrited. So moreso defending himself in a weak position in the way the wi t cause backlash from his idea taking again and again g

[@marasmusine]

I can only aspire to be this well adjusted.

[@DavidVandemark]

@@heliumnetworking5103 either way, I deeply respect his diplomatic and kind approach to this

[@heliumnetworking5103]

@@DavidVandemark idk seems pretty hack and lame to me. As a e.g if he had his wife murdered by SNL. But he had murdered the wife of Aunty Donna and came out with a statement that 'hey murdering ain't so bad it happens meh my wife may have been murdered but hey who can blame them, let me change the topic also to fill out this statement with random shout outs' Like I guess kudos for not being a hypocrite but also thats more to save personal face and being called out for the same 'crime' then any diplomatic statement Other obvious senerio 'Hey snl murdered my wife let's which just them!!!' Crowd: hey didn't you murdered the wife of Aunty Donna, let's which just you too"

[@DavidVandemark]

@@heliumnetworking5103 your comparison seems a bit over the top, honestly. But I respect your opinion

[@LanceAntisin100]

this was such a funny sketch, i love how joel acts like a normal guy.

[@benoody6766]

I love you Joel, you sure know how to handle situations with thoughtfulness and grace

[@SubParHobbyistDrums]

Not only does Joel pass this off as not a big deal to him, but then uses a lot of the video to promote similar creators. This man is a king.

[@mattmaas5790]

I feel like he wouldn't have made the vid if it wasn't a big deal to him

[@kait711]

@@mattmaas5790 it was an opportunity to bring other creators to people’s attention. I can’t believe you’re pillaging this comment section trying SOMEHOW to find immaturity in this response lmao

[@mattmaas5790]

@@kait711 I don't even know what pillaging a comment section means but he doesn't need a specific event to promote his friends or favorite creators, so that excuse doesn't land with me

[@Zeik56]

@@mattmaas5790 If you watched the whole video he pretty explictly says his reasons for making this video. The situation got a lot of attention and instead of using it as an excuse to be angry or rile up his viewers he wanted to use that attention for something positive and promote stuff he does care about. He can't control the attention, but he can influence where that attention is directed. It's also the best way to address the situation and put the issue to bed. Now we know his stance on the issue, so we can respect it and not go on some crusade in his name.

[@R__A]

@@mattmaas5790 lmao you’re pissed at him for promoting his friends? Why? Why does this bother you😅

[@ValkyrieXI2]

You have things SNL will never have. Integrity, creativity, quality and most of all, your content is actually funny.

[@RiggedDynamo]

Well, never have AGAIN. Those older sketches still make me laugh.

[@coolerthanafrieza4726]

@@RiggedDynamo usually the best ones are because big names like will Farrell the main cast is poop to the max

[@MrProctorShow]

Thank you for these recommendations. I think SNL should hire you to do a special episode.

[@korrinuwu]

this was really wholesome and nice to watch

[@Alex-vm6ef]

never heard of you, clicked for the drama, ended up being really impressed by the grace, humility and selflessness w/ which you handled this situation. actually inspiring reaction, I don't think I would've thought to do the same in your position and probably would've been really tempted to really assume the worst/

[@ranranj1245]

Damn, Alex. That’s great to know. Thanks for sharing.

[@weakw1ll]

Alex, thanks for commenting. Thats awesome as hell.

[@kryph1]

Thank you Alex, very informative

[@FuhrerHeisen]

Love the positivity! Keep it up Fam!

[@rorgorr2339]

thats called being a cucold

[@scottjones9973]

I love your attitude, perspective and kindness to other creators. I doubt you need to hear this from me but you're a content-making machine. That's bigger than any one idea and nobody can steal that from you. Not to mention recommending so much great content for us! Thanks, this video is terrific.

[@Yamthief]

I frickin' love you. You've taken a situation where many lesser individuals would have undoubtedly reacted either aggressively or negatively, and you've turned it into a positive like no one else could. You took 'being the bigger man' to a whole new level, promoting some excellent other channels. If more people were like you, the world would be a much better place.

[@nickdg3851]

Seriously, this is why we love Joel

[@Instanence]

I thought of this joke well before this "Joel" skid did. This isn't something that's super original. Just some random person who decided to film it. In fact, we should be ashamed of this Nobody for being so reductive. And don't try to argue or disagree with me. Because you yourself said to not be aggressive or negative. I'd hate to call you a hypocrite

[@jacksmith4460]

I dunno, I think he should hold them to task (if he can) its a matter of principle, they have not payed him, just stolen his Idea repackaged they will make Millions of ad revenue from that, and if he does not challenge it, he runs the risk of them challenging him and trying to pretend they own the IP. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Also not contesting this in a certain amount of time actually says legally "i dont own this", thats part of copyright law, you have to make efforts to enforce it to take it too court and win, or not lose if they try to screw him later down the line. Because equally if they did that he could legally end up being ruled as not the owner of the IP. I agree his attitude is really good from an emotional and human POV, but from a legal POV he should look into it for his and the sake of others like him, if possible

[@2hedz77]

​@@Instanence LOL...sad troll.

[@user-ku7ek9sg3e]

What a top bloke

[@d2OutsiderArt]

In an SNL Drama/Theft video - you go out of your way to not just brush it off, but you plug a bunch of great channels and share a bunch of new stuff to us. You're on a whole other level of being a great dude. You're amazing.

[@jadiellima8922]

I was thinking about that: woah, that guy communicates from a really nice level of being

[@royriley6282]

It's okay, I will hate SNL a little bit more to make up for it.

[@ving3642]

It’s not surprising, I remember reading stories from comics saying that lorne michaels (SNL creator) was banned from many comedy clubs in the 70/80s for stealing bits to put on his show.

[@orangemonkeykiller]

I'm actually so glad SNL stole your video because it meant that you introduced me to Wizards with Guns. They are so underappreciated and consistently funny with amazing production values

[@jessicope]

Joel takes the imitation = flattery route, and then promotes other folks. I appreciate the way you interact with the world, and the way you look at things from different perspectives. Thank you for being encouraging, inspirational, and kind. You're awesome!

[@mattmaas5790]

it's important for him to take that road because both of their videos basically copy the premise of high school musical

[@inkwell6131]

Too many words I’m not reading that

[@ianmacdonald4163]

@@inkwell6131 The process you went through to write that comment absolutely took more time than reading the original comment.

[@BradGreer]

"I have to recognize that I'm in a position not to be bothered by it." What a thoughtful and healthy perspective to have.

[@iang8905]

Lmao I didn’t expect this video to be as a direct and mature response as it was

[@MichaelJesmer]

Love the attitude you have towards this man. My dad is literally a person who believes that Eminem stole my dads style in the 90s, that Game of Thrones ripped off his DnD campaign and book idea, and all sorts of fucking nonsense. I used to tell him that "They say 1000 people have an idea, 100 people start working on the idea and 1 or 2 people complete the idea." But hes a lost fucking cause. I genuinely believe SNL blatantly ripped you off though but your attitude towards this is really commendable. Love your vids man, i binged all your videos when i was in treatment last year and dont know why i didnt sub but i fixed that now. Keep on keepin on brotha

[@robsant6582]

This dude is so classy. Gave away a new animation technique so others could create and now turns what could have been a good dig at the mainstream into a shout out for the little guys. Joel you are nothing short of inspirational, keep it up you diamond.

[@UnsignedHypeHOU]

shows how dope Joel is. he knew this videos title would bring a lot of people in and used most of the video to shout out other channels. truly a stand up guy

[@HakureiReimuOfficial]

I'm pretty sure he's more of a skit guy, occasionally animation too

[@UnsignedHypeHOU]

@@HakureiReimuOfficial I'm very aware lol been subbed for maybe a year now, I'm just pointing out how I like his approach and delivery on this topic

[@HakureiReimuOfficial]

@@UnsignedHypeHOU I see you're not much of a getting the joke guy

[@pepi560]

im pretty sure he was sitting throughout the video though

[@HakureiReimuOfficial]

@@2bb-2 imagine being this wrong

[@aviatornic2839]

Legit still watch Wizards with Guns ever since this video when they make new skits. Youre a legend Joel

[@Greenmachine305]

SNL are a bunch of hacks. Your content is gold.

[@edwardbaquet8393]

You're a class act, Joel. Not everyone has the self awareness to realize that as lame as this sort of thing is it doesn't steal from how well you've been doing, and even less people would pivot that to point to others who create as emphatically as you or the SNL cast does even if it doesn't get such high views. That said I'll be sure to do more than pat your back. I'll do as you suggest to support the community by watching a film noire about doodoo pants.

[@Vicus_of_Utrecht]

Lol you are haven't created anything of value in your Life so you have no actually understanding of being robbed. Someone taking credit and profit off your Life that spent doing said things is just ok? That's mental slavery. Kanye had that right.

[@daylen577]

@@Therealbigmonster They've been going downhill for years, I guess that's what happens when you push out all the actually funny people and only leave the low effort high ego personalities

[@josephkeenan6753]

Joel is the pure definition of "Kill your enemies with kindness". Love you man, you deserve every bit of the success you currently have and much more!

[@eimearnighriofa1116]

Aw Joel - gracious to a T! While I find the coincidence peculiar, if everyone limited their ideas to checking whether its been tried before then we would have no science, no medecine, no laughter. Only found your channel recently and am LOVING it.

[@Pwnopolis]

A well balanced and professional way to view this. I both feel for ya and appreciate someone behaving like a normal adult these days. Best to you and your channel!

[@matteotarantino758]

How you turned this into a sweet genuine gesture to smaller channels is awesome. I think your whole attitude is great, you're just accepting it and I think a lot of artists would have trouble doing that. Proud of you

[@Jizzlewobbwtfcus]

Ye it's super rare these days. Infact I'm not sure I have EVER seen any creator react with such humility but at the same time confidence to just carry without any bluster.

[@ryangainey94]

Nice as it is, I think SNL still should be doing something like this for Joel. Or at least recognize that 90+% of their sketch was plagiarized and give credit where it's due. Because let's face it, if Joel weren't so nice, and he wanted to sue, I'm pretty sure he'd win. SNL needs to acknowledge Joel and apologize or at least recognize his work publicly, regardless of whether they intentionally stole it or not.

[@Anchor-Supreme]

As much as I respect you basically letting SNL off the hook, you really should hold them more accountable. Corporations tend to steal ideas like this all the time and give no credit, and it’s practically criminal.

[@fishtaco2996]

As much as I hate these things happening, it’s unfortunately not possible for many small creators to sue and confront corporation about these things. Many big corporations have large legal teams, and they will find every excuse to not take accountability. Even if they directly ripped off a piece of art, a script, or design.

[@sleepydragonzarinthal3533]

He promoted channels that are funnier than SNL, so in the long run he is hitting SNL in the wallet if only a little bit. Otherwise he has to pay out of pocket for lawyers, take a bunch of his own time, and potentially lose, which would encourage SNL to steal even more ideas without penalty. This video may not be a big hit, but its a guaranteed hit at no cost to himself, in fact his response will probably earn him more money directly with views, and also earning many more subscribers in the long run, which could end up being more valuable than what he may have won in court.

[@cosseybomb]

Most likely not much he could do

[@cosseybomb]

@@sleepydragonzarinthal3533 that's a stretch

[@sleepydragonzarinthal3533]

@@cosseybomb lol which part? The part where a couple people stop watching SNL because of this or finding funnier content, or the part where this channel benefits from taking the high road, the idea that he may lose in court?

[@1TightMinute]

Wow. That’s a blantantly steal if I’ve ever seen one.

[@armedandredee]

I clicked on this video, expecting it to go the exact opposite. I have NEVER seen you or heard of you, but you have made a lifelong impression. "I have to recognize that I am in a position to not be bothered by it" is the best phrase I have ever heard. You should run for president.

[@blueface6069]

Joel is definitely up there when it comes to nicest KZbinrs. He could've turned this into REAL drama, and made a bunch of money through revenue. Instead he acknowledged it, gave his feelings and used the people who came to this video expecting drama to holster up his friends. Genius level generosity.

[@terraversalvoid5391]

Oh, and made a bunch of money through revenue.

[@blueface6069]

@@terraversalvoid5391 He could've made allot more if he dragged it out

[@droidplant4961]

@@terraversalvoid5391 if he had caved in to greed and drama, he would be swimming in rivers of cash, but, he would basically trade his soul for that

[@nasserbukhari9513]

@@terraversalvoid5391yes, that is the nature of KZbin.

[@bishopbriggs4788]

would you rather no videos?@@terraversalvoid5391

[@LonelySandwich]

Your heart is so huge, Joel. Keep being the kind soul you are.

[@NotUrProfile]

helo

[@dragonfoxsolid1308]

What a chill way to handle this situation

[@Wrenloz]

Kuddos to you, Glad there are creators that don't use situations like this to create drama and get noticed. Subscribed!

[@evilmiyoho6742]

SNL producers: “so… should we hire him now that he’s caught us?” “No, steal this other video as well, it’s funny”

[@BobbyChipmunk]

Why hire him, he's already working for them for free 😂

[@TrisStrudel]

Nah, they threaten to sue him for time traveling to steal their video.

[@agayactornamedmichaeldougl6289]

SNL WOULD NEVER STEAL CONTENT!!!

[@garushkahn5857]

aint stealing .. its a fkn parody .. of something that exists (thats how shit works) xD calling it stealing is bs in that case

[@algumnomeaihehe]

​@@garushkahn5857so did you study ip law or are you just pulling that out your ass? furthermore, are you basing your morals on current us law? what in the juspositivism are you talking about my guy

[@eyespy3001]

This is the healthiest and most empathetic response to something like this. Good for you, Joel. This humble attitude will open many, many doors for you.

[@vcc947]

Wtf are these comments dude. You his psychologist or something?

[@LamirLakantry]

Same kind of thing happened to my DM. We've been playing the same campaign for several years, and from time to time, NPC and place names inevitability pop up in other media. It became a running joke that our DM was unconsciously predicting the future, etc. So I pranked him. I write our sessions down in a log, like a story book. I had this printed into a book with a custom cover, then hid it in a bookshelf at our next cabin trip and arranged for him to stumble across it. I wish I'd recorded his series of reactions as he first found a book with his custom campaign as the title, then a far too familiar cover, before finally realizing he was being pranked.

[@seraphin01]

I thought it would end up being some kind of drama video but you just took the best way out of this, well done, you deserve your success (unlike whoever at SNL that did this)

[@quinnarnold8733]

I thought Joel was a class act when he did a tutorial for how he animates, saying he just wants everyone to have tools. Now, he gets his content jacked, and he takes it as an opportunity to absolve the likely thieves and then promote smaller creators. Joel seems like a great guy!

[@Femaiden]

i kinda thought joel did that explanation of how he animates, because he wanted people to use it themselves. he should feel good about the fact that others are copying his style. he literally created a whole new genre of animation. you could call it "Joel Haver Style"

[@cc31reaper]

@@Femaiden many people have used that style from his videos and he is happy watch the video they stole a plot

[@Femaiden]

@@RSFArocks holy crap dude, did i say that? no, i did not say that he was complaining ablut small YT people imitating his style. I said that i got the impression that he did that video because he "wanted" people to imitate his style. I dunno where you got the idea that i was attacking anyone.

[@Femaiden]

i was tslking about Joel's video where he explained how he animates. i thought he did that so people could see how he does it and imitate it. i watched this entire video in its entirety and i think Joel made the right decision here to react the way he did to the snl sketch. the stole his "concept", but they wrote all new dialogue that was different from Joel's video and the inside of the house looks totally different and the dance the bears did at the end of the snl sketch was more "stolen" from the tv commercials than from Joel. the except for the concept of the one bear wanting to dance instead of college and the dad's disapproval, the SNL sketch bore more resemblance to the tv commercials than joels video. and in the snl sketh, the dad eventually relented and gave his approval, which didn't happen in joel's video

[@cc31reaper]

@@Femaiden I don’t believe the video would be made if Joel didn’t make his so at the end of the day someone took his idea without even giving him credit in the description

[@dancrews715]

What a stand up dude. Used half the video just to promote some other channels and friends whose stuff he likes. I didn’t even know who you were before this popped up somehow but I’m subbed now. Always appreciate someone spreading positivity when it’s not necessarily the first thing that most people would think to do.

[@alaljarensi6990]

Yeah, he's a reservoir of ideas. I could use reservoir of ideas.

[@janaetrojan4469]

I Second the motion! Never heard of this person, but the humility and seemingly genuine attitude is so refreshing and wholesome. Subbing for this reason, whether I end up liking the content or not. If more creators on these platforms had this mentality and attitude, the world would be a better place.

[@Stevenwave-]

@@janaetrojan4469 Joel's legit one of the funniest I've seen on YT. He does awkward, surreal shit absolutely spot on.

[@willbe3043]

I don't know, I think he's less of a stand up comedy guy and more of a multimedia skit guy. /j

[@heliumnetworking5103]

Lol when saving face to not get called out for stealing content himself.... Then changing the subject to pad out the video length for the algo for the views generated by mentioning SNL. Lol

[@user-lk8tt6sx7r]

“You’re all the computer guy?” Is really really good

[@erikdahlborg]

Mature of you Joel! If the table would be turned you would be hearing from SNLs lawyer

[@JosephWorley13]

It's disguising how moved I was by how well you handled this situation. When you started introducing smaller creators in the middle of what is probably your highest (so far) profile moment, I got chills and teared up. Bravo.

[@ethansilva9562]

Lmao chill

[@bradentheman1373]

I also teared up, I was absolutely moved by his words, I am in tears at the moment. Just in awe of this eye opening, inspiring video, it was just amazing how he handled it, I was so moved I got a t shirt with his face on it, and put a life sized painting of him in my room, I’m just so inspired, and moved, it’s crazy! good day

[@AnonymoStranger]

@@ethansilva9562 It's okay to have feelings

[@MrJB8383]

disgusting as fuck

[@tonoornottono]

@@AnonymoStranger i agree bro. seeing compassion and deference at a point where a person could totally further their career and be self-focused, is a moving thing. i can see why somebody would get emotional about that.

[@NotebookMovies]

As a skit creator I've experienced SNL "rip off" as well. Happened to me a couple of years ago. I had the same attitude as you.

[@crown06_]

hm i wonder why snl keeps stealing from creators when creators let them get away with it 🤔 just cant figure it out

[@Yea___]

@@crown06_ whoever has the most money wins

[@zawadsadaf9194]

@@crown06_ you seriously took a jab on the creators here? At least Joel is big enough to be somewhat noticeable in the online platform, but you really think smaller creators have a say in this matter?

[@TheWebbliest_Official]

@@crown06_ it's almost like a large company can afford better liars - oops, sorry, I meant defense lawyers

[@dicedmeat7857]

@@crown06_ you've solved art theft. Art theft rates lower to 0%

[@N0TYALC]

I would be shocked and repulsed if I had “parallel thinking” with that of an SNL writer.