Snowfall series review. He didn't deserve this! The Protags debate over Franklin's fate.

Sherm believes #franklinsaint got off easy in the series finale of #snowfallfx and believes he only deserved a grim outcome. Will believes Franklin has suffered a fate worse than prison or the grave by going out the game as a vagabond. Fresh says he's still in a state of depression since watching that final episode. He's mostly disappointed in Franklin's friends and especially Franklin's mother Cissy for her last hour betrayal. Will questions Fresh and Sherm on what event drove them to dislike Franklin? Fresh brings up a very valid point of the show turning its villains into heroes and the heroes like Franklin's father, Alton plus hero cop neighbor Andre, into the villains. What caused you to stop rooting for Franklin? Do you believe Leon was a true friend? Will believes he's absolute scum for bailing on Franklin for three years. Tell us your thoughts below. Thx for watching. Be sure to leave a thumbs up and subscribe to our channel.
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[@Charlotte-bz8ho]

Y’all kinda mixing the reality with the show actually Franklin was about 24-26 the actor is 30 calm down but to say you wanna see someone dead in insane also

[@basementprotagonists747]

Nah you gotta admit Franklin shouldn’t see 70, come on

[@Charlotte-bz8ho]

@@basementprotagonists747 🤷🏿‍♂️some would say that’s the easy way out suffering in sorrow is worse then dying in my opinion. A good connection is that in reality this actually happens to people no matter how much you bend for your love ones nobody gone have you like you that alone is hard for a lot of people to deal with especially when shit start going down hill but overall Franklin became insanely selfish and a monster at the end of it

[@Figgs101]

@@Charlotte-bz8ho u rather be homeless then dead? I rather be dead or in prison cause I can only imagine how embarrassed/defeated/broken franklin felt. U noticed franklin didn’t even feel confident enough to walk out the front door when Leon came knocking on his door

[@basementprotagonists747]

I wondered about that. Good observation

[@ggaentertainment7954]

It's a show t hey not saying the actor deserves to die the character and when live that lifestyle that's the only way they paint a kingpin going out dead or jail and if u saw the show u would admit Franklin did some bogus shit that deserve a bullet in the head

[@Kiki-xn4cc]

I loved the ending. Not in a good way but in a realistic way.

[@basementprotagonists747]

It was a rough one. We hated to see him go out like that.

[@starlaks588]

Why can't our black hood movies and shows have happy endings like Queen of the South! Tired of these wack ass endings. It's not okay.

[@tanasiap8308]

Yall REALLY think Teddy was gonna give that man that money?!?! No he wasnt!!!😂

[@basementprotagonists747]

Sherm tried to tell these folks I swear

[@jdrobinson3468]

Especially after Teddy said it was never Franklin's money. And this Will guy is out of his mind.

[@lebronshairline4768]

I couldn't believe Franklin agreed to it

[@tamekashaee5112]

@@lebronshairline4768 desperate smh

[@Tes7000]

That whole escrow plan with the money to be transferred at the park sounded bogus to me from the start, and I couldn't believe Franklin fell for it. Teddy had a pre-existing relationship with the escrow company to the point of having a secret password. Teddy could have had multiple passwords, including a coded password that could have resulted in those funds being recoverable or trackable by Teddy after the transfer. Once Teddy achieved his goal of getting out of the warehouse and out into the public park, Franklin lost all effective control over the situation. There was nothing Franklin could have done if he got screwed over by Teddy again.

[@damiensnyder9699]

He deserved everything that came his way, so many people ended up like fraklin and on skid row

[@basementprotagonists747]

If they did close to what he did they deserve it.

[@WeLoveDSport55]

It’s was a poetic justice ending (John singleton voice) lol think about it. He never wanted to be like his dad a alcoholic, homeless person. With each decision he made big or small lead him to becoming just like his dad…A alcoholic bum. It was a perfect ending for him. That was my short and sweet version of what I really think. RIP Uncle Jerome tho and Sissy keep your head up!

[@jessicaB-wy2xn]

That’s what my dad said too

[@kineticinnerg]

Franklin was out of control. Cissy had to do something. Yeah she killed Teddy for personal reasons. One of the many reasons was because she wanted Franklin to not have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life. The whole hood was calling her a hero. Cmon fellas this ain't it.

[@cshorty9387]

Don't know who you are. Have the same last name. But anyway a lot didn't get that. She saved his life. But he's in his own self inflicted hell.

[@Theyluvdas]

That don’t make no sense, we all know he would have preferred living looking over his shoulder than to be betrayed by his family and left abandoned. She even said herself that Franklin is sinking, which he was. But his future was literally stolen and within the grasp of his fingertips until the very end and was just left high n dry. PLUS his moms aint say a word to him. He ain’t deserve that man

[@kineticinnerg]

@Das🥀 she asked if he was cool with never speaking to her again. That's her fault? Franklin THOUGHT he'd wanna live like Avi, but he was extremely short-sighted and 1 track minded. He wasn't even thinking about that family he was trying to start, and many people who defend Franklin aren't thinking about V or his unborn child. Everybody is only thinking about that 37 million Franklin was never going to get. That should tell you something

[@CoolingKit9]

@@kineticinnerghow any one could defend cissy is beyond me To say she wasn’t complicit in what her son became is delusional. First you didn’t wanna leave with alton because you wanted to stay with your son then you leave with alton because of the CIA but you come back because you’re working with the KGB which obviously won’t have your sons best interests. NOW right before i get my 37 million you never want to see me again and wiling to go to jail for life to see that happen. Yeah big fuck you

[@daddyGbaby]

Cissy messed franklin up. she should have let him get his money then take her revenge but instead knowing that even with all franklins assets combine he would still be indebt she decided to let him drown. and giving him the slient treatment to? thats cold blooded.

[@dimitridillard2763]

I binged watched snowfall and compared it to binging the Sopranos. Hard not to root for the antihero and we got two different crazy ending styles for tv series for main characters. Snowfall show writers did a full circle story for Franklin and that’s good entertainment in my book🤙🏽

[@jakarisoolive3841]

That nigga a villain he killed innocent people and destroyed his community

[@mickeythemouse327]

If you don’t see that what Leon did it was the best thing for Franklin then you’re truly not thinking about this clearly. Franklin‘s decisions in the end the episodes, especially with money was never going to work out for him. He literally sold all his equity on the southside back to the person that he hated, and had no ways of real income. Had Leon given him the money. He just be right back asking for more in the same loop because he was addicted. If they fed that addiction it would only make it worse because it’s some point he’s going to have to realize that he can’t do that anymore and maybe Franklin would’ve fell even harder. Y’all are hating on Leon for trying to be a better person and make a better situation outta what he was in 😂 make it make sense

[@basementprotagonists747]

Oh for sure. Leon had the right idea all along. Franklin just can’t accept the fate life gave him. Even though you can argue he still won, despite all the chaos he caused

[@Tes7000]

In Franklin's last conversation with Leon, the writers wanted Leon to advance Cissy's point of view, but the writers should have also had Leon on speak the truth about the Spring Street property, which was that Franklin was being delusional and could no longer afford it. Leon came at Franklin with a moral reason for refusing to give Franklin the $3 mil, but there was an actual unsaid business reason as well. When Franklin let the Spring Street property go into foreclosure when he could have sold and recouped at least some of the millions he invested, I knew he was finished. And then Franklin went even further into his delusions in thinking he was going to get anything back from the crackhead who robbed him. Franklin had lost his grip on reality.

[@johnnyoldenjr.]

Facts, he should have listened to verinique

[@malikkimanimaasai3703]

Kev was shot by Franklin to stop a war with the Mexicans...

[@basementprotagonists747]

That was a live season. It's probably the best besides the final one.

[@malikkimanimaasai3703]

@@basementprotagonists747 💯

[@tanasiap8308]

Poetic Justice is a fate worse then death or jail....Sadly befitting of the Saint

[@basementprotagonists747]

Will agrees

[@TheBestAccEver]

Well said y’all. Idk how people were defending Cissy. I thought it was offensive for her to do that to him and then give him the silent treatment when he came to see her. If you’re in Franklins position and sacrificed that much, you’re not gonna be like “you’re right, money isn’t the answer” and just get a regular 9-5. It’s not as easy as people make it seem to just drop the money like that in his position

[@Tes7000]

Cissy had made herself absolutely clear to Franklin and Veronique while they were still at the warehouse, but you are correct that the silent treatment was going to do nothing but drive him (and us, the audience) crazy. I know the writers and producers were looking for a moment at the park, but logically, it would have made a lot more sense for Cissy to kill Teddy at the warehouse and avoid going to jail. The blowback from Franklin would have been epic. But the ironic thing is that when Franklin went to beg Cissy for the deed to her house, Franklin still had the Spring Street property to sell. If Franklin had been able to recoup even 25% of the $10+ million he had invested, he would have been okay. That brilliant thing about the finale is that it showed that Franklin was always in control of his fate, even if not in control of himself. It was Franklin's delusions and obsessive behavior that precipitated every bad thing that happened in the finale.

[@cordelia609]

They don’t see it from his pov because they weren’t through all the sh he endured to get that money. He reflects on that in season 5x 8 , they’ll never understand him and he’ll never understand them. Although he did understand…in the end

[@LAMAUR_ROYSTER_CEO]

The ending was poetic...

[@MsDezB1]

Circa the 12:12 mark, I know a guy like Saint. Also mixed up in drugs back inna day. He hit hard times... Folks, including myself, gave him money, no questions asked, cos we knew him since we were kids. He was always talking about, "when I get a job, things will get better..." He was always TALKING about what he was going to do when A, B, C happens. A, B, C would happen and he was still asking for money. Year after year, his situation did NOT improve. He had people trying to help him. So, why didn't his situation improve? Because he no longer had the CAPACITY to come up! Very similar to Saint as we see him in that last episode. Maybe he had it back inna day. But, now, all he can do is what he does: TALK. He talked schitt about the people who tried to help him because we all had boundaries. He was in rehab for a minute but was always complaining about curfews and not being able to do what he wanted. Then he was homeless. A family friend let him stay with them He didn't want to follow their rules and ended up in shelters. Didn't like the shelter's rules... I guess he wanted to be "free" like Saint. Then it became like a broken record. He didn't GAF about what happened to those of us trying to help him. "I'm not gonna ask for money!"..."I need money"..."are you gonna give me the money or not?" Rinse. Repeat. He'd gotten a job. Where was all HIS money going? Those of us who tried to help my Saint-like friend saw that we had two options: let him bankrupt us and bring us down with him OR walk away. With the help of an agency that helps fmr addicts get back on their feet, he'd gotten him self a section-8 apartment. The landlord asked that he not smoke. Every time I spoke to him, I heard the sound of a lighter and him taking drags. I tried to tell him to stop but you couldn't tell him nothing. He thought his landlord was too stupid to know that he was smoking in her apt. He told me she was kicking him out and ask if he could stay with me and my child, and of course, he asked for money. I hooked him up one last time and never spoke to him again. I say alllllll that to say that if Leon had given Franklin money...we saw how Franklin responded when Leon gave him $20! And, if I remember correctly, didn't Leon offer him a job at the center? Franklin would've ended up right where he ended up.

[@basementprotagonists747]

Sad people give up on themselves like that. The problem with Leon is he didn't try a quarter of what you said. He had one convo with Franklin after three years and thought that was enough. He had three million. Franklin would've woke up in Africa if he was my friend. You sound like me. Fiercely loyal

[@MsDezB1]

@Basement Protagonists Maybe Leon taking Franklin to Africa would have made a difference. If they decide to bring Snowfall back, it would be interesting to see that play out.

[@basementprotagonists747]

Turn him into a force for good? Would be dope to see.

[@robmartin5556]

That last episode hurt my heart and it also was the best season finale I ever seen and I think I will never see another one like that

[@basementprotagonists747]

Word. It took a few days for me to start feeling better about it.

[@jordanflores5687]

Best finale you ever seen???? Naaah

[@j-money867]

​@Jordan Flores how you gonna tell somebody about they personal opinion 😂

[@jordanflores5687]

@@j-money867 easy

[@EverybodyLuvsFriday]

New viewer. I don't think Cissy thought she was saving him from the game. She knew Teddy would come back for all of them, AND she was scorned by how Teddy did her and Alton.

[@stephenscuba6284]

She wasn't thinking only sabotage him

[@basementprotagonists747]

I agree. There was no larger lesson.

[@basementprotagonists747]

She still could've waited then took him out.

[@stephenscuba6284]

Alton didn't help him out instead of gathering the information to get away from Teddy he went on radio and got a reporter killed n cissy only put them in position to be hanged for treason dealing with KGB agent that was going to let Franklin die

[@lebronshairline4768]

Agree

[@8macvar]

People keep saying Franklin didn't care about his mom while she was in jail and only care abouthis money... I mean right after she shot Teddy he was in shock but he didn't chew her out he said "mama we gotta go, we gotta hlget outta here" .She wanted to stay and be caught. He decision was selfish stupid and impulsive because she had no way of proving what she was accusing the C.I.A of. She didn't record, take notes or pictures if her whole socall plan was to sacrifice herself for Franklin...she was too far gone just as Franklin got AFTER she pull that move on him which pushed him to the edge of desperation. And for ppl saying he was wrong for talking to her like that, she was gaslighting him. You don't pull a study like that and expect a person not to wanna know why you did that. The same way Franklin asked teddy "Why'd you do it, why did you take allll of his money" Him needing to know "Why" came in a close 2nd to him wanting his money back because like Franklin said he thought that him and Teddy were friends and would know each other well after all of this. So when Teddy told him why even though it was a selfish asshole answer Franklin felt he atleast had closure in knowing why teddy did it, which is why Franklin said "OK now we're getting somewhere" because before that teddy wouldn't give him any substantial answers. But Cissy couldn't even have the decency to tell him "I did it because I snapped" , "I didn't believe him" ,"because he killed your father", or even something as silly as "because that money had too much blood behind it". She just sat there staring at him as if she was a mute knowing in turn that silent shit was gonna drive him crazy because at this point he lost all his money and right now all he wants is an answer. And then u keep hanging up on him , well ok you showin me where I stand.. I'm trying to give you grace because you're my mom but anybody else I woulda already chewed them out, so ok ima treat you like some mf on the street cuz that's how you treated me by doin this and now you have the audacity to not speak... many people will say well she asked him "is getting this money or it's not ever speaking to me again will you be okay with that" .. sure he said yes because you're asking him to make a choice right there in the moment where he feels the money is right there so yeah he'll say anything to get you out of his face from trying to change his mind but he didn't really mean that. I'm sure once he got the money he would have still been looking out for his mom and trying to talk to her. But if that was her deal she reneged on that and basically said "fuk it you're not going to get your money and you'll never hear from me" and that was some BS... I feel like if she felt she wasn't never going to talk to him anymore why show up to the visits she has an option to not come. But when Leon comes she knows how to talk and wants to act like Leah's been the same she never had this whole series.. I call that bein fake... yeah she braided his hair that time after Leon killed that little girl and had to hide out but prior to that and even after they wasn't that close. But since she's mad at Franklin and not taking accountability for what she did she wants to act like she's so down for Leon.... I know it's a long read but that woman irritated me and everybody who is going with the narrative that she's the victim LOL

[@8macvar]

The popular thing now is to say Franklin deserved what he got... but nah it wasn't that he was greedy, he was just trying to get back what was stolen from him.. before that he lived a pretty modest life for a man with over 78million (gotta remember preaches stole 5mill before teddy stole the 73million)... For most of the series Franklin still stayed in the hood (or close) and was wearing his regular jeans/slacks with his members only jacket. Yeah he had a plane but it was practical... other than that he lived pretty modestand made investments and saved (which led him to having 73million) he wasn't greedy at all..he wasn't taxin on the brick and he put everybody on and everybody was rich...he just wanted what was his... it's crazy to think someone is gonna take gettin got for 73million (in the 80s) and not do nothin or feel no type of way after you've had to (accidentally) kill kevin, go to jail and get your ass beat, your hs sweetheart get strung out, have to kill her dad because he was gettin dirty and too close, get shot multiple times by her, have to rehab yourself back to health,go to war with skully, then man boy, then kadeja, because you wouldn't give up Leon, then Kane, have to kill your friend because he became a liability, get 5million stolen by your security, your dad get killed by your plug, fall out with your aunt and uncle because LOUIE was greedy,and after allllll that have this white man take ALLLL your money would make that all had been for Nothin. Teddy started it Louie Stoked it and Cissy selfishly solidified his fait. Cissy didn't kill Teddy to save Franklin because she coulda been did that when they had him tied up... the beginning of the season she was with Franklin gettin back at teddy and Louie for crossing him... Franklin stayed true to his mission. Cissy and everybody else kept flip flopping on what they wanted to do and how they felt... sissy wanted to feel a tone and be a martyr and selfishly put her son back at square zero again... Franklin was going to get his money get out of the game like he intended and focus on his real estate developments... he wasn't being greedy for money , he was staying true to his end goal plan.. yeah this is long but it's just irritating keep hearing the narrative that Franklin was greedy over money because people are just surface-level thinking and following popular opinion.

[@tanasiap8308]

Most of that may be true but he still got what he deserved...He made his fortune off the backs of his ppl the very same ppl he claimed he wanted to help but instead destroyed it...Kevin may have been an accident but Mels father wasnt....what about the other's he's killed? Franklin was a monster in the end a shell of his former self even before Teddy took the money...that why everyone was already turning on him and deep down he knew it too which is why he had that attack of conscience at the wedding...yet STILL did nothing to change it he went full throttle down that destructive path to the point he was willing to kill his bff (the only 1 1 left in his corner) and rob him

[@8macvar]

@Tanasia P ok that's a different argument from my original one, but that's your opinion... let's see if you keep the same energy though... what's your thoughts on pharmaceutical companies and doctors that are out here just prescribing opioids *cute heroin* left and right.... should they all end up broke, drunks, and living miserable lives too or just OUR people deserve that ending??? 😃🙄... And again to not to justify it but you have to think ,crack was in its infancy back then ...We're looking at it in hindsight and are judging with our eyes from today... There were drugs wayyy before crack so those guys in the 80s thought it was just another drug that they could make some money off of like everyone else was already doing *not saying it was right*.

[@tanasiap8308]

@@8macvarSome of them do but not all.. Pharmaceuticals are both bad/good... thats a bad comparison because although they are basically dealers for the most part its legal and their are actual benificial drugs out their thats more of a double edged sword....Who benifits from crack....besides the ones dealing it? IDC what they initially thought because that was deaded pretty quickly....Yea their were other drugs before but bp had lack of access until they found ways to cut it and make it more affordable... theres a reason why the crack epidemic was so devastating to the black community and it was done on purpose...Franklin was so addicted to the money and power he acted like he didnt see it always talking about kissing the white mans ass was a no go for him thats how he justified not doing things right...Yet was that not what he was donig with Teddy? This white man comes out of nowhere offers you everythin g you hearts desire at your ppls expense....as long as he did what Teddy (the white man) wanted him to do... and the second Saint wanted off the plantation what did he do? Teddy CLEANED HIM OUT!!! Why? Because in Teddy eyes it was NEVER HIS MONEY Franklin only had what Teddy ALLOWED him to have...and when he decided he didnt want him to have it anymore he took it all back in one swoop which is why I was FLOORED that Franklin really thought that man would give him that money back Teddy was NOT giving that money back and even if he did he was going to hunt him DOWN and anyone he cared about including his son....and not only was he willing to take that risk...but he was willing to settle for HALF OF HIS MONEY HE WORKED FOR UPON TEDDYS REQUEST...Franklin in the end when it was all said and done was a fiend no different than his customers except it was money and not roc...In the last episode we literally watched Saint go through withdrawal and the foul things he did in order to get his next hit ... and when it was gone gone he folded like origami. We watched Saint self destruct in the last episode and eventually ended up doomed to roam the very streets he helped destroy...Poetic Justice is a fate worse than death and Sadly befitting of the Sainthood

[@j-money867]

​@@8macvar We're talking about a TV show bro...

[@BigDapPacino]

Leon didn’t kill Skully’s wife…Uncle Jerome shot in the back of the head to end the feud because she was going to keep coming back and Leon shot at that car without knowing the daughter and wife was in there…keep in mind, a lot of the plot lines needed to get resolved in that one season!

[@basementprotagonists747]

But he still was responsible for their deaths. You'd never forgive that person

[@neekwyd]

@@basementprotagonists747 respectfully, she was responsible for her own death trying to avenge her daughter's death. she put a hit out on Leon, killed Fatback, and got innocent folks killed too.

[@watchafewmoviestakeafewnot1459]

@@basementprotagonists747most people won’t but skullys whole character was about forgiveness even before his wife goes he tells her this vengeance is gonna kill us and he tells Louie/Jerome to end the feud with Frank cuz it’s gonna kill us that’s why him not killin Leon makes sense cuz he chose life, he knows the cycle will continue and get him killed, Frank and Louie couldn’t put pride aside for the long game.

[@malikkimanimaasai3703]

Teddy knew bout all of Franklin's accts when he broke into his house while he was @ Jerome & Louie's wedding and took pics of his bank statements, acct #s and passwords etc that how he stole all of Franklin's money...

[@prodigykitty3614]

Most dealers who don't end up dead end up as victims of their own products.

[@kineticinnerg]

Yo... Answer me this... Why would Veronique lie about that baby? That don't even make sense. Especially years later after she disappeared. She has been TRAINED to get ghost and never be found. She truly loved that man and held him down and yall still think she was faking? Cmon man.

[@kineticinnerg]

@Malik KimaniMaasai meh. I don't. I have no reason to believe that she miscarried because why else would she call him and tell him how their son was and give him some sort of good sign about that when she was trained to get ghost and never be found?

[@malikkimanimaasai3703]

@@kineticinnerg Cause she still Eff_ing with him and no evidence of a child being born around that tyme i know she was trained to disappear but how can you hide a baby it just seems sketchy...

[@kineticinnerg]

@Malik KimaniMaasai what do you mean how? She's in a whole nother country and this man homeless with no contacts to call on. Sounds easy to me

[@kineticinnerg]

@Malik KimaniMaasai she really has no need to mess with that man my g. None at all. She's not the spiteful and petty type cuz if she was she would've bragged about taking his money.

[@malikkimanimaasai3703]

@@kineticinnerg He had top notch looking 4 her when she was bout to deliver b4 he hit rock bottom and nothing

[@OMEGAXONE]

Leon was the truth!

[@basementprotagonists747]

How so?

[@tjsmith2386able]

Jerome and frank relationship... how you go from nephew to b#### ni%%#@ the change up hurts. Jerome wanted out and even Frank had heart to let him know Louie situation being held hostage. Frank shoulda stayed out of it and let her get what she deserved. The Saints woulda been coo. That's what makes the ending beautiful though because you end up being a product of your environment. Blacks can't ever unite because everyone feels like they are owed something.

[@basementprotagonists747]

Very dope way of putting it

[@eurinecarter6650]

Who bless u talking bout. My family good

[@otismichael2583]

He deserves every bit of it. He could've, should've walked away long before. Yea it was fucked up what teddy did but thats the game. He deserves to suffer. He wasn't broke before V left him. He had a little money left he could've left with his woman and still lived a good life

[@kineticinnerg]

And by a little, I think she said they had 25 million in properties and assets. They'd have been fine. Franklin had the equivalent of a gambling addiction, and that leveled up into full-blown alcoholism. It was sad, but for all the damage he caused... he deserved his ending

[@ggaentertainment7954]

Leon a stand up dude

[@ravionmorgan2362]

Naw brotha’s it ended the way it should have. I don’t know how old you brotha’s are but losing his bread snapped him. There have been a lot of Franklin’s I have known some.

[@basementprotagonists747]

True. We grew up in the 80s and heard the cautionary tales. We were rooting for the kid even though it was wrong.

[@iquanwilliams4905]

Right. Let me gain 71 mill only to have it took than for me to resolve myself to accept half back just for my mother to fuck it all up ON PURPOSE I would snap to ngl

[@tjsmith2386able]

Product of the environment. I hear you RM

[@essencebrank3773]

It ended the way it should have…..teddy was not gonna give him that money………ciccy realized what she was doing to help with this crack epidemic what it did to her family her husband dead her brother dead all because of the drugs n when teddy lied about Alton that was the last straw…….and nobody was obligated to give Franklin Money he was willing to kill Leon for that money he killed peaches n that man for 1200 which was the cost of his 1st key 😂

[@OrevShalom]

Y'all underestimate the weight of losing 73 million. A man who took those chances don't want to work hard and be regular 😂

[@mtholdings2]

Hello all I watched the entire series & it’s truly a travesty and racist how they ended the series with Franklin being a bum; with all the EP’s involved in the show & they selected for Franklin to end up a bum/alcoholic. It’s profound they the show & tv network did not want the “black man” win! That was for us - the black viewers to make a racist point. Franklin, was & display he was highly articulate that he was able to beat strategically every person & entity he came across. That includes the LA police; L A court system; L A city hall; the old Jewish former agent; Mexican mafias; KGB & CIA & also, in a episode they shown Franklin FLYING a jet himself. And the “best” recourse was for Franklin to loose his “self will”. That logically do not make ANY sense. So, once again it was a subliminal display of the “white man” beating the “black man”. The show could of ended the series with Franklin selling all his commercial properties & receiving half of the $76 million & take his family and relocate with Leon to Africa. WALK AWAY IN THE SUNSET & wON! By ending the show that way it would continue to display Franklin’s self discipline & fortitude.

[@basementprotagonists747]

That would've been dope.

[@SHOTGUN_SHOGUNATE]

Note: Franklin became an Alton in the End. BUT LEON...was becoming the best version of Alton.

[@Figgs101]

Andre fucked up once he told Franklin he was leaving and coming back for round 2 😂

[@basementprotagonists747]

Yeah, pretty stupid. Just make your move.

[@Lakitu1446]

That's what she said

[@jmoney3681]

Reminds me of the finale of THE WIRE with Marlo. The big boss was top dog for the longest, lost his empire, and ended up on the street where the new generation don't know you, your old rep, or not the power they commanded.

[@thomaswood2418]

Thank you 4 this ik i wasn't crazy they betrayed franklin while he always stated his goals and motives. He kept gettin played and couldn't even keep what he earned. Mama wanna let her boss feel on her and use her son money but then say u don't deserve good money. Alton was the only solid 1 cissy literally ain't have real morals

[@WetHumorInc]

I recently binged watched all 6 seasons for the first time in about 2-3 months. I was hooked from the jump. Very raw commentary about the crack epidemic and life in the 80's. Sad to see Franklin lose his ways over the course of 6 seasons. If you watch the pilot episode and then watch the series finale, there is not a single part of Franklin from the pilot still left inside of him at the conclusion. To bite off of A Bronx Tale- "the saddest thing in life is wasted talent" and Franklin was living proof of that. Too smart for his own good and in the end, he fell victim to a disease that he managed to avoid for the first 20 something years of his life. Jeromes death probably hit me harder than any other death in the entire series. That was gut wrenching to see him come back to save his woman and go out like that. Like you guys stated, nobody in the show had clean hands. They all benefited in one way or another from the drugs that they pumped into the community whether directly or indirectly. Good conversation about the show guys. Keep up the good work.

[@SeorgeGoros]

A Sherm apart on here spitting fire

[@Aaron-sv1rm]

He was a dope dealer. He was murderer in our black community. He himself said money was more important to him than his own mama. He deserved everything that came to him - for me, he got off easy by only becoming a drunk with no roof over his head.

[@basementprotagonists747]

Too damn easy

[@evensbaptiste6415]

This was the best ending to any drug hustlers movie ever just because it was a reality......there's so many bums or drunks in the hood that was actually a victim to this...... he was a victim to greed..... he was actually willing to give up his family for this money..... cussed his mother out and all. Teddy wasn't gonna give up that money especially how he lied so much in this movie and killed his father.

[@johnnyoldenjr.]

Peaches going 25 miles away was actually genius. You see how long it took to find him.

[@wendellgreenidge3362]

How did his mother betray him? And y’all do realize Jerome killed skully’s wife and not Leon. Leon didn’t want her dead but I do agree with not forgiving him for killing my daughter

[@basementprotagonists747]

That whole scenario didn't make sense. Anybody involved would be gone. Then, the writers turned Skully into a pacifist. Weird choice. Cissy could've waited, and she never explained her decision to him.

[@nexxlevel4590]

Cissy fucked her son over. The way she waited, she said fuck Teddy and my son. And Will’s take on Leon made me look at Leon different. Definitely shoulda took care of the crib wit no ask on brotherhood

[@basementprotagonists747]

Exactly. Love is love. Even if I can't rock with you anymore. .

[@unclerayrayleon]

Yo how y'all don't get what the mom did? Basically she felt it cost them everything and it was a cycle. Even if she let that happened it would've been something else. Teddy r CIA would've been still on em. It wasn't no Scott free!! Leon saw what his mother saw that Franklin lost himself to the point he was tryna kill his own even abuse his wife. She was just like her mom and she thinks self preservation.

[@kineticinnerg]

Not to mention she was still pregnant. That lady was carrying HIS child. Franklin had to be stopped

[@SHOTGUN_SHOGUNATE]

What is Will talking about? TEDDY'S Dad may have found the love of his life.... but Fuck Alton huh? That's crazy.

[@lebronshairline4768]

I never trusted Veronique from the jump, plus her mother got into her head too

[@papaadot9369]

Veronique did right

[@3kanggad690]

Bro every woman in his life fucked him over... Mel, Tee, Loui, Mother... He was straight up betrayed by people he genuinely loved...

[@basementprotagonists747]

Louie and Jerome, his mom and girl, are all traitorous.

[@Dr.Risky007]

Big facts

[@Themikebolton1]

First off, Teddy was never gonna give Franklin the money and live carefree, it wouldn’t matter if Teddy gave the password before he got shot or if he would let off the hook, Teddy is a supreme liar and would’ve eventually come for Franklin, so overall Cissy did the right thing sacrificing her freedom to make sure Teddy didn’t retaliate. Secondly, Leon did the right thing not giving Franklin any cash, considering that franklin mind wasn’t in the right headspace, therefore, giving a small piece of cash would’ve made him come back for more, no different than a crackhead. And third, Louie been shown red flags earlier in the seasons of snowfall, asking Jerome the combination, and if Jerome would’ve cut louie off a long time, he would still be alive. She gotten greedy and betrayed Franklin when she of all people could’ve helped him when Teddy stole franklin’s money, so she deserves everything she gets. Lastly, the dumbest thing Franklin ever did was associate with Teddy, the same man who kidnapped you and all of a sudden doing business with, and on top of that, opening a bank account with someone you don’t even know, if you gonna open the bank account with anyone, at least open it with your loved ones such as Cissy or Uncle Jerome. Eventually, betrayal, money and pride became Franklin’s downfall. It’s poetic justice ending because Franklin became who/what he hated, he became alton by “Being my own man”, Alton even said that in the first season.

[@PrincessOfATL]

I think they missed the lesson in the show. Like they just don’t even understand. 😢

[@Figgs101]

It’s a good ending but if I knew franklin was gon end up like that I would’ve killed him myself

[@basementprotagonists747]

Damn that's harsh. Wish he hadn't just given up like that

[@cliffpostell508]

He's 26. He's not done. But he is down bad. No question.

[@basementprotagonists747]

Facts! 26 with a hell of a lot of life to go? And just beat the cia? He has a chance to heal and move on from all that… ultimately, the ending was too good for Franklin

[@thairgordon2666]

It was a perfect ending..shout out to snowfall for 6 good yrs

[@watchafewmoviestakeafewnot1459]

Love y’all opinions but I see things a little differently. Frank always wanted more financially and it never changed in fact he became a heartless monster because of it that took over his world like most kingpin stories from the movies etc. only difference is he got a realistic outcome that was worse than death or jail because he gotta live with all the death, understanding that wealth was never his, he lost his family and friends over it and that’s why he’s a drunk. He’s free from the dance of the CIA but mentally he’s a depressed drunk. Jerome might have got it the worse because multiple times in the show he tried to take his soon to be wife out the game so they could get out and that decision not to cost him his life cuz he loved her too much. Louie much like Franklin let greed and wanting to be respected get to her, from Claudia to the dealings with men who would only talk to Rome. She got too greedy and now gotta live life on the run and has a hand in killing the person who always had her best interest. Leon is the only one who really got out the game cuz of the character arc cuz he was the street guy way before frank and all his demons taught him to get out while he could. If he would have gave frank any large money ,frank would have blown it, he was already losin his mind he would have got himself killed or locked up. Y’all gotta remember how much frank used them especially Leon only for his own benefit.leon even offered him a job or an opt to get his mama house back but frank accepts his fate after all the dirt. Leon ain’t an angel but he lives with killing that little girl and having a hand in destroying his community. But now he’s tryna have a hand in changing it. That’s why I think he had the best arc cuz characters like his usually just get killed. He had the best story imo and it’s just as realistic as franks. Teddy was pimpin the black community for the drug money to fund the war and get back in good graces, which he probably wasn’t gonna get just like frank wasn’t getting that money freddy played his hand when he took it in the first place. Teddys character is just a representation of the gov using and destroying black communities. Cissy was also in love with a former panther so she never trusted the white man and even told frank just like Alton that this man will get rid of you when he’s done with you and they were both right. Cissy just wanted the cycle done with the white man and her fam. Frank ended up a drunk because like the him vs him scene at the wedding he always saw himself as a problem solver and not the problem.

[@basementprotagonists747]

Naw Leon was as dirty as Franklin was. He did leave, but as soon as he came back, he started selling rock in the community again. I don't see this Messiah you see in Leon. If I had 3 million, there's no way you'd homeless and your my friend. No questions asked.

[@watchafewmoviestakeafewnot1459]

@@basementprotagonists747 I’m not seeing Leon as a Messiah he just made better decisions than Frank. And I’m sure he would have gave Frank some money but Frank being out his mind asked for all of it and promised he could get it back and at that moment he couldn’t. And that’s the realness of a character like Leon who wants to change it was hard for him to break that habit of wanting to be a dealer or someone who was gonna change things, just like Frank couldn’t shake the fact of being so greedy. He had hella opportunities to take something and go but he was so sprung on that money that he fell from grace because of it. He was lost and couldn’t see it and imo him and Louie got it the worse because of it. But I see where you’re coming from.

[@jayshiggs]

His Mom warned him she was going to kill Teddy and don't choose sides against me. That's exactly what Franklin did, he was gonna let Teddy live after he killed his Dad for money. His Mom did the right thing.

[@elleMerci_bey]

I love Snowfall. I even love Franklin, with his crazy self. The ending was perfect and he absolutely deserved his fate.

[@basementprotagonists747]

It's okay to want the badguy to win

[@elleMerci_bey]

@@basementprotagonists747 sure but don’t say he didn’t deserve it. He absolutely did and a lot worse.

[@basementprotagonists747]

I'll just say it would've been cold to see him get it all back. Maybe we still will.

[@elleMerci_bey]

@@basementprotagonists747 yes. But there has to be a cost in tv and cinema. Maybe you can write some fan fiction, a screenplay or novel that explores the ending you wanted to see.

[@basementprotagonists747]

Dope idea.

[@bjt81366]

I gotta say, the first two dudes must not have known major dealers. This is a show. I grew up knowing Aaron Jones in Philly. Ran the game in Philly. 4 million a month. He was a f'in psychopath, lots of bodies. He got the death penalty, but commuted to life. The last guy to speak was on point. Franklin would kill anyone to get that money. He was virtually unfazed by Jerome's death (a couple tears). He straight murdered the locksmith and the tweeker. I was hoping he got smoked. The hero of this story is Leon.

[@basementprotagonists747]

How's Leon the hero? He's born again for going to Africa? He put in work and sold crack for years in his community, too. He ain't no saint either.

[@8macvar]

Dude in the upper right corner with the glasses and beard is so matter of fact , wrong and with a gang of double standards .... plus he keep cuttin ppl off

[@JohnSmith-pq8gk]

He could have easily made something of his life even after cissys justifiable put poorly timed move if he didn't put hands on Veronique. The moral to the story is that if you let power and greed get out of hand it'll destroy you. Leon could have helped him but he didn't want to give a metaphorical rock and feed his power and greed addiction. Look at what Franklin did when he said no: threatened to murder him like a junkie would. I think a lot of people cant swallow the truth about the end because how much were told our whole lives to worship money and power.

[@Tes7000]

I totally agree. I think a lot of viewers missed that Franklin was having a major mental health battle by the end of the show. Franklin's delusions and irrationality precipitated every bad thing that happened to him at the end. Veronique had to take Franklin's money to save herself and their baby from the absolutely stupid business move Franklin was about to make. Cissy was talking, but Franklin was unable to hear the truth of what she was telling him at the warehouse. Teddy should never have been allowed to leave that warehouse alive. Franklin pulled a gun on Leon and begged his mother for the deed to her house when Franklin still had the Spring Street property to sell, from which Franklin could have recouped at least some of the millions he had invested. When Veronique left, and Franklin still refused to sell the Spring Street property, going on to lose it to foreclosure only a few months later, I knew there was nothing anyone could do for him.

[@malikkimanimaasai3703]

How else was Franklin gonna get his money back if he didn't kill teddy's father...he was tryin to draw Teddy out...Besides teddy had a chance to save his father twice by giving Franklin's money back and he didn't, he kept ducking him, he allowed his father to bee killed so now teddy has blood on his hands 2...

[@basementprotagonists747]

He didn't give him a chance either. It's not like it was at his fingertips. It takes time. He should've gotten Teddy's whole family. I bet he would've got his money then.

[@malikkimanimaasai3703]

@Basement Protagonists Facts but Franklin did give teddy many chances and teddy kept ducking him...

[@MerlautJones]

@@basementprotagonists747 Teddy did say it was a process, but he also said "Even if I could" which was the worst thing to say then, and that was after his failed attempts to undermine the leverage Franklin had.

[@basementprotagonists747]

He didn't try very hard, did he? He could've asked for a few hours at least .

[@malikkimanimaasai3703]

@Basement Protagonists Hell No! He warned teddy several tymes that " If I don't get my money back in 24hrs ima make sure you and anyone you love suffers"...So he had to DEMONSTRATE...

[@Lakitu1446]

My problem is how franklin became so stupid after telling himself in the season 1 if i am not mistaken that Teddy because of his position is not trustworthy, and yet put nearly all of his money in a bank account that Teddy knew about and kept all the documents in a ridiculous safe in his building and especially with no security at night lmao. Now that i think about it the writing about all this seems really odd to me....

[@rolandchestnut9076]

FRANKLIN SAINT IS FREE. FREE TO DRINK AS MUCH THUNDERBIRD AS HIS BODY CAN HANDLE. LET THAT BE A LESSON TO ALL THESE SO CALLED GANGSTERS AND HOODLUMS IN THESE NASTY GRIMEY DANGEROUS STREETS. REMEMBER THIS THE STREETS DOINT LOVE NOBODY

[@basementprotagonists747]

In the end, Franklin really won

[@juanroman2036]

They all loved Franklin when the cash was flowing typical family

[@jamallabk2188]

nah leon was a real one he honored franklin mom

[@basementprotagonists747]

How? What's the lesson yall think she was trying to teach?

[@mickeythemouse327]

Y’all saying that cissy didn’t teach him a lesson and it was all for her, and what not. But if you think about it, Franklin’s true addiction was money and if he had the money there’s no way that it would’ve ended well for him. He would’ve found himself maybe right back to where he started. Y’all can say that he was out of the game and would not, but we don’t truly know where he would’ve done with all that money if he actually had it. Once he turned his back on his mom for the money, she realize how far gone he was because Franklin has always kept his mother on his side. so when she saw that he was choosing money over their relationship, she knew it was over so she did what she had to do to make sure that he wouldn’t be able to fulfill his addiction.

[@RylieLVlogs]

It was funny asl when Will said Franklin was 'goofy as shit now' 😩😆

[@timbickerstaff9437]

I think y'all are speaking based off emotions. This was a perfect ending. First when it comes to his baby mama V. She told her momma that Franklin never left her alone, he never put his hands on her and he always put her first Franklin did all 3 things when he left her alone and she couldn't get in contact with him (keep in mind a few days had passed she even said "it's been 3 days", for all she knew he was dead). He put the money before her and then he put his hands on her so she did what she did. Second thing when it comes to his mother she was absolutely correct in killing Teddy when she did. If y'all thought for 1 minute that Teddy was giving Franklin any of that money and/or was going to let him live to enjoy... Y'all higher then peaches was...Sissy knew Franklin was the devil and didn't deserve that money. At the end Leon showed that he could change, Sissy showed remorse for the role she played everyone except Franklin realized the error in their ways. In life none of us are perfect we are going to make mistakes some big some small but it's about learning and growth. A part of that being mature enough to pay for our mistakes. Everyone was willing to do that except Franklin which is why he ended up exactly like his father which for him is a fate worse then death or jail.

[@baltimoremike9161]

It showed us how a simple hustle can snowball into something you never wanted or could imagine..we felt that after a point he did what he had to do..

[@RikaEStudios]

He deserved exactly what he got. The ones he sold those drugs too most likely lot a lot to, if not everything smoking that stuff 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@basementprotagonists747]

I get that, but like Teddy pointed out, people chose that lifestyle.

[@RikaEStudios]

@@basementprotagonists747 true, however you reap what you sow. Franklin also chose his path too. He picked up that bottle and did it to himself, no matter how people treated him. His addictions destroyed him.

[@stryfetc1471]

You right, he didn't deserve that, he DESERVED to die. I know we all liked Franklin but he was evil and destroyed everybody's lives.

[@willlyons6174]

Hope you guys see this comments to answer a few questions you guys mentioned as holes in the storyline Where Louie’s extra money from stash houses ? Franklin cleaned them out when robbed Louie for payback Remember Louie said to teddy she’s short on cash reserves after the robbery and need to be fronted key’s Franklins stash house as far as cash goes got robbed by peaches And remember the rest of his cash went into the downtown properties he left the game and had no more street cash coming in to even have a stash house Last time we seen Franklin in a stash house I was only full of keys no cash.. and that was from the keys he stole but was desperate to move and didn’t have help so he had to cook with Kane So basically both Franklin and Louie pushed all there chips to the table at the wrong time and lost it all . Great conversation guys keep it up

[@basementprotagonists747]

You're right. No wonder they were both on skid row afterward. She played him. He got her, and that was basically the end. He should've gotten a new plug though

[@willlyons6174]

@@basementprotagonists747 you’re especially with all the connections he had ! Franklins relationship with avi’s people alone could have helped with Kane gone there was no competition and skully was also still another crew that could help

[@basementprotagonists747]

Facts. He gave up, too soon. Get it out of the mud again, but he doesn't have a crew now. That's the only thing that I could holding him back.

[@cjwhitfield5719]

Buddy with the Glasses is SPITTIN' ALL FACTS!!!

[@basementprotagonists747]

Thanks for watching.

[@johnnyoldenjr.]

Teddy took pictures of all his bank records he kept all the shit in the same place. When you have bank documents you notmally keep all of it together.

[@SHOTGUN_SHOGUNATE]

They could've sniped Franklin as he was getting the KGB guy out of the trunk. Franklin was in panic mode. The drinking messed up his thinking more! Franklin was usually cool and calculating. His mom killing Teddy accelerated his desperation.

[@tyronetriggs5676]

I see It as, it was all Franklin"s fault! Everyone in Franklin's life was who they were already, so far as the streets. He runs around half of the series talking about he trying to get $73mill from a CIA agent?!! The only one I saw level headed in that whole circumstance was The uncle.

[@basementprotagonists747]

Louie had Jerome by the balls. He had no control over his girl at all.

[@juanroman2036]

Love from WV dc area great show brothers yeah its sad but that's the 3rd option of the game I know Franklin's smh

[@basementprotagonists747]

Good looking out. Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, unfortunately, but damn that was rough.

[@antoniabrantley531]

I dont know what these guys is talking about (saying they don't like how Franklin became) but at the end of the day this is what i saw if a man like Franklin (that poison the community with drugs) iis nit dead, in jail, this is what theynbecome bombs i saw and seen this shit, ( i want to be like them as a kid) and the next thing i know is they dead or on jail or a fucking bomb....real mf talk...

[@chrisjzh]

Veronique made the right move. She wanted to sell the big development that would take years to pay out, and hold on to all the rental properties that were already making steady income. She should have waited for Franklin but remember she was just sitting in the torture chamber. It probably smelled like Teddy's roasting flesh

[@basementprotagonists747]

Nah. That doesn't give her the right to just wipe him out and leave like that. Franklin was self-made before she came along

[@chrisjzh]

@@basementprotagonists747 but she wasn't gonna do that until he choked her Also the fact that he sold their money earning properties to pursue the huge development, mostly just out of spite. He messed up really really badly when he did that, should have just cut their losses and kept their real estate at least

[@Tes7000]

@@basementprotagonists747 I think it gave Veronique the right to take all the money. Franklin was ignoring his obligation to their unborn child, and even after Veronique cleaned Franklin out, he still had the option of selling the Spring Street property to recoup some of the millions he had invested in it.

[@tiffanydavenport6173]

That ending was bogus and not true to form of a hustler mentality. If that had showed him lose it all and then take that $12,000 he found in Peaches safe to buy another bird, which was his 1st challenge with Avi. That would have been a full circle ending for his character. They want to portray that Pride comes before a fall. The ending was about is Pride otherwise he wouldn't have lost his spirit. "Love's gonna get you killed. But Prides gonna be the death of you..." I don't buy the line about "I'm free of it all." He could have went to Africa and been free with Leon...I hate this ending for Franklin Saint

[@basementprotagonists747]

You get it! He was too sharp to go out like that. Typically, when one door closes for people like Franklin, they find a new path. Him giving up didn't seem like something he'd do. He looked down on people like that. There was no way he'd become one, although it could happen.

[@starlaks588]

Why can't our black hood movies and shows have happy endings like Queen of the South! Tired of these wack ass endings. It's not okay.

[@Figgs101]

I felt the same way about everything y’all said

[@iquanwilliams4905]

Me to. Every body betrayed him. And for Leon to say no I'm not gonna help then dip to Africa lol what?

[@basementprotagonists747]

He super fake for that.

[@marvinpowerwilliams5373]

These dudes ain’t street smart at all😂😂😂😂

[@basementprotagonists747]

What did we get wrong ?

[@marvinpowerwilliams5373]

@@basementprotagonists747 well Franklin wouldn’t of lived to spend or invest that money, if he would’ve let Teddy walk franklin would’ve ended up like his father. Plus if you remember Teddy already gave the money to his girlfriend which he already gave access to the money so he already told his girl if he gets killed then take the money and teddy already accepted the risk. She told Franklin to go ahead and kill him and the agent in the other room and just walk away from that situation because it wouldn’t of just ended there, if he would’ve killed them 2 agents nobody would’ve been able to identify Franklin anyway. Teddy is a psychopathic killer, he was playing him just like he was playing his mother about his father being still alive. Franklin just didn’t know when to quit or just start over which proves he was in reality the weakest character in the show.

[@johnnyoldenjr.]

If teddy paid his money he wouldnt have killed his pops

[@johnnyoldenjr.]

Franklin asked for the 3 million then he was ready to rob leon for the money

[@rogerowens7888]

The Bottom line is, the Higher you fly the Harder you Fall

[@basementprotagonists747]

Facts

[@Major234]

I’d rather be dead they let Franklin to rot away while living they left him to rot nobody cared about Franklin but Franklin cared for everybody else

[@conflicc5505]

The ending was perfect because it's an example of you only lose when you give up which thru the whole show his point was he had this determination and for all the losses he took he never actually lost because he kept trying and at the end he finally said fuck it

[@daleseymo6580]

73 million I'd be crazy to straight up

[@basementprotagonists747]

Facts

[@8macvar]

Veronique was fake and an opportunist too... We never seen her with Franklin before he had money to know that she was with him and had his back just because she loved him. She popped up the beginning of season 5 outta nowhere... we didn't see her there to help him rehab after he got shot and he wasn't runnin shyt at the time. She wasn't there tobtest her so-called love and downess when he was goin to war with skully then Manboy and Kadeja when the risk maybe wasn't worththe reward to be with him ..We saw her after he was flying planes , getting chauffeured around in a limo and wearing suits and at kingpin status... it was all about that money that's why she was down to help him and maintain his books by any means. Yeah she handled his business with his properties and investments but that wasn't nothin he couldn't do, he was very intelligent and making deals on properties his self. It just made sense for her to do it since he couldn't do everything as far as when a drug operation and try to do that with real estate at the same time by himself . I mean it wasn't like she was a trophy wife she had to pull her weight and do something to justify him being with her (imo)when he could have damn near any woman he wanted. Yeah they were partners because she was his woman and pulling her weight but not in the sense of she was an investor with him... She had no moral Compass when she was getting shot at by Kane and his ppl, she didn't feel it was time to go when she helped lure teddy's dad out and kïlld him in front of her and her mom and set the place on 🔥 It wasn't too much and time to go when it started hitting close to home and Jerome got killed and Louie almost got sex**** assaulted and beat up. Wasn't time to go when the family was goin to war and by you being Franklins girl you were a target too... It wasn't too far when she suggested torture for Teddy because he wasn't cracking , and even provided Franklin cooking oil to torture Teddy. but soon as he checks her (because thats all that that was)for going behind his back about money after he's been burnt by Teddy initially, then by his mother, not to mention peaches ,she already be aware Franklins on the edge and his trust level pertaining to his money is at an all time low. But him putting a hand around your neck (at a time when he's highly stressed and hes never displayed violence towards you) that's when she conveniently says this is enough and that reason enough to clean him out after everything you've seen him go through. She didn't leave him anything just how Teddy did.. okay he put his hands around your neck you have the right to leave if thats how u feel but taking all the money ,nah."You don't get ah nigga back like that" - Jay Z .. She just showed what she was really all about and who she really was and how much he really meant to her. She was a thief when he met her and she left a scandalous thief, " You was who you was before you got here" - Jay -Z

[@Tes7000]

If Veronique was just about the money, she would have never come back after Franklin put her on a plane to Miami with nearly $2 million in cash at the beginning of season 6. Franklin was delusional and acting about half crazy when Veronique took that $800k and left. She had to, to save herself and their baby from the stupid business move Franklin was about to make with that money. Veronique did not leave Franklin with nothing. Franklin still had the Spring Street property to sell, and even selling it at a loss to Mr. Davis, Franklin could have recouped some of the millions he had invested.

[@8macvar]

@Tes7000 what's 2million to 73million plus all those properties they had... shit wasn't that bad yet to up and leave... Taking 800k and leaving him with a few thousand is just enough to get by...it ain't about what she left... the reality of her doing that especially at that time for him was demoralizing and was the nail in the coffin... that made her the 4th person that took his money... I count cissy as a person that took his money also by that selfish emotional decision she made right before teddy was gonna say the password

[@Tes7000]

@@8macvar I feel you. $2 million is not much compared to $73 million, but $2 million is a hell of a lot more than the $12,000 Franklin found in Peaches' safe and the $20 Franklin bummed off Leon at the end. Ironically, Franklin got the text from his investigator seconds after getting off the phone with the bank officer letting Franklin know the foreclosure was imminent, so Franklin was hoping to recover some of his money from a crackhead probably the exact same day Franklin let himself lose a property with millions in equity. Franklin handed out plenty of L's while he was on top, but he couldn't take his own at the end. You are correct that Franklin was dealing with multiple compounded traumas at the end, but that was part of the game. As a result getting screwed back-to-back-to-back by Peaches, Teddy, Louie, and Cissy, Franklin had become delusional to the point where he could not be reasoned with. In season 4, Franklin had years of experience with Teddy and knew what kind of person he was, suspected Teddy had killed his father, and saw what Teddy did to Grady. After they got hit by Kane's crew, Teddy hit the roof about the Spring Street project and demanded that Franklin pull out. Franklin failed to heed every warning and really thought he and his money were safe from Teddy and the CIA. Veronique didn't make the same mistake as Franklin. Franklin had told her to her face that he was going to invest the entire $800k in the Spring Street property, which Franklin lost only three months later because he wouldn't sell. Veronique would have been the biggest fool ever to allow herself and their baby to end up on Skid Row with Franklin. It sucked for Franklin, but she had no choice. Franklin told Veronique that he was delusional and psychotic, and she believed him and governed herself accordingly. If Veronique had let Franklin put that $800k in the Spring Street property, she would have been powerless to do anything but be broke and watch Franklin eventually lose the property to foreclosure.

[@RL_Williams]

Yeah these dudes didnt really warch the shkw enough to understand fhe characters.

[@MrsBlack8998]

Good point. A lot that happened in the show went over a lot of people's heads because they don't understand nuance.

[@RL_Williams]

@@MrsBlack8998 💗💗💗

[@jasonwills1990]

Yo that's the first time I seen someone tell the true.. everyone betrayed him.. if they didn't alot things would of been different.. there's a cause and effect to every act.. he did what most people would of did.. 😢😢😢😢

[@cliffpostell508]

Leon accidentally killed that girl. Jerome killed Skully's girl. Wtf is ole dude talking about?

[@JCMELKOR]

the moment cissy asked to go with him I knew the deal wasn't gonna go thru

[@MrMannekuin]

dont judge all drunks or addicts you dont know were they been betrayal destroys the sprirt when family fu$ks you .Watch the series again theres so many clues. Awsome series and i think it ended well You cant mix money with family not like that it never ends well if your black you should know this...... it wasnt a tv show it was real the games the same just different players going around in circles playing different roles.

[@basementprotagonists747]

Friends too sadly

[@chrisshowers2192]

Franklin deserved everything he got he let that money just take over his entire life..... I see it as you win sum you loose sum if I got 73 million one time I can most definitely do it again 💯

[@marcin5690]

Idk Franklin kinda deserved it after killing Miguel for no reason and other things he did

[@LLKK4EVER]

If he would of got the money it never would of ended. He was going let teddy live and the chaos would of kept going that's y cissy killed teddy to end it all finally

[@basementprotagonists747]

Why not just let him get the money? He was out the game.

[@dvcasey1]

Mane what is this cat talking about Teddy bleeds his pops, so Bleed Teddy’s, the Only issue is Frank didn’t do it for his father.

[@papaadot9369]

V was not in it for herself

[@kennycatl8067]

moms saved him, once you take illegal money they got you.

[@johnnyoldenjr.]

Naw teddy ghosted his father... wtf you talking about he killed his father thats on teddy.

[@laurancebell3015]

He owned millions of dollars in assets.

[@johnnyoldenjr.]

Why this man keep using these crazy terms for a hobo or whino😂😂

[@darrenjohnson7857]

He hustled too hard to burn out as a bum *

[@Arimas-bx2rt]

He got what he deserved. He was selfish and didn't care about anyone but himself. Not to mention, he seemed to think that he built it all himself. Yes, he got the connect and he got everything started but Jerome, Lee and Louie did all of the leg work and they took most of the risk, especially Lee. Cissy did not betray Franklin. Cissy knew that had Franklin got that money, there would be more death and destruction because Franklin was never going to stop. He had every opportunity to get out of the drug business, which is what she wanted from the beginning. That's why she got him into real-estate. She was trying to give him a way out but he wouldn't take it. Just like Teddy, it was never going to be enough so she put an end to it for him. Lee knew why Cissy did what she did and he was not going to let her imprisonment be in vain. Veronique was trying to help Franklin salvage what he had left. She was not trying to go behind his back and sell his company and keep the money. Since Veronique is more business savvy, she was just trying to give him other options by speaking with Paul Davis about his stake in the development but Franklin over reacted because he was drunk and losing his mind.

[@basementprotagonists747]

Your forgetting Franklin did give up the game after Louie and Jerome betrayed him. The last season was him trying to get his money back and leave the game. How many times did he have to fix a situation or be the voice of reason? His girl was trifling for what she did. Because he falls on hard times. Wipe him out and steal his child away?

[@papaadot9369]

​@@basementprotagonists747v had to leave Franklin just put his hands around her neck plus he killed somebody in front of her

[@GTO_CAL]

He was killing his own people selling drugs to them and willing I kill loved ones over money ..somethin that's meaningless Yes he did deserve this and worse

[@basementprotagonists747]

Finally somebody gets it!

[@GTO_CAL]

@@basementprotagonists747 my brother n laws dad was in that life when he was in middle school, he witnessed his dad shoot his mom in the head and chest over money for that rock ,and he was stupid rich That destroyed the entire family ,his moms brothers came looking for his dad to kill him ,I was around 5 years old then I actually got shot in the leg when they came to shoot up the house