So I Tried Civilization 7...

[@inthemilkynight]

appreciate your perspective! nice to get a civ 7 impression from someone at a little more of a distance from the franchise

[@danparsons5327]

Isabella of Egypt ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

[@Tessssaa]

But does this game have harpies?

[@Quarbit]

modders will get on that soon

[@YOMIsaac]

They have leveling systems for the leaders...? Why? Thanks for showing off the game, Quarbit! Fun explanatory video.

[@nbewarwe]

I actually do kind of like the idea of it. It rewards you for pursuing a certain path and, or whatever it's based on. Maybe if it were rebranded to bonuses for the Civ and not not the leader it would be better. A lot of gripes with this game seem to be stemmed in issues that would be fixed if the leaders and civs just swapped roles in the game. Like the leaders changed with age and the civs remained permanent.

[@nbewarwe]

One of my favorite systems from civ 6 was the loyalty system, simply for the fact that it heavily discouraged forward settling. It wasn't perfect and was pretty wonky sometimes, but it pretty much made aggressive forward settling impossible. If you want to do that you either had to a: make sure it was surrounded by friendly cities first so the enemy's loyalty pressure is effectively countered by your own (which in this case, it's not even that much of a forward settle, since it's so close to your empire by that point)or b: sink a bunch of money and resources into the city to stave off the pressure until it's big and loyal on it's own. Either way, you couldn't just get away with settling one city on the opposite side of the continent right next to an enemy capital without handing the enemy a free city. It seemed like the defection system in this video is the successor to that, but the fact that it's limited to the end of the age and looks randomized is a major downgrade in my opinion.

[@BulletRain100]

It seems clear that the developers were trying to make Civilization play closer to how history actually works, so now war seems to be the only tool available to solve territorial disputes. There is merit to that approach, but it also seems like every play through will be more or less the same as there are more limited strategies for success.

[@iambrando8342]

0:13 civ 5 is goated as far as civilization games go

[@aelix56]

To me peak civ was civ iv with caveman 2 cosmos.

[@Dwarfpete]

Yeah, CIV7 Is gonna be a pass for me. This looks like an Alpha build and this is supposed to release in a month? This looks worse than VIC3 did on launch and that is an accomplishment, lets just list some missing/broken features: - Minimap doesn't work, Notice how the cities don't have their borders defined? - You can't return cities after a war, this has been a feature since Civ4 atleast, no clue why this wouldn't be a given. - Tech and Civic research screens are unreadable, which one is the selected tech? Why can you not que up research? - Why the **** do I have to play to unlock content? I get gating content to not overwhelm the player, but since when has a core tenet of the civ series been meta-progression? I'm not going to comment on the lack of balance overall, that's par for the course with modern CIV, afterall, CIV6's motto was pretty much "if everything is broken, then nothing is broken." I get that Quarbit might not be allowed to call attention to these issues as part of the early content negotiation, but this is just not the quality that is expected of Civilization, this is a joke for a game that's been in development for half a decade.

[@MuppetLord1]

Somebody woke up grumpy today. xD

[@kaplanbahadir2301]

​@@MuppetLord1no, no, he's got a point.

[@Wariyaka]

@@kaplanbahadir2301 No lol he don't

[@gladiatorone9023]

Civ 7 looks beautiful for me, but I absolutly hate these Humankind mechanics. I don't want my Catherine II or Augustus lo lead Egypt or China. I want them to lead their own original countries, Rome and Russia. And I don't want to change my civs. The whole point of Civ games was building your only nation throught ages, not to switch it fot another one...

[@elpito9326]

Honestly, I'd like the Civilization change system if there was like a natural progression. China has it, for example, you can start as the Han, then go to the Ming and end with the Qing. But I don't want to start as Ibn Battuta of the Aksumites, then become Arab and end up as an Indian... That's just foul

[@McGesme]

​@@elpito9326 Yes, but they were too busy copying Humankind... As you said, fir Civ7, they schould have been "pick a set of civ" or even "pick a civ, and change the leader each era" with a leader of this civ (i mean, beginning with cleopatra, then salladin, then nasser for egypt for instance)

[@elpito9326]

@@McGesme yes, honestly, I agree

[@gladiatorone9023]

@elpito9326 yes! Exactly! China has that way, since it's the only civilisation that lasted from ancient times to modern! But what about Rome? What about the US? Surely, it's a game of compromises, where we have to admit lots of inaccuracies. It's not possible to make a natural progression for each and every civ. And yet, I think that the system from Civ 5/6 was better

[@nbewarwe]

@ I heard from the devs that they went with civ switching for balancing reasons. It's much easier to balance civs limited to one age than to try to balance them across all of them. While I do think the mechanic has some merit to it, I do agree with you, it might've been more accepted by players if it were swapped to changing leaders instead. Because leaders aren't timeless. They die, and even their legacies fade, but their impact is still enough to get them next leader going, or whatever motivational shlock you can get from that.

[@SkeIIum]

This looks really bad. I buy Civ because I want to play Civ. While it's neat that humankind added new things, and some other games have tried different directions this doesnt feel like Civ it feels like something totally different and if I want different I can just buy something else. This basically means we wont have another civ game for a decade.

[@Rudy-du2mt]

Technology tree UI is so bad, I can barely differentiate if I researched a technology or not. Good video! ❤

[@CAIR-Duragon]

Thank you for the heads up, Quarbit. I guess the feeling of wanting to stop playing after each era change maybe is intended for people to not stay too much time playing. I would have thought that, since Civ 7 releases in February, the early access videos would release at late january or so, so it was a surprise for me to see this video published.

[@nbewarwe]

34:57 Is it possible you needed to choose to keep the city and then choose to give it back to Ibn in a diplomatic interaction? I think that something similar was the case in Civ 5 but I don't remember. I know Civ 6 gave you the option to return cities instantly. It would be unfortunate if Civ 7 didn't give you any way to do that.

[@Quarbit]

That's possible, I'll take a look

[@thomasbuckley1436]

It's weird that they made Civilization Beyond Earth II: Back to Earth.

[@dualrotorhelicopter]

i was thinking the same thing. i don’t get why they made civ5 in a civ6 style with back asswards mechanics

[@theemptyones1150]

This game seems to be a goodie bag of ideas with a mixed time of work. Less like a cohesive thought out process and more like a sectional stage based idea that sacrifices the flow for the sake of new ideas and mechanics. Just watching it bored me becuase nothing added up and felt like a setback from my perspective watching this video. I doubt that the gameplay mechanisms responsible will change drastically from this version in the final release but I can hope it does

[@goestah]

no hate toward this video but literally none of the new ideas they have for civ 7 compared to 6 or 5 seem in any way shape or form appealing to play for me

[@derekskelton4187]

Why does this seem like Age of Wonders without the fantasy races?

[@micheleinsisa8791]

The more i watch about civ7 the more im convinced is not gonna be more fun than civ6

[@mythicfolfi4652]

Fine then! No need to make your hate visible on every single video that comes out about it. Just let the rest of us enjoy it!

[@yoshman6696]

Civ 7 is just humankind 2. If I wanted to play humankind, I'd play humankind. Easy pass

[@nikolaitregouet]

You think you’re smart, but you really aren’t… Humankind was a total flop. Civ 7 looks like a lot of fun, but you haven’t followed it all, yet you spurt out some bullshit comment. Nice

[@skampis3554]

@@nikolaitregouet Changing your civ every era is not fun imo

[@nikolaitregouet]

@@skampis3554 give it a try, then make your judgement)

[@Thooori]

@@nikolaitregouet wtf

[@admiralswood5291]

Great video Quarbit! Sadly I can't see Civ in this, what happened to building a civilization to stand the test of time?

[@frazonedracaoo6981]

Civ 7 is an abomination not worthy if being called civilization.

[@davidballantyne4492]

The AI, age mechanics, and crises system all seem very annoying.

[@dualrotorhelicopter]

it’s sad, i think i’ll just stick with civ 5

[@MrHudson2212]

looks like a mobile game inspired by civ tbh

[@thisismine945]

Civ 7 honestly looks kinda dogshit ngl

[@sup3rhyp3r56]

The UI maybe, but I love the art style for the game way more than 6

[@skampis3554]

@@sup3rhyp3r56 The gameplay itself is ass however.

[@sup3rhyp3r56]

@@skampis3554 I’ve seen a bunch of videos of different people and it all seems like fun, then again can never really know until we get to play

[@thisismine945]

​@@sup3rhyp3r56the gameplay is definitely the breaker for me. I want to play the civilization I pick, the whole way through. I just don't like the whole new age and collapsing mechanical at all.

[@sup3rhyp3r56]

@ to each their own, I personally don’t mind it and will see how the switch to having preferred leaders so that you can level them up and get modifiers will play out

[@Phillip_of_Burns]

I'll go back and play Civ 2 before I play civ 7

[@PinkMawile]

I love the art design for undiscovered tiles… The rest not so much. It just looks like a more bland Civ V

[@PogodaPanda0118]

The reason you’re technology and civics restarted is because you didn’t choose the science or culture golden age, those make your science and culture buildings in antiquity ageless, keeping your lead. If you wanted to blitz with science or culture you gotta play a science or culture Civ. Although, the AI forward settling thing is BS because we already had a solution to that in the Civ 6 loyalty system. I think I’ll like this game because I’m actually a fan of the ages system but unfortunately they still really suck at making good UI. They really should just pay modders to make it for them lol because they consistently do a better job than vanilla.

[@Quarbit]

For sure, but what I meant is that you and the AI are back to parity in terms of tech, not point generation. So if you do really well in the first age and complete all the techs but the AI is missing like 4 or 5 of them, that disparity is erased upon reaching the next age, since now everyone starts with no tech researched

[@PogodaPanda0118]

@ That’s fair, I think future tech/civic is supposed to fix that by giving you a bonus later for completing the tech/civic tree but it’s clearly not doing that so they should fix it. However it seems like it’s intentional from dev streams that everyone is on an even playing field after an age transition so they might not budge on it :/ tbh I’m not sure how you could fix it without causing the same problem Ages were supposed to solve: the game snowballing into a boring victory lap in the end game after doing well in the first eras.

[@de6212]

Lot of things look cool and interesting, but I can't believe they brought back allowing forward settlements. That was always probably the stupidest part of the pre Civ 6 games. Historically it's not like every area not in an official empire was just empty land. There were people there already who tended to be linked with the closest political power.

[@tw7998]

I know america building the pyramids etc was unrealistic, but this mix and matching of leaders is a step too far for me in divorcing the game from any historical context. I am also a bit baffled that Britain / England is absent from the game.

[@jemuzu7111]

While it doesn't look like the civ we knew previously, i'm happy they decided to change, after civ6 i had a feeling that there wasn't much to add in next game but this gives that fresh air i wanted ngl

[@thewisemansfool]

this looks like a shitty knockoff of civ

[@vallar57]

There are some things I like a lot, and some I don't vibe with. It seems like an interesting game overall, but I'll probably wait until it's on discount. Until then I'll probably grab a bottle of rum. Yohoho.

[@IrtaMan228]

Wait there's Civ 7 now?!

[@davidballantyne4492]

comes out next month

[@x_Arone_x]

compared to civ6 I really hate how civ7 looks

[@nbewarwe]

To say one positive about the game, I do think the building system is cool. The placement and adjacencies look right out of civ 6 but expanded upon. Rather than just keeping it to a few districts, all buildings now need to have careful placements to be thought about. Hopefully they can keep this system and expand upon it in a future title. It seems like a good direction for Civ's infrastructure mechanics. Also the resource system looks really good. The fact that you can not only assign them to cities but they each give a unique bonus makes them far more individually important rather than all of them being generic luxuries or strategics. Hope this gets kept down the line too.

[@galengraham9982]

i find it frustrating when people hate on Civ VII for being "humankind 2" or "nothing at all like civ". if they made 7 copies of Civ 1, we'd all just be playing Civ 1 cause why buy the same game 7 times? I like when Civ takes big swings and tries new systems, and I'm happy to play new experiences! even if it's not my favorite Civ, it seems like it'll still be fun to play :)

[@HeyImLucious]

Then play a different game. The entire point behind calling it *Civilization* is to be a *Civilization* game. Astonishing concept, I know, but most people don't appreciate large changes in gameplay. That's why there hasn't been a Mario Kart where you get out of your cart and start doing platforming to get to a new kart mid-race.

[@MuppetLord1]

Looking forward to it, civ never dissapoints!

[@Goony1246]

lol

[@MuppetLord1]

@@Goony1246 lol

[@doppel5627]

I'm not impressed. Mixing leaders and civs... Nah. When the Civ VI was being planned, I bought early acces to get some perks. I think I played 3 campaigns to the end. That game was broken. Tanks in 450 AD, and they didn't do anything to fix that in a decade.

[@Goony1246]

In all honesty, as a civ game, it looks dogshit. As a standalone tho it might be fun. Either way, hard pass.

[@MuppetLord1]

Would you not say its good its kinda clean slate at each age tho? If you get too much ahead it makes it to easy so can keep the challenge at least a bit for later into the game. :)

[@BrandonMiller-qe1rk]

As a massive Civ fan I desperately want to be excited for this game, but everything I've seen so far just makes me sad. Switching civs mid game is not it

[@a1phamemes734]

I feel like the ages will be an improvement, I have almost 800 hrs across civ V and VI and I have probably quit a majority of my games because it got boring from how much i snowballed. I imagine that age changing will reel me back in and make the game feel a bit more equal.

[@Pokeeko]

When you know how to play Civ after hundreds of hours and defeating deity AIs obviously it gets tiring, you could always opt to play vs humans, removing the snowball effect is stupid and not the way

[@Thooori]

this really isnt that appealing and its way too expensive

[@manooxi327]

So much new stuff 😫

[@bradleystevens4618]

Civ 5 is goated, none of the other installments stack up to it. This is my first look at gameplay and the map seems kinda hard to read... And forward settling is annoying and stupid. However, reading the other comments screeching that it's too woke and it dishonors the sacred soul of the franchise and britain isn't in the game (based and hilarious, 10/10) makes me really want to play it anyway. If the chuds are this triggered, it's probably pretty good

[@HeyImLucious]

Please touch grass

[@wyvernscale9634]

Ohhhh I literally cannot wait for this game lmao. I'm so excited!

[@catto3504]

Woahhhhhh

[@Alex-dp1bk]

Why does everyone have to start complaining in the comments of each of these civ 7 vids? Like seriously, not every new game is going to look like the previous titles... what's the point of spending money to develop a new game if they end up making it the same as one of the old titles? The whole point of changing things is to innovate and see what sticks with people.

[@konplayz]

The concept of having Pachacuti of the Mississippi and Isabella of Ancient Egypt is just extremely wacky and off putting and honestly just forces me to be cynical and only see the negatives. Zazzau and Buganda being in the game whilst Germany, Babylon or the Ottomans aren’t (confirmed) is also baffling.

[@Alex-dp1bk]

@@konplayz Honestly, that issue feels so easy to fix. Just add a setting to force the correct character-country pairs.

[@konplayz]

@@Alex-dp1bk That’s the thing - you can’t. Egypt is only an ancient (or whatever they call it now) era civ. you’ll *have to* change in the “exploration” era (i think that is the second age). It’d make sense if you could switch to I don’t know, the Fatimids or some sort of Byzantine Egypt, but those obviously aren’t civilisations - you can only switch to some geographically “near” civs or if you used a lot of horses you can be Mongolia led by Hatshepsut.

[@elpito9326]

​@@konplayz Zazzau isn't in the game btw

[@HeyImLucious]

"why do people give their comments on a public forum?"

[@konplayz]

Looks like utter garbage, but that’s what thought too with Civ 6, but that grew on me.

[@skampis3554]

Well civ 6 didn't force you to completely switch civilisations

[@jlfilip]

For Civ 7, TERRIBLE. Civ 5 beats it MASSIVELY!!!! Overall Civ 5 best one so far!!!

[@MegrelThugzThieving]

Sheeeeeesh

[@HeyImLucious]

Why the fuck is there an exp system in my Civ game? Why the fuck is it possible for Isabella to lead Egypt? Holy shit hard pass.

[@de6212]

How could you still be freaking out this much about things announced months ago? Go smoke a bowl

[@heto_7111]

another Civ? is it just me or are Civ games being pumped out bit quickly now

[@gameypotato7596]

Mate it's been like 8 and a half years since the last main entry😭😭😭

[@101magj]

@@gameypotato7596that’s quick in Paradox time x)

[@gcm530]

There was a larger gap between Civ 6 -> 7 than 5 -> 6 lol, an upgrade was needed

[@heto_7111]

@gameypotato7596 ...no way its already 8 years pls tell me its a joke 😭

[@gameypotato7596]

@@heto_7111 I wish I was my friend😿

[@SerowyKról-CheeseKing]

12 minutes and only 93 views? Bro fell off

[@ThatRossiKid]

This looks horrible

[@Jenny-zu6nm]

looks bad

[@aelix56]

That's dumb the country separate from the leader I don't like it.

[@Pokeeko]

Seems pretty shit, it might take them some years to get it to an okay degree, like civ VI, so, a hard pass till some years pass, seems like shit right now