SO MUCH INFORMATION - Game of Thrones - History and Lore Season 1 - Reaction

[@HuntingViolets]

One thing to keep in mind is that these are basically narrated as if by the characters, so all their their POVs with incorrect assumptions and information and prejudices are intact here.

[@LazloHo]

This was fascinating! I realized, while watching it, that when people in the show, "swear by the old gods and the new," the 'new' gods they refer to are over 6000 years old!

[@bastiancalderon2807]

Wildlings descend from the First Men, different than the Children of the Forest. They are people outside of the Wall and thus outside from the society of Westeros, so people from the inside, including the Night's Watch, treat the Wildlings like savages, sometimes rightfully so. There are several different wildling tribes

[@HH-hd7nd]

11:35 No. The wildings are humans - the children of the forest are non-humans. They were an entirely different species. George Martin said once that inspiration for them came from celtic and norse elven mythology (without making them elves, he just drew some inspiration from these mythologies). The wildings are just humans that live north of the wall. Doesn't make them any less interesting btw. 59:54 Answering that question is simple: They didn't have to. The last of the dragons died about a century before the rebellion. Which means the Targaryans had no dragons left. As a matter of fact Dragons also had vanished from the massive continent of Essos (the eastern continent), even from the Shadowlands east of Asshai. If you want to know more about the world and the history of the world I strongly recomment the book "A World of Ice and Fire: The Untold History of Westeros and a Game of Thrones", written by George R.R. Martin. It is not a novel, its more of a history book and Atlas and is basically spoiler free for people who have not read the novels or watched the show. It is primarily focusing on Westeros, but also gives an overview for Essos and even a short description of the third continent, Sothoryos, the southern continent. It also has some stunning artwork.

[@FrshChees91]

Loras Tyrell, the Knight of Flowers and Renly's lover, is the only Tyrell you've met. I'm pretty sure at least.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

I think that’s probably true, though they’ll start popping in fairly soon..

[@phousefilms]

@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Only a few, since they cut down the Tyrell family by so goddamn much...

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

I think they made them repetitive to help it really sink in. If they only told the stories once or twice, it would be easy to forget. After hearing it 5 or 6 times, from differing perspectives, it’s much easier to really understand it.

[@titoluizpereira6281]

That's also because that's how G. R. R. Martin does his worldbuilding. There is no official history of Westeros, just myths and point of views.

[@Honkeydoodle]

@@titoluizpereira6281 No, that`s not the reason and it`s also a completely meaningless statement in this context. You're actually just parroting something you once heard about this world building but didn't understand it.

[@andrew_rickard]

The term Lord of the Seven Kingdoms or King of the Seven Kingdoms is merely symbolic, indicating Aegon's dominion over the lands that were once seven kingdoms, and ended up becoming a title of the one who sits on the iron throne, just like the titles of King of the Andals and First Men, indicating his dominance over those peoples.

[@kappa_06]

"There is to much lore for this universe" Litteraly, the autor write 1000 years of history. And he write IN DETAILS the 300 years before GOT. With so detail that we make many spin off with today ! Litteraly, GOT is one of the best lore universe I never read.

[@balerion77]

59:53 Balerion "the Black dread " was the largest but not bigger than cities or towns. You must've misheard , When He flew over Small towns His SHADOW from the sun would cover the towns . Even this could be an exaggeration by the narrator VISERYS. Remember it's all from their biased views.

[@Thisthatandmatt]

You did the right thing watching this. I didn’t before I first watched it and it was hard sometimes to keep up with who was who and what had happened. It gives a lot of context. It’s also interesting how different houses view the history so differently. There’s no such thing as truth in history books, just the victors perspective.

[@ms_scribbles]

The Andals were a people from Essos in a land called Andalus. They came to Westeros after fleeing the conquering armies of the Empire of Valyria. So, nope, they're not Targaryens. The people the Targaryens belong to were the Valyrians.

[@ms_scribbles]

Now that I'm back from working/having dinner/resting, let me correct a misconception Robert Baratheon had in the section on the Mad King. (I don't blame the writing, though. GRRM likes to use the unreliable narrator trope a lot.) Cersei, if I remember right, also claims that the Targaryens had a 50/50 chance of being insane. This isn't true. In the three hundred years that the Targaryens ruled Westeros, only three kings were actually insane, and only two out of the three were dangerous to others. The third was only dangerous to himself, starving himself to death through one of his religious fasts. That's three, in three hundred years. Meaning only one every hundred years was insane. There were a couple in the family that weren't kings that were mad, but not *nearly* enough to make the 50/50 claim true. It's a lie.

[@darksaint0124]

The reason the Andals went to Westeros is not actually known. If you actually look into the myths of the Andals you would find that a lot of what they say about themselves as a society is false. For instance they say they brought writing to Westeros, but the Citadel existed long before they came and there are no historical writings left anywhere in the world by Andals. They said similar things about circular building methods that also exist on Westeros long before they showed up. They also hide the fact that they used to be a slave society. There is more, but I'm not here to list all the faults of the Andals.

[@Katerine459]

So glad you watched this! It really does give a whole other level of appreciation for the world, doesn't it? And this is still just the tip of the iceberg, compared to what's in the books! :) It is a shame that they couldn't get Sean Bean to give Ned's POV. Or at least I assume that's the reason. But it may be for the best. Speaking as somebody who read the books, there are some things about Ned's POV (his feelings about some of the events covered in this video) that might have... I couldn't figure out a way to end that sentence without spoilers.

[@svampen7782]

These stories are told from the perspetive of the Characters. You can really tell what they think like when Tywin called the white walkers fairy tale. You also see how different Viserys and Robert talk about the war and of Rhaegar and Aerys. One theme of the books and the show is perspective. Robert talks about Rhaegar as the worst person to ever live while others have nothing but good things to say about him. Only Ned and Howland Reed know the truth.

[@PablitaOrtega77]

i love that you are reacting to this. it will really help you understand and appreciate the show better (the first few seasons at least)

[@rkempo]

Viseyras or however you spell his name, the best reader in the game. He kept true composure to character.

[@phousefilms]

I'm glad that you will react to these after the seasons, as they're important and are often information cut out of the books. But because the show does its own things at times as the series goes on, consider these to be more book accurate.

[@mamakat114]

I'm glad you are doing History & Lore. I wished I'd known about these years ago.

[@saberstrike000]

One or two things about the Night's Watch that are semi-subtextual: The famed equality is certainly stronger than in most of Westeros, but nobleborn and knights are faaaaaar more likely to rise to command (remember when Jon gets humbled for being smug about his fighting skills that he only had because of the advantages of his birth? The same is true about administration and leadership.) Almost every Lord Commander mentioned in the books is either from a landed House or bears the surname of a noble bastard, even if the books say that commons frequently become commanders. The other thing is that outside of the North, a lot of those nobles and knights joined because they were on the losing side of a war and either wouldn't bend the knee or were condemned for treason. Ser Allister Thorne (the Master-at-Arms) in particular, fought for the Targaryens during Robert's Rebellion. I suspect that might be why he dislikes Jon in particular: his only 'crime' was loyalty and after years of training rapists and thieves, now he has to deal with insouciance from the bastard of (to his eyes) a traitor to the crown.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

As an experiment, I’d like to see a reactor watch the Histories & Lore before starting season 1. I’m guessing they’d go in with a far better understanding of what’s happening. Of course, they could be completely overwhelmed & tune out. I suppose it would depend on the reactor.

[@MrCzerillo]

Pretty sure they are made to watch first. They are spoiler free for their season.

[@Katerine459]

I think most would tune out when they have no context to connect the lore to. What would be really interesting is seeing (or at least hearing) from somebody who watched the season, then watched the lore, then rewatched the season. A bit like the difference between the reactions of the book fans to seeing the show (in my case, a major geekgasm the first time I saw the map during the opening credits), vs. first-time viewers.

[@havok6280]

​@@MrCzerillothey were released in the DVDs. They were not released before the season. So, no, they were meant to be watched after each season.

[@GodlessScummer]

So glad you're reacting to this.

[@davisiotta489]

45:39 yes, they were. At least until Aerys...

[@jimforman3754]

so much fun

[@kappa_06]

One of the difference between The mad king Aerys and Joffrey is : Joffrey have Tywin Lannister with him, not against him. And Tywin is clearly one of the dangerous man of this world, very clever and competent, and without remorses.

[@Jose-Lozanchez]

Buenos Días, I think that this Saga is cyclical, at least the books, what I do know well is that this Saga is not predictable, I will enjoy making our way together ♥❄&🔥´♬

[@BlackValyria]

Dont talk during these. Just pause or wait til the next scene break

[@MrCzerillo]

No good ever came from dragons.

[@peteperkins3859]

So much false information.

[@flameshot4647]

Honestly, im sick of the targaryens. i think westeros would be a lot better off without them just like it was before.

[@VeladRopspir]

I don't want to disappoint you, but in Daenerys' book, Targaryen goes crazy and is called the Mad Queen

[@cyrilmeynier5688]

GRRM's Valyria is a, too my taste, a bit too similar to Tolkien's Numenor. Huge lost empire, that was generations ahead of everyone else technologically. Lost overnight in a cataclysmic event. Surviving families formed kingdoms elsewhere.

[@nansyraccoon7095]

@cyrilmeynier5688 Many things from GOT are similar to LOTR and GRRM was inspired by JRRT, he sayed it himself...

[@senior_comrade8401]

Atlantis blessed by god and Magical Third Reich are really different in my opinion. Lost superior civilization- yeah.. kinda everywhere. But you can not compare this stupid long living Valar worshippers to people who were gods themselves. Hail Valyria! The Republic of 14 thousands flames, skies lit with red light, towers tall, dragons roaring.

[@Enkijamenk]

To be fair, there’s only so many “kinds” of stories. “The Hero of a Thousand Faces” is a thing for a reason. I don’t think deriving some inspiration from (or even paying respectful homage to) another story is an evil. The devil is in the details, and nothing about ASOIAF _feels_ like Middle-Earth. The vibe and style and characters are so different. And, honestly, Númenor feels like an idealized medieval kingdom, sort of like a magical Camelot, while Valyria, with its dragonriders, organic-looking spires, and volcanic landscape, seems downright alien and exotic in-comparison. Númenor gave us a line of brave, noble (though sometimes flawed) leaders and heroes. Valyria gave us a line of half-mad, inbred, purple-eyed, platinum-haired anime villains. I never really consciously compare the two. 😂

[@Watcherobot]

This is why GOT is the best TV show ever written, yes including season 8

[@titoluizpereira6281]

This is precisely the reason why season 6, 7 and 8 were so terribly written. And if you think season 8 was well written, you need to watch more TV shows, my sweet summerchild.

[@Watcherobot]

@@titoluizpereira6281 I don't think it was amazingly written season 8 ep 4 is the worst in the show. The long night and you know who killing you know who (not saying in case Lex reads this) was impeccable. The last episode was rushed I admit and should have been season 9 Oh and by the way I also liked the Star Wars sequels and the DCEU, and I've watched plenty of Tv shows, I just finished FALLOUT for example, and I can tell when writing is bad, LOST seasons 4 and 5 are terrible and so are the new seasons of the Walking Dead.

[@Isaaaa_Belle]

@@Watcherobot you know who killing you know who was the weakest moment of the whole show. such lame and predictable writing. a toddler would come up with a better story.

[@nansyraccoon7095]

No

[@nansyraccoon7095]

​@@Watcherobot you know who killing you know who was so stupid and annoing...

[@JFrancoDrums]

Its always really cool to watch these!! The lore in Game of Thrones is awesome!

[@rossrreyes]

It’s good you are watching it all at once; watching it for 8 years to see the below-average ending wasn’t worth it

[@Banterbear]

This is all history that would eventually get revealed in the show in the form of exposition. Takes some of the interest out of learning it later.🤷.

[@Katerine459]

I disagree; watching it in this format, all at once, aids a huge amount in putting things together and realizing how big this world is. Because there's quite a lot of history that goes into fleshing this world, and obviously the show is more concerned with the present. It's the same with having the appendices at the end of the books. Kind of dry reading, but when you can see the family trees laid out the way they are, you suddenly appreciate the history behind the events we're watching, and how that history informs. There is a LOT that the typical show-only watcher doesn't know. This video gives a good glimpse of what's directly underneath the tip of the iceberg.

[@Banterbear]

@@Katerine459 The show really does that itself. I don't mind being a tourist in it, you would rather be a resident? One example is when we find out about the Children of the Woods in the show...we do so at a time when they become relevant to the storyline, and they suddenly make the world a lot stranger. If you have seen this, there's no real revelation there. And with Appendixes in book, you don't tend to read them in a big block at the start, you will refer to them when you have to or at the end?

[@senior_comrade8401]

Yeah, of course. “Revealed” In two or three sentences? Later on we will see the rhoynish wars and shit. I don’t remember the show telling us of the origins of the grey scale, water wizards of the Rhoyne or how its colonies were destroyed with the force of 300 freaking dragons. Where is this information in the show?!?₽

[@Banterbear]

@@senior_comrade8401 Greyscale is introduced and we are given as much information as we need at that point. How much do you need to know to about it to see it's effect on so and so, and you can see even discussing this is heading into spoiler territory. I don't know anything about these water wizards you mentioned tbf, so how were they relevant to the storylines being told in the show? We all know there's deep world building. The show touched on the stuff it needed to, and then fans can obviously dig a lot deeper in if they want to, find out about other continents, etc.

[@senior_comrade8401]

@@Banterbear if a human being watches a show, movie, play etc. for the sake of moving pictures and flashing light than I have some bad news on his/her general value as a person. Watching Emilia Clark’s naked tits, while sitting on the couch, drinking beer and ignoring crying annoying children of yours who crave attention is kinda not okay. Those who dive deep in the lore and those with living interest towards the beauty and a good story are the worthy ones. My most humble opinion.