So correction, apparently the Gripen still outturns the F-16 holding S even with the nerf, keep that in mind 😅
@gunpo36449 ай бұрын
I’ve been doing a lot of stat testing after the fm changes and the f15 literally out turns everything by holding s in rb controls. Though it cant do that in sim sas dampaning. So in rb its f15>jas39>f16 and in sim its jas39>f15>f16
@areyou0k989 ай бұрын
@@gunpo3644 F-15 turns hard AF, I've reached a max 20gs before.
@general_dude80259 ай бұрын
so. f15 can turn fight
@areyou0k989 ай бұрын
@@general_dude8025 yes
@theperson51859 ай бұрын
What do you mean by “holding S”
@TransportSupremo9 ай бұрын
Gaijin took away my UFO and replaced it with a delta 😢
@Ryan-go6id9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@DrlftySwlfty9 ай бұрын
Good
@nathanskupowski47269 ай бұрын
@@DrlftySwlftyaverage Russian main response
@DrlftySwlfty9 ай бұрын
@@nathanskupowski4726 I'm a US main
@daviejones319 ай бұрын
Bruh the su27 swats anything out of the sky. More like US main copium
@jonathonspears77369 ай бұрын
Don't know man. I really don't feel the nerf in dogfights that bad. I do notice the difference in drag. You can no longer rip your wings off in level flight. Before the nerf you could hit 1500 on the deck but your wings wouldnt let you. Now you can cruise at 1450 but not any faster.
@davisss22319 ай бұрын
Banger video as always! Keep up the work
@GeneralLee20009 ай бұрын
Thanks! Will do!
@ruansteenkamp42899 ай бұрын
It's crazy how people are only talking about the flight model nerf when they also nerfed the max ammo from 502 - 120, that's more that a 70% drop
@areyou0k989 ай бұрын
Y'all keep throwing around the word nerf like it's an esports game, all they did was drop the ammo to its irl stats. Not a nerf to change it to its real stats lol.
@skolaskellofkells61959 ай бұрын
From 512 and itwas only a place holder on the dev server, it was never going to have this much ammo on the live server
@evangalinsky24999 ай бұрын
Wasn't hard to predict they were going to nerf it after a few days. It's something they've done the last like 5+ patches on at least 1 plane. And have done inconsistently for years before that. I knew it was coming.
@covenantslayergaming63629 ай бұрын
The (laser guided) GBU's have two limitations. A. They have a limited FOV to see the laser, so you can't drop it anywhere and then it'll magically find and follow the laser. B. They just received a nerf and will begin to see the laser at around 3 to 3.5km or so. Solution: Try to use the ccrp to drop the bombs reasonably close to where the target is or will be, once the bomb gets in range it'll see the laser in front of it and guide.
@machans3729 ай бұрын
Pre order the A10 they said….. 9.3 they said………..
@misterragnar25219 ай бұрын
Best part is if you look at the issues page, it was brought up by a Russian Main named MiG_23M. The guy does nothing but bitch about it. Not only that but someone brought up the fact that realistically speaking the maneuverability is probably close to how it was originally but because the numbers on it are classified, it was nerfed. Love it.
@Deviss29 ай бұрын
I would consider D mavs, to be more hit and miss with the only benefit of them is them working at night, B are fine from my experience.
@GeneralLee20009 ай бұрын
Really? The Ds have worked much much better for me personally
@Deviss29 ай бұрын
@@GeneralLee2000 could be anecdotal but thats just my experience
@Cloud_Stratus9 ай бұрын
They knew a bunch of people will use GE to boost research this thing. Typical Gaijin.
@SteelxWolf9 ай бұрын
As always, the gut feeling is correct
@CircuitCatWT9 ай бұрын
I hope we get the aoa buff, I want a draken equivalent at top tier 🙏
@ZigzagEnd9 ай бұрын
just got it like 20 minutes ago, been grinding since release
@mtxdp43929 ай бұрын
7:20 laser guided bombs will only start tracking when they get within 5 (pretty sure its 5) km from the laser. so basically they will fly like a dumb bomb towards where the ccip was until they get within range of the target, then they track. hopefully that makes sense
@zahnatom9 ай бұрын
the flight control sytem limits the gripen to ~26° of AoA. IRL it did reach like over 90° aoa but that was because it crashed and the fcs couldnt keep up anymore lmao. the "different stages" are for G pull(9g vs 12G) not AoA.
@nicktune12199 ай бұрын
Laser guided bombs are buggy if you use mavericks. You need to reset the laser or something if you switch to mavs and then back to bombs.
@easterndragon1949 ай бұрын
This is still the most braindead OP top tier plane for most people in the current top tier meta, because it is tiny, has 720 flares and is still maneuverable at all speeds.
@cl3matis9 ай бұрын
3:27 can confirm it loses to the F-16C. At most speeds, actually, you have to be like mach 0.85 or higher before you can pull into the Viper
@jnlk25059 ай бұрын
As it should
@coloneljason90949 ай бұрын
I mean yeah,what were guys expecting from this plane? Its a worse F-16..
@Luisasophie1639 ай бұрын
it can pull more aoa so no the nerf its just wrong@@coloneljason9094
@honzavasicek9 ай бұрын
Well exept we do have chart with WT sustained turns and gripen wins exept high speeds. It absolutely shits on F16C at low speed. You can afford to run low fuel in gripen, you cant in F16. Where you can confortably dogfight in gripen with like 6-7 mins of fuel with more than enough to win and RTB, you have to RTB with F16C so almost every time, you have lower fuel state and even on same fuels, its beating 16C. 30 mins fuel F16C does 14.53°/s STR at 200kts IAS, Gripen does 16.81. Only place where its comparable is 350 knots IAS and F16 loses speed way faster while having worse acceleration and you need to loosen the turn more in F16 to accelerate. In 1 turn, You are at speeds where gripen shits on everything ingame currently. In a fact, F16C loses to F15A in STR at low speeds. Gripen rules low speed sustain and ITR across the board exept few speeds where F16A gets broken FM and pulls 35°/s. Properly tested numbers are actually saying opposite to what you say and there are barely any sustained turn fights at high speed, it always starts at ITR where gripen wins and apparently still lacks some and ends up on lowest possible STR speeds where gripen beats all opposition at top tier currently.
@keineahnung15679 ай бұрын
Gripen wins against F-16C and looses against F-16A ADF
@wonderwaffle58589 ай бұрын
bro the obese mii jingle 😭 😭 😭
@rosspixs41769 ай бұрын
cas in top tier rb is so pointless spawn in only 10km away from map and already get a pansir thundercuning a missle at you
@TransportSupremo9 ай бұрын
Have you tried not flying straight into it
@fuahrahn9 ай бұрын
@@TransportSupremoseems no, u need brains for it.
@downwindfish19 ай бұрын
Gaijin got a complaint from a Russian player where they only got 10 kills per match instead of 20 and blamed it on the Gripen despite the Su-27 being better than it in every way even before the nerf
@mich4219 ай бұрын
How do you manage to climb without being seen by the enemy team?
@No1harris_989 ай бұрын
Truly a gaijin moment 😔
@islam32949 ай бұрын
And to all this, the snail has reduced the heat generation of the suspended laser container The Litening 2 (((
@albatross88689 ай бұрын
When a delta wing has bwtter energy retention than a 27... Still, 10/10 fm's coulda definitely used that third dev server
@OkenWS9 ай бұрын
Damage models are scuffed right now, all guns and missiles. Worse than in the base major update. Every plane now feels as strong as the pre patch F-5 which just did not ever explode, disintegrate or get a fatal fire. It’s more like DCS at the moment in terms of weapon pK on hit.
@Hurin1709 ай бұрын
bro that periodic flares you have on is driving me insane LOL
@Wotplaya49 ай бұрын
Did a bunch of 1v1s yesterday with the F-15A, F-16C and F-16A against the Gripen, with the F-15A and F-16C it's really about who gets the better first turn. If you have position you most likely just win. The F-15A performs a bit better than the F-16C imo, as the very low speed handling of the F-16C isn't as good. The F-16A however just wins, it's basically the F-16C except you pull 2Gs more at the sweet spots and you get better low speed handling too. Major difference tho is that the F-15A and F-16C (A probably too) can just extend from the Gripen if they have to, from where they can start winning the energy game back. So they don't quite necessarily beat the Gripen in its own game (unlike the F-16A), but if you start extending etc you will win. Oh well...
@Rorywizz9 ай бұрын
I've been in multiple 1v3s against Flankers and such and survived and even won just by turning and turning endlessly, even after the nerf. I hope it doesn't get nerfed anymore
@draghoverde9 ай бұрын
we did too a lot of custom 1v1 gripen vs F-16A (netz) and gripen won everytime so idk what are you talking about
@aleksanderf46729 ай бұрын
F15 can do "things" to Gripen in vertical. (Almost feels like playing Mig19 vs harriers)
@jablku9 ай бұрын
4:54 what da tomcat doing
@weltall72839 ай бұрын
I don't play Sweden but this actually made me feel bad for them. They got a good jet and gaijin had to nerf it right after release. Of course the 100% legitimate REEEAAALL reason that it got nerfed was that gripen players killed too many flankers. Can't have that
@neobrandeggen9 ай бұрын
Or maybe, just maybe, the Gripen would tear itself apart at 17G pull in real life?
@Bardown_Biscuit9 ай бұрын
Also the flanker pulling 16 lmao
@GeneralLee20009 ай бұрын
I mean it was just overperforming, I wouldn't read into it too much. I just hate how they dropped it like that
@weaponisedikeakite8009 ай бұрын
@@GeneralLee2000 I mean come on man you have seen the documents with multiple legit sources (not even the SA Armscor stuff that yourself and your DC servers loved parading around) that showed its actual performance being sent to you by CC's and even the threads you were active on the forums confirming its prior performance basing on the multitude of legitimate sources posted on those threads, I am guessing that is why you say not to look into it? Don't really want people getting its fairly realistic FM back ? People should do legitimate and proper research on vehicles that are not just the gripen and not have people like MIG23M make up false bug reports so things get nerfed.
@neobrandeggen9 ай бұрын
Tbf though, Gajin is and has always and will countinue to stretch the G pulls on all aircraft in the game, in real life you would almost never see a fighter pulling more than max 10 G’s for a split second before it settles into 8 G’s. Something like that ig. In the game the F16 can pull 12 for so long 🤣
@collander77669 ай бұрын
7:37 the RB75 is actually the Swedish designation for the AGM-65A, not the AGM-65B
@Bigflavius9 ай бұрын
Which makes the swedish way less effective with Mavs than the British one since 65B's have like 12km lock while A have at best case scenario 6km
@derritter38739 ай бұрын
They really did drop this patch way too early. And out of nowhere too. It’s really strange and I’m still wondering what rushed them to do this.
@greglee97399 ай бұрын
You forgot the part where they buffed the su 27
@Willemmoseley9 ай бұрын
Super annoying for sim players as you end up slow quite often in dog fights, the only counter to the F16As and Cs was the Gripen but not anymore!
@MeltedMozzy9 ай бұрын
I haven’t felt the change at all.. it’s still a UFO, I was able to win knife fights against some props
@nicolaspeigne14299 ай бұрын
Losing in a rate fight and losing in a dogfight are two different things
@cagedlunatic95919 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure our missiles go for the aircraft not the pilot that's why our missiles crit because people got upset because people were dying in war
@pjayx73209 ай бұрын
They really need to stop this furball type 10 minute matches and limit high tier jets to at least 5v5 if not 4v4. If they keep introducing artificial nerfs to make every modern jet compatible with this ridiculous gameplay we are soon gonna end up with F-22s and Su-57s that turn and bleed energy like an early mirage 3.
@Ghent_Halcyon8 ай бұрын
Yeah, the nerf doesn't suck that much in realistic, but you do not want to fly this thing in arcade, it's like a draken that is able to turn. Basically is sucks balls.
@brodykloster21029 ай бұрын
People not understanding that the gripen was over performing wayyyy too much, it felt like more of a eurofighter than anything, even irl the gripen is the weakest European delta canard fighter, doesn’t mean it’s bad but there’s a reason we got the gripen first
@TheDougsSB9 ай бұрын
Then rendering/spotting is terrible, I literally get players shooting at me with cannons at .4 miles behind me when I'm looking behind me and they remain unrendered
@RogueBeatsARG9 ай бұрын
Gaijin didnt drop the Gripen as it was, they nerfed it but not was realistic
@atriplex60029 ай бұрын
Are you even surprised?... They always hype an aircraft to be the new meta and when you all spent GE on getting it they nerf it... Its all a money trick i really can't believe why you all keep faling for it ☠️
@Serkay649 ай бұрын
RB75s are actually AGM-65As, not Bs
@GeneralLee20009 ай бұрын
Oops
@benbased77409 ай бұрын
Not only does it have great ordinance, the gun shreds MBT's from the side due to powerful APHE round. Sadly mediocre against aircraft.
@iceicebabyil9 ай бұрын
They only pushed the patch out to make room for the winter event and sales they didn’t want to overload players with everything at once nor themselves
@iceicebabyil9 ай бұрын
Just to clarify I understand your complaints I’m just trying to give them an argument for why
@derekturner32726 ай бұрын
Wait till you see how bad the F20 get's nerfed. After all the suckers drop 70$ on the bait and switch.
@Em_Youl6 ай бұрын
still not Nerfed enough!!! Its still fucking broken! It evades every R-27ER like NO OTHER JET INGAME!!!!
@tomsmith72079 ай бұрын
Swedes just can’t get a break. After the ja37d having to deal with mig29s and f16 block c’s forever. Now this.
@JS-bk7bt9 ай бұрын
Real giga chads play the yak141 and the f4
@THERUBBISHPCKID9 ай бұрын
They "buffed" mavs, that is cap, I dropped one top down from my GR7 onto a Tor M1 and all I got was a hit. Not even a crib let alone a kill. So I am sorry but I hard disagree they are next to useless. Especially when running them alongside GBUs increases the chances that cycling through the views to check the laser for the GBU is tracking on your flight outward, will more often than not just muck up the laser and cause a wasted bomb
@TheBuccaneerIsHot7 ай бұрын
And now an Aim9M range and g pull nerf
@emilw96909 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure I read in a devblog that the Swedish Gripen gets AGM-65A, not B. The British Gripen however gets 65B, is my memory serving me wrong or have they changed the loadouts?
@GeneralLee20009 ай бұрын
No you're right, I just got confused lol, my bad
@quan-oh-re22589 ай бұрын
Giagin just cant handle Sweden has a good fighter jet. 0:14
@MeltedMozzy9 ай бұрын
Also can anyone help me figure out why my user skins won’t work with the Gripen & Flanker??? My user skins work for every other vehicle except for my new jets..
@valeredumont50189 ай бұрын
It's realistic, they should remove all the enemy indicator
@rowanyuh63269 ай бұрын
Still waiting for us a-4m ngl
@DerSpeggn9 ай бұрын
Everytime you complain about losing speed you have your afterburner turned off.... Its a delta. Its supposed to loose speed like crazy, pulling high aoa. But with the afterburner on it holds its speed very good still. TWR is almost the same as the Mirage 4000. Better than any of the F16s.
@screwthis31519 ай бұрын
Whats the mod of that Chinese F16 getting sun instead of star in designation?
@seekerpro4869 ай бұрын
So I heard the news );
@IShallRuleTheGuitar19 ай бұрын
What are your graphic settings general?
@pigs20019 ай бұрын
But the Saabists told me it was fully accurate before......
@HarrDarr9 ай бұрын
it was pretty accurate before this change
@SuiSideex9 ай бұрын
So its garbage now or still king of dogfight like its should be ?
@Daemon90009 ай бұрын
It's just happened so fast...
@sukhoifanboi9 ай бұрын
"good sources" XD
@AirsoftFaction9 ай бұрын
This shows the major issue with top tier gameplay.
@batlax189 ай бұрын
Finally! The best rate fighter from this update isn’t a delta wing!
@AvoidGN9 ай бұрын
wow i am so disappointed i thought i was going to be a in general lee video because he killed me in a flat spin for an ace in his game and i was going to be able to say that it was me now that ive watched the gripen video im still sad to say ive never appeared in a single youtubers video.
@GeneralLee20009 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry man, I had a lot of footage :(
@Jack-vl5id9 ай бұрын
If I can do my maneuvers I will be mad
@OneMoreDesu9 ай бұрын
I don't think there should be a spotting system at all.
@Boris_The_Turtle9 ай бұрын
I mean honestly if the spotting system is trash like it is currently then yes. Though the missile diamonds should still exist.
@bingusbobby50129 ай бұрын
As a sim player the mig 29 shouldn’t have been nerfed
@skittlesbutwithchocolatein22749 ай бұрын
also why isn’t the dev server up all the time like in wot
@lurtzy_9 ай бұрын
Why does Gaijin hate every country that isnt a major country? Its like they want people to suffer.
@fenixsortudo19069 ай бұрын
I hope Mirage doesn't get a nerf either, but it has a normal delta performance so...
@general_dude80259 ай бұрын
I'm curious, do you think the f16c should be moved up in br too?
@FXIIBeaver9 ай бұрын
Once AMRAAMs come out yes.
@esanahka92849 ай бұрын
F16C is pretty much the top dog so absolutely
@VisibleToThePublic9 ай бұрын
Gajin got people all excited about a new jet being OP, gave them enough time to spend money and time to “grind” for it, and then nerfed it? Whaaaaaaaat?
@josezuniga49689 ай бұрын
Complaining about spotting range is beta
@GeneralArmchair9 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a version of air RB where enemy nametags are hidden.
@altacc06049 ай бұрын
just play sim
@GeneralArmchair9 ай бұрын
@@altacc0604 no
@altacc06049 ай бұрын
why not
@GeneralArmchair9 ай бұрын
@@altacc0604 because I don't want to play simulator battles. I want to play air RB. I get a taste of no-nametag combat in ground RB, see the light that it's an improvement, and want to see it as a full mode.
@ISO-4209 ай бұрын
what would be better about the C then the A?
@GeneralLee20009 ай бұрын
IRL: HMD, laser guided bombs and a better radar. Ingame now? Just the radar lol. They gave it HMD and LGBs it didn't use.
@ISO-4209 ай бұрын
@@GeneralLee2000 so pretty much.. just gave it everything with the A.
@legendbee95799 ай бұрын
The nerf is bs it’s a delta aircraft that does not turn the f do you mean gaijin? A delta wing that can’t pull aoa what a joke
@TheStig_TG9 ай бұрын
damn this is new
@BufferThunder9 ай бұрын
I dont notice the nerf.
@tobberino9 ай бұрын
It bleeds a lot more speed, more drag
@Ryan-go6id9 ай бұрын
Remember when they just announced that the update was going to be released a day later…just completely out of the blue… I said “hol up wait a min sumn ain’t right!” Meaning they RUSHED the Air Superiority Update BEFORE the Christmas GE sales so everyone would buy GE @ normal prices. Ofc none of the models would be finished but who cares Sneaky Gaijin. Also did they nerf the F16C’s AIM-9M’s? They go stupid and perform worse than 9L’s
@richardcreasey93199 ай бұрын
I would absolutely not be surprised if gaijin is still seething after that boycott in May and is currently just getting back at us by rushing out this update so they could make a boatload of money on the tier 7 premiums. The fact that this was only days before a sale is just such a *chefs kiss* classic gaijin moment. God, what I wouldn't give for this game to actually be in the hands of a company that isn't dogshit.
@NeMayful9 ай бұрын
How are you able to fly at 10K meters and not been shot down by R73ER?
@ferrous32629 ай бұрын
chaff spam probably.
@miles83639 ай бұрын
Wait, how do you even go above the enemies and not get shot down by radar missiles? Please teach us how to be sneaky.🙂
@thatcarguydom2669 ай бұрын
Paid actors
@GeneralLee20009 ай бұрын
I just go a little bit off to the side and use plenty of chaff while notching if people do lock me
@miles83639 ай бұрын
love it thank you@@GeneralLee2000
@Sakki0079 ай бұрын
Oh don't worry it will get nerf even more then this just wait 3 to 4 weeks also Yeah the gun seem to be really random.
@TNTNT209 ай бұрын
So the su27 is top dog like i predicted, typical gayjen to introduce an op jet and have their paid actors showcase it. Wait a few days after the whales have bought it up and then nerf the fuck out of it. They get your money, you get a now useless jet and gayjen walks away laughing. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@suzybean139 ай бұрын
Wassup lee?
@butter_mf9 ай бұрын
gaijin got so butthurt that their poor su27 couldnt beat the j39 in a dogfight so they had to nerf it
@Loudward__9 ай бұрын
L for sweden tbh
@PlayerAfricanChieften9 ай бұрын
Classic
@denbleygv92389 ай бұрын
Worst part is i ge the ace crew. 😑
@SpaceNavy909 ай бұрын
War Thunder moment: "The Gripen is missing AOA, can anyone provide sources for that?" Instead of having a source that tells you something, WT players will come up with an assumption and then try to find sources to backup that up. Insane. Don't believe a myth unless you have credible reasons to believe it in the first place Lee
@williamgunter42689 ай бұрын
Anyone known why the ammo count was reduced?
@jonathonspears77369 ай бұрын
They changed it to the correct ammo count. I looked into it and every source says 120 rounds
@MeWhne9 ай бұрын
Because it only had 120 irl
@GeneralLee20009 ай бұрын
It was incorrect before, it got bug reported
@williamgunter42689 ай бұрын
@@GeneralLee2000 ah ok ty everyone.
@L0K0M0T1V9 ай бұрын
I think it was more that the source said that the E version had 120 rounds so they figured that the C and A probably has that count too.
@carlomendoza61739 ай бұрын
im sad bc i was looking for this jet so much...
@carlomendoza61739 ай бұрын
like i have it spaded, but...that´s what it makes it special, having the ability to sustain turn and speed velocity, being able to actually fight the King F-16A and AJ, but now..its just another mirage with 9ms, and some more flares
@EggSaladSammich9 ай бұрын
Exactly the one fucking thing this jet really excelled at, got taken away from because f15 and su27 cock suckers cried to the devs
@fuahrahn9 ай бұрын
@@carlomendoza6173 Mirage 2k 5f better then all anyway.
@carlomendoza61739 ай бұрын
@@fuahrahn I guess it's another M2K yeah
@Bingusaccount-hr4ys9 ай бұрын
Typical Gaijin behaviour tbh but it did deserve a nerf
@Elbereth_TV9 ай бұрын
it's got Skyflashes, it's already nerfed
@uiop72049 ай бұрын
Got it after the nerf. Still the most ufo plane I've flown.
@AHM13869 ай бұрын
Bro s killing jets with spraying and spaming missile from above and he is crying why he cant spot an enemy that do exact same thing to him😂
@mochabear889 ай бұрын
Gg
@Bombert549 ай бұрын
How are you not getting 27er'd?
@evangalinsky24999 ай бұрын
It's called using your brain.
@Bombert549 ай бұрын
@@evangalinsky2499 im listening
@evangalinsky24999 ай бұрын
@@Bombert54 don't be the first one in, don't get spotted, and if you do, notch and chaff. They'll mostly be paying attention to the rest of your team, so stay away from your team. Come in from an off angle where no one else is. Pretty easy. It's really not a hard concept. Doesn't always work perfectly but that goes for everything.
@Bombert549 ай бұрын
@evangalinsky2499 sometimes even when i fly without afterburner i somehow end up being in front
@evangalinsky24999 ай бұрын
@@Bombert54 so turn around. Fly a different direction.