So.. The Idol Got Cancelled?

[@roses.9181]

The fact that they're making Jocelyn the bad person, makes this show just THAT much more misogynistic

[@salsadip_]

How come? Genuine question

[@animefood0818]

@@salsadip_because she’s a girl

[@faefindingawilltolive]

@salsadip_ because she's being abused and manipulated but now they want to make her the bad guy. it's just weird

[@robin_silas]

​@salsadip_ I mean, if she has really manipulating everyone, it means that everything that happened was kind of her choice or that at least she had some control in those situations. So it diminishes the abuse that she went through but also makes the show sound dummer. Like if she really had control why would she let Tedros beat the shit out of her in the third episode for any other reason other than the shock the audience?

[@Victoria-zs4fq]

@@faefindingawilltolivewhy can’t both be true? Why can’t she be abused while still being manipulative? People who were abused can become abusive. Doesn’t mean that she hasn’t been through hard things or that she doesn’t deserve sympathy. It just shows how abuse can affect someone

[@lounielouna7556]

this show is like a wattpad fanfiction that you'd read at 14 thinking you were cool and then reread it as an adult and question the writers morality.

[@annahmhlarhi3144]

As a once avid Wattpad reader, I support this statement fully lol

[@loversrene6]

this is so real

[@maraguilar42]

exactly 😭😭😭

[@frutilla7739]

As a wattpad reader, yeah, there's probably a fanfic like this written about some popular ship right now on the platform lol

[@sandy-bc2to]

yes yes yes. I saw so many plots from these fanfictions and I was wondering how could have anyone given money to something like this.

[@seekittycat]

"The evil women of the industry is taking advantage of poor narc men and the abusive music industry all along 🥺. Women are the real masterminds." Is...a choice I guess.

[@Victoria-zs4fq]

I think it’s saying Hollywood and the entertainment industry in itself is full of snakes, manipulation, and abuse

[@angelinebena9675]

That’s just plain stupid but I’m looking forward to Nikki’s comment on the finale

[@nont18411]

This plot only works if Jocelyn was a well-written character who is more than just her trauma in the first place. Instead, what we got is that Jocelyn is constantly abused by everyone without any scene of her being a schemer or showing an agency for herself so making her a bad guy makes no sense and it seems like Weeknd and Levinson’s desperate attempt to make Weeknd’s character a poor victim in the end.

[@user-us1ce9cs3s]

Typical men

[@ivealwaysbeenswimming9030]

@@nont18411literally… like from the start their intent was a depiction of a woman in the industry who gets exploited and suffers the abuse from the people around her and the industry. Instead, we have sam shittinson and the weekdays’ shoddy wattpad fifty shades of grey sexual fantasy that both fails to make lasting, meaningful impressions of ANY character in the show, and also exemplifies the very treatment women get, but only through the outside lens of the show itself, in it being glorified pornography that pretends to have plot. The way that sam and the weeknd project their own male sexual fetish fantasies on women and even go so far as to guise what could’ve been the makings of a profound and impactful commentary of the industry into something completely perverted (literally and figuratively) from its purpose is just sad. All the funding this show received must’ve gotten to their heads and at the same time, it is disappointing that it was even allowed the episodes it did. I swear to god this show should’ve been cancelled after the first episode. Like, we truly live in a society and sometimes it makes me sigh with regret. Really just wishing this show never happened honestly

[@Jestereffigy]

What was even funnier was he was on Twitter replying to his haters because they were making fun of his show, only for his show to be cancelled 😭

[@blending_in]

💀 ain't no way

[@Jestereffigy]

@@blending_in Yea he actually retweeted to one of my mutuals and made them go private bc people went to harass them 😭

[@brookendale3611]

they actually did him a favor cancelling the show.

[@kindred42]

Artists of this nature are delusional and arrogant. They will go down with that ship just to save face. No pun intended.

[@cranburrey]

Damn 💀

[@nimbleghostgirl7215]

I want the original NOW. Like at least a summary of the episodes of the original series or something. Just to get an idea of what we COULD'VE had.

[@CallMeSkinny]

Literally! We are not asking for much lol

[@sweetiesenpai2349]

I feel the original plot in lost media sadly :(

[@hellcomplex]

I actually enjoy this show but I get why people feel the way they do about it and hope in the nearby future that the female director who was casted aside revisits this idea in her own art and directive skills. it may be copying the premise of the show and the little plot it has but I honestly wouldn't mind a reboot.

[@CallMeSkinny]

@@hellcomplex you enjoy it? You got some weird brain my dude.

[@agarcia1252]

@@hellcomplexnot trying to be judgy like I’m actually wondering but why do u like the show what about it do you enjoy

[@GB-vw6kr]

I can't believe the Weeknd managed to date Bella Hadid and Selena Gomez when he radiates such cringe lord "daddy's not happy kitten" vibes, embarrassing.

[@Atlasintokyo]

Oh lord god I hope no one dates him again wtf. He's absolutely made himself a write in on this show- it's obvious everything he does on screen is who he rly is not just a character bc he fully defends it and is completely and totally not acting on screen, this is how he acts for award shows, all suave and like he's a badass, but it's super cringy irl bc we know he's not, and on screen it's terrifying bc he chose to write himself to be this character on purpose he bought himself into a show he didn't even write so be could make his fan fic write in of him being a mafia boss cult leader with mommy issues who is so rapey that he made the main character say she likes it so it's normalized so he can in person say "it was ok everyone acting knew it was just a scene" you made her say she likes that ur rapey bro you made this so you could be your true self and lie about it

[@cherrysorrow]

Dumb3ss clearly he wasn't like that in real life

[@TrentvsTheWorld]

@@cherrysorrowgirl he is

[@cherrysorrow]

@@TrentvsTheWorld oh how is that, have you talked to him irl? 😵😵

[@gabiocampos]

Maybe Selena and Bella are actually dumb instead of intelligent like we think 😂

[@flyestvenustrap]

literally watching the idol through you, wayyyy more interesting and entertaining than the actual show 😭

[@zwerver6249]

fr and it keeps us sane before we get brainwashed and start (micro) normalizing lol

[@Evauhh]

SAME LITERALLY

[@girlUinterrupted]

exactly

[@dionnerss]

Everyone should be watching it through youtubers 😭

[@flowersforthedead5182]

Same lol.

[@romelia.]

Wild how 4 outta 5 episodes are out & almost nothing has actually happened 😭

[@nikkicarreon]

Ok literally…

[@colechristensen1909]

LIKE IS THIS WHAT THEY THINK PLOT IS?!?! Before stealing the writer/director gig you’d assume they did so because they had such confidence in their concept. I don’t think they could write a thesis for idol if they tried. I honestly question if they’ve ever watched a series or movie before. Like she said- “weird fever dream” vibes

[@Toywins]

​@ragdaalhamwisome things are so bad, they end up good just for the love of cringe, lmao, this is one of those things.

[@wheretheavocadosat]

omg literally

[@nanathegoat5106]

Bruh this is the part that drives me insane. The movie is directionless. How high were they when they made this?

[@reqiuemformydreams]

The interaction between Destiny and Chloe was my favorite part of the episode. While watching that scene I actually forgot I was watching the idol. Then I quickly became disturbed again.

[@analazovic441]

++

[@reahsahpagel3354]

Destiny is what keeps me wanting to watch the show atp

[@nikkicarreon]

Destiny is SO funny

[@lesbiangoddess290]

​@@nikkicarreonDestiny is my fav. Its always the black women who know what they're talking about when they're in a mess of a show

[@aspyn.j_]

I hate that DaVine Joy Randolph keeps getting cast in shows that get cancelled. She was good in high fidelity but we knew nothing about her. She didn’t even get her own episode. CANCELLED. Now this show. 🙄

[@JNDReacts]

If this were any other show, the premise of Jocelyn secretly being the puppet master this whole time, like Xander seems to imply, would be such a brilliant plot! But I just can’t get over the fact that this was promoted as a story about a woman being taken advantage of in the music industry. And what message does it send if it turns out that that woman has actually been the one manipulating everything from the start? Especially with Sam Levinson and Abel “too much female perspective” Tesfaye as the writers?

[@nikkicarreon]

Absolutely agreed.. idea: good. Execution: BAD. And the deleted exploit scenes that are public info say it all about Sam and Abel’s intentions

[@getschwifty5271]

That is my whole thing. I absolutely LOVE the movie Gone Girl. I thought it was so good & the idea was great, so you'd think Id be excited at the idea/hint of Jocelyn being the manipulative mastermind at the end. But I'm not. I think it all boils down to "great idea, but are Abel & Sam the ones who can properly execute this idea & are they the right ones to bring such a message to us?" Answer: No. Misogynistic men bringing us a premise of the "sad wittle girl" being the real evil is not revolutionary. Its not surprising, its not groundbreaking, it's the bullshit misogynistic idea that all women are these evil bitch harpies.

[@JNDReacts]

@@nikkicarreonwait are these different than the egg one and another one mentioned in the Rolling Stone article?

[@purrgundy]

Look, I love me a good plot twist, I do. But it needs to make sense. Why would Jo manipulate Tedros from the beginning? What would she have had to gain from him? He's been nothing but a lousy sex-crazed rat-tailed and definitely-not-gay club owner. He had no power in the real world, just amongst the cult. If they really wanted to make us believe she was ready to do anything to get inspiration, they should have shown us a desperate artist at the beginning of the show. Instead, they went for the whole "mental illness is sexy" thing, probably forgetting that the broken artist is a trope for a reason. She went through hell and back between her mother, her grief, her mental health... chances are she must be flowing with stories to tell. Maybe she's repressed her problems because she already had an established career in the spotlight and had to forget her humanity to become a performing machine? There are so many interesting options this would open, opportunities to reveal the industrial side of labels (especially having Jennie from BP in your cast), yet the writers on The Idol decide they weren't paid enough for this shit, probably. That, or Abel thought characterisation was too much of a "female perspective" lol

[@seekittycat]

This whole "it was her all along I'm being used" reads too much like narcs twisting the narrative 😐.

[@chocoflan22]

Turning Jocelyn into the manipulator would make no sense because i feel like they are saying “ women don’t actually get manipulated they pretend” and so far they don’t have a good look regarding how they view traumas and women. I bet they are gonna victimize Tedros and act like he thought he was the one in charge when it was actually Jocelyn she was the mastermind. They also had a whole jennie from black pink and missed their chance so bad 😭

[@grumpysphinx4911]

It's the same thing Sam Levinson did with Maddy's character in Euphoria when she was groomed at 14 by an older man. He had a character turn around and say, "Actually she was in control the whole time!" It's so gross

[@LilPrincessZelda]

@@grumpysphinx4911 Sam himself is a predator expressing himself through this shit he puts out. People NEED to stop watching his crap.

[@hotsexyangel]

Real. Except jennie can’t act for shit 😭

[@purrgundy]

Exactly. It's like Levinson has heard about Lolita and watched the movie instead of reading the book.

[@robin_silas]

Bonus points if they make he say that he was actually in love with her and feel betrayed.

[@_rune]

they tried to make these characters so complex but it all just fell flat 😭

[@MileyMonroe-s3z]

really tried to be on the same level as succession

[@AishwaryaSebastian-b2j]

as a traumatised community, we collectively dissociated while watching the idol

[@jessalynsimone]

STOP LOLO 😭😭😭

[@soogabooga]

YES LMAO almost reinstated my trauma 🤣🤣🤣

[@march.286]

this was a fever dream we all have at the same time, and no one will say the opposite

[@shayalynn]

This is why I ignored all the rave about the release and kind of forgot about it. I’m so glad I didn’t watch it because it is traumatizing.. the only good thing to come out of this is Lily Depp and her acting skills. She deserves better!

[@CJ-simeonxsick]

I’m actually terrified at what the 6th episode could possibly be

[@SocialExperiment232]

Im thinking he probably wrote a scene of an entire concert arena taking turns to have sex with joselyn on stage the way he was acting like he wanted to exploit her sexuality to everyone and the weird fetish he had of doing things to her in public. But that might be too tame for him idk.

[@kiddlorenz7582]

the original plan for The Idol series under Amy Seimer was to be 6 episodes but then Sam Levinson took over the show. Sam's original plan from the very beginning under his direction is to just have 5 episodes hence why he reshot many scenes

[@getschwifty5271]

​@@kiddlorenz7582yeah but then what was the point of waiting until 2nd to last episode to reveal its been 5 episodes all along? You have all these people watching the show & finally getting into it with ep4 only to be told theres one episode left? Its a mess

[@cranburrey]

@@SocialExperiment232 I’m not surprised tbh. Ofc Sam Levinson would come up with that idea

[@kiddlorenz7582]

@@getschwifty5271 that i don't know BUT the show was actually listed as a five-episode series when it went to Cannes this year

[@davidci]

Surprised it was even made to begin with. It was bound to be a disaster ever since Sam and the Weekend took over the original female director's vision because 'it had too much of the female perspective'

[@sweetiesenpai2349]

The weekend showing his true color before took over the female director who her original plot as better

[@carolitoffana]

Can we make a petition for a spin off with Destiny? She's holding this show on her back, please HBO give this queen her moment

[@parisaha]

Yes! I want the back story on how her and Chaim met Jocelyn and would commit acts of murder together. It could be the Better Call Saul to Breaking Bad.

[@Willow-cw9te]

But it should be directed by the other director

[@Mimi-zm9ry]

But she's just little less cringe than other characters. Not interesting, she is not that charismatic or memorable.

[@QueenKunta]

Da’Vine Randolph is just great in everything I’ve seen her in: Only Murders in the Building, People of Earth, and this trash bag of a show.

[@cosmicmoonpie1857]

just kill all of the show and make another better show with zero affiliation to this lol

[@Clustergeist]

I'm so confused how they made the cult leader human while they have a 17 year old member and trying to frame the main character as this complex evil villain wtf 😂😂 this was such a mess hbo has no excuse for letting this crap in a bag passed there desk

[@nont18411]

Sam Levinson will never let evil men be villains. Just look at his huge effort to humanize Nate Jacobs.

[@Clustergeist]

@@nont18411 when I think of Nate, I think of any good villain (not to say that he is a good villain, because in all honesty, his character development was really shotty ) they have a really nasty origin story and that story contributes to why they are such an evil person and it gives you a small amounts of sympathy. And the small amount of sympathy it’s not big enough or sad enough to excuse the fact that they’re a bad person it just adds to their character and makes them feel real for some reason they tried to paint the weekend as this complex character near the end in this one episode, the fact there was no build up to this character in the possibility of them having a complex backstory at any point in the last five episodes (or the five episodes I’ve watched through people) I haven’t felt any sympathy for this man. Which is the key to this character development trick, every time I hear anything about him or any snippets from the show I’m just disgusted and appalled and kind of annoyed. It’s unreal that he’s that bad of an actor, that the character itself is one dimensional and I don’t even know how you do that. I just found this really frustrating because if there was another actor in his position, then I think the character would’ve developed a lot more the storyline would still be crap but Id feel some thing for this character, but the fact is that he’s giving me nothing. The entire time I’ve just watch the weekend in a bad wig give me the weekend delivering stale lines and it’s gross.

[@Mimi-zm9ry]

Also they showed 17 y.o Chloe naked. Disgusting. Idk why this men so addicted to child porn

[@XIAO-j9o]

I thought Dyanne was the villain.

[@nathanielpeter7247]

That's what i was saying, Soo diddy like.

[@salequinha]

i cant believe she literally says "i dont wanna decide things for myself" in a song like just straight to the point

[@bastetowl3258]

the show really hit you over the head with its themes. no subtlety and clumsy execution

[@belencita9526]

Exactly lol

[@katjau_]

Also the cringe The Weeknd songs on the soundtrack are so literal, a sad few weeks for art ngl

[@felipesantiagolucas]

This lyrics reminds me of Aaliyah's song "Age Ain't Nothing But A Number" written by R. Kelly

[@KaiaKooking]

Sing don’t tell

[@Silencex84]

Destiny and Chaim have the best chemistry in the entire show Deadass, I would watch a show with those two as the lead characters.

[@kafkaisnotdead]

Maybe about the days when they did kill someone 😅👀

[@pavneet05]

yesss bc they reference it a couple episodes back too when chaim asks destiny to hand him a gun (the first time Leia mentions Tedros)

[@peepo2560]

And now Da’Vine Joy Randolph has an Oscar!

[@User-r5t3s]

I feel like sam levinson and the weeknd just put all the stuff and fetishes they wanted then tried to create a story around it, very wattpad story vibe wrote by a teen going through puberty 💀

[@Veryverybored98]

I’ve read wattpad stories that are better than this 😭

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Nah wattpad is an improvement over this

[@Glowskel]

It bothers me that they wanna erase Jocelyn as a victim and make her some manipulative villain. It’s just a bit concerning coming from men who’ve repeatedly objectified women and their suffering to write the plot line “oh actually she’s not a victim!! She’s the one in control and she’s lying to you all :)”

[@angxl2023]

As a Brazilian, i can definitely say that "at least someone is coming to Brazil" is the most underrated thing u ever said 😭😭

[@michelcomenta]

sim 😂😂 não vou rir com ks porque eles vão pensar que eu sou um supremacista branco

[@nabalhapalha]

sim mano skakskaks rachei o bico

[@giulinhagameplays]

simmmkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@lailaauto33]

KKKKKKKKKKQUE ODIO

[@angxl2023]

@@lailaauto33 difícil né amg 😔

[@nehalilisays]

So, they wanna portray Jocelyn as the "bad girl" who just plays victim to get what she wants? But how do the hairbrush scenes fit into that? And if all that "inspiration" she gained from Tedros was all worth it, then where's the good music or smart image change? I think the other cult members and their experiences could actually serve as an artistic inspiration & I guess they have to get rid of Tedros somehow - but how are they gonna make the whole story work within the last episode? So far I think the main weakness of this show is just this whole Tedros guy - badly written and badly acted...

[@Boxxxxxxxxx]

That show was atrocious. They all embarrassed themselves and I'm fully satisfied with their demise for putting out such degenrate garbage.

[@mokgethwamoraka6941]

I feel bad for the actors cause it was too late to leave by the time the Weeknd and Sam Levison took over

[@JNDReacts]

And to no one’s surprise, Sam Levinson managed to sneak a naked, underaged character into this show that’s supposed to be about adults. Edit to add: Nikki perfectly articulated what I’m talking about from 7:12 to 8:03

[@universal1771]

Are you serious how? Don't they verify age before they do any nude scene. Where were the parents.

[@jean-baptistegrenouille1431]

​@@universal1771the character is underage, I don't think the actress is

[@jean-baptistegrenouille1431]

And it's still f*cked up

[@milkflavored]

Sadly Im sure this stuff goes on all the time in Hollywood -- Abel and Sam are so out of touch, they think the rest of us would be cool with it

[@SophiHan02]

@@universal1771I think they mean though the actor was an adult she played a minor in the show. It was revealed in episode 4 or 5 I think? The blonde girl that’s always naked in tedros’ gang says she’s 17

[@uniquenewyork3325]

Ain't no way they made the same character they had dancing around naked in a pool 17 yrs old 😭 it's bad enough she acts 12 but making her a whole minor on top of it is crazy. Sam Levinson core!

[@cosmicbodyguards4285]

Jealous Guy is originally written and sung by John Lennon of the Beatles. The Weekend copied it word for word and beat for beat. He wrote it for Yoko Ono after he had humiliated her due to his jealousy during a photo shoot they did together. He felt like the male photographer was encroaching on Yoko & so to assert his dominance he put his hand down Yoko’s bra and held her breast during a photo. He felt like actual scum afterwards when he saw the emotional effect it had on his beloved wife. Fun fact.

[@violetgc6049]

Thank you! I didn't feel comfortable letting people think The Weeknd wrote that iconic song, but I was also too lazy to write what you just wrote.

[@Dham_Pyra]

Dude its called a cover....

[@macercan]

I mean he credits John Lennon for the song which he can do

[@ottiliemurrell7162]

I’m glad he had a measure of self awareness, because sexually assaulting your wife in public out of-well, out of literally anything IS fucking scummy.

[@wtfamiwatching3650]

Hey queen! That's actually called a cover!

[@SailorPearl-z8l]

“And his legs look really tiny” why was that so hilarious I literally cackled

[@spenx09]

So, it's LA and they can't find two women who actually speak Spanish? Nobody realized that "complexa" is not a Spanish word? (Not that it's the show's worst sin, but it irks mw how careless they are with these things)

[@solfh]

HAAHHAAH THIS WAS BEYOND DMB… very non surprising from US sht

[@lel261]

Was literally thinking this

[@goated3285]

The fact that Selena Gomez team has came out & said that the weekend used intimate conversations she shared with him on this show was enough for me. And he sounds like a illegitimate child of Michael Jackson & Prince but CRYING🤣 I can NO LONGER take his cringe lyrics like “I’m Sorry God I Made You Cry” The creator of euphoria has & forever will be a weirdo in my book & im so glad I avoided euphoria like it was Covid 😩💀

[@cwahlb1]

omg what conversations??

[@michelcomenta]

of course he did! he can't get over the fact that Selena dumped him, it's so embarrassing

[@trashbaby9000]

Source? I can only find people speculating that it’s about her.

[@jemiialii]

Selena Gomez’s team?? Are you sure it’s not her toxic fanbase spreading that rumour? 🤨 also, I didn’t know Selena was the ONLY person allowed to have mental health issues and wear a hospital bracelet. This is such a far reach.

[@goddessofwar94]

For the record, the song The Weeknd sings this episode is a cover of John Lennon’s “Jealous Guy”

[@believe.receive]

All things aside, I think the scene with Destiny telling Jos that Tedros is abusive and her making excuses for him is really powerful. It's word for word all of the things an enamoured partner would say about their significant other when confronted with such information, from the "crazy ex" to the "self-defense" and "kinda choked by accident". And she made it so convincing too. Lily Rose is an amazing actress.

[@NatBKyiv]

But they flushed it down the toilet, because now Jocelyn is a mastermind manipulator. So she knew about things he done and she knew it was true

[@cosmickinks]

I thought it was all incredible and think ppl are only outraged bc msm is telling them to be. The weekend straight up exposed how Hollywood makes a star. They traumatize them to profit off them. He said to Izaak while tasing him "you're a star not a human"

[@angelashinner]

I just wanted to say Sam is actually around 5’11. Idk why they said in that one article that he’s 5’3 😭😭but if that was true he would’ve been a baby next to all women but he’s taller than Zendaya who is a very tall woman.

[@nikkicarreon]

LMAO I was thinking damn he’s short as hell but even if it was the incorrect height I thought it would be funny af to say he’s 5’3 LOL

[@uepa4986]

Hes the same heigth as zendaya tho

[@angelashinner]

@@uepa4986 he’s not 5’3. That’s all of my point

[@hotfudgecake]

I bet the weekend is 5'3

[@AmyB369]

He has small man energy

[@slaphappybullet]

You mean to tell me there was NO WAY Johnny Depp’s daughter couldn’t find a way to drop this project? Idk I feel like she’s been getting a pass as an actress just doing her job, buuutt she had more ability than anyone there to walk away from it at any point. I’m just putting myself in the position of acting those scenes out…. I would have done all I could to jump ship.

[@Ruby-xk8kn]

Her dad is a rapist and a violent abuser so i do feel bad for her because its been normalised to her.

[@Bluebooty]

@@Ruby-xk8knyeah i was gonna say if jocelyn is portrayed as the bad guy for…reacting to horrific abuse oh boy that sounds familiar

[@material-cheshirekhatter2413]

when did Johnny r8pe anybody? amber was the abuser.

[@Ruby-xk8kn]

@@material-cheshirekhatter2413 no she wasnt. Johnny depp is a rapist, an abuser both phyiscally and mentally, a racist, and a violent man. Amber was his victim. Sadly people like you were manipulated by his paid for bot driven disinformation campaign. Time you did some real reaearch, i recommend the deppdelusion subreddit if you are willing to unlearn the lies and narrative fed to you. I dont even blame you for not knowing because the propaganda was insane, but now you do know so get up to date unless you want to be on the wrong side of history.

[@Ruby-xk8kn]

@@Bluebooty im so relieved to know other people can see this now, so much damage to victims of dv was done with that goddamn case, i will honestly never fogive the public for how they treated Amber.

[@frankenfurterr3432]

they really want us to feel bad for tedros 💀men and their audacity

[@youyeedyourlasthaw]

their plan to kill tedrose would've had me watching this show honestly

[@youyeedyourlasthaw]

if sam was smart enough to have written that, i might respect him. (no i wouldn't)

[@ukonnokia]

This whole show has made me question everything about the Weekends music. Like has it always been that on the nose and simple?

[@ithoughtiwouldbeunderstood7050]

RIGHT

[@tamiadixon8312]

Exactly 😩😩

[@bettyspot]

Yes

[@AmyB369]

It’s mediocre

[@chickensalad3535]

​@@AmyB369Okay this is just untrue.

[@Qtopian]

I know it’s misogynistic that jocelyn is being portrayed as the bad guy now but im kind of glad that she’s somewhat in control and i laughed so hard when she brought her ex over and ruined tedros self esteem.

[@jessicamaridel6273]

bro the weekend’s evolution with his music is such a good story abt how he once was a “fuck boy” who was abusing drugs and letting the fame an attention get to him, but then overcoming that and trying to become a better person. my boi absolutely back tracked that whole storyline with this fuck ass show. how is he not embarrassed ☹️

[@fionaWhatever]

Lily Rose-Depps commentary also seems to indicate that they really want to spread the message across that abuse is apparently inspirational for art which is fucked up on SO many levels. I thought before that they were just using the line to give Tedros a reason to abuse her (not that he needed one) but with the plot twist they really seem to believe it?? I just....i cannot. This Show belongs into the trash and taken off of every platform.

[@BohemianKitsch]

Tedros' reaction to Jocelyn and Rob makes PERFECT sense. he's deeply threatened by ANYONE who could hold any sway over Jocelyn. it's a threat to his power and his sense of self. that's textbook narcissism. he's not emotion because he has deep feelings; he's emotional because his ego is fragile and needs constant validation

[@nikkicarreon]

While I do partially agree with this, because of Tedros’ past ( he literally t*rtured his ex & was pimping other women ) it doesn’t make sense with his character, he is VERY violent and with the cult dynamic there is no way this would’ve slided. It doesn’t make sense with HIM specifically

[@violetgc6049]

No we all get that. What Nikki is saying, and I agree with her, is: WHY is Tedros acting so damn WEAK in the face of Joss being behind that locked bedroom door with her ex? With his history of violence and unhinged-ed-ness, you'd think Tedros would have gone full Shining with an axe on that door. "Heeeeeeere's TEDROS!" Instead, he's sitting crisscross applesauce in the hallway, whimpering and pouting under the towering purple majesty of a Prince painting, which shames him from above. This...this is not how we have been made to see Tedros. This is the character zagging suddenly when he should have zigged.

[@Victoria-zs4fq]

⁠@@violetgc6049because he can’t cross that line with her. He knows that the moment he takes his rage out on her the way he has with others, he will be gone. This is his only chance to be in the industry and get famous. He wants to be someone iconic like Prince but has no talent so Jocelyn is the closest he can get to achieving that. He’s upset because he can’t do anything

[@floating_couch]

What didn't make sense was how he was showing it. The acting didn't portray someone threatened and lost but someone sad and dejected, even almost heartbroken. Such a strange change to his character

[@BohemianKitsch]

@@nikkicarreon ah. yeah, that makes sense to me. that didn't fully click at first, probably bc i haven't watched any of the episodes. i just enjoy these reviews. :) i still think it's within character for him to respond the such fragility, but it would have to be followed up by some form of retaliatory action.

[@milkflavored]

As much as I agree with everything we're saying about Sam and this production, the way people are surprised tells me they never watched Assassination Nation. I figured once Euphoria was everywhere, at least some people would check Sam's receipts?? AN is takes place in a high school setting as well. Chloe could literally be the fifth girlie of the crew. We let it get out of hand bc we respect the actors Sam casts, but his writing is dog shit. Style over substance, but the style is modern Terry Richardson.

[@addisonb.1356]

Dude yesss I watched that movie forever ago and I was so surprised they let who ever wrote that movie direct and write a show that was starring zendaya?! Cause that movie was so trash

[@Maya.0114]

Assassination Nation is the reason why I have absolutely no interest in watching euphoria, I couldn’t get through the first ten minutes of that movie 😭

[@yveltalsea]

I feel like its the same for Deftones and Nine Inch Nails. Yes, the songs are sexual and passionate and dramatic, at the same time, it's emotional, powerful, and most importantly, not actual sex noises??

[@yveltalsea]

Not to mention the actual deeper meanings in deftones and NiN songs that are about more than just sex and love, with lust being the forefront for the song while the actual meaning is something deeper, like loss, addiction, etc.

[@5050TM]

If they wanted a sex noises example that's good it would be Garbage - Crush.

[@soledesertion]

@@5050TM i love Garbage! it’s actually #1 Crush not just Crush

[@s1lent.h1llz]

The show sucks tbh, it def had potential but from what I'm seeing it flopped hard. The idea behind it was good in a sense, def could've been executed better.

[@JDMimeTHEFIRST]

“You don’t just shock someone’s nuts and just walk away” 😅. That says it all

[@Silkenchérie]

If you look at Sam’s other works ( assassination nation, euphoria, and this)there’s a very common theme of sexualising minors in such unnecessary ways it’s genuinely weird

[@smurph13]

Never in a million years would I have thought Deftones were a musical influence on The Weeknd for this show. With the sex moans being so in your face it's more like, Rob/White Zombie.

[@xafilmbyx]

Don’t do rob zombie like that man

[@smurph13]

@@xafilmbyx lol fair. I enjoy em both, tbf. Just thought it was a weird remark from Abel because I can't think of a single Deftones track that includes moaning. But the long intro to "More Human Than Human," (idk what version it might be because the YT vid doesn't include it, but a local rock station plays it pretty often) well.. both are awesome bands regardless!

[@lilji8749]

Tendros looking at Prince could be foreshadowing a moment. Prince passed away from a fentanyl overdose, and in previous episodes, xander said all the coke in LA has fentanyl. Tendros might die....

[@nehalilisays]

My guess: Someone's gonna poison him and make it look like an accident / drug overdose. If they really wanna turn Jocelyn into the "master manipulator" / "true villain" then she's either gonna do it or make someone else do it while pretending to be the victim of another tragedy in her life ... If they really do it kinda like that then it would just be another "woman sexy, woman evil" kind of toxic male fantasy 🙄

[@meghansullivan6812]

Oh shitttttttttt I wouldn’t be surprised if ur right!

[@goated3285]

Don’t compare Prince to that thing call Tendros 😂

[@copyrightstrike6949]

Oh noooo😐

[@hotfudgecake]

Hopefully

[@CatEyedGoddess]

The most impressive thing is you managed to make it this far into the series. I couldn’t make it through the first episode. My brain was being tortured so I had to stop.

[@vloonr]

honestly destiny and chaim are probably the most interesting characters in this entire show 💀

[@lini6422]

tedros crying actually made my entire day when i watched ep 4

[@brooklynbuglet]

let's be real. I love Destiny and Chaim and I really wish they had focused on their story instead of Jocelyn because they are badass

[@-Desire]

The one thing The Idol did for me was introduce me to this channel and show me how unserious Chihuahua Rat tail is

[@s_hedgehog77]

“Chihuahua Rat Tail” IM WHEEZING 💀💀

[@piapress2959]

YAY! I don't have to deal with how gross and creepy The Weekend is.

[@princessfetus]

The weekend cannot be 5’8 he looks 5’5…

[@elainascott7496]

This show is SO painful to watch. And the sad thing is, they could have made a really good story out of this idea but no... just WAY too much of Tedros, who is literally the most unappealing character I think I've ever seen on a TV show, lol. They could have made a really engaging and interesting drama about abuse and exploitation from her mother and her team. But know, that wasn't putting enough attention on Abel. SO pathetic.

[@annapreble]

I'm sorry if someone already pointed this out but John Lennon originally wrote and recorded "Jealous Guy". After I learned how abusive he was I only heard the wife beater speaking, and this has not been a love ballad since. Thanks for the reviews!

[@peggy7744]

yeah same. It used to be a good song, though

[@ThatRandomBeatle]

Not 100% sure but Jealous Guy might be for Paul McCartney? Always read Cynthia Lennon’s book she deserved so much better.

[@octopoe4064]

saw the title and started jumping for joy

[@maratesfaye]

it strikes me so hard when people call half of joss’s songs bad because it’s not actually her singing but it’s Ramsey which is one of my favorite artists and her music is usually that “sulky” & it’s amazing! btw she’s seen at 15:13 for example, the one with the black hair & big lips

[@nikkicarreon]

I actually loved the way she sings but I don’t like the excessive moaning lol

[@maratesfaye]

@@nikkicarreon absolutely understandable, they forced my girl to do a lot of extra shit 😂 for example joss’s “world class sinner” remix was entirely Ramsey singing it, just nobody realizes it’s not LRD. she’s also on the “i don’t wanna decide things for myself” track

[@ew4645]

Wait that’s the same Ramsey who sang that beautiful “Goodbye” track in Arcane?! They doing her talent disservice here

[@maratesfaye]

@@ew4645 yes that’s her! it’s insane lol but at least she’s getting her coin 😭

[@multinsomnia5455]

Ikr Ramsey deserves more credits and recognition

[@jilla8503]

The sheer waste of $$$ that this shit show has wasted amazes me fr. I’ve been literally hate watching this show bc it’s so ridiculous and creepy but I only have 1 episode left so I need to see the ending ❤

[@sunshinegirl6854]

netflix should hire the original writer to make her version. just use different name.

[@mawmaw4410]

@@LordTitus7most intelligent idol fan

[@takamikeigo7985]

@@LordTitus7 would still be much much better than the idol tbh

[@noriii]

@@LordTitus7ohh that’s who you are okay. the gym stuff makes sense now.

[@4Joey]

I feel you on the Deftones inclusion. 😭 Abel can shove it for playing My Own Summer over this mess.

[@ziqqyziqqy]

how much more of this do we need until we realize sam’s works just aren’t shit

[@lunax3948]

IT'S GETTING CANCELLED! HALLELUJAH !!!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@briannagale2137]

Jennie looks so genuinely uncomfortable, at this point idk if she was even acting or if she was just contemplating what led her to this point.

[@nehalilisays]

Yesss! I mean, she was supposed to look overwhelmed in the scene with the record label - but: Where is the chemistry that indicates that she was/is Tedros' lover?

[@hotfudgecake]

​@@nehalilisaysshe's not a v great actress..

[@nyygabs]

@@MaryamNur-r3kI think she signed on before he took the script, same with Lily

[@MosesSuppose]

Thank you Nikki for suffering through this trashfire so I don’t have to

[@lightandtheweight]

Your editing skills and general disposition towards the show is what the internet needs most 💜

[@Atlasintokyo]

Today is a good day guys, this news made my day better fr I'm so happy that ONE episode isn't out but I wish they never even turned on a camera 🎉

[@fadimoroka3033]

I just hate how much potential was wasted in this show, I wish they never changed the director because some of the scenes in the show were actually pretty good like the scene were Jocelyn is breaking down doing the music video, Lily did a great job there. Now if there was MORE of that, It could’ve been something *sigh 😔

[@LucyWilska]

My Wattpad stories written in middle school had more consistency than this, and yet they cost me ZERO dollars.

[@Afnanalive]

Troye Sivan is slaying, his acting is the best between them all

[@michelcomenta]

ikr hope Hollywood gives him good roles after that show

[@fieb7840]

Yeah! He is really good, unlike the others

[@bugaboobebe]

I’ve been waiting for this one, turn it up ! In all seriousness, I’ve been thirsting for content from you :) I think you’re literally so AMAZING, thank u for everything nikki

[@marianrosarywarrior]

Nobody seems to realize Jealous Guy isn't a Weekend song. It was written by John Lennon.

[@goated3285]

Well he should have left it with John 😂🤷🏽

[@goddessofwar94]

Well most of the people (i.e., Gen Z) watching this probably aren’t familiar with John Lennon’s music lol. Yeah, The Weeknd should not have covered it

[@eveningwhisk7736]

It’s crazy to think when there’s the MeToo movement and mental health awareness a show like The Idol got accepted by editors.

[@zeynepeceaslan2419]

im really liking this new angle where nikki has to lowkey bend down a little bit to talk to us it makes me feel like a child getting told something very important

[@loupiote2315]

I've seen people who worked on the show saying there was always supposed to be 5 episodes, they probably announced an imaginary 6th one just to cancel it for clout and shock factor

[@goated3285]

This is under rated 😂

[@peoplecallmetweety]

I gave up watching after episode 3 but I appreciate your sacrifice for us. I'm so pissed that every time Abel's songs come on I cringe and hear 'I ain't gay' 😄

[@noone-gf5op]

5:10 bro. BRUH. the fact her song literally goes "I don't wanna decide things on my own"☠☠ yo, I can smell Abel's female fantasy all over this line. bro literally have her sing his whole ass fetish of a woman. a little too on the nose dude

[@roxy.4217]

idk how to explain it but the idol is basically like that one episode of bojack horseman where they completely rewrote a perfectly good show and made it into the bojack horseman show

[@jho_se2274]

This feels like an wattapp story that i would wrote when i was 12 years old 💀

[@stella.111]

LMFAOOO

[@diymimy]

I literally watched the last 3 videos about the idol today and there is a new one... this turned into an obsession for me lol

[@sjworrier0613]

I love the commentary videos hate the show. I think the commentary is getting more views than the show 😂

[@AmyB369]

Seriously! This show is so stupid and boring it’s unwatchable but the commentary is entertaining

[@SUNSETAVENUE-vs5io]

You saved me from actually wasting time on this show, thank you 🤣🤣🤣

[@Loudshark_]

i think its funny that Tedros stared at a Prince painting not knowing Prince's long history of sexual abuse and grooming young women

[@valeskacanas9187]

This. And I do like Prince's music but like Drake he met under-age girls offered them stardom and waited till they were of age before he made a move. He started talking to his first wife at 15 and was made her guardian at 18 years old. There's so much more women and stories...to much to list.

[@catarinawz]

"At least someone is finally coming to Brazil" OMG I LAUGHED SO HARD I'm brazilian and that made me truly laugh. Anyways, how HBO let this happen? It's so terrible

[@bsm_pnglololol]

The way I gasped and jumped inside when I saw this, honestly would've loved to see more to make fun of it tho, you should rate more series and movies!

[@mateeeeeo]

I almost had an allergic reaction when I saw the my own summer scene. I've never had music ruined for me until now

[@emmahernandez795]

you’re literally my absolute fav to watch review/commentate on this show, so funny everytime, so silly love the graphics just MWAH PERFECT

[@shotaaizawaslay]

I feel like the director curiously gets a kick out of presenting female victims of abuse as the actually controlling abusive ones abusing men for their own goods. Bizarre because he did the same for Euphoria about a teen having sex with adults and portraying it as if she was the abuser ??? Fishy I think that this guy wants so bad to show how victim of abuse, particularly very young or underage women (while being actually abusive or not towards another person) are always controlling manipulative people and it always negate their traumas I guess. Seems like self report to me.

[@Channie99]

I’m waiting for the tedros halloween costumes I’m not even lying that man pops out of nowhere in all these episodes😭😭😭

[@thevcountdown9824]

LMAO

[@lightandtheweight]

I just can’t get over how bad the show is in proportion to the vehement defense of some folks 😂 like it’s very clearly trash calling from inside the house as you say, defending the show in any way is kinda embarrassing.

[@seagurll]

the sounds Tedros makes in sync with the karate chop are killing meeeee 😭😩

[@sootekken]

Every single line of dialogue I’ve heard from this show sounds like either the writers have no idea how actual people talk, or none of these actors know how to deliver lines naturally 😭😭

[@Thalvia]

I honestly just really appreciate your perspective of things going on in the idol, there are definitely shows I won't watch due to them being needlessly creepy or intensely abusive, but that leads me to never analyzing something or understanding why I find it bad or cruel. Thank you !!

[@LaylaCastro-et8wl]

I love your content. You never fail to make me laugh and your account is so comforting.

[@LilPrincessZelda]

I loved listening to the weekend but now the sound of his voice makes my skin crawl

[@chelseangungu1231]

girl thank u for watching this show for us because there’s literally no way i could’ve

[@denjism]

fr like i could NOT have watched ts on my own

[@eggburt6169]

my saving grace my shining star, i called out for pure sweet escapism and whoever listened delivered me nikki in my time of crisis, i am blessed afterall

[@ShrxyaM]

If they end up doing the Jocelyn was the bad guy all along, it gives like then i woke up from my dream ending that we used as middle schoolers .

[@Ollllllllb]

I think that Rob for Joseline is the reason to show Tedros who’s really in charge and how he can’t control her

[@toriyt2714]

So whole time he was plotting something on her according to the storyline but now he actually cares about her and is hurt?

[@Victoria-zs4fq]

@@toriyt2714 no he’s just upset he isn’t controlling Jocelyn like he thought

[@toriyt2714]

@@Victoria-zs4fq yea but based on the show up until this point that isn’t how he shows he’s upset??

[@Victoria-zs4fq]

@@toriyt2714 he can’t hurt Jocelyn to the extent he has others because he knows he would lose any access he has to her. If he losses her, his chance at fame and the music industry would be gone. So yeah he probably is mad but hes crying and emotional because he hates that he can’t do anything about. People who try to control others often act that way because they grew up in an environment where they had no control. So that feeling of being powerless is probably triggering. But it’s like his character is a pos so it’s good that he’s upset because he deserves to he

[@Clustergeist]

Destiny is the true genius in the story. Kill him off. Best choice for the entire storyline

[@violetgc6049]

Maybe with some fentanyl-laced coke, the kind that was mentioned earlier on in the show? The kind Tedros never gets, but maybe Destiny will magically source some for him?

[@limeadel303]

keep this up!!! so many ppl are tlaking about the idol yet u still manage to bring a rlly fresh perspective. ur gonna blow up soon